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the name I've noted. Yes. Yeah,

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it's Big Mates and Pro Rants. wrestling. But

2:01

can you think of another WW1 that is

2:03

as cursed as the Stinger one? Yeah, well,

2:05

none of those awful WWE runs compared to

2:07

the guy we're here to talk about today.

2:09

And that guy is the one, the only,

2:11

the release on the 3rd of May, 2024,

2:13

at the time of writing, Big

2:18

Gable Stevenson, a complete

2:20

disaster in WWE from

2:22

start to finish. Fortunately, one of the two got

2:24

very little air time. But

2:27

when you bring a guy in and you compare

2:29

him to Kurt Angle from day one, I

2:31

think the return on investment has to go down

2:33

as one of the lowest in WWE history. Yeah,

2:36

I suppose you've got to try and balance this

2:38

out. Like he was rubbish, but

2:40

at the same time, they sort of saddled him straight

2:42

out of the gate and built

2:44

him up so much that it was

2:46

almost impossible to live up to expectations.

2:48

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you

2:50

cannot compare someone to the greatest rookie in

2:52

pro wrestling history from day one and then

2:55

expect them to live up to that. Brock

2:57

Lesnar was another comparison and we've seen that

2:59

with like Parker Broujoux as well. Yeah. Could

3:02

be another example. What was his character called?

3:04

Harlan down in NXT. From

3:06

day one, he had the Brock Lesnar comparison,

3:08

Gable Steeveson over here because he's an Olympic

3:10

gold medal winner, but it's a long convoluted

3:12

saga on what we're going to dig into.

3:15

Yeah, exactly. WWE have been very excited about

3:17

this guy and watch keeping an eye on

3:19

him for a long old time before they

3:21

unveiled him, of course. He was

3:23

someone that they had a lot of attention,

3:25

according to the Observer, around for a few

3:28

years before they officially signed

3:30

him. He actually opened up and said himself,

3:32

like he'd love to get into, well,

3:34

he was, he referenced mixed martial arts, but

3:37

also pro wrestling as well. He said, it's

3:39

a dream I've had since I was

3:41

a kid to become a professional wrestling

3:43

superstar. Then obviously, he wins

3:47

gold, the 125 kilogram

3:49

category of wrestling at the Tokyo

3:51

Olympics. Again, the teasers

3:53

jumping to either pro wrestling or to

3:55

MMA. And then SummerSlam

3:57

2021 rolls around and they have the

4:00

big fanfare and they bring him out

4:02

and they basically explicitly tell the fans,

4:04

this is a guy to watch. Yeah, this

4:07

is the next angle, the next next

4:09

big thing, Brock Lesnar, like he

4:11

was someone that they put their

4:13

full weight behind. And

4:16

it was almost at that point you were like,

4:18

well, it's make or break time already. Yeah,

4:21

this is it. Like it's that

4:23

weight of expectation, especially if he was so young when he

4:25

signed, I think he was 20, 21 years old. Yeah.

4:28

That is a lot. Like, look, you

4:30

can be the most impressive physical specimen

4:32

in the world. You can be this

4:35

prodigious amateur wrestler as he

4:37

was. But even

4:39

from that first appearance in Summerslam, it

4:42

was pretty clear that the Kurt

4:44

Angle comparison was completely insane. Because the thing

4:46

about Kurt Angle wasn't just that he was

4:48

the successful Olympian, which obviously Gabriel Stiefson. It

4:51

wasn't that he was just this incredible

4:53

amateur wrestling, which obviously, Gabriel Stiefson was.

4:57

It was that he had this

4:59

unique charisma about him. Straight, what,

5:01

like immediately Kurt Angle picked this

5:03

sport up so quickly. He

5:05

had the intangibles, he had the press, he

5:07

knew when to make himself look like a

5:09

killer and when to make himself look like

5:11

a complete buffoon. He had such a great

5:14

balance, effectively from day one. And kind of

5:16

as Gabriel Stiefson stood there in the middle

5:18

of the ring, just exuding

5:20

none of these qualities, I think it was

5:22

an early warning sign for Summerslam. I agree.

5:24

I think in terms of like, you know,

5:26

fans don't always like being

5:28

told, here's this person, cheer for them.

5:31

Yeah. They sort of exploited that

5:33

with the Kurt Angle debut of just like, you guys

5:35

must be so happy that I'm here. And they're like,

5:37

who the hell are you? I immediately

5:39

don't like you. And it worked so well for

5:41

him. He was such a brilliant,

5:44

yeah, full, but also phenomenal athlete as

5:46

well. Like, it's sort of part of

5:48

what WWE does now, just generally. Their

5:50

next in line thing is, you are

5:52

an amazing athlete, but can you do

5:54

the other side of pro wrestling as

5:56

well? Can we, you know, mould you

5:58

into being able to do that? to

6:00

wrestle properly rather than just be a

6:02

former gymnast or a former American football

6:04

star or whatever it may be. But

6:07

especially in WWE, that comes with a lot

6:09

of other things that come with it. The

6:11

charisma is a large, large part of it,

6:13

that presence, that aura, that just

6:16

thing to make people engage

6:18

with you more than, wow, that was impressive. And

6:21

I don't know, I think the moment you saw him, you

6:23

were like, has he got it?

6:26

And then they went full throttle. Oh yeah. With

6:29

all of this, including this, like

6:31

how can we forget this, right? The 2021

6:33

WWE Draft, a couple of weeks,

6:36

maybe a couple of months after they signed Gable Steveson,

6:38

they drafted him to Raw. Yes.

6:40

By all reports, he wasn't yet training full-time

6:42

in pro wrestling. I think he was training

6:44

with Mr. Kennedy for a while, but he

6:46

wasn't at the PC full-time, he was still

6:48

doing some amateur wrestling stuff. They

6:51

sent him to Raw in the draft. They sent him

6:53

ahead of people like, and you know, like

6:56

he was round six, right? It's not like

6:58

he was this high level picker or whatever.

7:01

But they literally picked him before Sami

7:03

Zayn and some other names. And

7:05

when you do that, what that does is

7:07

that creates further weight to their expectations. Because

7:10

when you draft someone to a show, you

7:12

expect to see them on that show. So

7:14

what WWE did when they drafted into Raw

7:16

was telling you, hey, you might be seeing

7:18

Gable Steveson a little sooner than

7:21

you might think. Yeah, the clock started at that point, didn't

7:23

it? Oh, as they drafted him, then he must be

7:25

almost ready to start wrestling rather than, you

7:27

know, he's someone we really see potential in.

7:29

And we want to showcase that we're really

7:32

chuffed to have signed this person. But

7:35

we're going to go away. And when he's ready,

7:37

a bit like J. Cargill, when he's ready,

7:39

we'll bring him out properly. Sure. We've

7:42

seen J. Cargill again. So we did, to

7:44

be fair, like, you know, later,

7:47

going over into 2022, we did

7:50

see Gable Steveson again. He was at WrestleMania.

7:52

He was introduced by Stephanie McMahon, I believe

7:54

it was. And he did a suplex Kurt

7:56

Angle. No, not Kurt Angle. Good job, Gable.

7:58

I'm done with it again myself. They did

8:00

show me karanga later, we're gonna get to

8:02

that. They did indeed. Um, and you

8:04

know when you had that physical spot,

8:06

again it was like, okay, maybe we're

8:09

edging closer to something here, maybe we're

8:11

gonna see this Olympian, this

8:13

new Kurt Angle. But

8:15

again, watching these appearances, you don't wanna write

8:17

off someone that early in their career. The

8:19

thing is, you cannot teach charisma in pro

8:21

wrestling a lot of the time. It's either

8:24

in you or it isn't in you, and

8:26

in this case, again, not really

8:28

getting much. Yeah. In television. Chad Gable,

8:30

you know, he's probably, he's so strong, he

8:33

probably makes me look good throwing him around.

8:35

That wasn't the bar that he had to

8:37

clear. Yeah. It was how you follow that

8:39

up. And I don't think they

8:41

helped, as you alluded to there, by immediately,

8:44

the next time, I think it was the

8:46

next time we saw him anyway, having to

8:48

be there doing milk stuff with Kurt Angle.

8:50

Yeah, that was in December of 2022, so

8:52

it was the next time we saw him.

8:54

Gable Stuson appeared in WrestleMania in

8:56

April, when vanishing again for eight months. And

8:58

again, there are reasons for this, right?

9:01

Going away, amateur wrestling, all of that

9:03

stuff, I believe there was some confusion

9:05

about his participation in the new season,

9:07

he wasn't training full-time at the PC,

9:09

all of this. But it

9:12

was totally reasonable for fans to expect

9:14

this because WWE drafted him. They created

9:16

that way with expectations, and then they

9:18

literally had him and Kurt Angle, like

9:20

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home might be worth more than you think. Well,

11:09

it only got worse from there, really, because then

11:12

it was time for him to start appearing on

11:14

television. And it was

11:17

on my beloved NXT. It was

11:19

really weird as well, because he

11:21

suddenly shows up and he's advising

11:23

Eddie Thorpe against Damon Kemp. You

11:29

know what? That's difficult. It's real life brother. What?

11:32

Big Bob's team. So

11:34

that's happening. Okay. And

11:36

you think, well, regardless, and I will say this,

11:39

there was one moment where I thought he might

11:41

have something. There was some NXT

11:44

underground shenanigans and Gabrielle Stevenson was in and

11:46

around all of it. And

11:48

some dudes just rushed him and he suplexed

11:50

everyone in sight. And me

11:52

and Hamlet, to be fair, both said, I tell you

11:54

what, that looks awesome. If you can do more of

11:56

that sort of thing and maybe you give him a manager

11:58

to talk for it. him or whatever

12:00

and he has a great first match when

12:03

we see him out there on PLE then

12:06

maybe. Then

12:09

the great American bash happens. Oh

12:12

boy. Right, our opinions of Baron Corbin

12:14

have changed quite drastically I think it's fair to say

12:16

in recent. My opinions of Baron Corbin have gone up

12:18

and down like a yoyo over the years. But

12:22

it was almost impressive how he

12:24

got Corbin cheered. Like now

12:26

that's not weird because he's part of the

12:28

wolf dodge. Whoa whoa whoa whoa brilliant

12:31

tag team that they are but at the

12:33

time it was like right stick

12:35

anyone with Corbin and they'll get cheered

12:37

because it's Baron Corbin. Not

12:40

only was Corbin cheered the match was

12:42

a complete disaster and it

12:44

didn't even pop Gable Steveson over in the end.

12:47

So it achieved, it

12:50

didn't achieve nothing actually that's the lie. It

12:52

achieved getting heel Baron Corbin over. Yeah as

12:54

a baby face. It was so

12:56

wild. The thing about Baron Corbin is whether you

12:59

like him or you don't, whether you like his

13:01

work or you don't enjoy it whatever. He's

13:03

very good at his job. Oh absolutely. He is

13:06

excellent at his job right. He will make

13:08

himself a picky complete the food with dog food

13:10

and the bum ass Corbin gimmick and all that

13:12

stuff. He'll get pushed over by Rob Gronkowski

13:14

after Mojo rolling Niels behind him because he was

13:16

dressed as a king. He's

13:18

up for out basically. If it

13:20

serves the story, serves the situation Baron

13:23

Corbin will do it. He's

13:25

also very very good at just being a

13:27

heel, like a grinding down heel who is

13:30

purposefully not flashy apart from the end of

13:32

days and the Deep Six which are really

13:34

cool moves. But he's

13:36

not this flashy ass heel. He's not

13:38

playing for pops or anything like that.

13:40

He knows that his role there is

13:42

to make you like the other person

13:45

right. He is deliberately kind

13:47

of boring. He's a headlock in

13:49

human form. Exactly. And he's very very

13:51

good at that. Or he was before the wolf dogs. And

13:53

then Gable Steve... Oh my

13:55

god. I remember watching this going what's

13:58

happening? Further

14:01

your point. That guy's so dope. What

14:03

the hell's going on? I can't believe

14:05

it. To

14:07

further hammer home this point, this is not 2019

14:10

and 2018, right? People

14:13

don't bring beach balls to shows that

14:15

often anymore. People don't chant rogue CM

14:17

Punk while he's there, obviously. But

14:20

you know, people aren't holding shows hostage or whatever.

14:22

They aren't going to watch the AW instead. It's

14:25

that simple. Exactly. The WWE audience of

14:27

today is very responsive

14:30

to what the promotion wants them

14:32

to be responsive to. It's a

14:34

super-compliant crowd. And they

14:36

destroyed this match. Like it was, you know, the

14:39

peak Vince years when everyone was pissed off

14:41

with the product and Cesaro was jumping in

14:43

the crowd to rip beach balls apart. This

14:45

was quite the remarkable achievement. I'm sorry, that

14:47

guy's wearing an NXT t-shirt. He's

14:49

Mr. NXT and he's like, What are you

14:52

doing to my beloved brother? What is this?

14:54

What's going on, Sean? I can't

14:56

believe it. And across the board, you

14:58

go back and watch that match. And

15:00

yeah, like, for example, like, I will

15:03

say what you will about this platform, but the cage-minus

15:05

rating is one of the lowest of the years, right?

15:07

So it's clear that it's not something that people enjoyed.

15:09

You can say that's a little harsh, right?

15:11

On a fundamental level, it's not the

15:14

worst match of 20p and E3, right?

15:16

It's simply not. There are bigger Omni

15:18

shambles out there. You can go looking

15:20

for them. And there's one where a

15:22

guy, I guess, injected in his lily.

15:25

That's probably the worst match. I'm not going to name

15:27

the promotion, but that's probably the worst match of 2020,

15:29

right? But I

15:31

think it speaks again to the volume

15:33

of expectation and the delivery, like what

15:35

we got in return for those expectations.

15:38

I think the rating is almost kind

15:40

of warranted from that standpoint. But

15:42

things only get weirder for old

15:44

Gable as things progress.

15:46

By September last year, Dave Meltzer's

15:48

reporting that he's been removed from

15:51

the NXT roster, right? So

15:53

he's kind of gone missing again

15:55

after the Great American Bash, right?

15:57

He's not wrestling anymore, necessarily. Sean

16:00

Michaels later comes out and says, hey,

16:03

you'll be back, don't worry, it's just a scheduling

16:05

thing, it's just a scheduling thing, and we'll be

16:07

back, he's a busy guy, blah blah blah. And

16:09

there's all this speculation at the same time about

16:12

the Olympics and trials and him participating maybe in

16:14

those when they come around in April and maybe

16:16

he has to prep. But

16:18

then Gable Steveson re-emerges, it becomes 2024

16:20

this year, as

16:23

things tend to do on December 30th.

16:25

That calendar's where? A new year begins,

16:28

and he starts working these squash matches,

16:30

these dark matches on SmackDown, working the

16:32

likes of Cameron Grimes, very skilled

16:34

wrestlers. He works

16:36

four or five of those in a row, and

16:38

by February, they just completely stop. And

16:40

once again, we're in this kind of Gable Steveson

16:43

void, really, and there's no

16:46

information coming out, there's no reports of him

16:48

training, he just had this series of matches

16:50

that seemed like some kind of experiment, maybe

16:52

to see how he'd get over with the

16:54

live crowd, and it suddenly

16:57

stops again. It's easy to

16:59

be sort of smart after the fact,

17:01

isn't it? And it's easy for you to

17:03

sit here right now and say what

17:05

they should have done is immediately, or not

17:07

immediately, but soon after the Great American

17:09

Bash, book him in another programme and get

17:12

people to forget about the feud and

17:14

match with Baron Corbin, let's get some positive

17:16

reactions, some positive memories around him as

17:18

a wrestler. The longer they left

17:20

it, it felt like people were like, no,

17:23

I'm fine. I mean, the product was obviously going

17:25

from strength to strength at this time as well,

17:27

so it wasn't like they were crying out for

17:29

someone like this to really grab people's attention. I

17:33

think this for me, looking back now, is when

17:35

the writing was on the wall, that like you

17:37

say, to talk about the Olympic trials, which yes,

17:39

if you'd have gone away and

17:41

they kept him for the Olympics this year, and then

17:43

gone and won a gold medal, and they could be

17:45

like, bloody hell, look, he's won two bloody gold medals

17:47

now, and now he's coming straight back and kicking ass.

17:50

But I think the moment that he started doing that, you're like,

17:53

wrestling fans can be a bit fickle of like, if you're

17:55

not given 100% to this, then what

17:57

are we doing here? Henry Sahuda.

18:00

in fact said that WE

18:02

blocked him from appearing at the Olympic

18:04

trials in April. And

18:07

then we hear about all these releases

18:09

happening and his name gets brought up

18:11

because it's like why are you releasing

18:14

someone like a Treverly, a Cameron Grimes,

18:16

this brilliant you know my love for

18:18

Cameron Grimes, this brilliant

18:21

wrestler who's tried with whatever

18:23

they've given him and been

18:25

squashed by this guy who they haven't

18:27

done anything with since the great American

18:29

bash. Like I said I think at that point

18:31

the writing was on the wall and

18:34

they released him a Meltzer says basically he's got a

18:36

big contract, he got given a big contract when he

18:38

signed and he wasn't cutting it.

18:40

You know they take a punt

18:43

on people sometimes, sometimes it pays

18:45

off. I'm not saying that they

18:47

took a punt on Logan Paul

18:49

but like he had no wrestling,

18:51

pro wrestling experience, no pro wrestling

18:53

experience, he was a great athlete

18:56

but like look at the difference he's had in

18:58

the last few years compared to someone like a

19:00

Gable season whilst doing all the other stuff

19:02

not just focusing completely on it. It

19:05

can be a lottery I will admit

19:07

that but it's been disastrous for a

19:09

number of years and it

19:12

can barely pinpoint a positive moment for Gable's decent

19:14

outside of smiling and waving at SummerSlam and what

19:16

he's been trying to Gable now at WrestleMania. And

19:18

for the amount of money that they've presumably invested

19:20

in him and the amount of hype that they

19:23

gave him and the promotion and the draft and

19:25

all of this stuff, a lot

19:27

of the blame really does have to go

19:29

in the company's shoulders for this because I

19:31

think and again it's really easy to

19:33

say these things now that the WWE run is over

19:35

for him. I'm sure he'll find some

19:38

other line of work. Like MMA,

19:40

bulldoze people, sure. Yeah, yeah. The poor Brock Lesnar did

19:42

there I think. He's going to be back in the

19:44

day. He's going to be back in the day. Like

19:46

with his wrestling pedigree he's probably going to be a

19:49

force. But when it

19:51

comes to pro wrestling, right, it was

19:53

pretty clear from most, even just casual

19:55

observers watching that first SummerSlam appearance, charisma's

19:59

not there. Spark is not

20:01

there and the current you cannot just

20:03

compare people to Kurt Angle It's

20:06

such an unfair expectation to set on

20:08

someone just like with Parker Boudreaux and

20:10

Bronzendre I'm pretty

20:12

sure Parker Boudreaux only got those comparisons because

20:14

he got blonde hair Yeah, that's a bit

20:16

like him. Yeah, exactly. But at the end

20:18

of the day this run was completely cursed

20:20

from day one And

20:23

it's ended the way a lot of people

20:25

thought it would unfortunately I think what probably

20:28

happened was that some guy at Endeavor who

20:30

doesn't know wrestler A from wrestler B Was

20:32

probably looking at the spreadsheet seeing this big-ass

20:34

salary thinking only wrestled once on TV and

20:37

going hey What is this

20:39

get rid of this? Yeah, I think

20:41

it's probably the same reason, you know

20:43

similar reason They just cut Jerry Waller

20:45

loose as a broadcaster with whatever cold-hearted

20:47

business type Yeah looking at these

20:50

things was probably like who's this old dude?

20:52

What are we keeping him around for? We

20:54

saw it with Endeavor when they took over

20:56

the UFC and they released people who had

20:58

sentimental attachments and legends of

21:00

this book Randy Couture regardless right away So

21:03

it's like it's a very similar

21:05

thing. It's quite a stingy company They will

21:07

absolutely offer big money contracts to yourself all

21:09

into people who are there every week as

21:11

we've just seen but when it comes to

21:14

frankly busts Like Gable

21:16

Stevenson. This is the thing is

21:18

just to wrap this off Like

21:21

this isn't them never saying that they

21:23

will take on an athlete

21:25

and try and mold them into a pro wrestler

21:27

you know, they sort of already had a Ready

21:30

made almost in terms of maybe needs tweaked to

21:33

learn the WWE style But Jay Cargill is a

21:35

perfect example of just like she's

21:37

an athlete But now let's make her

21:39

a pro wrestler in WWE eyes And

21:42

they took sucker away and did that

21:44

this next in line program has been

21:46

working wonders for them Typically strap in

21:48

bringing through exact great example. So But

21:51

the problem with it is if

21:53

you don't deliver if you don't

21:55

give them the results they're hoping for Now

21:59

there's another 20 people coming through,

22:01

then the next round of next in line

22:03

selling is from gymnastics football

22:06

MMA athletics

22:09

that will be ready to take your place and yeah this

22:12

is just one of the warning

22:14

tales you could tell people who are

22:17

potentially getting into wrestling because my

22:19

word it all went so wrong. It really did

22:21

and to kind of wrap this up on quite

22:23

a sour note, you know the Olympic

22:26

trials thing, if they just let

22:28

him go like a month earlier he'd have been able to

22:30

go and do those. Yep. But according to Henry, see who

22:32

don't they blocked him from doing them and

22:35

then now obviously they let it go in early May.

22:38

See you later guys. But hey

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