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listening to the Witness History podcast
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from the BBC World Service with
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me, Vicky Farncombe. I'm
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taking you back nearly 40 years to
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when the British band, WAM, became
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the first Western pop act to
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perform in China. It's
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April 1985 and WAM are
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on stage at the People's
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Gymnasium in Beijing in China.
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Lead Singer George Michael is centre stage
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in a black suit with a royal
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blue cummer band. Behind
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him is Andrew the Snake swimming
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his guitar and wearing a red
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taught in suit. But. Something's
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not right. George. She was never
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nervous, ever ever had he went on stage.
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they got stage fright. the ban says he
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and seventy of his mouth to sing the
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first line and nothing came out to. Simon
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know p a bow Lambs manager
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is what's in nervously from the
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Vip bucks. Answer: he darts or episodes
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again clapping and tried again. it still didn't
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come out another third time around to sign
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up for it to Madison from. Sign
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the Ems are looking for the voice calls.
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The know, understandable, Of.
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This is an audience that Murtha.
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Mom as a source to
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Boston Pops also supplied Communist
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China. They. Didn't know what you
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have to do that when George kept
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on the offbeat to try to get
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into clap Along that's what he wanted.
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applause so they don't very polite except
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for that saw seconds so. How. Did
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seen some space thing as some London.
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Know that exuberant and two
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teams on skimpy lot so
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it's under performing and with
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the wells, most sixes and
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secretive countries. Just. Soft we
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started managing them. my partner just summers and
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I had dinner with some of the Bombay
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Breasts are in London for a sign and
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in restaurants And the very first don't think
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you're Citrus's We want to be the biggest
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group in the world you've got One year.
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And I just burst out laughing. Isis: Completely impossible.
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No one's ever been a big griffin and will
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do on here because you have to do to
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get stupid American to sixty percent of the world
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markets. and that takes four or five years and
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even the Beatles to five years since you can't
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do it. And he said, well,
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you've got one Yeah, that's what we want to like. I
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quite like that is the arrogance of use. A
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C Buses line as fast as
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a math class idea. Perhaps.
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we make you the first to have to find
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common this china and you'd be on the news
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and tv in front pages everywhere in the world
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George said, yeah I like that, fix it. And
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then the next day
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I was saying how do I get into
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China? In 1985 China is slowly
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opening up to the West after
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the death of Chairman Mao
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Zedong ends decades of cultural
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isolation. But getting in is still not
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easy. Simon wastes no time.
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He flies to Hong Kong where a
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business friend helps him cross the border.
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Well I was in China without permission, without
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a word of Chinese, without even any, I
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was so unprepared I hadn't even got any
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Chinese money I was so stupid. He
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calls the British Embassy and asks for a
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phone book of all the Chinese ministers. And
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so I sat down and I started phoning one
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ministry after another. I did this
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for two days and I was
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so bored and so miserable at this horrible hotel
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that I left and came back to England. And
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I went back a month later and as I walked
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into the holiday into the reception they said you got
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a message and it was my
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first taker and it
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was the Minister of Energy. So
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begins months of negotiations and
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many many lunches. So
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I came back next month there were three ministers
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and the month after there were six and by
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the 13th month you know I was entertaining
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15 or 16 ministers and
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their translators. They were greedy, I
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mean they ate a lot. And I never said what I
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was there for. When I was a
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kid I learnt door-to-door selling and the
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secret of selling a lot was not to say what you were
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selling or to ask people if they wanted to buy it. You
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just sort of made friends with them and
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then eventually they didn't know how to get
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out of it. And so I talked about
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exchanging music and it'd be great in exergy
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youth culture. And then maybe
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on the second or third lunch I said you know
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by the way you know I'm involved in a
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band myself. I manage a band in England but no
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more than that you know. And then
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the time after I said you know if one day
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there was an exergy youth culture it would be lovely if it
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was my band. And then after the
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lunch one of the ministers said I
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want you to come with me to my office. So
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he took me to his office and he had a red phone
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on. this desk. The red phone goes right
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to the top. So he picked
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up the phone and spoke in Chinese and then turned
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to me and said, yes you're invited to China. In
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April 1985 the WAM entourage
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arrived in China for a 10-day
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tour. Their packed schedule includes concerts
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in Beijing, Guangzhou and Hong Kong,
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a hike up the Great Wall
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of China, a football match and
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umpteen benefits and press conferences. I think
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they see us as fairly safe. This
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is George Michael talking to CBS News
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from China. The videos which and
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the records which after all they know
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about us haven't shown any kind of
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real rock and roll sex and drugs
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angle I suppose. So you're saying
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because of your quaint, hurt, wholesome image?
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Yeah, on stage anyway. This afternoon
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12,000 Chinese fans packed
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the workers stadium in Teking though
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they had a problem saying the name. The
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nearest they get is Wei Mu, which means
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brave and audacious. Tickets for
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this one Teking concert were not easy
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to come by. Police were on hand
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in case of trouble and just as
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youngsters queued all night, suitably elated when
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they got the ticket and the free
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WAM defense that went with them. I
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mean not one young person had ever heard of Wei Mu
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or you who they were and I thought it's going to
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be disaster because when we get to the concert there's going
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to be press and journalists from all over the world and
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they'll see at once that nobody in the audience knows
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a single word of any song. So
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I decided we'd make a record of
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all WAM songs sung in
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Mandarin Chinese. On one side
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was the Chinese version, on the other side
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was the WAM version. Back
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then China was just going
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through reforms. We had just
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opened to the outside world. This
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is Chinese singer Changfang Wan speaking
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to the BBC years after the
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concert. It's her voice on
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the cassette B side. It was a
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very memorable night, a whole
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new experience for us and I
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remember everyone was a little stunned. and
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join the crowd and people were like wow
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why is he here? Oh
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this is my big mistake. We had this lovely
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opening at which we'd chosen as a beautiful
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breakdancer from North London and
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I said after about 10 minutes on stage the second
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10 minutes jump down and go around the audience. Trevor
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the breakdancer gets the cloud a bit
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too excited. They went absolutely berserk. It's
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all on film. They were absolutely mad. This
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is George talking to UK TV show
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The Tube on Channel 4 in 1986. And
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then what happened was in the period between
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Trevor going off and when we went on
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there was an announcement over the loudspeakers that
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there would be no more dancing or clapping.
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No one was allowed to get out of
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their seats, they weren't allowed to participate. They
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were told it was banned. The police were trying
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to contain the crowd telling them not to
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stand up. The Chinese audience were pretty well
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behaved. It's not just to
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sedate fans affecting George Michael's nerves. There
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were 90 news crews from around
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the world, 90 television crews. And they came
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out and said they didn't look at an
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audience which is what they're used to looking
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at. They looked at the sternest critics which
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are journalists, photographers and no buzz
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coming back from them. So I
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can see why they came out or a bit terrified. One
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song changes everything. Wake
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Me Up Before You Go Go finally on
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that song by opening his arms wide,
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like two yards wide and bringing them
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together, they finally got the idea, oh
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you're meant to clap on
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the off-beat and they began to do it. Andrew
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was playing guitar, George was constantly
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walking across the stage interacting with
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the audience, singing with them. The
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speakers were so loud, boom, boom,
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boom. Our Chinese concerts
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were never that loud. My heart was jumping out
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of my chest. The following
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morning... They were on ABC,
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NBC and CBS News in America
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on television. 24-7,
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every hour on the hour, the top thing
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on the news for a week was WAM.
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And by the end of that week, they were a household name.
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Do you think it changed? to China in any way?
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Yes, China was doing a lot of things to try
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and bring in foreign investment. That was one of the
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key things which made the world believe, yes, it's really
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a new place and they're looking at doing things in
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a new, modern way and integrating
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with the world. Simon Napier
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Bell still works in the music business.
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He was speaking to me, Vicky Farncombe,
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for that edition of the Witness History
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Podcast from the BBC World Service. If
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you've liked this podcast, please check
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out our other programmes on China.
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Just search for Witness History in
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China. Thanks, bye-bye.
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