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The Biden administration and many other liberals

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changing their tune a bit after that

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Israeli airstrike killed seven AID

0:37

workers for World Central Kitchen. We'll tell you about that. We

0:39

also have some big news on the warfront.

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Israel has withdrawn from southern

0:44

Gaza. What does it mean a lot of speculation,

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a lot of questions there, so we'll get into that. We're

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also keeping an eye on how a run

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will retaliate for that Israeli

0:53

strike on their consular building in Syria

0:56

and very dramatic escalations

0:58

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It's a very interesting story.

1:05

Obviously ties in with her being

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1:09

to Israel and possible questions around

1:12

anti Semitism.

1:13

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All right, So we wanted to start with the Biden administration's

2:18

reaction to that strike that killed seven aid

2:20

workers. For Jose Andre's organization, World

2:22

Central Kitchen for the first time,

2:25

they're changing their tune a bit, and

2:28

actually reportedly in a phone call, Biden

2:30

didn't really change US policy, but

2:33

threatened to potentially change

2:35

US policy, and even just

2:37

that threat has compelled

2:39

some changes in behavior on the Israeli side.

2:42

Here is John Kirby, Pentagon spokesperson,

2:45

talking about the possibility that

2:47

military aid in the future could

2:49

be conditioned if Israel does not change

2:51

the way that they are conducting this war.

2:53

Let's take a listen.

2:54

Is the Biden administration position still

2:56

that there should be zero conditions

2:59

on aid military aid to Israel.

3:02

I'm not going to get ahead of the President or decisions

3:04

he might or might not make going forward.

3:07

He was very clear in his call with

3:09

the Prime Minister that if we don't see some

3:11

changes in their policies in

3:13

Gaza and the way they're prosecuting operations,

3:16

We're going to have to make some changes.

3:17

In our You do think these are Israeli policies?

3:19

Then a new block.

3:21

Eight they have.

3:22

They get to decide how they prosecute this war. It's

3:24

their operation. We just talked about them pulling troops

3:26

out. What that means. They get to decide how they

3:29

prosecute operations. We get to decide how we're going

3:31

to react to that and how we're going to administer

3:33

our own policy with respect to Gaza. We make

3:36

those decisions, and the President was clear with the

3:38

Prime Minister. If there's not changes, if things

3:40

don't get better, then we're going to have to make changes

3:42

of our own.

3:43

If things don't get better, then we're going to have to make changes

3:45

of our own. Leaving it very vague,

3:48

The President also asked about what

3:50

all of this means in a short exchange on

3:52

the fly.

3:53

Let's take listen what he had to say.

3:54

We do breaton documentitary, Hey,

3:56

they thread, I have them agree

3:59

what they're doing.

4:04

Helpful there. I asked them to do what they're

4:06

doing. All right, Well, let's dig into a little bit of

4:09

what they are doing. Let's put this up

4:11

on the screen from Axio. So immediately

4:13

after that phone call, Israel announced

4:15

that they had agreed to increase humanitarian aid

4:17

delivery to Gaza. There's

4:20

a number of actions that they're taking on this

4:22

front. So they're opening the

4:24

arrest crossing the Northern Gaza Strip. That would

4:26

be the first time since October

4:28

seventh. We also have a quote from Kamala

4:30

Harris in this piece. She said, the President made

4:33

clear we will make sure Israel isn't left without the

4:35

ability to defend itself. At the same

4:37

time, if there are no changes to their approach, we

4:39

are likely to change our approach. So very similar

4:41

to Kirby's comments, let's go ahead

4:43

and put up the fifth

4:46

element on the screen here, guys, to

4:48

show you the additional actions that

4:50

were taken. So the UN says

4:52

that Israel also approved the reopening

4:54

of twenty bakeries and a water pipeline

4:57

in northern Gaza. There are also some additional

4:59

legis efforts that they are

5:02

claiming that they're going to make in order to

5:04

create a better functioning coordination

5:06

so that more aid can enter the strip.

5:09

And in addition, according to the

5:11

Israelis yesterday saw

5:13

three hundred and twenty two AID trucks entering.

5:16

The Gaza Strip.

5:17

That is the highest daily number of AID

5:19

trucks that has entered the enclave since October

5:22

seventh. Again, this is according to Israeli official

5:24

So take that for what it's worth, as reported

5:26

by Barack Revide. But you

5:28

know, there's a couple things that are noteworthy

5:30

here. I mean, first of all, the

5:33

Israelis have long been saying, oh, we're not doing anything

5:35

to blockade, We're doing everything we can to get aided.

5:38

Oh really, Well, it turns out

5:40

that you could, at the snap of finger open

5:43

new crossings, reinstate

5:45

a pipeline, reopen twenty bakeries

5:48

that have been shuttered, increased coordination,

5:50

immediately surge the number of AID trucks coming

5:52

through. So this line that they've been feeding

5:55

you all for months now, that all we're doing

5:57

everything obviously complete and utter bullshit.

6:00

Second, really noteworthy point here is

6:02

for the people are saying, oh, well, Israel's a sovereign country.

6:04

We really don't how many say over what they do. The

6:07

Biden administration did not even change

6:09

policy. He made one

6:11

phone call where he threatened

6:14

to potentially in some amorphis

6:16

way change policy in the

6:18

future, and that was sufficient

6:21

to compel a change in behavior from

6:23

the Israelis.

6:23

Well, it validates a couple of points we've been talking

6:25

a lot about here. Number one is that, yes, there

6:28

is some certain personal sovereignty

6:30

that Israel has, but there's also a client state relationship

6:32

here. This is the nation that has received more

6:34

foreign aid than any other country in the

6:37

entire history of the US if you look at

6:39

the overall dollar amount that we've given

6:41

to Israel, and for vast majority of

6:43

that is military aid. On top of that, Biden

6:45

administration has been a critical lifeline to

6:47

the Israeli military whenever it comes

6:49

to its weapons, and we've also seen

6:52

a pretty major change in their battle strategy.

6:54

Let's put this up there on the screen.

6:56

There's a lot to say about this, and nobody really quite

6:58

knows because you could see either way. I please put

7:01

yes IDF is ending quote its

7:03

active ground invasion and completely

7:05

withdrawing from southern Gaza. This is from

7:07

the Jerusalem Post, which is more of a right wing organization

7:10

inside Israel, and they say that the decision

7:12

comes less than two days after Israel opened the

7:14

Aras crossing and the Eshdod port to

7:16

transfer humanitarian aid. I do

7:19

want to spend some time on this because I saw actually

7:21

some interesting analysis from again Israeli

7:23

commentators, and one who in English

7:26

put it this way. He says, these are two very concerning

7:28

data points from Gaza.

7:29

One.

7:30

After the multi week campaign in and around Al

7:32

Shifa, mortars are still being fired

7:34

at the IDEF from northern Gaza as

7:36

troops are leaving the Gaza Strip. This

7:39

shows that the enemy still has quote plenty of forces

7:41

in the north too.

7:42

After months of battles.

7:43

Now in Communis by the ninety eighth Division and

7:45

its commando Brigrade, four soldiers were

7:47

just killed yesterday, announced by the

7:49

IDF. This shows that the enemy still uses

7:52

tunnels and has weapons despite months

7:54

of being chased around. The problem with

7:56

the strategy of clear and not hold is that it seems

7:58

to inevitably mean Hamas returns now.

8:00

He's writing it from a very like pro is

8:02

really military perspective. But the reason

8:04

why it really struck out to me is that even the clear

8:06

ride is really military. Analysts inside

8:09

the country are like, hey, this entire

8:11

military campaign did not actually achieve

8:14

it's so called military end we have rockets

8:16

and military capability in northern

8:19

Gaza and in Conunis,

8:21

both of which were promised as the

8:23

justification. You can see majority from

8:25

the US commentators and even defenders

8:27

of military strategy is it's working,

8:29

and yeah there's a high civilian casualty,

8:31

but what are you going to do? But this is actually evidence

8:34

that the enemy both retains

8:36

its military capacity, that they

8:38

have not been able to destroy Hamas,

8:41

and that even with all of their tactics,

8:43

their effective free fire zone, etc.

8:45

That it hasn't worked, Which is I mean, frankly

8:47

predictable from the start with the way that

8:49

they've decided to wage the war.

8:51

It is not only predictable from the start, it

8:53

was predicted from the start, including

8:55

by people who are not you know, deep

8:58

military experts such as ourselves,

9:00

the idea that you were going to defeat

9:02

Hamas and that was going

9:04

to be the you know, the actual goal of the strategy.

9:07

I mean, it never made sense from day one,

9:09

first of all, that you would even be able to do

9:11

that or what that even means. Second

9:14

of all, the tactics from the beginning, remember

9:16

we covered those comments from JOCKO about this. The

9:19

tactics were never consistent with

9:21

that goal. The tactics were consistent

9:24

with revenge. The tactics were consistent with annihilation.

9:26

The tactics were consistent with collective

9:29

punishment of the entire civilian population,

9:31

which is where you know, the siege comes

9:33

into play.

9:34

And I've got a lot more on how.

9:36

Those tactics actually were

9:38

decided on and how they were executed in the

9:40

field in my monologue today. But the idea

9:43

that this was some you know, hunt for Hamas

9:45

and it was really this targeted military

9:48

campaign directly at Hamas, that

9:50

was preposterous from the jump.

9:53

But now they're at a place where

9:55

they can sort of no longer sustain the lie,

9:58

even amongst you know, our own supporters

10:01

who want to believe the lie, who

10:03

want to believe that justification. It

10:05

becomes too preposterous for

10:08

anyone who is looking at this thing clearly

10:10

to sustain. So what

10:13

the Israeli Defense Ministerio

10:15

of Glant is saying about their withdrawal

10:17

from communists from southern Gaza,

10:19

leaving a very minimal number honestly of soldiers

10:22

still remaining in the Gaza strip. Basically they

10:24

are posted up along the corridor

10:27

between North and South. This dividing line to

10:30

prevent Palestinians from returning

10:32

to their homes in northern Gaza. That

10:34

is the bulk of where the troops remain in the Gaza

10:37

Strip now, they claim, and US

10:39

Intelligence has also put out a statement to the

10:41

same effect that the reason they are

10:43

withdrawing from communists and southern Gaza

10:45

at this time is to rest up and

10:48

prepare the operation for Rafa.

10:50

We know that Natanyahu has.

10:52

Very aggressively asserted that there is

10:54

no way he will be deterred from

10:56

going into Rafa. That is

10:58

still hanging out there. So what this actually

11:01

means, I think it's very honestly difficult

11:03

to say at this point and what it means for the future.

11:05

The other thing that's hanging over this, you

11:08

know, with a lot of question marks, is there are ongoing

11:10

negotiations occurring in Qatar for

11:13

some sort of ceasefire. Don't

11:16

know the length, don't know the contours of that, don't

11:18

know how likely that is to actually come to fruition.

11:20

But one of the things Hamas has been insisting

11:23

on is some sort of IDF

11:25

withdrawal. So the other possibility

11:27

is this withdrawal a precursor

11:30

to some sort of either temporary or

11:32

more lasting ceasefire deal.

11:34

We simply don't know.

11:36

At this point, but obviously the fact that there was

11:38

such a significant withdrawal from southern

11:40

Gaza is incredibly significant

11:43

and something to really keep our eyes on now

11:45

in terms of Netan Yahoo and his domestic

11:48

political situation, as we've said a

11:50

million times, and we're not the only ones, he

11:52

has to keep this war going, to hold

11:54

on to his position and power.

11:57

Obviously, there are huge questions about him

11:59

leading to October seventh. He is deeply

12:02

unpopular in Israel almost across

12:04

the board. Once the war is

12:06

over, there will be a clamoring for new

12:08

elections and he will be in big trouble. Bet

12:11

So, I think he almost has to hold

12:13

on to, you know, a potential a

12:15

Rafa invasion, as he asserts, as

12:17

a certainty, he has to hold on

12:19

to, you know, what's going on in northern Israel

12:22

and their tit for tat escalations

12:24

with Hezbola that still has the possibility

12:27

of really.

12:28

Flaring up and escalating.

12:29

And then we're going to talk more in the next block about

12:32

this additional front that he's opened up

12:34

directly vis a vis Iran and what

12:36

that could mean. For the future, because again,

12:38

his political fate depends on keeping

12:41

this war going, which is why I'm a little bit skeptical

12:43

that the withdrawal of troops from southern

12:46

Gaza at this point really spells like, oh,

12:48

they're actually winding things down and this is coming

12:50

to some sort of a close.

12:51

I think that they're trying to keep their options open. But

12:53

I mean, again, these really right wing is actually

12:55

reading it as a defeat. So apparently I'm

12:57

reading back here again from a translation. But

13:00

the Israeli radio this morning, resh

13:02

At B, apparently a large radio organization,

13:04

said this morning that basically Hamas is getting

13:06

a lot of what it wanted and that the withdrawal

13:08

of forces from Communist is basically quote

13:11

a kind of sea.

13:11

Sire without it being official.

13:13

They also say that considering the narrative during

13:15

the war that there won't be Hamas and military pressure

13:18

is bringing the release of hostages, we are wondering

13:20

now if those talking points will be quietly shelved.

13:23

So I think they're in a holding pattern. I don't think they really

13:25

know what they're doing. Of course, they're going to try

13:27

and say face and be like no, no, no, we're going into

13:29

Rafa but international pressure and changes

13:32

and wins here in the US very clearly

13:35

dramatically shifting after the strike on

13:37

the World Central Kitchen. I don't get me wrong, I would

13:39

not put it past them whatsoever. And if things change,

13:41

if these things fail, or if something else happens,

13:44

that could influence events very much, could

13:46

be possible. But regardless,

13:48

I think we're in an interesting kind of.

13:49

A flux situation right now that could go in

13:51

two different directions.

13:52

Yeah.

13:53

Absolutely, I think my personal

13:55

assessment is that BB

13:57

has to hold on to the invasion

14:00

is coming.

14:01

Yeah.

14:01

I think he said it so clearly and

14:04

made that promise so clearly so many times.

14:06

I really don't think he can back off

14:08

of it without, you know, immediately

14:11

jeopardizing his political position, which

14:13

is his end all feel. I mean, he's an ideological

14:15

actor, but he's also first and foremost

14:18

a political animal. There's a reason that he has held power

14:20

so often and for so long in Israeli

14:22

society. So I think

14:24

he has to stick to that pledge.

14:27

But perhaps there's you know, responding

14:29

to this tiniest bit of US

14:31

pressure that the Biden administration has

14:34

put on of you know, let's back off for

14:36

a bit and let things cool down, let a

14:38

little bit more of a trickle of aid flow into

14:40

the strip in response to these concerns from

14:43

the Americans. And again, just

14:45

take note, take note everyone.

14:48

It did not even take an actual change

14:50

in policy to compel some

14:53

changes on the Israeli side. All

14:55

it took was the threat of

14:57

possible future undefined

15:00

action, and we saw immediate.

15:02

Response from the Israelis.

15:04

So keep that in mind the next time they try to gaslight

15:06

you into oh Biden's doing all he can,

15:08

and oh we just you know, we're just impotent.

15:10

We have no power in this situation.

15:13

That is nonsense. That is utter and complete

15:15

nonsense. The

15:19

strike on these is by

15:22

the Israelis on the World Central Kitchen

15:24

Aid workers has had tremendous

15:26

fallout, I would say, especially among American

15:29

liberals, which is interesting

15:31

for a variety of reasons. But chefjose

15:33

Andres himself speaking out over

15:35

the weekend and taking a very hard

15:37

line against the Israelis here

15:40

really calling into question their quote unquote

15:42

investigation into what happened.

15:44

Let's take a listen to a bit of what he had to

15:46

say.

15:47

We could argue that the first one, let's say,

15:49

was a mistake

15:53

the second. The

15:55

third, do

15:58

you believe.

16:00

Old Central Kitchen was

16:02

targeted on purpose?

16:07

My humanity tells me that Obviously, I don't

16:09

want to believe that was a kitchen was targeted,

16:13

and probably this was not

16:15

the case because I'm sure

16:17

they knew our movements. I'm sure they knew

16:20

our teams. I'm sure they were in the red content

16:24

with the different people that coordinate

16:27

in these situations. But obviously

16:30

this seems keeps happening, this breaking

16:33

of communications keeps happening.

16:36

You wrote a very emotional tweet this

16:38

week about Zomy, saying,

16:40

I wish I never founded your organization.

16:43

You would be alive somewhere today, smiling

16:45

and making somebody somewhere feel like they were

16:47

the most beloved person in the

16:49

world. Said

16:52

you wish you'd never found it

16:55

Central Kitchen.

16:56

You know, I

16:59

will forever have to live with this, as

17:01

well as the families and all the members

17:04

of Los Andel Gitchen.

17:05

I

17:08

I.

17:10

Founded with one very simple idea, can

17:12

we provide food and water quicker than anybody

17:14

else?

17:15

Obviously, something like this makes you think we

17:17

did what we did.

17:18

Because it's a lot of people that are always forgotten,

17:21

many civilians, women, children,

17:23

that the only thing they did was trying to get close

17:25

by to somewhere that they were giving them

17:27

flower or breadth. This

17:30

is not anymore about the seven men

17:33

and women of World Central Kitchen that perish

17:35

on this unfortunate e

17:37

band.

17:38

This is happening. Wait for too long.

17:41

It's been six months of targeting

17:44

anything that seems moves. This

17:46

doesn't seem a war against terror.

17:49

This doesn't seem anymore a war about

17:51

defending Israel. This

17:53

really, at this point seems is a war against

17:56

humanity itself.

17:57

So obviously some really strong

18:00

comments there made by Chef jose Andre

18:03

saying this doesn't seem anymore a war about

18:05

defending Israel. This really, at

18:07

this point seems it's a war against humanity

18:10

itself.

18:10

Remember early on.

18:12

He was a supporter of this war

18:15

early on, so to hear that from him

18:17

is quite striking. In an

18:19

addition, suggesting they were targeted

18:22

directly calling for an independent

18:24

investigation, calling into question the results

18:27

of the Israeli investigation that already

18:29

occurred, talking about it seems that they

18:32

are targeting everything that moves, killing

18:34

women and children whose only crime is

18:36

seeking out a loaf of.

18:37

Bread or a bag of flour.

18:40

Let's go ahead and pull up this next piece,

18:42

this IDF investigation that

18:45

occurred and what they claim to

18:47

have found. So they dismissed two

18:49

officers over those deadly

18:51

drone strikes on aid workers. Basically,

18:54

they're sticking with this, with

18:57

this story that somebody

19:00

spotted a supposed militant

19:03

with a gun, not even a militant, just a person

19:05

with a gun, and that

19:07

that was enough for a

19:10

strike on this aid convoy to

19:12

be authorized. And again keep

19:14

in mind, first of all, in

19:17

a war zone, it is entirely appropriate

19:19

to have someone with a gun escorting

19:21

an aid convoy. Second of all,

19:24

as jose Andres himself indicating

19:26

as you could see in that photo that was just up on

19:28

the screen, all three of the vehicles

19:31

had the World Central Kitchen logo on

19:33

the top. They were coordinating

19:35

directly with the IDF. They

19:37

were traveling along a known

19:40

deconfliction route. They

19:42

were following protocol to a

19:44

t. Every communication

19:47

was made to try to ensure that

19:49

the Israelis knew, hey, we are leaving

19:51

our warehouse and we are heading

19:53

out in these vehicles. And

19:56

did they weren't struck once, they

19:58

weren't struck twice, They were struck three

20:01

times, and we're supposed

20:03

to believe that, you know, it was Oh,

20:06

it was just a mistake. It was just a misunderstanding.

20:08

We couldn't see the World Central Kitchen logo

20:10

in the darkness, so that was

20:13

what they found.

20:14

But even soager if.

20:15

You believe their story,

20:17

it really demonstrates the

20:20

actual rules of engagement

20:22

on the ground, which even the

20:24

theoretical potential presence

20:27

at one point of someone with the

20:29

gun was enough to justify

20:31

the murder of seven aid workers

20:34

using three different drug strikes.

20:35

Yeah.

20:35

I don't want to sound insensitive, but part of what has annoyed

20:38

me about the turn on this we're about to get to this is

20:40

that it took the killing of these

20:42

Western aid workers to prompt

20:44

this. This has been self evident since

20:47

what the very day that they announced

20:50

what was it that they announced that they were doing a complete

20:52

siege into the Gaza strip, Like we have

20:55

known from day one, this was evident

20:57

whenever three Israeli hostages came

20:59

out of a building waving a white flag

21:01

in Hebrew saying we are hostages, and they shot

21:03

them dead because the rules of engagement were

21:06

so it wasn't enough when they killed their own people.

21:08

It wasn't enough whenever they killed people on

21:10

camera. At this point, if you are living on the internet

21:12

and you have watched videos of the IDF

21:15

that's engaged in combat, you have known that this

21:17

is what the rules of engagement were. Nobody

21:19

was fired or held.

21:20

To video for that they put

21:23

out.

21:23

That's what I mean.

21:23

In many instances, by the way.

21:25

It was only when a member of DC

21:27

Royalty was personally affected

21:30

by this, as everybody decided to like pearl

21:32

clutch around them.

21:32

I'm not erasing the lives of these aid

21:35

workers.

21:36

It's just such a self interested

21:38

portrait that I actually want people at

21:40

home to take in. Jose Andrace

21:42

is royalty in this town. He owns a bunch of restaurants.

21:44

You know, his world's central kitchen stuff is always

21:47

that's like secondary. He is a social

21:49

pillar of Washington, has been for

21:52

me at least fifteen twenty years.

21:54

All of the news anchors that were about to show

21:56

you who are now quote turning on Israel, they're

21:58

all friends with him. They have all dined in his restaurants.

22:01

That's the only reason that they are changing

22:03

their tunes. So do not be mistaken that this

22:05

has been some major change

22:08

of consciousness as usual in DC.

22:12

It's only whenever people are personally

22:14

affected by something.

22:15

I guess that's human nature.

22:16

That is the only thing they can genuinely compel anything

22:19

to change, which in my opinion, is frankly outrageous. If

22:21

you're going to look at a situation on its

22:23

merits or.

22:23

Not, it's certainly the nature

22:25

of these people. I don't think you could say it's human

22:27

nature when you see, you know, the overwhelming

22:30

bulk of public opinion, when you see the protesters

22:32

in the street, most of whom don't have

22:34

a personal stake in this conflict,

22:36

don't know people who are dying

22:39

and being starved to death in real time.

22:41

They were able to see the humanity of

22:44

Palestinians and the horror of the situation

22:46

before someone who they personally knew

22:49

was impacted. But such is

22:51

the narcissism and the

22:53

bubble and the casual dehumanization

22:56

that you know, the elites in Washington

22:58

swimen that it wasn't even

23:01

This is important too, to underscore your

23:03

point, Soccer, It's not like these are the

23:05

first even aid work Western aid workers

23:07

who have been killed. True, there's

23:09

some two hundred plus aid

23:12

workers who have been killed in this conflict.

23:14

We've had, you know, doctors who are We've had professors

23:16

who are killed.

23:18

We've seen the utter destruction.

23:19

I mean, this has been in front of our eyes

23:21

since the beginning, truly, as you said,

23:24

since they announced a complete siege. How

23:26

can you sustain the concept that,

23:29

oh, this is a targeted hunt for Hamas when

23:31

by definition, complete siege means you are

23:33

holding the entire population

23:36

hostage. So it wasn't

23:38

when they were targeted attacks on journalists.

23:41

It wasn't even you know that there was an

23:43

American citizen here. It was that a personal

23:46

friend of theirs was impacted.

23:49

That's what it took.

23:51

But it has apparently created

23:53

a dramatic change in the

23:55

way that some liberals are now viewing this conflict.

23:57

You can almost see it too in the news.

24:00

Rich like the we

24:02

have covered.

24:03

So much the anesthetic,

24:05

like sanitized language

24:07

that's used when it comes to Palestinians

24:10

being killed versus Israeli's

24:12

being killed. You can even see in real

24:15

time some of that language shift

24:17

in terms of the news coverage. But put

24:19

this next piece up on the screen. I

24:22

never expected to see

24:24

this headline. Nancy Pelosi,

24:27

who just basically minutes

24:29

ago was smearing any sort

24:31

of ceasefire protesters as being paid

24:33

by Russia or being paid by China, et cetera.

24:36

She has now joined onto a letter

24:39

calling to halt US weapons

24:41

transfers to Israel. Now

24:43

there are some caveats with regards to this letter.

24:46

The language is a little squishy, right,

24:48

let me read you a little bit. It says, in

24:51

part, in light of the recent strike against

24:53

aid workers and the ever worsening humanitarian

24:55

crisis, we believe it is unjustifiable to

24:57

approve these weapons transfers. That

25:00

letter, they go on to write in Axios, which

25:02

was released after the IDF anounced initial findings

25:04

of its investigation to the attack, includes a

25:06

call for an independent probe if

25:09

this strike, they write, is found to

25:11

a violated US or international law, we

25:13

urge you to continue with holding these transfers

25:15

until those responsible are held accountable.

25:18

So, again, the letter doesn't go so far

25:20

as to say just cut off the weapons transfers.

25:22

And that's that they're saying. We want an independent

25:24

investigation. We say we want accountability.

25:27

If you do those things, then you can continue transferring

25:29

the weapons. But the fact that Nancy Pelosi

25:32

signed onto this at all with any

25:34

sort of language in the direction of potentially

25:36

possibly conditioning arms transfers

25:39

is pretty extraordinary.

25:40

Maybe it's because just on January

25:42

thirty first, twenty twenty four, so three months ago, Nancy

25:45

Pelosi nominated Jose Andres for the Nobel

25:47

Peace Prize, and Nancy Pelosi has

25:49

often a lot of the work of Jose Andres, of

25:51

whom which he has appeared before with

25:54

several times. It's just it's all a club,

25:56

like it's all just a social club. If anybody

25:58

in the social club is effective and something is

26:01

changed, otherwise it doesn't it doesn't even

26:03

matter. This is actually a key inside too into why

26:05

ukraine Mania has taken over Washington,

26:07

Because there's freaking Ukrainians all over this

26:10

town, and because for some reason,

26:12

Ukrainians are the only human beings on planet

26:14

Earth that are supposed to be like whatever.

26:17

If they're being invaded, then it's a threat

26:19

on democracy. Russia is the great

26:21

enemy. Russia Gate also played a good role.

26:23

But you know, to pay very close attention as to who

26:25

is granted personhood status and who is not.

26:27

That's right, that's right, And listen, I'm

26:29

glad that they're shifting their view, but

26:32

it is I saw someone say on Twitter

26:34

like it is just two on the nose that

26:37

what it took is for their like wealthy

26:39

liberal friend to be directly

26:41

impacted before they could see

26:43

what has been obvious to the

26:46

overwhelming majority of the world since

26:49

the or very early days of

26:51

this conflict. You reference this before,

26:53

but just to give you a sense of

26:55

how the tone and approach to

26:57

Israel has changed, just like this, like

27:00

flipped on a dime. We've got

27:02

a little compilation here for you, just to

27:04

set it up. We've got Morning Joe, really,

27:07

you know, taken a task an Israeli econ

27:09

Minster. Now, his choice of line

27:11

of questioning is interesting.

27:14

We can talk about it after the fact, but the aggressiveness

27:17

of the tone is kind of what's noteworthy.

27:18

Here.

27:19

You have Jen Saki,

27:22

Biden's former press secretary,

27:24

actually talking about possibly

27:26

conditioning AID and criticizing

27:29

directly the Biden administration approach.

27:31

I haven't personally heard her criticize the Biden

27:34

administration on anything since she

27:36

left that post, so that was very noteworthy.

27:38

And then you have former CIA director

27:40

Leon Panetta making

27:43

some extraordinary claims about the way that the

27:45

Israeli Army operates. In

27:48

general, you definitely want to hear that. Take a listen

27:50

to all of those.

27:51

You're feeding that wolf, and you're telling

27:53

that wolf to feed

27:55

the Nazis and Daza. So

27:58

explain to me, because I really

28:00

want to know. Why was Benjamin

28:03

Netanyahu and his government funding

28:06

they.

28:06

Were allies with.

28:08

Cutter and the funding of

28:10

Hamas?

28:11

Why.

28:12

I think it's a mistake, and it

28:14

was uncovered October seventh. October

28:17

seventh demonstrated that if you think you could

28:19

buy quiet peace by

28:21

funding Hamas, it's a huge mistake

28:24

and.

28:24

It's weird to me.

28:25

Why did Benjamin metan Yahoo knowing

28:27

that their charter said

28:31

that they were to kill Jews and

28:33

eradicate Israel. Why

28:35

would any leader of

28:38

Israel work to

28:41

fund that organization to

28:43

the tune of hundreds of millions

28:46

of dollars.

28:47

Look, clearly, the strategy that the

28:50

United States is implementing at

28:52

this point is not working to change the behavior

28:54

of Prime Minister net Yahoo is not working to.

28:56

End the war.

28:57

So obviously something has to change,

29:00

and I think it's pretty clear they're discussing

29:02

that, I think in the White House, and I hope in the White

29:04

House, in this situation room at this point

29:06

in time, the question is what that will be.

29:09

You have to be able to verify

29:11

it, to take time to make sure that

29:14

the information that you're getting is

29:16

accurate with regards to targets.

29:19

And I have to tell you that in

29:21

the past, at least in my experience,

29:24

the Israelis usually fire and

29:27

then ask questions.

29:28

The Israelis usually fire and then ask

29:30

questions, What did you make of those various

29:32

comments?

29:32

The last one in particular, I was just telling you what was

29:34

playing. Leon Panetta was a man who had

29:37

the greenlit a huge portion of the Obama

29:39

drone program. I mean, and if

29:41

we were to take at the worst the civilian

29:43

casualties under the Obama drone program

29:46

with some ninety something percent at best,

29:48

it was like maybe forty five to fifty percent. Don't

29:50

exactly want to hear it from mister Panetta who

29:53

did some of that behavior, But I mean, I guess it's one

29:55

of those where you could take it from his word.

29:58

At the very least, you could say this BLO Bob

30:00

is shifting against them.

30:01

Panetta.

30:02

I should remind people former Secretary of Defense,

30:04

former CIA director at one point advocated

30:06

for literal war with Russia. We can roll

30:08

the tape if anybody wants to go and check

30:11

it.

30:11

So for somebody like.

30:12

Him to change his tune, I would say, it's certainly

30:14

noteworthy. The Morning Joe piece is just

30:16

like, what are we doing here?

30:17

Dude?

30:18

We were talking about this on October eighth.

30:21

No, actually, I think our first show was October ninth. Okay,

30:23

so October ninth. That was the very first time

30:25

that you heard it here.

30:26

On the show. It was a legitimate point of view and conversation

30:30

about how we got here and want some of the backup

30:32

about.

30:32

Babe bolstered Hummas, like to create a divide

30:34

between the West Bank and Gaza, built

30:37

them up and funded them and even made

30:39

explicit comments about how

30:41

if you want to block a two state solution, you

30:44

need to bolster Humas.

30:46

But yeah, that that is

30:48

the conversation.

30:49

Now, so why is that the conversation? Yeah, what are exactly

30:51

are we doing here?

30:51

Okay?

30:52

I just want to return to this.

30:53

One of their friends was personally affected by the situation,

30:56

So now everybody's got it's like Jensaki,

30:58

I can't.

30:59

It would be difficult to.

31:00

Count the number of times she's probably personally

31:03

eaten at Jose Andres establishment.

31:05

And when you're in the White House. He's there all the time.

31:07

He was there. You know, this is like a by Parson

31:09

thing. Don't get me wrong.

31:10

When Trump he was a celebrity here in

31:12

Washington too, So for them, Israel's

31:14

only real crime was hitting a

31:17

staff member of somebody who is

31:19

basically royalty here in Washington.

31:21

But that was enough for people in the media to change.

31:23

So I don't know, you keep saying over and over again.

31:26

Just to comments on some of the specific

31:28

comments. Part of what I thought was really noteworthy

31:30

about Panetta's comments is they weren't

31:33

confined specifically to this

31:35

onslaught in Gaza. He

31:38

said, the Israelis usually

31:40

fire and then ask questions, So

31:43

it is extraordinary. It's quite

31:45

noteworthy for a member

31:47

and good standing of the BLOB to cast

31:50

dispersions over Israeli military conduct

31:52

across not just this war, but many

31:54

previous conflicts and mowings of

31:57

the grass previously, and would

31:59

have been unthinking up till basically

32:02

this moment and would have probably

32:04

you know, gotten you tagged as an anti Semite or

32:06

whatever. And the line previously

32:09

was always all this is the most moral alarmy on the

32:11

planet, et cetera. So that was no worthy

32:13

to me. The Saki thing speaks for itself.

32:15

The fact that she even feels compelled to critique the

32:17

administration.

32:18

It's a little bit of.

32:19

You know, kid gloves or whatever, but that she says anything

32:21

against them is noteworthy in

32:23

the morning, Joe one, because

32:26

the line of questioning is so strange

32:28

at this moment, It's so not

32:30

the point of what people are really concerned

32:33

about right now, when you have somewhere

32:36

around forty thousand Palestinians

32:38

who have been killed, you have the entire Gaza

32:40

strip completely decimated and in

32:42

rubble. You know, you have obviously the killing

32:44

of these aid workers. You have this situation

32:46

that could spiral out of control with regard to this, you

32:48

know, attack on the Iran Consular building

32:51

and you're going back to almost attack Bbe

32:54

from the right of You

32:56

were supporting Hamas and you were bolstering

32:58

Hamas, and you were too supportive of Hamas.

33:02

My read into it is that Joe

33:04

Scarborough is smart enough to know that the

33:06

moment has changed, that he can't

33:08

have this Israeli government person on and

33:11

just play patty cakes with him the way that he

33:13

would have, you know a week ago before this

33:15

strike. But he doesn't actually really want

33:18

to criticize what's happening in Gaza

33:20

right now. So this was the line

33:22

of question that he felt like was safe

33:25

for all of his various constituent audiences,

33:28

but could sort of like bluster to the

33:30

Mourning Joe audience and you know, the liberals

33:32

who watch MSNBC that he was being tough on

33:34

Israel but not in a way that actually matters

33:37

right now. For what it's worth, That's what I read

33:39

into the Morning Joe exchange.

33:41

There the last one we wanted to show

33:43

you, which this is very striking

33:46

Senator Tim Kaine, who is you

33:48

know, the most kind of mainline,

33:51

run of the mill Democrats.

33:52

With a few exceptions.

33:53

He's kind of good on like on

33:56

like the surveillance, mass surveillance,

33:58

and then he has a few things where he but

34:00

typically just like the most run of the mill,

34:03

mainstream Democrat. He made

34:05

a suggestion that are

34:07

troops that are being sent to build this peer

34:09

which are coming from Virginia, so he has you know,

34:11

direct stake as their representative in the

34:14

Senate that not only could they be

34:16

in danger from Hamas and other

34:19

militants, they could be in danger

34:21

from the IDF themselves.

34:23

Let's take a listen to that.

34:24

Even this US military operation.

34:27

These are some troops that are

34:29

deployed out of Virginia. Fort Eustas in Virginia

34:31

in charge of this marine peer operation. We

34:34

knew when we announced that they might be

34:36

in harms way from Hamas. But you

34:39

know, after the events of this week, anybody

34:41

doing humanitarian aid is going to wonder if

34:43

they're in harms way from the IDF.

34:45

So suggesting that US troops could

34:47

be in harms way from the IDF, what did you make of

34:49

that, Zager?

34:50

Yeah, I mean, obviously I think it's very important. And

34:52

what I think is we get what people look.

34:55

This has opened up a conversation. We

34:57

are allowed to talk now about conduct

34:59

as will affect foreigners who are in

35:02

Gaza. This is basically how the expansion

35:04

of the Overton window gets save the overturn window

35:06

for the Canvaswin's discussion. The point

35:09

is is that as this is changing

35:11

and things are going to a point where

35:14

they're trying to send the signal basically,

35:16

they're trying to salvage their ability to be pro

35:18

Israel in the future by putting

35:21

down some of these noteworthy comments. And here

35:23

with immense pressure I think, to try and back up

35:25

Biden, and generally the other

35:27

Western countries, including the European Union, which

35:29

we often don't talk about, but they're very, very

35:31

different on this issue than even here, Even the pro

35:34

Israel nations are much more willing to criticize

35:36

to pressure to try and recognize Palestinian

35:38

statehood. I think things are very obviously going

35:40

in a certain direction, and they are kind

35:43

of leading from behind in the old Obama

35:46

speak, But I.

35:46

Mean, I think it is true.

35:48

I think it's what's really crazy to

35:50

me to watch here with Biden is the vacillation

35:52

his being his hand quote

35:55

unquote being forced only when a member of Washington

35:57

Royalty is personally affected, never

35:59

at actually leading with principle or with guidance,

36:02

or it's just the absence of leadership in

36:04

this with both with his own personal ideology,

36:06

stubbornness, and really the see team of people

36:09

he has with him is just so self evident

36:11

in the entire handling of this discussion.

36:13

Yeah, and I don't want to make

36:15

too much of this shift,

36:18

because I think it's entirely possible that

36:20

Israel does just enough of, you

36:22

know, letting a little more aid trucks in opening

36:25

another crossing doing enough

36:28

to placate the Biden administration

36:30

and to go back to those original Biden comments

36:33

that we played you to me. That's what his

36:35

comments are indicative of. He says, Oh, I

36:37

asked them to do what they're doing, indicating

36:39

Oh, he's satisfied with the response.

36:41

It's enough for him.

36:42

And I think it is very possible,

36:45

if not likely, that we still

36:47

don't really see a change in US policy,

36:49

that the Biden administration goes back to basically

36:52

lockstep support and points

36:54

to these few little, you know, additional

36:56

crumbs that were thrown out here from Israel

36:58

as some big win, big humanitarian

37:01

win, and we go back to business

37:03

as usual. I think that's probably the

37:05

most likely outcome here. So again, I don't want to make

37:07

too much of it, but you

37:09

know, between not just this

37:12

strike on jose Andres humanitarian

37:14

aid workers, but also the political

37:16

writing is just so clear on the wall.

37:19

Now there's another piece in I believe

37:21

Politico about how it's

37:23

sunk in to some of

37:25

the president's campaign team that

37:28

the image that voters previously

37:30

had of him as this like, eh, I may not agree

37:33

with everything, but he seems like a nice guy dead

37:35

and gone, done, done, and

37:38

they can see the battleground pulling. They can see

37:40

the problem they have in Michigan, they can see the problem they

37:42

have with young voters. More on that in a later block

37:44

as well. And so between those two

37:47

things they feel the need to aggressively

37:50

tone shift and at least extract

37:52

something they can point to from

37:54

the Israelis to say, see, we care and

37:56

we made them change.

37:57

We did that, we.

37:58

Force their hand and that's how you know, that's

38:00

the way that we conduct themselves and not ourselves. And that's

38:02

why we're way better than Trump too, by the way, on

38:05

this issue. But am I incredibly

38:07

hopeful that we're going to see it entire like sea change

38:09

in terms of US policy?

38:11

Not particularly Yeah, I think you're right.

38:15

Let's go ahead and get to the

38:17

potential fallout from that Israeli

38:20

strike on a consular building

38:22

of Iran in Syria, because

38:24

you know, it's easy to lose sight of this because so much

38:26

of the conversation has been about those World Central

38:29

Kitchen Aid workers. But at the very

38:31

same time you had that strike, which was a violation

38:33

of Vienna conventions, quite an extraordinary

38:36

provocation on the Israeli

38:39

part. And now the question is how

38:41

is run going to respond. All

38:44

of the actors involved seem quite convinced

38:46

that there is almost as

38:48

a necessity, going to be some sort of Iranian

38:51

reaction. So what is that going to look like. Let's put this up

38:53

on the screen from CNN. Their

38:55

headline is US preparing for significant

38:58

Iran attack on US or

39:00

Israeli assets in the region as

39:02

soon as the headline says next week, that would

39:05

be this week. They write

39:07

here, the US is on high alert, actively

39:09

preparing for a significant attack that could come as

39:11

soon as within the next week by Iran targeting Israeli

39:14

or American assets in the region in

39:16

response to Monday's Israeli strike and Damascus

39:18

that kill top Iranian commanders. A senior

39:20

Administration official TELCNN. US

39:23

officials believe that attack is inevitable.

39:26

That view is reportedly shared by their Israeli

39:28

counterparts. Two governments are furiously working

39:31

to get in position ahead of what is to come, as they anticipate

39:33

that Iran's attack could unfold in a number of different

39:35

ways, and that both US and Israeli assets

39:37

and personnel are at risk of being

39:40

targeted. A senior Administration official

39:42

described the US warning to Iran as quote, don't

39:44

think about coming after. US State

39:46

Department spokesperson did not provide further information

39:48

about how the US message was conveyed

39:51

to Iran.

39:52

But you will recall, Sagar that.

39:55

Immediately after this strike, the

39:57

Iranians made it clear, no uncertain terms,

39:59

that not only blamed Israel, they

40:01

also blamed US. Now, we deny that we

40:04

knew anything about it, which is, you

40:06

know, there's no real good scenario

40:08

here. If we did know about it or we didn't know about it.

40:10

Both of those things are a problem. But

40:12

it's you know, first of all, the question

40:14

of what happens is important, and second of all the realization

40:18

that Israeli actions

40:20

and our unconditional support of

40:23

Israel have put our service members

40:25

now in grave danger.

40:27

Yeah.

40:27

I mean, what is also actually shocking

40:29

to me has not been the change

40:32

not It wasn't the actions itself, although I mean obviously

40:34

a violation of the Vienna Convention. It

40:37

was how quickly the Vienna Convention has

40:39

begun to fall apart. And as they're watching

40:41

this with great interest, let's put this up there on

40:43

the screen. This actually, by the way, is something that's happening

40:46

in our hemisphere and might affect US. Mexico

40:49

has completely severed diplomatic

40:51

ties with Ecuador, where days

40:53

after the Iranian strike, Ecuador

40:56

actually put actually words, police

40:58

stormed in to the Ecuadorian

41:01

or into the Mexican embassy to arrest

41:03

their former vice president. This

41:06

is an extraordinary breach

41:08

of the Vienna Convention on Consular

41:10

Relations. And I mean, for example,

41:13

the head of the Mexican consular said in Quito,

41:15

this is not possible, it cannot be. This

41:18

is crazy. I am very worried they could

41:20

kill him. There is no basis to do this.

41:22

This is totally outside of the

41:24

norm. I mean, for all time, people

41:26

have dissidents and others. I don't even know

41:28

much about the particular governments here involved,

41:31

and I don't care because the reason why this is

41:33

dangerous, this is all happening at the same time,

41:35

is that collapse of consular relations

41:37

is exactly especially amongst sovereign nations.

41:39

We're not talking here about protest groups

41:42

or something like that. Storming an embassy and

41:44

holding people hostage is really

41:46

a total breakdown in international

41:48

norms and violations, which,

41:51

after they become normalized over and over again,

41:53

could lead to extraordinary things. For example,

41:55

there were often CIA plans to assassinate

41:57

Julian Assange inside of the Ecuadorian

41:59

MS in London.

42:02

Even the British, the US and the CIA was like, no, we

42:04

can't do it. They were just even there, no

42:07

matter what, not possible. Even

42:10

in the height of the Cold War, the United

42:12

States never breached the

42:14

Soviet embassy here in Washington. Now,

42:16

we definitely dug tunnels around said embassy

42:18

and did some interesting things, and they did the same

42:20

to us, but even they would never dare

42:22

to enter our embassy. So to watch

42:25

the breakdown of this happen in real

42:27

time, this actually is what struck

42:29

some real fear into me because this is

42:31

the problem. And this has also been with the way

42:33

that the US has operated. You know, our

42:35

military operates very differently. But then

42:37

we have our freaking John

42:40

Kirby, spokesman for the White House, is like, oh, Israel's

42:42

most moral army in the world. Like they've even done

42:44

things that we would never do. Like that's not

42:46

true, that's actually not true at all.

42:48

I know a lot of people who got their limbs blown

42:50

off, you know, going door to door when

42:52

it would have been a lot easier to just drop a bomb

42:54

the way that the Israelis did.

42:55

We never even considered it for a second

42:58

US commanders at that level. So

43:00

watching this all become normalized has actually

43:02

been highly dangerous, I think to the international system,

43:05

there.

43:05

Is no doubt about it.

43:07

And again, now our

43:10

consular facilities, now our embassies

43:12

abroad are also at risk because there's

43:14

no putting this toothpaste back.

43:16

In the tube.

43:17

We didn't say boo about this

43:19

Israeli strike in Damascus on

43:21

Iran's consular building. We didn't

43:23

say anything. We didn't object to it, we didn't criticize

43:26

it, we didn't say anything about it. So

43:29

how are we going to then critique another

43:31

country if they do the same thing.

43:33

This is now on the table, period.

43:35

End of story, and doctor Tree to Parsi

43:37

making a point about how it's not just with regard

43:39

to this violation, this flagrant violation

43:42

of the Vienna Convention. Let's go and put his tweet up

43:44

on the screen. Here he says, international norms

43:46

being destroyed in front of our eyes. Israel

43:49

ignores you and Security Council resolutions

43:51

and ICJ rulings. The US

43:54

after voting for that one resolution, then

43:56

immediately oh, it's not binding. Well, that

43:58

is just not true. We're just making stuff

44:00

up. Israel bombs the Iranian consulate

44:03

and violation of Vienna Convention. Ecuador

44:05

then attacks the Mexican embassy, violating

44:08

also the Vienna Convention. And

44:10

you know, we've already seen the way

44:12

this is unfolded. Tzager previously, remember

44:14

all the moral language that the US would use

44:17

about Russia's actions in Ukraine.

44:19

They really kind of had to drop.

44:20

That because what Russia

44:22

has done in Ukraine it's horrifying.

44:25

It was a violation of international law. I

44:27

opposed it from the beginning. I still oppose it today.

44:29

It looks tame compared to what Israel has done in the Gaza

44:31

strip. When you look at the numbers, when you look at

44:34

the destruction, when you look at the amount

44:36

of civilian buildings, targeting universities,

44:39

just absolutely destroying the healthcare

44:41

system, Alshifa Hospital, desecrating

44:44

cemeteries, schools, high

44:46

rise apartment buildings, etc. There's

44:48

no going back from that. Those

44:51

things are now on the table, not

44:53

just in Gaza, but everywhere around

44:55

the world.

44:56

Yeah, I mean in April of twenty twenty two, Biden

44:58

MCCUs putin of committing quote Jenis in

45:00

Ukraine, Like it's like, really,

45:02

now, how could you possibly this

45:04

is?

45:05

And by the way, this is why I oppose.

45:06

A lot of moralistic language and we're going to get a guest

45:09

here is because then you get caught into little traps

45:11

like this. It's like, well, what is the difference between Russia

45:13

and Israel's like whoa, oops,

45:16

and you see exactly how now they have

45:18

to drop it and now we have no strategic rationale

45:21

for we got to support Ukraine. We got to make

45:23

sure that we're on the front line of democracy.

45:25

And now just watch. I don't from what I understand,

45:28

I haven't even seen yet a response to the US

45:30

or whatever the hell is going on here with Mexico

45:33

and with Ecuador. And you may, you may

45:35

pretend you know that it doesn't matter, but Mexico

45:38

and Ecuador the hell of a lot closer than Gaza

45:40

and Moscow or Kiev.

45:42

These are places which really could affect

45:45

us, breakdown relations between the two of

45:47

them. Vital US trading partner, one

45:49

of the largest trading partners in the world, and we

45:51

just ignore it, you know, completely, a flagrant

45:53

attack and violation here in

45:55

the Western hemisphere.

45:56

So was it greenlit by America.

45:58

That's another even more interesting, you know discussion,

46:01

because if it was, then we've basically had

46:03

quasi you.

46:04

Know, green lights of a breach.

46:06

Of these things happen in a one

46:08

week period, which would have been extraordinary if

46:10

they'd happened in the last fifty years, even

46:12

a couple of times. Really

46:14

very underrated discussion unfortunately. And

46:17

I think that the Iranian the strike on the Iranian

46:19

embassy already we're seeing the result.

46:21

Yeah, it is amazing, how quick, because I

46:23

mean, I'm sure Ecuadorians

46:25

aren't stupid, they knew. We can't say anything

46:27

about it right now because we.

46:28

Just want Israel. So what are we going to say?

46:32

Wow, it's been great, but anyway, moving on, we

46:34

can't say anything about it because

46:36

of what we have allowed Israel to do.

46:38

And this is what Israel.

46:40

They do a little trial balloon, they test

46:42

something out. Hey can I get away with you

46:44

know, attacking the hospital?

46:45

Oh we can.

46:45

Okay, we're going to destroy the entire health

46:48

system. And we know you're not going to say anything about it. We

46:50

know there's not going to be any accountability. We're

46:52

going to drop two thousand pound bunk or buster bombs.

46:54

On a refugee can killing hundreds

46:56

of people to maybe possibly get one

46:58

Hamas Bady, You're going.

47:00

To say anything about it, You're gonna do anything?

47:02

No?

47:02

Okay, Well, this is going to be our modus operande for

47:04

the rest of the war. Oh can

47:06

we get away with massacring civilians

47:08

who are just trying to grab a bag of flour so

47:11

that they and their family don't starve?

47:12

Can we get away with?

47:13

Oh?

47:13

Yeah we can. Okay, what else can we

47:15

get away with?

47:16

And keep in mind again

47:18

to go back to the original point made

47:20

here. Now this has put

47:23

our service members in grave danger

47:26

because Ron.

47:27

Is not stupid.

47:28

They look at our very close

47:30

relationship with Israel, They

47:32

look at how dependent the Israelis are ultimately

47:35

on the US supply of weapons, and

47:38

they don't see this as an attack just

47:40

from Israel. They see this as an attack

47:42

from the US. And think about all

47:45

of the radicalization and all of the anti

47:47

US hatred that is being stoked

47:50

around the world that could have massive

47:52

blowback consequences for our country

47:55

and our service members for decades

47:58

to come. That is what our policy

48:00

in the Middle East has wrought.

48:02

For our country.

48:05

There has been a major fracture in the

48:07

conservative media ecosystem over

48:09

the departure of Candace Owens from

48:12

The Daily Wire. Now we're not just covering YouTube

48:14

drama for the sake of it. This has genuinely

48:16

become a major ideological fissure.

48:19

We've seen major figures in conservative

48:21

media and conservative activist debate

48:23

what this means, what should be allowed. We've played

48:26

for everybody previously the comments

48:28

by Ben Shapiro where he justified the departure

48:30

of Candace Owens, saying that the Daily Wire

48:32

itself is a publisher, that it

48:34

is not a platform and thus has no obligation

48:37

to employ somebody who doesn't agree

48:39

with them. Very discontinent in the past, with

48:41

some of Ben's comments on Cancel culture

48:43

and on social media for example.

48:45

This has definitely been taken notice by some new entrants

48:48

to the sphere, Patrick bet David in particular,

48:51

and comedian Andrew Schultz as well.

48:53

Here's what they had to say.

48:54

CBN is what what does CBN stand for?

48:56

Christian BRANCHA.

48:58

It's not a RBN

49:02

religious broadcasting note fork, It's what Christian

49:05

broadcasting net worth. Daily

49:07

Wire can be Daily DJW

49:11

Daily Jewish Wire or d i

49:14

W Daily Israel Wire. No problem.

49:17

If that's your value, stick to that.

49:19

We all love in America. It should be America first,

49:21

not Iran first, not Armenia first, not

49:24

Israel first. It should be America first.

49:26

If you think it's Israel first, go to Israel.

49:29

I agree. I agree with every word

49:31

the man just said.

49:32

You know, he actually, frankly, is probably more powerful than

49:34

me because he's not even from here. He said, as

49:36

he said, he's like, he's what I think, Armenian Christian

49:39

from Iran. He's like, if you're Israel first, or

49:41

if you're Armenian first, or any of that.

49:43

He's like, that's fine. He's like, but put it there in

49:45

the title.

49:46

And I think what he's got I wouldn't have said

49:48

daily Jewish Wire personally Daily

49:50

Israel Wire.

49:51

I mean, you listen based upon the comments

49:53

that they have made.

49:54

You had the CEO Jeremy Boring, who did

49:56

Twitter space whatever it's called x space is now

49:59

at this point he said, I would never hire

50:01

somebody who said that there was a genocide happening

50:04

in Gaza. And it's like, well, why you

50:06

know, I mean, look, even if you disagree, why

50:09

is that what is your I cannot

50:11

imagine personally having any redline

50:14

about any country.

50:14

I'll give you a perfect example. My family

50:17

is Indian.

50:17

Ryan is very critical of the Modi

50:20

government and has done multiple segments

50:22

about censorship, including by the Way, which people

50:24

in India got very upset at me about. You

50:26

know what I said, stick to your own business

50:29

in my country. This guy gets to do whatever

50:31

he wants. Those are my editorial principles.

50:33

Whether I agree or not, I don't care. I don't

50:36

live there. I'm not an Indian citizen.

50:38

Ben though, for example, and actually the

50:40

entire leadership of the Daily Wire somehow

50:43

think that it is okay to enforce foreign

50:46

shibolits on our soil

50:48

as it relates to an American media

50:51

company. And I think it's entirely legitimate

50:54

to level the criticism that Patrick and others

50:56

have now put into the sphere.

50:58

To go ahead, before I play Andrew.

50:59

I just wanted to reiterate

51:02

we're going to talk more about Rogan and his comments.

51:04

But I thought a very important point that he made when

51:06

he initially said, hey, I think this is

51:08

a genocide, which is, you

51:10

know, talking about Israel's conduct

51:12

in Gaza. It's a little bit different

51:14

than whatever your like philosophical view is

51:16

on abortion, or your philosophical view

51:19

is on gay rights, any sort

51:21

of like you know, culture war issue

51:23

you're talking about. Basically,

51:26

what Jeremy Boring and Ben Shapiro are saying

51:28

is you are not allowed to acknowledge

51:30

reality. You're not allowed to talk honestly

51:33

about the atrocities that are unfolding in

51:35

front of us, that idea soldiers themselves are

51:37

posting on TikTok. If you talk

51:40

honestly about those things, you don't have a

51:42

place at this network. And so I think

51:44

that's part of why this actually

51:46

ends up being important, because

51:49

you know, the whole like facts versus feelings,

51:52

Ben Shapiro, the facts

51:54

are pretty undisputable about you.

51:56

Listen there.

51:56

You may not want to say the word genocide,

51:59

but war crimes, ethnic

52:02

cleansing. I mean, they have whole conferences

52:04

there celebrating the idea of, hey, we're going to resettle

52:06

Gaza, We're going to push everybody out. These things

52:08

are undeniable. So is

52:10

the facts or is it feelings? I think we on

52:13

this one issue we have a very.

52:14

Clear answer here.

52:15

Yeah.

52:15

Absolutely, look like you just said about you. Look again,

52:17

I don't use more language. I think these are all loaded

52:19

terms. My point though, is that when

52:22

it comes to how about this critical

52:24

behavior that has been at the

52:26

very least has backfired

52:28

against his or can we talk about that.

52:30

I haven't even heard to say that.

52:31

Every time I check this man's feet, it's all retweeting

52:33

the justification, including Israel PM's

52:36

like military justification of

52:38

what's happening on the ground. I mean, why

52:41

you're going to trust what they have to

52:43

say? And this is coming from a person

52:45

I'm a patriotic American. I love this

52:47

country. I don't trust the US military. Right

52:50

when the US military is like, hey, here's what we

52:52

did to this hospital in Kundu's

52:54

I'm like, well maybe, And you know who I ask.

52:56

I ask people who are actually in the military,

52:58

not that people were the spokesperson, and they're like, oh yeah,

53:01

they're lying. The brass is full of shit, and

53:03

they're you know, trying to, you know, paint

53:05

you a different picture. Why can why

53:07

do I have the wherewithal to do that in a country that I

53:09

love. I'm not even a country that I'm

53:11

not even from or don't live

53:14

in.

53:14

Very interesting, isn't it.

53:16

Comedian Andrew Schultz also I thought he put

53:18

it really well in his discussion around centrist.

53:20

One thing I love about comedians is that they're observational

53:23

by nature and that whenever they see something,

53:25

they don't come into it with the same preconceived

53:28

like rhetoric and all that you're supposed to, and

53:30

they can just kind of say it as it is.

53:31

Here's what he had to say. He makes the argument

53:34

for censorship.

53:35

He calls it something else.

53:36

Yeah, I forget the term I have in my phone, but I don't

53:38

even think he's using the term right.

53:39

But he's basically like, there's a window of

53:42

ideas we accept, yes, and we accept

53:45

ideas between this this.

53:47

I guess this is if I get window, you're looking like

53:49

this, So we accept ideas between here and

53:51

here, and anything outside of that window, well,

53:54

you're fireable.

53:54

That's censorships.

53:56

But he's acting as if this is like a

53:59

justified reason for firing people

54:01

when you built your identity and platform

54:03

off of no censorship and freedom of speech

54:05

facts, don't care about your feelings and all this shit.

54:07

It's also funny that that window happens to end

54:09

where his beliefs enday

54:13

not being pro Israel, that's where the window ends.

54:15

That's also your specific personal

54:17

belief I

54:19

just don't.

54:20

Can't have an opinion on your platform

54:22

that is not pro a country

54:25

that is not ours.

54:26

Yeah wait a minute, crazy,

54:28

So is the Daily Wire.

54:30

An American media platform or is it

54:32

an Israeli media platform.

54:34

I'm just asking. This guy's cooking.

54:36

He's just asking, and he's asking the right question. I

54:38

think that again, is that And this

54:40

is also why I think it's hilarious is that Israeli

54:43

military defenders and israel

54:45

firsters in the US have actually

54:48

created their own worst nightmare where their

54:50

behavior is now so obvious

54:53

and is so so just

54:55

so blatant in terms of flipping

54:58

on a dime as regards to ansorship,

55:00

cancel culture, free speech, student

55:03

protests where oh, we're supposed to be upset

55:05

because kids are crying on campus,

55:08

that it is now clear what their

55:10

real and first objective is. They

55:12

care more about Israel than they do even

55:15

about concepts and principles

55:17

that we hold dear here in this country.

55:19

And that's why I think it's very important that this

55:22

fight has broken out. I will not lie

55:24

and say that I don't think that they are very much

55:26

still remain in power, especially whenever

55:28

it comes to the elected you know, representatives.

55:31

But as all things, you know, the online

55:33

discussion is a precursor to

55:35

possibly change fifteen twenty years down

55:38

the line. And that is where I at least see things going

55:40

right now, because this decision in particular has

55:42

opened up a lot of people's eyes.

55:43

Yeah, well they turned on a dime, you know.

55:45

I mean it was very like, I'm

55:47

a free speech absolutist in this period.

55:50

End of story.

55:51

And you can if you're the New York Times, you know,

55:53

you can't say the Tom Cotton op ed is

55:55

out of bounds. You can't fire that editor, the greenlitos

55:58

because that's cancel culture. There

56:00

was no discussion of an overtin window when

56:03

it came to that, or you know, even more recently,

56:05

when it came to Ronald McDaniel's firing

56:07

it over at NBC News, that overton

56:10

window was apparently not acceptable. I mean,

56:12

frankly, yeah, the sort of language

56:14

Ben is using now sounds like a lot of

56:16

what liberals were saying when they were

56:18

justifying censorship, saying no, at

56:21

this outlet, these are the values that's perfectly

56:23

acceptable. People should lose their jobs

56:26

for having views, having viewpoints,

56:28

expressing opinions, that are outside

56:30

of what we consider to be acceptable discourse. That

56:33

was the liberal justification, and now it's

56:35

just very clear that you share that view. It

56:37

just happens that, you know, you're fine with

56:39

the views that they had problems with, You're fine with

56:41

those on your platform. But there are other views,

56:44

including most specifically on the

56:46

issue of Israel, that are out

56:48

of bads And I don't know that that's the only way to mentioned

56:50

abortion as well. That probably is another one that would be

56:52

out of bounds for him if you had someone there who was

56:54

saying, no, I think women should have the right to choose,

56:57

you know, all the way through the third trimester

56:59

that air and we also would be out of bounds and grounds

57:01

for firing on Ben Shapiro's

57:03

network as well. So you know,

57:06

just own up to it. Your views are different

57:08

than what you said that they were, and you built

57:10

an entire media platform and a

57:12

lot of wealth on, you know, espousing that you

57:14

were this free speech, anti cancel culture guy,

57:17

and you're not.

57:17

That's the bottom line here to me.

57:19

That's actually probably what bugs me more than anything

57:21

is because it would be I'm trying to think

57:23

of an example. Yeah, it would be like if we started

57:25

reading pharmaceutical ads, you know here on the show.

57:28

Like that would be insane.

57:29

We have raised money from well meaning,

57:32

hard earned people's money to

57:34

fund our program and then we're like, oh, yeah,

57:36

we're just going to start reading like pvisor ads or something

57:38

here on the show. People rightfully would be outraged,

57:41

and they should be, because then why did we

57:43

present years and years and years of building

57:45

up a brand and trying to maintain integrity.

57:47

I mean, and just so people know, we have turned down massive

57:50

offers for such types of things here

57:52

on the show, regardless of how much money

57:54

it is, simply because we know it would

57:56

be a betrayal. But you know, if

57:58

the real value is about something else,

58:01

as we all start to learn here in this

58:03

very revealing episode, I think it does tell

58:05

us quite a bit. Let's put up this as well,

58:07

because there has been now a gauntlet

58:10

throne by Candace. So

58:12

Candace Owen's challenging Ben Shapiro

58:15

to a debate. There has been a

58:18

lot of back and forth, and I won't get into all the details,

58:20

but she says, barring the insinuation that

58:22

there basically it was all this beef about whether she

58:24

was traveling to London or not. Candace says

58:26

that she does not want to participate in a debate with Ben

58:28

Shapiro on the Daily Wire platform

58:31

and that she wants it to be in person. She

58:33

then says that I fully accept there will be no moderator.

58:36

I will get in touch privately to get all of

58:38

this set up. There has been a major win. But

58:40

one of the problems, Crystal, if we look

58:42

at some of the back and forth traffic, and then

58:45

I think Candace is entirely correct about is

58:47

she was like, Okay, let's debate, and Ben Shapiro

58:49

was like, fine, come to my studio and debate me on

58:51

my own show. And she said, well, why don't we

58:53

pick Lex Friedman or Joe Rogan or

58:55

any of those places? And Jeremy

58:58

Boring was like, no, accept

59:00

that. Going after Patrick Tiff David Ben

59:02

just participated in a debate on

59:04

Lex Women's podcast were freaking destiny,

59:07

you know, so why can't you do it with

59:09

Candace Owans. It's one of those where there

59:11

it's so weasily honestly,

59:13

this idea that the moderator would put his foot

59:16

on this, you know, would put his foot on the gas

59:18

and some sort of direction. It's just one

59:20

of those where, look, I hope that it actually

59:22

does happen. I genuinely do, even though

59:24

both sides have now allegedly agreed. We'll see

59:26

if the Daily Wire at this point does try

59:29

to get out of it. But you know the

59:31

lengths and the lengths that

59:34

they have gone to protect

59:36

and to justify this decision over there

59:38

as a business, I don't think we can ever say that

59:40

this is a quote unquote free speech organization

59:43

ever.

59:43

Again, Yeah, at the very.

59:44

Least, let me also say I

59:46

genuinely think that some of Candace's comments.

59:48

I mean, she's still on there defending Kanye West, who literally

59:50

said I love Hitler.

59:51

Okay, I do think.

59:52

That some of her comments are incredibly

59:55

can be classified as anti semitic. But

59:58

she was making those comments before where you hired

1:00:00

her here, and so that's the thing to me, is like,

1:00:02

it's very clear that actually wasn't the line

1:00:05

that was fine. It was when you were very

1:00:07

theciperously critical of the Israeli

1:00:10

government. And even he brings up who's the other

1:00:12

commentator who has more of a like Listen, I just

1:00:14

think we shouldn't be involved in anything. He's like that

1:00:16

view was fine when it comes to israel I

1:00:19

think it's but because he is,

1:00:21

you know, very clear that he thinks

1:00:23

Israel is a moral actor, that's also fine,

1:00:26

that's acceptable. But if you're actually directly

1:00:28

critical of the Israeli government in

1:00:30

a way that you know, Ben finds it acceptable be

1:00:32

critical of the American government, but you

1:00:35

can't be critical in that way of the Israeli government.

1:00:37

That's where the line was. It wasn't the you

1:00:39

know, weird Hitler comments, It wasn't backing

1:00:41

up Kanye West. It was when you were

1:00:44

directly critical of the Israeli government.

1:00:46

That was the line too far.

1:00:47

And so I think it's really important because

1:00:49

people may look at some of our comments and you know what those

1:00:51

around the bounds, and I see why they don't want that at

1:00:53

that network. But that was not actually where the

1:00:55

line was drawn. So keep that in mind.

1:00:57

Yeah, and look, let's also talk in terms of like popular

1:00:59

opinion, and it's perfectly acceptable at

1:01:01

the Daily Wire to be against IVF.

1:01:04

That's like a three percent position

1:01:06

here in the United States. Okay,

1:01:08

so that but that's fine, But

1:01:10

you know, it's not fine to be

1:01:12

like, yeah, again, that's actually in a

1:01:14

country, our country that affects

1:01:17

US our policy.

1:01:18

And I think that should be allowed. I am actually

1:01:20

free speech absolutists. I'll pretty much hear anybody

1:01:22

out, even if they're saying some absolutely crazy shit.

1:01:25

But for them, for some reason,

1:01:27

it's like that's within the bounds of the quote unquote

1:01:30

Overton window, even though it's really not if you

1:01:32

consider you know, US discourse, and here

1:01:34

we're having a debate about a foreign country, and

1:01:36

apparently that is completely out of bounds.

1:01:38

So let's just hammer that home.

1:01:39

It's fine you want to have an Overton where you are allowed

1:01:42

to have whoever you want to have on your plant.

1:01:43

That's fine.

1:01:44

But I don't want to hear your criticism

1:01:46

of other news outlets and other publishers

1:01:49

quote unquote Overton window and the way they draw

1:01:51

the lines, if they have to be a little different fro where you draw

1:01:53

the lines. I don't want to hear that criticism anymore, because

1:01:55

you do not have grounds to stand on avice point.

1:01:57

I could not agree with that more. There was also

1:02:00

really interesting. There's some other actors

1:02:02

that have been entering the debate. Christopher Rufo, the

1:02:05

CRT kind of campaigner who

1:02:08

entered the fray with some analysis let's put

1:02:10

this up on the screen. It's really worth reading.

1:02:12

We have the full statement here, but basically

1:02:15

it comes down to this. He says, it is not a violation

1:02:17

of freedom of speech to let a multimillion

1:02:19

dollar contract expire, which is reportedly

1:02:21

what happened. The Daily Wire is not obligated to subsize

1:02:23

Candace owns, especially if she's deviating from

1:02:25

the publication's editorial standard or causing problems.

1:02:28

DW is not an open platform such as YouTube,

1:02:30

Facebook x, and the owners of the publications

1:02:32

are under no obligation, so that is definitely true.

1:02:34

They say.

1:02:34

Owen spent months taking public shots at Ben

1:02:36

Shapiro and Jeremy boring a tacit request

1:02:39

to get canned and then play the martyr, she said.

1:02:41

Then, he continues, Owens is a gifted speaker who

1:02:43

has been able to turn controversy into

1:02:45

attention, a valuable capability, but she

1:02:47

does not advance a serious politics. She is

1:02:49

clearly traveling down and ugly but unfortunately

1:02:52

well trodden path. She has rationalized. Okay,

1:02:54

blah blah blah, all this about Candace. There

1:02:56

is an audience for such kind of material. Infot

1:02:58

Wars does a robust business vitamins and emergency

1:03:00

prep kits. But it's a political dead end. Why

1:03:03

does it matter? Because the right faces an inflection

1:03:05

point. There are serious people who are trying to advance

1:03:07

a serious political movement with a vision for governing.

1:03:10

I consider the Daily Wire to be among them.

1:03:12

And then there are serious people who are willing to sell ca

1:03:14

fabe and conspiracy leading us nowhere. I

1:03:16

care about politics because I believe we have subjective

1:03:18

work to do for the country, and this requires

1:03:20

putting together a coalition capable of taking responsibility.

1:03:23

The choice is ours, so interesting

1:03:26

analysis there now Here's

1:03:28

the other issue that I have with this. If

1:03:30

you presume that the Daily Wire is

1:03:33

a serious political organization

1:03:36

and all of that, well, this is

1:03:38

a political vision for an incredibly

1:03:41

unpopular GOP, I

1:03:43

would venture, I mean, I would say with Canvas

1:03:45

at least, I'd much rather be with her in

1:03:48

terms of where she's willing to go, especially

1:03:51

with regards to Donald Trump and

1:03:53

some more maga style politics actually as a shot

1:03:55

at electability, than with people

1:03:57

who are out there sparking conversation

1:04:00

why cutting social security, banning

1:04:02

abortion, banning IVF,

1:04:05

Which do you think is a more serious

1:04:07

political movement and capable of

1:04:09

moving things forward, but curious what you have to say.

1:04:11

That is a great point. Ye, you made the IVF

1:04:13

point previously. The serious

1:04:15

ones are the ones who are in favor of banning

1:04:18

IVF, something that almost literally no one

1:04:20

supports. Okay, but you

1:04:22

know what, I would dissent

1:04:24

from you in one regard. I actually think his

1:04:26

analysis here of Candace Owens is

1:04:28

basically correct. Those are

1:04:30

all reasons to have not hired

1:04:33

Candace Owens in the first place, but

1:04:36

it has nothing to do with the reason she was actually

1:04:38

fired.

1:04:38

So it's a little bit irrelevant, Like you might be

1:04:40

happy.

1:04:41

She's gone for these other various

1:04:43

reasons you don't think she's a quote unquote serious person,

1:04:45

which okay, I mean I kind of agree with you there,

1:04:48

but again, that isn't

1:04:50

really relevant to what happened

1:04:52

here and the specific reasons the

1:04:55

specific context around why

1:04:57

she was fired at this point in time.

1:05:00

Yes, these would all have been good reasons

1:05:02

for Ben Shapiro never to hire her, and

1:05:04

you know, to have never indulged the

1:05:07

supporting Kanye when he was saying things that were

1:05:09

really unsupportable. But all of those

1:05:11

things were fine. So

1:05:15

let's not pretend otherwise, like I said, Christopher

1:05:17

Rufe, you may be glad she's gone for all those ritary

1:05:19

that's fine, but that really is kind of irrelevant.

1:05:21

It's also a misunderstanding too, of what we're

1:05:23

doing. The Daily Wire is not a political organization.

1:05:26

It is an entertainment media company whose job

1:05:28

is to make money. And that's why they hired Candice

1:05:30

Owens in the first place. It's also why they

1:05:32

have all these freaking cartoons and whatever

1:05:35

their movies.

1:05:35

Isn't there coming with snow White? I think? Anyway?

1:05:38

My point is that's not what serious political actors

1:05:40

do.

1:05:40

Lady scholars, yeah, very serious, very

1:05:43

serious film sager, lady ballers.

1:05:45

Well to check, and I

1:05:47

have not yet seen a quote unquote conservative

1:05:49

movie out there that is in any

1:05:51

way like actually good.

1:05:53

You know, Griffin said, it wasn't that bad. Okay,

1:05:55

all right, it wasn't that bad.

1:05:57

I don't know that.

1:05:57

I don't know that I call it serious.

1:06:00

My only point here would be exactly

1:06:02

that you're right, and that it's actually a misunderstanding.

1:06:05

That's why they hired Candae in the first place because of the

1:06:07

ratings. They want ratings, they want the controversy,

1:06:09

they want people to watch, they want people

1:06:12

to subscribe, and that's fine.

1:06:13

Just be honest though about what line of

1:06:16

business you're in. So this is also a big misunderstanding,

1:06:18

I think, both on the political level and also here

1:06:21

in terms of what they're actually

1:06:23

trying to achieve. Let's

1:06:26

move on now to Joe Rogan. There was a really interesting

1:06:29

conversation between Joe Rogan and Coleman

1:06:31

Hughes on their podcast around Israel.

1:06:33

Coleman previously has been I would say, I think it's

1:06:35

fair to say a defender of Israeli military

1:06:38

actions, but even generally, he's a serious guy and he's

1:06:40

willing to kind of hear things out and to

1:06:43

debate. So him and Rogan kind of went at it around

1:06:45

is really military conduct? Some revealing

1:06:47

things here in the discussion. Let's

1:06:49

take a listen, we'll react on the other side.

1:06:51

There was one point where you were kind of saying, it's

1:06:54

almost as if the Jews are doing what was done to

1:06:56

them, well as what it's genocide.

1:06:58

I'm saying that when you're killing thirty

1:07:00

thousand innocent civilians

1:07:03

in response to something that killed twelve hundred

1:07:05

innocent civilians, and you're continuing to bomb an area

1:07:07

into oblivion, which is what it looks

1:07:09

like when you're looking at Gaza. There's

1:07:12

many people that have made the argument that that is

1:07:15

at least the steps of genocide or

1:07:17

a form of genocide. You're destroying

1:07:20

thousands and thousands of people's homes

1:07:23

and killing them.

1:07:25

So when you say thirty thousand civilians,

1:07:27

it's not thirty thousand civilians that have been killed.

1:07:29

Though, how many thousands have been killed?

1:07:31

So according to Gaza Health

1:07:33

Ministry, which is it is run

1:07:36

by Hamas, the number they have is thirty two thousand,

1:07:38

but they don't distinguish between Hamas

1:07:40

and civilians.

1:07:42

How many members of Hamas are there.

1:07:45

Forty thousand something like that. I don't think the number

1:07:48

is known, but it's tens of thousands. So Hamas

1:07:50

says thirty two thousand people have been

1:07:52

killed, civilians and soldiers. Israel

1:07:55

says thirteen thousand soldiers have been

1:07:57

killed by Israel. You

1:08:00

just being let's not doubt

1:08:02

either number. They could both be eated.

1:08:05

But but if both of those

1:08:07

numbers are accurate, which they may or

1:08:09

may not be, that would be thirteen thousand

1:08:11

soldiers killed nineteen thousand civilians

1:08:13

killed, which for urban

1:08:16

combat in the Middle East is a very normal

1:08:18

ratio.

1:08:20

I could see see what you're saying if you wanted to look

1:08:22

at it cold and objectively.

1:08:24

Yeah, but don't.

1:08:26

I still I hope it doesn't come across

1:08:28

cold because but.

1:08:29

It's mostly women and children that are dying,

1:08:31

that are that are dying because they're

1:08:33

in a place where these terrorists are, right,

1:08:36

I mean this is it's.

1:08:36

Not because the terrorists

1:08:39

on purpose embed themselves with

1:08:41

the civilian population, which is a war crime.

1:08:43

Which is a strategy that they have clearly

1:08:45

employed when you see them and when when

1:08:47

the IDEF went into that hospital and found

1:08:49

the recently. Yes, yeah,

1:08:52

so it's real. It's not just a conspiracy

1:08:55

theory. We know that that's real. But

1:08:57

it's still you're still talking about

1:08:59

twenty thousand whatever it is of

1:09:01

innocent people getting bombed into

1:09:04

the Stone Age. That one aidation was

1:09:06

that they were shooting people that were trying to get

1:09:08

aid.

1:09:09

Yes, yes, and you don't

1:09:11

think that's the case.

1:09:12

I think it's very unlikely.

1:09:14

Is it possible, Yeah, it's possible. Absolutely,

1:09:16

there is.

1:09:17

The assumption is that there is going to be war crimes

1:09:19

in this war, right because and I

1:09:21

know Kurt would probably say,

1:09:24

I'm doing the tragedy of war thing.

1:09:27

But it's actually a legitimate point. In every

1:09:29

single war, even the just ones, there

1:09:31

are war crimes by berserk soldiers

1:09:34

by the good guys. That doesn't mean it's genocide,

1:09:36

and that doesn't mean it's not a just war.

1:09:38

Interesting, Carsonal, So there's

1:09:41

a lot here.

1:09:42

So first of all, with regard to the

1:09:45

targeting of women and children, we actually just

1:09:47

learned quite a bit and I am going to lay all

1:09:49

this out in my monologue, but there

1:09:51

is an act of Israeli government official

1:09:54

policy which says, Hey, first

1:09:56

of all, we're not just going to

1:09:58

target the high level Hamas

1:10:00

commanders. We're going to target even just like random

1:10:02

rank and file Hamas members. Okay, fine,

1:10:05

but we're going to specifically do that using

1:10:07

a program a kid you not called Where's Daddy

1:10:10

that allows us to target them when they are at

1:10:12

home with their wives

1:10:14

and children.

1:10:15

Furthermore, we are going

1:10:17

to generate.

1:10:18

Our target list using AI and we're not actually

1:10:20

going to check whether these are Hamas militants.

1:10:22

The only thing we're going to check is whether or not they are

1:10:24

male. This speaks to the

1:10:26

comments from reporter Barack Revide about

1:10:29

how basically the assumption from the Israeli

1:10:31

government is that any fighting

1:10:34

age male, including miners, by the way, is

1:10:36

a Hamas militant. So when

1:10:38

you see their numbers about how many

1:10:40

Hamas members they've killed, they

1:10:43

are not correct. No serious body

1:10:45

believes the Israeli narrative of how many Hammas

1:10:48

fighters have killed. Okay, So what is

1:10:50

the civilian ratio here? Because you

1:10:52

know he's saying, okay, you can't trust the Gaza

1:10:54

Health Ministry because they're affiliated with Hamas

1:10:57

well. Previous research has shown

1:10:59

that they're members are actually quite

1:11:01

correct, but let's put that aside. UN

1:11:04

report says that seventy percent

1:11:06

of those killed are women and children. Okay,

1:11:09

so you don't have to take the Israeli government or

1:11:11

the Gaza Health Ministry's.

1:11:13

Word for it.

1:11:14

Seventy percent of those killed are

1:11:16

women and children. So that's on the death

1:11:18

toll. Then you talk about the destruction

1:11:22

of civilian infrastructure and

1:11:24

the way Coleman portrays it, it's like, oh, well,

1:11:26

you know, one hospital maybe

1:11:28

because there was a command and control center, which again

1:11:30

the Israelis never actually proved

1:11:33

the allegation, the extraordinary allegations

1:11:35

that they made about what was allegedly happening

1:11:37

at Alshievla Hospital, But that

1:11:40

was far from the only health care facility that was targeted.

1:11:42

Three hundred and one according to euromed monitor,

1:11:45

health care facilities have been targeted, including twenty nine

1:11:47

hospitals, sixty nine clinics, two hundred and three

1:11:49

ambulances. So this was an

1:11:52

all out destruction, intentional

1:11:54

destruction of the healthcare system.

1:11:57

You had universities that were destroyed

1:12:00

through controlled demolition. They never even made

1:12:02

an argument though, oh Amas is hiding here, blah blah.

1:12:04

No, they just decided to

1:12:06

destroy the entirety of the university

1:12:09

system in Gaza as well churches,

1:12:12

mosques. Two hundred and

1:12:14

sixty nine thousand homes have

1:12:17

been at least partially destroyed.

1:12:19

One hundred and twenty two thousand homes have

1:12:21

been completely destroyed.

1:12:24

The devastation is greater than dressed

1:12:26

in. So to look

1:12:29

at this and say, oh, it's this you know, targeted,

1:12:33

strategic, very disciplined operation.

1:12:36

Yeah, maybe there may be an occasional war.

1:12:37

Crime or two, is just to really

1:12:40

deny the actual reality

1:12:43

of what's happening here and to frankly, dishonestly

1:12:46

manipulate the facts that we know in

1:12:48

order to try to support something that is

1:12:50

increasingly difficult to.

1:12:51

Support our respect women.

1:12:53

I think what he is missing here is

1:12:55

that it's about intent, and

1:12:57

I understand, you know, he's his point about

1:12:59

like I think war crimes are inevitable.

1:13:01

I actually agree.

1:13:02

I don't think it's possible for human civilizations

1:13:04

to go into combat.

1:13:06

For me, it is about the intent

1:13:08

of the highest.

1:13:09

Military authorities in the civilian leadership

1:13:12

that are at hand. Is the intentional

1:13:14

purpose that is then filtered down through

1:13:17

the military and then through enforcement

1:13:19

of rules to minimize

1:13:21

that to as much as possible or

1:13:24

is it not?

1:13:24

Now?

1:13:24

We have not seen that behavior from

1:13:27

the very beginning from the Israeli military,

1:13:29

from the Israeli government, and within

1:13:31

frankly the Israeli You know, from the lowest

1:13:34

level to the highest level, you have had

1:13:36

zero enforcement of a

1:13:39

actual reasonable rules of engagement.

1:13:41

You've seen very little actual military

1:13:44

strategy for accomplishing

1:13:46

their alleged end.

1:13:47

You've seen collective punishment.

1:13:49

You have seen a basically a

1:13:51

policy of indistinguishable

1:13:54

likes rules of engagement employed against civilians

1:13:56

versus militants.

1:13:58

That's where it all comes to.

1:13:59

I think a reasonable picture of

1:14:01

what this is and why people who can be quote

1:14:03

unquote pro the ability to go

1:14:06

to war or even in a just war,

1:14:08

can criticize best at policy

1:14:11

in the age of precision guided munitions,

1:14:13

in the age of counterinsurgency

1:14:15

and more. It is one thing, you know, to talk about

1:14:18

bombing civilian populations from

1:14:20

b twenty nine's on Tokyo when

1:14:23

there was a limited amount of military you

1:14:26

know, military capacity, there was you

1:14:28

know, very very difficult options

1:14:31

that were to be changed. It's another when we were

1:14:33

talking about non peer to peer nations

1:14:35

that are going to war with each other in

1:14:37

the twenty first century with the capacity

1:14:40

to militarily occupy if they wanted, with

1:14:42

a capacity to distinguish civilians

1:14:44

from militants if they wanted, and then explicitly

1:14:47

to not make that choice. That is what

1:14:49

my biggest criticism I would say

1:14:51

of him was. And I also think,

1:14:54

you know, not really engaging too either with some

1:14:56

of the aid workers that Rogan brings up.

1:14:58

There at the end.

1:14:59

And that's why I think it is self evidently available

1:15:02

and obvious to people who are observers of the

1:15:04

conflict that even if you don't have a bias,

1:15:06

and especially if you don't have a bias, just try

1:15:09

to look at it. You know, one to one and you're like, okay,

1:15:11

look, we can be reasonable here. We can understand

1:15:13

that some sort of response is justified,

1:15:16

you know, and we can have compassion and

1:15:18

feel the horror of October seventh and

1:15:20

justify and understand the state

1:15:23

of Israel and where they come from and all that,

1:15:25

and still have very very reasonable criticisms

1:15:27

of that state, which is part of the why I like

1:15:29

to look at the actual Israeli society,

1:15:31

where apparently they're allowed to have more dissent than

1:15:34

we are. I guess, at least to a point. That's

1:15:36

what I would say.

1:15:37

I think a couple more points.

1:15:39

So just to me, when

1:15:42

the government announces a complete siege and

1:15:46

now we see children and babies literally starving

1:15:48

to death from that point

1:15:50

on, from the announcement

1:15:53

of the complete siege, it becomes

1:15:55

preposterous to say they're not targeting civilians.

1:15:57

Like, to me, that's this game over. Obviously

1:16:00

they are. They just announced it. They said these are human

1:16:02

animals, they're gonna be treated as such. We're announcing a

1:16:04

complete stage. How

1:16:06

can you then argue, oh, they're not targeting

1:16:08

civilians. It's preposterous.

1:16:11

Also, they dropped indiscriminately

1:16:14

two thousand pound bunker

1:16:16

buster bombs, which are on military

1:16:18

said, way too much in an

1:16:21

urban fighting environment on refugee

1:16:23

camps to maybe

1:16:26

possibly get one Hamas

1:16:28

militant and you're killing hundreds

1:16:31

of civilians. This is

1:16:33

not this is not defensible. In

1:16:35

no context is this defensible. And this

1:16:38

wasn't a whoopsie. We've

1:16:40

actually thought it was a whole Hamas.

1:16:42

Brigade there or whatever.

1:16:43

Know, they intentionally dropped

1:16:46

two thousand pounds bunker buster

1:16:48

bombs on refugee camps.

1:16:51

Lastly, Joe brings up.

1:16:53

I think he's referring to the Flower masacre that

1:16:55

we covered extensively here where you had over one

1:16:57

hundred Palestinians killed, where

1:17:00

you had this you know, aid convoy coming

1:17:02

in and people who were waiting for it.

1:17:04

This is in northern Gaza, where the humanitarian

1:17:07

situation is the most dire and the highest

1:17:09

levels of actual starvation, and

1:17:12

some are saying now actually has tipped into famine.

1:17:15

That's where we're talking about. And

1:17:17

remember the Israeli military their

1:17:19

story was, oh, well, they these

1:17:22

Palestinians, they're just barbarians. They got

1:17:24

out of control, they were stampeding each other

1:17:26

and then the truck may have even run some

1:17:28

of them over and we fired some warning shots. Said,

1:17:31

but that's it, that's all we did, the

1:17:33

Palestinian said, And by the way,

1:17:35

this isn't the only massacre that has happened

1:17:37

in the context of Palestinians seeking aid. They said,

1:17:40

no, the Israelis fired on

1:17:42

us using tanks and also using

1:17:44

guns. And you know, the people who were killed

1:17:46

overwhelmingly it was.

1:17:47

From gunshot wounds.

1:17:48

Okay, save two competing claims, how

1:17:51

do you figure out which one is correct? Well, were

1:17:53

most of the deaths caused from stampede,

1:17:56

you know, crushing injuries, or were they from gunshot

1:17:58

wounds? The doctors and independent

1:18:00

observers on the ground said overwhelmingly

1:18:03

it was from gunshot wounds to the

1:18:05

head to the chest. This was not oh, we're firing

1:18:07

warning shots their feet or whatever. So

1:18:10

we do actually know what happened there. It

1:18:12

is knowable because we have two competing stories,

1:18:14

and the facts in reality match

1:18:16

up much more closely with what the Palestinian

1:18:19

said happened. So and

1:18:21

then again to just sort of wave that one

1:18:23

away as, oh, well, you know, war crimes, they're

1:18:25

going to happen.

1:18:26

Maybe that was a war crime. I don't know.

1:18:28

And then to ignore all of the other AID

1:18:31

massacres, all of the other assaults and civilian

1:18:33

infrastructure.

1:18:34

What's your war crumes?

1:18:34

To ignore the complete siege, to ignore everything else

1:18:37

that's happened, and just dismiss that as a one off,

1:18:39

is to deny the reality of what has actually

1:18:42

been a top down, systematic

1:18:45

assault that is wildly

1:18:47

in contravention at every turn with

1:18:50

international lawn and very and is quite

1:18:52

consistent according to the ICJ, according

1:18:55

to according to the UN Special Rapperteur

1:18:58

on Human Rights in the Occupied Territory Tories,

1:19:00

is at least plausible

1:19:02

and in the words of Francescalbani's

1:19:05

reasonable grounds to say

1:19:07

that this is an ongoing genocide.

1:19:09

So that's what I would say in response

1:19:11

to some of what was laid out there.

1:19:13

Anyway, I'm at least glad he's having people

1:19:15

on there debating this.

1:19:16

It's good. It's good for people. All right, let's go move

1:19:18

on to the next one. Trump Politics.

1:19:20

We'll have some more politics in the show tomorrow. I promised,

1:19:23

we're a mercy at the news here. But here's what

1:19:25

we saw over the weekend. Let's put this up

1:19:27

there on the screen. The Trump campaign says

1:19:29

that it raised more than fifty million

1:19:32

dollars at a Saturday fundraiser.

1:19:34

This was a huge announcement because it

1:19:37

was one both where according to his campaign

1:19:39

aid, he pressed again for Joe Biden

1:19:41

to debate him, but it was to debut

1:19:44

the bundling organization that they

1:19:46

had created behind the scenes. They

1:19:48

say, quote Trump is pushing to close the massive

1:19:50

fundraising disadvantage against Biden.

1:19:52

Figures released by the two campaigns show that Biden

1:19:55

ended March with one hundred and ninety two million dollars

1:19:57

on hand, more than twice as much as Donald

1:19:59

Trump. At Saturday's evening's

1:20:01

event, we're asked to donate as much as

1:20:03

eight hundred and fourteen thousand

1:20:05

dollars, so he was able

1:20:07

to make a dent with that one hundred and ninety two million

1:20:10

gap, close twenty five percent

1:20:12

of it in just a single night. And they

1:20:14

say that Trump is actually set to hold another

1:20:17

high dollar fundraiser on Wednesday

1:20:19

in Atlanta. During the private marks,

1:20:21

they say Trump reirated his call for Biden to debate

1:20:24

him after refusing to participate

1:20:26

in the Republican primary debates. Biden, of course

1:20:28

last month had said that you know, he said, well, of course

1:20:30

he wants to debate me, and he won't necessarily commit

1:20:33

to it. Apparently, though he also made some actual

1:20:35

comments when it comes to policy

1:20:38

that we wanted to make sure we covered. Put it up there, please

1:20:40

on the screen. They say, he told

1:20:42

them that he will keep their taxes low.

1:20:45

At the fifty million dollar fundraiser,

1:20:48

according to him, they say, Trump speaked and spoke

1:20:50

to the need to win back the White House so that

1:20:52

we can turn our country around, focus on

1:20:54

key issues including unleashing energy

1:20:56

productions, securing our southern border, reducing

1:20:58

inflation, extending the Trump tax cuts, eliminating

1:21:01

the Biden electric vehicle mandate, protecting

1:21:03

Israel, and avoiding global war in a roughly

1:21:06

forty five minute speech.

1:21:07

But attendees say that.

1:21:09

When the cameras were off, he certainly

1:21:11

said that he would keep taxes low to

1:21:14

some of the billionaires, So it

1:21:16

would explain, you know, why so many of them are very

1:21:18

willing to shell out. Frankly,

1:21:20

I would say he has more institutional Republican

1:21:23

support today than he has at

1:21:25

any point in his entire career because

1:21:27

post January sixth, I mean, yeah, Trump

1:21:30

tax cuts and all that, they were still happy, but there was so much

1:21:32

culture war nonsense going.

1:21:34

On at the time.

1:21:35

A lot of them wouldn't openly say it, but this

1:21:38

really to me shows that he is not

1:21:40

only in charge of the Republican Party obvious for

1:21:42

quite a long time, but he's got a lot of the traditional

1:21:44

business types too. Whoever is left in

1:21:46

here, they're all in for Trump.

1:21:48

Yes, I think Wall Street has gotten

1:21:50

very comfy with the idea of another Trump term,

1:21:53

not only because yeah, he was good to them in

1:21:55

terms of tax cuts, but

1:21:58

also because Biden has been

1:22:01

very His administration has

1:22:03

been good and aggressive on anti

1:22:05

trust in a way that the business

1:22:07

world absolutely hates.

1:22:10

And just look at the Wall Street Journal

1:22:12

and the like out and out jihad they have against

1:22:15

Lena Kon however, many op eds that they've

1:22:17

written, whatever, and so, because

1:22:20

there's much more scrutiny of these big

1:22:22

merger deals going through, that

1:22:24

leads to a lot of Wall Street types who are getting

1:22:27

they're big bonuses at the end of the year.

1:22:28

They hate that.

1:22:29

Of course, the CEOs and executive class

1:22:31

and the owner class, they hate the fact

1:22:33

that they're having to jump through these hoops and undergo

1:22:36

scrutiny that they haven't faced in their entire

1:22:38

lifetimes. With regards to these massive transactions

1:22:40

in the way that they're screwing consumers and workers alike.

1:22:43

So they don't like those pieces.

1:22:46

And I think the original fears with Trump

1:22:48

were like, oh, chaos and uncertainty and

1:22:50

what's this going to mean for the business environment. But

1:22:52

now that they've seen it once around and

1:22:55

they have these antitrust and pro

1:22:58

labor pieces from the Bidens station

1:23:00

that they really hate, suddenly

1:23:02

there, you know, Jamie Diamond and the like even

1:23:04

are much more comfy with a Trump second

1:23:07

term. So to the two things that I found

1:23:09

most noteworthy there in the list of

1:23:11

issues that were important to him were extending

1:23:13

the Trump tax cuts, which yes, means these

1:23:16

you know, billionaires will keep their breaks, and also protecting

1:23:19

Israel, making sure to mention that, and he's

1:23:21

you know, he's said some comments that could kind of be interpreted

1:23:23

however you want to interpret them. But behind

1:23:25

closed doors at this fundraiser, he's making

1:23:27

it clear he's going to be lockstep support

1:23:29

for Israel, as he was as well in

1:23:31

his first term.

1:23:32

I would not count out, though, the impact of these dollars,

1:23:35

given the way that national trends are going and when

1:23:37

we compare them let's go put the next one please up

1:23:39

on the screen, just to give an example. So if

1:23:41

you look at the March fundraising numbers,

1:23:43

where Biden was significantly outpacing Trump,

1:23:46

the Biden campaign, though, is raising twenty

1:23:49

six million dollars, for example, quote

1:23:51

in a single night with their star studed

1:23:53

event, and that included Obama and Bill

1:23:55

Clinton.

1:23:56

This is double that one. Now, let's

1:23:58

let's be real.

1:23:59

They might have lined things up to

1:24:01

get the headline the Trump campaign

1:24:03

did to make sure that it got fifty million.

1:24:05

I'm almost certainly let's watch and see what

1:24:07

comes out of Atlanta, though, because if they're able to put up

1:24:10

twenty some million dollars in the same way that the

1:24:12

Biden campaign can, and note there ain't

1:24:14

no protesters at Trump campaign events

1:24:16

or Trump Trump Big Trump

1:24:19

organization rallies, and that demonstrates

1:24:21

that the unity of the coalition, a ton

1:24:24

of money, and then the popularity

1:24:26

that is going in the tide of Trump.

1:24:28

One thing, as we'll always trying and do here is present

1:24:31

the other side. Let's put this up there on the screen.

1:24:33

Some polls. Now, what we're beginning to

1:24:35

see is that polls are

1:24:37

suggesting a shift in the electorate

1:24:40

in a way that is very counter to recent

1:24:42

history. Joe Biden quote is

1:24:44

struggling with young voters,

1:24:47

but is performing better than most Democrats

1:24:50

with older voters. Maybe

1:24:52

they see a kinsman there in the White House.

1:24:54

But from what we see, the quote

1:24:57

unquote age inversion is

1:24:59

quote the warning sign of a structural problem in

1:25:01

twenty twenty four election polling. One of the

1:25:03

reasons that they are showing this is that if you

1:25:05

break down things by crosstabs,

1:25:08

Biden's strength amongst older

1:25:11

voters may actually indicate

1:25:13

and undercount because even

1:25:16

if Trump does surge amongst young voters, Latinos

1:25:18

and all those other people, that's great, but let's be real,

1:25:20

they don't vote. And I'm talking statistically

1:25:23

younger voters. Minority voters

1:25:25

too very very unlikely to actually

1:25:28

vote in the same numbers as white

1:25:30

boomers. The median voter in this country

1:25:32

is a fifty five year old white man who

1:25:34

is non college educated. If Biden

1:25:37

is able to keep some strength with

1:25:39

that person in the electorate,

1:25:43

that will actually indicate that the polls

1:25:46

right now could actually be overstating Trump

1:25:48

support. Just something that we had to throw out

1:25:50

there because it is interesting, and I

1:25:52

mean I guess it makes sense.

1:25:54

He's an older man.

1:25:55

He is the embodiment of silent

1:25:58

gen and boomerism. Like

1:26:00

in one he's been around forever. Boomers

1:26:02

love the whole like we need a man with experience

1:26:04

thing in the White House. He like checks all the

1:26:06

boxes. So and then they love cable TV

1:26:09

and Biden. Biden is mostly beloved by MSNBC

1:26:11

and CNN. So if you put those things together, it does

1:26:13

actually tract to me.

1:26:14

Yeah, I'm a little mystified, genuinely

1:26:17

about the polls. I don't know what to make of any

1:26:19

of them at this point. You know, are they under

1:26:22

counting Biden? Are they undercounting Trump? I have no

1:26:24

idea.

1:26:24

I'm just throwing my hands up and taking all of it with a grain

1:26:26

of salt. I find it hard to.

1:26:28

Believe they cite a couple of poles

1:26:30

here that has Trump actually a head

1:26:32

of Biden among millennial and gen Z

1:26:34

voters. I find that hard to believe

1:26:38

Biden taking a hit among those voters.

1:26:40

And obviously younger.

1:26:41

Voters are more open to third

1:26:43

party candidates.

1:26:45

Okay, but Trump actually beating

1:26:47

Biden among those voters.

1:26:49

It just if you look at the ideological profile

1:26:51

of them It really doesn't add up, you know, when

1:26:53

you think about their positioning on

1:26:55

any number of issues across the board.

1:26:58

It's hard for me to see that

1:27:01

actually playing out. But it's being

1:27:03

found in multiple poles. But then that's the other thing

1:27:05

is then you can find another pole that has it like the

1:27:07

complete opposite direction. Biden continuing

1:27:10

to have a twenty point lead ahead of Trump

1:27:12

with voters under the age of thirty

1:27:14

five. So I'm just throwing out there, I don't know

1:27:16

what the hell is going on with these poles.

1:27:18

I genuinely don't know. I find it very hard

1:27:20

to believe Trump is actually winning with young voters.

1:27:22

Is eating into the lead? Is o RFK Junior.

1:27:25

Posing a threat for Biden and causing

1:27:27

him problems with these voters?

1:27:28

Cornell West Jill Stein.

1:27:30

Sure, but I'm skeptical

1:27:33

that this massive

1:27:35

like youth wave towards actually affirmatively

1:27:38

towards Trump is actually happening.

1:27:39

It depends on the gender balance too.

1:27:41

If you told me he's me winning amongst young men,

1:27:43

I would believe it actually at the very least

1:27:45

of like fifty some percent if you include women

1:27:47

in that. I do find it hard to believe. Ideologically,

1:27:49

people are Let's be honest. People are all over the map and have

1:27:52

very very divergent opinions whenever

1:27:54

it comes to politics, so etan just looking at

1:27:56

that and mapping it out onto the current candidates

1:27:58

is not is not usually

1:28:00

one to one.

1:28:01

I don't know.

1:28:02

I would say if it is true

1:28:04

that Biden is doing better amongst older voters,

1:28:07

that is a major sign of strength for him and

1:28:09

one that we should pay very very close attention

1:28:12

to. And that is one that I actually really

1:28:14

do believe just given his politics,

1:28:17

given the way that they like to see

1:28:19

the country and the things that they value, they're

1:28:22

probably a lot less likely than I

1:28:24

mean, this is where the media question comes

1:28:26

in. They live in a different universe

1:28:29

than the rest of us. They are literally

1:28:31

not online unless it's their email

1:28:33

or Facebook. That is not the same.

1:28:35

But the way that we all consume media,

1:28:37

and with that, you're going to see a lot less

1:28:39

Biden fumbling, You're going to see a lot less

1:28:42

emphasis on some of the things that we talk about.

1:28:44

And is going to be is not

1:28:46

a problem for older voters.

1:28:47

Don't care.

1:28:48

They own their own houses, you know, And to the extent

1:28:50

that they're in debt or whatever they're on social security,

1:28:52

like they don't care.

1:28:53

That's true too. From the economy is their.

1:28:55

Economy is good.

1:28:56

Yeah, it's one of those where because

1:28:58

of the parallel universe that they like, they're not

1:29:00

feeling the same pressures that we are.

1:29:02

And then you add media on top of that, I

1:29:04

could believe it. Why he is doing better with older folks.

1:29:07

Very interesting, Chrystal,

1:29:10

what are you taking a look at well.

1:29:12

Israelan's defenders swear that

1:29:14

the IDF has followed the rules of war

1:29:16

in their assault on Gaza, that they aren't

1:29:18

at war with civilians but laser focused

1:29:20

on hamas, that any civilian deaths

1:29:23

are the fault of Hamas for operating within the

1:29:25

civilian population or at the very worst,

1:29:27

regrettable mistakes, such as in the case

1:29:29

of the seven World Central Aid kitchen workers who

1:29:32

were killed in that series of three drone strikes.

1:29:34

The IDF, Israel's defenders say, is the

1:29:36

most.

1:29:37

Moral army in the world.

1:29:39

A new shocking report from plus nine seven

1:29:41

to two magazine definitively disproves

1:29:43

every single one of these claims.

1:29:46

Of course, anyone paying attention was fully

1:29:48

disabused of these notions long ago. The

1:29:50

ratio of civilian to militant debts alone

1:29:52

is sufficient to prove that this war on

1:29:54

humanity has been intentional, but

1:29:56

plus nine seven to two once again has provided

1:29:59

invaluable in sight into the exact

1:30:01

mechanisms of the horror. They reveal

1:30:03

for the first time the details of how Israeli

1:30:05

algorithmic targeting supercharged

1:30:08

a slaughter and critically, how

1:30:10

the very human decisions made

1:30:12

in this assault and desire for total revenge

1:30:14

have fueled annihilation and genocide.

1:30:17

Now I urge you to read the entirety

1:30:19

of Yvale Abraham's collaboration with Local

1:30:21

Call for nine to seventy two magazine titled Lavender,

1:30:24

The AI Machine directing Israel's bombing

1:30:26

spree in Gaza. I'm going to summarize

1:30:29

the most significant findings, but I believe this

1:30:31

will be one of the defining journalistic pieces

1:30:33

of this entire onslaught. Every

1:30:35

detail of this report really matters,

1:30:38

so please, if you have the time, take a look. So

1:30:40

here are some of the top line findings of

1:30:42

that report. First of all, Israel has

1:30:44

developed an AI targeting system called Lavender,

1:30:47

which has been used to generate some thirty seven

1:30:49

thousand targets in Gaza. Second,

1:30:52

those human targets generated by

1:30:54

the algorithm were imprecise, with a

1:30:56

known error rate of about ten percent.

1:30:59

In spite of this error rate.

1:31:01

Next to note, human checking was performed

1:31:03

before targeting individuals on the lavender

1:31:05

list for assassination idea, soldiers

1:31:08

were to consider these faulty AI target

1:31:10

lists of alleged militants to be orders.

1:31:13

Miners were included on the list

1:31:15

along with civil service officers. Third,

1:31:18

the IDF authorized extraordinary

1:31:20

levels of collateral damage, officially

1:31:23

twenty civilians per junior hamas

1:31:25

fighter and one hundred civilians

1:31:28

for higher level commanders. In

1:31:30

practice, though collateral damage ratios

1:31:32

could be even higher. The

1:31:35

motive, according to the sources, was not to eliminate

1:31:37

hamas it was pure and simple revenge.

1:31:40

Fourth, contrary to claims about avoiding

1:31:42

civilian casualties, Israel intentionally

1:31:45

targeted civilians through use of a software

1:31:47

program called ware Staty, which was

1:31:50

used to target the private homes of

1:31:52

militants when they were at home with their families

1:31:54

and surrounded by other civilians. Little

1:31:57

was done to make sure the alleged militant

1:31:59

was even actually killed and not just

1:32:01

his family members. Now those are the

1:32:04

top line findings, but it is well worth

1:32:06

digging into the sum of the stomach turning

1:32:08

details here. Gazza has become a

1:32:10

testing ground for dystopian AI driven

1:32:12

military tech, which is plunging all of us into

1:32:14

a new era of horrors and unchecked

1:32:16

barbarism. Nine seven to two had previously

1:32:18

reported on an AI system called

1:32:21

the Gospel, which generates infrastructure

1:32:23

targets with a focus on so called power

1:32:25

targets. These are large centers of civilian

1:32:28

lifelike high rise apartment buildings which were

1:32:30

destroyed in order to demoralize and terrorize

1:32:32

the civilian population. Drone

1:32:34

equipped robot dogs are also increasingly

1:32:37

wandering throughout the rubble in Gaza thanks to new

1:32:39

developments from the Pentagon and US military

1:32:41

contractors. And we can

1:32:44

now add to this list of killer tech Lavender,

1:32:46

which generates tens of thousands of human

1:32:49

targets and operating hand in glove with Lavender

1:32:52

is Where's Daddy Software, which targets

1:32:54

those placed on the Lavender kill list for assassination

1:32:57

while they are at their homes with their families.

1:32:59

Where's Dad get it for the IDF

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When Daddy's home, it means it's time to

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murder every man, woman, and child who happens

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to be in the vicinity. Now, Lavender

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uses the data collected through mass surveillance

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of every Palestinian in Gaza to

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analyze the likelihood that they

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may be Hamas based on a

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list of identified attributes. Every

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Gazan is given a rating of one

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to one hundred as to how likely they are to

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be a militant. The algorithm is programmed

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with hundreds or thousands of attributes which are

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considered to be suggestive of Hamas or

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other militant membership. Some attributes

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identified in the piece include being in the wrong WhatsApp

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group or changing addresses too often.

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Now, if you are clocked with too many incriminating

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features as identified by Lavender, then

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you'll be placed on a kill list and marked for IDF

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