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morning, everybody, Happy Tuesday. We have an amazing

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show for everybody today. What do we have, Crystal, Indeed

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we do.

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There's a hell of a lot unfolding around the country

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as we speak.

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We're going to start the show with some additional

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exclusive polls here with

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Jail Partners about how Israel

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may impact twenty twenty four. We've

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got it broken down by age demographic and

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pretty fascinating look at how different age

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groups are viewing this conflict. We've also

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got a look at a new bad poll

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for by actually a couple new bad polls

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for Biden, both in terms of the overall

0:55

general electorate and also in terms of the battleground

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states.

0:58

We've been tracking some wild

1:00

crackdowns. We've got some unbelievable

1:02

video for you coming out of ut Austin.

1:05

We also have at Columbia student protesters

1:07

have taken over the same campus building

1:10

that they did back in nineteen sixty eight, obviously very

1:12

intentional there. Also getting reports out

1:14

of Virginia's VCU where they are

1:16

tear gassed protesters, So a lot unfolding

1:19

there. We're also taking a look this morning at

1:21

the housing market and a little bit of a helpful

1:23

story some state and federal

1:25

pushback on the trend of Wall Street

1:28

buying up single family housing

1:30

and making it wildly unaffordable. Something

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a little bit hopeful there. Something

1:34

not so hopeful though.

1:35

Israel is reportedly preparing

1:39

to install checkpoints to make sure that

1:41

men are locked into RAFA

1:44

when they begin they're all out assault.

1:47

Take a look at that, and also some recent comments

1:49

from Tony Blincoln and potential progress

1:51

on ceasefire ICC, possible arrest

1:53

warrants. A lot going on there. We also want

1:56

to show you a notable exchange between Piers Morgan

1:58

and John Mehersheimer. Very interesting,

2:01

it's so good, very divergent

2:03

ideological views of America's role

2:05

in the world, So worth getting into that.

2:07

I've got a monologue.

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I'm looking ahead all of the people who are so very

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confused why anyone would protest their

2:12

government helping to participate in

2:14

genocide in the Gaza.

2:16

Strip and big news.

2:18

Essential candidate for the Green Party, doctor Jill

2:20

Stein, is going to join us. Very noteworthy

2:23

for her to be here this week. We showed you yesterday

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she was arrested and assaulted by

2:27

a police officer with a bike. Want to check in on how she's

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doing and what her goals are for her campaign.

2:32

So really honest to be joined by her this y Yeah.

2:34

We got really lucky.

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We booked her a long time ago and then it just

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so happened that this entire thing had

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happened. So we're going to debrief the incident with her,

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if we appreciate. Everybody's been signing up

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to support us. So we had that exclusive poll yesterday.

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We're going to debut even more of the information. Now

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today we've got a candidate interview here with

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Jill Stein. So this is really what we're all about, which

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is doing something that mainstream media is physically

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incapable of actually asking real questions,

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delving into their effect. We're

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showing everything that we've got to you and with Jill Stein,

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we're going to hear her out the way that we will hear out any

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independent candidate for president, given

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the fact that she's going to get ballot access

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most likely in many of these states, and

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of course was blamed for Hillary's loss in

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twenty sixteen, she was blamed.

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Obviously, it's complete bs.

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We are very proud to be able to give

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her a platform to hear her out and speak

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for democracy. So she will have a highly

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consequential role in this election. We're going to

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give her the due that most people are not willing to

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dot com, we would really appreciate it. As

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Christl said, though, we do have a lot more exclusive

3:33

polling. Today, we're going to break it down in

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terms of how Americans feel about

3:38

the Israel Palestine conflict. And we're also going

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to break it down by age. So why don't

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we go ahead and start with our very first one. We can go

3:44

and put this up there on the screen. These

3:46

are the top line numbers, guys. As a reminder,

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who do you most trust to handle

3:51

foreign policy on the Israel Palestine

3:53

conflict.

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There's a bad number here for.

3:55

Joe Biden, Joe Biden thirty one

3:57

percent, Donald Trump thirty five

3:59

percent, Robert Kennedy Junior nine

4:01

percent don't know at twenty five

4:04

percent, So obviously a little bit there up for grabs.

4:06

But let's break it down by age now if

4:08

we can go.

4:09

To the next one, because this is the most

4:11

consequential, and I'm just going to read for by

4:13

age demographic as it is before you, guys,

4:15

so you understand again the question is

4:17

who do you most trust to handle foreign policy

4:19

on the Israel Palestine conflict. So starting

4:22

with the eighteen to twenty nine demographic, Joe

4:24

Biden twenty one percent, Donald Trump

4:27

thirty one percent, Robert Kennedy Junior

4:29

thirteen percent, don't know thirty

4:32

six percent. Now we're moving to the thirty to

4:34

forty nine twenty eight percent for Joe Biden,

4:36

thirty four percent for Donald Trump, twelve percent

4:38

for Robert Kennedy Junior, twenty six percent

4:41

for don't know. For fifty to sixty four, we

4:43

have thirty five percent Joe Biden, thirty

4:45

six percent, Donald Trump seven percent,

4:47

Robert Kennedy Junior twenty two percent for

4:49

don't know. But then amongst boomers, this

4:51

is where things get interesting, sixty five plus

4:54

thirty nine percent for Joe Biden, forty

4:56

percent for Donald Trump, five percent for

4:58

RFK Junior, sixteen percent for

5:01

don't know. So it is very clear here again,

5:03

Crystal, that Joe Biden's best numbers

5:05

on who you trust for Israel Palestine

5:08

are amongst the fifty to sixty four and the sixty

5:10

five plus demographic, relatively

5:12

tied with Donald Trump in those two.

5:15

But when you go actually to younger

5:17

voters, it is Trump who leads,

5:19

presumably amongst younger Republicans,

5:22

but Joe Biden has absolutely no trust amongst

5:24

the younger demographics.

5:25

Oh yeah, yeah, Well, if you look at every single

5:27

age demographic, I mean, many of these are within the

5:29

margin of ra especially among the older groups,

5:31

but Trump edges them ount in every category.

5:33

So listen the reality, of course,

5:35

in terms of how they would handle this conflict, it's

5:38

probably very similar. All three

5:40

of these candidates are extremely pro

5:42

Israel, basically locksteck step in

5:44

their views. We're going to talk later about,

5:46

you know, Trump truth that they

5:48

need to stop the protests. So

5:51

he's a little more like vociferous and

5:53

clear in his language. But Joe Biden has

5:55

been overseeing this authoritarian crackdown.

5:57

Don't know what RFK Junior would do. Haven't heard him comment.

6:00

On this specifically, not that he hasn't said anything. I haven't

6:02

seen him say anything. But they're basically

6:04

aligned on the policy. So there's

6:07

not a lot here to dissent from. But

6:09

in terms of the political impact, you know, it continues

6:12

to show that for young people

6:14

in particular, there is

6:16

a sizable minority. I'm not

6:18

saying it's a majority, but a sizable minority

6:21

for whom this is the number one issue.

6:23

This is the issue they will vote or not vote

6:25

on, and he's lost them.

6:28

I don't think there's anything he could do at this point

6:30

to make it up to them, because

6:33

it's been almost seven months now. They've

6:35

watched these horrors unfold. They've

6:38

seen the way they've been routinely smeared

6:41

from the White House podium, and yeah,

6:44

all of your cajoling is not going to do

6:46

any good. And they're like, your guy is

6:48

helping with the genocide and by the way, smears

6:51

us at every single chance that he gets.

6:53

You don't want.

6:53

So it is a dire political situation

6:55

for Joe Biden.

6:56

Something I was thinking about too, is that there's an more honest

6:58

pro Israel support for Donald Trump,

7:01

because Trump doesn't even pretend, whereas

7:03

with Biden. He does basically

7:05

have the same policy visa of the Israel,

7:07

but then rhetorically, you know, is of

7:09

course trying to appease like you know, human rights

7:12

concerns and others. RFK Junior

7:14

also the same much like Trumps just

7:16

like, yeah, I support Israel like one hundred percent.

7:18

So you know, in a certain way, there's an honest,

7:21

like at least representation I think by both

7:23

Trump and I guess RFK Junior to a certain

7:25

extent, Whereas with Biden. You know, on a policy level,

7:27

anybody who's smart enough to pay attention to the conflict,

7:30

they know there's also about him

7:32

having the power, like he actually has the powers

7:34

and acted that.

7:35

And I think that's the key part.

7:36

That's it is if you look at his overall

7:39

approval ratings and other polls on Israel

7:41

Palestine, it's one of

7:43

it is the worst area for him

7:46

because you have people who are vehemently

7:49

pro Israel, who are like, how dare

7:51

you even suggest that Israel should exactly

7:54

writing things in or say that that's over the

7:56

top. Their response and then you have people

7:58

who are like this as a genocide,

8:00

and I hate that you're overseeing a genocide.

8:03

I mean, you know, I'm not alone and feeling

8:05

like many of the things I was most terrified under

8:07

Trump are coming true before my eyes

8:10

under Joe Biden. So yeah,

8:13

you are really not pleasing anyone at this point.

8:15

You're certainly not pleasing your own base,

8:17

which is wildly at odds

8:20

with what your policy has truly been. And

8:22

the bottom line is, this isn't

8:24

unfolding under Donald Trump, it isn't unfolding

8:27

under RFK Junior. It's unfolding under

8:29

your watch. And so if people

8:31

who are not happy with the direction of the

8:33

policy in any direction, they're

8:36

gonna blame you. So it makes sense from

8:38

that perspective that you know Donald

8:40

Trump would edge him out. But it's not

8:42

like he has a huge clear lead

8:45

here on the conflict either, because I don't think people

8:47

feel like he's particularly trustworthy

8:50

when it comes to foreign affairs either.

8:51

I think we can think of Israel like abortion.

8:53

It is a very animating issue for some

8:55

people, and amongst those people, they're going

8:57

to have real witness. Taks Yea from talking more

9:00

about in the pro life community in particular,

9:02

and so if we think about it that way, it actually makes

9:04

sense electorally.

9:05

You're going to see this in our next graphic.

9:07

Let's go and put this up there on the screen, because

9:09

this illustrates a little bit of what we're talking about. How

9:11

do you feel Joe Biden is handling the conflict?

9:14

So doing well is twenty seven percent

9:16

neither well or badly, eighteen percent

9:18

doing badly, forty nine percent

9:21

don't know. Six Let's go to the next

9:23

part. This again breaks it down by age. I'll

9:25

start with eighteen to twenty nine demographic for

9:27

Joe Biden doing well eighteen percent neither,

9:30

seventeen percent doing badly, fifty

9:32

four percent, eleven percent is

9:34

don't know.

9:35

Yeah, that's right, majority of people.

9:37

Now, actually, amongst the thirty to forty

9:39

nine, you see similar numbers. Twenty six percent

9:41

say he's doing well, eighteen percent neither,

9:43

doing badly is forty eight percent. That's, you know,

9:45

forty eight percent of people. That's a pretty decent amount,

9:48

definitely plurality within that age

9:50

group. And then don't know at eight fifty

9:52

to sixty four you see similar twenty nine percent

9:54

doing well, twenty one percent neither well or

9:57

badly, forty seven percent doing badly,

9:59

three percent don't know. And then amongst

10:01

boomers, this again there's some interesting numbers.

10:03

Thirty two percent doing well, so definitely the highest

10:05

percentage of people say it's doing well, fourteen

10:08

percent saying neither well or badly, so basically a

10:10

wash. But you still got a full fifty fifty percent

10:12

of people boomer saying doing badly, probably

10:15

more pro Israel in the way that they think

10:17

about it in four percent say don't know. So

10:19

interesting that the fifty plus demographic

10:21

has more definite opinions on where he's doing well

10:23

or badly, but there is a sizeable

10:26

doing badly.

10:26

Figure. Let's go to the next one, because this is probably.

10:29

Near majorities in every single age group.

10:31

That's right, even with the option of don't know, it's

10:33

still near majorities in every age group.

10:35

That's like, you suck absolutely. Now, this

10:37

is the key question. Actually, are you more

10:40

or less likely to support a

10:42

candidate as strong as supports Israel more

10:45

likely thirty five percent, doesn't

10:47

matter, thirty one percent less

10:50

likely, eighteen percent don't

10:52

know, sixteen so it is not a you know majority,

10:54

It's not even the biggest number by far. In this

10:56

Israel is a wash for most people, and that makes

10:58

sense. But again amongst that fervor,

11:01

let's break it down by age, because this

11:04

is where it matters the most. Are

11:06

you more or less likely to support a candidate strong

11:08

in sports is real? Amongst eighteen to twenty

11:10

nine, Here we see twenty

11:13

four percent more likely, twenty six percent

11:15

doesn't matter. But you've got a third who're saying

11:17

thirty one percent less likely, eighteen percent

11:19

don't know. Now amongst the rest

11:21

of the age groups, so like, for example, thirty to

11:23

forty nine, twenty seven percent more likely, thirty

11:26

five percent doesn't matter, nineteen percent less

11:28

likely, twenty percent don't know, fifty to

11:30

sixty four thirty five percent more likely, thirty

11:32

four percent doesn't matter, fifteen percent less

11:34

likely, sixteen percent don't know. But then

11:36

here amongst boomers you can actually see the switch.

11:39

Fifty six percent say more likely to

11:41

support somebody who's strongly supports is reel, twenty

11:44

seven percent don't know, less likely, eight

11:46

and ten amongst that don't know.

11:47

Figure for the boomer.

11:48

So overall you've got a pretty decent

11:50

chunk there of eighteen to twenty nine year olds

11:53

in the less likely category, and then you've got

11:55

a big chunk there of boomers in the

11:57

more likely category. So that is the big

11:59

generation square off their crystal

12:01

overall. Again, I mean, nobody should pretend

12:03

the entire election is going to be determined

12:05

on this. The question is only about

12:08

this, you know. Again, the pro lifers pro

12:10

lifers within the GOP maybe twenty

12:13

percent, fifteen percent, you know, at best,

12:15

but they rule the day for a reason, because

12:17

you needed them to get you over that

12:19

finish line. So we should think about it as a

12:22

minority which has sizeable

12:24

voting power and is a very important part

12:26

of the overall constituency because of young

12:28

voters and their importance for turnout in

12:30

a high turnout election.

12:31

Well that's the thing. No one's saying this is going

12:33

to be the top issue for everyone, but given

12:37

what is likely to be a very

12:39

close election, it actually could be

12:41

determinative. You only need

12:44

a relatively small minority of people

12:46

who are voting on this issue for it to

12:48

be the determinative

12:50

factor. I'm looking at Listen,

12:53

anytime you look at these subsamples in one poll

12:56

taken with grains of salt, et cetera. But

12:58

in the recent CNN poll among

13:00

voters age eighteen to thirty five, you've

13:03

got Trump beating Biden by eleven

13:05

points, Trump beating

13:07

Biden among young voters by

13:10

eleven points. As a reminder, back

13:12

in April of twenty twenty, heading into that election,

13:15

Biden was up on Trump by thirty

13:17

one points in this same

13:20

pole. So not all

13:22

of that is Israel Pales nine, but some

13:24

of it is because we know how

13:27

we can see what's unfolding on college

13:29

campuses around the country, we can

13:31

see how important this issue is

13:34

to a certain segment of young

13:36

voters in particular, and so in

13:38

fact, it really could be determinative. We

13:40

also asked that question the other way, in

13:43

terms of are you more or less likely to

13:45

support a candidate that strongly supports palastine

13:47

and can put these numbers up on the screen.

13:50

So here you've got

13:52

the top line numbers, and you've

13:54

got eighteen percent who are saying it's

13:56

more likely, and you've got thirty

13:58

one percent plurality

14:01

saying it's less likely. Thirty another thirty

14:03

one percent say I don't really care. Let's

14:05

put the age numbers up,

14:08

because once again you see the divide

14:10

among the youngest demographic thirty

14:13

six percent say, hey, if that cand

14:15

it strongly supports Palestine, that makes

14:17

me more likely to want to vote for them, and

14:20

the less likely category is only twenty three

14:22

percent. Total reversal among

14:25

you know, the older you go up the demographic chain,

14:27

you've got Among sixty five plus,

14:30

only seven percent say support

14:32

for Palestine makes them more likely and forty

14:34

eight percent say that it makes it

14:36

less likely. And also keep in mind,

14:39

you know, we also broke out these pull numbers

14:41

by media consumption habits, and

14:44

it's exactly what you'd expect. Young voters

14:47

are overwhelmingly a majority

14:49

strong Madri I think was like fifty nine percent are

14:51

getting their news from social media to include

14:54

TikTok, Twitter, Instagram, whatever,

14:56

and older voters are overwhelmingly

14:59

getting there is from cable news.

15:01

Now, part of that is those platforms,

15:04

because those the demographics they're serving, they

15:06

serve content that fits their pre existing

15:08

views. And part of that is, I

15:10

would say, in particular when it comes to cable news,

15:13

shaping their view of the conflict

15:16

and really helping to reinforce

15:18

and further strengthen this divide between

15:20

the demographics. But that's also an important part

15:23

of what we're seeing here and you

15:25

know, it also helps make sense

15:28

why like Joe Biden, for example,

15:30

in spite of the fact that the Democratic Party is not

15:32

with him on this policy. But

15:35

as you point out over and over again, I mean young people,

15:38

they vote, but it's not in the same

15:40

numbers as the oldest demographics. Not to

15:42

mention, Joe Biden is three hundred and twenty three years

15:44

old, So these are the people that he like, identifies

15:47

with most and who shares their worldview.

15:49

So it's both ideological and it's

15:51

political. And then when you add in the influence of

15:54

APAC money and the military industrial

15:56

conflict complex, that's how you end

15:59

up with this very flexing situation where you've

16:01

got a Democratic president who seems to be

16:03

willing to sacrifice his own reelection

16:05

because in his political career

16:08

it has never politically been

16:10

the wrong move to support

16:13

Israel too strongly. No politician

16:15

in his experience has ever paid a price

16:17

for that. He may here be

16:20

the first one. Given how

16:22

clearly animating this is

16:25

for young voters above all other

16:27

demographics.

16:27

It's very possible.

16:28

Again, you know, we have no idea what effect

16:31

this will all have on the margins, but this

16:33

is and I have to put numbers here behind

16:35

this, because people get angry, they're like, what do you mean young people

16:37

don't vote? Only about fifty two percent of eligible

16:39

voters between eighteen to twenty nine voted in

16:41

the twenty twenty election, and that was eight

16:43

percent higher than the twenty and sixteen

16:46

election.

16:46

Just so people understand.

16:48

So actually, in twenty sixteen, the majority

16:50

of young people didn't vote who were eligible to

16:52

vote. Now, what do everybody think that the number

16:54

is? For the boomers age sixty five plus,

16:57

seventy percent of them voted in this twenty

16:59

sixteen election, seventy four

17:01

percent of them voted in the twenty twenty

17:03

election. Now, if we're a high turnout elect twenty

17:05

twenty is a record high for turnout, there's actually

17:08

no expectation that we should come even

17:10

close to that if we see changes,

17:12

let's say, and vote by mail or

17:14

in general. I mean, twenty twenty was just such a

17:17

high tension political year in

17:19

a lot of respects. While people are upset, people

17:21

feel a little bit more tuned out than ever

17:24

from politics today. We know that, by the way, from

17:26

data. There is tons of

17:28

data out there that shows that news

17:30

consumption not our show necessarily,

17:33

but like all for general election news

17:35

is at a record low for this time around.

17:37

Yeah, that is very indicative of people tuning

17:40

out, which means they're not going to vote. So

17:42

if we have a lower turnout election, you

17:44

have you burn out. You turn out at like, you know,

17:46

forty to fifty percent again, but

17:48

the boomer turnout remains steady

17:51

at normal levels, or just say it normalized this to

17:53

seventy again, you're going to see a

17:55

big increase in the amount of people who are

17:58

voting who are older. Now, a

18:00

lot of changes to this right, Abortion scrambled everything.

18:02

So don't get me wrong. If anything, I personally

18:04

would bet on record high Democratic

18:07

women turnout more than anything

18:09

because of abortion. Now, those people, you know,

18:11

I don't know what they feel about Israel, but I know they definitely

18:14

care about abortion more than anything else. So they're

18:16

still going to be coming out. I wouldn't write Biden off.

18:18

I continue to see that though, Crystal. There are a lot

18:20

of people out there who are like Biden is cooked and

18:23

all that. But you know, having sat in the

18:25

studio for the twenty twenty two election, it

18:27

just been burned, you know, and seen too much with

18:30

the referendums and all that I refuse to discount

18:32

any you know, context

18:34

of a surprise because of the abortion

18:36

question, which I always want to lay out in these segments.

18:39

In my view, it's really fifty fifty.

18:41

I agree with that.

18:41

I really think it's fifty to fifty.

18:43

I mean, on the one hand, obviously, as we're talking

18:45

about Joe Biden has huge issues with young people.

18:47

He does huge issues if you look at

18:49

his approvalry. I mean, this is supposed to be the

18:52

core of the Democratic base,

18:54

and they hate his guts. I mean, his approval rating

18:57

is at its lowest among that demographic.

18:59

That should be the verse.

19:01

He should, judging by recent Democratic

19:03

Party history, have his highest approval

19:06

rating among young voters, and they

19:08

despise him. Abortion

19:10

is the other side of the

19:12

coin, though. I mean, it's a disaster for

19:14

the Royal Republican Party, and it has specifically

19:17

been a disaster provably

19:19

in election after election for

19:22

Republicans. So it's not just ballid initiatives.

19:24

It really has translated into

19:26

strong democratic performance when people

19:28

actually have to show up and vote. On the

19:30

other hand, those are special elections that turn

19:32

out as smaller what happens in a general election.

19:35

There are way too many factors, and the polls

19:37

are way too unreliable to

19:40

actually say who is up, who was

19:42

down, how this is all likely to unfold.

19:44

And then you also have all the Trump courtroom drama,

19:47

which God knows what that's going to do, if anything.

19:50

So anyone who's telling you like, for sure

19:52

this person's going to win it, for sure that person's going

19:54

to win, they have no idea.

19:55

They have no idea. We have no idea.

19:58

All we can tell you is some of the factors that are going

20:00

into this mix, and it is a truly complicated

20:02

brup.

20:02

We are only trying to present you what most people don't.

20:05

And this is my biggest problem with cable is that they are

20:07

all about just single narratives.

20:09

They don't prepare their audiences for

20:11

I mean, it would be the easiest thing in the world Biden has

20:14

cooked. That's an easy way to get views. We're not

20:16

going to lie to you people because you look like an idiot,

20:18

you know, and that's a lot of people did look

20:20

that way back in twenty twenty two. It's

20:22

very important what we're trying to do here is present the

20:24

whole picture for what everybody can take away.

20:26

So thank you for supporting this polling,

20:28

because it really does, you know, help me at

20:31

least understand like the effects of it and

20:33

kind of wrap my head around it.

20:34

And I hope it does the same for everybody too.

20:39

Let's get to some of those general election polls

20:41

that we're talking about and some of the mainstream

20:44

media who are now all noticing a very consistent

20:46

trend. Every poll that there is that exists.

20:49

Maybe it's flawed, maybe it's not. It certainly

20:51

shows Trump with a massive edge. Here is

20:53

CNN admitting as such on their own

20:55

program.

20:56

Let's take a listen.

20:57

Our new poll, which was conducted by SSRs,

20:59

finds is leading Biden, who has

21:01

ample work to do with his base and with

21:03

independent voters who were breaking to his GOP

21:06

rival and the head to head raise, Forty

21:08

nine percent of voters say they'd picked Trump for

21:10

president, compared to forty three percent

21:12

for Biden. That's a nine point Trump

21:15

advantage with independent voters. And

21:17

add in third party candidates and Trump's lead

21:19

jumps even more. He has forty

21:21

two percent to Biden's thirty three percent,

21:24

and Robert F. Kennedy Junior gets sixteen

21:26

percent of the vote. Our poll

21:28

also underscores the challenges of incumbency

21:31

and that voters four years later have

21:33

a better view of Trump's presidency compared

21:35

to Biden's fifty five percent say

21:37

Trump's time in office was success,

21:40

with only thirty nine percent saying the same about

21:42

Biden's presidency.

21:43

So you can see that there's a huge disapproval

21:46

there with Joe Biden. You can see Trump almost

21:48

six point lead outside the margin of

21:50

error being admitted. And again, you know, the

21:52

other confounding variable here for the Biden

21:55

question is just about how people feel about

21:57

him.

21:57

Let's put this up there please. I mean, this is just

22:00

straordinary.

22:00

This is not something that you want as

22:02

your headline that is going in to the

22:05

election. Biden is the least popular

22:07

president in seventy years,

22:09

below even Nixon and Jimmy

22:12

Carter. At this point in his presidency,

22:15

Trump, whenever he was in this part of his

22:17

presidency, had a forty six percent

22:19

approval rating ahead of the election.

22:21

Keep in mind that was during the COVID

22:23

nightmare back in April of twenty

22:26

twenty. Think about how insane that period

22:28

was. Even Nixon and Carter had fifty

22:30

three and forty seven percent respectively.

22:33

I mean, Eisenhower had a seventy three percent.

22:35

He was the highest there at this point in

22:37

his presidency. But Biden really

22:39

is in a league of his own in terms of

22:41

low approval. Now I want to say this is the caveat,

22:44

and I've been thinking about this a lot. There are two

22:46

elections that this will turn out to be. It's

22:49

either going to be nineteen sixty eight,

22:51

which I did a hole monologue on, or it's going to be

22:53

nineteen forty eight.

22:54

And let me explain. Nineteen forty eight was

22:56

Harry S.

22:56

Truman. He went into the election historically

22:59

unpopular. People were fed up, union

23:02

strikes, there was rapid inflation, but

23:04

there was, you know, all this change after post

23:06

World War two Korea, there was

23:08

like there was a crisis. The Berlin

23:11

Lyft. Korea came a little bit later, but more what I'm

23:13

saying is there's a lot of geopolitical you know, consternation,

23:16

and every poll that was out there,

23:18

the Gallup polling, I think it was a major one at the time,

23:21

was like Truman's cook, there's nowhere, never going to happen.

23:23

Truman ends up mounting kind of a

23:25

run from behind campaign. The famous

23:27

Dewey defeats Truman, which if he holds up,

23:30

and he ends up winning based upon flogging

23:33

the rest of the political establishment, saying

23:35

that Thomas Dewey and that do nothing Congress

23:37

were the real ones that were responsible for the problem,

23:39

not him, and he gets himself elected as a shock to

23:41

the entire country. The other inverse

23:44

is, like I said nineteen sixty eight, nineteen sixty

23:46

eight, where you see a split of the Democratic

23:48

coalition over Vietnam, you have all

23:50

the chaos of RFK Junior, RFK

23:53

Senior. They're you know, dividing the coalition.

23:55

Hubert Humphrey, he's unable to consolidate

23:57

that. You have a third party candidate like George Wallace.

24:00

It's about thirteen percent of the vote in the South.

24:02

Richard Nixon is able to carry it law and order

24:04

message about forty percent of the vote for popular

24:06

vote. He ends up winning a stunning electoral college

24:08

victory. So one of those two is going to happen. If

24:10

Biden wins, is going to be forty eight. And if Biden loses,

24:13

I think it's going to be in nineteen sixty eight.

24:14

Very interesting, very interesting. I

24:16

mean I just keep thinking about, like, what are the core

24:18

reasons people voted for Joe Biden in the first place

24:21

because they thought he was like a nice guy,

24:23

because they wanted to end the chaos.

24:25

That's it.

24:26

Yeah, Well they don't think he's a nice guy anymore.

24:28

He's not a nice guy. Regardless

24:30

of what you know they said at the White House Correspondence

24:32

dinner about how decent he is whatever, He's

24:35

not a good guy if people don't feel that

24:37

way about him anymore. And number two,

24:39

there's chaos. So you're

24:42

not making an affirmative case for your presidence.

24:44

You haven't bothered to tell anyone that you're even going to

24:46

like try to do anything in particular with

24:49

the second term. So why

24:51

would what is the affirmative case for

24:54

Joe Biden's time around. On

24:56

the other hand, people were really frigging hey, Donald

24:58

Trump to and they don't necessarily want to go back

25:00

to that time period either. And

25:02

the more that we get into the election cycle, you know, it's

25:04

early, like right now, yes, CNN's numbers

25:06

say people have fond memories of the Trump

25:09

time period. They think it was more successful

25:11

than the Biden time period. You know, there's a little

25:13

bit of rose colored glasses there and whatever.

25:16

But as we get more into the

25:18

election cycle, and people have to

25:20

deal with Donald Trump in their face all day every

25:22

day, in his court romantics and whatever the hell else

25:24

he's going to say and do it between now an election

25:27

day, does that change the feeling

25:29

is abortion is the rollback of rights

25:31

that people had kind of taken for granted

25:34

and the horror stories that we're seeing in state

25:36

after state after state. Does that

25:38

end up being the determinive factor?

25:41

Because it's certainly, you know, if we're looking

25:43

at the election results so far, it really

25:45

has been, and that in

25:47

that way, the polls have actually been skewed against

25:49

Democrats. Democrats have been outperforming the

25:51

polls in a lot of these places because they are not

25:54

anticipating the surge

25:56

of voters who are disgusted

25:58

with extremist abortion policy and states

26:00

and localities across the country. So

26:03

that's the landscape we're looking

26:05

at. And then you know, there's a lot of questions

26:07

about obviously they have poured

26:10

gasoline on the fire about to talk about

26:12

some of the extraordinary, very nineteen

26:14

sixty eight esque scenes playing out

26:16

in college campuses across the country.

26:19

This really does divide the Democratic

26:21

base. It also really

26:24

pretends very ill for how the DNC

26:26

is going to go and the level of chaos that is going to

26:28

be on display there as you

26:30

know, Joe Biden continues his unconditional

26:33

support for Israel no matter what. We

26:35

don't know what is about to happen with regards

26:37

to RAFA and the additional

26:39

whores that could unfold there. So there's

26:42

just a you know, there's a lot going on. And

26:44

the bottom line is this is the election

26:46

that almost no one wanted. No one wanted

26:48

this rematch, no one wanted it. But

26:50

there was very little Democrat

26:53

There was basically democracy completely shut

26:55

out on the Democratic side, the Republican base still

26:57

very fond of Trump, and you know, very little

26:59

contest ultimately there either And

27:01

so the overwhelming

27:04

majority of Americans who were like, isn't

27:06

there anyone else we could run? Aren't

27:08

there any other choices from the

27:10

two major parties we could have?

27:12

No?

27:12

And that's why you see such low interest

27:15

and excitement about this election

27:18

cycle, because the people who are

27:20

going to actually, you know, actually

27:23

going to throw this election

27:25

one way or the other are the people who say, I don't like

27:27

either of these dudes, I don't want either of them to be president.

27:29

But I guess at the end of the day, I have to pick. So that's

27:31

where we are as a country. It's not exactly an aspirational

27:34

choice.

27:34

No, it is not aspirational. That's why, you know, if I

27:36

had to bet, it's so hard to pick.

27:38

Obviously, I don't know what's going to happen. But part

27:40

of the thing that did happen in nineteen sixty

27:42

eight is there also was not a lot of excitement.

27:45

Remember, people knew Richard Nixon, and they knew

27:47

a lot about him, and they didn't necessarily like him all that much.

27:49

People also knew a lot about Hubert Humphrey.

27:52

His name may be dead today, but at the time he

27:54

was the vice president, he was a very known quantity.

27:56

He was a star Democrat, but they

27:58

didn't trust him because he was taught by

28:00

LBJ. There was not a lot of insightment. People

28:02

really felt like under attack in nineteen sixty

28:05

eight, and there was like a chaos in this in the middle

28:07

of the chest, which is something

28:09

that I would probably say is very analogous

28:11

today. Let's put the next one up there on the screen.

28:14

You can also see this too, which is what Chrystal

28:16

was talking about in terms of how tight

28:18

things are going to be the latest CBS

28:20

News poll out of Michigan, Pennsylvania,

28:22

Wisconsin, the so called what is it

28:24

Blue Walls, I think we

28:26

dropped out, Well,

28:30

what are the polls there?

28:31

So very very tight race, very

28:33

tight race.

28:34

Now currently, what we see in

28:36

Michigan if you look at the current rating for

28:39

how people say the state of the economy is thirty

28:41

eight percent in Michigan, thirty eight percent Pennsylvania,

28:43

forty two percent Wisconsin.

28:44

But then look at how people feel about Trump.

28:46

Looking back during the Trump era, here was whether they

28:48

think the economy was good sixty two percent, sixty

28:51

one percent, sixty two percent. That is such a strong

28:53

number that I just can't get over. It was highly

28:55

determinative. If you look at

28:57

the end of the year since the COVID pandemic,

29:00

whether people think the things have gotten better. It's

29:02

in the twenties for people in Michigan,

29:04

Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. If

29:06

you look at people who say understands

29:08

people like me. For Biden, in August

29:11

of twenty twenty, it was at forty four percent today

29:13

it's forty For Trump, it was thirty seven percent

29:15

now it's forty two.

29:16

So but Trump is actually beating.

29:17

Biden category that Biden

29:20

used to have that John.

29:20

That is one of the most important

29:22

things about him, is like, yeah, I no, he says crazy stuff,

29:25

but he seems like a nice

29:27

guy and he feels like he understands me. And

29:29

that's one of those two where if you look at each

29:32

one of these states, how does Biden make you feel? Worried?

29:34

Number one response in the state of Pennsylvania.

29:37

Worried number one response in the state of Pennsylvania.

29:40

If you look at who you rate the state

29:42

of if you basically if you just look at finances

29:44

where they're doing better, it's in the twenties and

29:46

all three states. So it's like on all the pocketbook

29:49

stuff, all the traditional rules of politics,

29:51

Like I said, Biden should be cooked. This should

29:53

not even be a question. He's Jimmy

29:55

Carter and there's no a single thing but Trump.

29:57

I mean, you know the fact that it's still tight. He's

30:00

got his own confounding variables there. Yeah,

30:02

and it is very possible that he could still lose.

30:04

One of the things I looked at is also state by state

30:07

Senate elections, which can be very predictive. Carrie

30:09

Lake right now is down by like double digits

30:11

in Arizona. She really, Yeah, it's a disaster.

30:14

Same thing in Pennsylvania. Bob

30:16

Casey is crushing David McCormick

30:18

for ten percent. So that's another

30:21

one you want to look at too, because you take Biden

30:23

Trump out of it and you see a huge lead for

30:25

the Democrat there. That's another sign.

30:27

Sometimes sometimes you know, split

30:29

ticket of voting in these days very

30:32

very rare, so it could indicate some hidden Democratic

30:34

strength.

30:34

Interesting, that is very interesting. I mean

30:36

the irony is I think if Democrats

30:38

had chosen like, you know, random

30:42

relatively generic Democrat, I think they

30:44

be beating Trump pretty easily. I think if Republicans

30:46

had chosen you know, random relatively

30:49

generic Republican, I think they be biting beating

30:51

bind very easily. It's like, you know, so

30:54

they both put up their like weakest

30:56

possible contenders, and yeah,

31:00

we'll see who wins.

31:01

I don't know, see how she all plays out.

31:02

We'll see, folks, it's going to be a fun one.

31:04

A lot of time between now and then. Let's

31:08

go ahead and get to some of what is unfolding

31:10

around the country, some extraordinary scenes.

31:12

We want to start at Columbia University,

31:14

which really has been kind of ground zero for

31:17

these protests and for the crackdown on

31:19

these protests. So we can put these images

31:21

up on the screen. You're talking about the echoes of nineteen

31:23

sixty eight. So here we

31:25

have protesters taking

31:28

over Hamilton Hall on campus

31:31

that was one of the same buildings

31:34

that nineteen sixty eight anti

31:36

Vietnam War protesters took over

31:38

at that time. You can see they

31:41

have hung a flag that says hins

31:43

Hall. That's a reference to

31:46

that little girl who It

31:49

was horrible. I did a whole modelogue about it.

31:51

She was in a.

31:52

Car, her family was killed

31:54

by an IDF strike. She was still alive,

31:56

she was able to call the Red Crescent. She

31:59

was begging for them to and help her.

32:01

They stayed on the line with her, they got the

32:03

route deconflicted so they could come and save

32:05

her. And not only was she assassinated

32:08

by the IDF, this little six year old,

32:10

adorable girl, but her would be rescuers

32:13

also assassinated by the IDF

32:15

and documented on the scene. That ambulance

32:18

coming to save her was just a

32:20

block away. So Hinshall

32:23

in honor of Hint and her

32:26

loss of life. So again, these echoes

32:28

of nineteen sixty eight now being very

32:30

intentionally stoked, and

32:32

that connectivity very intentionally created

32:35

by the protesters at Columbia. I'll

32:38

give you some more updates on Columbia in a minute, because

32:40

I want to show you some of the scenes out of ut Austin,

32:43

where Texas Governor Greg Abbott has

32:45

decided to go full crackdown

32:48

mode. Any of his pretend pretenses

32:50

around free speech clearly gone. Here you can

32:52

see police taking out

32:54

someone carrying them their hands are

32:57

found. Here, you see these

33:00

officers coming in in what appears

33:02

to be riot gear, approaching

33:04

the student protesters. Here

33:06

you see some cop beating the

33:08

hell out of someone. Fist flying

33:11

there as you know, the cops are

33:13

pushing up against the protesters.

33:15

Here we see people being sprayed

33:19

mace I assume, as they

33:21

try to clear on this this area,

33:23

in this encampment.

33:24

And then this is incredible.

33:27

So after the police cleared the whole

33:29

area, this is protesters

33:32

coming back in and the police actually

33:34

having to retreat.

33:35

And then this is my favorite.

33:37

I don't know if you guys can hear this in the background, but

33:39

they're chanting you failed Uvaldi.

33:42

Because DPS was there on the scene

33:45

at Valdi and While they're pretty

33:47

courageous when it comes to beating up

33:50

unarmed college kids, not so courageous

33:52

when it came to rescuing these

33:55

poor babies who were trapped and being murdered inside

33:57

of that elementary school and ultimately bleeding.

34:00

So just extraordinary

34:02

scenes there. I don't know how

34:04

many arrests were made, but student protesters

34:07

at u T Austin very determined,

34:10

even in spite of the crackdown, to come

34:12

back in and reset up the encampment,

34:15

restart the protest. Reportedly

34:17

soccer from the scenes on the ground, the

34:20

protests have only grown in size as

34:22

a result of this attempted crackdown.

34:24

So we can put Greg Abbott's sweet up on the screen.

34:27

Like I said, all of his free speech commentary

34:30

previously is now out the window. He says,

34:32

no encampments will be allowed. Instead, arrests

34:35

are being made. Your thoughts

34:37

on what is unfolding there.

34:38

It does look like about one hundred demonstra This is k kV

34:42

U E ABC got to give a shout out

34:44

to the local media and they're seeing at least one hundred demonstrators

34:47

there arrested. Returning back

34:49

to that Hamilton Hall, that monologue

34:51

that I gave, Yeah, it's very significant.

34:54

I mean, they obviously did it on purpose.

34:55

So nineteen sixty eight, that building,

34:57

Hamilton Hall, was actually occupied by the VA

35:00

non war protesters and they barricaded

35:02

themselves inside.

35:04

I will say, maybe.

35:05

You'll disagree with me, Crystal, I think it was a mistake

35:07

because one of the reasons one of the things that they did

35:09

is a significant amount of property destruction. And they

35:11

blew open the doors with

35:13

with metal, you know, and broke the

35:15

glass and all of that. You can think that's significantly

35:18

if you want, but once you crossed into the line of straight

35:20

up property damage, and you know, we're no longer

35:22

in the real realm of like

35:25

camping on private property, which

35:28

is university and that obviously

35:30

you know, it's very different. It's actual

35:32

like destruction of property. That

35:34

and barricading themselves inside vandalization.

35:37

You're setting yourself up for some sort

35:39

of police demonstration. And so I'll

35:41

be honest, I think it was a mistake what they did

35:43

because destroying property and vandalizing.

35:47

Now at the same time, look Columbia, you know,

35:49

I don't really know what their deal is because Columbia

35:51

says the Columbia is like you

35:54

haved until two pm, and we were all prepared.

35:56

We were like, Okay, here we go, let's go. And

35:58

then two pm comes and goes and nothing happen, and

36:00

the Columbia University faculty are all

36:02

there and then they start getting suspended, but

36:04

there's no actual enforcement. So in

36:06

a certain sense, it's like you're setting

36:08

deadlines and then nothing is happening. So

36:10

I feel like they've chosen the worst of all worlds.

36:13

If you're gonna have rules, you're going to enforce them and enforce

36:15

them. But if not, they're in this tricky

36:17

situation. I will also say, in the student's

36:19

defense, one of the things that Columbia

36:22

prides itself on is its history

36:24

of student activism, right, and

36:26

they sell themselves

36:28

about like, listen, we are so sorry about what

36:30

happened in nineteen sixty eight, and it was a huge on

36:33

their website to go it.

36:34

Yet literally it took a decade to recover.

36:36

From that leaders of activists, So in a certain

36:38

sense, Columbia does not have anybody but

36:40

itself to blame. But I do think it was a huge mistake

36:42

to vandalize property and to break into

36:44

the building, because you're setting yourself up

36:46

for a crackdown. And I've said this before.

36:48

You know, as long as people are peaceful, I think it's fine. But you

36:51

start breaking stuff, burning stuff, vandalizing stuff,

36:53

I'm not gonna lost EmPATH before.

36:54

Well, here's the thing in terms

36:56

of Columbia's response,

36:59

because they threw everything

37:02

at these students for a

37:04

holy, peaceful protest.

37:07

And in the beginning, you're in the beginning.

37:08

Yes, they broad in the cops,

37:10

they threatened the National Guard, they

37:13

suspended students indiscriminately.

37:17

And so when you throw the

37:19

whole kitchen sink at them to begin with,

37:22

well, you got nothing left, They got nothing left

37:24

to fear. I mean, this is something that I've come

37:26

to realize as a parent in terms of, like, you

37:29

know, disciplining children.

37:31

It's your biggest fears.

37:32

They realize that, like you don't actually have any

37:34

power over them. Carefully,

37:37

Ella don't want the same, but

37:40

at a certain extent, like you know, I can't, I

37:42

can ground, I can tell you away the foot. Once you've done

37:44

all the things, what else is there to

37:46

do? And so that's what Columbia

37:49

did here. They're cracked out at the beginning,

37:51

was so aggressive, We're gonna send in the cops and it's

37:53

going to be aggressive, and we're threatened the National Guard

37:56

and all these politicians are gonna they're gonna smear its

37:58

anti semis, we're going to kick you on a school and you're we're

38:00

gonna graduate.

38:00

You're not allowed to set foot on campus.

38:02

And when the students were like, all

38:05

right, well that's happened, what else is

38:07

there left to be threatened with?

38:08

I agree, which is what you're

38:10

pointing to is And this is why it was such

38:12

a mistake to initially send

38:15

in the NYPD, because initially

38:17

this is a peaceful protest. Yes they're in violation

38:20

of rules, but it was they sent in

38:22

the cops and then there was a huge backlash, and then they

38:24

tried negotiation, and that's a big mistake

38:26

because, as you said, you're suspending people, you're

38:29

sending in the cops, and you're kind of boxing people

38:31

into a corner. But then you're giving them deadlines. You're

38:33

not enforcing the deadlines because you're obviously, look, these

38:35

people, they have no idea what to do. They're terrified

38:37

of the headline and sending in the NYPD again

38:40

and inviting a new backlash, and so they

38:42

kind of ratcheted up the ante. I mean, if you think about it,

38:44

this is a bad analogy, but it's like a prison, right, So it's

38:47

like when you have good behavior and then

38:49

you have a violation of that.

38:50

I just watched that whole Unlocked thing on Netflix,

38:53

but.

38:53

It's very instructive about how people feel and

38:55

like, like you were saying about enforcement

38:57

and rules, is okay, if you have a medium

38:59

in action, you should be met with a medium sized

39:02

reasonable response. So the reasonable response

39:04

at that time would have been to do what they did in the

39:06

interim, which is meet with them and be like, okay, guys, like what's going

39:09

on here. Hey, we have commencement in two

39:11

weeks. You're all going home. If you don't

39:13

clear out, you're gonna get suspended. That's going to be a

39:15

problem, and you don't want that. You've paid all this

39:17

money. You know, we have all this going on, and I

39:19

think you know that we're we're talking about lowering tension.

39:21

But they threw the cops in. There was a huge mistake

39:24

that said. Now though, you know, by box

39:26

people into a corner and also kind of both

39:28

throwing the cops and then backing down, they've set

39:30

very unclear expectations, and now

39:32

we have property damage and a wholesale you

39:35

know, occupation of the hall, and unfortunately, I

39:37

do think it's going to end in some tear gas

39:39

or something, and there's no other what other options they have, there's

39:41

no other way to clear people out. You're gonna barricade yourself

39:44

inside of the hall, Like, what are you going to do? And

39:46

especially if they start vandalizing, which they already

39:48

did, you know to get in there.

39:49

Well you should just you know, do what students

39:51

want you to do, which is to divest.

39:53

No, no, I know, I know, but that's.

39:55

Not gonna happen. But yeah, but why not? Unstand

39:57

that? But why not?

39:58

Because there was a vote Columbia barn and

40:00

it was overwhelming in favor of diving

40:02

out.

40:02

But the students don't control the endowment.

40:04

But like, if you have faculty

40:06

and students that are overwhelmingly like, just do

40:08

this thing, then why not just do that thing?

40:10

And then you won't have.

40:11

Your whole occupied and you won't have to send in the cops,

40:13

et cetera. But you know, I think bottom line

40:15

is, like I said, these students have already been

40:17

kicked on school and arrested, so.

40:19

There will summary. We don't we don't

40:21

really know. Here's what I also would say this, don't

40:23

throw your future away for this.

40:25

I know some of these protesters. Please don't do

40:27

this. Your parents spent a lot of mine.

40:29

I disagree with you.

40:30

You want to get your spell if they're like,

40:32

what are you going to do?

40:32

These are people who have agency

40:35

and who feel like they're standing

40:38

against the genocide and I can't.

40:39

I'm proud of them. I think it's incredible.

40:43

Be a footnote to history. You're going to be in some idiot

40:45

long YouTube and me but who

40:47

can talk to you will know you're not going to have a degree.

40:50

You will know a bunch of money.

40:51

There are more things to achieve in life than

40:53

like getting your startup funded or getting

40:55

hired by Wall Street.

40:57

Yeah, they're gonna know.

40:58

You do you can be a teacher, you know.

41:00

These are Yes, these are young people, but they're

41:02

also adults, and they're also perfectly capable

41:05

of making their own decisions about

41:07

what's important to them in their lives and the

41:09

way that they want to live. They're not

41:11

buying into this crap, this part of actually what's

41:13

in my monologue. They're not buying into this crop about

41:15

the only success that matters

41:18

is success in terms of a capitalist marketplace.

41:22

They have values. Those values are important

41:24

to them. They're willing to I think it's incredibly

41:26

admirable that they're willing to sacrifice

41:29

in many instances for people they don't

41:31

know and we'll never meet. Like that's extraordinary

41:34

and I think it's brave. I think they're to be commended, not

41:36

scolded for making the wrong life decisions.

41:38

I'm not going to scold anybody. I'm

41:41

telling you I wouldn't do it, and you're.

41:44

Not doing it. You didn't do it, and it's fine.

41:46

But ten

41:48

years ago, nobody remembers a fucking thing that

41:50

I said. And there's a good reason for that. You

41:53

do, but you do, no, I certainly

41:55

do.

41:55

You do a lot.

41:57

And they will know when

41:59

they're old and gray and they look back

42:01

and everyone else is pretending to have been on

42:03

the right side, they will know

42:05

where they were, and they will know what they can tell

42:07

their kids about what they do.

42:08

That's not going to feed you or your kids.

42:10

I mean, ask some of these Vietnam War people how it all

42:12

worked out for them, and what is it nineteen that's

42:14

twenty years later, So nineteen eighty

42:16

eight, we elected Reagan. You know, we

42:18

had your own contra and all that, Like, did it really make

42:20

a difference what happened to a lot of those folks? Not much

42:23

petered out, Nixon got elected. Law

42:25

and order skyhigh. Murder rates most

42:27

exactly are.

42:28

Such a real it's such a clinical view of the world

42:30

though, feel like, basically nothing matters,

42:32

No protest matters. You know

42:34

your genuine concern about this, you're

42:37

protesting the government, you're disrupting

42:39

political speeches. Nothing you do matters,

42:42

So just like go out and get your

42:44

bag. I think that's I think that's a really cynical,

42:46

not nothing and disturbing view of the

42:48

world.

42:49

Not nothing matters, but a very little does matter.

42:51

Listen, here's the bottom line.

42:53

We know what will happen if these protests don't

42:56

proceed, if these kids don't risk

42:58

the things that they're risking. That again, I think they should

43:00

be absolutely commended for we know what will

43:02

happen, absolutely nothing.

43:04

We don't know what will happen if they try.

43:06

And we've seen at least that

43:08

there has been some pressure placed

43:11

on the administration, and I

43:13

think that's important. And we see

43:15

globally this is another thing I have in my monologue.

43:18

We see that the people in Gaza see

43:20

them, these Palestinians and Gaza are being starved

43:22

to death and threatened with bombing, and the

43:25

entire male population and Rafa now basically

43:27

threatened with execution and murder. They

43:30

see these protests and it means

43:32

something to them. I mean, not alone, is

43:34

I think significant and important. And

43:37

you see the way that international problem mean you see

43:39

the way Netanyahu is kind of freaking out about the fact

43:41

that there's international pressure and these students

43:43

are part of that larger movement.

43:45

So, yeah, there are no guarantees here.

43:46

You're right there was a backlash to the Vietnam

43:49

War protesters, and you're right that could

43:51

happen again. But we know damn well what happens

43:53

if these kids do nothing, and that is the

43:55

status quo perseveres

43:58

Palestinians are probably you

44:00

know, kick down on their land altogether, continue

44:03

to be murdered, continue to be slaughtered. We

44:06

know that's what happens. If they don't protest.

44:08

They think there's a chance they could change something,

44:10

and I applaud them for doing it.

44:11

They may be right. I think they're wrong.

44:14

I think it's a misreading of history and of

44:16

power and of how that all works.

44:18

Now again, I'm I would take

44:20

it back. I don't want to scold people. I

44:22

would only give you some advice that when

44:24

you're very young, it can be really easy to get

44:26

caught up and whatever the current thing of

44:29

the day is. I'm trying to think back from twenty twelve

44:31

or whatever, when whenever I was

44:33

in college, Daca, that was a big one. All right,

44:35

people, Mars or Doca. Oh, this was all

44:38

over. Sorry, you know, look it ended

44:40

up working out nothing like I'm

44:42

just I'm just asking people to have a little

44:44

bit of historical literacy and to be mindful

44:47

that actions are gonna have consequence. Now you're an adult,

44:49

you do whatever you want to do, and I support your

44:51

right to do that. And I've spoken here openly

44:54

I support people's right to protest and

44:56

all that. I would just caution folks

44:58

to not get caught up and to think, you

45:00

know, this ain't nineteen sixty six and sell

45:02

ma Alabama and all that. And there's too often,

45:05

you know, lack of thinking about these consequences. Let's

45:07

think back to BLM. I mean, people took to the streets.

45:09

They thought this was going to be a revolution.

45:12

What's the actual lasting consequence? You almost

45:14

got Donald Trump reelected. You know, you have a sky

45:16

high murder rate. Nothing change in terms of

45:18

police action. So I hope you felt better.

45:20

But like that's pretty much it, you know. I mean, and

45:22

a bunch of grifters got to buy mansions in Los

45:25

Angeles, like you didn't change.

45:26

You're just arguing for, like, give up.

45:29

No, I mean, that is your understand.

45:31

That is what you're arguing. Give up,

45:33

don't try, don't bother. If you

45:35

care about something, you know what, keep your

45:37

mouth shut, stay home and go get

45:39

your bag.

45:40

That's what you're arguing for.

45:41

And I think, listen, the reality is,

45:44

we know how hard it is to have our

45:46

democracy actually reflect what people.

45:48

Want in the will of the people.

45:50

But I don't know why you're even doing what you're doing

45:52

here and caring about politics. If you think, then nothing

45:54

ever matters and nothing ever changes. Obviously,

45:56

we've had protest movements in our history

45:59

that have mattered, have changed. We can look back at

46:01

LGBTQ rights in the very recent

46:03

past, where there was an organized movement and

46:06

there was protests, and guess what change came

46:08

and it mattered, and it happened the Black Lives

46:10

Matter protest situation. I think part

46:12

of what happened there and led to a backlash

46:14

that you're right, absolutely nothing changed is number

46:16

one the co optation, as you said by Grifter's.

46:19

Number two, the lack of any sort of like organized

46:22

specific demands, and number three the fact

46:24

that in direct contrast to these

46:26

protests you actually

46:28

had real widespread

46:31

violence and property destruction and

46:34

damage.

46:34

You have not had that here.

46:36

I totally agree and I commend these people. I said

46:38

it from the beginning. I'll explain then

46:40

you know why am I sitting here Because I want to convince

46:42

people and understand how power really works in

46:44

this country and the ways in which it can change.

46:46

So let's think about the Civil rights era.

46:48

There's a great series of books called The Parting of

46:50

the Waters is three three series.

46:52

I highly recommend people read it.

46:53

A misreading of history is I think that Martin Luther King

46:56

Junior in the cell Alabama March is the only

46:58

thing that mattered, and it's totally wrong. LACP

47:01

working with Lyndon Johnson and with the US

47:03

Senate over a period of twenty five

47:05

years in the legislative process, using

47:07

and using the protest movement and then specifically

47:10

co opt and hit the powers of center that

47:12

mattered, actually resulted in the nineteen sixty

47:14

four Civil Rights Act on top of the

47:16

assassination of John F.

47:17

Kennedy.

47:18

It was the perfect moment for it to actually be

47:20

able to come through. That's how it worked, right.

47:22

So it's not just taking to the streets. Now, I'm

47:24

not going to diminish the people who took the streets,

47:26

right, but they're not actually the ones who really changed

47:28

anything. Well, it was Lbjr. And it

47:31

was the people that were Hubert Humphrey and all

47:33

the cocktail.

47:34

What they didn't matter.

47:35

I mean, it mattered

47:38

a.

47:38

Lot less than the NAACP and

47:40

then Lyndon Johnson, Hubert Humphrey and the leaders.

47:42

But you're pretending like what's happening on Columbia is the only

47:44

thing happening in the entire country. I mean,

47:47

again, this movement has

47:49

already won the

47:51

argument. This movement has already

47:54

dramatically changed public opinion, especially

47:57

in terms of young people.

47:58

This movement has made it.

48:00

But for the first time, you know, Canni's like Summer

48:02

Lee can actually be out and out

48:04

oppositional to critical of Israel

48:06

and Apec didn't even try to

48:08

defeat her because they knew she was.

48:10

Too strong, she was gonna win.

48:11

For the first time, there is actual political

48:14

weight on the side of the Palestinians where

48:16

it's only been on one side

48:18

previously. So those are all changes

48:20

that are being made. And by the way, as I said, this is not the

48:22

only thing that's happening. You also have organizations

48:25

that are forming, that have formed, that

48:27

are designed to put money on the other side

48:29

of the equation. Organized on the other side of the equation,

48:32

you have unions that have gotten involved, who have come

48:34

out in favor of ceasefires and putting their

48:36

organizational weight in might behind it. So

48:39

to pretend like this is the only thing

48:41

that's happening, and so you know, so it's not

48:43

going to matter. To pretend that protests just haven't ever

48:45

mattered in history. I just think that

48:47

that is I think it's preposterous. I think it's

48:50

nihilistic, and I just think it's ASTiP.

48:51

I don't think that it doesn't matter.

48:53

I think that it is part of a broader hole,

48:55

and I would encourage people to not overestimate

48:59

what part of one is and underestimate

49:01

the life. I completely agree with you on the Union

49:04

part, on the Congress part, and that you

49:06

know, why do we spend so much time here? That shit really

49:08

does matter? Like who really votes for x

49:10

Y? You know A to Ukraine? Why do you think we spend

49:13

so much time here? Or I care so much about

49:15

Congress and the way that Ukraine ad matters and

49:18

explaining all this shit about parliamentary procedure

49:20

because that's the stuff that really governs our lives,

49:22

like me taking to the streets and if

49:24

I started an anti Ukraine war protest,

49:26

which I would love to participate in, if anybody ever wants

49:29

to let me know the next one that is happening, it's

49:32

matter, But that's my point. It wouldn't do anything.

49:34

It actually wouldn't do anything. No, if I

49:36

spend all my time here and I win the

49:38

argument and I try and work,

49:40

you know, pressure lawmakers to actually do

49:43

something that's going to be a little bit different, and explaining

49:45

to the people here about how some of that stuff works

49:48

and to the limited extent that we actually have a check

49:50

in our huge democratic system,

49:53

that is a real understanding. I think

49:55

of kind of how the power works. Again to

49:57

when you're twenty one years old, you don't have any power

49:59

regardless. So yeah, this is probably your

50:01

best bet in terms of participating in

50:04

the whole. I am only saying you should also

50:06

think about your future and what it's like in the you

50:08

know, in a way, it's a little bit nihilistic

50:10

to think that me getting expelled from school

50:12

over participate or you know, breaking down a

50:14

Hamilton Hall window is going to change

50:17

the world. Like, I'm sorry, you know, the most likely outcome

50:19

is that you're screwed. Ten years from now, nobody

50:21

remembers you don't have a degree, you got

50:23

expelled, and now you're what one hundred and fifty

50:26

thousand dollars in debt. You know, I worry

50:28

about those people too. I mean, I'm certainly how

50:30

are they going to be able to buy a house or whatever. Actually,

50:32

the single worst situation you can be in is to have

50:34

no degree and all of the attendant Ivy

50:37

League school debt, which none no wonder a

50:39

lot of these people are going to be in. That's just,

50:41

you know, in a way, that's nihilism as well, thinking

50:43

that this is the most important thing that's ever going to happen

50:45

in your life.

50:46

The truth is it's not. Almost by a large.

50:48

Channel for the things that you believe in, and you're willing to bear

50:50

a costs and a consequence. I think is what we call

50:53

like courage and is admirable.

50:55

And yeah, they know that there is a potential price that they

50:57

are paying. They're not stupid, quite

51:00

aware of that. Their administration of Columbia

51:02

has made them quite aware of that. The political

51:05

leads, the media clause have made them quite aware of

51:07

that. And Bill Ackman threatening to keep them

51:09

from ever being hired like that should already

51:11

happen, being doxed and smeared.

51:13

Why do you think they all wear masks at the protest?

51:15

That's why. Okay, they're very

51:17

well aware of.

51:18

The consequences and they're doing it anyway, and

51:20

I think they deserve to be commended for that. If

51:23

we can move on to the next element though, to update

51:26

on what Columbia is actually

51:28

doing. So, as

51:30

Soccer mentioned previously, you

51:33

had a two pm deadline issued

51:35

to specifically the protesters

51:38

that were in the encampment, saying listen,

51:40

you need to clear on here or we're

51:43

going to clear you out effectively. In

51:45

advance of that, you can put B three

51:48

up on the screen. You actually had very moving

51:50

scenes of these people wearing

51:52

the orange vest.

51:54

These are all faculty.

51:56

In these like designated vests so that

51:58

they can be clearly identified as such.

52:00

And you can see quite a number of Columbia

52:03

University faculty who are linking

52:06

arms here and surrounding the encampment

52:08

to try to protect these students. You also

52:10

had a march of at least

52:13

one thousand students, quite a number who

52:15

were encircling the encampment

52:18

as well, also in an effort to

52:20

protect the students who were

52:22

in camp there. But you know, we were watching closely.

52:25

Two PM came and went, and there

52:28

was no visible action. There were some reports

52:30

of cops outside of the university to

52:32

sort of stand and buy, but there were no

52:34

actual police action to clear

52:36

out the encampment as we had seen

52:38

previously. But we did

52:40

get this news put this up on the screen

52:43

from Axios. Reportedly,

52:45

Columbia did then start instead

52:48

of using force to clear out the encampment, they just started

52:50

suspending everyone. So

52:52

Ben Chang, vice president for Communications at Columbia,

52:55

confirmed suspensions had begun at a press

52:57

briefing at five pm, three

52:59

apps or hours after the school had set

53:01

that deadline. Didn't say how many students

53:03

are going to be suspended but confirmed, they'll be unable

53:06

to finish the semester, unable to graduate, and

53:08

they're also going to be barred from entering any

53:10

campus housing or academic

53:12

buildings. So that is the Columbia

53:15

response. I don't think it's probably going to do

53:17

anything to tamp down the continued protests.

53:20

Korein John Pierre, Biden's press

53:23

secretary, was asked about free

53:25

speech rights and had this

53:27

to say.

53:28

I see administration's response specifically

53:30

to the use of police force in some of these college

53:33

campus protests.

53:33

You saw is at DNA University, Ohio

53:35

State m LDT, Austin.

53:38

Yeah, so again I'm

53:40

going to be really repetitive here. Americans

53:46

have the right to peace fully protest within the law.

53:48

That is really important here. Anti

53:50

Semitism is dangerous. I know, I've

53:52

seen We've seen the videos

53:55

that have pretty much gone viral out

53:57

there, and I can't

53:59

speak to that.

54:01

We may have more to say.

54:02

About those videos once

54:05

we look into that, once you know, we'd have to look

54:07

into them. Just don't have anything to share beyond

54:09

that.

54:09

I mean, listen, regardless of what, But

54:11

did you know anti semitism is bad? Thank

54:14

you for that public service announcement. I really

54:16

appreciate. Think about this, like

54:19

whether you think that these kids deserve to

54:21

have their skulls cracked and thrown in prison, or whether

54:23

you think that they are exercising

54:25

their First Amendment rights and deserve to

54:27

not be smeared. Anti Sell like this

54:30

is unfolding at campuses across the country

54:32

and this is all you have to say about it.

54:34

It's so pathetic.

54:35

And she basically says she's not aware.

54:37

I mean, in a certain sense, I don't really want

54:39

the White House to be involved in Colombia,

54:42

Like we can have it a couple of ways. Yeah,

54:44

the White in my opinion, the federal government

54:46

shuld have nothing to say about what's going on Columbia. That

54:48

should be a matter at Columbia as a private university,

54:50

and it's a private place. As long as the

54:52

First Amendment rights are protected, I don't really

54:55

give a shit. You know, private university can do

54:57

whatever they want now. At the same time,

54:59

though, we live in the age where everybody has to

55:01

have an opinion on everything.

55:03

Well, the RKA already weighed in, right.

55:05

And they weigh in all the time for you know,

55:07

like some random crime or wherever if

55:09

it's a transperson, right, they were like, oh my god, this

55:11

is like the greatest paddic in the history of

55:13

the world or something like that, like trans

55:15

policy at the University of Ohio. It's like, well,

55:17

if you're going to weigh in on that, then you can't

55:20

really be saying, well, I'm not really aware,

55:22

but anti semitism is bad and

55:25

no on this particular one, I haven't seen the videos

55:27

or whatever. It's like, it's very selective

55:30

in the way that things are. Yeah, so we can have it both

55:32

ways. I prefer the former, but you guys have chosen

55:34

this.

55:34

And well, here's the thing. I mean, many of these institutions

55:37

are public universities. It's not like it's only

55:39

columb we're talking about you know, U see Austin,

55:41

We're talking about Virginia, Tag. We were talking about

55:43

all sorts of public university state

55:46

schools across the country where

55:48

there are First Amendment

55:50

rights have to be respected. So

55:52

in that way, it really is a federal

55:54

government issue. And then also it's so hypocritical

55:57

with all their like democracies on the ballot

55:59

and Trump's authoritarian whatever, and you're

56:01

watching this unfold you cheered it you

56:03

provide a cover for it with your bullshit

56:06

statement smearing all these kids as

56:08

anti semites, and now you've got nothing to

56:10

say about them all being you know, arrested

56:12

and based and tear gased at VCU

56:15

faculty, elderly faculty,

56:18

being thrown on the ground and assault. I mean, this

56:20

is insane, and you're just like, yeah, I haven't seen

56:22

it. I'm not really aware any of my next question.

56:24

Right utterly, and it is bullshit, as you and

56:26

I know that these people haven't seen because they're more

56:28

online ten times than we are, so it's like

56:30

you saw it, of course exactly.

56:32

Of course.

56:33

Meanwhile, you have Trump making

56:36

very go to B seven, you have Trump making

56:38

very clear what he thinks about this,

56:40

you know, any sort of like free speech pretense

56:43

clearly over. He just says, stop

56:45

the protests now. So him

56:47

and Joe Biden, Greeen, Jean Pierre all

56:49

on the same page apparently on this one. No

56:52

daylight between them. You know, we didn't make

56:54

up an element for this. But you have Senator

56:56

Marsha Blackburn, who was another one who five seconds

56:58

ago, oh, free speech people have to be allowed to

57:00

descend college campuses, blah blah, blah.

57:03

Now she's calling some students to be put on a

57:05

terrorist no fly list. Okay,

57:08

that's the sort of thing that's happening in

57:10

the United States Congress right now, led

57:13

in part by Speaker Mike Johnson,

57:15

who had this to say recently, we're.

57:17

Looking at very seriously reducing

57:19

or eliminating any federal funds at all

57:21

to campuses who cannot maintain basic

57:23

safety and security of true students. I mean,

57:26

it sounds ridiculous

57:28

to say that this is what it's come to, but that's what we're

57:30

looking at. We're looking at some other things as well.

57:32

I mean, if you're a foreign student here and

57:34

you're participating in this madness, you

57:36

don't have a right to do that. Maybe your

57:38

visa should not be extended, Maybe it should

57:40

be revoked if you're going to threaten your own classmates

57:43

here or come here for that purpose.

57:45

So we've got yesterday we covered

57:47

Richie Torres and Mike Lawler the

57:50

Columbia Acts. They want

57:52

to install anti Semitism monitors

57:55

to make sure no one is saying a rally chant

57:57

that they don't like at schools and threaten their federal

57:59

fundation if someone says something somewhere

58:02

that is unacceptable to Benjamin Nett.

58:04

Yahoo.

58:04

Now you've got Mike Johnson also threatening

58:07

federal funding and student visas

58:09

for any foreign students who

58:11

are participating in protests that

58:14

they don't like or are participating in wrong

58:16

think. And you've got Marsha Blackburn saying

58:18

put these kids on the no fly list. I mean, it's

58:21

extraordinary. You know, I should have predicted

58:23

it because we both knew both sides

58:25

were posture about free speech like Republicans.

58:27

We knew they were posturing about like pretending

58:29

to care about as long as it didn't conflict with their values.

58:32

It would take an issue like this where there's such

58:34

elite bipartisan consensus effect,

58:36

Yes for the full crackdown,

58:39

because it's exactly like you know, Poster Rock

58:41

War and Patriot Act. It's when they agree

58:43

and they use the full force of the federal government

58:46

to enforce their elite consensus,

58:48

that's when things get the ugliest.

58:50

No, it's terrifying.

58:50

The no fileists in particular is nuts.

58:53

I'm currently re listening to our listening

58:55

to the latest season of Cereal. I actually

58:57

highly recommend it. It's about the Guantanamo Bay

59:00

and just putting myself back in time

59:02

fifteen years ago, You're like, oh yeah, this country lost

59:04

is freaking mine and this was wild

59:07

stuff in terms of what we allowed in terms

59:09

of the the Fourth Amendment

59:12

rights and just so many ways in which we bridge

59:14

that gap. We don't need to be going back there. No

59:16

fly lists are completely unconstitutional.

59:19

They shouldn't even exist in the first place.

59:21

The implementation of this was a huge disaster

59:23

in any US that is in place on a no filist

59:26

for participating in a protest against foreign government

59:28

is as Unamerican as it gets. The

59:30

only thing I'll say is, don't threaten me with a good time in

59:32

terms of provoking federal funding from Ivy League universities,

59:35

because if that's what it takes, then they're all going to

59:37

burn to the ground and I'm not going to be all that upset

59:39

about it. I do agree, though, Crystal, as we had talked

59:41

about, if the impetus is that and if

59:43

federal funding is contingent on being

59:46

Zionist or notugh, I mean, that's

59:49

a bridge too far from me. All I want

59:51

is to see these places burn to the ground anyways.

59:54

But it is very clear that this is a carrot

59:56

and a stick and the big problem is that we

59:58

all know they're not actually going to do it. Columbia

1:00:00

will buckle, and that this will only lead to a morson

1:00:02

storious environment in terms of all Ivy

1:00:05

League universities, a strengthening of DEI,

1:00:08

decrease with the First Amendment, a decrease really

1:00:10

of civil rights and of equal

1:00:12

protection for everybody. And that is why I'm

1:00:14

going to oppose it, as you know, if that's the way.

1:00:16

That's going, because it's the precedent being

1:00:18

said is we're going to use the full weight

1:00:21

and force of the federal government to enforce

1:00:23

a particular ideology on a school that's

1:00:25

right. And whether it's this ideology or another

1:00:27

ideology that is by you know, endorsed

1:00:29

by an elite consensus or by whatever power

1:00:32

party is in power, once you open

1:00:34

that door, there is no walking back through.

1:00:36

It, as it is with the Patriot Act.

1:00:37

So anyway, that was our look

1:00:40

at what's happening, a little bit of what's happening around

1:00:42

the country, and I think there are many

1:00:44

more dramatic scenes to unfold between now

1:00:47

and graduation day, and certainly between now and the DNC.

1:00:51

All right, guys, thanks to sacronize a little spirited,

1:00:54

unplanned debate. We no longer

1:00:56

have time to talk about housing today, so don't worry. We'll bring

1:00:58

in that story in the future room and make sure we get to doctor

1:01:00

Jillstein on time. So let's god and move on to the

1:01:03

very latest with regards to Israel, because there is a whole

1:01:05

lot that is consequential that is happening

1:01:08

there, in particular the possibility

1:01:10

of a ceasefire deal, the

1:01:12

imminent possibility of a RAPA

1:01:14

invasion, and the

1:01:17

imminent possibility of ic C arrest

1:01:19

warrant. And these

1:01:21

things may seem disconnected, but there actually are

1:01:24

all connected. I'll get to that in a moment, But first

1:01:26

of all, let's listen to how Sanctuary State

1:01:28

Tony Blinken is talking about

1:01:31

this potential ceasefire deal.

1:01:32

Moss has before a proposal that is

1:01:36

extraordinarily, extraordinarily

1:01:39

generous on the part of

1:01:41

Israel. And in this moment, the

1:01:43

only thing standing between the

1:01:45

people of Gaza and a ceasefire is a Moss.

1:01:48

They have to decide, and they have to

1:01:50

decide quickly.

1:01:51

Oh, an extraordinarily generous

1:01:54

offer. Wow, Wow, Let's

1:01:56

see what's in this extraordinarily generous

1:01:59

offer that's been made. Put this up on the screen from

1:02:01

the New York Times. So the

1:02:04

offer includes a forty

1:02:06

day ceasefire, that's it, forty

1:02:09

days, and the release of

1:02:11

potentially thousands of Palacitan prisoners in

1:02:13

exchange for the Israeli hostages.

1:02:15

Apparently the big concession is

1:02:18

releasing Instead of releasing forty hostages,

1:02:21

the Israeli government is prepared to settle for

1:02:23

only thirty three. And

1:02:25

you know, frankly, there's a lot of reports that many of

1:02:27

the hostages have been killed.

1:02:29

I mean, they've been in an active.

1:02:30

War zone for seven months now

1:02:32

and subject to the same you know, siege conditions

1:02:35

as everyone else in the Gaza strip. So

1:02:38

you have pretty wide distance between

1:02:41

the Hamas position, which is not only

1:02:43

we want a permanent ceasefire, not forty days,

1:02:45

a permanent ceasefire. And this

1:02:47

is a critical piece too. They want

1:02:49

people to be able to return to

1:02:52

northern Gaza, to whatever's left of

1:02:54

northern Gaza, and that's been something that the

1:02:56

Israeli government has been adamantly

1:02:59

opposed to by very one sided

1:03:01

framing here of Oh, the whole problem.

1:03:03

Is with Hamas.

1:03:03

Obviously, these are negotiations. Both sides

1:03:05

have to give and take. But to present this as

1:03:08

like extraordinarily generous and the best offer and

1:03:10

how could they possibly refuse Sagara, I think

1:03:12

is very disingenuous.

1:03:13

Yeah, it's just the key sticking

1:03:15

point between them is that Israel says

1:03:17

we're going to continue the war no matter what, and

1:03:19

the ceasefire is just like a temporary thing

1:03:21

on the way, and Hamas, of course they're trying

1:03:23

to use their leverage, which are hostages, and they're like, no, we're

1:03:25

gonna give up these hostages and then the war just needs to end.

1:03:28

Period.

1:03:28

I mean, this is a huge problem in Israeli

1:03:30

society too, because this is how they they

1:03:32

are. Really, what Israel wants is to have their

1:03:34

cake and eat it too. They want to get their they want the

1:03:36

hostages out. There were huge pro you know, it's

1:03:39

funny we cover protests in America. In

1:03:41

Tel Aviv they're lighting shit on fire in the middle

1:03:43

of the street yesterday because there's

1:03:45

a huge protest continuing around

1:03:47

hostages, around the conduct of the war and nets

1:03:50

on Yahoo. So the big what they

1:03:52

want to do is they want to release all the hostages, which

1:03:54

releases the pressure valve and Israeli society

1:03:56

because then there won't be any more pressure

1:03:58

on the government to conduct the war or differently.

1:04:01

But they don't want to commit to ending the

1:04:03

war at all. So this is obviously

1:04:05

the key sticking point. If I had to

1:04:07

guess what Blincoln and the Biden administration's

1:04:09

theory of the case here is is that and

1:04:12

one I don't think he's unreasonable is once guns

1:04:14

stopped firing for forty days, it's very difficult

1:04:16

to restart the guns.

1:04:17

Now.

1:04:18

That said, if I had to bet anybody

1:04:20

who would do it, I think that the Israelis would.

1:04:22

And that's part of the conundrum

1:04:25

that we really face here is that Bbe

1:04:28

and his coalition and really Israeli

1:04:30

society, I think we'll be honest, they want to go into

1:04:32

Rafa, and they want to destroy it, and they want to level

1:04:34

it. America doesn't want that, you know.

1:04:36

Biden, for domestic reasons and for geopolitical

1:04:39

reasons is like, hey, the more violence that

1:04:41

we have, the more problems I have here at home and

1:04:43

abroad. So we're really stuck because

1:04:45

we don't want this to happen period.

1:04:48

This is a delaying action with the hope that we can

1:04:50

achieve some permanency, spire or whatever.

1:04:52

In the future, but unfortunately, I don't

1:04:54

think it's possible with the current Israelis

1:04:56

on the other side.

1:04:57

Of the table well, and with the US unwilling

1:04:59

to use leverage to enforce

1:05:01

any kind of outcome. I mean, just like asking

1:05:03

Boebe nicely, obviously.

1:05:05

Is it worked, and it's not going to work.

1:05:07

So you're absolutely right that there's no reason

1:05:09

to expect that even if they do secure

1:05:12

this forty day cease fire

1:05:14

deal, Phoebe has promised, he repeatedly,

1:05:17

just promised again, and you were sending it to me, that

1:05:19

we will go into Rafa, whether there's a temporary

1:05:21

cease fire or not.

1:05:22

We are going in.

1:05:23

Another thing that I want to point out, which we talked about

1:05:25

at the time, but for some reason the mainstream media is I

1:05:28

know what reason, but they just chose to ignore the

1:05:30

beginning is that hamas said, offered

1:05:32

almost immediately and all for all deal,

1:05:34

all hostages in exchange for palest to mean prisoners

1:05:37

and the family members of the hostages.

1:05:41

They sort of just learned about this, at least

1:05:44

some of them, and are realizing like, oh,

1:05:46

you Bbe Night, now you've all of

1:05:48

your talk about your concern for the hostages This

1:05:50

is all bullshit. This has just been an emotional manipulation

1:05:53

tactic because if they were actually your number one priority,

1:05:56

they would have been returned already.

1:05:58

So there's that at

1:06:00

the same point, you know, they're trying to

1:06:02

use. First of all, Rafa

1:06:05

has taken on this horrifying

1:06:07

symbolic importance, both in terms

1:06:09

of.

1:06:10

You know, Bob's making the case.

1:06:11

That the reason they haven't achieved victory yet is

1:06:13

because I haven't gone into Rafa

1:06:16

and your right saga that I think Israeli public

1:06:18

overwhelmingly is in favor of continuing

1:06:20

the annihilation into Rafa, where you have one point

1:06:22

three million Palestinians who are sheltering right there

1:06:24

along the border with Egypt. This is also

1:06:27

being used as negotiating

1:06:29

leverage, basically a threat of

1:06:31

we're going to do more horrors and atrocities in

1:06:33

Rafa if you don't secure this you know,

1:06:36

limited forty day cease fire deal. And

1:06:38

we're getting some truly dystopian,

1:06:42

horrifying indications

1:06:45

of what exactly is planned for Rafa.

1:06:48

Let's put this up on the screen. So

1:06:50

this is according to Middle East I,

1:06:54

Israel is planning a ring

1:06:56

of checkpoints around Rafa to

1:06:59

prevent any men

1:07:01

quote unquote military age men from

1:07:04

fleeing the Rafa assault,

1:07:07

So they say here the

1:07:10

checkpoints are designed to allow some women

1:07:12

and children to leave Rafa ahead

1:07:14

of an expected Israeli offensive, but unarmed

1:07:17

civilian Palestinian men will

1:07:19

likely be separated from their families and

1:07:22

remain trapped in Rafa

1:07:24

during an expected Israeli assault.

1:07:26

Previously unreported disclosure of Israel's

1:07:28

construction of a ring of checkpoints around Rafa underscores

1:07:31

how Israel's pushing ahead with plans to attack that

1:07:33

city, where over one million displaced Palestinians

1:07:36

are sheltering intents and makeshift camps.

1:07:39

So, Sagar, this

1:07:41

is directly a war on men.

1:07:43

That fits very much with the assumption

1:07:47

that we've seen from the Israeli government, official

1:07:49

policy, and frankly media

1:07:51

buy in that if a man was

1:07:53

killed, if even a sixteen

1:07:56

year old boy was killed, they

1:07:58

must inherently just be because they're a

1:08:01

man of military age, they must be a

1:08:03

terrorist ergo, they're a legitimate target.

1:08:05

That's the way they have been operating. But this

1:08:07

is another level of codifying

1:08:10

into their approach that if you are

1:08:12

a man, any man within

1:08:15

what we can colorably describe as military

1:08:17

age, then you deserve

1:08:19

to be tortured, kidnap bombed, and ultimately

1:08:22

killed.

1:08:22

Yeah, this has its roots in kind

1:08:24

of counterinsurgency policy, except

1:08:26

what they're missing is that they didn't have

1:08:29

any effort to separate like non

1:08:31

terrorists from actual terrorists. We

1:08:33

usually, I mean, this has done and done in the past, for example,

1:08:36

giving everybody opportunity to flee and then

1:08:38

saying anybody who remains in the city will be

1:08:40

considered.

1:08:41

You know, it's.

1:08:42

Basically like a free fire zone in Pauza City,

1:08:44

right exactly. But what they should do, what

1:08:47

you really want to do, is, if you actually

1:08:49

wanted to do this, you separate the male

1:08:51

population from the terrorist population.

1:08:53

Now if that sounds easy, and it's not easy.

1:08:55

It does require a lot of death, but it

1:08:57

also requires actually using

1:09:00

your military and putting them at risk,

1:09:02

which is something that you know, it's been a while

1:09:04

since we've seen Israelis engage in active combat

1:09:07

like actually on the ground.

1:09:08

They're just not willing to do it.

1:09:09

They're just basically willing to take as many civilian

1:09:11

casualties as possible while keeping

1:09:14

their own men safe. Now, in theory, you would be like, well,

1:09:16

why wouldn't anybody do that, Well, America didn't do

1:09:18

that in the Iraq War and in Afghanistan.

1:09:20

You can have plenty of criticisms of our

1:09:23

military, but people extraordinary

1:09:25

measures and many American lives were lost specifically

1:09:27

to try and prevent situations like this from

1:09:30

happening, which is basically just everybody is declared,

1:09:32

you know, free fire zone. There are may be very

1:09:34

limited instances, but commanders and the overall

1:09:37

eth those of the military is that is not the

1:09:39

way that you can fight in a country which

1:09:41

you're occupying with a huge you know,

1:09:43

millions and millions of people that are there, including

1:09:46

millions of men. In this scenario, they're

1:09:48

basically just putting all that aside and

1:09:51

engaging in whatever they would want. And

1:09:54

I think it's just going to be further evidence, you

1:09:56

know, against them and their lack of really

1:09:58

in their lack of willingness to fight

1:10:00

as a.

1:10:00

First world military.

1:10:01

There are no first world military on Earth that would

1:10:03

ever fight this way period.

1:10:04

I feel very comfortable.

1:10:05

Saying that many people are putting out that part

1:10:07

of what led the ICJ

1:10:10

to conclude that Sir Berncia was

1:10:12

a genocide was the all out

1:10:14

slaughter of men. Eight thousand men

1:10:17

who were murdered. They are very similar like

1:10:19

their men, So we're

1:10:22

going to kill them, and we're just going to assume their

1:10:24

military age. There was also a motive

1:10:26

of quote unquote revenge that was offered

1:10:28

as justification. There so a lot of historical

1:10:31

echoes. But you know, this is this is deeply

1:10:33

chilling. And the reason I say that the

1:10:35

media has been complicit in

1:10:37

allowing this framework is I mean both

1:10:40

in terms of they're just overall coverage,

1:10:42

but the way they have assumed

1:10:44

from the beginning that okay, any

1:10:47

casualties, any deaths outside

1:10:49

of the women and children, we're just going

1:10:52

to assume, according to the Israeli

1:10:54

government, that these are Hamas militants who are legitimate

1:10:56

targets by the allowance

1:10:59

of the really military to operate

1:11:02

in such a way.

1:11:02

I mean, this is this is.

1:11:03

Part of why the IDF murdered

1:11:05

their own hostages, both because

1:11:08

they were they were men and because

1:11:10

they were in this you know, kill zone

1:11:12

where they just assume anyone who's still there must

1:11:14

be a Hamas militant. And so this is the part

1:11:17

of the way that you've ended up with these

1:11:19

overwhelming civilian casualties So

1:11:21

in any case, RAFA is being used both

1:11:24

as a political tool for Phoebe

1:11:26

to hold on to power and say victory awaits if we

1:11:28

just go in and destroy RAFA. It's also being used

1:11:30

as a bargaining chip in terms of these ceasefire

1:11:34

negotiations. I wanted to just put

1:11:36

this up on the screen so people know

1:11:38

what's going on, just in terms of how Hamas

1:11:41

is positioning themselves. Is this another thing that you

1:11:43

know is unlikely to be covered by many

1:11:45

mainstream outlets. So you had a Hamas

1:11:48

official who was saying, actually that they would

1:11:50

lay down their arms, they would demilitarize

1:11:52

if you established a Palestin Union state along

1:11:55

the nineteen sixty seven borders. This isn't the first

1:11:57

time they're saying it. But you know, then

1:12:01

you can think that they're not serious. I think that's entirely

1:12:04

legitimate to be like, yeah, but you can't take their word

1:12:06

for it. But you do have Benjamin Natanya

1:12:08

who very clearly like, we will never allow Palisinian

1:12:10

state and I'm opposed to it with every five from my being.

1:12:12

And you do have the Hamas people saying, actually, we

1:12:14

will lay down our arms and accept to

1:12:17

state solution. Which is contrary to

1:12:19

their more genocidal rhetoric from the

1:12:21

past. So make of that what you will.

1:12:24

Let me put this next piece up on the screen, because

1:12:26

this is also incredibly important

1:12:28

and connects together potential

1:12:31

ceasefire RAFA and

1:12:33

ICC arrest warrants. Apparently,

1:12:35

the US and their allies are basically

1:12:38

threatening the ICC that

1:12:40

if they do issue arrest warrants

1:12:42

for the Israelis, then we're

1:12:45

gonna we're going to blow up the piece.

1:12:47

They're not going to be any kind of truths.

1:12:49

There's not gonna be any kind of even temporary

1:12:51

ceasefire. So this is you

1:12:53

know, what was described as a quiet diplomatic

1:12:56

effort, it's really just a threat. It's

1:12:58

like basically threatening, can tinue the slaughter

1:13:00

of Palestinians if they dare actually

1:13:03

issue arrest warrants for Netanyahu

1:13:06

and others and Sagar. There's

1:13:08

been obvious total hypocrisy

1:13:11

with regard to the ICC, you know, and they're issuing

1:13:13

arrest warrants for Russia that

1:13:15

we were, well, thank you for doing a great job.

1:13:17

This is incredibly important now when it's

1:13:20

our great friends the Israelis who

1:13:22

have listened. Just by the numbers, the slaughter

1:13:24

has been vastly greater from

1:13:26

the Israelis visavi the Palestinians in a much

1:13:28

shorter period of time. Now this is

1:13:30

illegitimate, and we have to take actions. And you've

1:13:33

got you've got members

1:13:35

who are threatening Members of Congress who were

1:13:37

threatening to pass legislation to target

1:13:40

the ICC and retaliation. You got

1:13:42

the Wall Street Journal editorial board

1:13:44

threatening some sort of you know, retaliation

1:13:46

against the ICC. So very different

1:13:49

response when it comes to Israel.

1:13:50

It didn't work out so well, did it. Whenever a year ago

1:13:52

it was genocide at Boucha, whenever, like fifty

1:13:55

people were killed. But now they're like, oh no, we

1:13:57

can't be used. It's just so ridiculous.

1:14:00

Shows you the US policy, by the

1:14:02

way, which I oppose these things in the first place. Let's

1:14:04

go and put this up there on the screen. This is

1:14:06

my personal favorite pet peeve, the

1:14:08

US military peer in Gaza. You guys, remember

1:14:10

it was supposed to have been built by now, it's supposed cost about

1:14:13

one hundred.

1:14:13

Fifty million dollars.

1:14:14

Well now it's actually scheduled

1:14:16

to be built late and

1:14:19

it will cost about three hundred and twenty

1:14:21

million dollars. Could have predicted three hundred and twenty

1:14:23

million dollars and pictures are now coming

1:14:25

out. You know, I would note Crystal that the Port

1:14:27

of Baltimore is not yet fully functional, but

1:14:29

apparently we have all the money in the world to build

1:14:32

a humanitarian aid peer which

1:14:34

is going to put American troops at risk

1:14:36

off the coast of Gaza. When the easiest

1:14:39

thing that you could do is to just be like, hey, is real,

1:14:41

this le's to my aid in there, you know, by road that

1:14:43

seems like a lot keeper and a lot easier for US.

1:14:45

Thousands miles and

1:14:47

miles of trucks right backed up

1:14:49

at these best worts, you don't need a They

1:14:51

did actually start construction on the pier, by the

1:14:53

way, We did see some movier started today.

1:14:55

Yeah.

1:14:55

Yeah, we're already like

1:14:57

basically the deadline for when they said the thing would be

1:15:00

complete. But yeah, the obvious answer

1:15:02

is let in the trucks

1:15:05

that are lined up at the border. You

1:15:07

can use a little bit of US pressure and leverage

1:15:09

to make that happen instead of this whole

1:15:12

peer debacle, which I

1:15:14

think it's worth once again mentioning that BB floated,

1:15:17

Hey, maybe we'll use this peer to help with our ethnic

1:15:19

cleansing program and help Palestinians,

1:15:22

help them voluntarily migrate out

1:15:24

of the territory that we utterly bombed,

1:15:26

ucimated, destroyed, and left unfit to have to

1:15:29

live in.

1:15:29

Just ridiculous, totally ridiculous.

1:15:31

Absolutely, this

1:15:34

is just some of the best TV that

1:15:37

you can watch. Professor John Meersheimer, who

1:15:39

have been trying to get on the show for quite a long

1:15:41

time.

1:15:41

So Professor, if you do hear this, we would love

1:15:43

to have you.

1:15:44

Personal hero and inspiration of mine,

1:15:46

joined Piers Morgan for an interview

1:15:49

and there was a clash of ideologies

1:15:52

like one that you've never seen here. You basically

1:15:54

seeo liberal neo

1:15:57

conservatism personified in Piers

1:15:59

Morgan is John Meerscheimer

1:16:01

with utter realism, and you tell

1:16:03

me which comports more with reality.

1:16:06

Let's take a lesson.

1:16:07

You want to remember that if you look at what's

1:16:09

happening in the conventional war, it looks like

1:16:11

Putin's going to win. Despite the

1:16:13

fact that we've now passed this large

1:16:15

scale arms package for Ukraine,

1:16:18

Putin is likely to win.

1:16:20

Why is that not a terrible thing

1:16:23

for America and the West.

1:16:27

Because you have to prioritize the threats

1:16:30

that you face in the world. And the fact of

1:16:32

the matter is that what happens in Ukraine

1:16:34

does not matter that much to the United

1:16:36

States. I know, for people like you, this is a

1:16:38

life and death matter. The thought of any

1:16:40

country on the planet that

1:16:43

the West defends losing

1:16:46

is a major defeat and

1:16:48

has catastrophic consequences. I mean, you

1:16:50

felt this way about US pulling out of Afghanistan,

1:16:53

but I think that places like

1:16:55

Thatistan, places like Ukraine,

1:16:58

don't matter that I didn't really

1:17:00

I felt with Afghanistan America should

1:17:02

have kept a small military presence

1:17:04

there to maintain some kind of

1:17:06

order.

1:17:07

And I think I was justified in saying

1:17:09

that given what's happened, since I thought throwing

1:17:12

the country back to the Taliban

1:17:14

was a catastrophic error of judgment, and it

1:17:16

wouldn't have happened in the way it's happened if

1:17:18

America kept a couple of thousand troops there,

1:17:21

as it does all around the world in endless

1:17:23

bass. So it seemed to me, having done many,

1:17:26

many years of hard work in Afghanistan

1:17:29

as a response to nine to eleven, to then simply

1:17:31

just overnight throw everybody

1:17:33

out and leave the country

1:17:35

to the Taliban, particularly for women's rights, never

1:17:37

mind, nothing else I thought was an abrogation

1:17:40

of America's duty and the UK.

1:17:44

Right. But this is your worldview, which is

1:17:46

the United States has a responsibility

1:17:49

to be everywhere and.

1:17:51

Everywhere, but it should certainly be

1:17:53

preserving freedom and democracy. Otherwise,

1:17:56

why self style yourself as leader

1:17:58

of the free world? A leader of the free

1:18:00

world, and America still has I think half

1:18:03

the world's military firepower,

1:18:05

I'm obviously one of the biggest economies. You

1:18:08

either are that entity

1:18:10

leader of the free world or you're not. And if you are,

1:18:13

then what comes with that is a responsibility

1:18:16

to protect freedom and democracy when it comes

1:18:18

under attack from tatalitarian regimes,

1:18:20

I would think.

1:18:24

I think if you look at the history of American foreign

1:18:26

policy, it's very hard to make the

1:18:28

case that our principal goal has

1:18:30

to bend to protect freedom

1:18:33

and democracy. The United States has a

1:18:35

rich history of overthrowing democracies

1:18:39

around the world, and we have a rich

1:18:41

history of siding with some of the world's

1:18:44

biggest dictators. So this idea

1:18:47

that we're out there protecting

1:18:49

freedom and democracy and it's our principal

1:18:51

goal, in my opinion, doesn't

1:18:54

mesh with reality.

1:18:56

Very diplomatically, I love him so

1:18:58

much.

1:18:58

He is such an old He's been on it

1:19:00

for years. You guys should read his books and his

1:19:03

interviews. He's an incredible person. But

1:19:05

what he does so effectively there is

1:19:07

watch it with peers on Afghanistan. Right, He's

1:19:09

like, you want to stay there forever? He's like, I don't. I didn't say

1:19:11

that. I just thought, which it's a couple of thousand troops

1:19:14

to protect women's rights forever, forever.

1:19:18

Right, So what's that?

1:19:19

And I just love He's like, well, the fact is that

1:19:21

what happened in Ukraine doesn't matter very

1:19:24

much to the United States. And

1:19:26

this is the thing that what John gets

1:19:28

at the most is that this can

1:19:31

sound cold blooded, but in practice

1:19:33

it's more moral because

1:19:35

when you don't cast yourself as

1:19:37

the freedom and democracy defender

1:19:40

and all of that, and you make choices that

1:19:42

are actually in your interest in the long

1:19:44

run, then you don't end up meddling

1:19:46

in other countries and creating a goddamn

1:19:48

mess that for the people that are actually

1:19:50

over there, or like this Israel, you know thing,

1:19:52

for example, would any of this even have happened

1:19:55

if America wasn't the total guaranteur of

1:19:57

Israel's security.

1:19:58

Never in a million years, not a chance,

1:20:00

because they would get checked by the Arab powers.

1:20:03

Now same in Ukraine and Russia.

1:20:05

Would we there really be this

1:20:07

invasion? I know, I already know comment brigade

1:20:10

is coming from me on this one, but I'll

1:20:12

argue till I'm bluwing the face. The NATO expansion

1:20:14

in the nineteen nineties was a horrific disaster

1:20:17

for the United States to croach and encroach

1:20:19

all the way up to all these Baltic states

1:20:21

which are utterly useless to American

1:20:24

security too. And then even just yesterday, Crystal,

1:20:26

the US Ambassador to NATO, said

1:20:28

Ukraine will be a part of NATO.

1:20:30

The US ambassador is out there.

1:20:32

But you know, even if you don't even if you don't

1:20:34

accept that, right, even if you

1:20:36

look at Putin's rider and you're like, listen, he's an imperialist.

1:20:38

He wants to conquer terry. Sorry, okay,

1:20:41

you.

1:20:41

Know, even if you think that without

1:20:43

our intervention, I think it's ninety

1:20:46

percent likely there would have been a deal at the beginning, because

1:20:48

the Ukrainians would have looked at this and like there's

1:20:50

like we have no chance here, we have to settle,

1:20:53

Like it's not ideal, but we have to settle and we're

1:20:55

gonna have to give some things up.

1:20:56

And it is what it is.

1:20:58

And you wouldn't have, you know,

1:21:00

again, a war and men of generation at least

1:21:03

of Ukrainian men who've been sent to the slaughter

1:21:05

and you know, horrors unfolding there and they

1:21:08

were dragged into it by us. So,

1:21:11

you know, we, you and I have a different view of the world.

1:21:13

I would like us to actually like stand

1:21:15

up for the values we pretend to, but

1:21:18

to actually look at American history and

1:21:20

think that we do. It's it's

1:21:22

precious right, It's precious to still

1:21:24

hold on to that view. We literally

1:21:26

fund we are seventy

1:21:28

three percent of the world's dictatorships,

1:21:31

and you're like freedom and democracy even in Afghanistan,

1:21:33

like the you know, the women's rights. I

1:21:36

support women's rights. Yeah, but then

1:21:39

we've got our buddies, Saudi Arabia not

1:21:41

exactly like feminist icons over

1:21:44

here, and we're happy to fund

1:21:46

them. We're talking about you know, Biden's

1:21:48

like obsessed with this pipe dream

1:21:50

of normalization, and we're going to provide

1:21:53

them with security guarantees in exchange

1:21:55

for them normalizing relations with Israel,

1:21:57

like get on of here with your idea

1:22:00

that we're protecting freedom

1:22:02

and democracy around the world. Okay, yeah,

1:22:04

I mean it's it's just utterly preposterous.

1:22:07

It's never been more preposterous than it

1:22:09

is right now when you see what

1:22:12

we're enabling and encouraging

1:22:14

and funding and supplying these railings to

1:22:16

do to the Palestinians in direct

1:22:18

contravention of the international law that

1:22:20

we pretended to support when it came to Russia.

1:22:22

That's part of what I'm saying. That's why I won't eve want to pretend

1:22:24

anymore. I'd be like America, this was good for America. You know what

1:22:27

we care about Saudi Arabian we deal with these barbarians

1:22:29

is because we want oil. That's it, period. That's

1:22:31

you know, let's be all, let's all be honest. Qatar,

1:22:33

same deal, natural gas. It's the second amount

1:22:36

of natural gas we're going to do trade with you, period.

1:22:38

And the story.

1:22:39

Let's just stop, because that's what opens

1:22:41

up the gateway to Oh now we've got to deploy

1:22:44

US military assets to dive

1:22:47

so that Talibans, that girls in Cobble

1:22:49

can go to school.

1:22:50

Ridiculous.

1:22:51

I mean, it's just this is exactly what drove

1:22:53

me crazy about the entire thing. When

1:22:55

you don't pretend, as I said, it leads

1:22:57

to better outcomes. I mean, as look at what

1:23:00

up in Afghanistan. Hour we propped people

1:23:02

up and then we fell down. We wasted a hundred

1:23:04

billion dollars people. If it worked

1:23:06

out for them, it's been a terrible outcome.

1:23:08

It would have been better if we left them to

1:23:10

sort it out for themselves.

1:23:12

And same with the Israelis.

1:23:13

If Israelis actually have to deal with this Jewish

1:23:16

homeland, you know, post nineteen seventy

1:23:18

eight, that they have to defend against the Arabs,

1:23:20

what do you think you're going to do? You're going to have diplomacy

1:23:22

with your neighbors. Now, everyone says that that's completely

1:23:25

impossible. People can deal with anything,

1:23:27

even when they hate each other. Yes, sometimes

1:23:29

it will lead to war, but the instinct

1:23:31

of survival whenever you have two relatively

1:23:34

equal, you know, military powers.

1:23:36

Look at the Egyptians in the Israelis, it's lasted

1:23:38

for decades. They're not stupid.

1:23:40

Yeah, they don't like each other necessarily, but they're like,

1:23:42

look, we don't want to kill each other anymore. It's all

1:23:44

good, shake hands and we'll just divide

1:23:46

this thing up. That's a model for how actual

1:23:48

balance works. So this is my case for Professor

1:23:51

Meerscheimer's view of the world. It's

1:23:53

considered a moral but I actually really

1:23:55

believe it leads to a more stable

1:23:58

international system. So anyway, I really

1:24:00

enjoy the interview. I encourage people

1:24:02

to go and to watch the whole thing.

1:24:04

Yeah. Absolutely, it's very revealing, an interesting.

1:24:06

Exchange, Crystal, what are you taking a look at?

1:24:08

Well?

1:24:08

Liberal Zionists appear to be going through some things

1:24:10

right now. They don't want to totally accept

1:24:13

bb Nannya who's framing of college kids

1:24:15

as literal Nazis, But they can't

1:24:17

just accept that perhaps these students

1:24:20

protesting the murder of Palestinian civilians

1:24:22

might have a little bit of a point. They're

1:24:24

also not ready to one hundred percent co signed

1:24:26

Jonathan Greenblatt of ADL's assertion

1:24:28

that student protesters are Iranian

1:24:31

proxies Akinda, Hezbla or Hamas.

1:24:33

But they would also like to try to undermine

1:24:35

the protesters in their own special way, because

1:24:38

to admit that these are genuine humanitarian

1:24:40

protesters would be to force a hard reckoning

1:24:43

for these individuals who see themselves as virtuous

1:24:45

and like to imagine that they would have stood alongside

1:24:48

past protest movements against past

1:24:50

injustices. But the current protests

1:24:52

can't really be against injustices, right.

1:24:55

Can't be that college kids are genuinely

1:24:57

horrified by kids being blown apart and

1:25:00

rushed under rubble. Must be something

1:25:02

else, right, But what could

1:25:04

that something else be. That's

1:25:06

where things get really interesting and the

1:25:08

mental gymnastics get really wild.

1:25:11

So let's start with this one. Professor Scott Galloway,

1:25:13

Don Lemon, and Bill Maher. They got together last weekend

1:25:16

to offer their insightful analysis of exactly

1:25:18

what's going on here now. For Lemon and

1:25:20

mar opposing genocide, it's just a fad

1:25:22

that all the kids, cool kids are into.

1:25:25

Galloway had a bit of a more unique take, though.

1:25:27

Take a listen.

1:25:28

Part of the problem is young people aren't having enough secks,

1:25:30

and so they go on the hunt for fake threats. And

1:25:33

the most popular threat throughout history.

1:25:35

Type into google anti Semitism and pick

1:25:37

your century and you're going to find it. A

1:25:41

Jewish girl onna way to get a manicure is not your

1:25:43

mortal lenoma.

1:25:44

Stop it for God's.

1:25:47

So there you go.

1:25:48

College kids they're just not having enough sex, so they

1:25:50

became rabid anti semites. In response,

1:25:53

do you people realize how insane you sound?

1:25:55

Yeah, I'm sure if they were just getting laid more often,

1:25:57

they stopped caring about babies who are starving

1:25:59

to death, that must be the real issue

1:26:01

here. Galloway, by the way, seems to apply

1:26:03

this sex analysis to all kinds of

1:26:06

things that young people are into. I remember distinctly

1:26:08

how he berated young men for bidding up game

1:26:10

stop rather than trying to get laid peers.

1:26:13

This is kind of a whole ideology for them, and is

1:26:15

deployed every time the youths do something that he

1:26:17

can't quite explain or wrap us head around.

1:26:19

Meanwhile, Sann's Freed Zakaria, he

1:26:21

had a somewhat jettler version of Galloway's

1:26:23

take, wrote an entire column for CNN

1:26:26

wrestling with why it is that college

1:26:28

campuses have become a center of protest that's

1:26:30

never happened before. For for Reid, it's

1:26:32

not because students are horrified by their

1:26:34

tax dollars being used to drop two thousand pound bombs

1:26:37

on refugee camps, or because of a

1:26:39

backlash to the authoritarian crackdown

1:26:41

on those protesting these atrocities. It's

1:26:44

really because these students are lonely,

1:26:47

and a piece titled why the Gods of War

1:26:49

has spun campuses into chaos, he

1:26:51

writes, it's difficult to know what

1:26:54

to make of the turmoil on college campuses

1:26:56

these days, the protests, polarization,

1:26:59

intimidation, and general bitterness. In

1:27:01

a revealing article in The Wall Street Journal, higher education

1:27:04

reporter Douglas Belkin sets these events against

1:27:06

a broader backdrop, the disappearance of a sense

1:27:08

of community. He points to research demonstrating

1:27:11

that college students today are lonelier, less resilient,

1:27:13

and more disengaged than their predecessors. The

1:27:15

university communities they populate are socially

1:27:17

fragmented, diminished, and less vibrant.

1:27:20

One wonders whether this loss of community has led

1:27:22

to more distrust, sharper disagreements,

1:27:24

and more anger. People are encountering one another

1:27:26

at these protests, often for the first time, often

1:27:29

as strangers. Zacario goes

1:27:31

on to talk about ras who are upset

1:27:33

students went to zoom into dorm

1:27:36

meetings rather than go to them in person, and

1:27:38

look, it's legitimate to talk about

1:27:40

the erosion of community in America. We've done it

1:27:42

too, in general and on campus specifically.

1:27:45

But I find it baffling how

1:27:47

difficult it is for so much of

1:27:49

the liberal elite class to just accept many

1:27:51

people are profoundly upset

1:27:54

by children being starved and killed en

1:27:56

Mass, I see this response actually all

1:27:58

the time. Are you so emotional?

1:28:01

Why do you care about this so much?

1:28:04

I don't know, Maybe because I've spent the last

1:28:06

seven months seeing kids being amputated

1:28:08

on without anesthetic, bodies buried

1:28:11

alive, still screaming, listening

1:28:13

to the panicked call from a little girl named

1:28:15

Hind who watched her family

1:28:18

murder and was then assassinated alongside her would

1:28:20

be rescuers. What kind of a sick

1:28:22

person we have to be to not be emotional

1:28:25

about these things? And yes, it should

1:28:27

be tense when you're interacting with those who

1:28:29

would seek to justify those sorts

1:28:31

of atrocities. To mister Zakaria,

1:28:34

these tense and emotional reactions, they're

1:28:36

actually a sign of mental health, not

1:28:38

dysfunction. They're a sign of humanity,

1:28:41

not disconnect and indifference. We're

1:28:44

not done yet. Nate Silver had a

1:28:46

phenomenal contribution to this weird inability

1:28:48

to understand that young people are horrified by

1:28:50

horrors. Since his brand is being the rational

1:28:53

data guy, he opined that these

1:28:55

other more impressionable human beings are

1:28:57

just responding to base tribal instincts.

1:29:00

Silver's contribution was sparked by the Musicans

1:29:02

of Substack writer Philip Lemoyne, who

1:29:04

wrote this on Twitter, quote, My basic

1:29:06

model of student protests is that in general, students

1:29:09

don't know shit about what they're testing

1:29:11

against. They do it because it's cool, makes

1:29:14

them feel like they're part of something important, and

1:29:16

they want to be with their friends. In the last

1:29:18

majority of cases, their beliefs on the topic are

1:29:20

very superficial. They just repeat slogans

1:29:22

they don't really understand. But that's not a problem

1:29:24

for them because it's primarily about signaling group

1:29:27

membership run loyalty to specific

1:29:29

ideas, to which Silver replied, this

1:29:31

is probably right. Most people don't form

1:29:34

political opinions through deep examination of the

1:29:36

issues or reasoning from first principles.

1:29:38

It's more like picking some particular fashion label

1:29:40

or way of dressing, especially for younger people

1:29:42

who face more peer pressure. First

1:29:45

of all, have any of you guys actually

1:29:47

talk to these young people, because if

1:29:49

you do you'll find many are

1:29:52

deeply informed. In fact, plenty

1:29:54

have a direct connection to the conflict

1:29:56

themselves. Perhaps you should speak as

1:29:58

Ryan and Emiley did to the women organizing at

1:30:00

the Colombia encampment, who is both well informed,

1:30:03

well adjusted, and quite insightful. Perhaps

1:30:05

you should speak as we did to Motas Salem,

1:30:07

who has been confronting members of Congress and Capital ill

1:30:10

is now involved with GWU's campus protests.

1:30:12

Motas has lost one hundred plus

1:30:14

family members in Gaza. I

1:30:17

would wager he knows a hell

1:30:19

of a lot more about it than Nate Silver

1:30:21

does.

1:30:22

Here's the other thing.

1:30:23

Though liberals love to use this, it's

1:30:25

complicated and you just don't understand as

1:30:27

a dodge on Israel and Palestine, but

1:30:29

it's actually not innocents.

1:30:31

They're being slaughtered.

1:30:31

You don't need a PhD in Middle Eastern studies to

1:30:33

be human being who thinks that's wrong, and it is, yes,

1:30:36

quite emotional about that. Posing

1:30:38

genocide is not some cool, fashionable trend that

1:30:40

kids are just jumping on to have fun and make friends.

1:30:43

Do you understand, Nate Silver, These young people

1:30:45

are taking tremendous risk, They're

1:30:47

facing tremendous consequences. Their

1:30:50

schools are putting snipers on the roof

1:30:52

and sicking cops on them. They're being pursued

1:30:54

by private investigators and they're being arrested.

1:30:57

Billionaires are dosing them and promising

1:30:59

to end in their careers before they even begin.

1:31:02

But you think they're just risking it all for an

1:31:04

in group fad cool thing to do. Is

1:31:07

your soul really so deadened? You can't

1:31:09

even conceive of idealistic

1:31:12

young people sincerely just opposing

1:31:14

a genocide, even if you don't think it's a genocide.

1:31:16

They do, and many scholars

1:31:18

and international bodies, by the way, agree with

1:31:20

them, But you can't fathom being

1:31:23

outraged by such a thing. That's us

1:31:25

far more about you than it says

1:31:28

about them. But I couldn't

1:31:30

end without. One of my favorite contributions to this

1:31:32

whole discourse came from this VC startup

1:31:34

investor lady, who professed that she was

1:31:36

deeply confused by all of this campus

1:31:38

activism. She wrote, can

1:31:40

I ask why do all these students

1:31:43

from top schools want to be activists

1:31:45

to begin with? Like you got

1:31:47

such high grades in SAT scores,

1:31:49

I'm surprised so many of you apparently want

1:31:51

to be MLK instead of lead

1:31:53

some industry. Now, books

1:31:56

could be written about the mindset and

1:31:58

ideology that would lead to such a question

1:32:00

and to such confusion. It's honestly

1:32:02

pitch perfect gen X liberalism, from

1:32:04

the fixation on the high grades and SATs

1:32:07

to the deep befuttlement at smart students

1:32:09

wanting to emulate NLK, literally

1:32:12

one of the most consequential men in all of

1:32:14

American history. It's feasd to on

1:32:16

mind that has fully embraced the notion that the

1:32:18

only achievements which are worthwhile it are be found

1:32:20

in the capitalist marketplace. Get your startup

1:32:22

funded, make enough money to become an angel

1:32:24

investor, wrap it all up in a female empowerment

1:32:27

narrative to put a nice, virtuous bow on all of

1:32:29

it. Do well by doing good, they

1:32:31

said, she can't conceive of organizing

1:32:33

a protest movement as legitimate achievement

1:32:36

unless it's part of an Ivy League college admissions

1:32:38

essay or a line in your bio for

1:32:40

Fordes thirty under thirty. By the

1:32:42

way, after being relentlessly dragged, she did

1:32:45

delete the tweet, But you know who's having

1:32:47

no trouble understanding appreciating the college

1:32:49

campus protest movement Palston means

1:32:51

in Gaza. In what is a truly beautiful

1:32:53

display. Falstonian children young

1:32:55

adults in RAFA held a rally to

1:32:58

show their appreciation for the American solid

1:33:00

Some even spray paint in their tents with messages

1:33:03

like the ones that you can see here. This says,

1:33:05

in part, thank you students and solidarity with

1:33:07

Gaza. Your message has reached us. Another

1:33:09

one directly said thank you Columbia.

1:33:12

Yeah, thank you Colombia. Thank

1:33:15

you for risking your career futures in

1:33:17

the hope that Palestinians might

1:33:19

have a.

1:33:20

Future at all. And soccer I

1:33:22

couldn't even put into this monologue all

1:33:24

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Very honored to be joined this morning by

1:33:35

Green Party presidential candidate and activist

1:33:38

doctor Jill Stein.

1:33:39

It is so great to have you.

1:33:40

Welcome, great to.

1:33:41

You, mass, So great to be yes, really great to

1:33:43

be with you. Ball, Thanks Crystal and Slider.

1:33:45

Yeah, of course. So I guess my

1:33:47

first question for you is just actually are you okay?

1:33:49

Because we watch it, we can put this up on the screen.

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