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Benet. Welcome
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to Abidjan! We are hours away from
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the Africa Cup of Nations Final. Often
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what has been a wonderful tournament. On
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what a special final we have a
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prospect, Ivory Coast, the House against Nigeria
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and are Africa Cup of Nations starts
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a long time ago. Didn't that with
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a preview program one of the guests
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on that day was supposed to invest
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on former Cameroon former Tottenham in Newcastle.
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Defender is packed with us. How to
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be you said? yeah? Yeah, I get
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it as we review the fine I.
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Obviously great great a be tired
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them grade he knows been an
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amazing to the moon is hold
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out there are like the know
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better than you. Know
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that? I guess they have so I think
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it took it so I'm feeling good. If
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we will troll account how many games you've
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done because you be compensated for a Tv
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station the broadcasts across Africa, you must have
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done close to thirty games live. Yeah, I've
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done quite a lot and to be fair,
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I wasn't expecting to do that much. But.
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Apparently he's been alright. So yeah, I'm I'm
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performing a high performance. You give me an
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objective target and I get it done. Your
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nearly there. You're nearly that. So you're You're
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the best person to ask. Is this the
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best possible phone? Or maybe not the best
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two teams on paper? I don't actually think.
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It's. The best two squads as poorly Senegal,
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America but. For. The Neutral: The best
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possible Final: The hosts against another that
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the Giants. Yeah, it's it's it's. a
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great Feyenoord. In terms of you know,
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Following the host nation when you had to
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host nation, being in a final you can
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only be a good final. Good atmosphere is
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going to be amazed. The electric think
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when team get to the final
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risk regardless of what's you seen,
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what we think he means Deserve
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a day for a reason. The.
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Had two different journeys but here
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they are so they better. Make.
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The most of it. Yeah, Yeah, the Ivory
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Coast journey has been. it's been a
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rollercoaster. Isn't that funny? Going out in
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the group stage last sixteen hour minutes
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away from going out of school nights.
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equalizer be Senegal on penalties. It's my
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second some going out the school like
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equalizer. Went on to win with with
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ten men but again still Congo they
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played really well. Suddenly.
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Are they looking at the same? We expect them to be
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at the start of the tournament now that Sebastian I'll as
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up front. And simon, it's Indra
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starting as well that the Bryson winner. Up
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I will. They were both injured when they before that
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sort of. they were both injured bar. For
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me that displays. Displayed.
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Against Ya Congo them better game
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the base game but there weren't.
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As. Good as we can expect them
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to be. See thing they could get
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even better for me that he had
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his room. A massive room for improvement
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is it? But are they going to
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read our high? I don't think so
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because duet have been playing for it's
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the whole tournament think he's been to
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where they were playing. Deduce that is
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managed to go fruits and don't know
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forget that guessing they're that was that's
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an i'm an exam of a know
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them situation to turn around the been
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dead and buried for free days and
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then they came. Back to life you
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do. The fact that neither twenty
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four teams, the fact that there's
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twenty four teams saved him. but
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I think it is what it
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is right now. Seminar.
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General coming back to his forms of
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us. Another thing is getting there as
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well by the focal point focus point
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of from. They. Gave that
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I gave them a leader. different options,
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different options to go by. The final
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think it's it's a good team, they
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good but it's not technically are technically
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that they can. It. The difference for
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me regardless. would you put on a team
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shit it? Atmosphere is the mindset that apps
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that they have been dead and buried so
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they can't do not care of anybody or
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anything. Less. Get more
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on know Simon think we're now is
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what are your friends said? I've been
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catching up with it ways that Johanns
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your own from Arsenal defender in Switzerland
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defend up but he has Ivorian roots.
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he was born here in Abidjan so
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he's going to be at the final
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watching as a fun and he used
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to play with Simon it indra at
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a club in Norway and it's become
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an almost mental a tight say go
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for him. Over the last years of
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a like the speak regulate and Johanns
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been telling me about how how. Far
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Simon can go in his career and also
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how proud he is to say Ivory Coast
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in the fine the roots never actually go
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to stay forever and the yet to be
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as a fireman to see the other guys
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doing it for it's amazing and you know
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have a special connection with the one that's
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and grow that are played. We've been mean
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if singleton and and them for the to
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story when I was they had his hand
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broken and he was so devastated you know
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we just i blame for the first I
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remember speaking through an it in a young
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guy you two thousand. As you gonna gonna
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be a big be stuck on? I just want
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for them. For. Him. For. This
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country. Them. For when the could. See.
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No same at some anything or really. well I'm in in and
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he's. A nice is a real
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star. The same how good is a what's Your
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Personality As a. Similar is the.
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You know what is a typical young guy that wants
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to learn? For. Him was never a question
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of how you know if he was was gonna
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make it. he was. As a given the. The.
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Platform to do. It is hard to put
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limits on whether can do but for me
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is one of those that can I is
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it. He played in the next two years
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for For City are often one all of
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the son of To Because the Seventh and
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on the As. What a great great facility
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The guy works he was to be better
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every day. That is evident to of Guys.
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Sewn. On a great grid person. Could.
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He be the star in the final. I
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hope so, but the thing is, we should not
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forget that he arrived injured, for where
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he's coming from, with that injury, he had
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a fine injury, it's already a good, good
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thing that he's doing. Can
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he be the sign of final if his fitness allows
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him to be? I'm sure he will be. And
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finally, your WhatsApp in my guess, before the final,
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what are you going to say to Simon Adinga
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before the final? Just good
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luck, just good luck. I have nothing
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more to say. The guy knows
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the things about his business, I would just
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wish him good luck. I have his shirt, he
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gave me his shirt yesterday, so I'll make sure
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I wear that, but no, no, just for him
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to win and imagine. That's his first ever African
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nation, and for him to win it would be
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one for the A-srebooks. That is
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Johan Giroud talking about Simon Adinga, the
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young Ivory Coast star, he used to
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play with Johan at a club in
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Norway. Let's move it on, Sebastiobasson,
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to talk about Nigeria.
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From a defensive perspective, you must have
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been really impressed, that back three of
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Trues-Decong, Semir-Jai, Calvin Bassi, only
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considered two goals and only one
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from open play, that is impressive
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in a tournament, isn't it? You
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always tell me, defenses win tournaments.
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Yeah, attacking attackers and attacks win
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games and defend win tournaments. And
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that Nigerian defense has been solid,
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has been honestly performing ever so well,
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but I'm not even surprised, those three
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players play in the UK, they play
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in the UK, so they know how
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to form a really tight defense, but
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I think they're starting on the front foot. When
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you have the momentum, when you feel each
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other, you have that kind of bond with
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one another, with a captain
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like Trues-Decong, which is a leader,
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which is a very calm personality,
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very reliable, and Calvin Bassi, which
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is for me the defender of
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the tournament with the Chancellor Bemba,
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he's having such a
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great tournament, and the
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defense of the three players, they give them...
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you know, freedom to go higher
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the pitch. I mean, it's just, it just
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clicked. So I've been really
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impressed. And I think that's, that's their strength
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people. And you might even be willing to
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talk about Victor Rosimene, which is, which
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is normal, but that defense for me
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is just what they're, what allowed them
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to be in the final. You've
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been a bit upset because my predictions have actually been
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better than yours at this tournament, but- No,
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no, no, no, it hasn't. No, it hasn't.
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Your dark horse is out the same way my
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dark horse is out. It's the
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outcome that matters. Yours was knocked out
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before. But I
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also did say that I didn't rate the Nigeria
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coach and he's completely proved me wrong. So that's
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a prediction I got horrendously wrong. How much credit
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should we give Jose Piscero for
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his organization of this defense? Or is it more down
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to the actual defenders in the team? The
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funny thing in football is Jose Piscero was
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getting so much stick before the competition.
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From me. From you and from a
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lot of people because
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people were, I don't know, looking
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closely to the qualification, the way they
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go through, but it's two
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different competition. What was
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required to go through is
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not what they have been using now because
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it's just the momentum. So
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Jose Piscero at the same level
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that the player deserve credit because
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we were doubting the maybe their
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defense. We were talking about the
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attacking force, which has been prolific.
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But I think the coach has
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to get some credit because he's too
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strong and he kept his ideas, he
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kept his mindset really focused. So now
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he's only getting where he deserves. But
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if you don't get the silverware, if
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you don't get the final, I think it's gonna be a little bit
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sour at the end. Yeah, it's all
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about winning the trophy. Let's get more
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on Nigeria. I've been speaking to a
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Nigerian broadcaster, Oluwatoi and Ibatoya, who used
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to work in the backroom staff with
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the Nigerian team as the media officer
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for five years. So he knows these
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players really well. He knows the inner
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workings. of the team. So he's been
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giving me an insight into what
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it's like behind the scenes in
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that Super Eagle squad. For this
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Afghan, they've evolved. Remember,
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we have had very poor start to
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the World Cup qualifiers at home, for
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Lesotho, one-one, we came from behind.
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We, I think, to Zimbabwe, in
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Rwanda, that was where the game was played, came
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from behind, played a one-out draw. And
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when you look at those games, you see
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a team of talented players who
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are looking for direction, who are
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looking for leadership, who are looking
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for someone to hold them together
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and push them along a particular
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path. And we've seen that
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here. Econ wasn't part of
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those two games. Kenneth
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wasn't part of those two games. Moosa was
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also not part of those two games. So they are here.
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And the first thing they did when
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they got to come for the Afghan was to
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hold the meeting together, all the players, and
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to tell themselves, we have
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to fight. We have
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to give something extra than
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what we've been giving. And
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on the pitch, there's someone to lead them
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in that particular direction. And
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off the pitch, in the team, sets up,
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there's also somebody to speak to them along
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that particular direction. So I think that is what has been
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the difference between what we've seen
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before now and what we've seen at the Afghan.
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You see, all of those players are beginning
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to show what
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we call Nigerian spirit. You see Basi,
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difficult to beat in one-on-one situations. He
11:35
doesn't give up. He fights. He runs
11:37
for the supporters. He charges them up.
11:40
He's fired up. You see Sami Aja'i,
11:42
the same thing at the back, one-on-one
11:44
situations. He doesn't give up.
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He doesn't allow you. He pushes and charges
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and he wins those balls. Then you see
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Ola, I know, on the right side, as
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comfortable as he is on the left side.
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Then you see everybody is pushing. You see
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Uyeka. I mean, we have seen
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Uyeka. We are in a different light now,
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from what we've used to see before.
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He fights, he gives 100
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per cent, Alexi will be everybody
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fighting, look man, Simon. So
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it's now become like a team of fighters,
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a team that is pushing
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together, pulling together, working
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together and trying to achieve a common
12:23
goal. So that's the difference we've seen
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with this art squad. Really
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interesting. Finally, take us onto the bus and in
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the dressing room before the game. Is there singing
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in the bus? Yeah, there's still singing,
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there's still a lot of singing. It's the Nigerian
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thing. You charge
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up your spirit. I mean
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that's what it does. You charge up your spirit, you
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sing, you fire yourself up. And
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those songs are spiritual songs. They are very
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spiritual. They call you for God to help
12:50
you, you are charging yourself, you are telling
12:52
yourself guys, we are going out there on
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the beach to get something
12:56
done. We won't leave until we get
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it done. You know, those kinds of songs and
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then you sing, you charge yourself and then you
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get onto the beach and the only thing on your mind
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is let's get this
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off the ground, referee, let's
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kick off this game, let's get the
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result and let's stamp our authority and
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leave. That's the mentality. You're good at doing
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the job. Oliver Toyin, Iba Toye,
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they're giving us a great insight into the
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inner workings of the Super Eagles team. So
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Seb, how do you think this final is going
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to go? Are we going to have a late
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night? Is it going to go all the way
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to extra time penalties? Unfortunately for us, I reckon
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we're going to have a very, very late night.
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But, you know, a final, I
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think people are going to be really looking
13:42
at each other to start with because
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you can't make no mistakes and the team that's
13:46
going to do the least mistake is going to
13:48
have the better chance to win. On
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the final day, you can't really think
13:54
about tactics, but it's all
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about the desire, it's all about the
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endurance of the mental strength. endurance,
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how long can you maintain that
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focus, how long can you be
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switched on and I
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think Africa has got an advantage because of
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the crowd, the situation and as I said
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earlier what they've been through. When
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you think about it they have been
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through every possible situation so
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they can't, there's nothing that I haven't
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faced and they are home so
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they must be thinking this is our competition no
14:26
matter what because we've been dead and then we're
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there so what can we
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be scared about but on the other
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side Nigeria has been solid
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you know I think they have certainty, conviction
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about the way they play, what they can
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do, it's going to be interesting tactically to
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see who's going to break down first. So
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Vasil Vasong always great to have your company
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