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morning, everybody, Happy Thursday. We have an amazing

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show for everybody today. What do we have, Krystal?

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Indeed, we do so. Ryan and Emilin

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yesterday hosted a big old

0:33

debate on Israel, Palestine,

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campus protests, free speech and all the

0:38

rest. It was Omar Badar and

0:40

Destiny or Stephen Banell or

0:43

mister.

0:43

Barelli Itelli Binell,

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Okay Banell, all right.

0:47

We'll go with that.

0:47

I hope I'm not screwing that up anyway. I

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watched the rough cut of it last night. We're gonna have it

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for premium subscribers tonight for

0:54

everybody else tomorrow, and Ryan and Amla

0:57

are going to join us to break down some of the highlights

0:59

from that debate and give us a little sneak peek, so

1:01

definitely want to tune in for that. At

1:03

the same time, we have some absolutely

1:07

unhinged media reaction

1:09

to the campus protests and the

1:12

also unhinged crackdown on those

1:14

protests. You are not going to believe some

1:16

of the things that were said, some of the things

1:18

that were claimed. I am losing my mind

1:20

over all of this. And we have a

1:22

completely unhinged congressional reaction

1:24

to all of this, by the way, as well, as they seek

1:26

to codify and ban certain

1:29

criticisms of Israel. Foreign government

1:32

not allowed to criticize that, so insanity

1:34

all the way around. The White House handling this in the worst

1:36

possible way, of course, So break

1:38

all of that down for you. At the same

1:40

time, we have a lot of news coming out of

1:43

Israel as ces fire talks continue, more

1:45

screw us from bb towards Biden

1:47

as his humiliation toward

1:49

continues. So we've got that for you. We also

1:51

have Trump World panicking over RFK

1:54

Junior as they realized this could actually be a problem

1:56

for them. He's on a lot of conservative

1:58

media. There's also some new poll numbers about

2:00

his vaccine views that could be challenging

2:03

for Trump and his positioning with his own base.

2:06

That we'll talk about that. We also have Marjorie Taylor

2:08

Green apparently still looking to follow through

2:10

on her threat to try to oust Mike Johnson,

2:12

even as Democrats say that they will save the speakers

2:14

since they love him now, since he got them their Ukraine

2:17

aid. And that's all kumbaya apparently with

2:19

the bipartist and war machine. And then

2:21

finally we had to add this in last night. I

2:24

can't even believe I'm saying these words. Another Boeing

2:27

whistleblower is now dead.

2:29

He's a forty five year old healthy man.

2:32

We'll tell it was a forty five year old healthy man.

2:34

Some illness. We'll tell a two weeks later he's

2:37

dead. So there you go. But

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let's go ahead and start with this big debate

2:42

with Ryan and Emily. We've pulled a couple of the highlights.

2:44

Like I said, I watched it last night. It really was extraordinary.

2:46

I'm super excited for you guys to be able to see it. Ryan

2:48

and Emily did a phenomenal job. We're

2:50

going to go ahead and bring them in now into the studio

2:52

so they can give us a breakdown of their experience.

2:55

So, as we just mentioned, Ryan and Emily

2:57

hosted kind of a major debate yesterday

2:59

between streamer Destiny real name

3:01

Stephen Banel and Omar

3:03

Batter, who is a fantastic expert

3:06

on the least in Israel Palastine specifically,

3:08

I got to watch the whole rough cut last night. First

3:10

of all, kudos to both of you, because it's

3:12

not easy. It's almost

3:15

harder when you're a duo. Saga

3:17

and I have experienced to know when to jump in, how

3:19

to manage it. It's a difficult

3:21

balance to keep things on the

3:24

rails but also to make sure that

3:26

they're able to engage with each other. I thought you guys

3:28

both to a fantastic job with that. Before

3:30

we've got a couple of like little highlight clips

3:33

that we want to share with the audience. But before I do that, I

3:35

mean, what was your kind of like, what was the vibe,

3:37

what was your sense of how all.

3:38

Questions, FIBs were good, vibes

3:42

were goodactly what you would expect. Yeah,

3:44

that conversation, Now I hadn't watched

3:46

previously they did a debate.

3:48

I didn't know.

3:48

That before we had booked them.

3:50

Yeah, so we kind of had to go back and figure out

3:52

what their dynamic was. They

3:55

had met before, and then they'd continued

3:57

to exchange these barbs online nasty

3:59

stuff to us.

4:01

We were not actually trying to go around keep yourself

4:03

right grudge match.

4:05

It just kind of yeah, yeah, but we also wanted

4:07

to make sure that it didn't go down a rabbit hole

4:10

of just personal because you know, the YouTube beef, sometimes

4:13

it's like it's it's inseparable. Sometimes

4:15

you're just like, well, you said this on this stream month, this day.

4:17

So we wanted to make sure that didn't happen.

4:18

And I think that worked.

4:19

Yeah, Yeah, it actually was pretty

4:22

substantive. Yeah, because

4:24

it's like, on the one hand, it's kind of embarrassing, you're

4:26

like, really, you're gonna have a streamer on

4:29

you just kind of only learned in October,

4:31

like said, like she says, like I learned in October

4:33

about this issue.

4:34

I didn't care about it before.

4:36

But he is an extremely

4:38

sharp guy, and he makes

4:40

a lot of the arguments that you see being made

4:42

from people in his camp.

4:44

Yeah, and he makes them very effectively.

4:45

Okay, so I think it's useful to

4:48

see how those can and can't

4:50

be you know, combat had counteracted,

4:52

and I think, uh, we also

4:55

brought it to a little bit of a higher level where

4:57

we ask questions about kind of broader

5:00

issues like racism,

5:04

islamophobia, anti Semitism, like

5:06

root causes and root solutions

5:08

to the conflict which can't which

5:11

which you can't really take those down a rabbit hole and

5:13

and kind of get distracted. And

5:16

I thought that was the most enlightening part.

5:18

The only other thing I would add to that is the

5:20

value of the way Destiny

5:23

approaches it is he says things that people

5:25

on his side think but probably would just tiptoe

5:28

around, wouldn't

5:29

actually actually

5:31

gets out of exactly and then right,

5:33

and then Omar can respond to that instead

5:35

of like, you know, tiptoeing around it.

5:38

It's useful to have the actual position laid

5:40

out because when you get into the well

5:42

I didn't say that, it's like, yeah, but you freaking

5:44

mean it. We all know what you mean to say, so that

5:46

is helpful when you actually like, just say it.

5:48

Just say that they're using cookies

5:50

to make rockets, for example, is one thing that came

5:53

up.

5:53

In the debated one.

5:55

In any case, the first clip we have for

5:57

you is an exchange about safe

5:59

soans in the context of like, okay, like if

6:01

you're a palacetint in Gaza, what

6:03

do you do. Let's take a listen to how that went

6:06

down.

6:06

Look, they've destroyed eighty percent of the building,

6:08

they've displayed it, They've displayed.

6:10

Through they've displaced ninety percent of the population.

6:12

Can you name any other conflict in which you displaced ninety

6:15

percent of the civilian pop.

6:16

Nation, because usually they just destroyed them. Do you think

6:18

it dressden they told the civilians to flee? Do you think in the

6:20

Tokyo fire bombs Saki

6:23

Hairoshima and we tell the civilians to leave? Can you can

6:25

you acknowledge what he just was incredibly fucking stupid

6:27

that, No, they don't sell civilians to leave first.

6:29

Normally they just kill.

6:30

Them ycause.

6:33

Because because he thinks, because he thinks that that's

6:35

a clever line, let me explain something to you.

6:37

He's not going to I'm going to acknowledge.

6:39

I'm going to acknowledge that, yes, they told civilians to

6:41

leave and then they dropped massive two

6:43

thousand bombs on the safe

6:45

zones.

6:46

That they told the civilians.

6:47

Just want to say, no,

6:49

the beach or whatever.

6:50

There have been countless incidents

6:52

of them dropping.

6:53

Now you're just lying.

6:54

I looked it up, like all the data on all

6:56

the same four hours of roads make Safe

6:59

York. They Guarantee Travels investigation

7:01

that attackers.

7:02

A New York Times investigation, and there's an NBC investigation.

7:05

Both of them document the fact that Israel is bombing

7:07

safe zones where they tell civilians to flee.

7:09

And real investigations

7:11

hold on it.

7:12

It's really admitted at CNN that intelligence

7:14

indication that these places were safe houses for commanders

7:16

of the Row of a brigade of the Hamas Terra organization.

7:19

This is back in December about bombing areas

7:21

that were supposed to be evacuation

7:23

routes.

7:24

Evacuation routes are not safe zones.

7:25

There's been one official declared they

7:28

shouldn't Hams not operate from there.

7:30

I mean, we're talking again, that's a good question question.

7:33

Okay, So they're

7:36

talking about Al Malassie. Is what he I think

7:38

is referring to there? And I want to

7:40

get your reaction, which is so I was gonna say.

7:41

I asked him if that's what he was referring to. I

7:43

like wrote it down on a piece of paper. Because we had it fact checked

7:46

and I handed it over.

7:47

To him and he said, yes, yes, that's it a Malasi, So

7:50

we covered when they at first we're

7:52

like, go to Al Malassie. There's like nothing, there's

7:55

no infrastructure, there's not sufficient

7:57

sanitation, water, food, it's

8:00

or the idea that millions of Palestinians

8:02

could shelter in this area is preposterous.

8:05

But he's kind of getting this technicality of like, well,

8:07

this is the official safe zone, so

8:09

no, no, no safe roots, evacuation roots,

8:11

that doesn't count. I'm talking about specifically

8:14

this one safe zone.

8:15

And I think this was I think

8:18

why it's useful for people to see this. This was

8:20

the most kind of bitchy,

8:23

nasty back and forth, whereas

8:25

I think everything else was a little bit calmer

8:28

and more reason might not

8:30

be the word, but reason like that that was the.

8:32

Kind of it was. I mean, you were kind of bad. There

8:34

wasn't a bitchiness, which I don't mind.

8:36

Right, I thought this was

8:38

the height of it.

8:39

This was one of the more like tense

8:42

you know, and sort of message.

8:43

It wasn't that bad.

8:44

I've seen it, you know, ten times worse, and it is more

8:46

you know, a shout out to your guys's moderation.

8:49

How was it with Omar as well, Like, in

8:51

terms of the challenging questions, did you throw it to

8:53

him?

8:53

More?

8:53

Was Destiny throwing things to him? How is it handling that?

8:56

Uh?

8:56

Destiny was actually I thought respectful

8:59

in this of Omar's time, and in

9:01

a way that I was worried he might not be like when

9:04

we would come in and be like, look, just look

9:07

enough, let him respond, he would actually

9:09

he would actually let him respond. Omar

9:12

was very good at not taking

9:14

the bait. There he called him

9:16

what effing stupid? Yeah, that's right. At

9:19

another time he said, I

9:21

think you're probably more anti Semitic than than

9:23

we even know, or something like just

9:25

just a nasty personal attack that

9:27

was completely baseless, And he didn't

9:30

really take the bait. And

9:32

because I think he understood that Destiny

9:35

was going to try to steal Destiny.

9:42

I had Kyle and I interviewed Omar

9:44

shortly after his last debate with

9:47

Destiny, and a debate

9:49

that he found to be extremely frustrating.

9:52

And he's he's not a YouTuber

9:54

like we are, right, he didn't know who

9:56

Destiny was, and he consumed

9:58

his content so we didn't really want he agreed to the debate.

10:01

I think he didn't initially, like the first one,

10:03

really know what he was getting. And

10:06

so I think between then and this one,

10:08

I think he was able to develop better

10:10

strategies for handling some of the tactics

10:13

that were thrown out. I mean, Destney is

10:15

is like, obviously he has assimilated

10:17

a large amount of information about this conflict

10:19

in a very short period of time, a large amount of propaganda

10:22

talking points in my opinion, in a very short period

10:24

of time. He's able to roll

10:26

them out very effectively. There

10:28

was nothing you guys asked him about that he wasn't ready

10:31

with an answer that he hadn't thought through, that he wasn't

10:33

able to do. And I mean his whole thing and

10:35

why he's popular and successful where he's a

10:37

debate bro. So he's good at this.

10:40

And so it seemed to me like Omar was

10:42

able to kind of come up

10:44

with some better strategies than the first time

10:46

that he met up with Destiny

10:48

that created the initial like you know, whatever

10:51

you too, beef situation.

10:54

Kind of meta identifying what Destiny

10:56

was doing, yes, saying like okay, in this

10:58

moment, what you are doing trying.

11:00

To get me to chase this right so

11:02

that you can avoid.

11:03

Answering yeah, because he would say, okay,

11:05

wait to raise a totally irrelevant rabbit hole

11:07

point that's going to like distract me in this direction.

11:10

But I'm going to focus on yes, that's that he did

11:12

do again.

11:12

Otherwise you'll say, well, you're avoiding

11:14

answer At this point, it's like, well, the reason I'm avoiding

11:17

is because it's just a distraction.

11:18

Well, we have a second clips here that we can play

11:20

about the March of Return. This was another

11:22

interesting moment that we wanted highlight for everybody.

11:25

Let's take a listen and we'll get the reaction on the other side.

11:27

Towards the end of the Great Marshal Return, there were people that

11:29

were throwing stones, that were setting over incendiary

11:31

balloons that were causing like fires to spread

11:33

on the other side of the fence. All this is documented

11:35

even by the UN and that was when the majority of

11:37

the firing from the Israeli police happened. If

11:40

you want to say that they shouldn't be shooting at people who were

11:42

close to the fence because you don't like that policy or whatever, that's

11:44

fine, But characterizing that is like just open

11:46

firing into a bunch of innocent people that are standing

11:49

there with the goal of just maiming people for no reason.

11:51

Is the most unbelievable retelling of what happenedwar

11:54

to the end of that event, that's exactly what happened.

11:56

Actually, just to characterize it, just

11:58

you know, get an even more complete pick.

12:00

Sure.

12:00

Israeli policy is people in Gaza have

12:02

no right to go in and out of the

12:04

cage that they've been placed into, their complete

12:06

siege, their economies and shambles because

12:08

Israel does not allow them to trade with the outside world. They

12:11

can't have an airport because Israel doesn't feel

12:13

like they are entitled to an airport, can't have a seaport.

12:16

You know, when you look at the rates of unemployment over fifty

12:18

percent in Gaza at the time, And if those people

12:20

who are trapped in this cage come a little too close

12:23

to the border, then we open fire at them and kill them, even when

12:25

they're unarmed, because that's border policy.

12:26

If this is something that more than If this is something.

12:29

It's more than six thousand.

12:30

According to the un quote unquote, more

12:32

than six thousand unarmed demonstrators

12:34

were shot by military snipers week after week

12:36

at the protest sites and the separation fence.

12:38

There's no denying that.

12:39

Yes, some people try to open up, and some people

12:41

send insidiary balloons over the border and so on,

12:43

but by and large, when you look at the cases, human rights

12:46

organizations have been clear about the fact that people were

12:48

targeted when they posed absolutely no threat

12:50

to Israeli soldiers.

12:51

So Israeli soldiers open fire on.

12:52

People and targeted specifically metics journalists

12:55

and children that is, and.

12:56

People who are game

12:58

that's being played when we say posed no

13:00

threat to Israeli soldiers. There was

13:02

one un report that came out that analyzed it the

13:04

claim that every single shooting except for one was unjustified.

13:07

But the way that they got that is they didn't analyze that

13:09

as an armed conflict.

13:10

They analyzed that as a policing event.

13:12

And when you analyze things internationally as a policing event,

13:14

typically police aren't allowed to shootor kill anybod unless

13:16

they pose a direct threat to the individual.

13:18

Why would why would they analyzed as

13:20

an armed conflict If one side wasn't dark.

13:21

Because Hamas was present, it

13:25

doesn't matter if they were shooting. If you've got an enemy. If you've

13:27

got an enemy military that is present amongst

13:29

people that are that are there

13:32

was no ammas, is considered

13:34

oppositional force.

13:35

And if you've got people that are participating and you.

13:37

Don't have guns not

13:40

of course nothing to do with a

13:43

clear about the fact that the situation. You can only kill

13:45

combatants if they're in combat and they're armed.

13:47

You can't somebody, absolutely not.

13:49

You do not become yster combat You do not.

13:51

You not do you not all of a sudden gain the protections of a

13:53

civilian if you're an enemy combatant without a gun.

13:56

If you have to google

14:03

l let's do that. Just to

14:05

go back to a point that you made earlier about sort of I

14:08

just.

14:08

Wanted just so you're saying that like if if there's a military

14:10

and you're fighting the enemy, you guys going to if you just drop

14:12

your guns, you can just like run back and nobody can.

14:15

If you drop your guns and raise your arms, you can't know that surrendering.

14:17

That's different than running away.

14:19

You can't drop your guns and just run away, and

14:21

you can't get shock because you're no firef.

14:23

Okay, that exchanged my meal and

14:25

saying Ryan was your reaction after this, and

14:28

I.

14:28

Thought the whole March of Return conversation

14:30

was was interesting from beginning to end

14:32

because he just kind of mentioned the March

14:35

of Return as something that you

14:37

as an example of something that

14:39

Hamas had done that had kind of triggered Israel

14:42

to like attack it, and Omar

14:44

and I pointed out it was a civil society led non

14:46

violent action, and that

14:49

that later led into I thought the most useful

14:51

conversation, which was that you

14:53

know, Hamas was pressured by the

14:56

non violent civil society led March

14:58

of Return into eventually

15:01

supporting it. They didn't want to because it takes away

15:03

from their argument, which is that only armed

15:05

resistance is appropriate against Israel.

15:08

And it made our point that the way

15:10

to dismantle the ideology of Hamas

15:12

is through non violence, is through peace, is

15:15

through reaching a deal with

15:17

the Palestinians.

15:19

It is the violence by.

15:21

The Israelis towards the Palestinians that actually

15:23

supports the ideology

15:26

of Hamas, and that I thought was the most

15:28

interesting part of the debate to tackle

15:30

that broader subject.

15:32

Because that was really

15:34

important. I thought that you brought up a couple of times

15:36

Ryan that if you look at Hamas

15:39

popularity. It plummets

15:41

when there's an actual possibility of negotiated

15:43

peace and when there's not, and when

15:46

it feels to Palestinians like my only chance

15:48

is armed, like nothing else is working.

15:50

We do the Great March of Return, it's overwhelmingly

15:52

non violent, and we get snipers firing at

15:54

us, like what the hell are we supposed to do here? That's

15:57

one support predictably, and also

15:59

when your mom and your brother and your sister are

16:01

being slaughtered, guess what, that's probably

16:03

going to create a lot more commitment to you.

16:05

And Destiny understands that on the other side, because

16:07

he's he's very quick to say, look, the second

16:10

reason, the reason Israeli is one of the genocide

16:12

the Palestinians is because of the second

16:14

and they fought in the suicide bombings.

16:17

Why doesn't it work.

16:18

The other way?

16:19

Well, of course it does.

16:20

I also thought that exchange, though, was

16:22

very illustrative of a

16:24

technique that he uses very effective, which

16:27

is it got bogged down in this question about

16:29

like you know, arms comeback and dropping

16:32

your weapons or whatever.

16:33

It's like international did you and

16:35

whether it was a.

16:35

Police action or military action.

16:41

It takes you away from the basic facts

16:44

that because this is what people well, if if

16:47

you know, Palestinians had their own gandhi,

16:49

if they had their own non violent it could be over so

16:51

quickly. And it's like, well, they tried that, and

16:54

so you get away from these basic facts of

16:57

they tried that and thousands

16:59

of them were with sniper bullets

17:01

and intentionally maimed, and medics and journalists

17:03

target All of this is accurate document and by human

17:05

rights organizations. It gets you away from those

17:07

very uncomfortable facts and arguing about

17:10

some little minor technicality that he's

17:12

educated himself on and everyone's else like I

17:14

don't really know about it.

17:15

There's a strategic and moral question of whether

17:17

it is good for either

17:20

cause to kill unarmed protesters,

17:22

right, and then there's the legal question

17:24

of whether or not they are engaged,

17:27

you know, whether or not they're allowed to kill them, because hamas

17:29

count is police or hamas count as combatants

17:31

who are somewhere within the vicinity, and

17:33

so they're like, right, So we kept

17:35

trying to push it back to the strategic and moral and

17:37

ethical questions and keep it away from

17:40

these rabbit holes.

17:41

Any last thoughts, simile, Well.

17:43

You know, I think to the extent that you can have a

17:45

spoiler for a debate. What Crystal

17:47

just mentioned about Ryan's point on peace

17:50

support for peace declining in

17:53

those particular moments is the

17:56

devastating that I felt like, and that comes

17:58

towards the end. I felt like that was clearly a

18:00

moment where we all sort of looked around and we're like, this

18:02

is but he kind of, I don't want

18:04

to say he changed the terms, but then he said, but you

18:06

know, we're talking about peace from a Western perspective.

18:09

What both sides really want is justice,

18:11

and that is again like

18:14

coming to that later in the debate. We just

18:16

sort of looked around, We're.

18:17

Like, you know, and

18:20

then he dips into weird oriental stuff.

18:22

Okay, well so as we as

18:24

we already it's a two hour

18:26

debate, literally two hours to the mark.

18:28

It was actually hard to wrap.

18:30

Yeah, I've been there.

18:32

Yeah, no, we were getting the messages in real

18:34

time our max like, you know, you could probably wrap up

18:36

now. And then it goes into the whole conversation about

18:39

human shields, which is another interesting moment.

18:42

Human shields. Okay, when the idf

18:44

uses them based on again some

18:46

you know, legalies whatever cookies

18:49

being used to build rockets. That's another interesting

18:52

moment.

18:52

Yes, and it's also I just wanted it's not

18:54

a total pileon, and we maybe made it sound

18:57

like that, but like, there are some things that I agree

18:59

with Destiny, and there were some moments

19:01

where we pushed Omar and he was a good faith

19:03

willing to engage it.

19:04

I think, so I think people, I think

19:07

people who watch it, even

19:09

if you you know, if you share Destiny's view, if

19:11

you share Omar's view, I think you're gonna feel

19:13

like your view was well represented, right.

19:16

I mean, and that's all we can ask for.

19:17

Yeah, that's absolutely right. You guys did a really effective

19:20

job, like I said, moderating it, creating

19:23

that climate, I think, making everybody feel like

19:25

they had a chance. I also will just say, as

19:27

like, having watched so many of these

19:29

Israel debates at this point, one on

19:31

one is so much better. It's so then when

19:33

you have the panel for four people andever

19:35

you try, it's so much better to

19:37

have had Omar and Destiny have it

19:40

well moderated. That to me is like the

19:42

best model. I think that's why you were able

19:44

to get to so much, so many interesting substantive

19:46

conversations I'm very excited for people to

19:49

watch that. I'm really excited about you guys doing the Friday

19:51

show because I think this is just a great preview

19:53

of things to come.

19:54

This is an awesome proof of cons.

19:56

Ryan's getting fashion tips from Don, Ryan's

19:58

getting better.

19:59

Just what else could we have?

20:00

The record I had this last spring, which that's

20:03

all.

20:05

That's right, Don's ready describe to

20:07

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20:08

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for what we're all about. And I guess with that, let's get

20:18

to the show.

20:21

So, as you guys likely know, and Ryan and nominally

20:24

covered very ably yesterday there

20:26

was a massive police crackdown across

20:28

New York City colleges, including at Columbia

20:31

University, and the next

20:33

day morning, Joe, of course, ready to

20:35

manufacture consent, they brought on the Deputy

20:37

Commissioner of Police to make some extraordinary

20:40

claims about some of the tools

20:42

that these protesters were using

20:45

at what Hamilton Hall, what they named

20:47

Hins Hall. Let's take a listen, tell us about this

20:49

change.

20:50

Yeah, so when we will.

20:54

This is not what students bring to school, okayshals

20:57

bring to campuses and universities.

21:00

These are heavy industrial

21:02

chains that were locked with Bilock bike

21:04

locks. And this is what we encountered

21:06

on every door inside a Hamilton hall

21:09

and so in order for our emergency services group

21:11

to into the building, they

21:13

had to first cut through these chains.

21:15

Heavy industrial chains.

21:17

This saga is what professionals bring.

21:20

This isn't what students would have access

21:22

to, which plays into this whole trope

21:24

that was being pushed relentlessly on CNN

21:26

and other places that oh it was actually this

21:28

isn't even students. This is outside agitators

21:31

to make this like super extra scary. It

21:33

didn't take long for people to pull up. This

21:35

is literally a bikelock that

21:38

is sold by Columbia University.

21:41

At the Columbia University gift shop, literally

21:43

the exact same one, which is very

21:45

likely where they bought it from. It

21:48

is really hilarious and it's also one of those

21:50

where just this morning, Crystal mayor Eric

21:52

Adams actually was asked on

21:54

MSNBC how many people who were

21:56

not Columbia University students were

21:59

arrested. Approximately three hundred of the people who were

22:01

arrested, he's only able to name two

22:03

so far that we're there, which is actually far

22:05

below the average at University

22:07

of Texas, Austin and others where you actually

22:10

saw a majority of the people at some of those protests

22:12

which were arrested, which were not students. But in this particular

22:15

case, it does seem that the absolute vast

22:17

majority two hundred and ninety eight out of three hundred so

22:19

far confirmed to have been students at Columbia

22:21

University.

22:22

Yeah, and I mean, just how you understand

22:24

why this was like an

22:26

important propaganda point, and

22:28

Anderson Cooper was pushing this, the police

22:30

department was pushing this whole narrative

22:33

of like, we don't even think this is students. We think this is

22:35

outside agitators. Is because outside

22:37

agitator sounds like crazy, scary,

22:40

violent radicals, whereas college

22:42

kids, you're like, these are college students

22:45

who've been camping out, who are engaging

22:47

in the sort of protest techniques that we've seen, you

22:49

know, for decades that are sort of tried

22:51

and true. Even if you don't like them or agree with them,

22:53

or disagree with them, whatever, it's a

22:55

very different valence when

22:57

you're crafting this narrative about these Gary

23:00

radical outside agitators

23:03

coming in with professional, industrial

23:05

grade chains, then college

23:07

students who have bikelocks that they

23:09

bought at the campus bookstore.

23:11

Yeah, it's just totally ridiculous what we've seen

23:13

from a lot of the NYPD, I.

23:15

Will say, the outside agitator.

23:17

Like I said, I initially I was skeptical

23:19

but willing to believe some of it because of the UT

23:21

Austin numbers that had previously come

23:23

out. The other thing is that Columbia University

23:25

and the NYPD put together an entire presentation

23:28

before the raid somewhere around eight pm

23:30

where they specifically highlighted students

23:33

or people who were wearing ski masks

23:35

and others that were entering the building, specifically

23:37

saying that these individuals were from

23:40

outside of the university. And it's like, well,

23:42

okay, and again, if you'll remember when

23:44

we were all talking about this live, I said, this will be a great

23:46

claim to check after the arrests

23:48

have been made, whether they were telling the truth or

23:51

not. And I think people should also understand this

23:53

is a key pretext for the launch

23:55

of the raid on Columbia University.

23:57

Yes, there was Hamilton Hall being

24:00

keep hied, the property damage and all of that, but

24:02

the actual pretext, if you look at the

24:04

letter that was sent by Columbia University

24:06

to NYPD very specifically highlights

24:09

that it claims that were non students that were inside

24:11

of the hall.

24:11

That's really important. And I also want to point

24:14

out because you know, the windows that were

24:16

broken and the occupation of Hamilton Hall

24:18

was used as a pretext for this. Like I

24:20

mean, you saw how many police

24:23

and riot gear and the heavy yell artillery

24:25

and all of this. Okay, but it

24:27

didn't just happen at Columbia University.

24:30

You know, at City College, which is just up the street

24:32

about twenty blocks that I actually used to live right

24:34

there in that neighborhood in Northern Manhattan.

24:37

There were by all accounts, entirely

24:39

peaceful protests far as I know, there were no

24:42

was no even property damage, no buildings

24:44

occupied or anything. And they still

24:46

had this overwhelming police

24:49

crackdown of the sort that we've seen, you know, on

24:51

campuses across the country. So

24:53

and also obviously this is not the

24:55

normal response for broken windows and trespassing.

24:58

I think we get all see very clearly the

25:00

reason for their response is because

25:02

They don't want the dissent. They

25:05

want to make sure this entire movement

25:07

is completely crushed. It's all

25:09

a method of avoiding the

25:12

conversation about what these students are actually

25:14

protesting and whether or not their

25:16

cause is actually just. But we've

25:19

got more for you from the NYPD.

25:21

This is Rebecca Winer, head

25:23

of the NYPD counter Terrorism

25:26

Bureau, talking about why this response

25:28

was necessary. Take a lesson.

25:30

This is not about students expressing

25:33

ideas. It is about

25:35

a change in tactics that presents

25:37

a concern, and a normalization and

25:39

mainstreaming of rhetoric.

25:41

And I'm not just talking about language. I'm now

25:43

talking about tactics and that's what shifted

25:46

our response yesterday. But a normalization

25:49

and mainstreaming of rhetoric associated

25:51

with terrorism that has now become pretty

25:54

common on college campuses.

25:57

Right.

25:57

You see people wearing

25:59

headbands associated with foreign terrorist

26:01

organizations. This happened

26:03

in October when you had a viral

26:06

TikTok reissuing of Osama

26:08

bin Laden's two thousand and two letter to

26:10

America.

26:12

So that's a larger concern.

26:13

It's separate from what happened yesterday, but

26:16

they're related. We do not want

26:18

ideas. We do not want campuses,

26:21

which are where people are supposed to be learning

26:24

and being in a conducive environment for

26:27

all of the things that we do in schools being

26:30

turned into places where people are committing

26:33

vandalism, property damage, and committing

26:35

crimes.

26:36

I like the part where she says we don't want ideas.

26:39

That's very clear. I mean, this is

26:41

Listen. You can hate their cause, you

26:43

can hate their speech, you can think

26:45

that it's, you know, the same thing that a terrorist.

26:47

It doesn't matter. There is no car

26:50

mount in the First Amendment for hate speech

26:52

or ideas you don't like. And that's

26:54

what's so ridiculous about this and the whole of

26:56

government and whole of media effort to

26:59

censor, crush, and criminalize

27:02

certain speech critical of Israel.

27:04

It's insane, and that's what's happening right now.

27:06

I mean, we're got to get to it in terms of the House

27:08

of Representative's passage of its anti semitism

27:10

while I mean, this is one of the biggest fringe infringes

27:13

upon the First Amendment since World War

27:15

One. If you go back and you look at some

27:18

of the anti war acts that were imposed

27:20

at that time on Americans who were trying

27:22

to dissent from the war machine of

27:24

that time about one hundred years ago. So this is

27:26

an extraordinary moment. And it's not

27:28

even for a war where American troops are

27:30

dying. Isn't that a little interesting in terms

27:32

of the war powers willing to basically

27:34

insert and totalitarianize

27:37

our democracy on behalf of

27:39

a foreign power which is prosecuting a war.

27:41

Similarly, Crystal, I think it's very important. I

27:43

realized we haven't even had a chance to react to

27:45

some of the things going on at Columbia.

27:47

And I think people can say, you know, I'm not like a pro

27:50

Kefia person or any of this, but I

27:52

did a lot of research and I have to

27:54

be honest so tact fact, when

27:56

we looked previously at Hamilton Hall and the

27:58

occupation, I said, I think the line because

28:01

in property damage of vandalism and trespassing.

28:03

However, I do think and again, and this is kind

28:06

of where the discourse breaks apart.

28:07

People are like, well, what would you expect?

28:09

And I don't have any problem with arresting

28:11

those individuals, but we have to

28:13

come back to some of the original response

28:16

to January sixth. So immediately in the

28:18

aftermath of January sixth, Crystal,

28:20

you and I were sitting here in our studio. I'll never

28:22

forget, not here but over at the hill, and I'll

28:24

never forget, you know, having to go through Bagdad

28:27

like checkpoints, you know, to get to our office.

28:29

Yeah, a full federalization. So again

28:32

we were talking there about Okay, so the people should

28:34

be prosecuted, certainly, right, people who entered

28:36

the capital unlawfully. But does

28:39

it mean that we should be prosecuting this domestic terrorists?

28:41

Does it mean that we should have spent half a billion dollars,

28:43

you know, locking down our entire capital,

28:45

deploying the National Guard, trying to institute

28:47

a Patriot Act two point zero. And that's where I would

28:49

really urge people, where, even if you are skeptical

28:52

or even outright oppositional

28:54

to some of these protesters, I would urge proportionality

28:57

in a response. And watching one thousand

29:00

and NYPD police officers basically

29:02

walk into Colombia, it's one of the most insane things

29:04

I've ever seen. You know, Again, we can arrest

29:07

people, and we can have the situation

29:09

handled in a proportional manner

29:12

relative to the crime that is being committed.

29:14

Another thing is and I'll be honest, I didn't actually

29:16

know this is I went back and did some research.

29:19

So back in nineteen eighty five, I talked

29:21

previously about how protesters

29:23

had occupied Hamilton Hall previously.

29:25

Protesters actually occupied Hamilton

29:28

Hall for three weeks in nineteen eighty five,

29:30

and actually it led to a Columbia

29:33

University vote of divestment

29:35

from apartheid South Africa at

29:37

the time. So I have to be real, I have

29:39

a lot more sympathy now for the people who

29:41

did this, because the university itself

29:44

has a long history of

29:46

both, you know, allowing these types

29:48

of things to happen and also even following

29:51

through with their demands. I don't even necessarily

29:53

agree with the fact that you should be able to trespass

29:56

on a hall and then your university three

29:58

weeks later is going to you know, bout your demands,

30:00

but you did it already in the past.

30:02

So not only that, based

30:05

upon all of their recruiting materials,

30:07

they have consistently said Columbia

30:09

is a state of social justice action. They

30:12

brag about the Hamilton Hall occupation of nineteen

30:14

sixty eight and nineteen eighty five. They talk

30:16

specifically about how their student body is

30:18

like highly socially engaged.

30:21

So it is very clear here that we are acting

30:23

in a different manner as opposed to

30:25

Israel. So I think then that and I

30:27

want people to hear this from somebody like me, who's not necessarily

30:29

the most sympathetic person. I want them to understand

30:32

that, Look, a thousand people coming

30:34

in to a private university

30:37

under these pretexts and basically,

30:39

you know, occupying this campus.

30:41

Whenever you have a long history of allowing

30:44

such behavior in the past

30:46

and bragging about it, that is very,

30:48

very different, you know, this time around.

30:50

So we can have law and order, and we can have proportionality,

30:53

and we can also understand, I think where

30:55

there is a clear exception being made now

30:57

here in the case of Israel, and in that

30:59

you know, I have to object as an American citizen

31:02

for what's happening.

31:03

Amen to all of that, And I

31:05

mean, listen, just ask

31:07

yourself, right, like I said before,

31:10

what is the normal response to a broken window

31:12

and trespassing? Is it a thousand

31:14

police in rya gear. I'm pretty

31:17

sure there's some other criminal activities

31:19

happening in New York City where those cups might

31:21

be useful. The smearing

31:24

of these students as actual terrorists

31:27

by the NYPD, by

31:30

you know, the mourning Joe. It's

31:33

so I really am losing my mind

31:35

over this because we're about to get into what happened

31:38

at UCLA as well. In

31:40

terms of a protest movement, like

31:43

we can debate tactics, we've debated tactics.

31:45

Even within the movement. There's debates about what tactics

31:47

work, and what's going to win people over and what's not going

31:50

to be effective, et cetera. That's all fine

31:52

and good, But in terms of

31:54

a protest movement, which is

31:56

massive in scale and size

31:58

and nationwide, et cetera, they've

32:00

been about as perfect as you could get. There

32:02

have been so few instances

32:06

of even property damage

32:08

that it's actually incredible when you

32:10

have this many human beings, some

32:13

of whom are gonna be a loll out there

32:15

that doesn't undermine the justice of their cause

32:17

in this particular instance. But you're gonna have radicals,

32:20

you're gonna have weirdos, you're gonna have freed that's human

32:22

beings. Okay. The fact that you've

32:24

had so few instances

32:26

that are even colorably violent

32:30

is actually astonishing. And when

32:32

you look at what happened at UCLA, the

32:35

one instance where we had genuine

32:37

violence. It is now very

32:39

clear that it was nearly,

32:42

if not entirely, one

32:45

sided pro Israel

32:47

counterprotesters coming in, shooting

32:50

fireworks at them, busting

32:52

down their encampment, assaulting them for

32:54

hours, with the police

32:56

nowhere to be seen. So we're gonna talk about

32:59

student safety. Dozens

33:01

of anti war protesters,

33:04

some of whom may well have been Jewish, since

33:06

this is the concern of the day, which

33:08

listen, I think old people, including

33:10

Jewish people, should be safe. You had

33:12

dozens of students sent to the hospital. Where's

33:15

a media concern about those students' safety.

33:18

Clearly, this risk to

33:20

student safety has been in the crackdown

33:23

and has been from these counter protesters who

33:25

are again were allowed to assault them and

33:27

run wild for hours. Where

33:30

were the riot cops then, in

33:32

their gear with their heavy artillery to protect

33:34

students when they actually were

33:36

needed. They were nowhere to be found.

33:39

And the UCLA rent a cop,

33:41

security guards or whatever they had. They were

33:43

treated in hidden and building and were

33:45

such cowards they locked out

33:47

the student journalists who

33:49

had been given agreement that they could

33:52

retreat into that building if their safety

33:54

was under threat, and by the way, their safety was

33:56

under threat. Four of them were assaulted, according

33:59

to the LA Time this morning, were assaulted

34:02

by those pro Israel counterprotesters.

34:04

Where's the media outrage about that? Where's

34:07

the concern about Jewish student safety about

34:09

any of that? Instead you

34:12

get this completely insane

34:14

commentary from Dana Bash.

34:17

She Dana or Dana, We'll go with both. Whoever.

34:21

Dana Bash, who is supposedly

34:24

first of all, she's a congression

34:26

christ but she's not foreign affairs, she's

34:28

not opinion, and yet she had the

34:31

most insane take on

34:33

this whole situation. I can scarcely

34:35

even believe it. Take a listen to what this lady

34:37

had to say.

34:38

Many of these protests started peacefully

34:40

with legitimate questions about

34:42

the war, but in many cases they

34:45

lost the plot. They're calling for a ceasefire,

34:47

Well there was a ceasefire on October

34:50

sixth, the day before Hamas terrorists

34:52

brutally murdered more than one thousand people

34:55

inside Israel and took hundreds

34:57

more as hostages. Making Jewish

34:59

students I feel unsafe at their own

35:01

schools is unacceptable and

35:03

it is happening way too much right

35:06

now.

35:08

I'm a Ucile A student.

35:09

I deserve to go here.

35:11

We pay tuition, this is our school, and

35:13

they're not letting me walk in my classes over

35:15

there. I want to use that entrance.

35:17

Why can't Will you let me go in? This

35:19

could be over in a second.

35:20

Just let me and my friends go in.

35:24

Again.

35:25

What you just saw is twenty twenty four in

35:27

Los Angeles. Hearkening back to

35:29

the nineteen thirties in Europe. And I do

35:31

not say that lightly. The fear among

35:34

Jews in this country is palpable

35:36

right now.

35:37

So one video of someone

35:39

claiming, which how many of these freaking hoaxes

35:41

have we seen at this point? That they're being blocked

35:44

from going to class, and it's nineteen

35:46

thirties in Europe. It's the equivalent

35:48

to the Holocaust and millions of Jews

35:51

being being murdered

35:53

on an industrial scale. This is

35:56

so completely insane, especially

35:59

Saga, given the fact that we know the

36:01

bulk of the violence. Violence has been perpetrated

36:04

against the anti war protesters.

36:06

And this is a look, I believe very strongly

36:08

an equal application of the law. And I think that

36:10

those protesters you know, who were having

36:12

it took four hours for the LAPD to

36:15

come in.

36:15

I think it's outrageous.

36:16

It's very clearly that they just didn't feel

36:18

like getting involved. Their excuse was that what

36:21

that they didn't have enough troops or something like that,

36:23

which I just simply don't believe honestly, because they

36:25

had campus security there as well. The other

36:27

thing is, you know, time for a little history lesson

36:29

there, Dana. I believe it is Dana, by the way,

36:31

I just looked it up. So for the

36:34

nineteen thirties Germany, do people really want

36:36

to know what happened? There were thousands

36:39

of actual street brawls

36:42

in the street between

36:44

the Nazis, between the

36:46

center right parties, the socialists, the

36:49

communists. I mean, it was an absolute

36:51

bloodbath. Thousands, tens

36:53

of thousands of people were killed in

36:55

street violence. There wasn't an actually state

36:58

violence necessarily, and in fact,

37:00

the vacuum of power and all of that at the time

37:02

the chaos is eventually what led

37:04

to some of the rise of the Nazi Party.

37:06

And that's exactly why so many of

37:09

our brain dead comparisons to the nineteen

37:11

thirties are frankly insulting, you know, to

37:13

people who lived through the period

37:15

of wy Mar Germany and saw what

37:17

happened at that time of violence perpetrated

37:20

against Jews. I mean, every once in a while I'll

37:22

see somebody, for example, you know, I said

37:24

here, I said, I think it crosses the line to break

37:26

into Hamilton Hall. And then I go online and

37:28

people are like, this is Christalnacht because

37:31

there's some broken glass, and I'm like, oh

37:34

again again, Okay, it is deeply

37:37

insulting to these survivors

37:39

of Christalnacht to compare

37:41

the occupation and the breaking into Hamilton

37:44

Hall to what happened in nineteen

37:46

thirties Germany.

37:47

But this is in a.

37:47

Consistent Holocaust denial, honestly

37:51

acts as being anything

37:54

like the acts that led.

37:55

Up to that.

37:56

Of course, I mean, it'd be like saying that any

37:58

time that you detain some that they're

38:00

like slaves, or you know, any time that you

38:03

have you know, even if you have a

38:05

I don't know, Like it's like comparing affirmative

38:07

action to Jim Crow or something. Right, you could say

38:09

it is a policy like Jim

38:11

Crow, or like a policy that has the

38:13

echoes of something, But even then

38:16

I think it's outrageous and frankly insulting.

38:18

So here again, like everybody,

38:20

calm down. You know, I even pulled

38:22

the numbers and went back Hamilton Hall

38:24

this time around was roughly half the number,

38:27

actually less than half of the number of people

38:29

who were arrested in nineteen sixty eight. There were

38:31

over seven hundred people were arrested and had

38:33

a lot.

38:34

Of other buildings.

38:34

They occupied quite a lot of other buildings. There was actually

38:37

a shitload more violence than also

38:39

at the time, And that's part of why I'm just like, look,

38:41

guys, everybody, just take a chill pill.

38:44

It is not nineteen thirties Germany. We've

38:46

gotten through ten times worse in

38:48

our country, not even you know, a lot that

38:50

long ago. It's everybody's

38:53

fine. And yet for some reason,

38:55

you know, everything is just getting ratcheted

38:57

up. Where these you know, a CNN anchor

39:00

who that let's be honest, he probably has personal security

39:02

or something like that. You know, mal time millionaire,

39:04

longtime denizen of Washington. You're not

39:06

unsafe, your kids aren't unsafe. Everybody's

39:09

fine. If you are unsafe, it's because there's what

39:11

shitload of crime here in DC. Four people

39:13

got shot yesterday here in our city.

39:16

I don't hear them complaining about that. That's not nineteen

39:18

thirties Germany.

39:19

It's not because it's like protesters and GW

39:21

twos.

39:21

Because of protesters at GWA, exactly

39:24

right. It's that's the big

39:26

problem that we have.

39:27

I would love to take a shill pill Soccer,

39:29

because I'm losing my mind over this.

39:31

Point, over the media reaction.

39:32

I'm saying, you're not saying, like I am physically unsafe

39:34

now at this moment, and that's what I'm talking.

39:36

No, I know, I know, I just yeah,

39:38

I can't believe what

39:41

a bunch of liars these people are. Like

39:43

I can't believe how fake this all

39:45

is. I can't believe how manufactured

39:47

it is that now you have. I mean,

39:49

we just showed you a little slice

39:52

of a completely insane media reaction.

39:55

Now College, they're Nazis, they're terrorists,

39:58

they're hummus, they deserve or you

40:00

know, the equivalent to nineteen thirties

40:02

Germany, when again, the

40:06

one violent protest, it was

40:08

entirely because and caused

40:10

by and perpetrated by pro

40:12

Israel protesters assaulting anti war

40:15

protesters. And it is so clear

40:18

what the game is. It's so clear what the

40:20

game is. Look at our poll, look at any polling out

40:22

there. These college kids and

40:24

other members of this protest movement have

40:26

won the debate. The

40:29

numbers in favor of a ceasefire are overwhelming.

40:32

Among people who voted for Joe Biden, the

40:34

numbers are even more overwhelming,

40:39

and so to distract from

40:42

the clear righteousness of their

40:44

cause, which, by the way, all of these people ten years

40:46

from now will be pretending that they were on their side,

40:48

or they'll be covering their ass about why it was understandable

40:51

at the time that they compared them to Nazis and all this

40:53

crap. Okay, it's

40:56

all to distract from

40:58

what the kids are actually

41:00

protesting about and the clear

41:03

justice of their cause. When they say I

41:05

don't want my tax dollars going

41:07

to bomb babies. I also think

41:09

it's important, and Sager brought this up a

41:12

number of times and other segments as well, to keep in

41:14

mind their specific asks and to make

41:16

the comparison. So at Brown University, they had protests,

41:18

they had an encampment, and the administration

41:20

met with them said, you know what, we're not going to commit

41:23

to divesting, which is the specific

41:25

ass from like Lockey Martin or whoever

41:27

they invest in. We're but

41:29

we are going to schedule a vote and it's

41:31

going to be taken up and we're taking your concerns

41:33

seriously. Guess what they the protests Okay, we're going

41:35

to disband the encampment were also

41:38

all fine.

41:39

It also then if they rejected that, then they

41:41

would look a lot worse if they were like if

41:43

they were like, okay, we'll have a vote and you can what

41:45

Brown agreed to, like you said, is not just a vote,

41:47

but they said that you can come and you can present your case

41:49

to the Board of Governors, which I think I'm

41:51

actually totally fine with because that means that the Bord of Governors

41:54

will ultimately make an independentency.

41:55

It still gets to, I mean, some of the critique

41:57

that you have sometimes with these institutions,

42:00

which is like why is why are your investments

42:02

so dear to you, like your particular investments,

42:05

But you're right right exactly, Well, yeah,

42:07

and we see too, you know, Robert Kraft

42:10

and these other large donors in the way they're

42:12

willing to say, hey, we're not going to play goodball

42:14

if you deal with these if you don't crack

42:16

down on these protesters. So then

42:18

that's how you end up in this utterly absurd

42:21

situation. Just so you know too, Washington

42:24

Posts had a great graphic of the way

42:26

that these protests have spread like wildfire

42:29

since that initial Columbia University

42:32

crackdown, which you'll recall President

42:34

of Columbia University gets summoned Capitol

42:37

Hill to talk about anti Semitism

42:39

on campus and basically

42:42

she pledges to quote unquote do

42:44

more. In the very next day, the cops are brought

42:46

in and you know, there's a massive

42:48

crackdown and that has sparked a

42:50

huge uptick in

42:53

terms of the number of these protests across college

42:55

campuses and kids are getting arrested to coast

42:58

to coast in you know, universities, small

43:00

schools, like I said before, the Ivy League

43:02

and the elite institutions get a lot

43:04

of the attention Columbia does because they're

43:07

in New York City, but any

43:10

manner and variety small, large,

43:12

more working class, more upscale of schools

43:14

across the country now are seeing these protest

43:16

movements and attendant crackdowns and arrests.

43:19

Let's take a look at these graphics

43:21

that the Washington Posts pulled together, so

43:24

you can see there on the left

43:27

they have the protests that amror

43:29

protests, the size of the protests at the week beginning

43:31

April tenth. Then you have

43:34

the crackdown at Columbia

43:37

that was on April twenty third, you can

43:39

see how they grew, and then

43:41

after that you can see how it

43:43

really just explodes. And

43:46

that's when you're talking about you know, any

43:48

number of schools, coast to coast,

43:51

types of schools, you know, elite, normal

43:54

state institutions, and everything

43:56

in between. So if your

43:58

goal was to actually

44:01

diminished the energy of this protest

44:03

movement, congratulations, you've done exactly

44:06

exactly the opposite. And if you think these

44:08

students are going to stop now because of what they've seen,

44:10

I've got another thing coming for you. Let's

44:14

go ahead and move on to the White

44:17

House response, which has also been pissed.

44:19

Poor Korean. John Pierre was

44:21

asked specifically about those

44:24

UCLA counter protesters pro

44:26

Israel counter protesters assaulting the anti

44:28

war activists. Didn't have a lot to say about

44:31

that. Let's take a listen.

44:32

I'm wondering if the White House has any response

44:34

to the reports of violent

44:36

clashes on UCLA's campus last night

44:39

that there was a group of counter protesters

44:42

that tried to fortunately dismantle

44:44

the pro Pala sign encampment and the

44:47

clash that resulted afterwards.

44:48

So, look what I can say more broadly,

44:51

any form of violence we are going

44:53

to denounce. We're going to call out violent

44:55

rhetoric, any type of

44:58

violence we have to call out. That

45:00

doesn't change anything.

45:01

We're going to continue to do that, and

45:04

that could quin on the

45:06

communications with protests

45:09

and people related to protests. Has the President

45:11

spoken to Mayor Adams since the NYPD

45:14

became involved in dealing.

45:16

With them, You know, understand the question. Don't have

45:18

anything to read out as far as a conversation with

45:20

the mayor from the President, but

45:22

I think we've been very very clear about

45:25

what we're seeing on the ground. I've been answering

45:27

these questions for the past couple of days.

45:28

Go ahead, thanks.

45:29

So, I think it's really important to understand

45:31

the role that the Biden administration has played

45:33

in green lighting these unhinged

45:37

crackdowns. And you know, Biden put

45:39

out multiple statements smearing

45:41

the kids as these college students,

45:44

as terrorists, effectively anti

45:46

Semitic, et cetera. And very

45:48

soon after this, you know, specifically

45:50

with regards to Columbia, put down a statement and

45:52

that's when you see all the heavy artillery

45:54

broad in in one thousand member police

45:56

response, and so funny

45:58

how when you get asked specifically

46:01

about actual violence that happened,

46:03

the language is very well, in general,

46:06

we condemn violence, but you're not going to have this specific

46:08

violence. You don't actually have anything to say about this

46:10

specifically at all. You're

46:12

just vaguely Yeah, of course

46:15

we theoretically condemn violence

46:17

if that happened. It's just it's

46:19

so clear the bias here

46:22

and how differently these two groups are treated.

46:24

I would like to live in a world with White House doesn't have an

46:26

opinion on all this stuff.

46:27

I've said this before.

46:28

I don't think they really should be weighing in on local

46:30

matters at UCLA and everywhere else.

46:32

But if we're going to live in a world where we're going

46:34

to take you a single transperson

46:36

or whatever is like allegedly assaulted somewhere

46:39

and that's a national demanding of a white

46:41

House statement, or here in the Columbia

46:43

case, it's like anti semitism is

46:45

deplorable. But then we're going to ignore

46:48

like violence over here on this side

46:50

and just issue like no statement,

46:52

then yeah, you look like an idiot and a hypocrite,

46:55

and I think it is very obvious what

46:57

is happening here now, and that's part of the dishonesty

47:00

in this is honestly driving me really

47:02

crazy because what we're watching again

47:05

is that we basically have a

47:07

fake moral panic which is

47:09

being used to construct

47:11

the biggest expansion of the DEI

47:14

regime in let's say,

47:16

since the nineteen sixty four Civil Rights Act.

47:18

What we are watching today is our Congress

47:21

past a piece of legislation that

47:23

declares and expands the definition

47:26

of anti semitism to opposition

47:28

of the State of Israel, codifying

47:30

that into the Civil Rights Act, and then

47:32

empowering the Office of the Civil Rights

47:34

Act in the Department of Justice to prosecute

47:37

universities and potentially Christal even

47:39

you or I as commentators, as

47:42

American citizens. And I can tell you this, like,

47:44

maybe they won't come after us, but they very well could

47:46

under the text of that legislation. And

47:48

I've warned about this from the very beginning against

47:50

Bill Ackman and all these other folks,

47:53

is that they don't want Jews to be

47:55

considered like everybody

47:57

else. They want them included as marginal

48:00

a bipoc, LGBTQ and

48:02

all this other stuff. This is a liberal expansion

48:06

of the regime being used to try and crush

48:08

speech in the future, and you know,

48:11

we have to speak out.

48:12

We have to stand against.

48:13

This absolutely, absolutely,

48:15

and listen. It's another

48:18

thing that drives me insane is it's really

48:21

not about protecting Jewish students.

48:23

That's bullshit, because there are so many Jewish

48:25

students who are you know, being assaulted

48:28

and arrested and you know, assaulted

48:30

by pro Israel protesters. In fact,

48:33

you mentioned Bill Acne. Can put this next piece up on the

48:35

screen. He helped to fund. I think

48:37

it was one of the top funders, if not the top

48:39

funder of that violent

48:42

pro Israel counter protest that

48:44

assaulted many students at

48:47

UCLA, included among them, probably

48:49

since so many Jewish students are involved

48:51

in the anti war protest Jewish students,

48:54

so they don't actually care about Jewish

48:56

students safety. And Jessica Seinfeld, by the way, Jerry

48:58

Seinfeld's wife also so kicked in a number

49:01

of thousands of dollars to these violent

49:03

thugs who rampaged and shot

49:06

rockets and assaulted anti

49:08

word demonstrators for hours before the cops

49:10

showed up. So it's nonsense that

49:12

they even care about Jewish student safety. No, they

49:15

care about this ideology of Zionism.

49:17

That's what they care about, and that's fine. They're allowed to care

49:19

about that. That's fine. But don't conflate

49:21

it like this is a religious sectarian conflict.

49:24

It's not. And certainly do

49:27

not go and ban Americans

49:30

from having a critique of a foreign

49:32

government. You know, I a couple

49:35

things cyber and response to what you were saying.

49:37

I was actually talking to Kyle about this last night. I remember

49:39

how when Trump was first elected, there

49:42

was like some resistance lived journalist who would

49:44

post every day like it's day number whatever.

49:46

And I'm still afraid, like they thought they were

49:48

going to be like rounded up and arrested by Trump,

49:50

which, listening as his own authoritarian in stings,

49:53

I'm not gonna like whatever is

49:55

certainly the case. We have

49:57

never been more actually a danger

50:00

of being arrested, criminalized

50:02

whatever for our views.

50:03

Then right now, oh, absolutely, especially here

50:05

on the show that you're absolutely right.

50:07

And it's because it's because of

50:09

the bipartisan consensus around this. I mean,

50:11

this is we've talked about this a lot in other context,

50:13

like the times when you should really be scared are

50:15

when you have the elites of both parties agreeing

50:19

on a pro censorship regime

50:22

or a security state expansion. We've seen

50:24

this many times. We saw it during the Iraq War.

50:26

The other thing that I've been thinking about is like, you

50:28

know, obviously it's easiest for me

50:31

to compare to my own historical

50:33

experience because we live through it

50:35

and I have a very fine grasp

50:37

on what the climate was like. There was a

50:39

lot of hysteria around the anti war

50:42

movement during the Iraq War and build

50:44

up to the Iraq War as well, but

50:46

people were smeared as being traders and how

50:49

you stand, You got to stand with the president,

50:51

blah blah blah. But there was never

50:53

any effort to actually like criminalize

50:56

or say you can't even say these things

50:59

in that way. This is it really

51:01

is extraordinary different. And it

51:04

also harkens back to I mean, we've had laws

51:06

on the books in many states now for years that's

51:09

anti BDS laws that's codify

51:11

exactly the same thing of like you are not allowed

51:13

to boycott or divest, or

51:16

you're not allowed to participate in this boycott movement

51:18

against a foreign government. You can boycott our own government,

51:21

but you can boycott this random foreign government.

51:23

It's complete infringement on

51:26

our rights. It is absolutely

51:29

a gateway to if you're cool

51:31

with this particular expansion, what you think it's going

51:33

to stop there? Give me a break.

51:36

This the expansion of the censorship

51:38

regime here is truly astonishing.

51:41

And I can't not that anyone you know,

51:43

changes their mind because they're called a hypocrite.

51:46

But we had a whole movement of people who claimed

51:48

that campus free speech was like the biggest

51:50

issue of their time and that they really deeply cared

51:52

about it. And now you have an

51:55

actual House vote

51:58

to codify censorship and ban

52:01

criticism of a foreign government. And they're

52:03

on board with it. It's not even that you don't hear about you

52:06

just they're by and large they're on

52:08

board with it.

52:08

Yeah.

52:08

No, you are absolutely right, Crystal, And let's get to some of

52:10

that.

52:11

Let's go ahead and put this up there on the screen

52:13

as well, because this is what stage

52:15

is that quote unquote democrats enter

52:18

panic mode as the Gaza protests

52:20

erupt.

52:20

So you basically have two options. Whenever you're in

52:22

panic mode.

52:23

You can continue to go after or

52:25

you can pull back, and you can try to understand what

52:28

is going on.

52:28

Well, what do we think all happened.

52:30

Well, we had the introduction and

52:32

now the passage of a quote unquote anti

52:34

semitism piece of legislation now

52:37

through our Congress.

52:37

Let's go and put this up there on the screen.

52:39

Shout out to Representative Thomas Massey,

52:41

a genuine hero on this subject, who

52:44

says, today the House will vote on a bill to

52:46

define anti Semitism with the intent to

52:48

increase prosecutions of activity on campus.

52:51

This bill has a problem beyond violating the First

52:53

Amendment. The definition of anti Semitism appears

52:55

nowhere in the bill. What they see is

52:57

that they are going to codify into law

53:00

definition of anti Semitism that was introduced

53:02

by the International Holocaust Museum

53:04

and Remembrance Organization.

53:06

Now it's very clear, because.

53:07

I want to read examples of what we'll be

53:10

called anti Semitic quote unquote making

53:12

accusing Jews as people being responsible

53:14

for real or imagined wrongdoing committed

53:16

by a single Jewish person or group, or even acts

53:19

were committed by non Jews, denying

53:21

the fact, scope, mechanisms, or intentionality

53:23

of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of

53:25

the Nazi Party. So basically, Holocaust denile

53:28

is now illegal under US

53:30

law.

53:30

If this is where to.

53:31

Pass, Dana Bass, I don't sorry about you

53:33

downplaying the events leading up to I.

53:36

Do not support Holocaust denile, obviously,

53:38

but I think people should have the right to say it.

53:40

And if you don't disagree. If you disagree with me, you

53:42

can.

53:42

Go and look at the speech of Mark Zuckerberg

53:45

in twenty eighteen where he specifically

53:48

defended holocaust de isle on the Facebook platform

53:50

under well established First Amendment

53:53

law. For this is my other personal favorite.

53:55

Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal

53:57

to Israel or to the alleged priorities

53:59

of use worldwide to the interests of their own

54:02

nation. Again, once

54:04

again dual loyalty accusations.

54:06

They can be tricky. I'll be honest,

54:09

This conflict has actually convinced me. It's more of a

54:11

real problem than I ever thought before, and

54:13

I believe it is my right as an American citizen

54:16

to accuse somebody of having dual loyalty

54:18

if I suspect so. Similarly,

54:21

it says applying double standards

54:23

by requiring a behavior not expected

54:25

or demanded of any other democratic nation,

54:28

so that means directly criticizing

54:30

the standards of the State of Israel and

54:32

their prosecution of this war would

54:35

then be considered anti Semitic

54:37

under US law. And who wants

54:39

to guess that this law passed

54:42

the House of Representatives with over three

54:44

hundred votes just last night.

54:47

It is stunning, it's astounding. Put this up

54:49

there, please, just to show everybody look

54:51

at this. I mean, one hundred

54:53

and eighty seven Republicans voted yes,

54:55

one hundred and three Democrats, only

54:57

twenty one Republicans and seventy Democrats voted

55:00

No. Crystal three one hundred and twenty to

55:02

ninety one to mandate that the

55:05

Education Department use this

55:07

definition when enforcing federal

55:10

anti discrimination law,

55:12

meaning that campus is any organization

55:15

subject to the Civil Rights Act which all of

55:17

us are, either as employers, as educations,

55:19

and others, will then be liable to prosecution

55:22

under this. It's just insane, it's outrageous.

55:25

And you know what another item

55:27

in this definition of anti semitism says

55:29

you're not allowed to draw comparisons of

55:31

contemporary Israeli policy to that of

55:33

the Nazis. And again it's

55:36

not like

55:39

like no matter what they do, like

55:41

they can actually do a full

55:43

on genocide, and you're not allowed to say the word

55:46

Nazi in comparison because some of the ideology

55:48

is very reminiscent. Sorry it is, and

55:51

that what I just said is now apparently that's

55:53

that's criminal as illegal according to this

55:56

vote in the House. And the other one, which

55:58

is ironic to me is quote

56:00

holding Jews collectively responsible

56:02

for actions of the State of Israel. Well,

56:04

actually it's these Zionists who I see

56:07

doing that by and large, who I see

56:09

making an aggressive attempt to

56:11

conflate Judaism and all

56:14

Jewish people with the actions

56:16

of the State of Israel. That happens almost

56:18

exclusively on that side

56:21

of the Ledger. But you know when they do it,

56:23

when they say, you know, we want

56:25

the Jews of the future to be able to look

56:27

back and say that's what we did in our destruction

56:30

of Goz or whatever the quote was from some Israeli

56:32

minister, then that's not anti

56:34

Semitic. When they demand that

56:36

every single Jew in the world

56:39

be conflated and associated with the

56:41

State of Israel, when Joe Biden says no Jews

56:43

will be safe without the State of Israel. When

56:46

they do it, oh, that's not anti Semitic,

56:48

but I don't even hear. In fact,

56:50

the overwhelming number of people

56:52

on the anti war side are

56:54

at pains to say Judaism and

56:56

Zionism are not the same thing. And that's

56:59

so clear because you you have so many Zionists

57:01

who are not Jewish, and we have very clearly

57:03

in this movement so many anti Zionists

57:05

who are Jewish, So they're not two the same

57:08

things. Zionism is a political ideology.

57:10

Israel is a nation state that, by the way, doesn't

57:12

only contain Jewish people. So

57:16

it's just if you look at

57:18

this, it's very clearly

57:20

an effort to make it so that you cannot

57:23

criticize the State of Israel without

57:26

being tarred as an officially by the government,

57:28

tarred as an anti semi. This

57:31

is the fondest wish of you know, the ADL,

57:33

the State of Israel. They were pushing this

57:36

view for years and years

57:38

and years, and now you have overwhelming

57:41

majorities in the House voting

57:43

in favor. You can bet

57:45

there will be similarly overwhelming margins of

57:47

the Senate, if not more so. You can bet

57:50

Joe Biden will certainly sign this into law.

57:52

And it's it's complete

57:55

insanity, and it doesn't end here. By the way, it doesn't

57:57

end here. Once you open the door to hey, we can codify

57:59

what is hate speech. We can you know, make

58:02

it official at the Department of Education, and your federal

58:04

funding can be revoked if we feel that you're

58:06

you know, questioning the state of Israel in

58:09

a way that we don't like. It does not stop

58:11

there. It's so outrageous.

58:13

I could scarcely wrote my head it's crazy, and I just want

58:15

to again flip it around. This is what drives me crazy,

58:18

is you know, Okay, I'm Indian, so and we're by the way,

58:20

we're the richest people in America. We could

58:22

if we wanted to exert this amount of political

58:24

power. What if we had a highly funded

58:27

lobby to make the government pass

58:29

a law disputing territorial

58:31

claims on Kashmir and said that you

58:33

could, you would be that basically would

58:35

criminalize the speech, let's say, of Pakistani

58:38

Americans. Do you think that would be acceptable

58:40

or would you think that that's an outrageous abuse

58:43

by a foreign power who has

58:45

been, you know, propping up our diaspora

58:47

community to enforce outside

58:49

norms. Now, listen, I'm Indian but

58:52

I would speak out against that. But why

58:54

do they get a special carve out and

58:56

why do they you know, they want the US

58:59

government to enforce their

59:01

territorial acquisitional dreams

59:04

on the speech of US citizens

59:06

on college campuses. But you're right, the ground

59:09

for this was laid in the BDS laws. They've always

59:12

been on. Our only hope in this case is the

59:14

Supreme Court. I pray, I pray you

59:16

know that something like this actually would make it up

59:18

to SCOTUS. But to be honest, you know, with the current makeup,

59:21

we don't know for sure.

59:22

Typically in most

59:25

instances where the ANTIBEDS laws

59:27

have been challenged, they've been struck

59:29

down.

59:29

Yeah, that's it's a state court level.

59:31

It's never made it to SCOTUS.

59:32

So I mean that is somewhat hopeful.

59:35

But yeah, I mean that is our only

59:37

hope because the bipartisan consensus is in

59:39

favor of using the full force of the

59:41

federal government to tell people

59:44

how, how and when they are allowed

59:46

to criticize the state of Israel, and

59:49

every American who cares about their free speech

59:51

rights, I don't care where you are on the

59:53

you know, on the spectrum of opinion

59:55

about this particular conflict. It really doesn't

59:58

matter because it's about so it's about a

1:00:00

core right as an American

1:00:02

citizen, a cherished right. And

1:00:05

if you happen to be on the right side of elite

1:00:07

opinion on this one, okay, but

1:00:10

it will come for you. There

1:00:12

will be some opinion that you have that

1:00:14

is deemed outside of acceptability,

1:00:17

and now these same powers can be used against

1:00:19

you as well. You know,

1:00:22

free speech First Amendment rights

1:00:24

are about protecting speech that is challenging

1:00:27

to elite consensus, that is can be

1:00:29

outright offensive at times. As I said

1:00:31

before, there is no hate speech carve out

1:00:33

in the First Amendment, you know. I mean

1:00:36

the Skokie case. You had literal neo Nazis

1:00:38

mark marching through a predominantly Jewish

1:00:40

town. Okay, that's offensive

1:00:43

as it could possibly be. We had

1:00:45

literal neo Nazis marching through Charleston,

1:00:47

West Virginia. I think they're disgusting, but

1:00:49

I think they have a right to do it. You know, I was on the

1:00:51

side of allowing the Charlottesville

1:00:54

ultimately like neo Nazi rioters

1:00:57

to have what should have been a piece.

1:00:59

If they had just march piece, I would have supported

1:01:01

their right to do it.

1:01:02

I didn't know that they tried to block it. Oh

1:01:04

that's crazy.

1:01:05

There was. Actually it was a whole fall out of the ACLU

1:01:07

because the ACL you backed their permit

1:01:09

to have this march. And then

1:01:12

this is part of what led to the ACL

1:01:14

you get a little squishy and their free speech principles

1:01:17

because they had raised a lot of money in the trump eras,

1:01:20

like you know, resistance organization, So those are the

1:01:22

types of people they had on board. So it caused big

1:01:24

schism there. But in any case, this is all just

1:01:26

to say, like offensive speech also

1:01:28

is protected. Hate speech, sorry,

1:01:31

it also is protected. I don't think

1:01:33

that that's what these anti war protesters

1:01:35

have been doing. I wildly disagree

1:01:38

with the mischaracterization of like their rally

1:01:40

chants and whatever. But listen, if you're offended

1:01:43

by it, that's your right, you can be. That's okay.

1:01:45

That doesn't mean that it should be criminalized. And

1:01:48

that's exactly the path that we're moving towards.

1:01:49

Agree one hundred percent.

1:01:53

All right, guys, So have some updates for you coming

1:01:55

out of Israel's specially with regards to these

1:01:57

ongoing potential ceasefire negotiations,

1:02:00

so we can put this up on the screen. Another big screw

1:02:02

you from bib to the US. He

1:02:04

told Secretary of State Anthony Blincoln

1:02:06

he will not agree to end

1:02:08

the war on Hamas as part of

1:02:11

the hostage deal. Of course it's been we're on

1:02:13

the entire Gaza strip, but put that aside for a moment.

1:02:15

He told him he wouldn't accept an end to the war.

1:02:18

He said, we are interested in reaching a deal

1:02:20

and determined to topple Hamas. Israel

1:02:23

conveys latest offerreed amaster Egyptian mediators

1:02:25

late last week, expecting response Wednesday

1:02:27

evening. We don't have an update for you this morning, and

1:02:29

Israeli official told The Times of Israel. He also

1:02:32

told Blincoln that a hostage deal with

1:02:34

Hamas does not mean an invasion

1:02:36

of Rafa would be avoided. Details

1:02:39

of this deal, sager, such as we know them is

1:02:41

that you know Israel wants

1:02:43

just a forty day ceasefire is

1:02:46

basically what they have floated. Hamas

1:02:48

wants a permanent ceasefire. The

1:02:51

way this has been painted in Western media

1:02:53

is basically Hamas is the whole obstacle to

1:02:55

any sort of a deal. But in reality, this

1:02:57

is a negotiation and Israel's

1:03:00

saying basically like, yeah, we'll pause for forty days,

1:03:02

but then we promise we are going to still do our full

1:03:04

on assault on Rafa, including

1:03:06

the reporting that we provided

1:03:08

earlier in the week, or that we shared with you earlier

1:03:11

in the week about how the Israelis are setting

1:03:13

up checkpoints to make sure that

1:03:15

all military age men are

1:03:17

stopped and kept in Rafa

1:03:20

as that assault on that

1:03:22

city, that planned assault and ground

1:03:24

invasion on that city proceeds.

1:03:27

And you know, one thing I realized after we

1:03:29

talked about that saga, which is really incredibly

1:03:32

sick, is the

1:03:34

way that the death numbers have been

1:03:36

reported in the media and the way that Israel has

1:03:39

interpreted the death numbers is basically, any

1:03:41

man is deemed and assumed

1:03:43

to be a Hamas fighter.

1:03:45

That's right.

1:03:45

So if you want to improve

1:03:48

what the media is claiming to be your ratio

1:03:51

of civilian to militant deaths, you

1:03:53

just murder a lot of men. Innocent

1:03:55

men, non innocent men. Any men are

1:03:58

just characterized as some ass militants. So

1:04:00

it's a great way to improve your supposed

1:04:04

proportional death rate and be able to say, oh,

1:04:06

all these men, they're all Hamas fighters, if

1:04:08

you just massively slaughter

1:04:11

thousands and thousands of men. So I think that's

1:04:13

part of the part

1:04:15

of the strategy here in terms of what they're

1:04:17

planning for Rafa.

1:04:18

No, yeah, it's very possible.

1:04:19

And again this is why the death numbers can't really be trusted

1:04:22

on all sides. We really have no idea if

1:04:24

unall likely, it's probably much higher than at

1:04:26

whatever it is, what the proportion is, maybe

1:04:28

ten years from now will be lucky if we ever

1:04:30

find out. But you flagged this crystal

1:04:32

there. It was a development with this Israeli

1:04:35

minister smow Tritch.

1:04:35

I know you wanted to get to that.

1:04:37

Yeah, so you actually had an op ed in Haratz

1:04:39

even calling for Smotrich to step down.

1:04:41

He's the Israeli finance minister. So

1:04:43

his word's a little bit more important than what some

1:04:46

random nineteen year old may or may not have said

1:04:48

on a college campus somewhere. That's just my personal opinion.

1:04:50

On the media doesn't seem to see it that way. We

1:04:52

can put some of his latest comments here up on the

1:04:54

screen. He says, moments

1:04:56

before redemption, we must not hesitate,

1:04:59

we must just destroy Rafa. Nuserret

1:05:02

and dear al Balah wipe

1:05:04

out the memory of Amelek. There's

1:05:06

no half measure Rafa dear

1:05:08

al balas absolute

1:05:11

destruction. So just

1:05:14

not even it's not even colorable. It's just

1:05:16

out and out genocidal rhetoric from

1:05:18

a top and very influential minister

1:05:21

within the Netanyahu government.

1:05:23

And you know why these statements matter is not

1:05:25

just because they say, you know, this is what I always

1:05:27

say. Oh, it's just you know, it's heated rhetoric or it's

1:05:29

populoust rhetoric or whatever. But it's also

1:05:32

consistent and commeasure it with the actions

1:05:34

that the government is actually taking. So it's not

1:05:37

just that it's words. As

1:05:39

you know, if you don't like a rally channel on a college

1:05:41

campus, those are just words. Those college students

1:05:43

don't have any actual ability to effectuate the policies

1:05:46

that they want to see and acted. This

1:05:48

man, on the other hand, does, and so that's

1:05:50

why it's important to pay attention to things that he's

1:05:53

saying and the way that they match up with the reality

1:05:55

of the way that they are prosecuting this

1:05:57

onslaught. Let's go ahead onto

1:06:00

the next one. So apparently Biden

1:06:02

is really pinning a lot on

1:06:04

these ceasefire talks, which don't frankly,

1:06:06

seem to be going all that well because Israel

1:06:09

is so insistent on no, we want to continue bombing

1:06:11

your children after the ceasefire ends. Let us

1:06:13

put this up on the screen. This

1:06:16

is Barack revied. He was just honored at the White

1:06:18

House Corresponds dinner. By the way, Israel

1:06:21

Hamas deal is the only hope for

1:06:23

Biden's Middle East strategy.

1:06:26

So in this report, he says, President Biden's

1:06:28

been personally involved in intense efforts

1:06:30

in recent days to reach a hostage and ceasefire

1:06:33

deal between Israel Jimas, which he sees

1:06:35

as a crucial element of a much wider strategy

1:06:37

at home and abroad. President's

1:06:39

senior advisers say the deal on the table right now is the

1:06:41

only conceivable path to a ceasefire in Gaza,

1:06:44

possibly ending a war that has drawn sharp criticism

1:06:46

of Biden among some of his key supporters ahead of

1:06:48

the presidential election. Even White House

1:06:50

spokesperson John Kirby admitted as much

1:06:53

on Tuesday, saying he Biden's

1:06:55

putting all his focus on the hostage deal. Quote.

1:06:57

There just has to be a deal, he

1:06:59

said when asked about a Plan B. If negotiations

1:07:02

aren't successful, temporary seaesfare could also

1:07:04

turn into a permanent one, although Bobe's pretty

1:07:06

clear he doesn't want that. That could allow the Biden

1:07:08

administration to return in negotiations for a consequential

1:07:11

mega deal with Saudi Arabia that the

1:07:13

US was working on before October seventh.

1:07:15

I'd love to hear your thoughts on this supposed Saudi

1:07:18

Arabia mega deal. This has been

1:07:20

like the Biden Administration's

1:07:22

fantasy from the beginning of this, and I think it's utterly

1:07:24

absurd. The Saudis have come out multiple times and

1:07:26

said there's no way we're doing this deal,

1:07:29

and that's there's actually for real

1:07:31

a Palestinian state, and

1:07:33

yet the US keeps claiming that this is still

1:07:35

like somehow on the table. And

1:07:38

the idea is that you'd have a ceasefire,

1:07:40

ultimately a permanent ceasefire, and then Saudi

1:07:43

would agree to normalization with Israel and exchange

1:07:46

for a pathway to two state solution. Problem

1:07:49

is Bibi Netanyahu's whole

1:07:51

raison deetra is to prevent such a two state solution

1:07:53

number one, and the Saudis have been, like I said, very

1:07:56

clear that that's a non starter for them.

1:07:57

The other problem with that is that, yes, it's contingent on

1:07:59

it two state solutions, contingent on Saudi recognition

1:08:02

of Israel. Whenever nobody tells you, there's also contingent

1:08:04

on a massive weapons transfer from the

1:08:06

United States to Saudi Arabia.

1:08:08

Like defense guarantee.

1:08:10

For defense guarantee from US as well,

1:08:12

which would put US even further into

1:08:15

de facto war state if Iran

1:08:17

were to ever attack them. That's the other thing. Do

1:08:19

we all need another treaty alliance

1:08:22

with Saudi Arabia? I don't think so, especially

1:08:24

not you know, formalized in this manner,

1:08:26

So it would only be an expansion of

1:08:28

the US security umbrella. And even

1:08:31

and here's the thing, I'm may be willing to trade

1:08:33

it if we were actually going to

1:08:35

get a two state solution, but I don't

1:08:37

think that that's on the table. So then what's the point of this

1:08:40

entire thing, And that most likely would

1:08:42

lead to the mega deal being instituted

1:08:44

first prior to to state, then the Israelis

1:08:46

would just never do it, and now we have to sell a bunch of

1:08:48

arms in Saudi Arabia. Israel continues to get

1:08:50

to do what they want, we continue to sell you

1:08:52

know, all the weapons there.

1:08:53

So the whole thing is ridiculous.

1:08:55

Face, it's not hard to figure out what you would have to do to

1:08:57

get to force some sort of a two state solution.

1:09:00

Would have to completely withdraw their support for Israel

1:09:02

and the weapons I mean, because the reason

1:09:05

Israel acts with such insane like impunity

1:09:08

and like the bullies that they are, and like you

1:09:10

know, going around assassinating Iranian generals

1:09:12

and embassies and doing whatever the

1:09:15

hell they want to do is because they

1:09:17

know we where their backstop. If

1:09:19

we weren't there enabling all

1:09:21

of this, Suddenly the

1:09:24

power balance is a little different. Suddenly

1:09:27

their behavior is a little constrained. Suddenly

1:09:30

there is some incentive to have to like, yeah,

1:09:32

I guess we're going to have to figure this thing out and

1:09:35

resolve it because we no longer have our

1:09:37

you know, big buddies down the block to back us up

1:09:39

and ship us our weapons and provide us with diplomatic

1:09:41

cover and all of that. Like it's

1:09:44

so clear that's the only way that

1:09:46

this dynamic ultimately changes, not going to

1:09:48

come through some like fantasy deal that's never

1:09:50

going to happen. With Saudi Arabia, and

1:09:53

it's certainly not going to happen. By asking bb Nanya,

1:09:55

who pretty please will you change your mind about something

1:09:57

you've been adamant about for literally decades at

1:09:59

this point not going to happen. Something

1:10:02

that could have an impact in terms of maybe

1:10:05

bringing this word and at some point

1:10:08

in the future is Israeli

1:10:10

domestic political opinion is very

1:10:13

much in favor of some sort of a ceasefire

1:10:15

hostage deal right now. To put this

1:10:17

up on the screen, this was a little surprising

1:10:19

to me, Zagar. Over half of even right wing

1:10:22

voters in Israel support

1:10:24

a hostage deal, even at risk of having elections,

1:10:26

which you know, understanding is bbe and that coalition

1:10:29

could very much be at risk if they did have

1:10:31

elections right now, So fifty one percent

1:10:33

of center right and right wing voter support the

1:10:35

signing of a deal to release the hostages being held by Hamas,

1:10:38

even at the risk of disbanding the coalition

1:10:40

and going to elections. Overall, sixty

1:10:43

six percent of the Israeli public

1:10:45

supports signing such a hostage

1:10:47

deal even if it leads to elections. Additionally,

1:10:50

fifty seven percent of Israelis think

1:10:52

that correctly. By the way, Mabe is

1:10:55

the laying efforts to reach a hostage deal, with thirty

1:10:57

eight percent of center right and right wing voters holding

1:11:00

that same view. So even a sizable minority

1:11:02

chunk of Bebe's own voters

1:11:05

believe he is blocking a hostage deal.

1:11:07

And listen, the hostages have been

1:11:11

used by Bibe and

1:11:13

by his allies throughout this conflict

1:11:15

to say, you know, anytime there's a call for ceasefire

1:11:18

or whatever, it's like, why don't you call on them to release the hostage.

1:11:20

Well, by the way, I haven't, many other people have as

1:11:22

well, but it's also very clear they don't give

1:11:24

a shit about the hostages. Like they've killed more

1:11:26

hostages than they've been able to rescue,

1:11:29

so many of the hostages are probably

1:11:31

dead now, which is unbelievably

1:11:33

tragic because they've been in a war zone

1:11:36

for seven months. They've been subject to the same

1:11:38

starvation conditions. Now

1:11:40

Israel's threatening to bomb the city where they claim

1:11:42

their own hostages are likely held in Rafa,

1:11:45

How do you think that is going to be for the safety and security

1:11:47

of hostages. So these really

1:11:49

public which actually does care about

1:11:52

the hostages, is seeing very

1:11:54

clearly through this attempt

1:11:56

to claim that the hostages are their number

1:11:59

one priority when obviously

1:12:01

obviously they're not. The

1:12:03

only time when there was a significant release of hostages

1:12:06

was when there was a ceasefire deal. And yet we see

1:12:08

Bebe delaying and dragging Speen and doing

1:12:10

everything he can to avoid such

1:12:12

a ceasefire deal because he is worried about

1:12:15

his own political position of power.

1:12:17

And that's very clear, right, and let's go put

1:12:19

the next one and please up there on the screen.

1:12:20

That's also very important.

1:12:21

This is incredible.

1:12:22

What the Israelis are basically saying is

1:12:25

that if there is an ICC warrant

1:12:28

that is issued against them, they

1:12:30

will then punish the Palestinian

1:12:33

authority and basically make it inoperable,

1:12:35

which would lead to basically a collapse

1:12:38

of the West Bank and any semblance

1:12:40

of Palestinian governing authority which

1:12:42

is already there and has remained shaky. And

1:12:44

there's all this violence that continues there.

1:12:47

So just to show you that they are willing to very much

1:12:49

to flex their muscles, you know,

1:12:51

on their behalf. And there's

1:12:53

a last thing here that I wanted to get in because this

1:12:56

is further evidence of

1:12:58

the biden A ministry complete

1:13:01

subservience to the State of Israel,

1:13:03

where they have now confirmed and

1:13:05

are now discussing plans to bring

1:13:07

refugees from Gaza to the

1:13:10

United States.

1:13:10

Here's the White House talking about it as.

1:13:12

The administration considers bringing Palestinians

1:13:15

here to the US as refugees. Do

1:13:18

you know how many

1:13:20

people that the US hopes

1:13:22

to reocate? And secondly,

1:13:25

given the challenges getting

1:13:27

in and out of Gaza, will

1:13:29

the US assist in physically

1:13:32

bringing Palestinians.

1:13:33

Here besides of course getting

1:13:36

the hostages home, but also creating

1:13:38

an opportunity to get that more additional

1:13:40

humanitarian aid in and would lead

1:13:42

to a ceasefire. Now, in terms of the refugee

1:13:45

admissions program, which is what I believe you're asking

1:13:47

me about, we are constantly evaluating

1:13:50

policy proposals to further support Palestinians

1:13:52

who are family members of American citizens

1:13:55

and may want to come to the United

1:13:57

States. So we're evaluating it. I don't have anything

1:14:00

to announces.

1:14:00

Here's why this is wrong, Cristel.

1:14:02

They just like the PEER, are

1:14:05

assisting the Israelis in their project.

1:14:07

What did the Israelis say whenever we built

1:14:09

the Keer If any Peer, if anyone

1:14:11

wants to leave, they can leave too, So we

1:14:14

are building the peer and then they're like, oh,

1:14:16

by the way, if they want to leave and get the hell out of this

1:14:18

land, we're gonna want be the ones assisting

1:14:21

and basically displacement

1:14:23

from.

1:14:23

Their land to our land. The whole

1:14:26

thing is utterly insane.

1:14:28

It only opens the door further

1:14:31

to the Israelis being like, yeah.

1:14:32

Please take them. They've already said it.

1:14:35

Members of the Kanesset wrote in The Wall Street

1:14:37

Journal November twenty twenty three, West

1:14:39

should take all of the people from

1:14:42

Gaza. Whenever they say what are you going to do

1:14:44

the day after, they're like, we don't worry about that. That's America's

1:14:46

problem. Us peacekeepers are the ones

1:14:48

that should govern, So I think, listen

1:14:51

to what they are trying to and we're assisting them.

1:14:53

That's the most outrageous part of

1:14:56

this. This is under active consideration. Who

1:14:58

knows how many thousands of these peop people going to come here?

1:15:00

If they do, we know you and I know they're never going to

1:15:03

leave. And this is one of those where it

1:15:05

is a clear it is a benefit

1:15:07

to the Israelis. It is a direct you

1:15:09

know, playing into their hands of what

1:15:12

they want to happen in this case, and that's

1:15:14

what just drives me so nuts about this entire

1:15:16

thing.

1:15:16

Yeah, I mean, this is where this Biden

1:15:19

plan is guaranteed to piss off

1:15:21

everyone across the political spectrum because

1:15:23

on the you know, the right wing doesn't want refugees,

1:15:26

doesn't want more brown refugees coming

1:15:28

to the country.

1:15:29

Just brown any refugees. Well, so I'll say that

1:15:31

at least some.

1:15:31

Yeah, some, it's very specifically brown

1:15:34

refugees. The Ukrainian ones would be fine, but

1:15:36

anyway, we'll go aside that

1:15:38

debate for another day. The right doesn't

1:15:40

want more refugees, and the left

1:15:42

is like, oh, so you just are going to help Israel

1:15:44

with their ethnic cleansing.

1:15:45

Ya yo, Yeah, that's what's happened.

1:15:46

Cool, Yeah, because I mean this is the same thing with

1:15:49

you know, with regard to Egypt, there's always

1:15:51

this put well, why doesn't Egypt just take people in? And

1:15:53

it's like, well, okay, so first of all, they have, yeah,

1:15:55

their own domestic concerns and their own economic

1:15:57

at all that stuff, right, but also they

1:16:00

don't want to help Israel with their ethnic cleansing

1:16:02

plan. Listen, I'm happy to have Palestinians

1:16:04

here, but that's not what Palestinians want. They want

1:16:07

their own home. They want

1:16:09

to live in their home and

1:16:11

be free. That's what they want,

1:16:13

Okay. So this floating

1:16:16

of we're gonna actually

1:16:18

our humanitarian plan is to do that ethnic

1:16:20

cleansing is just it's

1:16:22

just astonishing that they would think that

1:16:25

this is okay, that they think

1:16:27

that this is something that the American people would be

1:16:29

like favorable towards. Its incredible

1:16:32

tone deafness. And then I

1:16:34

just have to reflect also on that ICC

1:16:36

news briefly, which is also insane.

1:16:40

If you if arresta warrants are issued,

1:16:42

you're going to punish the Palestinian

1:16:44

authority, which listen, I have no love for

1:16:46

the Palestinian authority, and Palestinians have no

1:16:48

love for the Palestinian authority because they're basically

1:16:50

just like collaborators with the occupation

1:16:53

regime. And you know, you

1:16:55

can talk to Palestinis in West Bank about how they feel

1:16:57

about that. But how

1:17:00

are these things connected. The claim is that the PA

1:17:02

is like using all of their incredible

1:17:04

might to pressure the ICC to issue these

1:17:07

arrest warrants and the other thing that you

1:17:09

know, I mean, it does sort of serve a Pea's

1:17:11

interest because the thought is that it would

1:17:13

likely be both Israeli

1:17:15

figures and Hamas

1:17:18

leaders, which I support

1:17:20

in both directions by the way, But

1:17:22

you know, I've come to realize that it's

1:17:25

not just the threat against like bb

1:17:27

and Yoov Galant and whoever the other dude

1:17:30

is that they floated that may be facing these

1:17:32

arrest warrants that will constrain their international

1:17:34

travel. I'm sure they don't like that idea, but

1:17:37

it also raises the prospect of if

1:17:39

you are an IDF soldier, anytime

1:17:41

you travel abroad, which many Israelis

1:17:43

hold, you know, dual citizenship,

1:17:46

or travel you know frequently around

1:17:48

the world, they may be

1:17:50

getting asked when they're entering a country

1:17:52

that signs onto the ICC, hey did you fight in Gaza.

1:17:55

So it is hugely impactful

1:17:58

and I think very psychologically impactful for

1:18:00

Israelis if these arrests, these arrest warrants actually

1:18:02

go through. Now I want to say, apparently

1:18:05

there was some previous Net and Yahoo

1:18:08

freaking out about potential arrest warrants I'm talking about

1:18:10

years ago that never never came to fruition. There

1:18:12

are some analysts who are saying Hey, these aren't as like

1:18:14

imminent as it's being portrayed. I have no

1:18:16

idea, but it is

1:18:18

pretty it's a pretty stunning

1:18:21

development, and it's also pretty wild. The

1:18:23

way that is, it's not wild, it's

1:18:25

it's sensical that the Israelis

1:18:27

use everything they have in their toolkit

1:18:30

and throw their weight around in every way possible

1:18:32

and use whatever leverage they possibly

1:18:34

can to get their way

1:18:37

in a way that the US never ever ever

1:18:39

does. And the reason that the PA is important

1:18:42

in the US is because this is our fig leaf of

1:18:44

like a plant a day after a plan is you

1:18:46

know, supposedly the PA is going to ride

1:18:48

in and be the leaders in Gaza, which

1:18:50

also is you know, a sort of preposterous

1:18:53

notion that they would have legitimacy in that context.

1:18:55

No, you're absolutely right. Okay,

1:18:59

let's move on to RFK Junior and some of

1:19:01

the domestic news. There's been some major

1:19:03

developments with Donald Trump and very

1:19:05

clearly seeing RFK Junior as a major

1:19:07

threat. Let's go and put this up there on the

1:19:10

screen. This was leaked to Politico.

1:19:12

They say that RFK junior quote is all

1:19:14

over conservative media and Trump's camp

1:19:16

is very concerned, increasingly

1:19:19

his frequent appearances are raising alarms

1:19:21

at mar Lago quote a sign

1:19:23

on the rising threat that Kennedy poses to

1:19:26

Trump. Kennedy has become popular, they say on

1:19:28

Fox News and Newsmax. They're getting very

1:19:30

upset watching him be interviewed by Ben Shapiro,

1:19:33

Glenn Beck, and Megan Kelly, and

1:19:35

they especially don't want him on

1:19:37

quote Trump's turf. This is directly

1:19:39

from the campaign manager. It is concerning

1:19:42

and beyond logic. The conservative platforms

1:19:44

continue to give you a voice to someone that is

1:19:46

called the NRA, a terrorist group who

1:19:48

believes eliminating gas powered engine,

1:19:50

believes in a seventy percent tax bracket, and

1:19:52

generally subscribes to the same thought as

1:19:55

a school of thought as Carl Marx.

1:19:58

So another

1:20:03

big sign of how afraid

1:20:05

they are of RFK Junior was actually this,

1:20:07

This really blew my mind.

1:20:08

Let's go and put this up there on the screen.

1:20:10

Donald Trump will be speaking

1:20:12

at the Libertarian National Convention

1:20:14

later this month. Thank you, by

1:20:16

the way to Dave Smith who flagged this for me. He

1:20:19

put out a statement saying that Libertarians are some of

1:20:21

the most independent, thoughtful thinkers in our country.

1:20:23

I'm honored to join them. In Washington,

1:20:25

DC later this month.

1:20:26

We must all work together to advance freedom

1:20:28

and liberty for every American.

1:20:30

We will work together and win.

1:20:32

This was the biggest sign to me of how dangerous

1:20:35

they view the RFK Junior threat, because

1:20:37

RFK Junior specifically has

1:20:39

got a lot of resonance amongst more

1:20:41

libertarian minded Americans,

1:20:43

specifically on the issue of vaccines.

1:20:46

Now, Libertarian Party previously only

1:20:48

drew a couple of percent or so away

1:20:50

from Republicans in twenty sixteen and

1:20:52

in twenty twenty, but when Junior projected

1:20:54

to get some thirteen percent of the vote, it's

1:20:56

a fight to the death for every single margin.

1:20:59

And this is it's very clearly an attempt.

1:21:01

Another thing that really I saw flagged

1:21:03

is that the MAGA Warring account, which

1:21:05

is like the account by the Trump

1:21:08

campaign to surface clips damaging

1:21:10

to opponents, and started tweeting all kinds

1:21:12

of stuff against RFK Junior. Here's one

1:21:14

of their latest ones, a clip of RFK Junior

1:21:16

from I Think It's back in the nineteen nineties going

1:21:19

after Republicans.

1:21:20

Here's what they tweeted.

1:21:21

Out, red state people are more likely

1:21:23

to murder you to impregnate

1:21:26

your teenage daughter to commit

1:21:28

a violent crime against you, to commit

1:21:30

a nonviolent crime against you, to watch

1:21:33

Desperate Housewives on TV, to

1:21:36

buy pornography, to buy, you

1:21:38

know, degenerate video games like Grand

1:21:40

Theft Atto.

1:21:41

He's not wrong on Grand Theft Auto. On

1:21:44

the rest of it, it's a little complicated.

1:21:46

But Chris, I mean, all of this just shows

1:21:48

us that they are freaking out right now, absolutely

1:21:51

losing it because they can read a poll just

1:21:53

like we can, where everybody thought it was gonna be bad for Biden,

1:21:55

but a lot of the evidence now shows it's bad

1:21:57

for Trump. You know what's interesting too, Junior just put out a

1:22:00

new video where he really is putting

1:22:02

himself up against Trump. He put out

1:22:04

a challenge and he's like, President Biden can't win.

1:22:06

I'm challenging him to drop out, and then

1:22:08

I will be the one who goes up against

1:22:10

Trump. And you're like, wow, you're really you know,

1:22:12

you're bringing it to Donald Trump here on every

1:22:15

level on social media, the campaign

1:22:17

is really, you know, going after you.

1:22:19

So it's very interesting what's happened.

1:22:21

I'm just I'm very amused by it because it's

1:22:23

such a monster of their own making. You know,

1:22:25

one of the one of the things that they're

1:22:27

specifically freaked out about is how

1:22:30

much he is a fixture of the like

1:22:32

right wing conservative podcast. He's

1:22:34

gone on with Ben Shapierr, is going with Megan

1:22:36

Kelly, he's on Newsmax, he's on Fox

1:22:38

News. And

1:22:41

the way this happened is very clear. Like when

1:22:43

he was in the Democratic primary, they love this guy.

1:22:45

They loved him, they built him up, he was great. They

1:22:47

had him on because he was a nice cudgel against

1:22:49

the Democrats, and now

1:22:52

because he is ideologically

1:22:55

like the things he's leaned into now are

1:22:57

very coated right wing. And

1:23:00

they built up his favorability among Republicans

1:23:02

by embracing him during that time period,

1:23:05

and you know, really sort of

1:23:07

made him code with the Republicans

1:23:09

as opposed to the Democrats. You can see his approval

1:23:12

rating with Democrats is in the toilet, and his approval

1:23:14

rating with Republicans is sky high. So they

1:23:16

got to do something to bring that down.

1:23:19

The other thing that's interesting is, you

1:23:21

know, his specifically his like anti

1:23:23

vax stances are

1:23:26

the thing that at this point that previously

1:23:28

would have coded as liberal right, but

1:23:30

now it codes very much as Republican.

1:23:33

And the more people

1:23:35

learn about his views on vaccines.

1:23:38

The more Republicans are open to him,

1:23:40

and the more Democrats are, you

1:23:43

know, pushed away from him. We've had some pulling

1:23:45

that the Washington Post highlighted that was interesting

1:23:47

to that effect where effectively

1:23:50

So the headline hear polls show how RFK

1:23:52

juniors appeal to anti vaccine right

1:23:55

could hurt Trump. And they

1:23:57

asked people whether they were aware that

1:24:00

Kennedy claims that autism is linked to vaccines

1:24:02

and that he's floated a theory that COVID was targeted at certain

1:24:05

races. About half of Republicans

1:24:07

said they were aware about six and ten Democrats

1:24:09

said they were aware. After they made people

1:24:11

aware of that, then they asked them again, with this

1:24:13

knowledge, would they consider voting for him. Suddenly,

1:24:16

the percentage of Republicans who said they would

1:24:18

consider Kennedy rose by eight percentage points.

1:24:21

The percentage of Democrats who said they would consider

1:24:23

Kennedy dropped by seven points.

1:24:25

So that's the other challenge I think that

1:24:27

Trump is perhaps realizing is

1:24:30

that the more people actually focus

1:24:32

on Kennedy, focus on the race, learn about

1:24:35

his views, the more appealing

1:24:37

he is to potential Trump

1:24:39

voters versus potential Biden voters.

1:24:42

And you know, the other thing, Sager, is that on

1:24:44

the vaccine specifically, this is an area where

1:24:46

Trump is a little shaky. He's a little

1:24:48

shaky because he's the guy who you know, Operation

1:24:51

Warp speed and made it happen, and

1:24:53

you know, he was in charge during COVID and this

1:24:55

was something that DeSantis tried to capitalize

1:24:58

in his primary run against

1:25:00

Trump, and there wasn't enough constituency for

1:25:02

it during a primary run. But you're not

1:25:04

talking about RFK having to out and out

1:25:06

win. You're talking about are there

1:25:08

a few percentage points of people who

1:25:11

this is their number one issue and they feel like Trump

1:25:13

kind of failed them there and RFK saying all the right things

1:25:15

on this issue. I think that's entirely a plausive.

1:25:17

Absolutely, It's all a game of margins. That's where we're discussing.

1:25:19

That's why Trump is going to the Libertarian Convention.

1:25:22

RFK Junior is the biggest threat both

1:25:24

to Biden and to Trump on the ballot that we've

1:25:26

seen since Ross Puro and since nineteen

1:25:29

sixty eight. So how all these individuals

1:25:31

handle this is going to be really really interesting.

1:25:34

Let's move on to the housing section. We would drop

1:25:36

this from our Tuesday show because we had to interview Jill

1:25:38

Stein, but we didn't want to skip out

1:25:40

on it because there's actually some good news we want to

1:25:42

make sure we included in our show. Let's put it up

1:25:44

there on the screen. Wall Street quote

1:25:46

has spent billions buying homes. Now

1:25:49

a crackdown is looming, so this is

1:25:51

really good. It says that Democrats

1:25:53

in the House and in the Senate have now sponsored

1:25:55

legislation that would specifically force

1:25:58

large owners of single family homes

1:26:00

to have to sell houses to family

1:26:03

buyers. There's now a Republican bill

1:26:05

also in Ohio to drive out

1:26:07

institutional owners through very heavy taxation.

1:26:10

Similar laws being considered in Nebraska,

1:26:12

California, New York, Minnesota,

1:26:15

North Carolina. Homeowners associations

1:26:17

right now are also trying to crack down on

1:26:19

investors from buying and renting out houses

1:26:21

in their neighborhood. And all of the legislative

1:26:23

proposals quote represent a new effort

1:26:26

by elected officials to regulate Wall

1:26:28

Street's appetite for single family

1:26:30

housing. So, according to the Wall Street Journal,

1:26:32

from the latest data that has come out,

1:26:35

they have found that the highest level

1:26:37

ever of single family homes

1:26:39

were purchased by investors by portfolio

1:26:42

size in twenty twenty two, twenty twenty

1:26:44

three, and twenty twenty four, respectively,

1:26:46

and in each case you're actually seeing

1:26:49

a huge increase in the number

1:26:51

of people who actually have over one thousand

1:26:53

homes inside of their company. From

1:26:55

twenty twenty two on we've seen a massive

1:26:57

expansion of that crystal and even

1:27:00

people who own between one hundred and ninety

1:27:02

nine houses. So what's happening

1:27:04

right now is that you'll have smaller investor groups that dabble

1:27:06

in this stuff, then they get rolled up into

1:27:08

a larger private equity group, people like Blackstone,

1:27:11

Blackrock and others. And the overall

1:27:13

effect of this is that we have a huge housing

1:27:16

shortage right now in the country. This is driving

1:27:18

up the house It also means that these people have

1:27:20

tons of cash that they're disposally and come in with an

1:27:22

all cash offer. But the danger

1:27:24

is that when you gobble up all of the houses there in that market,

1:27:27

you can stabilize the rent and increase it to wherever

1:27:29

you want drop services. And then more

1:27:31

importantly, you know, a single family landlord

1:27:33

is somebody who at least usually lives

1:27:36

in the same area. Maybe you know, they can come

1:27:38

over something if the if the

1:27:40

dryer is broken, you know, something like that. But when

1:27:42

you're dealing with the corporation, you know, good luck getting

1:27:44

your services better, right, you know, and they're going to

1:27:46

charge you double for something.

1:27:48

Yeah, and we've covered here the way that more and

1:27:50

more of these companies are using algorithms

1:27:52

to collude and you

1:27:55

know, extract higher rent from

1:27:58

individuals in these markets. So basically,

1:28:00

this is a situation that's bad for renters.

1:28:03

It's bad for would be homeowners who

1:28:05

want to buy that first, that

1:28:08

first home as they start a home, but starter homes aren't

1:28:10

really a thing or given the average price tag

1:28:12

is just insane, and and I think

1:28:14

this is why this actually has a shot at getting through.

1:28:17

It's also bad for existing homeowners

1:28:19

who don't like that their neighborhoods

1:28:21

are being bought off and turned into rentals

1:28:24

because they feel like, you know, renters

1:28:26

are less committed to the area. And whether

1:28:28

this is true or not, but it is true that you're less like

1:28:32

exactly that's I mean. But that's the thing is Nimby's

1:28:34

are extraordinarily powerful, like

1:28:36

actual homeowners are extraordinarily powerful,

1:28:38

and so I only think. I think the reason why

1:28:42

this has so much traction

1:28:44

and actually has a shot at becoming something you

1:28:46

have a little bit of bipartisan interest in support,

1:28:48

is because you've pissed off homeowners. They don't

1:28:51

they don't like this direction. So it's

1:28:53

you know, they don't like it for like I said,

1:28:56

you know, sort of questionable Nimmi reasons, but it

1:28:58

is what it is. And then it's bad for would be home

1:29:00

owners? Is it bad for renters? So you

1:29:02

put that up against you. On the other

1:29:05

side, you have very powerful interest in terms

1:29:07

of these like Wall Street firms that

1:29:09

are buying up all this real estate, and it becomes

1:29:11

an actual battle where you do have some powerful

1:29:13

interests on both sides.

1:29:14

Yeah.

1:29:15

Absolutely, And the reason why this matters

1:29:17

is that right now housing affordability again

1:29:19

is at near record low level.

1:29:21

So let's go put this up there on the screen.

1:29:23

I wanted everybody to see specifically

1:29:25

at what's happening right now with mortgage

1:29:27

rates, where we have seen a stabilization

1:29:30

at seven percent, which is incredibly

1:29:32

high historically, may have dropped a

1:29:34

little bit over the last couple of months, but only

1:29:37

by point one or two percent. So we're now

1:29:39

in a situation where if you have an eight hundred credit

1:29:41

score, the best credit score that exists, you're

1:29:43

still more getting a mortgage rate of some seven point

1:29:45

one percent. And if you are

1:29:48

in the average credit score, let's say under eight

1:29:50

six eighty or something like that, you're getting

1:29:52

what seven point three at seven twenty

1:29:54

or get seven point two. I mean, these are very

1:29:57

very high interest rates. And just to normalize

1:29:59

that, I mean, if put a twenty percent down payment

1:30:01

and you do an average, you know, thirty year mortgage,

1:30:05

the vast majority of your payments

1:30:07

for the first several years are just gonna be interesting.

1:30:09

You're basically just renting your house from the bank

1:30:11

and building up like tiny little slivers

1:30:14

of home equity, as opposed to if you have a

1:30:16

two or a three percent mortgage rate like

1:30:18

they had in the past. So this is

1:30:20

the danger is that right now, not

1:30:23

only are you gonna need that's twenty percent

1:30:25

or whatever to avoid PMI if you're

1:30:27

trying to put down something like

1:30:29

that, but that your mortgage payment

1:30:32

is gonna be so high

1:30:34

even with a very very good credit

1:30:36

score, that it reduces the overall top

1:30:38

line number of what is even accessible

1:30:41

to you, making those banks even

1:30:43

more competitive whenever they are

1:30:45

working in this and there is no sign of

1:30:47

anybody coming to save you.

1:30:48

Let's put this up there please on the screen.

1:30:50

The Federal Reserve just announced yesterday

1:30:53

that they will be holding interest rates steady.

1:30:55

No sign that it will cut soon as

1:30:57

the quote inflation fight stalls.

1:31:00

That's questionable in terms of what

1:31:02

all that means.

1:31:02

But the bottom line is that the expected

1:31:05

election day cuts that

1:31:08

we're supposed to come between

1:31:10

now and November, yeah, it's not happening.

1:31:12

Jerome Powell from basically what Fed

1:31:15

Walkers and all those have shown Crystal, they're not

1:31:17

cutting until November, until after election

1:31:19

day. So, by the way, whoever wins the election is going to be

1:31:22

a lucky sob because the economy

1:31:24

is going to do super well.

1:31:25

After Biden was really hoping for these.

1:31:27

Rate cuts, hoping and praying, yeah, that's what they

1:31:29

needed.

1:31:30

That's why it was really important these last couple

1:31:32

of inflation numbers that came in hotter

1:31:34

than expected and showed their you know,

1:31:36

were still issues there. And instantly

1:31:39

a lot of analysts had been thinking that the

1:31:41

Fed may well cut rates at the next session, and

1:31:44

instantly that was basically off the table.

1:31:46

And even the prospect of them raising rates

1:31:48

came into into you know,

1:31:50

plausible reality. But what we see here is their holding

1:31:52

rate study that means no relief for mortgage

1:31:55

interest rates, you know, no sort of like fueling

1:31:58

the economy and the way that Biden would hope going in to

1:32:00

election day, and I do it. You know, it's obviously

1:32:03

it's extremely important politically because as

1:32:05

much as the abortion

1:32:07

is incredibly critical and you

1:32:09

know, very understandably

1:32:11

emotional for a lot of people and very motivating for a

1:32:13

lot of people, as much as the unconditional

1:32:15

support for Israel is for young voters especially,

1:32:18

you know, significant issue and probably going to

1:32:20

drive a lot of voting behavior. Still overwhelming

1:32:22

with the issue that you know, many

1:32:24

people say is their number one is the economy. I mean,

1:32:26

this is classic politics, one on

1:32:29

one. So the

1:32:31

assumption that had been made here for at

1:32:33

least a little while so that the economy was going to continue

1:32:35

to improve leading

1:32:37

up to election day, and now that's

1:32:39

a lot that picture is a lot

1:32:42

fuzzier and a lot more challenging

1:32:44

for Biden. So I'm sure he's not happy

1:32:46

about this news. But you know, the mortgage

1:32:48

indust rates being the mortgage rates being what they

1:32:50

are is pretty pretty astonishing, and

1:32:53

typically when you have this

1:32:55

sort of situation, you'll see prices

1:32:58

drop to reflect that in creased

1:33:00

costs. But because you have such a limited

1:33:02

supply and you know, partly driven by some

1:33:04

of the Wall Street acquisitions, but also just overall

1:33:06

picture, it's meant that you haven't

1:33:08

gotten that break. So it really is sort of worst of all

1:33:10

worlds in terms of housing market.

1:33:12

For it's bad, it's also it's just dry.

1:33:14

Borrowing costs are so high right now.

1:33:16

You know, good luck to anybody who's trying to get a

1:33:18

loan or anything like that, even a car loan. I mean, I

1:33:20

think car loan's out there are like thirteen fourteen

1:33:22

percent right now, which is wild. Yeah,

1:33:25

some of the Texans who were paying you know, the average

1:33:27

car payment in Texas is like twelve hundred dollars.

1:33:29

Yeah, you guys need to stop buying such expensive

1:33:31

trucks. Do you really need the big

1:33:34

Dot dram or whatever it's is

1:33:36

it the raptor? I see a life, oh thet I

1:33:38

was just down in Texas and I was looking around.

1:33:41

I'm like, why do you end up in my parents' suburban

1:33:43

neighborhood. I'm like what do all you people need a truck

1:33:45

for no offense? Like, I know that it's fun

1:33:47

and probably is, you know, fun to drive, But

1:33:50

what do we do when it's been in seventy grand truck

1:33:52

when you're not all in anything. If you actually

1:33:54

need it, that's a different story. But my point is

1:33:56

just that it's making fun in life right

1:33:58

now.

1:33:58

It's it's a little bit too telling.

1:34:00

Most people who actually need it aren't getting like the

1:34:02

fancy luxury ones.

1:34:03

I've always have the same you now, Yeah, every time I see

1:34:05

actual ranchers, all them, they're driving like a Toyota,

1:34:08

the Coma or something that is unbreakable.

1:34:10

But one fifty one school,

1:34:12

I think it looks cool.

1:34:13

It certainly does, but I've only

1:34:15

driven a truck a couple of times.

1:34:16

I'm not sure it's for me. Let's

1:34:20

move on to Congress.

1:34:21

This is the most important segment I

1:34:23

think in terms of what matters for Washington.

1:34:26

As you can all see the uniparty,

1:34:28

it rewards those who do their

1:34:30

bidding, and so there has been a motion

1:34:33

to vacate effort against Speaker Mike

1:34:35

Johnson by Marjorie Taylor Green

1:34:37

and by Thomas Massey in retaliation

1:34:40

for passing the aid to Ukraine

1:34:42

and to Israel. However, Marjorie

1:34:44

is now actually being attacked by even

1:34:47

pro Maga Republicans who are like, hey,

1:34:49

hold on a second, and she's getting an assist

1:34:51