In this episode of Spoken Earth, Adam Weymouth discusses overpopulation with Betsy Hartmann, who argues that blaming the planet's problems on overpopulation is not only a fallacy, but a racist one that plays into the hands of the far right.

Betsy Hartmann is professor emerita of development studies at Hampshire College in the US. She is the author of The America Syndrome: Apocalypse, War and Our Call to Greatness and the feminist classic Reproductive Rights and Wrongs: The Global Politics of Population Control, as well as two political thrillers about the far right. She has long worked at the intersections of population, migration, environment, and security, and has spent much of her career attempting to debunk arguments that use overpopulation to explain climate change, poverty, the loss of biodiversity, and much else besides. In this wide ranging conversation we explore reproductive rights, migration, racism, and America's vision of the coming Apocalypse.

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Interviewer: Adam Weymouth www.adamweymouth.comProducer and musician: Ulli Mattsson www.ullimattsson.com

Further reading:http://betsyhartmann.com/https://sites.hampshire.edu/popdev/Reproductive Rights & Wrongs https://betsyhartmann.com/reproductive-rights-and-wrongs/Population Control: Birth of an ideology https://www.jstor.org/stable/45130847Threats and burdens: Challenging scarcity-driven narratives of “overpopulation” https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0016718518302458