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1:00

get this dinner party started. Josh,

1:17

round the room we're recording in is ludicrously warm.

1:19

There's no ventilation and it's only going to get

1:21

hotter across the recording of this podcast. It is

1:23

warm, but it's like on my side of the

1:26

room, the climate's like, all right,

1:28

unbearable, but we're filling two things in here

1:30

now and I've seen you progressively start to

1:32

melt. I'm actually feeling bad for you. I've

1:34

got laptops. We're owned by a company called Future

1:37

and they gave us these laptops and they're horrible.

1:39

If anyone from Future is listening to this, please

1:41

give me a laptop that doesn't burn my legs.

1:43

I really appreciate it. Right. No, no, no, no.

1:45

I don't want to be a corporate shill, but

1:47

I need to put you on blast right now.

1:49

The reason it keeps burning your legs off is

1:51

because you refuse to shut it down. That's why,

1:53

that's very true. I do refuse to shut it

1:55

down. I'll just put it on sleep. But if

1:58

I close a laptop lid, it shouldn't be. back

2:00

on all the way

2:02

through our tenure together I believe we're

2:04

starting this podcast I've got a bone

2:06

to pick oh yeah no tenure together

2:09

you have had complaints about laptops and

2:11

charges and I'm starting to realize

2:13

the common denominator is not a laptop some charges

2:15

Scott it's always you ridle me this the thing

2:17

that I just said if I close the laptop

2:19

lid it should not come back on but it's

2:21

awful but it's sleeping that's the thing in it

2:24

it's not dead it's just asleep no but no

2:26

other laptop comes back on fans were in

2:28

going crazy when the lid's down the fan whirring

2:30

thing I will admit is kind of strange but the

2:32

idea of it coming back on you only have to

2:35

tap a button and you usually comes back on if

2:37

it's asleep I'm

2:59

starting to think that it all stems from

3:01

not shutting it down though you might

3:18

do but I don't there's still that I can't if

3:20

someone that listening out there in the great beyond

3:22

can give me an answer to why the laptops

3:24

coming back on the lid shut up hit the

3:26

sleep button I love this I love this because

3:29

this and this type of conversation I feel like

3:31

happens a lot in the podcast over games like

3:33

so many times when we were playing immortality

3:35

for instance you were like I don't know

3:38

I don't really know what they want me

3:40

to do and I was like check the

3:42

tutorial oh you were like I'm not checking

3:44

no cuz that that came to tour just

3:46

quote the tutorial is in the options I'm

3:50

in saw game I'm not looking look who is

3:53

looking around for the tutorial if you

3:56

get stuck No

4:00

one's ever thought that. No one's got stuck in a game

4:02

and go, I best go back to the main menu and

4:05

look at the options. That's where the

4:07

answer will be to the puzzle. I

4:09

could be misremembered. I'd recall it being on the

4:11

main menu screen, but not in the options. Possibly.

4:13

Could be wrong about that. Even I'm, I... I

4:15

think you're a bit more slack if you have

4:17

to go into the options themselves. I thought they

4:19

were on main menu. Whatever it was, it wasn't

4:21

like tutorial as an option. It was something else.

4:23

It was hidden by something. It was something other

4:26

than start game. Otherwise, I would have had a

4:28

look. I don't think that's true because the conversation

4:30

at the time was, I am... Why would I go

4:32

into the tutorial? But that is something we do not

4:34

want to really get into today. I will. It's funny

4:36

though. Because I'm right. But we'll see what happens. I'll

4:39

never look at that menu, so you can, you can

4:41

be right. I'll be right in a perpetual state of

4:43

rightness. We, it's a bank holiday in the UK this

4:45

weekend. So who knows if we'll get to the wind

4:47

up next week, because we'll miss the Monday. Hopefully we

4:50

will. Hopefully we will. I don't make any promises, because

4:52

you know what we're like. We'll come in and try

4:54

to catch up on the day's work and then end

4:56

up... Hey, we'll... ...overwhelming. But the point

4:58

is, we hope to get a wind up out. But

5:00

if we don't, I'm happy with ourselves

5:03

winding each other up on the laptop screens and,

5:05

uh, tutorial. Playing Hellblade 2, just every single thing

5:07

that we both do, we can't agree on. It's

5:09

been a week for us, hasn't it? Like, we've

5:11

had a good period of, um, agreeing. And then

5:13

this week, we've had a few games and a

5:15

few topics where we've just been proper polar opposites.

5:17

It's been a while. I was gonna say, if

5:19

you're, if you're hankering for that stuff by the

5:21

time this podcast goes live, there'll be, um, the

5:23

video of me and you disagreeing over Hellblade 2

5:25

for about half an hour. And then, um, earlier

5:27

in the week, or last week, or whenever it

5:29

was, times were flat circle. There was Final Fantasy

5:32

VII Rebirth that we went back and forth on. Yeah.

5:34

You were a bit closer to me with that. That's true.

5:36

But we'll see. And I'll tell you what I did want

5:38

to say, and this is the Entitled Panda podcast, UBP, the

5:40

UBP. The UBP. I'm sure, Silver,

5:42

that is Josh Brown. Hello. Um, I wanted to do

5:44

a massive thank you to everybody who's been sending me,

5:46

uh, all these new parent vibes. Just general thank you.

5:48

It's awesome. Everyone wishing me well. And, um, you know,

5:51

being a new dad, being a new parent, it is

5:53

very hard. But occasionally it's absolutely gorgeous. I

5:55

don't want to curse myself, but things are getting

5:57

easier. Love that. Um, we are almost at the

5:59

top. two months mark and things are a lot easier

6:01

than they were at the second and third week mark

6:03

and they actually worship it was a second third week

6:05

mark and but like I said every

6:07

time I've said that out loud some things then

6:10

gone really wrong to the point where my wife

6:12

now just says you don't finish it don't say

6:14

it's okay because then something will go wrong I've

6:16

now said it to the world yeah before this

6:18

podcast we're recording it on Thursday yeah won't be

6:20

going out till tomorrow so the curse and the

6:22

jinx will be caught in the ether yes in

6:24

your child they won't know I will schedule a

6:26

podcast and I'll keep an eye on my child

6:28

and at that particular hour I will see if

6:30

their eyes go red and I will know that

6:32

it is the words that I said and but

6:34

yeah and also people messaging just to just to

6:36

say thank you for the podcast everything we do we

6:38

hear you we see all those comments it's genuinely awesome

6:41

love the community and a massive thank you to everybody

6:43

who's listening right now and the UBP is always where

6:45

we get through as many of your questions as possible

6:47

first one from the toasty penguin who says that UBP

6:50

with hellblade 2 being on the divisive side I'm curious

6:52

to know your thoughts on what makes the game a

6:54

10 out of 10 masterpiece is a gameplay graphics score

6:56

voiceover work or a combination of everything and I just

6:58

said before that there is a hellblade 2 video so

7:01

that's what I want to plug that again go go

7:03

watch the hellblade 2 video me and Josh are doing

7:05

for quite some time about this terrible art piece

7:07

the masquerading as a video game but in

7:09

terms of a 10 out of 10 masterpiece

7:11

on the Josh scale I'm on the Josh

7:13

scale and people may not like this but

7:15

a 10 out of 10 what separates if

7:17

4 star from a 5 star in my

7:19

book is vibes and it just kind of

7:21

comes down to that like the

7:24

5 star games that I love and

7:26

not perfect I think I mentioned before

7:28

but I don't think a perfect video

7:30

game is interesting I think if you

7:32

try to create objectively

7:34

speaking the most

7:37

polished and most accessible

7:39

most and I don't know it's

7:41

like appealing game you'd come out

7:43

with something a little bit I'd

7:45

always take a three star up

7:47

and down disaster over something that's

7:49

had so much polish and so

7:52

much of its edges sanded off

7:54

that it doesn't do anything

7:56

it doesn't take risks if that makes sense my favorite It's

8:00

it always differs from game to game in

8:02

what manages to penetrate through but it's

8:05

just having for me It's doing

8:07

something new or doing something ambitious

8:09

and nailing it and if

8:11

you're not doing that and you're making a

8:14

story driven game it's really getting diving

8:17

deep into interesting themes and Delivering

8:20

on those and offering a perspective

8:23

that I haven't seen

8:25

before either in this medium or just

8:27

generally so it's it's a

8:29

great question, but it's a it's a one

8:31

where I feel like I can't give a Satisfying

8:34

answer because it's all vibe by base for

8:36

me mind that my overall metric for almost

8:38

everything in Media art is just what were

8:40

they going for? What did they nail? And

8:43

then just the it's always case by

8:45

case mean you did a really long podcast on

8:47

subjectivity versus objectivity because we are We're just that

8:49

wanky sometimes and we needed to get it down

8:51

because I feel like you can have that whole

8:53

conversation I like what is it? What is more

8:56

objectively a 10 out of 10 masterpiece? And obviously

8:58

there's no objectivity and art etc But there are

9:00

various metrics to say well these graphics are very

9:02

detailed or this whatever the sound the recording quality

9:04

of that Audio is really crisp or whatever it

9:06

is And I still feel like for

9:08

me if I'm going completely personally Then

9:11

it is it is a mix of like what were they

9:13

going for? What did they mail? Are there any

9:15

flaws whatsoever like really I was trying to think of

9:17

the last time I gave a game five stars And

9:19

I think it was ratchet and clank riffs apart, right?

9:21

Which I do think is a five-star immaculate game And

9:24

even though it's not necessarily something that I would

9:27

say is in my top ten like my personal

9:29

top ten Be like Metal Gear Solid or Halo

9:31

2 Hotline Miami like things like that

9:33

like the Witcher 3 You

9:36

know like those are ten out of

9:38

tens you've touched on something fascinating there

9:40

because ratchet and clank riffs apart I

9:42

guess it just sums up our differing

9:44

and Critical scale

9:46

that might happen to only right ratchet

9:48

and clap Clack

9:52

Kent Clack that's

9:54

a similar of action sitcom certainly ratchet

9:57

and clank ratchet and clank rift apart.

9:59

Yeah I think we said at the time when

10:01

we reviewed it or you reviewed it we on this podcast I

10:04

agree with all of your positive praise of

10:06

that game. That's a game where I can't

10:08

I can't fault it, right? There's nothing in

10:10

there where I look at it and think

10:12

they've done that bad. We haven't executed that

10:14

well It's pristinely put together, but it doesn't

10:16

punch through for that other level for me.

10:18

It doesn't have that memorability It doesn't have

10:20

that staying power and for whatever Reason

10:23

for me personally, it doesn't have the X factor. I

10:25

was gonna say I feel like what I'm looking for

10:27

Yeah, you're you you're quite. Um, it's not like it's

10:29

not and what's the stingy's the word we would use

10:31

in the UK? But I don't mean it negatively. Yeah,

10:33

I just mean that if you're dishing out a five-star

10:36

you have to really earn it Yeah, I was like,

10:38

I'll kind of give like a I don't know I

10:40

don't mind giving out five like I don't know it's

10:42

it's always a feel but it's like it's like a

10:44

project scope It's like man you guys nailed this vision.

10:46

Yeah, that's five-star like it. I don't know. It's always

10:48

case by case Um, but yeah, but I

10:50

said whenever we've talked about this before like I'll be coming

10:52

at you gun That's a five-star thing and you're like, but

10:54

it didn't have that extra layer on it Yeah, it was

10:56

so well made five-star. Yes, and you're like, but it didn't

10:58

have a Next level meaning or it didn't

11:00

stay with me. Like that's my thought that would be your

11:03

first absolutely You know if I like if I give something

11:05

five-star I'm gonna talk about it to

11:07

death in this podcast forever you know how I

11:09

still bring up immortality and a lot of us

11:11

part to like those to me a Five-star games

11:13

and they're the ones that will break into my

11:15

top ten or top 20 up Maybe even top

11:17

50 where I'll be talking about

11:19

them all the time. You will get annoyed You'll

11:21

know if I give something a five-star You will

11:23

get annoyed with me talking about it so much

11:25

but like coming back to just sort of criticism

11:27

in general Again, people

11:30

might disagree with this absolutely valid and

11:32

stuff. But for me, I'm always interested

11:34

in Less

11:36

if a game is five-star Why

11:39

a game is five-star to someone? I

11:42

love those personal anecdotes and their interests

11:44

and how they're influenced by those interests

11:46

and Context and life experiences and stuff

11:48

and that's just what I look for

11:50

in Like criticism and

11:53

I guess that kind of critical writing. So

11:55

I guess that's why I prioritize it as

11:57

well because in my head Is

12:00

a critic, is a podcaster, is a journalist, whatever the

12:02

hell you want to call this made-up fake job that

12:04

I have? A talksman. A

12:06

talksman, I like that. Yeah, I'll put

12:08

that on the CV. What was I

12:10

saying? Yeah, to me, I

12:13

always assumed that I am not a

12:15

master when it comes to breaking down

12:17

a game from a mechanical perspective or

12:19

from a technical perspective or understanding exactly

12:21

how it was made. So

12:24

I find that because I can't offer

12:26

the best of that type

12:28

of criticism, I can offer the

12:30

best type of criticism of what Josh Brown likes.

12:32

No one else can do that as good as

12:35

me. So I like to focus

12:37

on that side of things and hopefully that,

12:40

I don't know, I just feel like the other side

12:42

of the more objective based criticism you can get from

12:44

a lot of other places. Yeah, and it's... I don't

12:46

know, it's not a wrong way to do it, I

12:48

don't think. No, no, it's definitely that, like I said,

12:50

we did this whole podcast and there was a tweet,

12:52

there was something doing around the other day about, was

12:55

it a review of a movie? You and

12:57

sent it to me and you and there was a review of a

12:59

movie where the person had gone into it saying, like, oh, when I

13:01

saw part one of this movie, I was a young child and I

13:03

did this and it meant so much to me and whatever. And

13:06

that kind of blew up on Twitter, it was just saying this review

13:08

is pointless. And then

13:11

I side more with the people saying it's pointless, honestly.

13:13

I thought you would, yeah. Yeah, I just, I don't

13:15

care. To

13:17

me, you still got to get close to like,

13:19

but is it worth my time? You can have

13:22

the personal anecdotes and you can touch on things, but it's

13:24

not the... So many

13:26

outlets have tried and died to go with

13:28

the idea of you should know the reviewer

13:30

to know if you'll like the thing. And

13:32

I think that that is worthwhile if people

13:34

stick around, that's awesome, but I would never

13:36

assume that they will. So, like, if someone

13:38

over the years has aligned themselves with our

13:40

taste and they know, oh, Josh likes that thing,

13:43

I'll love that. That's great, that's awesome. Like, that

13:45

really helps the consumer. But I

13:47

would never assume that. I would never open my

13:49

review saying, well, I felt quite sick and for

13:52

five hours I was throwing up and I watched

13:54

that movie and it made me feel a lot

13:56

better. Like that tells the average consumer nothing at

13:58

all. Yeah, well, I guess that's to me... Again,

14:00

both valid, both valid. I want to bring that up for

14:03

the sake of the wider discourse, but yeah. Totally, I just

14:05

think it kind of depends what

14:07

you're trying to convey with the review, I think,

14:09

and who the audience is

14:11

for that. I think a critical review

14:13

of a game can be massively different

14:16

to just like a product review for

14:18

a new TV monitor, and I know

14:21

that's not even a knock against those. No, that's true. Very

14:23

valuable. Like you said, using it as a

14:25

buying guide. Well, that's super quick. That's why there's... Sorry,

14:28

super quick. That's why there's objectivity... Oh, there's an assumed

14:30

objectivity in video game reviews, because it's associated with

14:32

tech and product reviews. Absolutely, and this is why

14:34

I understand that people just want that. They want

14:36

a buying guide. They want that sort of tech

14:38

review. Does it run well? Does

14:41

it execute its stuff well? And I guess why

14:43

I would never kind of knock that stuff. But

14:45

to me, it's so much

14:47

more complicated because I love

14:49

television, Scott, but televisions aren't art

14:51

and games are. And

14:54

they're also products and they're also technology. So,

14:56

that artistic element is too much of its

14:58

core for me to ever want to do

15:00

a kind of product review, though I do

15:02

understand that sometimes people just want to know

15:04

the specs and stuff,

15:07

and that is absolutely fine. But for

15:09

me as someone who is in

15:11

that creator realm, the most

15:13

influential and impactful critiques I've

15:16

ever seen from someone

15:18

like Tim Rogers on Action Button,

15:20

who did a five-hour review

15:23

on a Japanese game I've never played and by

15:25

the end of it, it's one

15:27

of the best pieces of writing I've ever seen.

15:31

It's one of the best performances I've ever seen.

15:33

It's one of the most poignant quote-unquote

15:35

reviews I've ever seen, and most of

15:38

that is relating this game to his

15:40

own experiences in Japan and his own

15:42

childhood and the way the

15:44

game made him think about

15:46

memory and experiences. And I'm like, I

15:49

watched that and it made me want to keep

15:51

doing this job. Not that I was thinking of giving it up,

15:53

but it made me think, oh, that's

15:55

what I want to try and convey. And like you said, it's

15:57

not going to be for everyone. The

16:00

key, because yeah, shout out to Tim Rogers, dude,

16:02

absolutely rules. His 20 piece

16:05

on translating Final Fantasy 7, the original Final Fantasy 7,

16:07

I absolutely love it and it ends in a similar

16:09

way where he brings a lot more personal stuff into

16:11

it. I love that stuff. That's not a review. Like

16:13

I love all those pieces but they are separate things.

16:15

Like I do think a review is a very specific

16:17

thing. We should move on to

16:20

other stuff because we'll get on about this. It's interesting. It

16:22

definitely is. And I'm curious what other people think about this

16:24

stuff and what the average person wants from a review because

16:26

I do find that a lot of people just jump to

16:28

the number at the end of the IGN review and go,

16:30

oh, it's an 8 out of 10. That's all I need.

16:32

Cool. Some of that sphere of spoilers, some

16:34

of that whatever. But I think those

16:36

pieces, because I did a video on how

16:38

much Celeste moved me, like how much that

16:40

game means to me back in 2017.

16:43

That should still be on the channel. But

16:45

I didn't class that as it's not a review. I

16:49

think they're separate things because I'm

16:51

all up for someone saying the

16:53

completely personal anecdote and that's why this game meant

16:56

so much to me as a separate editorial, as

16:58

a separate thing. It's just

17:00

that sometimes that crosses over, crosses the lines

17:02

with the review. I remember when,

17:04

I think it was actually Prey, because it got brought

17:06

back up again, when RK

17:09

and Austin got shut down, that IGN, their review

17:11

of Prey was them saying that their game stopped

17:13

working so they gave up playing it. That's not

17:15

a review. That's a review

17:17

of that person's time, but that's not a review of a

17:19

video game. You know what I mean? They're

17:22

different things. I don't know what

17:24

you mean, but I get it. Okay. Me,

17:27

them passing that off as we reviewed this video

17:29

game, it didn't work. Well, the system

17:31

stopped working so we didn't finish it. That's

17:33

like, okay, what am I supposed to do with that? The game's

17:36

still available on sale. I can't do

17:38

anything with that. Again,

17:40

I love Prey and I think that 4 out

17:42

of 10 caused so much discourse. At

17:44

the same time, I can get the frustration

17:46

from a reviewer who gets a game and it's

17:49

so buggy that it literally does not work to

17:51

be like, you're wasting my time. My

17:53

extension, you may be wasting the consumer's time, so

17:56

we're going to make a statement with that review.

17:58

For me, I... I do

18:01

think you're right like a review is a distinct thing

18:03

and kind of separate from an overall critique as well

18:05

But and I think I don't think

18:07

a review just has to be one thing I think

18:09

it can be multiple things and I think you can

18:11

go to different sites for different kinds of reviews Some

18:13

reviews won't have scars so will be more personal some

18:15

will be more objective some will be more subjective Some

18:18

will be done by a team of people like me

18:20

and you sometimes jump on to review hellblade as a

18:22

duo Sometimes I'll take a game like dragons dogmen review

18:25

that my own or whatever it is true so that's

18:27

to me like yeah, there is a review format, but

18:29

I I personally would never want to Make

18:33

it too rigid because I don't find

18:35

because I just don't know I just don't

18:37

know how you make that interesting when you have

18:39

so many voices like we do today I like

18:41

that everyone can put a stamp on what a

18:43

review is and you don't like it Of course

18:45

not like no, I don't have to be like

18:48

oh, I'm gonna have to read my review way

18:50

He blends his childhood with with a review of

18:52

whether or not these swords feel good but

18:55

I think when media is becoming so homogenous

18:57

and we get so many voices in like

18:59

you gotta do something to Make

19:02

people gravitate towards your stuff because like I said

19:06

Man, like there are so many people doing

19:08

the this is just a review Yeah, let's

19:10

go off thing and that's again totally fine.

19:12

Yeah, but and I like the differentiation personally

19:14

true I agree with the different. Yeah, I

19:16

agree with everything I just them I like

19:18

things being clearly distinguished And if I went

19:20

into a review and it was more of

19:23

a diatribe about the person's own life that

19:25

saves me not all But I

19:27

know you I know exactly why that is where

19:29

is why that's valid I would just prefer that

19:31

with the label of editorial or the label it right

19:33

or no label at all Fair just bang it out as a video

19:35

on YouTube and I'll click on it because I was a cool thumb

19:37

and I'll sit for Two hours. I'll watch that whole thing. Just don't

19:39

tell me it's a review cuz it's not like to me

19:42

I I disagree with that because I know I know

19:44

I know I think that was really my closing thoughts

19:47

For me you can just click in that realize enough

19:49

for you and go I'm out in nipping your review

19:52

doesn't hurt you or anyone else Is what I'll say

19:54

this thing on good. Let's move on that is

19:56

fair question from Shane's last blobby 46 Who

19:59

says if you have to choose? Choose one and remove the

20:01

other from history. What would you choose, Assassin's Creed

20:03

or Splinter Cell? Oh, I

20:06

remove Assassin's Creed. See

20:08

right, my brain went to Splinter Cell. No, no,

20:10

no, to keep Splinter Cell, sorry, because I love

20:12

Splinter Cell, but at the same time,

20:15

Assassin's Creed 1, Assassin's Creed 2,

20:17

Assassin's Creed Brotherhood, some of

20:19

my fondest gaming memories, getting those every

20:22

Christmas. So if we're talking about removing

20:24

the games, we'll remove my experiences with

20:26

them and I don't get them. I'm

20:29

probably going to remove Splinter Cell, you know? I

20:31

know. Nothing's going to be Splinter Cell 1. I

20:33

love them all. Splinter Cell 1 was such a landmark moment

20:36

for Xbox. I love that thing. Pandora Tomorrow for as horrible

20:38

as the checkpoints were. I still love the vibe of that

20:40

game. I love all the additional takedowns they put in there.

20:42

Chaos Theory is one of the best games of all time

20:44

and no one ever talks about it because it's old now.

20:47

But that thing is absolutely... Today, it still looks gorgeous. Yeah. Like,

20:50

I remember when it came out and they said they were making... they were

20:52

trying to make the best fucking game of all time and it still looks

20:54

stunning now. Double Agent not too bothered

20:56

about... I like Conviction a

20:58

lot. I think it's interesting. There's like a pivot.

21:00

Blacklist actually rules. Like the calibre of those games

21:02

altogether is a better run or a better combo

21:05

of games than Assassin's Creed to me. I'm with

21:07

ya. Yes. But I'm

21:09

going back to the subject. No. It's annoying,

21:11

Scott, because the age gap between us is

21:13

just enough to ensure that I missed the

21:16

original run of Splinter Cell. I played them.

21:18

They were too hard for me. Couldn't get

21:20

into them. So my... You like them now?

21:22

Oh, of course. I like

21:25

them now. But I didn't grow up

21:27

with them so I don't have that same fondness for

21:29

them because my Splinter Cell to

21:31

me, just because it's what I grew up

21:33

with, is Double Agent, it's Conviction and Blacklist.

21:36

And let me tell ya, I love

21:38

Double Agent. I loved that game back

21:40

in the day. I thought that thing

21:42

absolutely ruled the idea of them playing

21:45

both sides as an undercover agent. I

21:47

thought that was excellent. Bald Sam Fisher.

21:49

Hell yeah. Bursting out of prison.

21:52

This is the best game I've ever played. It was,

21:54

I mean, it's the Chaos Theory engine so it's still

21:56

running really well. Yeah, it looked amazing on 360. mind

22:00

I think I think I'd

22:02

have to go Assassin's Creed and just because

22:04

I like that with Assassin's Creed I

22:07

don't think the games now are incredible

22:09

but I love that if I'm in

22:11

a say Egyptian mood or a

22:13

Greek mood I can boot up something like

22:15

Odyssey and just not live in those lushly

22:17

brought to life worlds for a little bit

22:19

I do love the attention to detail the

22:21

amount of research and historical accuracy of those

22:23

games have it is true like but I

22:25

just misspent the cell and I don't want

22:27

my life without turn the cell where they

22:29

feel like I would be alright with my

22:31

life without Assassin's Creed and I'm saying that

22:33

as an absolute idiot who's pre-ordered the 240

22:36

pound version of shadows which I might pull

22:38

out of because they're gonna let me sell

22:40

in a feudal Japan would yeah so

22:42

not with that attitude no it depends what they do

22:44

and machine also said hope fatherhood is ground and all

22:46

the love to you both and the team from Essex

22:49

shout out to Essex I've never been I've been but

22:51

you know what if they're from Essex I trust that

22:53

it's a great place yes I hope it is as

22:55

well I know the word Wessex there's a Wessex boy

22:57

is this a thing that's a completely different place maybe

23:00

it is I have no idea a question from Paul

23:02

McSole who says if you could do a sit-down interview

23:04

with anyone in the industry over dinner who would it

23:06

be and where would you want to dine coffee with

23:08

Sam Lake burgers with Jennifer hail maybe tacos with kajima

23:11

what would you want to ask them be well

23:13

all of those choices by the way

23:15

I believe kajima you see that

23:17

video of him in the digger no

23:19

no no no no you know like sorry it's a

23:21

tractor you know when tractors have that big bit on

23:23

the front yeah it's like a big big bit that

23:25

gathers the dirt up yeah he was just riding in

23:27

that and he took a selfie video of himself and

23:29

he's just bouncing around in a little digger I think

23:32

kajima is almost a I think

23:34

kajima is almost a cheat answer right

23:36

because theoretically if you go out for

23:38

dinner with kajima you could end

23:40

up also going out for dinner with all of

23:42

those other people that were mentioned by Paul McSole

23:44

there because he's always out with celebrities always out

23:46

with people in the industry you'd probably be like

23:48

hey kajima we've gone out tonight and be like

23:50

oh sorry can we pal Norman Reed has come

23:52

along he's always like oh man I wanted someone

23:55

I want to know I don't want

23:57

to get motion captured into your game I just had to

23:59

go five minutes you're motion capturing someone. He's

24:01

got this motion capture sack that he keeps

24:03

putting over people every five minutes. Who

24:06

I want to sit down with in the industry, for me

24:08

it's actually, I'm going to go with Jeff Kirsman, who's

24:11

like veteran game critic, duty to work

24:13

for GameSpot, then Giant Bomb. Now he's

24:15

solo. I don't feel like veteran

24:18

game critics get their due. I find that.

24:20

As he's mentioned, or a lot of veteran

24:23

critics have mentioned, it's a young person's game.

24:26

A lot of the general setup in the industry

24:28

is geared towards a press that can be taken

24:30

advantage of in terms of embargoes, in terms of access

24:32

to the games themselves. You will go to this place

24:34

at this time, you will see this version of this

24:36

game and you will write a positive preview and then

24:39

we will give you a review on the day the

24:41

game comes out and you will say nice things because

24:43

then we'll share it. There's a whole thing

24:45

with that and people get burned out on it

24:48

and a lot of game critics, veteran critics, turn

24:50

to the game creation side itself or

24:52

the PR side. They go to the other side of

24:54

the thing and they go at it and they get

24:56

it. Just completely fine. There are some critics who are

24:59

still doing this and Jeff Kirsman is one

25:01

of my absolute favourites. It would either be

25:03

him or the rest of the Giant Bomb

25:05

people who all work at GameSpot as well

25:07

as Vinny Karabella, Brad Shumaker, Alex Navarro, just

25:10

all phenomenal minds. I

25:12

love all their perspectives. I listen to them every week.

25:14

I had Jeff Kirsman by himself or the other three

25:16

are part of the Nextlander crew. I love all those

25:18

guys. It will be my dream to see them in

25:20

the flesh or talk to them

25:22

or whatever. I think they just have so

25:25

much experience. They've lived through all these different

25:27

eras of games press, ridiculously

25:29

opulent press trips. When the Scarface

25:31

game was coming out and they flew

25:33

loads of journalists to Miami so they

25:35

could watch a mannequin body hang out

25:37

over a helicopter, which was a fake

25:39

death to advertise the game, or

25:42

when they paid for people who were to promote

25:44

Forza, they let them all drive Lamborghinis. Stupid stuff

25:46

like that. I find gaming industry press stories to

25:48

be fascinating and I would talk to those guys.

25:50

I love that. What a good answer. Before I

25:52

answer with mine, where would you take them though?

25:55

Where would you eat with them? For Pizza in

25:57

Pena Luma. Where

26:00

in America these of an office in Petaluma Adams

26:02

as yes I don't know where it is so

26:04

get somewhere in America outgoing have a place that's

26:07

interesting how him as a playwright I don't know

26:09

my by geography is up to the horrific so

26:11

it's it's somewhere in America Days of an office

26:13

in Petaluma when they all work together and time

26:16

bombs and they were talk about know he can

26:18

be pizza place back in the day I'll take

26:20

him to that pizza place but surveys and jackass

26:22

are you getting the full bomb your experience? This

26:24

is honestly I will I would have said and.

26:28

Bloody. Hell up to blanks is they'll

26:30

be by and been talked about of

26:32

in the previous video and he was

26:34

just mentioned that some way cause that

26:36

would be my pick. All could email

26:38

but I'm happy to be born and

26:40

pick people that poll have already mentioned

26:42

some gonna go for it. My third

26:44

choice. sorry Sam but it's a sound

26:46

bolo who mortality and made says to

26:48

her nori and made telling lies in

26:50

the Middle East. Really innovative live action

26:52

games and that's because. I

26:54

like movies as much as I games,

26:56

so I love the idea of talking

26:58

to him sitting down to the grout

27:01

one. How the hell he created the

27:03

script was something like immortality which is

27:05

so huge and we've in on itself

27:07

is so intricate. how did you not?

27:09

How did your mind did not explode

27:11

while trying to put something together nevermind

27:13

suited and make an estimated date? And

27:16

I think he's also English, which is

27:18

interesting to talk to someone about. how

27:20

they got into this industry. From that

27:22

perspective, where would I take him. On

27:24

the that's a country where fancy he can

27:27

take me somewhere and of to if he

27:29

wants to my fancy to eat So I'll

27:31

take him to the none doors and you

27:33

cast a spell have assumes that burger with

27:35

for I use that says lay in the

27:37

day and you've not even exist or not

27:39

Some answers your resume. Six of his mentor

27:42

us over different gone as has eaten yet

27:44

on the side that burger ships they garlic

27:46

break them feel it it's it's not the

27:48

broccoli style hawthorne to rain on those are

27:50

real honest I really want doom and we

27:52

we should set the ball Roll. And I want

27:54

to get food culture on the go. Mean. you

27:57

and the rest of the game and team and

27:59

manual says with a in with in Earshot has

28:01

so many food opinions and it's about time we've

28:03

profited from them. I feel like I might destroy

28:05

the world. I don't think we can do it

28:08

man. That's unleashing Pandora's

28:10

box upon the internet. The Yorkshire pudding discourse

28:12

from the other day where even that's not

28:14

universally like, so what are we doing? What?

28:17

What? I'd have Yorkshire puddings with Sambalo I

28:19

think. But as we established, not giant ones.

28:22

Giant ones suck ass. No, giant Yorkshire puddings

28:24

were the definition of a great idea that

28:26

should never have been done. The Jurassic Park

28:28

thing. Have they thought about whether

28:30

they could? No, whether they should. Bigger

28:32

is not always better. No. It just becomes like a weird pizza.

28:34

You've kind of got to like just cut it down. It doesn't

28:37

work. Question for him. What's

28:39

up, what's up, what's up? I've interrupted so I'm going

28:41

to have to finish it now. Aunt Bessie, she's made

28:44

a lot of great innovations in the cooking spie. No,

28:46

she's done alright with herself. She's made some great

28:48

staples. Giant Yorkshire, not one of them. No,

28:50

most of her standard Yorkshire pudding is not

28:52

that great either. Yeah, they're basic, aren't they?

28:54

You want to get the bespoke ones in

28:56

the UK, the ones from the cop. Well,

28:59

this is the thing. We were talking about

29:01

this yesterday. And no one mentioned making their

29:03

own. Making your own is top tea, actually.

29:05

That's number one. Everything else frozen or refrigerated

29:07

is second. Sometimes, I like the cop ones

29:09

where they're more like bespoke ones. They're rustic

29:12

ones, rustic Yorkshire puddings as they call them.

29:14

But the ones where you make them yourself

29:16

and they become like weird, towering, globulous

29:18

Resident Evil bosses. I don't really care about

29:20

them. No, I'm fine. I like

29:23

the ones that taste a bit like pancakes. Do

29:25

people in America know what Yorkshire Puddings are? I

29:27

doubt it. I don't know. I'm sure they don't

29:29

really have Yorkshire Puddings on Thanksgiving or anything like

29:31

that. No. So it's... Apparently,

29:33

no one in the UK does either. I mean, people

29:36

have talked about your Christmas dinner to get...Sigh, why? She

29:38

was slagging off the Yorkshire Pudd

29:40

for the Christmas dinner, tweeting about

29:42

it last year and she re-litigated that in the thread

29:44

because of the data. In fact, I think that's how

29:46

we started on the Yorkshire Puddings. It was.

29:48

It reminds me of those people, I say

29:50

people, subspecies humans who have beans on their

29:53

roast dinner. I don't do that,

29:55

but I would. Why would you do that? Beans rule, man. I

29:57

had a bowl of beans the other night just on its own.

30:00

Just with a spoon, eating it up. Bit

30:02

of salt and pepper in there. Have you

30:05

ever had bean juice? I would drink a

30:07

pint of it. I... I don't... I can't

30:09

do it! I can't do it.

30:11

A question from Emil West, who says, What elevates

30:13

a meal more, rice or spaghetti? My pick is

30:16

and always will be spaghetti. I

30:18

think you're right, though. Woah! I

30:20

can't help doing it anything, can we? What the

30:22

hell? Rice is so good! I'm

30:25

gonna be more confident that someone would say spaghetti

30:27

and then come in with a completely different word

30:29

to come out of that mouth. I love Japan,

30:31

rice. I suppose, yeah. When I was

30:33

in Japan, I had rice balls every morning. It was awesome. I've...

30:37

See, I'm not gonna say... Sit here and

30:39

pretend rice isn't great. I love rice. Rice

30:41

is awesome. In fact, I'm having a rice

30:43

moment right now. There you go. I never

30:45

really got into rice until a few years

30:47

ago. And now I'm... Got into rice. Yeah,

30:49

because like the question suggests, it's

30:51

usually one of the other, you know what I

30:53

mean? No, but how old are you? 29,

30:55

aye. Got into rice. Yeah! In

30:57

my mid-20s. In my mid-20s? Awesome. I

30:59

got into eggs in my early 20s, so... Why

31:02

not? It's been introduced apparently. It's because

31:04

if I'm gonna have something that you could have

31:06

rice on when it comes

31:08

to a meal, I'll always choose noodles instead.

31:10

Or I'll choose... Gae or something. Or chips

31:12

or something. It can be different. And I

31:15

never grew up eating Chinese takeaway either. So

31:17

maybe that was a big thing. We always

31:19

got Italian, so... Oh! I know,

31:21

I know, I know, I know. I was in... I didn't

31:23

live anywhere where I could get an Italian takeout until like

31:26

I moved out towards the coast where I

31:29

am now. But yeah, Italian takeaway. Italian and

31:31

Mexican. Two beautiful food groups. Well, this is

31:33

the thing, right? It was Italian in spirit,

31:36

but... The guys in there

31:38

were not... They were far from Italian. They

31:40

were some blokes who ran a betting shop,

31:42

I imagine. It's just a pizza place. It's

31:44

just pizza. Called the... It's called itself an

31:46

Italian. Luigi's. There's one in whole, which is

31:48

gorted, by the way. You said that too

31:50

many times now. Gonna lose this meaning. Called

31:52

Al Pacino's, which I love it when takeaways

31:54

just like... They're just like... We're

31:56

not gonna do a pun. No. just

32:00

whatever it is. You're gonna walk straight in,

32:02

Al Pacino. Like

32:04

what? But either way, you're saying Spaghetti

32:06

Alcee Rice will keep going. Question

32:08

from Volga Goblin who says, given Scott's tweet about Onomusha

32:10

the other day, if we do get a new Onomusha,

32:12

what do you prefer slash think is more likely? More

32:15

re-releases of the other games like they did the

32:17

original? Full remakes, Resident Evil 2 remake style? A

32:19

full reboot or a sequel? Have a lovely day, boys.

32:21

Yeah, you do. Have a lovely day, boys. Thank

32:23

you very much. Thank you. You do have a lovely

32:26

day as well, and a lovely weekend. Yeah. Into.

32:31

You keep catching me off guard today, but

32:33

this is very funny. Can you tell it's

32:35

my end of the week, can't you? I'm

32:38

off tomorrow. Tell me about Onomusha. I had

32:40

some chicken, and then we sat down in

32:42

this room. It's very warm. You're perspiring, so

32:44

you'll be getting less healthy by the minute.

32:46

You've got some water left, but not that

32:48

much. Onomusha, as

32:51

a front says, that I think just needs a full reboot

32:53

at this point, although they did try that with Onomusha Dawn

32:55

of Dreams, and no one bought that thing. So,

32:57

I don't know if you go

32:59

back to, you do another story

33:01

with Samonosuke, you bring Takeshi Kanashiro

33:03

back in. That would be

33:06

sick. I would rather they took the spirit of

33:08

that, and just hire, means

33:10

take someone who's known for martial arts,

33:12

and I'm blanking on the dude's name from the rave, but

33:16

someone like him, or Tony Jarr, or some

33:18

new age martial arts star, and

33:20

cast them in Onomusha, because you still had,

33:22

in Onomusha too, I'm blanking on

33:24

the name of the dude, who was the old

33:27

Japanese actor, and he played Jubei Agui in the

33:29

game, but he was an actor who

33:31

had passed away years prior, and they used his

33:33

face to be the face of the dude Onomusha

33:35

too. And then Onomusha 3, they got John Reno

33:38

in, and it was like they have this through

33:40

line idea of bringing celebrity faces in, like

33:42

do that for a new age audience,

33:45

and just kind of soft reboot it, and

33:47

yeah, use the RE engine, Resident Evil 2

33:49

remake style. They already remastered

33:51

the original Onomusha, they called it Onomusha Warlords,

33:53

I think, or Legends, and it

33:55

was on Switch, and nine times out of 10, when a studio does

33:58

that, it's to test the waters, to see if it'll sell well. enough

34:00

it clearly didn't otherwise something else would have been announced

34:02

by now because that was back in like 2020 or

34:04

whatever. But still I think if you do a really

34:06

cool trailer I think right now we're in a great

34:08

time for Japanese video games like Rise of the Runner,

34:10

Ghost of the Mirror, Sush of the Mirror, Soth of

34:12

the Screech Shadow. Why the hell not?

34:14

Now is the time for a demonic Japanese

34:17

game like that would be sick. On either

34:19

side of that do you think there are

34:21

some franchises in the gaming sphere that people

34:23

like you and I and the people who

34:26

lovingly throw in questions for this podcast love

34:28

but the time is just sort of past

34:30

and we don't have the name recognition. How

34:32

dare you? There's a Netflix show right there.

34:35

I'm not saying this is one but I

34:37

think of how much we love and talk

34:39

about legacy of Kane or even Perfect Dark

34:41

like we were talking about with an Xbox

34:45

showcase the other day with Ewan.

34:47

Like there's some franchises that you

34:49

think appeal to a

34:51

certain demographic but won't actually be touched in

34:53

a big way. I know people really really

34:55

want Capcom to do Dino Crisis again but

34:57

like is it big enough? I would love

35:00

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Right, now I'm gonna watch Tony Hawk try to teach

38:17

me how to Ollie properly. I'll

38:19

see you all soon. Don't... I'm

38:22

not saying like I agree with it, but I just

38:24

wonder from a business perspective if that's what he thinks

38:26

about. They definitely do. I mean, they're definitely over time.

38:28

It's called Dino Crisis. I don't know if you like

38:30

it, but I think there's always ways to modernize stuff.

38:33

I also... I mean, Dino Crisis was because the Jurassic

38:35

Park and World movies blew up so much and there's

38:37

not any dinosaurs in video games apart from Ark Survival

38:39

Evolved. So it's like that's such an open goal, Capcom,

38:41

and you have the tech already anyway. Like

38:44

I said with Onomusha, like there is the Netflix

38:46

show which was fine. It was so slow. Like

38:48

it just didn't feel like it really had the

38:50

Onomusha DNA. I just feel

38:52

like there's enough core ideas to the Onomusha lore

38:55

that you could... If anyone out there watches Onomusha

38:57

3's opening cinematic, that's what Onomusha should look like

38:59

now. Like that game's opening cinematic is the coolest

39:01

thing on the planet and they should just capitalize

39:04

on that vision of a video game. The

39:06

scale of it, the big bug-blurring size war

39:08

and all that kind of stuff. What would

39:10

yours be for the... I know

39:13

you were saying in terms of how they would do

39:15

Onomusha, what would you pick as a way of doing

39:17

so? I don't know man, because I don't have much

39:19

familiarity at all. What would make your eyebrow raise? Yeah,

39:22

full remake. I feel like that is an easy

39:24

way to get people who aren't fans of something

39:26

back in. I've popped big

39:28

for Final Fantasy 7 getting announced

39:31

as a fully-fledged remake, even though

39:33

I had no association with that.

39:36

But I think sometimes you can just get hyped

39:38

when other people are hyped, even if you don't

39:41

really know what the property was. I popped big

39:43

for killer instinct back in the day. Never

39:45

played that game before in my life. Barely knew what it was. So

39:47

I thought it was cool because other people were excited about it and

39:50

it was this whole game coming back. So I think if you

39:52

make enough fanfare and put enough money

39:54

and time into something and properly commit

39:56

to a big remake, you can broaden

39:58

your horizons and hopefully please the... people

40:00

who have been waiting for this stuff

40:02

forever, but also bringing newcomer idiots like

40:04

I, who let it pass

40:06

them by. Just do a new Onomusha.

40:08

I actually haven't even googled it to Kashi Kanashiro, he's

40:10

still alive, but I'm assuming he is the dude that

40:13

played Samonovsuke. Get him back in, let him

40:15

be the mentor, do the whole pasta torch thing, get a

40:17

new protagonist going. Like I said, they tried

40:19

that with Onomusha 4 back in the day and it didn't work, but maybe there's a way

40:21

to do it now. Kind

40:23

of like Devil May Cry with Nero coming after Dante. And

40:26

from Screwy Loops, who says with Hyperia opening

40:28

this Friday at Thorpe Park as the UK's

40:30

tallest and fastest roller coaster, it got me thinking I'd

40:33

love to know what the scariest rides are that you've

40:35

done. Are you more of a roller

40:37

coaster fan or are you both hold the bags kind

40:39

of men? I'm a hold the bag kind of man.

40:42

I will. I will. I

40:44

will. I will. That's the voice

40:46

I make when I go on a roller coaster. I

40:49

have shatrow on many a roller

40:51

coaster Scott, literally and metaphorically they

40:53

are. I've not been on One In A

40:56

While, it's not for me, but I had

40:58

a bad experience when I was young. When

41:00

I snuck on to a ride that

41:02

I was too small to

41:04

go on. Oh my god. It was

41:06

one way I had to lie down

41:09

on your tummy. So your horizontal. And

41:13

you were probably strapped in but in my memory you

41:15

kind of weren't. But there were definitely two handles you

41:17

had to hold on. Oh okay. When you

41:19

were in this little cage, rat in

41:21

a cage, and it would just go upside down

41:23

like a ferris wheel. But you were

41:25

like doing the Superman pose. You know what I mean? Oh

41:27

man I was too young to do that. It ruined me

41:29

for life. You snuck on. Aye,

41:32

the people running the ride didn't have a small

41:34

body over there. My dad's a bad influence. He

41:36

was like, you literally hold yourself up or put

41:38

something in your shoes to make yourself look big

41:40

or not. Put something in your shoes. I will

41:42

do that. I will do that. I'll get on

41:44

with you father. Okay daddy. He laughed

41:46

at me so much when I got off. I was

41:49

crying. I was shouting on that thing. And him

41:51

and my uncle were laughing at us. And I'm like,

41:53

I'm like, Aye you're old. You just traumatized me for life. Aye,

41:55

you know what you're doing. Aye, you should have seen old Josh. What

41:57

are you doing? I

42:00

could have slipped out and again in my memory probably

42:02

didn't happen but I feel like there was one moment

42:04

where it like I probably let go with one hand

42:06

and it felt like I was like yeah I was

42:09

gonna go flying out of the ocean which safer than

42:11

that But in my child's mind and in my memory

42:13

as I remember it So I never been a no

42:15

made a father rollercoaster So if you take it out

42:17

of rollercoasters, is that the scariest ride you've been on?

42:20

I think so second and To

42:23

that is just this kind of crap one in

42:25

them Lightwater Valley, I don't

42:27

know if you ever went there and it's

42:29

not too far away from Newcastle We used

42:31

to go with I think I have been old

42:33

Dips and stuff it's kind of like a bit

42:35

like flamingo land but that and wet and wilders

42:38

crossover in my mind Yeah, like it's it's a

42:40

more tin pot version of flamingo land where you've

42:42

got like animal attractions Then you've got some rides,

42:44

but they had a ride where it was like

42:46

a small roller coaster but it was indoors and

42:49

underground and it was all in pitch blackness and

42:52

It was one of those rides that's like

42:54

so janky and probably out of commission now

42:56

because of health and safety issues Where it

42:58

just hurts to be on it. Never mind

43:00

anything else being on that

43:02

rinky-dink sort of Ride

43:05

in the complete darkness. You don't know where drops coming. You

43:07

don't know when you've blown down You don't want it don't

43:09

mean speeding up Like that was another one where I just

43:12

thought I was getting back into rides and I went on

43:14

it and I was like actually I don't think these are

43:16

for me. I think for me and the scariest one that

43:18

I've been on My overall thing

43:20

with rollercoasters like anything like that I'm not necessarily a

43:22

thrill chaser, but I don't it's fun Like if something's

43:24

big and dumb and stupid as a ride I'm like

43:26

yeah, that's probably hilarious if we as long as I've

43:29

got someone to do it with I'm never bothered about going

43:31

by myself But I'll go with my best friend

43:33

or my wife or whatever And and just just

43:35

for the absolute lols of it and I always find

43:37

I was one of my fondest memories are Going on

43:39

big stupid roller coasters with some of my best friends

43:41

that I grew up with and we were in school

43:43

and in the years After and just screaming Metallica lyrics

43:46

just screaming heavy metal lyrics As

43:48

you go around screaming master by a master puppets

43:50

by Metallica and getting through it that way. That's

43:52

just really fun Scariest thing I've ever been on

43:54

and is I couldn't have I'm gonna describe this

43:57

very well But they usually have these it like

43:59

Download Festival or different festivals where it's one

44:01

giant, imagine one giant pole arm but the

44:03

pivot point is in the middle. Yeah,

44:05

I know what you mean. Yeah, it's almost like if you

44:07

imagine a clock face like 12 to 6, you've got the

44:09

one ball or down the middle but it's going to rotate

44:12

in the middle of that spoke and

44:14

two sets of two chairs on both sides of

44:16

the thing and it rotates really fast but the

44:18

chairs are loose so they can go upside down

44:20

whilst you are upside down way up in the

44:23

sky. That was the craziest thing I've

44:25

been on but that was also just

44:27

really fun because it's like I love when

44:30

you're on the

44:32

precipice of like I could die but then

44:35

you're like well, I'm sure it's well

44:37

made and that whole statistic of you more likely

44:39

to die in an airplane crash than you are

44:41

on a theme park ride. I'm like well this

44:43

is the moment where I'm checking it is like

44:45

when I'm in those moments but I quite like

44:47

the abandon of being like just on the edge

44:50

of my entire life is in this seat or

44:52

in this construct or whatever it is and I

44:54

just get to enjoy that thrill and not think

44:56

about anything else for a bit. There's something about

44:58

that that is ludicrously free. It's someone

45:00

who was as similarly scared of planes as

45:02

they were rides. That statistic did not help

45:05

but I was like what do you think

45:07

people will die from this? Yeah, I'll just

45:09

say it from both. Very scared. Final

45:11

Destination 3 also did not help because I thought

45:13

if anyone got their phone out especially it would

45:15

just destroy the roller coaster and I would be

45:17

dead and that thankfully has never happened but who

45:19

knows maybe going forward. It's always cool though like

45:21

the idea of going on with your pals and

45:23

you're trying something new and then you're up in

45:25

the air and you're like I had no idea

45:27

this was going to be so intense but I'm

45:29

up there now and I literally can't get off

45:32

so here we go. That exact ride you described,

45:34

obviously not the same one but another type of

45:36

that ride. I remember being at

45:38

a festival, I think it was Leeds Festival

45:40

one year and we used to go

45:43

on the Wednesday when there was no music

45:45

on like daily and all we have is

45:47

those amusements and those rides and I remember

45:49

having like too much to drink man like 12

45:51

pints or something ridiculous

45:53

and we got down to the amusements and my pals

45:55

were like do you want to go on that and

45:57

I was like are you taking the piss? What?

46:00

That's a nice rumor right there. If you get on,

46:02

even when you're not this drunk, say, I'm gonna

46:05

throw up Stanley Hill. You're doing it for it. And they

46:07

were like, nah, nah, nah, we're going on it. I watched

46:09

them do it. I held the bags, like the question asked.

46:11

And I watched them come off, I've never seen more people

46:13

devoid of liquid in their

46:15

body coming off that ride. They were done

46:17

for the night. They were not doing anything

46:19

else. And I was like, great, I'll just

46:21

drink by myself now. Oh, God.

46:23

I will say, actually, because I'm thinking back to my

46:25

history with theme parks and thrill tracing

46:27

stuff over the years, I spent so long,

46:30

because I was bullied a lot in first school, middle school,

46:32

I spent so long being afraid of doing anything, really, like

46:34

for the first few years of life in regards to something

46:36

like a roller coaster. It's like, well, I'm sure I'd hate

46:39

that so I'll not do it. And after a while, I

46:41

didn't know what age it would have been when I changed,

46:43

but I remember thinking, no, I'm just gonna steer into it.

46:46

And so, I don't know, I guess I'd encourage

46:48

someone to give it a shot. Because you are

46:50

putting your life in the hands of however good,

46:52

however well you think this particular construct is made.

46:54

But there is something freeing about going through with

46:57

that and just trying to enjoy it, and

46:59

trying to enjoy it. Keep your eyes open, just

47:01

scream, just shout, sing some lyrics, have some fun.

47:04

I really did love that when I started doing it.

47:06

I'd concur with you there, man. As someone who has

47:08

never really liked them, bear in mind, that's

47:10

because I'm riddled with anxiety and it's the anticipation

47:12

of the drop and the getting on it and

47:14

it's the worry that I've never liked. But I've

47:16

always liked, with the exception of that one I

47:19

went on when I was eight, once

47:21

you're on it and you're trapped in there and you're like, well, there's

47:23

nothing else I can do, it

47:26

does feel great. Every time I've been on one,

47:28

it's ruled. Yeah, also just scream through that. It's

47:30

just fun. You

47:32

can't scream in everyday life without someone coming running,

47:34

but you can on a theme park ride if

47:36

you need to. Yeah, but that also used to

47:38

stress me out, because how do they know what's

47:40

real and what's not in the emergency? They're just

47:42

gonna keep it going anyway. They know. Especially, man,

47:44

so, oh no, we move on from these theme

47:46

parks, but I came from, we're still,

47:50

still are from, never separated from it,

47:52

but from a crappy town in

47:56

a crappy village, right, essentially.

47:58

So the amusement. that I was

48:00

used to weren't like Thought Park or Uppers

48:02

Towers. They were like, they were run by

48:04

some of the dodgiest geezers you have ever

48:06

set eyes on in like, I love a

48:08

village fair. Like I'm the same as you,

48:10

like small scale towns, little village fairs. Those

48:13

weird, quote unquote rollercoaster, but it's just like

48:15

a donut shape with like three little mice,

48:17

like mouse cars that you can drive around. And

48:19

that's it. I love it. And you know, you

48:21

got to make a living. But I used to

48:23

be even young and look at these geezers and

48:25

think, you know my best interest at

48:28

heart here. I don't think you want to give me a good,

48:30

I'm going to be decapitated. I think you'd risk my

48:32

life for a fiver and away. And

48:34

question from gaming garnish who says got a question

48:36

for you. We asked on our recent podcast, what's

48:38

the best and worst sequel for me? It was

48:40

uncharted to and uncharted to objectively. Of course, he

48:42

asked for a tiny gaming podcast in the slightly

48:45

north, less north of England, very much inspired by

48:47

you legends. I love the content. I included this

48:49

because I wanted to shout out anyone who's getting

48:51

off the ground when it comes to new podcast.

48:53

Shout out to gaming garnish. You can

48:55

go, I just googled them before you can find

48:57

them immediately. They're everywhere. They're all over Amazon music,

48:59

etc. So go listen to them as well. Having not

49:01

seen that question, I'm going to have to check that

49:03

out when I leave work now. Thank you very much.

49:05

As it comes to the best and worst sequel, do

49:07

you think, let's go gut feeling. Best sequel ever. Good

49:09

feeling. Off the top of my head, Man Effect

49:12

2 or The Last of Us 2. Beautiful. Worst

49:14

sequel off the top of my head, Fable

49:16

3 or Assassin's Creed 3.

49:18

Best sequel Halo 2. Worst sequel on

49:21

my mind says Hellblade 2. Worst?

49:24

Yeah, it's not. My brain was not... Just

49:26

the most recent one. Yeah, only because we

49:28

filmed stuff. I'm actually sort of going to

49:30

think of bad sequels, to be honest. No,

49:32

I don't know. I'm going to stick with

49:34

Hellblade 2 for now, just because I can't

49:36

think of anything else. I think it's very

49:38

rare that a sequel is so bad you

49:40

just find nothing redeeming in it. I often,

49:42

like I said, I think of The Star,

49:45

try to find the best out of my

49:47

favourite franchises, but sometimes something drops and you're

49:49

like, nah, that is nice. No, you just

49:51

made it worse. Question from Stefan Moore who

49:53

says, question for DaddyTale, but what's been your, the baby

49:55

is now asleep by for 20 minutes to play a game.

49:57

I thought you should answer this as well in terms of

49:59

like say you had to have some sort of small

50:03

noise machine-esque scenario that goes off every few minutes

50:05

and it only gives you 20 minutes

50:08

to play a game, what are you playing? One

50:10

game of Warzone, I would hope

50:12

that the constant gunfire and machinery of that

50:14

game would help the child do with

50:17

itself and also, hey, sometimes you just want to jump

50:19

on with the boys and I can kind of, in

50:21

theory you'll be able to tell me, but hold a

50:23

baby in my arm and then look at my arm

50:25

and still be able to... It depends on the age.

50:28

Alright. Now that my

50:30

child is a bit older, and it's only coming up

50:32

on two months, but they have had growth spurt and

50:34

they do take up more of my arm. I never

50:36

reliably could hold a controller very well, it depends if

50:38

they fully go to sleep in my lap, but

50:41

nine times out of ten it's both arms I'm holding

50:43

them with or maybe it's just one on the side.

50:45

So I played quite a bit of Marvel Snap on

50:47

the first couple of weeks of my kid being here

50:49

and then hilariously with Hillblade 2, that game's accessibility options

50:51

let you put the combat into automatic so then all

50:53

you need to do is hold up on the analog

50:55

stick, the game plays itself in the combat and you

50:57

just need to wander around and do some of the

51:00

puzzles outside of that. But

51:02

in terms of something that I've been getting through in chunks,

51:04

it's just been Final Fantasy 8, it's just been stuff that's

51:06

on the Switch because it's just so much easier to be

51:08

with the kid, whatever room they're in, whatever they're going through

51:10

and then to pick up the Switch, do a little bit,

51:13

okay I can pause that, like it's fine. So

51:16

it's anything like that. Things that are

51:18

kind of run based, like Balato's been incredible as well

51:20

because it's just so easy, I have a few games

51:22

of Balato and then things like that. Yeah it would

51:24

have been good for you with Hades 2 with Unconsole,

51:26

I feel like that would have been the perfect game

51:28

of just being able to hop in, 20 minutes, do

51:30

a run, see how far you get, okay I'll revisit

51:33

this later on. Also 20 minutes is

51:35

wishful thinking, it's usually like 3 or 4

51:37

before they steer again. I'm so surprised you

51:39

managed to get through all of Hillblade, I

51:41

did not expect that at all. That

51:44

was literally the case of me and my wife playing Hoppotator with our own

51:46

child, being like okay you hold him for a bit, okay I'll do this,

51:48

then you do this and we'll get through it that way. But

51:51

still, question from Crisis Among Infinite Darts who

51:54

says if Joward Leto had to appear as

51:56

a secret boss, ask himself which unlucky game

51:58

or game series would you have? him

52:00

in. It really would be unlucky as well

52:02

wouldn't it? It really would. I feel like

52:05

he's a Far Cry villain. I feel like

52:07

Jared Leto was a Far Cry villain. He'd methadact the crap

52:09

out of a Far Cry villain when he'd that would be.

52:11

Oh I should get it, if he's appearing as himself where

52:13

it's just like this is just him. Oh Jared Leto's just

52:15

turning up. Yeah yeah yeah. I think he could still be

52:17

a Far Cry villain. He's a cult leader anyway. He'd

52:20

get right in your face Far Cry style and

52:22

you'd want to take him down. Yeah I think

52:24

you're right. I think. I'll attach bang. Yeah

52:28

Far Cry 7 Jared Leto but it's just Jared Leto on

52:30

his own. I'd prefer circa 2018, 2017 when he had the

52:32

big massive pink mohawk in the

52:36

brown trench coat. See I was thinking his current era

52:38

with the long hair because he kind of looks like

52:40

Joseph. Joseph Seed from Far Cry 5. Joseph Seed from

52:42

Far Cry 5. Yeah he's got all that vibe to

52:44

him now already anyway. Yeah definitely Far

52:46

Cry or maybe some sort of weird ghost recon villain

52:48

that needs to be extracted from a church. That's

52:53

right. I mean shot in the face. Going

52:56

in for the kill. Hey hey. Very

52:58

good. This is war you say

53:01

as you run in. He's closer to the edge of

53:03

that guy. You could just start saying phrases and I'd

53:05

assume they were songs. That's all I've got. There's four

53:07

30 seconds of our songs that I know. Question from

53:09

Hedera Bra. Oh this is a long question. We've so

53:11

much time we've got. Thoughts on IGN's

53:13

swallowing up all the competition really is a bummer

53:15

to see what's going on across the gaming industry

53:17

with all the closures and consolidation. Also is there

53:20

a local discord or fan community somewhere. There used

53:22

to be back when Rich and Rach were here

53:24

they used to look after the discord. I have no

53:26

idea if that thing's still going or not. I imagine

53:28

not. I imagine not. So no there's not right now.

53:30

If I understood more of our discord I would do

53:32

something with that but also all my free time to

53:34

take it up. So sadly not. The nearest thing we

53:37

have to a fan community is all this stuff. It's

53:39

the UBP. It's people checking out the Twitter every week

53:41

sending in questions etc. I like the idea of doing

53:43

more with all this but it's not something I'm posting

53:45

going to be able to do anytime soon. That's it.

53:47

It's one of those annoying things where I've got so

53:50

many ideas for more community driven stuff like I really

53:52

want to get streams back up and running.

53:54

I think that would be really cool

53:56

and a cool way to interact with

53:58

everyone but it's annoying. just

54:00

a resource issue isn't it?

54:02

I mean how much like we sometimes barely

54:05

fit the podcasts in. I was just saying

54:07

it's resources for pure time. That's it right.

54:09

If I had unlimited time I'd get those

54:11

things set up in a heartbeat but it's

54:13

like yeah between for us at least between

54:15

the news the podcast you run the channel

54:17

and the voiceovers it's just like days are

54:19

already packed. It's like trying to write out

54:21

of the article. Trying to write out of

54:23

the article. Finding the article. Think of the

54:25

article during the thumbnails. Anyway we won't

54:27

bore you with the extensive things. The reality of running

54:29

a content business. Exactly but yeah

54:33

I want to find some way this year to push

54:35

some of those to the side or at least

54:37

postpone them to get more community driven things up

54:39

and running because the UBP in particular is always

54:42

fun for me to guest on. Yeah

54:44

man. I love doing that and obviously

54:46

meeting people in real life absolutely rules. Being able to

54:48

talk to you guys whether it's bumping into you with

54:50

gigs. How does it say finding a shout in your

54:52

ear, paramo lyrics that you've heard for two hours. Finding

54:54

a photo of yourself with a fan in the morning

54:56

and going I don't even remember doing that. But I'm

54:59

hoping I was lovely when we met each other at

55:01

four in the morning. I'm going to slam dunk this

55:03

week and I hope I'm going to be in good

55:05

behaviour. I'm not going to drink much so I

55:07

won't wake up with a fear afterwards if I

55:09

don't drink to anyone. Yeah I'll be holding the

55:11

bag if anyone because I usually bump into some

55:13

very extremely nice people in slam dunk but then

55:15

I'm also worried because even if I had one

55:17

pint I'm like oh I came across really bad.

55:19

Oh no look at that. I hate me now.

55:22

Just go on the roller coaster with them. It'll

55:24

be a nice time. Yeah the whole IGN thing

55:26

have you seen all this? Yeah I have. It's

55:28

a bummer man. It really is I think. I

55:31

don't love any consolidation

55:34

or monopolisation on this scale

55:36

anyway but it sucks even more than a

55:38

lot of the outlets

55:40

I think that have been

55:42

taken over are European based or

55:44

UK based and to homogenise those

55:47

voices and especially to buy those

55:49

outlets and then lay people off immediately I

55:52

just think is absolutely criminal. And

55:54

yeah I struggle to find a silver lining

55:56

with all this stuff. Obviously wish people who

55:58

are still a part of it. of that

56:00

new ownership well, especially, and I

56:02

don't think we should slide off the people

56:05

at IGN who are doing excellent work. It's

56:07

horrible of their heads. Absolutely. It's not their

56:09

decision. It's like Xbox and Microsoft, right? We

56:11

can criticize Microsoft, but we still want the

56:13

Xbox showcase to do well. We wanted the

56:16

theory to do well. That is absolutely the

56:18

case here, but it's a surprise. I

56:22

think across the board, our sales included, especially

56:24

now we're part of this big company as well, man. It's

56:27

just... Ziff Davis, we're part of Future.

56:29

Oh, yes. Just to be crystal

56:31

clear. To be crystal clear. Not that company. No,

56:33

but we have all been through a confrontation thing.

56:35

Yeah, absolutely. Like, it's just... It's

56:38

worrying, man. I feel

56:40

like every element of the gaming industry, from

56:42

the devs to the publishers to the marketers

56:44

to the community managers to the people who

56:46

write about games and publicize games, it's like

56:49

they're always getting hit. And I know everyone is across

56:51

the world, absolutely. It's a privilege to have this job,

56:53

but when you're in it, like we are every day,

56:56

you're looking around thinking, oh,

56:59

my god. I think like,

57:01

it's weird. It's

57:04

weird. I never really thought of

57:06

the games press side having various acquisitions

57:08

and gobbling up quote unquote the competition.

57:11

Funnily enough, I mentioned Jeff Gerson before. He was weighing

57:13

in on this on his podcast, saying that when he

57:16

got acquired, there were different acquisitions over the

57:18

years, whether it be GameSpark,

57:20

the CBS stuff, things like that

57:22

where they got acquired. And he said he

57:25

used to be a lot more thinking

57:27

that worse things would come from this in terms of, okay, they're

57:29

buying the competition to shut them down. And

57:31

his managers at the time saying, no, we're buying the

57:34

competition to put more adverts everywhere. It only

57:36

benefits the people at the very top. So I guess we'll see what

57:38

happens with the people that I've... Well, Ziff

57:40

Davis have hovered up. But

57:42

it feels weird. It's just a strange

57:44

vibe, like sort of putting all those

57:46

voices together. But I

57:48

guess, I mean, when you really think about it,

57:50

like I said, Future own us. They also own

57:52

GamesRadar, TechRadar. Like there's

57:55

a bunch of other voices under the

57:57

Future umbrella and they have nothing to do with us

57:59

in terms of what we're saying. or what we're saying. Absolutely.

58:02

You need to be fair. I'm not saying, again, this is

58:04

not the same situation, but I want

58:06

to sort of stress because I don't want them to get

58:08

mixed up. It appear like

58:10

I'm talking about IGN but secretly

58:12

talking about us. And I was

58:14

like, honest, like future since

58:16

we got bought out, like I've, you're

58:19

my boss now and it's the best period for

58:21

you. I got this laptop. You got this laptop,

58:23

absolutely, of like, there are good things that can

58:25

come from these things. Absolutely. I

58:28

just think this is... And layoffs always start. I

58:30

mean, yeah. That's the thing. We

58:32

were lucky enough to not have any layoffs when

58:35

we were purchased. So to see this

58:37

happen and these acquisitions get made

58:39

and that instantly layoffs, instantly restructuring

58:41

that is we've been in a

58:44

few, I guess, potentials

58:46

where the company might be getting sold by a bigger

58:48

company or we might be staying private in the past.

58:50

And it's always the worst case scenario has always been

58:52

like, but what do they want to do? Do

58:55

they want to come in and change things and cut

58:57

staff and just have the name or do they want

58:59

to... Are they happy with the company as in?

59:02

In this case, it seems like they weren't happy

59:04

with the company as is. And I just feel

59:06

like you lose those voices, you lose that talent.

59:09

It's the same as in game dev where you

59:11

lose a lot of veterans and then all you

59:13

have are juniors who are of course talented, but

59:15

you need those people who are veterans to

59:17

help guide things and help make change

59:19

and help keep standards high and impart

59:21

wisdom. Like I couldn't do this job if

59:24

I didn't have you or people at both me who had done

59:26

it a lot

59:28

longer than I had to impart that wisdom and

59:30

get me into a place where hopefully I can

59:32

now impart that to anyone else who comes through

59:34

and that experience like that is so valuable and

59:36

if you're missing that by cutting these people across

59:39

the board, I just think that is in

59:42

the long term going to have

59:44

annoyingly negative effects on the

59:46

industry across the board. It

59:49

also feels like just really bad business. Like we're going

59:51

to hoover up all these different companies, all these different

59:53

positions and we're immediately going to cleave off all these

59:55

different parts of it. So it's like you're not

59:57

really acquiring. Like you take your pilferer.

59:59

rather than, you know, you're taking bits and pieces and

1:00:01

you're leaving other things to the side. Yeah,

1:00:04

it's a weird, weird beam. And I feel like

1:00:06

overall where we're at in human history 2024, going

1:00:08

forward, it is

1:00:10

the era of the consolidation of the acquisition. I

1:00:13

always remember in Fight Club when the main

1:00:15

character joked about the idea of Planet Starbucks

1:00:17

going forward. And I was like, given a

1:00:19

long enough time frame, probably,

1:00:21

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1:00:23

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1:00:25

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1:00:28

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1:00:30

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1:00:32

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1:00:35

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1:00:37

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1:00:39

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1:00:41

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1:00:43

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1:00:46

some people have find that model, other people aren't,

1:00:49

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1:00:51

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1:00:53

businesses of that scale, like you become, as

1:00:56

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1:00:58

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1:01:01

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1:01:03

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1:01:05

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1:01:08

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1:01:10

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1:01:13

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1:01:15

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1:01:17

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1:01:19

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1:01:22

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1:01:24

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1:01:27

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1:01:29

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1:01:31

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1:01:33

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1:01:35

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1:02:24

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1:02:30

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1:02:33

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