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Hi, I'm Ivelisse Page, and thanks

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for listening to the Believe Big Podcast,

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the show where we take a deep dive into your

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healing with health experts, integrative

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practitioners, biblical faith

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leaders, and cancer thrivers

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from around the globe. Welcome

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to today's episode on the Believe Big podcast.

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My name is Ivelisse Page and it's

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an honor to be with you today. Today,

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we have an extraordinary guest, Raj

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Jana. Raj is a former

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reservoir engineer, 40

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and under 40 entrepreneur,

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and a media host. His first company,

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Javapresse, a lifestyle brand in the coffee

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space, experienced, get this,

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over an 800 percent growth

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in the first few years and winning

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the Inc. 5000 award. Raj's

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work has been endorsed by Damon

1:08

John of the Shark Tank. I love the

1:10

Shark Tank, by the way, and featured in

1:13

Forbes, BuzzFeed, Huffington Post,

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Entrepreneur Magazine, and various

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other outlets. Seeking fulfillment

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Raj actually sold a major part of

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his company, JavaPresse in 2019

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to focus on his mental health and

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relationships. Frustrated with

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the inefficiency and ineffectiveness

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of existing mental health resources,

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Raj and his partners created Liber8,

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a human transformation company

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that helps people use precision

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emotional analytics to

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improve mental health outcomes. Liber8's

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emotional lab reports help everyone

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from cancer patients to people struggling

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with anxiety to gain a clear

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understanding of the psychological

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factors contributing to their stress

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while empowering them with tools

2:03

and community driven support to

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create measurable change. Raj

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currently splits his time between the US

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and Costa Rica and is an avid

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adventurer at heart. And he also

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owns his own podcast, Stay Grounded,

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exploring topics like healing and personal

2:19

development. Wow. Welcome

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Raj to the show.

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Thanks so much for having me. It's great to be here with

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you.

2:26

Well, I am so excited to talk to you today

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because I've actually done my

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Liber8 mapping with your group

2:33

and it was amazing. But

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before we get into your program,

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I would love for you to share with our listeners what

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your favorite health tip is.

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My favorite health tip is,

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I know this sounds kind of

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woo, but it's fine. Let's just go

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there.

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It's alright, it's yours.

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My my, favorite health tip is feeling

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your feelings.

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Okay.

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You know, most of us, we like

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to think of our bodies as like these catchers and

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vessels. And if we go through our

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lives, we get hit with stressor, after stressor,

3:05

after stressor, whether it's a life stress, whether it's

3:07

something we watch on the news. Whether it's

3:09

something a loved one said to us, like there's

3:11

all these stressors in our lives. And

3:14

if we don't actually take the time

3:16

to practice great emotional hygiene,

3:19

which is feeling our feelings and allowing

3:21

whatever's coming through to flow through,

3:24

it just builds. It builds,

3:26

and builds, and stores, and stores,

3:29

and it starts to store

3:31

in ways that then start creating

3:33

stress, and inflammation,

3:36

and toxins in the body, the same way that

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an environmental toxin might hurt you, shame

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is a toxin, anger is a toxin, these are all

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toxins, and so as they come

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through, I think the greatest health

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tip I can give, that I've used myself

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and recommend to everyone in our communities and

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my family, everybody, is just give it a good cry.

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If you're angry, scream it out. If

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you're frustrated, let it go

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because fighting

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it is only going to create more problems

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down the line.

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Yeah, that's not woo woo. I think that's really,

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that's a great tip. I had

4:10

another guest share with me one time and a

4:12

great analogy of exactly what you're saying

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is that when an emotion comes,

4:16

think about a wave from the ocean.

4:19

You see it coming and

4:21

you see it and it comes up and then you

4:23

just had to release it kind of like the wave goes

4:25

back into the ocean and it's not

4:27

ignoring it. You're feeling it

4:29

and then you're releasing it back. And

4:32

that way you're not carrying it like you're

4:34

saying and it causing more injury and

4:36

more harm.

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Yeah, and I think for me, you know, I

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always never liked to feel my feelings. I was

4:41

kind of taught to not. And I think my

4:45

relationship to my feelings was if I feel this feeling,

4:47

I'm going to be stuck in it. I'm gonna be stuck

4:49

in this forever. And then I'm going to have all these thoughts and then

4:51

all these feelings. And

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the practice for me has been, can I just allow

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the feeling to exist without needing to make it anything

4:58

more than it is? I just have a feeling,

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just let it go, feel it, whatever

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it is, create the space for it, hold space

5:05

for me, and allow that spaciousness,

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and then when it's gone, it's like after

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every hurricane, there's weeks of sunshine,

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it's very similar with our feelings,

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and I've been learning myself, this is

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sharing for everyone else, but also a reminder

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for me, just how important it is to just give

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the space to be graceful and

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kind when we have big feelings come up.

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Yes. Could you tell us more

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about your journey from being an entrepreneur

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in the coffee industry with JavaPresse

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to focusing on mental health and

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relationships with Liber8? What inspired

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that transition?

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Yeah, I'd sold a good chunk

5:41

of my last company and then I was kind of going on a path

5:43

of looking at my relationships.

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And I was in a nine year relationship at the time

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and I wasn't proposing

5:50

and I wasn't going deeper

5:52

in the relationship. I didn't have the tools and I didn't have, I

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didn't know how to really navigate what was happening.

5:56

And as I started going to therapy and

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as I started opening up myself, I

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started realizing just one,

6:03

I wasn't in the right relationship. I didn't know that at the time

6:06

though. And I was fighting, fighting, fighting,

6:08

fighting for it. But eventually when I mustered

6:10

the courage to break up,

6:12

um, it opened

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up all of my childhood

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traumas and wounding, and guilt

6:20

and shame and rejection. And you

6:22

named the flavor of like feeling,

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I was feeling, I was feeling it all. And I had no tools.

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That was my first big, real breakup as

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an adult. And as

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I left that, I started going down a path of looking

6:33

for different tools to just feel better. I was

6:35

going to a hypnotherapist at the time I was

6:37

going into flying south of the border

6:40

to look at different plant medicines.

6:42

And I was trying different tools

6:44

just to feel better. And

6:46

nothing seemed to stick. And

6:48

I just kept going to therapy session after therapy session,

6:50

and the therapist just told me to go back and reflect,

6:53

and then I'd come back, I'd reflect, and it was just like this,

6:55

I was playing ping pong with myself in a lot of ways.

6:58

And, and then on that path as well,

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I met a dear friend

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of mine, Tristan Roney, who ended

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up passing away from stage four cancer.

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And we were in like a

7:10

therapy group together and I just heard

7:13

his challenges with the same problem I was facing

7:15

where he, you know, he was going to

7:17

his doctors, his doctors didn't have time to

7:19

really focus on the emotional side

7:22

because they were just in there. He was a time clock,

7:24

get in, get out. And it's not the doctor's

7:26

fault. They just didn't, that's not what the doctor's designed

7:29

for, right? Like they're designed to, to

7:31

do a specific job. And then

7:33

it was in the height of COVID he didn't have,

7:36

and he couldn't get a therapist. It took him

7:38

six months. He was on a wait list. And

7:40

then when he finally did get his therapist, it took him

7:42

like eight sessions to start actually looking

7:44

at the root because of all the catch up that they had

7:46

to do. So there was just like a lack of. It's

7:49

like, we have labs and data for everything. Why don't

7:51

we have it for mental health? And then,

7:54

Tristan took it on himself to go out of pocket

7:56

and start going to breathwork studios and doing yoga

7:58

and trying to look for different answers.

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And he was just spending so much money

8:03

because he didn't have a data driven way to

8:05

navigate that whole world. And then

8:08

he passed and that's when, you know, I

8:11

just felt like this giant. It's like everything

8:13

in my life, like I was having the same problems. I

8:15

saw Tristan had these problems. And

8:17

then as I started looking around, there's just so

8:19

many people falling through the cracks, especially

8:22

during COVID at the time, this is 2021.

8:24

And, uh, and that's really then started

8:27

the seed of, okay, like this, like we need

8:29

to create something, a tool for

8:31

people who are maybe

8:33

stuck in the system. Like they're not getting

8:35

fully met with the system in

8:38

the way that they need to be met. Like, how can we empower

8:40

them to take their mental and emotional

8:42

well being into their own hands and

8:45

navigate this very confusing world of all

8:47

the different tools and all the different practices and all

8:49

the different ways that we can heal. How

8:52

what's best for me? And what's the path

8:54

that's right for me? And that's when Liber8 was born

8:56

and that's when our emotional lab reports came to be in and

8:58

we're here.

8:59

Yeah, so for those who aren't familiar

9:01

with precision medicine, I shared that in

9:04

the introduction. What exactly is precision

9:07

emotional healing? We talk about the

9:09

importance of not only our physical

9:12

health and our spiritual health, but our emotions are

9:14

tied into our overall

9:16

health and into our physical health. And I,

9:18

you know, realize that once again this past

9:21

summer when I was going through the

9:23

endometrial cancer, and how important

9:25

it is not to ignore and not to

9:28

keep pushing through. But explain

9:30

to our listeners what exactly

9:33

is precision emotional healing.

9:36

Yeah, so precision emotional healing

9:38

is a process of identifying

9:42

the root causes of what is actually

9:44

contributing to your present day stress

9:46

responses. It could be a fight or flight response.

9:49

It could be an overactive nervous

9:51

system. It could be a symptom,

9:53

whether it's an autoimmune flare up, in

9:55

some cases, a cancer diagnosis,

9:57

like there's so many, so many things

9:59

that are happening in the body. What

10:01

we do is we basically use

10:03

a framework to track

10:06

your emotions, your stressors, and

10:09

get to the root of what is

10:11

actually happening in your mind when you're experiencing

10:13

this. Because what we find

10:15

is that this trigger or this

10:18

argument you might have with your loved one about

10:20

not doing the dishes for the 15th time, it's

10:22

never really about the dishes. It's

10:25

never really about the dishes. And so

10:28

when conventional healing and conventional

10:31

emotional healing is focused on addressing the symptom.

10:33

Okay, there's this thing happening with your partner,

10:36

the spouse, they're not listening to you, you go

10:38

into talk therapy and they just talk it out, right? Precision

10:41

Emotional Healing does a deeper dive. It's like, okay.

10:43

What's the thing ,underneath the thing, underneath the thing

10:46

that's actually getting triggered? There's

10:48

this feeling that I don't matter.

10:50

There's this feeling that my

10:52

voice is just not important. There's

10:54

this feeling of not being able to trust

10:57

another human being. And there's all these feelings that are happening.

11:00

Well, one of the things that we've realized in our research,

11:02

and after taking thousands of individuals through our frameworks

11:04

and witnessing this work, is that these

11:07

responses that you're experiencing today are very rarely

11:09

responses that began today. Oftentimes,

11:13

these are echoes, if

11:15

you would, of previous

11:17

experiences in your life that have

11:19

been similar. If you weren't heard today

11:21

by your spouse, there's likely a memory at the age

11:23

of 26 where you didn't feel heard by

11:25

your professor or by your sister or

11:27

by something. And the body keeps

11:29

the score, right? So this is a lof of

11:31

Bessel Van Der Kolk's work, like The Body Keeps The Score.

11:34

And so what we're doing in Precision Emotional Healing

11:36

is tracking all of these memories

11:39

that are related to whatever stress response

11:41

you're experiencing today. And then

11:43

from there, pairing you up with precision

11:45

tools to address those

11:48

root experiences, those root

11:50

beliefs, and release the energy

11:52

that's happening at the root level, and

11:55

then watching the cascade

11:57

of impact that happens afterwards. So

12:00

precision emotional healing is about doing some of the

12:02

diagnostic work ahead of time, if

12:04

you would, for the emotional wellness piece.

12:07

Yes, I love that. And I had

12:09

a mapping session with one

12:11

of your individuals that work

12:13

for you all and it was amazing.

12:15

I was just fascinated

12:17

how she easily walked me through

12:20

that process of, let's take

12:22

a look back when you were 37

12:24

and share a memory at that time

12:27

that was difficult. And anyway, and

12:29

then what did you feel? And so she walked me

12:31

through my timeline starting today, all

12:33

the way to my earliest memory that I could remember.

12:36

And then after all that evaluation,

12:38

you sent a report. And then in

12:40

my app are tools

12:43

that I can now use to help when

12:45

things like that are quote unquote triggers, you

12:47

know, to be able to have these

12:49

tools to use to overcome them.

12:52

And one thing that I'd like to share to

12:54

the listeners that I really appreciate about what you

12:56

all do is that you all

12:58

are very cautious of

13:00

where people are coming from and

13:03

the things that they've carried, but also where

13:05

their faith is. And no

13:07

matter whether you're a Christian or come from

13:09

another faith, you have tools for myself,

13:12

that I may not use some of the other tools

13:14

that may be available to someone who

13:16

is not. And so I really appreciate

13:18

that you guys were sensitive to that and creating

13:20

the app so that this can be applicable

13:23

to the individual as an individual

13:25

and what helps them to heal.

13:27

Yeah, and you know, one of the big things

13:29

we've realized in our work is that when you

13:31

feel safe, your body heals. When

13:34

you feel understood, your body softens.

13:37

When you feel seen, your body

13:39

flourishes, right? And so a

13:41

lot of this work is different from just going

13:43

to get another diagnostic tool like your blood panels

13:45

or something like that. Like, yeah, you might get your

13:47

lab report back and feel seen. In this

13:49

world, like all of those little touch points matter

13:51

a lot. And so when you're going through

13:54

our programs or our processes or our emotional

13:56

lab reports, we're really doing the

13:58

necessary work on our part to understand

14:00

you. And from there recommend

14:02

tools that are most likely going to

14:04

be received by you because we can prescribe

14:07

whatever is the best in the world,

14:09

but if it doesn't resonate with

14:11

you, if it's not in alignment with your beliefs,

14:13

if it's not something that you already

14:15

have experience with in some way, shape or

14:17

form, like it's going to be an uphill battle. So

14:20

our intention is to empower you on

14:22

your journey. You're the one that's going to be

14:24

healing. We're not the healers, right?

14:26

Like, at the end of the day, your body is the one

14:28

that's doing the healing, and so empowering you

14:31

to remember that is a big part of the work we do.

14:33

Yes, so in your experience,

14:35

what are some common misconceptions

14:38

or misunderstandings about emotional well

14:40

being that you've come across and how

14:42

does Liber8 address these?

14:45

Yeah, so I think one

14:47

of the biggest ones is that, you know, if you fix

14:49

your mind, everything else is going to be better.

14:52

And so we call it mental health, right?

14:54

Like, it's mind health. I'd like

14:56

to shift that to nervous system health,

14:59

because mental health

15:01

doesn't really account for

15:03

the body and the emotions.

15:05

It doesn't really account for the impact

15:08

your relationships are having on

15:10

your, um, on your mental wellbeing.

15:12

So when we think of nervous system health, we

15:15

are looking at the holistic picture.

15:18

And, and that to me is the most empowering piece

15:20

because you might be going to therapy session,

15:22

after therapy session, after therapy session, not getting anywhere because

15:24

you're focusing on mental health when

15:26

what you really need to be focusing on is your emotional

15:29

health, is your spiritual health,

15:31

is your relational health. I mean, these are all

15:33

aspects that I think encompass

15:36

a more holistic way of looking at the problem. And

15:39

so I think that's one of the biggest challenges

15:41

that we see is kind of reframing from like, well,

15:43

but I go to a therapist. Yes,

15:45

you do. And that's incredible. It's

15:47

incredible foundational

15:50

work for you to understand yourself.

15:53

And to us, like

15:55

therapy, conventional talk therapy

15:57

only covers a certain bucket

15:59

of the experience because most

16:02

of our challenges are stored in the body and

16:04

restoring that connection to the body in a

16:06

safe and effective way is

16:08

the path to really liberating ourselves

16:10

from the hold that these

16:12

emotions and stressful states have on us.

16:15

Yes.

16:16

So I think that's probably the biggest one.

16:18

Yeah, I think that's great. So

16:20

I shared a little bit about it, but can you walk us

16:22

through the process of how someone starts their

16:24

journey with Liber8? You know, what can they expect

16:26

in terms of the assessments and insights and

16:29

personalized recommendations? We touched

16:31

on it, but I really wanted you to walk them

16:33

through what that looks like.

16:35

Yeah. So it doesn't matter if you're signing up for

16:37

our, you know, three month cancer resiliency

16:39

program, or if you're signing up just for an emotional lab report

16:42

on our site, they're all the same process. You

16:44

sign up and then from there you

16:46

get a link to download our app. And

16:48

inside the app, we're guiding you over a

16:51

10 day period to really start paying attention

16:53

to your emotional triggers. Now

16:55

what we consider a trigger is any moment

16:57

you experience a negative spiral of emotion

16:59

that you become aware of. So,

17:02

it could be, I get in an argument with my spouse,

17:04

I'm afraid of my labs coming in, I don't like what I

17:06

see, my doctor doesn't hear me. Whatever the trigger

17:08

is, it doesn't matter. We ask you

17:10

to log that and pay attention to it. We ask you about

17:13

10 different questions, you answer those in the app and

17:15

then you attend a 90 minute session. Inside

17:18

of the 90 minute session, we have an experienced

17:20

mapper who was someone on our team, take you

17:22

through a process we've developed called

17:24

Precision Emotional Mapping, which

17:27

is where we take these triggers you're experiencing

17:29

today, and we take you

17:31

back in time to uncover

17:33

other experiences that are similar to

17:35

these feelings or these stories

17:38

or these wounds that are getting activated

17:41

in the moment today. So we do that sort of,

17:43

it's kind of like our diagnostic effort.

17:46

From there, we then generate

17:48

an emotional lab report where we look

17:50

at your trends and your patterns. And

17:52

then we look for tools that have worked for individuals

17:55

like yourselves and based on your intake that

17:57

we were collecting a lot of information about, like how

17:59

you heal on a scale of, you

18:01

know, science to woo, where are you? We

18:03

have a lot of different questions around your beliefs

18:06

and what. And we do

18:08

our best to create a precision emotional

18:10

healing plan that is tailored to

18:12

your unique challenges,

18:14

to your unique way of

18:16

healing. If you like meditations, we prioritize

18:18

those. If you're interested in trying more outside

18:21

the box kind of practices, we'll recommend

18:23

some of those. We give you books, podcasts.

18:26

And then from there you get access to

18:28

our free community of

18:31

other patients and patient advocates

18:33

and other individuals who are on their health journeys.

18:36

And you get access to a lot of

18:38

curriculums on mental

18:40

well being, emotional well being, relational well

18:42

being, and access to tools.

18:45

And we have, we create a lot of resources. If

18:47

you're in any of our programs, then you'll join a cohort

18:50

and you'll get to do this alongside other people that

18:52

are just like you. And so that's basically the, the

18:54

way that we, we've designed them.

18:56

Yes, and how is that different than the three

18:58

month cancer program that

19:01

you have?

19:02

Yeah. So the one off emotional lab

19:04

reports are where you push the lab report, you go to that same

19:06

process I just gave you, and then you get an

19:08

emotional lab report. And that has

19:11

tools for you to do on your own. You join

19:13

the community. There's so

19:15

many resources that you could do at your own pace,

19:18

from the comfort of your chair, and you'll be well

19:20

taken care of. The cohorts are

19:22

more focused on us taking these

19:25

mapping sessions and the data uncovered

19:27

and doing live workshops with

19:30

experts to begin actually

19:33

healing and not healing, but really shifting

19:35

the way that you see some of the

19:38

memories from your past, shifting the beliefs

19:40

that you may have about yourself or your health

19:42

or your wellbeing and really

19:44

focused on in three months, getting

19:46

to a place of having

19:49

the most empowered mindset that you

19:51

can have. Having a toolkit for navigating

19:53

challenging emotions as they show up on your

19:55

journey. Specifically we really

19:57

bring in a lot of education around addressing

20:01

the emotional roots of cancer.

20:03

Like we do a lot of cancer specific programming,

20:05

and really bringing in resources and experts

20:08

to help cancer patients specifically

20:11

navigate the emotional terrain or the

20:13

emotional aspect of the

20:15

disease itself. And so this could be

20:18

fight or flight responses, like you go into a

20:20

lot, you get your labs back and you're freaking out. What do you do?

20:22

Here's a toolkit for that. We have so many little

20:25

toolkits for specific

20:27

experiences that cancer patients go through

20:29

and you're in a community with other patients

20:31

and, um, So that's a big part

20:33

of it. And then throughout the three months, we're

20:35

doing multiple mapping sessions. So

20:37

we're actually tracking your progress and making changes

20:39

to your plan and your recommendations based on

20:42

what we find and what we see and where you're stuck.

20:45

And so it's more of a handheld experience. So at

20:47

the end of it, we really are your co pilots

20:49

on this journey, as opposed to the emotional

20:52

lab report, which might be like, we're still

20:54

going to be cheering you on. You still get the mapping session,

20:56

you still get everything, but after you get your

20:58

report, there's not a deeper hand

21:00

holding like we would do inside

21:02

of a three month program.

21:03

Yes, it's just the tools that, you

21:05

know, that you can use and that are available to you, which

21:08

are great too. And so what have you found

21:10

as far as like, have you heard

21:12

people talk about, you know, I

21:14

know the emotional health is a lifelong thing,

21:16

but to change old thought

21:19

patterns of how you feel about

21:21

things, like people will say, well stress

21:23

is a big indicator and it increases

21:25

your insulin. So, you need to stress less. Okay,

21:27

yes, we all have stress, someone's saying stress

21:30

less, but how does that actually

21:32

be incorporated into lives to make a

21:34

life change and how long

21:36

does that typically take in your experience

21:38

with what you've seen?

21:40

Yeah, so one of the first tools

21:42

that we recommend to anybody who

21:44

gets an emotional lab report is

21:46

a daily practice. Now a daily

21:48

practice can be a few things, right? So we

21:50

have daily practice. Oh, I'm gonna go for a walk every day.

21:52

Sure, that's gonna be helpful. You might, if

21:54

you just take a walk every day in nature, yes, over

21:57

time you will feel better if you already

21:59

haven't been doing that, right? But we

22:01

are big believers in doing

22:03

a daily practice of nervous system

22:06

regulation or nervous system

22:08

rewiring in some ways, and there's a lot of

22:10

tools that we recommend based

22:12

on your unique psychology

22:14

and your unique preference to like what that

22:16

tool might be so like. For some, it might be

22:18

breathwork, a daily breathwork

22:21

practice. If you start with a daily breathwork practice

22:23

where you are moving energy in your system,

22:26

I mean, in a matter of

22:28

a week, I've seen people have

22:30

significant changes, but if you do it once

22:32

in a while, it's more momentary.

22:36

This is why we like to call them daily practices,

22:38

right? So whatever your daily practices,

22:40

it could be hypnosis, self

22:43

hypnosis. It could be meditation. It could be

22:45

a daily gratitude practice where you have

22:47

a journal out. That's my favorite practice

22:49

that I do for myself, like I can already, I

22:52

can actually feel myself

22:54

go off path when I skip my gratitude

22:56

practice, when I skip my morning prayer, because

22:59

that for me is, is the most important

23:01

thing that I could be doing for my mental and emotional

23:03

well being. And so for each person,

23:05

it's different. For myself, I know that

23:08

doing it several days in a row, I

23:11

start to feel, I start to feel slightly different.

23:13

Now, physiological changes, I

23:15

can say like, the individuals that have gone through our three month programs

23:18

in three months, they are like

23:20

in a whole new world. So three months

23:22

is a long time of committing to a daily practice.

23:24

And in the grand scheme of life, it's really not that

23:26

long.

23:27

No.

23:28

So, yeah, a lot of power in a daily practice.

23:30

Okay, so you mentioned that there

23:33

are over 4, 000 studies that show the

23:35

connection between reducing emotional

23:37

stress and lifelong health. Could

23:39

you share some of those findings or examples

23:41

from these studies that highlight this relationship?

23:44

Yeah. So one of the, I

23:47

don't even remember where we got that. That was probably my

23:49

team. if I'm being honest, yeah, I'm

23:51

not the research guy, I'm more of the the front end

23:53

guy, but, there's so many research

23:55

studies on, actually, there's just one that was

23:58

talked about on Andrew Heberman actually around

24:00

the science of a journaling practice. I think

24:02

it was like, like Jeffrey Pembach or something

24:04

like that of University of Texas at Austin, where he

24:07

did a study on a 15

24:09

minute journaling practice where all they did,

24:11

the only thing they did was

24:14

talk about their big emotions,

24:16

or like a stressful life event, and

24:18

every day for 15 minutes, they just

24:21

talked, wrote about the event consistently.

24:24

And several weeks later,

24:26

they came back and they measured somebody's

24:29

levels of depression, anxiety,

24:31

and they were far below. And then

24:33

when you look at that with the physical, I mean that,

24:35

that's one study of just emotional healing

24:37

in general as like a tool for reducing,

24:40

um, anxiety and depression. But

24:43

there have been, you know, if we look at

24:45

Ayurveda, if we look at ancient

24:47

systems, like there have been so many,

24:49

I'm trying to think if I have any like real

24:51

for specifically for cancer or we want to go like

24:54

any any disease states.

24:55

Any disease state, and you know what, I didn't mean

24:57

to put you on the spot, so like what you can do is

25:00

have your team send that to us and we can put

25:02

the link to those studies because we have some

25:04

individuals that love to see the science and

25:06

the

25:06

We have so many I can actually go to my I've so

25:09

many on my website. I got something like I can go and pull

25:11

them

25:11

Yeah.

25:12

Yeah, I'll do that.

25:13

Do that and we can add it in the show notes. I'm

25:15

going to also add in the show notes, your three month

25:17

cancer program. We'll put a link

25:19

to that as well, because I think that that's so valuable

25:22

and important. I know our time is

25:24

almost up, but I wanted to ask you, could

25:26

you walk us through the three phased

25:28

approach to emotional resilience that

25:30

you employ at Liber8, which is

25:32

the awareness, the healing, and the integration?

25:35

Yeah. Our approach is basically like

25:37

a, it's an amalgamation of

25:39

several different psychological theories

25:42

put into one framework for

25:44

going from unaware to acceptance.

25:48

And when we think of unaware to acceptance,

25:50

that is the journey of healing, right?

25:52

So, cause when you get to greater levels of acceptance

25:55

around your past, around yourself, around

25:57

your circumstances in life, that's

25:59

when we really start to see the

26:02

entire system sort of come

26:04

back into alignment from like

26:06

an emotional, mental, and spiritual angle. So

26:08

awareness begins with our logging

26:11

and our mapping. So that's where we

26:13

start to track up to 500

26:15

mental, emotional and behavioral health data points

26:17

through our app and our mapping process. And

26:20

that's the work that we're doing to really get clear

26:22

on, okay, like when you experience stress, what

26:24

is happening? From there we

26:26

then go into generating a

26:29

healing plan. This is where the three month healing

26:31

plan happens. And we're looking

26:33

at all elements of the mind, the

26:36

body, and the heart, which

26:38

are the three kind of components that we see

26:41

make up this holistic

26:43

nervous system health approach, as

26:46

opposed to just mental health. And so

26:48

when we look at your beliefs, we look at

26:50

your relationships, we look at your memories,

26:52

we look at your emotions,

26:55

where your emotions are being experienced

26:57

in your body, do you have physical pain, do

26:59

you have symptoms? Your plan

27:01

is designed to help address all

27:03

of that. And then integration

27:06

is sort of that third piece of, okay, like once

27:08

you actually use the tools, how do you

27:10

continue keeping

27:12

and replacing the habits that you have

27:15

the negative habits that got you to this

27:17

point? How do you actually stick the landing? Because

27:20

one of the things that we like to say is, state

27:22

change, this moment of happiness

27:24

that you have after a meditation does not mean trait

27:26

change. And so

27:28

integration is a lot about, okay, like you have

27:31

these big experiences, you have these tools, but how

27:33

are you bringing this home into your life? How

27:35

are you setting better boundaries if your relationships

27:38

are the source of all your stress? What

27:40

promises are you making to yourself and

27:42

how are you keeping those promises? What kind of accountability

27:45

groups do you have around you to support you

27:47

as you continue making all this change? Um,

27:50

and that's really a lot of the work that, that's our

27:52

approach. So when we think about it, we start

27:54

with the awareness, we develop a plan, and then we

27:56

support you in integrating

27:58

the insights that you get from these healing tools,

28:01

these books, these podcasts, these resources

28:03

into your life and keeping

28:06

those as your new frame.

28:07

I love it. What would you say to someone today

28:09

who's listening and doesn't

28:11

know whether or not they need

28:13

this emotional side of healing or

28:16

they're struggling with some illness

28:18

like many of our listeners are with cancer?

28:20

What would you say to them today?

28:22

One, be kind to yourself. I think

28:24

cancer in particular is just, it's, there's a lot.

28:27

You're inundated with so much and whether

28:30

you're interested in emotional healing because

28:32

for whatever reason, you know, you're feeling overwhelmed

28:36

and I just want to let you know that you're

28:38

loved. I know it's hard and

28:41

there's a lot of big emotions and sometimes you

28:43

can feel very lonely and not

28:45

like you've got support systems around you and

28:47

just want to give you a big hug. Let you know that we

28:49

see you. We get it. And,

28:51

yeah, I don't think

28:53

it's, it's, it's a really hard,

28:56

especially on the families. It's really hard. And

28:58

I just want you to know how much we see you.

29:01

I love it. Raj, you know, is there

29:03

anything that I didn't ask you about emotional

29:05

healing, that you would like to add before

29:07

we close today?

29:09

I will when I can't wait to send you more studies that

29:11

you can link into the show notes. Cause I feel like I completely

29:14

fumbled there. Um,

29:15

not at all. Yes.

29:24

I, I think, what I just want to empower

29:27

for individuals is you have more power

29:29

than you think you do. Emotional

29:32

healing is one of those, like, it's like the big

29:34

swing because your nervous

29:36

system is connected to everything.

29:39

It's like it's connected to your immune system. It's

29:41

connected to your digestion, like

29:43

everything. And so by having

29:45

the courage, the excitement, the enthusiasm,

29:47

the curiosity to lean in here, we've

29:50

seen just incredible changes

29:52

and a lot of our community members, just

29:55

from practicing self love every day. From

29:58

forgiving themselves or others,

30:00

or letting go of anger and and

30:03

processing resentment and setting

30:05

better boundaries. I mean these aren't prescriptions

30:08

that doctors provide, and

30:10

what we've seen over time is learning these skill

30:12

sets can have such a big impact

30:15

on your well being and

30:17

your inner peace. And I think beyond

30:20

just that, like your inner peace being worth something,

30:22

I do see at least the

30:24

trickle down impact on health and

30:26

health improvements for individuals that, that

30:30

really integrate this body of work into their lives.

30:32

So, yeah, I'm just a big believer. This

30:35

is why I've dedicated my life to this

30:37

work and our team. Everybody is

30:39

so passionate about this because we've

30:42

just seen the change that's come in our own lives as

30:44

a result of leaning in and it

30:47

doesn't need to be scary. It really doesn't.

30:49

I know our emotions can be pretty overwhelming

30:52

and I know that some of us have trauma

30:54

and there's like a lot of things underneath the hood that I think

30:57

we may rather just keep there. Um,

31:00

and I just want to really speak to it doesn't

31:02

have to be scary. It doesn't have

31:04

to be that it can be a loving experience

31:07

when you're doing this type of work with others

31:09

that see you and get you and cheer you on.

31:12

So, yeah.

31:14

Well, thank you, Raj, so much for joining

31:16

us today. It was super insightful,

31:18

and I know that our listeners are

31:21

going to really appreciate

31:23

having your tools available to them,

31:25

especially while undergoing something

31:27

difficult like cancer. So thank you for your

31:29

time.

31:30

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