Max Ajl is an agrarian sociologist. He is an associated researcher with the Tunisian Observatory for Food Sovereignty and the Environment, where he currently lives, and a postdoctoral fellow with the Rural Sociology Group at Wageningen University. As well as a frequent contributor to journals, he is author of the 2021 book A People's Green New Deal. In it, he explores the wave of Green New Deals that are currently sweeping politics, and he looks at how far those deals fall from a true eco-socialism. Only eco-socialism, Ajl argues, can provide the sort of justice and equality that is needed to ensure a healthy future for the planet and all of its people.

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