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and more about moral ago in what exactly

4:13

was in trump's possession according to according may

4:15

tenth letter to trump lawyers from the national archives

4:18

from try to delay the up the as review of the records

4:21

he turned over january there were seven

4:23

hundred pages are classified documents in his possession

4:26

in some of them contained what a source

4:29

told the washington post where quotes the

4:31

most sensitive secrets we hold i

4:35

smile at first i

4:37

just got asked

4:38

who among among us has it misplaced

4:40

seven hundred classified documents

4:42

i mean can who among us hasn't

4:45

taken the nuclear football home because

4:47

you had to do some work later and

4:50

a man

4:51

this is an easy mistake to make

4:55

the be sick of it i'd use yes

4:57

if you go home you're watching jeanine

4:59

pirro you might have to launch a tactical

5:02

nice your strikes the you have to have you thought about

5:04

your i had it with yeah

5:05

i mean it's a work from home at

5:07

w's sh spray

5:10

not wtf w sh

5:13

in

5:15

terms of a potential criminal prosecutions

5:18

as we look as if a letter ah help

5:21

us understand what's more significant the

5:24

amount of documents the types of secrets

5:26

how to the document or the fact that it appears

5:28

that trump lawyers a lied about

5:31

having the documents to begin with

5:33

maybe none of that right

5:35

so one an interesting twist

5:38

i'm gonna say his own of the things

5:40

i thought was really revealing about

5:42

this letter and and again the idea that

5:44

the trump people wanted this letter out in public

5:46

is literally baffling to me because

5:49

i think it's incredibly damaging for the former

5:51

president but one of the things the letter

5:53

documents and makes quite clear is that

5:55

there was this constant back and forth

5:57

with the former administration about that

6:00

hearn of the document whether the documents

6:02

in fact we're privileged who held

6:04

the privilege and the picture

6:06

that you get coming out of this

6:08

is that there is almost a

6:11

will fall and intentional

6:13

effort to keep the document out

6:16

of the hands of the national archives to not returned

6:18

them and if you think about some

6:21

of the statutory predicates

6:23

that were identified in that search

6:25

warrant for mara lago among them

6:27

is the espionage act n

6:29

one of the elements of the espionage act

6:32

is will fully refusing

6:34

to turn over documents that

6:37

are sensitive to the national security

6:39

and it's just a lot of what you see

6:41

documented in this letter seems to

6:43

be about willful intentional

6:46

purpose fall retention

6:48

of sensitive item

6:50

we've been debating back and forth on the show for

6:52

the last two weeks about why

6:54

trump might have wanted these documents

6:56

he is not someone who is known to

6:59

hear about policy he

7:01

famously did not read his

7:03

briefings classified or otherwise there is events

7:06

from anecdotes and some of these books a he preferred

7:08

pictures and over words

7:11

in a sacraments been a little january

7:13

and you have to death is an assist

7:15

right in today's meme economy though be

7:17

a much of the easy and much more efficient way

7:19

to gets president's free stuff on various

7:22

very simple

7:22

get the constitution just be guess

7:24

down

7:25

but that's right do

7:27

you do you ever theory

7:29

a been about why he might have wanted

7:31

these arm anything you have gotten from

7:33

any of the dirty statements are documents suggest why

7:35

he could see very clear of this was on an accident

7:38

equally fought hard to keep these as you point out

7:40

that you have any thoughts on why that might

7:42

so you know why

7:44

release the latter i can only imagine

7:46

that the release of the letter is part

7:48

of the sort of grievance style

7:51

politics where he has imagines

7:53

himself the victim of

7:56

a dark brandon slash bidens

7:58

lad campaigns you bring

8:00

him down even though he's not doing anything

8:02

but hanging out with seven hundred

8:05

pages of classified documents at

8:07

his beach club ah that's

8:10

the only reason i can think of for releasing

8:12

that some why has the documents

8:14

like bad i think it's a different question and i can't

8:17

help but read that

8:19

happening without sort

8:21

of reflecting back on the

8:24

first trump impeachment where

8:26

the whole class i mean like this is like now really

8:28

reaching into the vault and the first trump

8:31

and teacher was all about whether or not the

8:33

president had withheld

8:35

aid to the ukraine in exchange

8:37

for the present of ukraine so lenski

8:40

providing him with damning information

8:43

about who he then identified

8:45

as his political rival still bite and and

8:47

anyone in joe biden family and

8:50

i think we saw in that impeachment

8:52

that first impeachment someone

8:55

who it was alleged would go to

8:57

any lengths to best

8:59

a political opponent including using

9:02

whatever resources of the united states

9:04

were at his disposal and in a when

9:06

i think about the seven hundred pages of classified

9:08

document that's what i think about

9:10

like worried they there because he

9:13

viewed damn as being

9:15

at his disposal for

9:17

leveraging and and perhaps attaining

9:19

an advantage and and something else that we don't

9:22

even know about on so there's

9:24

no good reason for them and out seven hundred

9:26

pages of classified documents and what

9:29

is likely a very humid the basement

9:32

in maryland i grew up in florida guarantee

9:34

it's an incredibly human basement but

9:37

i again i added you can't think about it

9:39

without sort of reflecting back on some

9:41

of the different episodes in dismay

9:43

tenure as president where in a we

9:45

just saw a lot of an orthodox use

9:47

of

9:48

american resources and alleged

9:50

unorthodox he says of american resources

9:54

the the other reason that

9:56

i think trump may have quite stupidly

9:59

released this letter his and i can

10:01

live about a say when i'm on the sake as it makes

10:03

me really question a lot my life decisions bots

10:05

john solomon's to is a noted

10:09

conspiracy theorist cranks who wrote a lot

10:11

of the same sections about

10:13

trump inning in ukraine during the first

10:15

impeachment ah , on steve

10:17

bannon podcast podcast

10:20

talk about the letter and gentlemen addition to being

10:22

someone who was fired from the hill

10:24

for wine which is basically a part of the hills

10:27

of as you can't get fired from the like if

10:29

like getting ah is

10:31

it's is like hard to imagine ah

10:33

that ever happening some once he

10:35

is solomon of also donald

10:37

trump's hand picked representative to

10:39

the national archives

10:41

here's a person was was communicate with the national

10:43

archives about various

10:45

arguments like president obama as as you

10:47

know when he was writing his memoirs

10:49

was constantly getting papers national

10:51

archives to look at in there is is very specific process

10:54

with wires it's the don't have all

10:56

staff members who were communicating they were being returned

10:58

all that trump is this complete nut job during

11:00

episode joseph's dance home and

11:02

went on ah cbs forecast

11:04

and just the way we know that the trump releases

11:06

letter is it was released on john solomon's

11:08

website ah which i'm sure as like

11:10

very normal not very normally raise a circle

11:13

not super normal that sauce traditional

11:15

legal way of getting information out as

11:17

i had a website it's probably bad

11:19

and lot of places ah

11:22

but it but it salmond argue

11:24

that the letter improved that

11:26

joe biden

11:28

master minded

11:31

signed off on was somehow

11:33

involved in the raid

11:35

at moral auto and just so

11:37

we can dispense with that's the

11:39

and you may have worn out here but the specific mention

11:43

of president by in the letter has to do west's

11:46

the claims the completely ridiculous

11:48

claims of executive privilege that

11:51

former prisoner troubles tried to make over these documents

11:54

president of the ones who make decisions about executive

11:56

privilege just as it was president biden who made

11:58

decisions about like documents

12:00

would be released to the gen six committee and those

12:03

sorts of things it has nothing to do with the radio

12:05

new bike like several schools

12:07

have read string to get to where they're going but

12:09

it was part of this effort to

12:12

try to blame mind as you said to make himself the victim

12:15

of saw

12:16

seriously

12:17

let me just like make one a man that what

12:19

you said it or and agree with all that this is part of

12:21

the victimization ah narrative

12:23

bad as being spanked it was

12:26

not afraid of marijuana go for a i

12:28

think that's important to underscore there was

12:30

a valid li a

12:32

paint and executed search warrant

12:34

like someone had to go to a judge

12:36

and provide probable cause

12:38

for the search and that was all provided

12:40

and he was all on the up and happened so to say

12:43

that it was a rating does play into that the

12:45

narrative that he has some how a victim who

12:47

had been wronged which i don't think is

12:50

the case but again i do think this

12:52

is part of this narrative

12:54

where he has been besieged

12:56

and beleaguered and joe

12:58

biden is a puppet master orchestrating

13:01

everything

13:02

there's the other part of this in

13:04

the sort of goes with everything that trump is done

13:06

right it's the ever the he said likes they

13:08

played a the evidence they

13:11

plan to the evidence for the evidence they planted was

13:13

top was not actually cried because i had this mysterious

13:16

magical standing order to declassify everything

13:18

i wish i don't

13:19

the fight it before it with plants head

13:21

which was used the most three million i've

13:23

ever done because i'm a genius

13:25

yes em all of those things

13:28

is all part of the it's like the

13:30

embodiment

13:31

the trump he and right wing media strategy

13:33

that sees that him once called flood the zone but shit

13:36

was as she just throws everything

13:38

you possibly can even if it is ridiculous

13:41

contradictory absurd at

13:43

the wall distract the media

13:45

distract democrats hoped

13:47

that less engaged ah voters

13:50

disrupt arms and safe who the fuck knows

13:52

what to believe and also

13:54

gives the many

13:56

very thin reads to

13:59

all the people

13:59

who are predisposed to stick with trump

14:03

the give them a reason to stick with trump the hang onto to

14:05

stick with trump and that

14:07

like it doesn't matter how ridiculous that's that's what

14:09

is the guy gets or of what they're

14:11

doing the problem they face

14:13

is in israel really really gets her take

14:16

his when that has worked

14:18

quite successfully in the past including

14:20

and both impeachments it

14:23

is because it was happening in the realm of politics

14:26

where the audience was

14:28

voters

14:29

in a deeply polarized country

14:32

our by right wing propaganda or

14:35

congress in the center where you've had politicians

14:37

who had political the incentive

14:40

to behave certain ways we're

14:42

i think trump is struggling here is this

14:44

is not a case that is necessarily

14:46

going to take place in the rumble politics

14:49

you're not trying to persuade susan collins

14:51

to stick with our party or lisa murkowski stick

14:53

with the parties or yes i'm talking points or lindsey

14:55

graham this is gonna happen in , court

14:57

of law in so

15:00

in that context you

15:02

know there's been is running debate

15:04

among people on twitter which is obviously very

15:06

important about whether the department

15:08

of justice simpli

15:10

executed this ah legally

15:13

authorized court approved search warrant

15:15

it was done in a very peaceful fashion not a rates

15:17

are because they needed to get these documents back

15:19

would seem to be quite sensitive or

15:22

because it's part of an actual effort

15:24

to seek evidence for potential criminal case

15:26

against stamps or anything you've learned over

15:28

the last couple weeks it gives you a clue as to which

15:30

direction you think this think this

15:32

the i was the distinction that draw

15:35

between law and politics

15:37

i'm i also love the idea of to see a flinging

15:39

sit at the wall that reminds me of i'm going

15:41

to he oakland zoo which

15:43

that chimpanzee and closer

15:45

and basically these chimpanzees or literally

15:48

just slang see com

15:49

or at each other all day so i just like how this

15:51

image of steve bannon like and and and closer

15:53

to slinging wire i would say i made

15:56

my family's a member of the oakland susa we can't

15:58

we are very frequent of view that's

16:00

the said it's very popular

16:02

my family it's the child enclosure

16:05

i think you will you know i i i lived in open

16:07

for a long time as some of my time at the opens a

16:09

so i see in all of that

16:11

some the chimpanzee media strategy up

16:13

close and but but but i think you're rates

16:16

are this will play

16:18

out differently because it's not being

16:21

reviewed and the court of public opinion

16:23

bad in sad in a court

16:25

of law and eight and you're seeing some of the limitations

16:28

of that strategy already so

16:30

enough for example we know that

16:32

on monday the former president

16:35

filed a complaint in

16:37

the southern district of florida bob's

16:39

before a judge island kennedy who is a trump of

16:41

point he ought to basically

16:44

has a special master

16:46

review the boxes and you

16:48

know make his own determination about what could

16:50

be returned to the bathroom it also to have some

16:53

of these documents return to the

16:55

former president because they are quote unquote his

16:58

on and judge cannon

17:01

whoever trump appointee you kind of wrote

17:03

back in this sort of the

17:06

letter order on own or and

17:08

i'd actually wasn't a letter with she wrote that she

17:11

sort of clock back in this order to

17:14

the lead against that

17:16

the had to basically

17:17

rewrite they're failing

17:19

in a way that we is actually

17:21

legible to the court he means basically do so

17:24

the equivalent of what

17:27

even is that it's like wtf like

17:29

you wrote a complaint asking for

17:31

relief he didn't specify the kind of relief

17:33

you want to didn't specify series

17:35

of law that you could predicate your case

17:37

on he didn't identify any evidence

17:40

that made you entitled to

17:42

this kind of reliever it's a seriously wtf

17:45

what even is that he and

17:47

again if you read that complaint

17:50

it is basically a twenty page

17:52

read that's intended

17:54

to be a press release talking about the biden witch

17:57

hunt talking about only thing that like he's a victim

17:59

it's not a legal filing and

18:02

she kind of said this is not a legal

18:04

filing if you're going to do this in a court

18:06

of law you actually have

18:08

to do law and fell that's

18:11

funny as one of the they cheat to think she's are not

18:13

going to be able to get away with the kind of

18:16

shit flinging media strategy

18:18

that i think works in politics

18:20

in a court of loss even before

18:22

someone who with on the bench

18:25

because donald trump appointed up my so

18:27

any there might even be limits to what

18:29

he has done as president to shape the

18:31

judiciary in the

18:32

they beef kinds of filings will be

18:34

received by the courts oh yeah

18:37

that i think is the most important

18:39

distinction here and i think we're gonna see that play out

18:42

what are the funniest parts about that

18:45

is in our i'm getting us monday and york times article

18:47

from other day who teaches in

18:49

that tuesday searing the

18:51

judge told trump's attorneys

18:53

who recorded in your time either them or license to

18:55

practice in the state florida that there's a whole

18:57

thing about whether they had down the proper requirements

19:00

for pro have feature which is how you get to practice

19:02

in the southern district of florida

19:04

and according to the judge said quote

19:06

a simple motion can be sound on the courts

19:08

website simply it's a little the paperwork ross

19:10

says i'm

19:13

assuming you've never want to hear that

19:15

as a deterrent a city before a judge

19:18

the gamma disable motion from the website

19:20

i think it says a lot about

19:23

the kind of legal counsel that's available

19:25

to him right now and and then i

19:27

think it's a real questions you

19:30

during the first impeachment and even

19:32

in the second impeachment he had access

19:34

to lawyers

19:37

who are i think very good lawyer

19:39

can be fair he wants about pets up alone

19:41

he is a good lawyer right same for

19:44

it pat sylvan like they they be

19:46

know how to do this even if the of they're doing

19:48

it on behalf of someone who

19:50

might be the your path

19:52

and potential autocrat in the making

19:54

ah the filing

19:57

it's not something i would ever want to see

19:59

one of my students filed in court

20:02

any insists so devoid of

20:04

any substance or any of just the traditional

20:06

markers of an actual legal

20:08

filing it it would make you wonder like is this

20:10

the extent of your professional acting men who trained

20:13

you

20:13

like this is bad

20:15

done i talk about this last week but there's

20:18

been such a lot of reports the trump is really struggling

20:20

to find equality attorneys

20:23

to represent him which the

20:25

usual in the sense that

20:29

politically connected rich

20:32

even obviously guilty politically

20:34

connected enrich strictly

20:36

white men never have trouble finding attorneys

20:39

do you have any theories as to why is

20:41

he can get some like person

20:43

who understands how dog saw had a motion

20:45

to represent him like ,

20:47

who understands had a wave and to a district

20:49

where they're not actually license to practice yes

20:51

yes observers is really complicated

20:53

high level constitutional interpretation like

20:56

that

20:58

so i did one thing as you know we've

21:00

famously heard that he doesn't pay his

21:02

lawyer michael cohen talked about getting

21:04

stepped down the bill of by

21:06

donald trump that surely has to be

21:08

part of that but i also think at

21:11

this point in time there are

21:13

real reputation all costs

21:15

to representing the former president

21:18

i'm here and that thing about

21:20

is necessarily a good thing i truly

21:22

believe in the sixth amendment anyone who is facing

21:24

criminal liability deserves vigorous

21:27

council and i believe that for

21:29

everybody because i i don't think that the constitutional commitment

21:32

you can be itinerant about but i do

21:34

think that given

21:37

the adjacent see to the insurrection

21:39

everything that has happened the to impeachment i

21:41

think there are reputation all costs to

21:44

and

21:44

lawyer who steps up to

21:47

represent donald trump and in i think that

21:49

operational costs are real and people are

21:51

weighing them but i also think there

21:53

has to be some consideration that you'd

21:55

this is a client who is unlikely

21:57

to listen to you a client you

21:59

that he knows best and

22:02

in pushing for his preferred

22:04

outcome this is a client who may likely

22:06

lead you into some ethical thickets

22:09

that may compromise your ability

22:11

to practice law in the future may

22:14

even compromise your ability to

22:16

live freely because he to get you into

22:18

trouble and signs of your own criminal i

22:20

believe it is he a with that some

22:22

national archives letter the whole

22:25

discussion of the lawyer signing

22:27

off on the documents saying hey

22:29

this is at we've given you everything and

22:31

perhaps knowing that

22:33

and in fact that it's not true that's the real

22:35

problem that's and exposure to criminal liability

22:38

and i imagine there are a lot of people were like you know i there

22:40

are plenty of people to represent i don't have to do

22:42

that

22:44

is that exact you hit right at it

22:46

which is donald trump is like

22:48

a super spreader of criminality for his

22:50

cease you come near him your

22:53

you work for him your odds of

22:55

needing an attorney of being indicted

22:58

my interviewed blakey i to her knees

23:00

get attorney satellite

23:02

it stands for it have said this area it over

23:04

again

23:05

they are all right all of

23:07

his attorneys white house counsel private charities or were all

23:09

seen the video games this videos machinery

23:12

six your eggs is like and

23:14

vigneault it's very very specific weights

23:17

you don't know if he is

23:19

telling you the truth and you are put in

23:21

a position of citing

23:23

an affidavit based on false information

23:25

i mean this person also lot of people who work around trump

23:27

even if they are as members of the bar also

23:30

why on his be apple's as maybe this person knew they were lying

23:32

but either way it's of your i imagine

23:34

if you're an attorney or someone

23:36

else with any other options

23:39

in ones

23:40

you may choose to avoid catching

23:43

crimes from donald has just by being

23:45

and as general presses right so getting

23:47

advise your opt idea exactly

23:50

what sat bootlaces i just wanna take

23:52

advantage of having year once again

23:54

a know did legal expert here

23:56

on a podcast devoid of legal experts on

23:58

most days i think you're

23:59

when love it

24:00

it fair , with on vacations

24:02

or if he's never wasn't on thursday puzzle her so

24:05

have no idea of i said this by

24:07

it's do you what do you think it's gonna happen

24:09

next year like what should we be looking for

24:12

is this case proceed or this

24:14

investigation music as of right with me

24:16

i didn't answer your question about

24:18

watch video j during a i think that

24:20

that question leads eggs or a blades

24:23

you this generally i don't know

24:25

what the strategy as for that e o j

24:27

is it simply to recover the document or rather

24:29

to gather evidence that makes

24:31

it more likely than not a criminal prosecution

24:34

could be mounted i think this

24:36

is where

24:37

the realm of politics and the

24:39

realm of loss of get inverted

24:41

i think that all the fact that all of this

24:43

is coming out right now that they're seven hundred

24:46

pages of documents many of them are

24:48

incredibly sensitive like someone said these are like

24:50

the most important secrets that venetian

24:52

assholes like i could be really

24:55

hard for that apartment of justice is

24:57

simply say

24:58

we got everything

24:59

right we get a damage assessment it's all

25:01

good let's move on i think it's a be really

25:04

hard for people to

25:06

just move on without any sense of accountability

25:08

at a minimum i think there's definitely going

25:10

to be legislation about

25:13

how presidential records are kept

25:15

and how their routine down

25:17

more than what we have now eating adult

25:20

presidential records act that we have now is

25:22

as that in of the aftermath of watergate

25:25

i think we're going to get more legislation

25:27

around these kinds of questions coming out of

25:29

that but i think they're going to be a lot

25:31

of people who rightly will demand

25:33

accountability like the idea that you

25:36

had this back and forth with the

25:38

national archives the f b i it's involves

25:41

we had to have surveillance video to figure

25:43

out who's coming in and out of this place

25:45

where you're keeping these documents i

25:47

think a lot of he wouldn't say like that can't

25:50

be how we do national security

25:52

that can't be what be what president

25:54

someone who has a fiduciary

25:56

obligation to the nation and then

25:59

security that

25:59

the how he conducts them

26:01

i think people are going to want accountability

26:03

and that may very well on

26:05

be in the form of criminal prosecution

26:08

or whether the d o j take sat sep i think

26:10

is another question by think they're going to be people demanding

26:14

putting us quite honestly i can't comment

26:16

with any substance

26:19

i'd how they would make such make case whatever is

26:21

just my first from like the optics perspective

26:23

of tests how are you not

26:26

proceed in a prosecution

26:29

of a former

26:30

president who knowing

26:32

we and willful we took

26:35

documents and then you

26:37

know allegedly tried to hide them ah

26:39

after signing legally

26:41

the enforceable document to say

26:43

that they didn't have us in a world

26:45

in which the department of justice as

26:48

prosecuted reality winner for

26:50

supper something more smaller has aggressively

26:52

and i think in many cases inappropriate weights

26:54

gone after the people who

26:56

have leaked classified information

26:59

to reporters betrayed like we're obviously

27:01

we have a two tiered

27:03

or multitudes system of justice

27:06

in this country where

27:08

they could like people do not pay the same

27:10

price of those are not legally can actually do bites

27:12

this is such an obvious painful case

27:14

it not pursuing this would seem like a very

27:16

very hard thing to explains if

27:18

it is as at least appears to

27:20

the not liars and back at his opening shot

27:23

as it seeks right

27:25

yeah i definitely think

27:27

that if there is a decision

27:29

not go forward at the prosecution like it will

27:32

i think laid bare the fact that you know

27:34

there are various tears and justice

27:36

here

27:37

that operate in different ways for different people

27:39

depending on their level of political connected

27:41

us i think one other thing

27:43

we can't overlook curious m g

27:45

o j norms around launching

27:48

a prosecution nom ne their potential

27:50

norms launching a prosecution

27:53

those you an impending of actually a

27:55

if you count the days

27:58

between when the search

27:59

tomorrow i'll go check place and one the mid term

28:02

elections are supposed to happen i think it's about

28:04

ninety or ninety one days and

28:06

typically i video j norms

28:08

you don't do a profit in close to

28:11

an election and and close is usually between

28:13

two or three by like

28:15

the were three months out from

28:17

an election so you i wonder just

28:20

given the timing whether that wasn't purpose

28:22

fall like the are they waited until that like that

28:24

the outer reach a bad in order

28:26

to do the search and conduct

28:28

the search and it may mean that we don't hear

28:31

anything else about what comes

28:33

out of the search and where do ya j is

28:35

on it's next steps until after the

28:38

mid term elections and that might be shaped by

28:40

weather at that point in time we

28:43

know s former president

28:45

trump is now current candidate

28:47

in that may also shape the decision

28:50

about how to go forward and

28:52

terms of accountability south say

28:54

i think there are a lot of potential concerns

28:56

here and this is not

28:57

the and apologize for the do your job to sort of identify

29:00

them the think i think they're likely thinking

29:02

about shop fight again you're

29:05

exactly right a lot of people have

29:07

gone to jail for a lot less than that

29:10

it would be really i understand

29:12

why that affirmative justice may not

29:15

we're getting to the point where i would be very weird to announce

29:18

some next step here

29:20

there's also an election by

29:22

would would really i think

29:24

hero ball if donald

29:27

trump's announcement of his candidacy for president

29:30

the he already is says he's

29:32

already basically a balanced and isn't these are

29:34

not that were prosecute a lot of to see violations but

29:36

even have ruled legal gray area about

29:38

ah been his next canada see

29:41

given what he said publicly it's but

29:43

if he if you if the world view

29:45

is that you can't be indicted for criminal defense

29:47

while president because of the oh lc opinion

29:49

for many years ago but you also can't be

29:51

indicted for a criminal offense committed

29:53

while you weren't presley because you are running for presidents

29:56

we're going to end up a lot more people running for president this

29:58

country is that is project

29:59

republican party's

30:02

going to announce just to avoid prosecution for

30:04

various insurrection related crimes

30:06

we're sort of shows that these

30:08

norms were

30:11

created in conceived of at a time

30:13

when you just couldn't imagine the

30:15

president of the united states or someone running for president

30:18

like doing anything that could be considered

30:20

crime adjacent or are crying

30:23

and full amy like you know presidents don't

30:25

do crimes and you know maybe

30:27

that's entirely out the window and we're just

30:30

like you know some sweet summer child who is

30:32

reflecting on a bygone day one you

30:34

know you didn't crime while president

30:37

the or while running for governor

30:39

having or anything we have a major all

30:41

across the board you know maybe we even

30:43

had in the last are watching this one eighty

30:45

election cycle to sitting to members

30:48

robert mercer congress who were under active

30:50

indictment who ran and won

30:52

their last now they did really did retire after

30:55

odd the convicted behind

30:57

us were able to win election under dame

30:59

is a we're definitely in a the

31:01

new era here okay

31:04

finally was and on a little bit of good news

31:06

here a lot of condoms declared in the

31:09

immediate aftermath of the thing

31:11

we are not calling a raid that this

31:13

would fire us are operating base and be a political boon

31:16

for the republican party but on tuesday

31:18

night new york democrat patreon easily

31:20

want to special actually gets a quality point it had

31:22

district that biden one right to and a half points

31:25

though

31:27

was a do you think it's possible the leader of

31:29

republican party stealing your secrets may

31:31

not be the political when that the pundit thought

31:33

i mean i think it's possible that

31:36

some people may been like

31:38

found shady right this is not going

31:40

to be the but not everyone buys the grievances

31:42

at him as a senate narrowed and like that like joe

31:45

biden didn't make you do this on

31:47

elsa think it's not simply that

31:50

the prospect of

31:52

retaining seven hundred pages

31:54

worth of classified information is not appealing

31:57

to the electorate i agree i think there are just a lot

31:59

of aspects

31:59

the republican platform right now that

32:02

are unappealing too broad

32:04

swaths of the public

32:06

right so the stance on reproductive

32:08

freedom for example the effort

32:11

to limit the opportunity of

32:13

individuals to participate in the electoral

32:15

process probably not a big winners

32:17

so i think they're just a lot of places

32:19

where people are just like and i'm not sound for that

32:22

may also be the case that the of the

32:24

ryan race out took

32:26

place

32:27

in a direction that has a very

32:29

like active

32:30

roddick

32:31

what durant's are more portion of the electorate

32:34

added they were especially turned out

32:36

to the primaries i mean we had a lot going

32:38

on the in new york at that time

32:41

lot of things could have been a play but i but

32:43

i do think this idea that

32:46

there is some sector of the public

32:48

that just isn't buying into

32:51

what the republican party is selling right now

32:53

is a real saying and and i did we saw

32:55

it in kansas and i think we

32:58

saw it last tuesday

33:00

and maybe we'll see it going forward

33:03

yeah i don't think patreon one because

33:07

this new criminal investigation or trump

33:10

by it what it did not do

33:12

based on this one specific race is

33:14

t sister treasure the democrats had been off the

33:16

last few months snare the our this

33:19

is a for special action and rubber democrats have outperformed

33:22

their twenty twenty numbers and so

33:24

the idea that this was going to put a stop

33:26

to the momentum that has been growing starting

33:30

with the dobbs decision and then proceeding through

33:32

this recent bit of success

33:34

for democrats and lower yeah for success or is

33:36

that this is not a you know it is probably

33:39

at death's republicans neutral in

33:41

our worst ah been

33:43

a slightly determine all birds it is not

33:46

a sweeper issue it seems like the people's

33:48

be or is it was gonna be this

33:50

raid waves going a fiery one op you would

33:52

have seen some indications of that here and that

33:54

did not happen south it appears

33:56

that at least as of today

33:58

in american politics

34:01

getting

34:02

your home visiting to by the

34:04

sci is not yet or when

34:06

for your party so we can all sleep well knowing

34:08

that

34:09

not a when i like he said that visiting

34:12

by the f b i i am working really

34:14

hard to get raid out of my

34:16

vocabulary can as as you pointed out

34:19

was court approved it was peaceful the even more cargo

34:21

shorts i'm not sure why that was mandatory by

34:24

ah the reds florida your it like you have

34:26

to wear cargo shorts and a short sleeved shirt every

34:28

i mean to do need of a with the they need additional

34:31

i guess we need additional pockets because there were seven

34:33

hundred documents of i'm begging and roll

34:35

them average of six semenya your side pocket

34:38

to get this that's probably how trump got

34:40

to know the white house to be honest with you i

34:42

was summary sake you so much

34:44

for joining us for ceiling

34:47

and for john and giving us actual

34:49

knowledge on legal issues

34:52

thanks for having me

34:53

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in an executive

40:17

order yesterday president by make history by canceling

40:19

ten thousand dollars in student loan debt for all americans

40:22

making less one hundred twenty five thousand dollars yards

40:24

and twenty thousand dollars for pell grant recipients

40:27

here to talk about as big news is the white house press

40:29

secretary cringe on t or three more than

40:31

a parts of america

40:32

thank you so much for

40:34

having me i have been wanting to be

40:36

on the show for a long time and i know

40:38

i know it's not easy to get on so

40:40

i screw you allowing allowing

40:43

little only odds with the he's a was a

40:45

pre see the opportunity

40:46

the why did you laugh it off as a bitter and you

40:48

have a very small talk

40:50

as a spy free say that tell

40:52

us about how

40:53

this announcement what it means

40:56

who's impacted add how

40:58

the people go get a sign up for

41:00

this didn't really have weren't where they go

41:03

to some have to get the help

41:04

so and you thank you for laying

41:07

and out pretty pretty well for me soldiers kind

41:09

of piggyback on what you just said dan

41:11

yes com this is a historic

41:14

historic er announcement this has

41:16

not been done by any other president

41:19

before which is doing this

41:21

or the work and work and

41:24

his campaign promise of doing that

41:26

ten thousand dollars on ah

41:29

debt relief and she just

41:31

didn't stop there it is it is up

41:33

to twenty thousand or ends

41:35

and the president wanted to make sure that he did

41:37

this in a fiscally responsible weights

41:40

or in a balance way and that's

41:42

what you saw yesterday because it's not just

41:44

it's not just that the ten thousand

41:47

or for of for people who are making less under

41:49

one hundred twenty five thousand and then if you

41:51

add the pell grants borrowers

41:54

that war on that will add for them

41:56

up to twenty thousand if you think about pell grants

41:59

or bar i was upheld grant

42:01

recipients when i was going through underground

42:04

and it is for households just think about

42:06

this for households for folks who don't know some

42:08

folks may , gone through the same thing

42:10

indo this personally if your household

42:12

making sixty thousand dollars it

42:15

won't be it's averaging a it's

42:17

mostly a pill grant recipients are

42:19

are folks who are nearly are making

42:21

as sixty thousand dollars per household

42:24

and half of the telegraph powers or

42:26

for at thirty thousand a per household

42:28

that's been deal because this is a target

42:30

is targeted efforts up

42:33

for folks who really need that extra breathing

42:35

room as you hear the present say often so

42:37

that's that peace and then there's two

42:39

or other piece i want to talk about really quickly and i'll give it back

42:41

to you dance is is the other

42:43

pieces that up the pause that

42:45

we have had since the previous

42:48

routes administration and it's been extended

42:50

under this administration under this of times is

42:52

going to be listed it as december

42:55

thirty first so we wanted to do this

42:57

about the same time or so

42:59

to give people can do to keep people little bit

43:01

of breathing room and the third thing is there

43:04

is a reform components to

43:06

this people have been asking as well what happens

43:08

to the folks the the folks

43:10

are gonna come the who are in high school

43:12

who are who are going to be future bars

43:15

this the doing this reform peace

43:17

we had understand this this student

43:19

loan peace it is a it

43:22

is the system is not working

43:24

it is a broken system so we wanted

43:26

to make sure that for future

43:28

bars and current bar as we

43:31

, taking that ten for said

43:33

that five percent cat i'm sorry

43:35

that ten percent chance and were making more bringing

43:37

it down we're bringing it down

43:40

to five percent so you are going to if you're

43:42

a construction worker ah and

43:44

you pay and an you two hundred bucks a month

43:46

for your of for a student loan it

43:49

will now be will hundred bucks a month so

43:51

that is incredibly important as well

43:53

or to make sure that we're giving up

43:56

release and was thinking about the present

43:58

wanted to think about future bars this

44:00

is exciting this is historically a proud

44:03

of what we have been able to do and is just

44:05

going to help so many so

44:07

many other americans and families

44:10

if you're a person who qualifies

44:12

for this don't really either and

44:14

or student loans or pell grants is replace

44:17

you go to sign up arm

44:19

and if those applications are an online yards

44:21

or any says the when they will be

44:23

so as you know you've been you've been you've

44:25

sat in this in this building

44:27

before and so this was a

44:29

directive or that was done

44:31

by the department of education it as an administrative

44:34

action as you know i'm so

44:37

at the department of education is going

44:39

to run this process there is a

44:41

website that is set up when i tell

44:43

people and co is to white house that

44:45

the others a separate white website that the way how

44:47

does that gov is pretty simple to stairs

44:49

a favour right all right out

44:51

at the top of have felt the website

44:53

you click on that banner it takes you to

44:56

the actual website directs you to the website

44:58

or that talks about the debt relief program

45:01

that we just announced yesterday and then

45:03

you can sign up to get email

45:05

updates so that job

45:07

you know exactly what you need to do

45:09

department of education is gonna do all that

45:12

work they are working through that process

45:14

they will have an application for people to

45:16

sign up to it's a sign up for visible

45:19

eight million people that we

45:21

is that dumped them me that administration

45:23

has automatic information automatic

45:26

information that we just have information so that that

45:28

will automatically or bill see that

45:30

relief up pretty quickly rather

45:32

than others have to kind of check and make sure

45:35

and go through the process and after the happens with

45:37

it

45:38

now

45:39

predictably this announcement

45:42

calls republicans to flip their lives

45:44

there screaming about fiscal responsibility

45:48

and helping certain people not helping others

45:50

what is your guys response to the

45:52

overall republican critique

45:55

that we everyone was in this noses complete and

45:57

total bullshit by as you're abroad

45:59

for the white house's to ah

46:02

like what is your response of the went with republicans

46:04

events for a screaming about in reddit

46:06

is a slam it is so ironic

46:09

it a secret of

46:10

ironic i'm and

46:12

i say this because how

46:14

irresponsible where they back

46:16

and twenty seven she's when they

46:19

gave a task card to the wealthy two

46:21

trillion dollars to trillion

46:23

dollars didn't have a way to pay

46:25

for it and it

46:27

was for the wealthy and the way that

46:29

worked out his eighty

46:31

five percent of that

46:33

attacks occurred which do

46:36

with to earth folks americans

46:39

were making more than seventy five thousand dollars

46:41

a year and what we are talking about

46:43

with with the president announced yesterday

46:46

is that ninety

46:48

percent of percent of benefit

46:50

is going to go to people who are making less

46:52

than seventy five thousand so you see that the

46:54

reverse of what we're

46:57

trying to do weird we care about

46:59

the little guy we care about the little

47:01

those the book that the people who have been left

47:03

behind who are been crushed and crippled

47:06

by the economy the last two years

47:08

we know that's present has done so much work to turn

47:10

the economy back on split it is such

47:13

a if any it is we're happy to have

47:15

that conversation we're happy to have that's

47:17

a discussion because again when

47:19

we were talking about those ppp loans

47:22

back during the beginning of or the

47:24

pandemic that was going to small businesses

47:27

no one said anything when we were three giving

47:29

loans off because of the ppp

47:32

loads no and no one on that side

47:34

said anything about it now that we're trying

47:36

to help heart you know doing this is a targeted

47:38

way helping people that really need

47:40

the help oh now we hear get now

47:43

he'd we hear this is a problem

47:45

in general we can take a critique seriously

47:47

compete for sure fought like

47:49

hell to keep huge

47:52

corporations figure out a taxes like to not really

47:54

credible message results with there are some critics

47:56

and i think i would love to get your take on because

47:58

there there you know where on their

48:00

face ridiculous in the public a monster why

48:03

in the is this is going to increase

48:05

cause to which newness address culture for abilities

48:07

like this is obviously one piece of

48:09

a larger couples affordability plan that the president

48:12

campaigned on and as worked odds are

48:14

you know going back to our when i worked in a

48:16

building with him skew sort of us what

48:18

else the president wants to do to address

48:20

large i'm from college affordability and

48:22

and that is something that secretary

48:24

or donors who is as you know

48:27

the secretary for department of education is

48:29

taken very seriously and keeping a close

48:31

eye on that is has said he's going

48:33

to crack down on

48:35

our on those efforts if we if

48:37

we see those are happening which we

48:40

people we don't clearly were expecting that

48:42

to happen or that is not surprising

48:44

that that would happen and so he has a

48:47

put forth some ,

48:49

real programs to keep an eye on that

48:51

and to take action is that is it lawrence

48:54

or when it avoids the other

48:56

pieces the other things that this president has

48:58

done which has been historic and you're right

49:00

it's not just been this past slinky

49:02

months as been with the obama

49:04

biden ministration he oh that is something

49:06

that we all care it about or

49:08

he cared about was the board president obama

49:11

well enough and war ended the work

49:13

there are in in are way that was effective

49:16

for people who needed the help

49:18

up but the thing that sounds the thing that i

49:21

wanted to just also mention

49:23

is the president has

49:26

also thirty two billion dollars or

49:28

he's been able to do

49:31

to rinse to take away a

49:33

loan debt for about one six one point

49:35

six million americans have something that he

49:37

was able to do very early on as thirty

49:39

two billion dollars for

49:42

one point six million americans

49:44

it's incredibly important when you to think about

49:46

think about c is a historically black

49:49

colleges and universities were talking about

49:51

six billion dollars as

49:53

because of the american rescue plan post which

49:55

by the way only democrats voted

49:57

for and helped turn the economy back

49:59

during one of the one of those

50:02

hardest toughest times for americans

50:04

because of this once in a generation pandemics

50:07

and so the h b c you insist that is

50:09

at six billion dollars which is also

50:11

historic historic ,

50:14

or to invest so we have done

50:16

extra extra work on

50:18

bed and ticket extra steps

50:21

to make sure at that job people

50:23

who are since ceiling the price with intuition

50:26

ah increases are high costs

50:28

i can get a little bit also livermore breathing

50:30

room from the american rescue plan which i just mentioned

50:32

that about forty billion dollars that was put in

50:35

there so college or university could help i

50:37

people young people who were really at need

50:40

to make sure that their costs were their

50:42

costs as well i get only democrats

50:45

only dem crash noted for the american basket

50:48

in the barrel same these days and a lot with a

50:51

lot of the a lot of things in how working people the

50:54

you don't president said it fighting inflation is is

50:56

is top hard as you just say the inflation reduction

50:58

acts it's not just republicans are are

51:00

some economists including democratic

51:03

economists who argue that this decision

51:06

wage that would

51:08

it could potentially increase inflation what

51:10

are the white house economists and economic advisor

51:12

sing about why the as not the case yes

51:14

we don't think that's the case and we've heard from experts

51:16

as well including wall street experts

51:19

who have said it will have ah it will

51:22

not have not have impact on

51:24

inflation look one of the things

51:26

that we have talked about and i think the i

51:28

believe us citizens to be getting as i if i

51:30

if i did i apologize for repeating myself

51:33

is that we have ah you

51:35

know this prison has been very

51:37

very seat in and soon dance

51:40

on the the deficit reduction

51:42

right the first and this is part of deficit

51:45

directive the duct production is and and

51:47

indeed part of fighting inflation

51:49

they go hand in hand and in many ways when he

51:51

won a fight inflation one of the things that can

51:53

do is reduce the debt and in the first

51:55

year we saw in this administration three

51:57

hundred eighty billion dollars of deficit reduction

52:00

by the end of this ah fiscal cycle

52:03

which ends in october will

52:05

see one point seven trillion dollars

52:08

in , deficit reduction

52:10

and bad is because of the work

52:12

that this administration has done or

52:15

to make sure that make sure

52:17

and so you have seen a how how

52:20

seriously we take this me wanna make sure

52:22

we put out this plan we wanted to make sure

52:24

that it was of this fiscally balanced

52:26

ah and smart but

52:28

also was done in a targeted way to truly

52:31

truly help or amir

52:34

there have also been some critiques here including

52:36

from some democrats it is obviously

52:38

a sex the only

52:41

people who went to college tonight the

52:43

my intimate of americans you did not go to college

52:45

maybe and i think wants to get that is taking

52:47

this is a good work out of out

52:49

of the larger context of the by neck on the great

52:52

you talk a little bit about some of the things that

52:54

the submitter you she wants to do to help or

52:56

he middle class people that i've oh i don't know maybe

52:58

republicans maybe blockade in the senate

53:01

well there is one build

53:03

i just got signed by the president that was

53:05

certainly blocked by by republicans

53:08

which , the inflation reduction act and

53:10

here's the thing about this than if

53:12

republicans truly cared about

53:15

fighting installations they would have voted

53:17

or supported be early inflation

53:20

bill that was in front of them a

53:22

few weeks ago which is disinflation reduction

53:24

act which is going to do

53:26

wonders

53:26

quite special interest rate

53:28

we've been fighting democrats have been fighting special

53:30

interest wealthy wealthy special interests

53:33

like farmer for example

53:35

for decades and what inflation

53:37

reduction act is going to do

53:40

it now that his his loss or is going to

53:42

lower cost of pharmaceutical

53:45

drug costs for our seniors to think

53:47

about our seniors i mean

53:49

i know people i have friends who

53:52

pay who have to help and in actually the president

53:54

did president did with when his mom

53:56

was getting older is day

53:59

she has a pizza

53:59

the dollar amount

54:01

the amount of prescription drugs and what

54:03

this will do in this this

54:05

many seniors that this effect is hooked half

54:08

the year a payment

54:10

to two thousand but republicans

54:12

voted against that they voted against

54:15

lowering

54:16

prescription drugs for our seniors

54:18

wicked with because they were in

54:20

the pockets of big pharma because they were

54:22

in the pockets of a special interests

54:24

are big pharma spent hundreds of the

54:27

canvas is a tens of millions of dollars to

54:29

make sure that this build that go through and that's

54:31

what the been doing for decades and let's not forget

54:33

the climate stuff in there historical

54:36

investments gonna release make

54:38

a big big dent in

54:40

what we're trying to do or to deal with

54:43

a climate crisis or thought climate change

54:46

obviously been a period

54:49

of great progress ah season and substance

54:51

i think is one complaint is called it off as the for

54:53

the democrats ministrations ah

54:55

between us it's like russia that

54:58

veterans benefits ah but

55:00

the chips accelerants now is

55:02

so many is the so many how many i think i

55:04

see progress

55:06

, working so that's that's

55:10

do what do you guys minutes turn your attention

55:12

to now is speeding up the summer comes

55:14

in and saw half as good as limits are from are

55:16

some things that are listener

55:19

should be expecting to see from this white house

55:21

more sensitive accents more temperate legislation

55:24

know it's all the question

55:25

the the president is going to continue to do

55:27

the work for the american people there are things

55:29

a that for example the built the

55:31

that his bbb to build back better agenda

55:34

that's where the a inflation reduction act

55:36

actually comes from bad as part of that

55:38

when you think about elder care when you think about childcare

55:41

all things that he's still very much committed

55:43

to that we know was going to give some relief

55:45

to families to single moms a

55:47

to parents out there who really need that help

55:49

a especially in taking care or someone

55:52

taking care of an elder parent those are real

55:54

a issues that that are americans have

55:56

to deal with so that's still important to him he's going to

55:58

continue to work on these issues and

56:00

in next several weeks and next several

56:03

days you're going to see of the the

56:05

the president and democrats out there to

56:07

your point we have successes

56:10

we have or the receipts

56:12

as the young people say some getting

56:14

really old now but the receipts to

56:16

show the american people that hey

56:19

look this is what we have done this is

56:21

what we're doing we're going to continue

56:23

to do that work the we want to explain to

56:25

you what the american rescue plan did

56:27

why it was able to put shots and arms and get

56:29

the it's the economy going again why it was able

56:31

to save small this is why was able to

56:34

open up schools again we want to talk

56:36

about the bipartisan infrastructure lox that

56:38

for now forget that isn't as historical

56:40

investment and it was bipartisan which people

56:43

said it couldn't happen for our roads

56:45

for our bridges for our channels

56:47

for gonna go out and talk about that and all

56:49

of the amazing thing the chips acts with the manufacturing

56:52

and know strengthening our supply train

56:54

making sure was strengthening our national security

56:57

benefits rate the benefits for various

56:59

expanding the a better benefits for

57:01

vet veterans who treats hasn't been done in

57:03

seoul launch making sure we're taking

57:05

care of our folks who put their lives

57:07

on their line up for us for our nation's

57:10

i think about again that is inside

57:13

the ins and inflation reduction act all

57:15

of those days and was i forget the bipartisan

57:18

and gun reform the hadn't been done in decades

57:21

and decades and you are here dance you were

57:23

here house we were here when it was so hard

57:26

all of the things the horrible mass

57:28

shootings that we saw during

57:30

the last administration and we

57:32

couldn't get anything done and house heard

57:36

president , and vice presidents

57:38

abiding at the time work so hard to

57:40

make sure that we are protecting community snow

57:42

which he keeps that was to

57:45

, to a better place where were

57:48

you know going to school doesn't have to be so

57:50

scary go into a grocery store doesn't have

57:52

to be so scary they're still work to be dance

57:54

but at least we're taking a step in the right direction

57:57

the last question for your buddy maturity

57:59

can answer

57:59

oh boy i have

58:02

led

58:03

that president biden has seen

58:06

the dark red it means he's a goddamn

58:09

having worked at present about me for i'm really trying

58:11

to imagine that conversations

58:13

etti you could tell me about how he learned about

58:15

this about this to it has you guys

58:17

explained it to him

58:19

so funny i will not there

58:21

is when that happened if they haven't actually

58:23

build know my guess is

58:25

maybe his grandkids may have it has

58:28

value brought it up him i don't know that's just

58:30

my my yes but

58:33

, so it's a while they solicit they some

58:35

ways that the it's like going viral people are sent

58:37

me to letting me a specific

58:41

the standard things all the times

58:43

ah but it is that it

58:45

has something to behold wow i don't

58:48

know what yeah i think he's

58:50

the grandkids is a great gas that would be

58:52

like doubt house and i was tasked

58:55

with trying to explain dark brandon

58:57

to joe biden i would definitely send the grandkids

58:59

and yeah younger hipper exactly

59:02

but since to them so many for than

59:04

kids he would he lost them of course even

59:06

year to your point of course well i

59:09

that's my that's my guess idol

59:11

that that sounds

59:13

credible to me

59:14

thank you so much for joining

59:16

us today we got to have you back it and sense

59:18

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59:20

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59:22

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joining us now is the secretaries

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they from arizona she's also running become

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arizona's next governor kitty op's walk

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into the pot

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hi thanks for having me i'm really excited to be

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there you are serving a secretary state

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or in the twenties when election when joe biden defeated

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out how much as ten thousand votes arizona became

1:04:18

it's ground zero in the big

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why it is a where

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the center of the data for democracy is how

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did your spirits a secretary of state in

1:04:27

that election impact

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your decision to run for governor in twenty

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twenty

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he was absolutely a foundational

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in my decision to ryan a i n

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n n on your friends first of all we are

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facing unprecedented attacks

1:04:42

on our democracies from every

1:04:44

angle on and it's all fueled

1:04:46

by the former presidents big why

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the sense that he is running all of these

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election deny er er boxing always selection

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the mayor's running i in offices

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of and down the ballot here in

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arizona and his entire

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slate of ever of candidates slept

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the republican primaries are including

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my opponent really who has made election

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denial of the center of her campaign

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on and on the other side of that of that

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wouldn't want him the one from between each me

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election we're facing some serious challenges

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i and nobody i

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am i the only one offering solutions

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for how we can type of the challenges and have not

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how we can bring people together

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to solve these problems and continue

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to move rc forward or instead

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of being stuck in that oh and election that happened

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two years ago

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after a

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, of election officials yourself included

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arizona and around the country stood

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up against a big why in the people trying

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to syrup people's votes there were

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three you know heard others in the gen six hearing there were threats

1:05:47

against are watching workers i

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know you continue to get these threats i'm since you actually

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got a very serious threat earlier this month

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your team is shared that audio with us let's

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take a lesson into will talk about it afterwards asthma

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the use for trader katie hobbs

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the drug your feet you've done nothing

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to protect our election if a twenty

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twenty you're commit

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an election fraud

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they're starting to do it again from

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day one

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your the enemy of the united states you're

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a traitor to this country and

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you better put your she your fucking affairs

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in order

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is your days are extremely

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numbered

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america's coming for you and you will

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pay with your life you communist fuck

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a trader bitch

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that is obviously a very disturbing

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and scary message i can only imagine

1:06:42

what it was like to receive that's

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what's your response to it and what do you say

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yes to the people who are helping your

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including your opponent or hoping see all

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these conspiracy theories and these threats to get people

1:06:53

are simply trying to do their jobs protect

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democracy

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i mean we are in very dangerous times

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right now

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as new i mentioned i'm

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it is elected officials and other

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political leaders you are fueling at these

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kinds of threats of violence and

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will continue to speed the

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big lie and so when

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everyday people who are being misled

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by these lies i

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don't see action being taken because

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there's nothing to take action for there's there's

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no evidence of bride and

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we conducted the safest the most secure election in

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our seats history i and you

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know my opponent continues to call for me to

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be arrested and it's when that doesn't happen

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and where's the point where people decide to take

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things into their own hands and and you heard his word

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say that that i'm a traitor and that americans

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coming for me on and

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and

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are are are so called leaders

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are art egging design

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and and we're facing k

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see how dangerous or it ignoring

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how they dress their behavior is and their

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rhetoric it

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your opponent cari like is in my

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opinion

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perhaps the most dangerous candidate running for office

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in the country right now i'm she

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has enough fuel the threats like the one we

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just heard she is spreading lies but

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she is also someone who

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has a is a former news anchor has a

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long term relationship with the

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voters in that state what

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is your strategy for centurions

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the campaign i'd her extremists

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of as and informing it's the voters

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of arizona why it she is

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would be such a dangerous for us to be gov

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you're exactly right that she is an

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incredibly dangerous and it's not as because

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of her rhetoric and her focus on

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these election conspiracies but it's the

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actual thing she said she would do as governor

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and for extreme positions on critical

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issues like abortion sheep fully

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supports criminalizing abortions

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i was no exceptions for rape

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or incest or even the life of the mother

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i heard her proposals

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would kill women ah

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and that is not been hyperbolic she's

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suggested

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that everyday everyone should be

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able to own rocket launchers

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the car weapons of war

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are designed to cause extreme destruction and

1:09:08

when given the chance to

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the background from these positions shield double

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down on them and so she's clearly

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dangerous and so our focus

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is making sure that arizona and know that our

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know that i'm the

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the the sanity in this equation

1:09:24

match that this election is not about republicans

1:09:26

or democrats it's about christianity vs chaos

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and diet and that we

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have real issues to tackle and

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i have a record of working across

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the aisle to tackle problems and that

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the adam leadership i'll bring to the governor's office to

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continue with our straightforward

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i would like to just put

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follow as one far better

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bet she supports allowing arizonans

1:09:49

to have rocket launchers was a day here

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that correctly

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yeah and a year

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and and she said this at some point

1:09:56

during the primary when she was trying to bolster

1:09:59

her second

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many cried and as

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you know that there's like a try to see the most

1:10:05

extreme think that's so extreme

1:10:07

you can even believe it but i'm

1:10:09

when have caffeine and add that we

1:10:11

put out same bass amp she said oh yeah i

1:10:14

support all weapon then

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didn't back down

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okay so now allowing

1:10:21

eighteen year olds the by assault weapons is the

1:10:24

sv rhino position their own party

1:10:26

a true republican supports rocket launcher israel

1:10:28

or other that's that's great that it's good to hear

1:10:30

ah you know obviously yours

1:10:33

obviously yours lot of time understanding communicating with

1:10:35

a arizonans about the

1:10:37

stakes in the selection what her policies would mean for them

1:10:39

but for listeners who are not in arizona

1:10:42

who may wanna help your campaign did you just

1:10:44

health explains when

1:10:46

dangerous we face and twenty twenty four

1:10:49

election if we go into a close race

1:10:51

in arizona where cari latest the governor

1:10:53

mark since i'm a member of the oath keepers

1:10:56

is as the secretary of state and what

1:10:58

that looks like and whites democracy hitters

1:11:00

in some ways on your wrist

1:11:02

after will be an and pinky for a snack

1:11:04

machines so first of all me are going

1:11:06

to win this race i read that in

1:11:08

support from across the country because people

1:11:11

know how important arizona is and

1:11:13

me will continue to accept

1:11:15

support i i katie how that works

1:11:18

so thank you so much for that ah

1:11:20

but there is so much at stake

1:11:22

and you see on the former presidents

1:11:24

focusing on swing state like

1:11:26

michigan wisconsin pennsylvania arizona

1:11:29

the as their t it's you quenching

1:11:32

that and presidency and twenty from

1:11:34

before and he wants folks victory

1:11:36

late he'll be in positions over

1:11:38

certifying election

1:11:40

that

1:11:41

that they can overturn the well the voters

1:11:44

break the rules if you know

1:11:47

if they don't like the outcome that's what we're

1:11:49

facing we're facing a

1:11:51

choice between i'm fifty

1:11:53

eight it's the future a free and fair elections

1:11:55

in our country that are on the ballot and

1:11:57

twenty twenty

1:11:58

you know the obviously arizona was the close

1:12:00

stayed in twenty twenty

1:12:02

it's a state that robinson one many years and that's

1:12:05

what my role is donald

1:12:07

trump's support our your

1:12:09

opponent and the rest republican ticket they're playing

1:12:12

however is or and reacting to that is that

1:12:14

a is that helpful to them as or hurtful

1:12:16

to them as is something you're talking about

1:12:19

i think carry lakes electorate that

1:12:21

that gave her the nomination for

1:12:24

the republican party is not representative

1:12:26

of the majority of our state that

1:12:28

being said this is so the be an incredibly

1:12:30

close race a democrat

1:12:33

didn't when in arizona by a landslide

1:12:36

and from what i've

1:12:39

what you're talking about they are ready to move

1:12:41

on from the twenty twenty election they are tired

1:12:43

of arizona been the a laughingstock

1:12:46

mean that that of late night from the television jokes

1:12:49

and and i and

1:12:51

hobby net been ground zero as

1:12:53

he said for that of the fallout

1:12:56

from the twenty twenty elections i

1:12:58

and so so they're tired of it they want

1:13:00

to move on and i think they really

1:13:02

get what's at stake in this election on

1:13:05

and and and so donald trump's

1:13:07

involvement here in another state

1:13:10

really driving home that that

1:13:13

extreme rhetoric that election denial

1:13:15

on that most people know is not

1:13:17

real ah and on

1:13:20

and alienating them from from

1:13:22

everyday voters i can really

1:13:24

nice is continuing to feel that

1:13:26

rhetoric and before the primary

1:13:29

he's got a painter or there were huge amounts

1:13:31

of fraud

1:13:32

that she had evidence of if

1:13:35

she lost the race it

1:13:37

clearly she didn't but we know she's coming back with

1:13:39

that after the general

1:13:41

this is what you can bring the cyber ninjas back as

1:13:43

the right hands on

1:13:47

the you know this know this of the

1:13:49

most unique midterm electron virus

1:13:51

never had traditionally

1:13:53

the party in power of democrats

1:13:56

ah would suffer in the selection but a lot

1:13:58

has changed in recent months

1:13:59

you know what how are you focusing

1:14:02

your message or communications with voters

1:14:04

were you know obvious as we mentioned the

1:14:06

you're running against a big white candidate arizona's

1:14:09

ah at the center of the battle for democracy

1:14:12

it's it is on abortion is also

1:14:14

bit top of mine for a lot of voters are front

1:14:16

as extreme record on abortion were also existing

1:14:19

and in environments with record high inflation

1:14:21

a very confusing economies how are you

1:14:23

what is a story you're telling them how do you work through all

1:14:26

those issues to have ah it's coherent narrative

1:14:28

about why you and why not your opponent

1:14:30

you yeah and that's a question we get

1:14:32

to know anything and it's will be

1:14:35

clear this is a nice ah

1:14:37

arizona

1:14:38

between myself and carry late night you

1:14:41

know the white house and republicans

1:14:43

i'm certainly those these are playing

1:14:46

out aragon it's are

1:14:48

concerned about affordability it's one of the top

1:14:50

issues i hear from people ah that's

1:14:52

been directly impacted by inflation we

1:14:54

put out a plan to help address that we

1:14:56

put money part in all the pockets

1:14:58

of working families without raising taxes

1:15:01

and give them some immediate release from these

1:15:03

economic the

1:15:05

ones where seems i will

1:15:07

i in arizona inflation has been largely

1:15:09

driven by the housing market we're gonna

1:15:11

focus and how we bring those costs

1:15:14

down to the ears moments can afford rent

1:15:16

or or or being humble just as

1:15:19

on so that we're

1:15:21

focusing focusing real issues

1:15:23

and how we address them which

1:15:26

my opponent has no plans to do serious

1:15:29

months ago i arrogant

1:15:31

names are absolutely concern about

1:15:33

continued access to safe and legal abortion

1:15:35

which we don't have in the state right now there's

1:15:37

we're pushing providers he providing

1:15:40

services are you making me feel anything

1:15:42

if it really care for up for

1:15:44

people seeking abortions edge and routine

1:15:47

pregnancy care

1:15:48

i had a miscarriage my

1:15:50

doctor performed at the end the it was the best

1:15:52

option for my health neither

1:15:56

on and and miscarriages and and

1:15:58

women's health care if him

1:15:59

hundred years

1:16:01

the the policy if an and

1:16:04

their it's not seem to see that might

1:16:06

my pony is proposing at full criminalization

1:16:09

of abortion

1:16:10

it going to put women's lives

1:16:12

at risk

1:16:14

the need to invest in public education

1:16:17

my opponent wants to

1:16:19

put cameras every public

1:16:21

school classroom to monitor what teachers

1:16:24

are doing at which would open a

1:16:26

door

1:16:26

are predators

1:16:28

for all of a can just

1:16:30

buy and all of our children's and and

1:16:33

we have serious issues when it comes

1:16:36

to water and our leaders have kicked the candid

1:16:38

cam down the road for too long we need

1:16:40

to tackle that head on and

1:16:42

and my opponent has proposed pipeline

1:16:44

water arizona from the mississippi

1:16:47

river which is i

1:16:49

met a physical alternative

1:16:51

all at all but there are some grow things we

1:16:53

can do and that would that would have

1:16:55

an impact and adjust their prices immediately

1:16:58

and and that's that's those are the things

1:17:01

i'm talking to folks about ah

1:17:03

and and and how we can

1:17:05

you know again move our seat forward first

1:17:08

is offering a lot of extreme rhetoric

1:17:11

and am not addressing

1:17:13

the real issues that were facing

1:17:16

so to put

1:17:18

but none this your opponent

1:17:20

is pro big why

1:17:23

roll election fast anti

1:17:25

access to abortion pro rocket launcher

1:17:28

and has no serious plan for

1:17:30

inflation or what zoc

1:17:32

correct

1:17:33

that sums it up yeah

1:17:35

good good so what's this

1:17:37

just one more time for the furthest thing is

1:17:39

they want to support tv hobbes

1:17:42

protect democracies make sure donald

1:17:45

trump's favorite candidate has now become governor

1:17:48

of a critical battleground state where they go to help

1:17:50

your sentence

1:17:51

katie had that org is the website

1:17:53

you can donate you can sign up to volunteer

1:17:56

we can absolutely use out of seat lawn

1:17:58

chairs for phone banking so

1:18:00

please help us meet can win the

1:18:03

phrase ah i'm ahead in the polls

1:18:05

the most recent poll has me leading by three points

1:18:08

and i've never lost an election

1:18:10

and the first democrats when secretary of state

1:18:13

and twenty four years here and

1:18:15

i've gotten the track record to protect the an

1:18:17

guy the seats are few heights you

1:18:19

i some to lose now so where

1:18:21

in this to win at an your your help

1:18:24

will absolutely hook get us there

1:18:25

cigarette have thank you so much

1:18:27

for joining us and good luck on the campaign trump

1:18:30

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