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2:17

it's Conrad Thompson and you're listening to

2:19

What Happened When? With

2:21

the voice of your childhood, Tony

2:23

Schiavone. Tony, what's going on man?

2:25

How are you? Conrad,

2:28

what's up man? How you doing? Is

2:30

this your George Napolitano? No,

2:33

no, that's how you doing. Hey,

2:35

doing. Hey, doing. Hey, look

2:38

at the bug buddy. He just hanging

2:41

out. I closed

2:43

the gate. Not going to have the beagles

2:46

fighting the background here because

2:48

anyway. Man,

2:50

I'm great. I'm

2:54

excited to be here. It's been an

2:56

interesting week or so in the, in

2:58

the week of professional wrestling, lots

3:01

of news and notes going around, of

3:04

course, mostly on the WWE side. But

3:07

Hey, we should mention you guys had a heck

3:09

of a rampage, a heck of a dynamite, and

3:11

more importantly, a heck of a collision. I

3:13

really enjoyed that FTR and house of

3:15

black match. And it feels

3:18

like you guys have been putting on some great

3:20

shows lately. And of course, we're all sort of

3:22

looking towards Greensboro. It's going to be here before

3:24

you know it. I know it looks

3:26

like on paper, stings last match has sold

3:28

out a few times, but

3:30

you guys keep opening up a few tickets

3:32

for production kills. What do you think the total

3:34

capacity is going to be there for the stingers

3:36

last dance at revolution in Greensboro, Tony? Well

3:39

I think it's going to be over 15,000. I

3:42

know that. And the

3:44

building holds, I

3:47

recall and I haven't looked it up,

3:49

but if I recall the Greensboro Coliseum

3:52

is a gigantic building because it's kind of

3:54

been the home of the ACC tournament for

3:56

years and they opened up they actually years

3:58

ago from the. From

4:01

the Greensboro Coliseum that I used to go

4:03

and watch wrestling in in

4:05

the 70s is much the same

4:07

building, but it's much bigger now they increased it.

4:10

Yes, I think they put another level on it. I

4:13

think we're going to have just about every

4:15

seat sold out that that

4:18

can be sold out because you know,

4:20

we got the big screen right and

4:23

there's there's obviously some seats that have that will

4:25

have to be blocked because of production. But

4:27

I think we're going to have over 15, maybe

4:29

like 17,000. Wow.

4:32

In there. So it's going

4:34

to be one of the biggest crowds that that

4:36

I've ever been a part of in Greensboro. And

4:41

I'm looking forward to it for many

4:43

reasons, obviously,

4:45

because of Sting and

4:48

it'd be in his last match. And

4:51

because Greensboro means a lot to me. Yeah,

4:53

it means a lot to me and my

4:55

fandom. So really, really excited

4:58

about about that. It's

5:00

almost upon us to it really is.

5:03

It's almost here. So a

5:05

lot of the excitement about that. Yes, the shows have been good. Really.

5:11

I really think. I

5:14

really think that collision has been great.

5:16

Yes, it has

5:18

been. It's they've been great shows and

5:20

I'm just I'm just really

5:22

excited about after we do

5:24

the shows. I'm thinking that was a damn good

5:27

show and not saying

5:29

it's not saying overall. It's a

5:31

better show than dynamite, but it times it

5:33

is a better show. Some

5:36

weeks it is a better show and it's just in the

5:38

natural course of things that happens like that. And

5:41

some weeks dynamite is a better show. But I think we've been.

5:44

I've been very, very happy about collision and and I may have said

5:46

this to you before. I

5:49

really enjoy working with Kevin Kelly and

5:51

Nigel. Oh, great. Really do. Really,

5:54

really do. We've

5:58

really developed a friendship and we get a lot of people.

6:00

with each other and

6:02

because I do

6:04

a lot of announcing on, on

6:07

collision. I don't

6:09

really do that much backstage at

6:12

collision. Tony told me, he said, just be an announcer on

6:14

those days. So I kind of go back

6:16

and stay in the announcers room entire

6:18

day without running around

6:20

being a pain in the ass like I normally am.

6:23

So, uh, those

6:25

are good days. I enjoy, I really enjoy

6:27

Saturdays, really enjoy Saturday. I

6:30

just, uh, I couldn't help it. I had to throw

6:33

it in my Google machine and see, Hey, how many

6:35

people were at the first Starrcade 1983 in Greensboro 15,447

6:37

the next year? Also

6:43

Greensboro, the Starrcade 84 million dollar

6:45

challenge, 16,000 for that one. Uh,

6:49

and then of course 85 is where we

6:51

did two shows, uh, both the

6:53

Omni and in Greensboro. They

6:55

estimated around 30,000 for that. But

6:58

maybe the thing that shocked me the most, we

7:01

all sort of look back so

7:03

lovingly and maybe with Rose colored glasses

7:05

on that first clash of the champions. It

7:08

was a star making performance by Sting and

7:10

Rick flair, 45 minutes, time limit draw

7:13

heads up for the world title against

7:16

WrestleMania, only

7:18

6,000 people were at that first clash. So

7:22

when you think about it, you're going from 6,000

7:24

for the first. Coming

7:27

out party in Greensboro, if you will,

7:29

for Sting, he's going to wrap

7:32

it up with 16,000 that

7:34

really puts into context. I think

7:37

where WCW was then and maybe

7:40

where a W is now, and maybe

7:42

more importantly, how beloved Sting is today

7:44

in 2024. Exactly.

7:48

There's also another factor. I

7:50

really, when I hear that number 6,000 for

7:52

the, uh, or

7:55

the clash of the champion. It was also on. TV.

8:03

Starrcade was not. And

8:05

here's another thing, there was, and

8:07

I felt it, I didn't know the

8:10

numbers, but I felt it. When

8:12

Jim Crockett removed

8:15

Starrcade out of Greensboro. And

8:19

he had by that time because Starrcade had been

8:21

in Chicago in 87. That's

8:23

right. The

8:25

people in Green, the people, the old mid-Atlantic people

8:27

were kind of pissed off. They

8:31

felt like it had become, it had

8:34

ceased to become, which it had a regional,

8:37

their regional, their own mid-Atlantic promotion

8:40

and now became a national one. And

8:42

I compare it to, I

8:44

compare it to NASCAR starting

8:47

to go everywhere but the South. NASCAR really

8:49

alienated a lot of fans in the South.

8:52

And if you go, if you look now and

8:55

take a look at the, take

8:57

a look at the people that come

8:59

to NASCAR racist, they don't draw like

9:01

they used to draw. They really don't.

9:04

And the reason is, is because they started

9:07

going to Vegas, Chicago,

9:10

Phoenix, Kansas

9:13

City, they started becoming

9:15

a national entity, a

9:18

national sport instead of a

9:20

Southern sport. And it was

9:23

written about a lot when

9:25

it first happened about how this is

9:28

going to alienate the fans in the South. And

9:30

of course, you know, fans get older, fans die off

9:32

and new fans come in and I get it. But

9:35

I think NASCAR had done that. And I think,

9:38

I think Jim Crockett promotions alienated the

9:40

South by trying to go

9:42

national and it was the right thing to do to try

9:45

to go national. So I'm not saying

9:48

we shouldn't have done it, but I think

9:50

that's, I think the 6,000 is

9:52

a part of that, part of that process.

9:56

Well, a part of the process that you

9:58

enjoy getting ready for. dynamite every

10:00

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10:02

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10:05

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PPR too, because it's WHW and that's what we

12:33

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12:35

lot of fun as we celebrate 40 years

12:38

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12:40

been watching some old classic

12:42

moments. And today we're watching an

12:44

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12:46

to be watching nitro from July 8th, 1996. The

12:51

nitro is not quite yet a year old.

12:53

Uh, we're getting cranked up in the

12:56

middle of the, the entire NWO angle.

12:58

Mash at the beach has just happened. Hulk Hogan

13:01

has just turned his back on the fans. You

13:04

have just told Hulk Hogan you can go straight to

13:06

hell. Uh, this is an

13:08

exciting time in WCW and in your

13:10

career, right? Yeah,

13:13

I thought it was, we're coming

13:15

off of what I thought was an incredible

13:17

show. What I thought was, and

13:19

when we go back and we look at that and we

13:21

have, we've looked at the turn by Hulk

13:23

Hogan at a bash at the beach. Uh,

13:27

it was maybe one of

13:29

the best heel turns ever. Maybe

13:32

the best heel turn ever. When you think

13:34

about who Hulk Hogan was up until that

13:36

time. And we went back and we looked

13:38

at it and we thought, holy

13:41

shit, he did a great job

13:43

on that. Um, he

13:45

really, uh, he really dove into it and

13:48

became a Hollywood Hogan and obviously that

13:53

set, uh, set the territory on fire

13:55

as the old guys would say, but

13:57

it was a great time. It was a great time to be.

14:01

in, uh, in WCW

14:03

and, uh, and

14:05

I felt really excited about being a part of it. I,

14:09

we had a lot of fun back then. It

14:11

was, wouldn't last long, but we had a lot of fun

14:13

back then. It was a 15

14:15

year run for Hulk Hogan as a baby

14:18

face. It feels longer than that to me,

14:20

but I don't know. I guess that,

14:22

I guess that makes sense when you think about 1996 and you go

14:25

back 15 years to 81. Okay.

14:27

Yeah. But when I just think about 15

14:29

years, then like 81 to 96, I guess, cause

14:33

I was born in 81 feels like

14:35

forever. But like now

14:39

in 2009, that didn't feel like that long

14:41

ago. You know what I mean? Like it's

14:43

weird how time changes as you

14:45

get a little older and, um, we're

14:49

getting a little older here on the show. So

14:52

I thought, Hey, maybe go ahead.

14:54

I'm sorry to interrupt you. I've told you that story

14:56

about how time does

14:58

really change as you get older. Um,

15:02

so again, okay. I'll tell it again.

15:05

I, uh, I was talking to, um, a psychologist

15:08

one time about this. Uh,

15:11

he said the older you get

15:13

the faster time goes. And

15:17

I said, how is that possible? He

15:19

said, here's, here's what I mean. When

15:22

you are 10 years

15:25

old, you're

15:27

10 years old. Half of your

15:29

life is five years. Yes.

15:32

Okay. When you're 40 years old, half

15:35

your life is 20 years. So

15:37

20 years, when

15:40

you're 40 years old, 20

15:42

years goes by about same

15:44

speed. That 10, five years goes by when

15:47

you're 10. So

15:50

it, it, it kind of makes sense because

15:53

so the older you are, the faster time

15:55

goes. So

15:58

now you were 15. back in

16:00

eight and 96, right? That's right. Yeah. Okay.

16:03

15 back in 90. So, uh, half

16:07

of that is like, what, seven and a half years,

16:09

right? Yeah. Okay.

16:12

Now you're 41 42 42 that's 21 years. Yep.

16:18

Okay. So now 21 years has

16:20

gone by at the same speed to you at

16:23

seven and a half years went by when you were watching

16:26

this show. How

16:28

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16:30

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16:33

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I feel like we should go ahead and say

18:16

right now, if you're

18:18

looking for us to talk about the news, uh,

18:20

there's plenty of other shows that are going to be doing that

18:22

this week. We want to be your escape today. Uh,

18:25

so I'm not saying we'll never talk about it, but

18:27

I am saying I had enough of it between talking

18:29

about it with Eric Bischoff on 83 weeks and talking

18:31

about it with Jeff Jarrett on my world. How

18:34

about we just watch a little wrestling

18:36

and have a little fun today? Can we do that Tony?

18:39

Yeah, we can. We, we've got a

18:41

lot of fans who've joined us so far.

18:44

Uh, we appreciate, uh, Aaron Sheen

18:46

being with us. We appreciate, uh,

18:48

Greg Jacobson. Uh, we

18:50

appreciate that. Uh, coach Keith, uh, is

18:52

awake and we,

18:54

uh, my, my girl Brooke

18:57

McGaugh is with us as well. And

19:00

Aaron said, I can't wait to hear Tony's

19:02

thoughts on Vince. Well, my thoughts on all

19:05

of this is very simple in that it's

19:08

very sad. I'm

19:11

saddened by all of it. Uh,

19:13

and that's honestly the way

19:15

I feel. What more can

19:17

I say? Well,

19:20

let's have a little fun. Uh, yeah, that's

19:23

what, what happened. When supposed to be

19:25

a relief and escape from your reality

19:27

and looking at old wrestling and busting

19:29

balls and cracking jokes with our friends.

19:31

And, uh, I thought maybe we could

19:33

use a little help from a friend. How about that today,

19:35

Tony? Well, we

19:37

do have friends. You want to introduce

19:39

our very special guests. Yeah,

19:42

I'm going to introduce our special guest who's going

19:44

to watch a this nitro edition with us. I

19:48

didn't know, I didn't know Ethan until.

19:51

Until I, he started working in, uh,

19:53

in AW, but man, uh,

19:56

he can wrestle. He can talk. He's

19:58

a very talented. guy that I've come

20:01

to know and appreciate. Uh, I gave him

20:03

a hard time. Uh, I give everybody a

20:05

hard time, but, uh, he's one

20:07

of our most talented guys. And anybody

20:10

who's in AW would tell you he's one of the most

20:12

underrated guys that we have, ladies and gentlemen,

20:14

all ego Ethan Page is with us. Hey

20:17

now, welcome to the

20:19

program. Mr. Page, how are you, sir? Uh,

20:23

I'm smitten after that introduction, but

20:25

good. I'm doing good. Well,

20:28

we appreciate you coming on and taking some time with

20:30

us and we're going to be watching an

20:33

old school nitro to get today together, uh,

20:35

July 8th, 1996. Where

20:38

were you at in your fandom here in the summer of 96

20:40

dude? Uh,

20:43

I was full blown WWF fan. Okay.

20:49

If I have to be blunt and honest, uh,

20:52

WCW wasn't like huge for me. I

20:54

don't know if it was because I was Canadian

20:56

or it was like a regional thing, or

20:59

if my fandom just really leaned

21:01

into the rock

21:03

and nobody else. Right. Yeah.

21:08

So for me, like I might be

21:10

watching this episode for the first

21:12

time. Oh, wow. Okay. I like that.

21:14

Yeah. That's tremendous. I really think, I

21:16

think when you say, and I

21:18

believe there's a lot of truth in this. When

21:21

you say regional, I believe a lot

21:23

of fandom was regional back

21:25

then. Yeah. Like for us, like TSN,

21:28

I mean, even just now for

21:30

people to watch AEW, there's

21:32

a difference of like where you live, at

21:34

least country wise, like how to

21:36

be able to watch our shows back then, who

21:38

knows? Like, I don't know where it was airing

21:41

in Canada. I was joking, uh, before

21:44

doing this with Derek about trying to

21:46

remember if it aired at all, or

21:48

if it aired on the Tuesday at

21:50

like four o'clock when I got

21:52

back from school, I was, I remember flipping

21:55

back and forth between a book or

21:57

team match and like whatever was on during

21:59

raw. They are was not on a Monday.

22:02

It was very bizarrely out have to you to catch

22:04

a replay and figured out in. My. Parents

22:06

didn't keep up with like. The. Tv

22:08

Guide or to tell me at that age like

22:10

whole hate. Wrestling. Zoc as they did

22:12

want me to wants to the first plus saw

22:14

a of. Us:

22:16

Are you want my kids watch it? Either

22:18

believe it or not. Really? Really. Oh yeah,

22:21

look he others is a story. We were.

22:23

Last. Night when when we worked in,

22:25

when I worked for Vince and now.

22:28

In. At night eighty Nine, Los and I

22:30

went to a Broadway show. We. Had

22:32

this girl at work for us. Who. Cap

22:34

All five kids in. the kids were very young back

22:36

then. Ah,

22:39

Gotta. Call as will come home.

22:42

Of. And the call

22:44

was that. One. Are

22:47

the kids split their head open? and

22:49

of gonna be okay to have taken to the

22:51

emergency room but there's lot of blood in the

22:53

foyer. And. Why was that?

22:55

Because the kids were wrestling in the front

22:58

for your. And. Chris picked up one

23:00

of twins and body slammed him. Boom!

23:02

And twins were like. They

23:04

were like two years old back then. And.

23:07

Up as probably would have the one of them. It's

23:10

her head hard and that's where they are now. About

23:12

that. But.

23:17

Lowest said no more rustling.

23:19

Okay, I don't care of you. Daddy

23:21

is on. No. More wrestling. And

23:24

so we. We didn't want the kids to

23:26

watch it because we had four boys and

23:28

it. Would. Get them to fight. So.

23:32

We. We try to. But. We really

23:34

good and damning As the older they got, they

23:36

just really leaned into him. In

23:39

here we are today. Do you

23:41

think sorry I'm not to avoid pushing? play

23:43

on as But do you think. As.

23:46

A parent because you told your kids

23:48

not to and made them want to

23:50

more. Yeah. That

23:52

that I am sure it did. And

23:55

I am sure the fact that all the

23:57

kids knew that it of. Their.

23:59

dad was TV and all

24:01

that stuff. Right. Yeah, that's

24:03

what I'm trying to find the balance now with

24:05

my two kids. Like my son is just throwing

24:08

himself around. The thing

24:10

I dislike though, is he's not the

24:12

one doing the offensive maneuvers. This

24:15

invisible wrestler is kicking the crap out of

24:17

my son. He's just

24:19

throwing himself everywhere. He loves the entrances

24:22

and all that stuff. So I'm like, oh

24:24

great, now my kids are obsessed with this. I'm like, if I

24:26

tell them no, they're just gonna love it

24:28

even more. So I think I'm just going to be a

24:30

little hands up and hope they find out

24:32

they'd rather be a doctor. Yes. There

24:36

you go. Don't get into pro wrestling

24:38

guys. Well, that's

24:41

what I told Matt Schiavone. That's stupid. And

24:44

now here he is. And now there he is.

24:49

Well, let's do it, man. We've got

24:51

a very special episode here. The night

24:53

after the wrestling world changed, Hulkamania seemingly

24:55

has died. Tony Schiavone

24:57

has told Hulk Hogan to go straight to hell.

24:59

And this is the nitro the next day. They

25:02

were in Daytona beach. They made the hour

25:04

long drive over to Orlando. This

25:07

is the outdoor series of shows in

25:09

Orlando. These are free tickets, about

25:11

600 fans who were here. And

25:14

as a reminder, the reason this is happening

25:16

the way it is, is the Olympics

25:18

are in Atlanta. So

25:20

a lot of the production crew that

25:22

would normally be working WCW shows, they

25:24

were actually working the Olympics. Right,

25:28

Tony? Yes. Great.

25:31

Okay. If you want to give

25:33

us a countdown, we'll play here. Hold on. Hold

25:36

on a second. That's

25:39

a great fact check right there. Yes.

25:42

Give me a favor. Ask

25:45

me that again, because my mind was wandering somewhere

25:47

else. So you

25:49

guys are doing a series of

25:51

shows outdoors here in

25:55

Orlando. And it's because

25:57

it's the summer where the Olympics were being

25:59

held in Atlanta. A lot of the Turner people

26:01

were there. Exactly. And

26:03

this was, I'm going to

26:06

tell you, this was our greatest time to be

26:08

working for WCW. When the

26:11

Olympics came and we closed up shop

26:13

in Atlanta and we moved

26:15

our offices to, uh, to

26:17

one of those backstage, whatever

26:20

they call them quasi-huts or whatever. Bongolos

26:23

or whatever backstage. And

26:25

we, we had to free run. We had free run

26:27

of Disney world. Right. We actually did.

26:30

Uh, this was the greatest summer that, that

26:32

we had had in WCW. So this was

26:34

a great time. Really enjoyed it. And of

26:37

course we fucked it

26:39

up as we did. Back

26:41

then we did a great job of fucking it up. Well,

26:45

let's just throw it out there. Stereo

26:47

let's throw Ray Mysterio up

26:49

against a, a, uh, a vehicle

26:53

and let's have Randy Savage jump on limousine

26:55

and let's bring in the police and let's

26:57

bring in the fire department and let's spook

27:00

the Disney people about what are they doing to

27:02

us? And of course that is

27:04

us getting us thrown off with Disney

27:06

lot. Ethan, you're going

27:08

to love this one because we've got Ray

27:10

Mysterio wrestling Dean Malenko here. This will be

27:13

their third time facing each other in WCW.

27:15

Dave Belzer said this was the best match

27:17

they have had together here in WCW. So

27:20

there's some actual, I think, I

27:23

think I've seen this match because

27:25

I was a deep like internet

27:28

dork, but only with music

27:30

videos. So like I was part

27:32

of message boards in my like teens that

27:35

would edit together music videos because there was

27:37

the only way I could really watch independent

27:39

wrestling was all these guys capturing the footage,

27:41

uploading it, and then putting together these like

27:44

compilations. And I would take part

27:46

in these like video editing tournaments, like

27:49

a teenager. And this

27:51

match was huge. Like people would

27:53

love putting together music videos

27:56

of Ray and Dean's matches together. Yeah.

27:58

This is the one outdoors. outdoors.

28:00

Yes. Yes. Okay.

28:02

Yeah. I see this is a gut buster off

28:04

the top. Well, I don't

28:06

want to give a spoiler, but here we go. Oh, you

28:12

got a special countdown for us. So you got to kick

28:14

it old school. I'm

28:16

all the, I'm going to just do a old school countdown.

28:19

I was wondering for everyone who's watching along,

28:21

where did they go? Oh, peacock.

28:26

1996. You can watch along with us on peacock. You

28:28

want to find nitro July 8th, 1996. We

28:33

know what episode and thing of that is we

28:35

do. It's July 8th, 1996

28:38

season. What episode they'll figure

28:40

it the fuck out when they figure out it's

28:43

July 8th, 1996. Okay

28:47

guys figured the fuck out in I

28:53

was like, I knew what you were doing, but I

28:55

don't know because we're not watching it that way today.

28:57

You know, okay. All right. Get

29:01

ready to hit play in three, two,

29:03

one play. I'm

29:09

thinking about it. There we go. Yeah.

29:36

We are coming to you. And

29:52

I want to get everyone along with you

29:54

living like you, Luisovisco. I'm Tony.

30:00

We are excited to our television program. Ladies

30:03

and gentlemen, we are one day removed from

30:05

one of the most shocking, one of the

30:07

most startling, one of the most disappointing

30:09

disheartening events in the history of our sport.

30:12

Last night at Bash at the Beach,

30:14

we found out who the third

30:16

man was. We were all

30:18

stunned. It was disbelief, Larry,

30:20

and I can tell you right now, later

30:23

on in this television program, in the second hour,

30:26

words cannot describe what

30:28

happened last night, but the pictures

30:30

will, we will show you exactly

30:32

what Hulk Hogan did to World

30:34

Championship Wrestling and all the fans

30:36

worldwide, Larry. You know, there was

30:39

one adjective you left out. It

30:41

was the word disgusting. I'm disgusted.

30:43

It was an act of total

30:45

unmanliness that I'm never gonna waste my time

30:47

commenting on right now. But we'll be talking

30:50

about it during the course of the program,

30:52

and remember, in the second hour, the

30:54

pictures will tell the story of what

30:57

Hulk Hogan did last night. We began

30:59

the program last night in great fashion,

31:01

as we had, great Mysterio Jr.

31:03

Let's take a look at some of the... So,

31:05

Tony, these shows that start out in the

31:07

daytime, and then, you know, obviously, it gets

31:10

darker as the night goes on. What

31:12

did you think of that look for television? I

31:16

liked it. I was for it. Oh,

31:18

it was really cool. My God, there's a picture

31:20

of the disco in front of him. I'm glad we didn't show that.

31:24

Oh, let's just throw a turd up here.

31:26

Okay, disco in front of him. By

31:29

the way, disco, for those fans of disco

31:32

in front of him, please let

31:34

him know that I called him a turd on TV

31:36

because he really is. Yeah,

31:39

because he sucks. I'll

31:42

tell you, disco in front of him sucks. Okay?

31:45

I'll tell you, he had the least talent of anybody I've

31:47

ever worked with in my life. Well,

31:50

I don't know how to say that. I got

31:52

sidetracked. I'm sorry. I like this look. As we're

31:54

watching it right now, it

31:57

was very unique. Yeah, and

31:59

the fans... We're into it. And we

32:01

had not only that we had, uh, we're going

32:03

to start with the Ray Mysterio and,

32:05

and the, yes, we are. Yeah. And,

32:08

uh, uh, Disney

32:10

always had a guy to help

32:13

us, you know, get the

32:15

fans going and a prompter, if you

32:17

will, and send the fans kind

32:19

of bought into it. And, uh, it was, uh,

32:22

look, Disney in the background, the WCW, uh,

32:25

logo. It's pretty cool. So,

32:28

um, what do you

32:30

think about the radio stereo and a robe

32:32

here, Ethan? Uh,

32:35

I'm a little confused by it. I

32:37

mean, I don't remember seeing that before, right? I

32:41

don't think I've ever seen him in a kimono. Right.

32:46

I'm curious about this, the show. Like was

32:48

this part of Disney? If you were at

32:50

Disney, could you just go or was this

32:53

separate? Like you had to buy a ticket

32:55

to go see WCW free tickets. Yeah.

32:58

The tickets were free. Uh,

33:00

they let you in, but they had a max that they would let

33:02

in. Now this was actually right

33:05

at the entrance of the MGM studio, right

33:08

at the eye of it's Hollywood

33:10

studios now. Right? Yes. Yes. Okay.

33:15

Yeah. This is so cool. I think it looks awesome. Right.

33:19

And of course we did the other shows, the

33:21

other, uh, the other shows that syndicated shows we

33:24

did actually on the, on the, uh, set. The,

33:27

uh, the Hollywood set that they

33:29

had a New York street set. If

33:31

you go back and look at some of those old worldwide shows

33:35

and I think we did some nitros there too. Uh,

33:38

and I thought they were cool because we would

33:40

have entrances of guys walking, you know,

33:42

through buildings or through alleyways

33:44

to get, to get to the set. So I thought it

33:46

was very cool. Um, these

33:50

are not a gear expert, but w what is

33:52

spray missing over the kick pads? What would you

33:54

call that piece of fabric that guys wear now

33:56

to cover those kick pads up? Uh,

33:59

covers. Oh, just call okay. Yeah,

34:02

yeah. I can't like a

34:04

sleeve, but yeah, if you're ordering them, they'd

34:06

just be kicked out covers. I got you.

34:09

So I don't remember seeing that exposed on him before

34:12

I hadn't watched this match in a long time, I

34:14

guess. Wow.

34:17

Deem Malenko was so great. And

34:20

obviously Ray Mysterio, it's

34:23

so much of it said about him, but Deem

34:26

Malenko is just fantastic.

34:29

And, uh, and one of the funniest human beings

34:32

I've ever met in my entire life. Absolutely.

34:36

Absolutely. You know,

34:38

what's, what's fun to think about too, is this

34:40

is a fun little trivia. No, this is the

34:42

first match for WCW after whole

34:45

COVID turned heel. Yeah.

34:47

And it's also the first match in front of a

34:50

free crowd said

34:52

differently. There's a lot of people

34:54

who are in these seats who probably aren't

34:56

wrestling fans. Sure. Here

34:58

because they're at Disney. So if you're trying

35:00

to make sure that these people stick around

35:02

and they're glued and they're

35:04

into it and they're lively, I can't think

35:06

of anything better to do to start than

35:08

send them out there with a Ray and

35:10

Dean. Oh,

35:13

absolutely. Fast face excitement. Yeah. Sure.

35:17

Yeah. A guy that you want to boo and a

35:19

guy that you want to love. Yes. This

35:23

is awesome. Isn't it amazing, Ethan, that we look

35:25

at Dean right now and you talk about how funny he

35:27

is and what we know about him and

35:29

watching him now, how serious he was back then

35:32

that, oh yeah, he was ice cold. Yeah.

35:34

It was, this is the Dean

35:36

Malenko you're looking at right now. There's nothing

35:40

like that serious face of his nothing

35:42

like he really is. It's just like, when

35:46

I, when I watched Dean Malenko, when I was

35:48

younger, I used to just assume he was the

35:50

biggest dickhead of a father. That's

35:53

right. He was like, oh, this

35:55

guy is probably so mean to his kids. So

36:00

stern. Yeah.

36:02

In reality, he's a great father and a

36:04

great husband. And uh, I just sweetest guy.

36:06

Yeah. Meanwhile, Shivani who

36:08

came off really likable was openly and freely admitting

36:11

here on the show, he dropped his kids on

36:13

their heads. Welcome

36:18

to talk about the ultimate small village watch

36:20

podcast. Karen, which is a

36:24

good question. Season three talisman. That night where you

36:26

did anything was so powerful. Tom, what was it

36:28

like to do that thing with John as your

36:30

director? It's good that I was with those people

36:32

because when your eyes are closed and someone is

36:34

supposed to be going to stab you in the

36:36

chest, you have to really trust that they're not

36:38

going to do it. So I was in good

36:40

hands with John. Jump in now or catch up

36:43

on any of the past seasons of talkville on

36:45

YouTube or wherever you listen. Oh

36:49

God. These guys are just, and

36:52

you know, I, I, here's,

36:55

here's one thing about Dean Malenko and, and

36:58

Dean working together, Ethan, they

37:00

didn't go out in

37:02

the ring prior to the show and

37:05

go over their shit. Oh God. Here we go

37:07

with this again. They didn't know they didn't. And

37:10

I'm not shooting on guys who do that now,

37:12

but you couldn't because the ring was

37:15

out in the, the general public. So

37:17

you couldn't go out in the ring and do

37:20

this. W w w would you be okay? And this is

37:23

not me being disrespectful at

37:25

all. I promise. Could I defend

37:27

my peers? Yes. We

37:31

never get to wrestle. So

37:33

our schedule compared to the guys back

37:35

then, we probably, we

37:37

probably have such a high level

37:40

of imposter syndrome because we only have

37:42

like two or three matches a month

37:44

if we're used regularly. Right. Whereas

37:46

these guys were probably wrestling three, four times a

37:49

week, maybe. Absolutely. So

37:51

yeah. Yeah. 100%

37:55

these guys are world-class professional wrestlers,

37:57

but to be able to do it. that

38:00

often, of course, you're going to be that good.

38:02

Right. And you can tell, you can tell

38:04

it's that they've done a lot. You can tell they've

38:06

worked. Yeah. Yeah.

38:09

There's no question about

38:11

that. And we don't, we

38:14

don't repeat a lot of

38:16

matches in AEW either. So

38:18

to get comfortable with someone's

38:20

kind of, you know, I guess

38:22

I really thought about that until you said it. I mean,

38:24

I did think about you, Russell, less, but you

38:26

would hear back in the day, and you could actually

38:28

go back and see it when you look at the

38:31

results. If you do that, I'd like the history of

38:33

ww.com or something like that. Whenever the

38:35

guys were getting ready for a big pay-per-view match, they

38:37

would work their match out through the house show

38:39

loops. So by the time we saw it

38:41

on a pay-per-view, that might actually be. Maybe

38:44

the first time that a television audience has seen it,

38:46

but it might be like their 12th match. Yeah.

38:49

And, and I think too, it's like you

38:52

become more comfortable being

38:54

yourself with someone

38:56

when you're around them more. You're

38:59

just a lot more looser. Like,

39:01

uh, I was fortunate enough to

39:04

work with hook on every house

39:06

show we did with AEW to

39:08

build up to this, uh, FTW

39:11

rules match we ended up having on rampage.

39:13

So one of my favorite matches I've had

39:15

in AEW, maybe my career. Right. And it's

39:17

cause we got, we got familiar and it

39:19

was almost like you build this like trust

39:21

and then there's a instinct that you build

39:23

with your opponent. That's just kind of like

39:26

an intangible that adds to the, I

39:28

guess, element of the match. Yeah.

39:33

I'm sorry, that brain muster on the floor

39:35

ended my career. I

39:40

was going to say that, um, that

39:42

we need house show matches. Now

39:45

I know wrestlers would not, are not

39:47

looking forward to wrestling every day of the

39:49

week again, but we need them. Who

39:51

cares what the wrestlers think. We,

39:53

we really need them. We need more

39:55

house shows, not necessarily

39:57

to try to, you know, try to put some. More

40:00

cash into the company, hopefully, but also

40:03

just to give wrestlers a

40:05

time to work with each other. You're going to have

40:07

better TV. You really are a

40:10

thousand percent better matches. And Claudio

40:12

actually gave me like a little piece

40:15

when we were in Huntsville doing the

40:17

house show, maybe like a couple of

40:19

months ago, maybe last year or late last year. He

40:22

was like, Hey, it's, I'm glad I see you on

40:24

all these house shows. Cause when we

40:26

come back for television, the fans that came today,

40:28

they got to see you. We'll appreciate

40:30

the fact that you came through for this and they'll

40:32

be there for you when you come back for television.

40:34

And I was like, whoa. Yeah. You're

40:36

building a relationship with all these

40:39

fans across America doing all these events.

40:41

So anytime we bring those house shows back and

40:43

give you, oh my gosh. Oh,

40:49

Oh, Ray missed that series

40:51

of moves right there, how he got

40:53

named to the outside and then the

40:55

springboard where he just ate shit on

40:57

the concrete there. My goodness. Amazing.

41:02

You know, I heard Tony, I don't know if

41:04

this is real. I mean, I might, I might

41:06

be misremembering this, but I think those nitro ring mats

41:08

with the flames printed on them that we're seeing right

41:11

there. I

41:14

think somehow those wound up with, uh, with, uh, Jeff Jira

41:16

and TNA. Really?

41:22

Yeah. I think, I

41:24

think the first TNA show was, was the using those same

41:26

mats just flipped upside down. Or something crazy like that. See

41:30

the fans pop the fans who basically

41:32

are, are not your regular fans. Just pop for that.

41:35

Or I could run off the top. Of course.

41:37

Oh yeah. I mean, look at

41:39

all the women right there. That's

41:41

how you know, respectfully, this is not your regular wrestling show. Those

41:43

are moms usually when there's moms at a wrestling

41:46

show, it's because their

41:48

kids are there. Those

41:52

were mom. Oh, here we go. Oh,

41:55

I should've walked off the

41:57

Movrei Oh.

42:02

Are you do that? My gosh, as.

42:04

A. Whistle. Didn't like

42:06

he. he touches him all the way

42:09

down, there is a release and then

42:11

as he's coming down his literally catching

42:13

a fourth human. That's pretty crazy. Have

42:16

a He pulls him up. He doesn't want to.

42:18

three. People. Are going here. You

42:22

know, I would look at the sky right there

42:24

and I got to thinking we're probably pretty darn

42:26

lucky. And. It never rained. That.

42:28

It didn't rain insists our thinking the same

42:30

thing like doing this what to look totally

42:32

different in a downpour is most fans Whether.

42:35

Or not or may not gonna in a neck

42:37

brace and a wheelchair and Adobe celebrity. Sure he

42:40

would have been there. If I don't

42:42

know how many other vivid. And

42:45

is valuable through some shit. and he's still

42:47

here for nicer. Here. Because in

42:49

the middle of July early July, Look at

42:51

that. Holy shit. One, two, three, One.

42:54

Finish. Really the crowd as awesome. Meltzer.

42:59

Didn't usually make it a habit

43:01

to rate television matches. But.

43:03

He did here and he gave this for to quarter.

43:06

Ah, What an incredible mass on

43:08

free! T Re mysterious is your cruiserweight champion.

43:10

We just saw history that would be race

43:12

for someone in the cruiserweight for everything. Wait,

43:16

Really nothing. so. Like.

43:19

I know my what a perfect episode. As

43:21

dumb as had a puppet in the stands.

43:26

And the puppet was Syrian. harder than am. Okay,

43:32

Is. As great as

43:34

again you can just see on that ten how

43:36

them they've worked together so much. This

43:39

and that's your power plant of the week. Yeah,

43:41

that was his first. The. First.

43:44

Cruiserweight Championship of of them. Are

43:46

years maintain. Our Amtrak The Or

43:48

for cyclists. Around

43:51

and I feel like. They're. Gonna be locked

43:53

up The winners by the way. On

43:55

Aug the ten bucks w w pay

43:57

per view A Hog Wild. of

44:00

these teams will be meeting the Harlem Heat

44:02

for the WCW tag team title. Scott, you

44:04

know me, Gene, I can't agree with the

44:06

way Harlem Heat won the belts or

44:08

how they beat us last week when Colonel

44:10

Parkland, my brother in the head with the

44:13

cane. But

44:15

if we had to face the nasty boys

44:17

tonight, they would, they

44:20

shut up. They

44:22

like the way you guys act. I

44:24

can't say agree the way you guys look, but

44:27

I do respect wrestling ability. You

44:29

guys been camping before, so have we.

44:31

Tonight we're going to see the better.

44:34

Hey, I don't care. And

44:37

knobs don't care about your problems

44:39

with the Harlem Heat. All

44:41

I care about is me and knobs

44:43

winning that match tonight. And who's going

44:45

to get that title shot? You've been

44:47

down nasty Boulevard before. You walked it.

44:50

You know what it's about. I know you

44:52

can fight and we ain't backing down. That

44:55

ain't an interview out there. It's nastyville. Hope

44:57

you're ready. I keep talking. I'm

44:59

not you. I don't think it's nastyville

45:01

comes out of the door. And get

45:03

down where it gets real nasty

45:05

boy. You see my nose is to the ground.

45:08

I smell them. I smell the heat. I'm

45:12

coming after you boys. I

45:15

got you. Nasty boys. You're getting

45:17

away. It's just, I'm going to

45:20

be personal. I know. All

45:23

I know is there is for

45:25

one hell of a match. Cause

45:27

us guys get together. It's going

45:29

to be for the

45:31

July all over. We

45:34

would spend you with that decision.

45:39

These format are going to be

45:41

later on here when WSC Monday

45:43

nitro continues on. You

45:46

know, it turns out maybe scripted promos ain't that bad.

45:52

We'll script every now and again, never hurt nobody. Yeah.

45:56

Rick, Rick Steiner could Rick

45:58

Steiner could do a hell of a. promo and

46:00

not say a damn thing. Oh,

46:04

oh, oh, glaciers. Oh,

46:06

and listen to it

46:08

too. Okay. Can

46:24

you imagine trying to start this gimmick at the

46:26

same time? The end of you, I was getting

46:28

going. I feel so bad for Ray Lloyd. My

46:30

God. Raise a good guy. That

46:33

whole thing was because, uh,

46:37

Eric Bischoff love mortal combat. You

46:43

know what? I love that. I

46:45

love the fact that Eric was like, you know what?

46:47

My kid loves this stuff. Give him something to cheer

46:49

for. Yeah, it

46:52

is. Uh, do you remember the Schumacher

46:54

Batman movies, Tony? Yeah, yeah, sure do.

46:57

That, that glacier package reminded me of

46:59

all the closeup shots of like the

47:01

Batman nipples and the butt cheeks, like

47:03

as they're like cutting through the outfits.

47:05

That's right. Exactly. Oh,

47:10

like the opens, the opening sequence.

47:12

What was that of the, uh, of the Batman

47:15

and Robin one? Yes. Yeah.

47:17

Where they're getting there. They're getting changed to

47:19

leave. Yeah. When George Clooney is in, yeah.

47:22

Yeah. Chris O'Donnell getting, yeah, absolutely.

47:25

Okay. Look at this. I mean, walking

47:27

gimmick and a half. I mean, full

47:30

blown airbrush suit, airbrush

47:32

tie. Oh, the suit

47:34

has tails too. Of course it does. I

47:36

mean, Jimmy Martin just putting in work here, but

47:39

how would you describe the look for a Ray

47:41

trailer here, Tony? Uh,

47:43

he looked like, he looks like a biker. I

47:46

would think I know you're looking

47:49

for something funny, but I ain't got anything right now,

47:51

I just rewatched the Sopranos and it looks

47:54

like he's doing his veto impression. I

47:58

mean, it's so random. here getting in

48:00

the wrestling ring with a motorcycle helmet. And

48:03

I don't know. I mean, I've never wrestled obviously, but

48:06

leather pants. I don't know if that is

48:08

something I would want to do. What, where are

48:10

you at a leather pants for tights here? Oh,

48:15

I'm a hard no on anything that's going to

48:17

make you sweat more than you have to. Right.

48:20

Yeah. I'm looking Bobby Eaton

48:22

suited and booted right there with the

48:25

double breasts. Look

48:27

at that. I

48:30

just, I just laugh every time Regal comes into the

48:32

ring. How could you do it? I

48:35

just tremendous. And

48:38

then of course, you know, the, uh, I

48:41

guess it's Jeeves. That's what they called him. I

48:43

recall that that was also wildcat Willie, the guy

48:45

that played wildcat Willie in

48:49

the suit. So they gave him something else to do. And I guess

48:51

he was looking for another payday. Hey, and

48:53

good for him. I'll be honest. I, I, yeah,

48:56

WCW was dead and gone before

48:58

I even put together that wildcat

49:00

Willie spelled WCW never

49:04

crossed my mind. Oh

49:09

gosh. They're showing, uh, scenes

49:12

from, uh, from bash of the beach.

49:14

Yeah. That was some sort of silver dollar match.

49:17

I'm gonna pull. Yeah. Think about

49:19

that. A sack, a sock full of silver dollars

49:22

on a pole. Kevin

49:24

Sullivan had the good weed in 96. Silver

49:31

dollars. What in

49:33

the world? Hey,

49:36

so, you know, there's

49:38

a, there's a slam that some of our wrestlers

49:41

do now. We call it the boss man slam.

49:43

Oh yeah. Right. There

49:45

was one night on, uh, on

49:50

collision, I said, and it's a big boss

49:52

man slam. And,

49:56

and Tony got mayor said, you can't say big boss man.

50:00

And I said, I was saying

50:02

big comma boss.

50:08

So next time put a comma where it

50:10

doesn't belong. Like it's an early edition of

50:13

the observer. So,

50:16

so now I'm just going to say, what a

50:18

boss man slam. I'm not going to say a

50:21

big boss man slam anymore.

50:24

A dude, you know what? It's available now. Uh,

50:26

never will anyone else ever say what a

50:28

maneuver. So you can take that if you

50:31

want to. It

50:33

is out of rotation now out

50:35

of rotation. Yeah, I

50:38

guess it is. I

50:41

gotta tell you, I was, uh, maybe

50:44

in the minority, but in

50:46

this era, I just loved watching Hugh Morris,

50:48

a big dude who could do a moon

50:50

salt and his explosiveness. I just thought, Hey,

50:52

this guy, that's

50:54

a good character. I enjoyed him. I would have liked to have

50:56

seen what he could have done in like an ECW or something

50:58

like that with Paul Heyman, but didn't

51:03

work. Didn't happen. I guess his biggest

51:05

push was, uh, when he was general,

51:07

huge erection. Yeah. Boy,

51:09

that was a great time of WCW. Oh,

51:14

you never, you never trained under him. Did

51:16

you? Uh, no,

51:18

I didn't. Oh God. I, the Beagles

51:20

are here. You

51:24

go see dogs fighting the background, not there,

51:26

but in my, Oh,

51:28

see there is here. There

51:31

they go. Anyway,

51:35

that's my life. Uh,

51:37

I just, there's a referee

51:40

here, Tony. Do you recognize that referee? I

51:42

think it was, I think if I recall, I think we

51:44

called him Jimmy jet. Oh, okay.

51:46

Got it. There's a big boss

51:49

man. Slam. There was. Yeah.

51:55

Dogs are up here. Yeah.

52:01

Can you imagine if it was me who said Tony,

52:03

you can't call it a big boss man. Slam the

52:06

next segment, you would have been like, this guy's out here.

52:08

Like he's the million dollar man. Cocoa

52:11

be where style drop kick right there. Oh,

52:20

what a move that was too, man. I

52:23

like some all Japan business and that gets

52:25

it done. Blue blood to get the wind. I

52:28

mean, would you, is there a scenario where you

52:30

have a wrestling match and you're like, you

52:33

know what, Bobby, why don't you just put on a

52:35

suit and stand in the corner? We don't want you

52:37

to actually wrestle. What? Well,

52:42

that was the whole gimmick. I mean, I'm glad to

52:44

get in the payday, but my goodness. I

52:46

know Bobby needs to work. You're right. Yeah. Yeah.

52:49

Shit. Just have to do a bunch of promos instead. See

52:52

how that works. I

52:55

will always remember as far as the blue bloods are concerned. And

52:57

I know we've talked about this before. We probably have seen it,

52:59

but I will always remember. I

53:05

love the, the, the look of this set as the

53:07

time goes on. Like now that

53:10

the sun has set and starting to glow a little bit, it

53:12

looks awesome. Yeah. It's

53:14

great. But

53:16

I'll always remember when we did the, did

53:18

the vignettes with, uh, out in Hollywood

53:22

with the blue bloods. Yeah. And

53:25

Regal was doing a promo right in front

53:27

of OJ Simpson's house or

53:29

in front of Nicole's house. And

53:32

as he's talking, Bobby pulls a knife out of,

53:34

he pulls a knife out of the bushes, looks at

53:36

it, looks around the sticks back in the bush. That

53:41

aired. Did that air? Yes,

53:43

it aired. Oh my. That

53:46

was, it was just my goodness. It

53:49

was hilarious. Oh, look at that. This

53:51

is the Garrett Bischoff sting commercial. Yes.

54:00

in store get personally trained with

54:02

a booty bay and get a

54:04

behind the scenes look at things

54:06

Oh Get

54:15

your copy now I'm new stands everywhere

54:19

About that Garrett Bischoff's TV debut right there

54:21

and now we know thanks to you that

54:24

he's responsible for Glacier Yes,

54:27

he is and two things Did

54:29

you see Peggy Latham in that in that commercial? I

54:31

missed it Yeah, she was

54:34

in the commercial cheering. That's number one and

54:36

number two Instead of just showing the

54:38

rest of the show Can we just show a shot of

54:40

the booty babe again and just keep that up the entire

54:42

time i'd be great with it I'm

54:45

good with it Yeah,

54:49

this looks cool. Oh, man,

54:52

we're coming back to psychosis nanny Guerrero Yeah,

54:55

dude We

54:57

are we are coming out with some big guns here, aren't

54:59

we this beats the shit out of

55:02

whatever raw had I'll tell you that my

55:04

goodness. Yeah, this is one of the Yeah,

55:06

hulk Hogan. I get it and the macho

55:09

man nwo. I know it was the

55:11

spark, but this was the reason fans

55:13

watched Oh, no doubt if you were

55:15

arresting fans, eddie Guerrero and ray Mysterio

55:17

and Uh

55:19

and dean malenko, holy smokes our

55:22

crews How How

55:24

much did they announce? Before

55:27

like an episode would go live like

55:29

how much did fans know about this

55:31

episode of nitro before like

55:33

they were aired? zero

55:37

So all they know is whatever happened at

55:40

Fashion the beach now they have to tune in to

55:42

see what happens next kind of thing Yes, or whatever

55:44

happened last week Or whatever.

55:46

Right, right, right, right, right? I

55:49

feel like that's like Such

55:52

a great marketing tool the mystery. Yeah, just

55:54

be like hey We all know you saw

55:56

what hogan did and we all know you're

55:58

going to tune in to find out

56:01

what's next while you're stuck waiting.

56:04

We're going to make you, we're going to make you love

56:06

all this stuff. Right. And

56:09

they, and they don't even know what they're getting. So they have

56:11

no expectation. Right. And then here you go. Boom. Epic

56:14

match. Right. And compared

56:16

to now where we, we, we are. Don't

56:19

even wants to announce a lot of the matches. Yeah. And

56:21

right. Yeah. And I'm not so sure I

56:24

always agree with that. I mean, if it's

56:26

a gigantic match, you know, and you've never

56:28

seen, but sometimes we just, I think we

56:30

announced too much, but that's what he wants to

56:32

do. So we do it and

56:34

look at Eddie go. We,

56:37

uh, I just want to give you some context here. Well,

56:39

you weren't watching this, Mr. Paige instead,

56:41

you were watching Monday Night Raw, which

56:44

featured the ultimate warrior beating Owen heart

56:46

by DQ when Davey boy interfered. Um,

56:49

Savio Vega would pin Justin

56:51

Bradshaw. Uh, Brian

56:53

Pillman would be shown taking a swing at

56:56

Savio with his crutch. We've

56:58

got Davey boy Smith, uh,

57:00

tagging with Vader to take on the

57:03

guidelines. And that

57:05

was your Monday Night Raw. Wow.

57:08

That was all of it. Yeah.

57:10

There were some segments and skits and promos

57:13

and things like that, like gorilla monsoon announcing

57:16

that the ultimate warrior was suspended because he

57:18

was no showing and a

57:20

closing segment of Shawn Michaels and Ahmed

57:22

Johnson saying that their new partner since

57:25

warriors out as psycho Sid, that sort

57:27

of stuff, but as far as matches, there's

57:29

no comparison. Nitro had the better matches.

57:31

I mean, just based on Ray

57:34

alone, but now you got 82. My

57:36

goodness. I

57:39

think those are my four cruiser weight, my four

57:41

favorite WCW cruiser weights we've seen here. I'm

57:44

an ultimate dragon. I guess he's on the list too. Well,

57:47

you got to put a hooving to it on there too. Oh, that's

57:49

right. Yeah. Yeah. Really?

57:51

No one's going to pick super callo. Well,

57:54

I was, I was hoping that

57:56

Tony wasn't going to do what he's done before

57:59

and try to besperch. It's the good damn name of

58:01

El Dandy, but now

58:07

this, this, this referee haircut

58:09

and mustache combination feels

58:12

like it is right out of like clue or

58:14

Mr. Potato head or, yeah,

58:19

I don't remember this referee's name. I

58:23

don't Lord. Blah.

58:25

And somebody should have told him, grow some signbirds

58:27

or shave the beard. I mean, shave the mustache

58:30

something. Hey,

58:33

you know, I, uh, no guardrails

58:35

at all. How about that? Yeah. I know. Isn't

58:39

that something and

58:42

they're going to get ready. They're getting ready to do

58:44

something like a moonsault here. Well, don't fall into grandma.

58:48

Oh my goodness. You

58:51

know, also the matches here were

58:54

sensational, but they weren't, they weren't as

58:56

long as the matches that we have

58:58

now. Right. They weren't,

59:00

I haven't, we haven't seen the two

59:02

segment match yet here. I don't think you will.

59:06

Yeah. I don't think we will either. I

59:10

don't know, man. Just,

59:13

uh, it just shows you how things have changed. That

59:15

first match with our Ray and Dean went 12 minutes

59:17

and 48 seconds. Uh,

59:20

the tag match we just saw with big Bubba was

59:22

three minutes and eight seconds. That's all

59:24

right. I guess that was three minutes, three minutes

59:26

and eight seconds. This

59:28

seems longer. Didn't it? It

59:31

sure did. It really did. Yeah. This

59:34

is a eight minutes and 33 seconds here

59:36

for Eddie and psychosis. Wow. Okay.

59:41

Yeah. Well, is that, is that belt to belt? Yes.

59:46

Okay. Belt to belt. Okay. Yeah. Not the full segment. Just

59:48

the end ring. Okay.

59:53

So we got, uh, the

59:55

nasty boys. And Rick Steiner, uh, and

59:57

Scott Steiner. Coming

1:00:00

up in just a moment. Uh,

1:00:02

then we got Rick flair in there with Jim powers,

1:00:06

Chris Benoit and Craig Pittman and

1:00:09

how about staying in our name Anderson still

1:00:12

to come. That's on the show. Yeah.

1:00:15

Wow. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah.

1:00:17

I'm looking forward to hanging out. Yeah.

1:00:24

You know what? I haven't really talked to on in a long

1:00:26

time. Um, and

1:00:29

I should. It's my fault. Um, how's

1:00:32

he doing Conrad? Uh,

1:00:35

he's all right. Okay. I

1:00:38

say he's all right. I mean, it's just obviously, but

1:00:40

the tragedy that his family suffered. I'm sure he has

1:00:42

a good days and bad days. Yes.

1:00:45

I need to check in with him. They

1:00:49

check in with a lot of people. Well,

1:00:51

it's been well established. You're a bad friend. I'm

1:00:54

a terrible friend. Worst worst. I've you're one of my

1:00:56

worst best friends I ever had. Yeah.

1:00:58

I'm just terrible. What

1:01:00

I am. I'm a terrible friend. It's

1:01:02

just, I'll say, Hey buddy, how you doing? Good to

1:01:04

see you. And you won't hear from me for

1:01:06

another two years. You'll

1:01:15

send him text messages for a week. And then when you finally

1:01:17

talked to him on the phone and you're like, are you okay?

1:01:20

Yeah. Wow. What's up? Well, been texting me for a week. I

1:01:22

don't look at my phone. Oh,

1:01:24

okay. All right. Well, I've

1:01:26

been talking to your wife and your daughter and your

1:01:28

sons and everybody else just wanted to make sure you

1:01:31

were okay. Since you're how I know all of them.

1:01:33

Yeah, I'm fine. Okay.

1:01:40

Man. I, uh, I

1:01:42

can't help but watch this and think about Eric

1:01:44

Bischoff over the years, talking about how he wanted

1:01:46

to get out of center stage because

1:01:49

the shows were free and he just felt like

1:01:51

people were, you know, he's

1:01:53

like, man, we had flat Jack winos out there

1:01:55

with brown paper bags, falling asleep, taking a nap

1:01:57

to get out of the cold. Yeah.

1:02:00

Yeah, that's not the look we wanted for WCW.

1:02:03

And then I look right across from the hard

1:02:05

cam and it's a bunch of wheelchairs. Like

1:02:08

I know the wrestling fans and Lord bless them,

1:02:10

but maybe put them under the hard cam and

1:02:12

put some loud and crazy rowdy kids right there. Maybe they

1:02:14

couldn't do that because they thought the kids would get close

1:02:17

to the ring too. I don't know. Yeah.

1:02:19

Maybe that was a Disney thing too. I don't know.

1:02:22

Yeah. It could be because it's accessible

1:02:24

to wheelchairs on the floor. But

1:02:27

it's all on the floor. Right. You

1:02:30

know, the guy with the neck brace or the right, oh, there

1:02:32

he moves his hand. I was thinking maybe he just died on

1:02:34

us right there because he didn't move. That

1:02:37

guy's been moving the most. It

1:02:43

actually kind of looks like they do it here. Oh,

1:02:49

sorry. Yeah. I know. The

1:02:52

crazy stuff they do. Just.

1:02:56

They're doing, they're doing, they're doing some of the things that Eddie and

1:02:58

Ray did, but it doesn't matter because it's really good. I

1:03:03

mean, you talk about ahead of their time. Sorry,

1:03:07

sorry, Conrad. I didn't

1:03:10

mean to cut you off, but one thing with

1:03:12

these guys and even Dean and Ray, everything that

1:03:14

they're doing looks like they're struggling to do it.

1:03:16

Yes. Like it's, uh, there is, there

1:03:18

is no just like full control. Even

1:03:21

the finish for Ray. Oh, that was

1:03:23

for me. It was

1:03:25

Dean going for the tilt to whirl

1:03:27

backbreaker again and Ray catching him in the

1:03:29

wrong, I was like, the man, the storytelling, even though it's

1:03:31

all athletic and

1:03:33

crazy acrobatics, it's great. You

1:03:38

know, no disrespect to Eddie Guerrero,

1:03:41

but a lot of this crowd probably is casual fans at best probably did not know who

1:03:43

he was, but he's getting a standing ovation

1:03:47

here. I mean, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a,

1:03:49

he's a, he's a, he's a, I mean, these

1:03:51

guys and psychosis, I'm

1:03:53

just saying, if you're trying to entertain

1:03:55

a crowd of non wrestling

1:03:58

fans, these crazy. costumes

1:04:00

and these crazy moves and

1:04:02

things that these guys can do. This is going

1:04:04

to win over everybody. And that's, I

1:04:07

mean, look at the crowd there just on the superplex.

1:04:12

But then, it's just going to sound really corny,

1:04:14

but you ever just walk down the street and

1:04:16

one of the street performers is so good at

1:04:18

their job that you're just like, yeah, I got

1:04:20

to sit and listen to this or toss some

1:04:22

coins into the case. Like they're

1:04:24

just that, that to me, like if you're, if

1:04:26

you're that good at any kind of art, you

1:04:29

can make anybody fall in love with what you're

1:04:31

doing. Eddie was that good at wrestling. Oh

1:04:33

my gosh. Listen to this promo. However,

1:04:37

last night, as big a surprise to me

1:04:39

as anybody joining me, W W

1:04:41

heavyweight champ, the giant, the

1:04:43

taskmaster, Kevin Sullivan, still shaking his head.

1:04:46

Jimmy Hart, you manage this van

1:04:48

Hogan for three years. I mean, you

1:04:50

were in thunder and paradise, all of the movies

1:04:52

you were at the hospitals. I mean, you did

1:04:54

everything with the guy. What,

1:04:57

what, what do you make of his move last

1:04:59

night joining in with these outsiders? You

1:05:02

know, me, Gene, you've known me for a

1:05:05

long time. This is the

1:05:07

first time in my life that I've really been lost

1:05:09

for words and I really have no

1:05:11

comment. Seems to be a

1:05:13

very popular phrase with politicians these days.

1:05:15

No comment. I know that's not the

1:05:17

case for you, Kevin Sullivan. You know,

1:05:19

Gene, sometimes when you live for the

1:05:22

destruction and demise or something like Jimmy

1:05:26

and I did, we lived for a

1:05:28

year and a half for the demise

1:05:30

of Hulkamania and he plucked

1:05:33

it away from us. He destroyed

1:05:35

it himself. All

1:05:38

the karma that I have done in

1:05:40

my life, all the evil

1:05:43

has now come back upon me.

1:05:46

Every time I look in the

1:05:48

mirror, I see Chris Benoit. And

1:05:51

what I see in the mirror is a

1:05:53

madman. And

1:05:55

Gene, this new world

1:05:57

order, Jimmy, taking

1:05:59

a look. By the way, it's some of the footage involving

1:06:01

that right now, Kevin. Gene,

1:06:04

it's like Kevin said, there's a new world order

1:06:06

coming, and you could be out of a job.

1:06:09

Whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute, I'm gonna be- Whoa,

1:06:11

whoa, whoa. Before

1:06:14

everybody goes and loses their

1:06:16

composure, one thing you

1:06:18

gotta remember is, as long

1:06:20

as I have this, the WCW

1:06:22

World Heavyweight Championship belt, nothing

1:06:25

in WCW can go wrong.

1:06:28

If you people remember, I'm

1:06:30

the one that took this belt from

1:06:33

Hulk Hogan last October in Halloween Havoc.

1:06:36

Don't worry about what Hogan did. And

1:06:39

as far as the Four Horsemen go, you call

1:06:41

yourselves the elite. Last

1:06:44

night, you look at the Taskmaster's

1:06:46

face. You guys won

1:06:48

the battle, but you didn't win

1:06:50

the war. Because right now,

1:06:52

tonight, I don't have to wrestle. Thank

1:06:55

you very much, gentlemen. Who said I was

1:06:57

gonna be out of work? Do you know anything about that?

1:07:00

Stay tuned for WCW Monday Night

1:07:02

Show. How great

1:07:05

was Bean Jean Okerlund? My goodness. Nobody

1:07:07

better. I'd say Jim

1:07:11

Ross, the greatest play-by-play announcer ever.

1:07:14

Gene Okerlund is the best wrestling announcer

1:07:16

ever in the story. Couple

1:07:20

of things happened during that promo

1:07:22

I wanna talk about. Number one,

1:07:24

how can you take seriously a guy with

1:07:27

a lightning bolt on his head? I was wondering

1:07:29

the same thing. And a guy dressed up like

1:07:31

Jimmy Hart, looking like that, trying to do a

1:07:33

serious promo. You can't do it. And

1:07:36

number two, they started ripping on Hulk Hogan. Fans

1:07:40

started to boot. I don't know if you heard that

1:07:42

or not. Yes. Yeah. And then the

1:07:44

stage manager, the guy who warms up the crowd,

1:07:46

stepped in and started getting fans

1:07:48

cheering. So they started to cheer. So

1:07:52

that all went down. Hello,

1:07:55

ladies. Man, I love the look. I

1:07:57

mean, it's crazy how much different it looks at night. Like

1:08:00

when they were standing there, they're going to commercial

1:08:03

and that red smoke is coming out from the

1:08:05

entrance behind me and Jean, this

1:08:07

is a great visual. I wonder what

1:08:09

the production costs would have been for something like this,

1:08:11

because it does feel like there's

1:08:14

a lot of, uh, I mean, there you see the big camera.

1:08:17

It feels like there's a lot of that and it's

1:08:19

all outdoors and it's got to be with a

1:08:21

somewhat different crew since a

1:08:24

lot of the TBS and TNT folks

1:08:26

were, were in Atlanta. Was

1:08:29

production for a show like this chaotic?

1:08:33

A chaotic. More than

1:08:35

normal. No,

1:08:38

no, I don't

1:08:40

think so. I

1:08:42

think it was probably

1:08:44

chaotic for Disney to build, to build

1:08:47

the stands. And, uh, but

1:08:50

for us, it was, and I

1:08:52

really think we used a lot of the same, uh, we used a

1:08:54

lot of the same camera. Okay.

1:08:58

And I think once you were at, you know,

1:09:01

guys, Turner

1:09:03

guys loved shooting wrestling because

1:09:06

I think they made a little bit more money shooting wrestling

1:09:08

than they would have like an NBA or

1:09:11

something like that. So

1:09:14

we had, we had a lot of the same crew that

1:09:17

I recall. I don't remember seeing

1:09:19

a lot of new faces, but

1:09:22

of course, you know, how my memory

1:09:24

is Conrad. Yeah. Not

1:09:26

worth the shit. Uh,

1:09:30

we know this referee, Nick Patrick, these

1:09:32

are two classic eighties and nineties tag

1:09:34

teams, the Steiner brothers and the nasty

1:09:36

boys. Are you a fan of the

1:09:38

Steiner's Ethan? Oh

1:09:41

yeah. Especially Scott. Yeah. That

1:09:44

was a big Scott fan, but I was also

1:09:46

a big TNA fan. So, right.

1:09:49

You were the one got it. So

1:09:53

you, uh, damn right. So

1:09:57

Scott had, uh, And

1:10:00

of course I'm asking this because I was removed from wrestling

1:10:02

Scott had a hell of a run in TNA didn't he

1:10:05

or did he? I as

1:10:08

a fan Yes He

1:10:10

sure did have a hell of a run. Yeah,

1:10:13

I mean that's when

1:10:15

I started becoming more of a I guess

1:10:17

educated fan or like I was getting older

1:10:19

and More into the

1:10:21

behind the scenes stuff and promos and how

1:10:23

they were putting things together So

1:10:25

Scott was like a wild card to me and I

1:10:28

found that so entertaining. Yeah, he was he

1:10:30

was a wild card in real life He

1:10:34

was and I guess the Samoa

1:10:36

Joe Promo is one of

1:10:38

the more famous ones. Yes.

1:10:40

Yeah and and matches like

1:10:42

they had some wild matches like there

1:10:44

was one match I

1:10:47

want to say they had in the summer on one of their

1:10:49

pay-per-view and Even

1:10:51

that late in his career. He was doing the

1:10:53

Frankenstein are off the top He gave like a

1:10:56

crazy sleeper suplex to Samoa Joe. They

1:10:58

had some some great matches. Yeah Well,

1:11:02

the thing about Scott Steiner is you just never

1:11:04

knew Just you

1:11:06

you you work and give you a perfect

1:11:08

example We had him at

1:11:11

one of our star cash. Remember that Conrad?

1:11:13

Yeah, and this was in the midst of

1:11:15

Conrad calling him ham cubes Okay,

1:11:18

and so we had him do a run-in

1:11:21

We played the sirens everything do a run-in and

1:11:24

Conrad had a bad foot. You remember when you

1:11:26

yeah, I was in the walking boot Yeah, the

1:11:28

walking boot Conrad and I were there and

1:11:31

he hit the he hit the stage and For

1:11:35

a moment, we were really concerned

1:11:37

for our life We

1:11:42

were Conrad Lived

1:11:45

off as fast as he could Okay,

1:11:48

and Scott picked up the damn it picked up

1:11:50

one of those office chairs and So

1:11:53

yeah Conrad, okay. Yeah, you guys are

1:11:55

hosting the event. Yes. Yeah the hosts.

1:11:58

Yeah. Yes And

1:12:02

then, then he comes out and

1:12:05

he mother fucks everybody. Yeah. Okay. And

1:12:08

then after it's over, we go in the

1:12:10

backstage. He said real calm boy said,

1:12:13

how did that look? Okay. Yeah, it

1:12:15

was unbelievable. Yeah, it looked fine. Oh

1:12:19

my God. He just exploded on the

1:12:21

scene and really we like, Oh,

1:12:26

there were. Yes.

1:12:28

That's what we wanted. Yeah. We,

1:12:32

we told him, he said, when you come out,

1:12:34

be mad at us. Well, he

1:12:36

did. That's

1:12:40

awesome. And there we'll forget the side of Conrad. As

1:12:44

fast as he could. And that jaggo through

1:12:47

the air. Oh, I think the

1:12:49

exact phrase was that won't be

1:12:51

a problem. Yeah. And

1:12:54

then when we got out there, I looked at Tony

1:12:56

and Tony gave me a look like it was like,

1:12:58

Hey man, he's out of his fucking mind. You

1:13:00

might ought to get out of here. Look

1:13:04

at the bottom right hand corner, Tony. How great is

1:13:06

this? You guys didn't do this very long, but they

1:13:09

started at 59 seconds and the stick

1:13:12

of dynamite continues to burn to tell you when

1:13:14

the second hour is going to start because we

1:13:16

don't want you changing the channel to Monday night.

1:13:19

Wow. Isn't that smart? That

1:13:22

is. And then here comes some pyro maybe.

1:13:24

Yeah. Yeah. And

1:13:27

welcome to the second hour. And this is where we brought

1:13:29

Hainan in. I think the

1:13:31

second hour. Normally. Yeah, there it is right

1:13:33

there. Yeah. Eric Bischoff and Bobby, the brain

1:13:35

taken off. Our number

1:13:37

two, we've got great. And that can

1:13:39

be actually going on inside of the ring.

1:13:42

The Steiner brothers and

1:13:45

the nasty boys got Steiner now. He's

1:13:47

in trouble. What'd you think of

1:13:49

Eric as a play by play guy, Tony? I

1:13:53

thought he was a good play by play guy. I thought

1:13:55

that he, I thought that

1:13:58

he talked about the other, the other. Uh,

1:14:02

the other show too much. Um,

1:14:06

and I guess I was known for talking about the other

1:14:08

show too, as it all looked panned

1:14:11

out, but, uh, I

1:14:13

thought when he started doing nitro, he would, he talked

1:14:15

about what was on the other channel a lot, but

1:14:18

I thought he was a very good play by play guy. I thought he was

1:14:21

very good on excitement. What's going

1:14:23

on over here on the right here. Everybody's

1:14:26

taking a look. And Eric, the faith

1:14:28

of professional wrestling has changed forever. Made

1:14:32

a statement that he changed the world.

1:14:34

Oh my God. Colonel Robert Parker and

1:14:36

scary Sherry. I

1:14:43

thought those two together were like freaking magic. They

1:14:47

absolutely were great television for sure.

1:14:51

Yeah. Here she comes talking about crazy

1:14:53

women. Yikes. Yeah.

1:14:59

How was, uh, how was Jerry Sags? Tony, we,

1:15:01

we spend a lot of time on these shows

1:15:04

listening to and hearing about stories with

1:15:06

Brian knobs, but we don't hear a

1:15:08

ton of SAG stories. Uh,

1:15:11

I thought SAGS was a lot more sedate

1:15:13

than Brian knobs and it doesn't take

1:15:16

much to be more sedating Brian knobs,

1:15:18

but, uh,

1:15:20

he was, yeah, he was

1:15:22

a lot cooler than Brian as far as

1:15:25

being able to deal with and everything. Brian

1:15:28

was always like out of control, but

1:15:30

he was always like out of control to me in a good

1:15:32

way. It looks like he always wanted to prank

1:15:34

someone or have a good time.

1:15:36

It was smiling and you know,

1:15:38

he didn't, he didn't hated him. Both

1:15:41

of them. He was, yes, he was scared to death of

1:15:43

them. He said they were

1:15:45

out of control and he didn't know if they would come over there and

1:15:47

try to hit him or he said,

1:15:49

they, they, he said, these, these guys are nuts. I

1:15:51

don't want them anywhere near me. You

1:15:54

know, and Bobby was very, because of

1:15:56

his neck surgery years ago, he was very protective

1:15:58

of being. hit. And

1:16:00

when we moved, when we moved

1:16:02

our, our table to ringside, he

1:16:05

didn't like that at all. And of course that

1:16:07

led to the famous Brian Pillman

1:16:10

jumping down and grabbing him on,

1:16:12

on live TV. And

1:16:15

when Bobby, that's right. And when Bobby

1:16:17

said what he said, you know, what, uh,

1:16:20

what the fuck are you doing or whatever? He said,

1:16:22

Bobby was legitimately petrified.

1:16:25

He was scared because he was always scared of

1:16:28

his neck. Okay.

1:16:31

Let's listen to a couple of guys shout. Okay.

1:16:33

Here we go. Jerry Sags. I'm going

1:16:35

to get to you in a moment. You took a horrible whack

1:16:37

over the head, but what about this tag

1:16:39

team situation? All of a sudden life

1:16:45

as this wrestling is

1:16:48

all about attitude

1:16:50

and ours has always

1:16:52

been nasty. The

1:17:01

big man, the big

1:17:03

man, along with that

1:17:07

lightning bolt, but through my stick

1:17:09

in head with a big

1:17:12

message, a big message

1:17:14

that says change

1:17:16

is inedible. We've

1:17:19

got the change. Hey,

1:17:22

street fight, put the nasty boys in there.

1:17:25

You got it. Chain match. I

1:17:27

almost broke my stick and neck like

1:17:29

sluger and state come down here. No

1:17:32

way they got 90 referees. All

1:17:34

I'm going to say is it'll be

1:17:36

a cold day in hell before

1:17:38

the nasty voice. Brian.

1:17:41

I'm he's

1:17:50

been, he's talking. Let me tell you something.

1:17:53

Oh God. shock

1:18:00

to us! But you

1:18:02

know what? I don't

1:18:04

see nothing wrong in what

1:18:07

he did either! What

1:18:09

are you talking about? You've got to be out

1:18:11

of your mind! We're all in this thing together

1:18:13

here, Nasty Boys! You're all in

1:18:15

this thing together! It

1:18:17

seems like the New World Order does

1:18:20

whatever they want, whatever they want to

1:18:22

do it, just like the Nasty Boys

1:18:25

used to do! Thank you very

1:18:28

much, gentlemen, the Nasty Boys certainly have

1:18:30

their cross to bear here at World

1:18:32

Championship. We're live from Orlando and this

1:18:34

is the MCM. Stay tuned as some

1:18:57

of the meat of this show is going to be later on.

1:18:59

Yes. Right, because

1:19:01

they're letting you tune

1:19:03

in, want to see what happened to Hulk Hogan.

1:19:05

I know we showed some slides so

1:19:08

far, so I guess the meat

1:19:10

of this is going to be coming up a little bit later on. But

1:19:14

also, I was thinking

1:19:16

about something when that promo was going on. Who

1:19:20

the hell is this? Oh my god, Jim

1:19:22

Powers. I

1:19:25

think in this era, Raw was still one hour,

1:19:29

so it makes sense that you would

1:19:31

load up the second hour, since that's

1:19:33

going to be the head-to-head hour. Yeah,

1:19:35

right. But

1:19:37

also, the Nasty Boys promo made me think

1:19:39

about something. Do you think that the

1:19:43

Road Warriors changed the way a lot

1:19:45

of people did their interviews? I hadn't

1:19:48

thought of that. Because Hulk

1:19:51

an animal screamed and

1:19:54

a lot of people

1:19:56

started to scream. Scott

1:19:59

Steiner screamed. How these interviews basically

1:20:01

didn't a lot of territory guys scream though. What's

1:20:04

that? Didn't a lot of territory guys scream though,

1:20:06

or am I just imagining that? Well,

1:20:08

I think they did, but I don't think they did

1:20:11

on a national level. Okay. That's fair. Yes. Like, like

1:20:13

the road warriors did. Well, wherever.

1:20:16

Yeah. And I, I think

1:20:18

that's in, we, there's guys who do that

1:20:20

now. Scream out their

1:20:22

interviews and you don't have to do that. I

1:20:25

tell them all the time is you don't have to scream. It's

1:20:31

crazy to see Rick flair out here

1:20:33

with a now deceased Elizabeth and a

1:20:36

now deceased woman and Deborah. Yeah.

1:20:38

Three ladies with him, but my goodness to the

1:20:40

three going way, way, way too

1:20:42

soon, totally different reasons. Jim

1:20:48

powers. That's a

1:20:50

name I didn't expect to see on the show today.

1:20:52

Yeah. Me, me. That's why I said, who in the hell

1:20:54

is this? Hey, you know what, Tony, we have been

1:20:56

talking for several minutes now and we have not yet brought

1:20:58

up. We did have some big names that happened this

1:21:00

last week that affected WCW, I guess. Um,

1:21:05

ice trains no longer with us. Unfortunately he passed

1:21:07

away way too young. I

1:21:09

saw some nice messages from Mark Mero

1:21:11

and from diamond Dallas page and our

1:21:13

buddy Dylan. Um, do you

1:21:16

have any ice train memories you can share with us? What

1:21:19

can you tell us about the guy? I mean, a lot

1:21:21

of us watched his matches, but we didn't know. Quote unquote

1:21:23

Harold. Yeah. Harold was

1:21:25

just a friendly guy, big smile.

1:21:27

And he was one of these guys and

1:21:30

there's a lot of guys out there like this, but there's a lot

1:21:32

of guys who are not. And this is

1:21:34

what I always loved about ice train. He

1:21:36

was a guy that just absolutely was

1:21:40

appreciative of his position in life

1:21:44

or his position in WCW. He,

1:21:46

he, he never caused problems and

1:21:49

he was so likable that I

1:21:52

think that's one of the reasons they used him. I mean, he

1:21:54

looked good. He was strong, but he

1:21:56

was, you know, there's, there's some guys there that

1:21:58

are easy to work with as you know, Ethan

1:22:01

and some guys who are not and

1:22:03

some guys who appreciate what they do, you know,

1:22:06

their place in life. And you're one

1:22:08

of those that, that always appreciates, you

1:22:10

know, what, what's going on with you and

1:22:13

make the best of it. And, uh, heist train did

1:22:15

the same thing. So I've always

1:22:17

appreciated people like that. And

1:22:21

there's a famous story out there about him. That's probably not

1:22:23

worth saying on here on, on

1:22:25

the, um, no, no,

1:22:28

we're not saying that tell that story. We all know it.

1:22:35

Jim powers Tony. What's

1:22:38

your favorite Jim powers match? Uh,

1:22:41

I think it's going on right now. It's the

1:22:43

one against Rick flair. Uh, it's one against

1:22:45

Rick flair. I think it was back on the 8th of July,

1:22:47

1996. Listen to

1:22:49

what, what season, what, what season was that?

1:22:51

What ever. Thank you. Yeah.

1:22:54

Get him. Get him. I

1:22:56

was going to do it. You did it. And

1:23:00

the reason I like it so much is that if

1:23:02

I recall Jim powers gave flair, great back body drop.

1:23:05

Okay. And flair did a

1:23:07

hair pull down. Oh, we remember our, I

1:23:09

remember Jim power snapping back up, being pissed.

1:23:12

And then Jimmy jet, the referee had to pull him away. So

1:23:15

those are the things I remember about the match. I

1:23:17

remember Jim powers looking around and

1:23:19

I remember flair looking at, and I remember looking at

1:23:21

Deborah a lot. Be honest with

1:23:23

you. Hey, let me ask you, uh, Ethan, you were

1:23:25

talking about the Samojo Scott Steiner match you enjoyed so

1:23:27

much. PNA does it make sense that that would have

1:23:29

been slain. Perversary of six. That's

1:23:32

all right. Yeah. I just wanted

1:23:34

to make sure I at least threw that out in case you

1:23:36

are listening to this and you're like, Hey, what match did he

1:23:38

like? Same anniversary of six. And I

1:23:40

want to say they had more than one. I think they had

1:23:42

two matches. Yeah. I saw

1:23:44

it. Believe it or not. They were involved in 34

1:23:46

matches together. Now some of

1:23:48

that's like, Oh, there you go. The man's a

1:23:51

gauntlet for the gold and tag matches and all that.

1:23:53

But when you were saying, Hey, it was a summer pay-per-view,

1:23:55

I was like, okay, this has got to be the one

1:23:57

that was June 18th, 2006. Yeah.

1:24:03

What I liked about the Jim powers match, if

1:24:05

I recall my favorite match was that side headlock

1:24:08

takeover that he had into

1:24:11

a side headlock that was really, really, that was really well

1:24:13

done. And I remember thinking, you know what? This is going

1:24:15

to be a good match. I remember

1:24:17

thinking that as

1:24:20

I hopped into a car and

1:24:22

left Disney quickly after my

1:24:25

time was over, I

1:24:27

didn't stay around with the rest of the show. I

1:24:29

think his last WCW match was, uh, Jim

1:24:32

powers pronouns pal December 15th,

1:24:36

1998, he put a lot more. So

1:24:41

he was around that long. Yeah. He made it a little

1:24:43

bit. And

1:24:46

then that was his last match in wrestling until

1:24:48

2007. He came out

1:24:50

to put a whooping on Tito Santana. I'll have,

1:24:52

you know, right? Wow. Well,

1:24:55

Jim looked pretty good. He had a great body. Great

1:24:57

look. But the problem with Jim was

1:25:00

a lot of people look like that. Right.

1:25:03

I mean, almost had a Scott Steiner type body in

1:25:05

a way. Yeah. So

1:25:08

there wasn't anything unique about him.

1:25:10

His first match was the month prior

1:25:13

to this. He made his debut on

1:25:15

nitro against DDP on June 10th wrestled

1:25:18

Michael Wall Street on main event,

1:25:21

Conan as a dark match, uh,

1:25:24

Hugh Morris as a dark match actually won that

1:25:26

one. And then this one. So he's a one,

1:25:29

one match coming into this one.

1:25:31

He is essentially, I guess a, uh,

1:25:33

enhancement talent here in WCW. Did

1:25:36

you see flair do a dance step with woman? How could

1:25:38

you know? It's

1:25:42

just funny that you were saying, like he looks

1:25:44

like Jim Powers looks like other people. Like there's

1:25:46

nothing to him. And then you have flair who's

1:25:49

the complete opposite. Right. The guy

1:25:51

in trunks, but when you watch him, he's

1:25:53

just so out of control, like colorful character.

1:25:55

He's dancing with women yelling at the crowd.

1:26:00

No, here's one of these spots. Yeah.

1:26:07

Jim Powers looks like he could have been a member of high

1:26:09

voltage. Wow. Yeah.

1:26:12

You know what? You might be on something. He could have been

1:26:14

the third member. Yeah, he could have.

1:26:17

Could have been rage, chaos and what Jim?

1:26:21

Rich chaos and Jim. Can

1:26:28

you imagine if the third member

1:26:30

of the LOD, this is

1:26:32

road warrior Hawk, this is animal and that's

1:26:34

Larry. Think

1:26:45

about the money that's just flowing freely here

1:26:47

in WCW. I

1:26:49

mean, Bobby Bobby Eaton got paid to walk

1:26:51

out to the ring with, with Jeeves attack

1:26:54

match earlier was interrupted by Colonel Robert

1:26:57

Parker and Sherry Martel and

1:26:59

standing around the ring. Largely

1:27:01

doing nothing. Elizabeth woman

1:27:03

and Deborah. It's

1:27:05

just so much cash for these

1:27:07

ancillary characters. Yeah.

1:27:12

That's the move. How can I get paid to just come

1:27:14

watch wrestling? What are you going

1:27:17

to do? I'm going to stand there. Don

1:27:19

red. We have a lot of guys

1:27:22

who do that now. Well,

1:27:25

I'm just saying we

1:27:28

do. Okay. And

1:27:31

I'm just blur me out laughing, please. And

1:27:36

I'm sure they have that. I'm sure they

1:27:38

have that in the WWE too. You

1:27:40

there, they always bring more people than

1:27:42

they need. They do. Well,

1:27:44

we, we should have got that fellow in the neck brace to check.

1:27:48

He contributed as much to this show as woman

1:27:50

did. How

1:27:54

would you rank Jim

1:27:56

Powers standing on the WCW roster?

1:27:58

Like, where would he? way,

1:28:02

way down hard by the

1:28:04

Harrison era or level. It's

1:28:06

just like, it's so, I like watching this

1:28:08

stuff back, especially cause like flares clearly. I

1:28:11

mean, even back then, one of the biggest

1:28:13

stars in wrestling, he just

1:28:15

got his ass kicked for like

1:28:17

70% of that match. Yeah.

1:28:21

And then just one. Yeah. Yeah. Great.

1:28:23

Like, that's classic Ric Flair. No,

1:28:26

for sure. But to me, it's like, what, that that's

1:28:29

the great heel. Yes. Yeah.

1:28:34

And that's why he was one

1:28:37

of the greatest, if not the greatest of all time. I

1:28:41

don't know why, but it tickles me to see Arne Anderson

1:28:43

and his full gear and a horseman

1:28:45

t-shirt, but also glasses. I

1:28:47

know we don't wrestle with glasses, but

1:28:50

it's like, you're kind of confused. Like, did

1:28:52

dad not finish getting dressed? Yeah.

1:28:54

I know. Or is this guy about to whip my ass or

1:28:56

both? He took the glasses off. They're

1:28:59

off now. For me,

1:29:01

woman, try restrain yourself. Joining

1:29:04

me the four horseman

1:29:06

Chris Benoit, still a US

1:29:09

champ from last night. Arne Anderson. I know

1:29:11

after last evening, a lot of

1:29:13

things running through even the minds of the horsemen, you

1:29:16

know, last night there was a lot of highs and

1:29:18

a lot of lows for the horseman, big

1:29:21

Michael, big win, flair.

1:29:24

Now the US champion. Things didn't go

1:29:26

exactly like we wanted. Consequently, we don't

1:29:28

get a title shot. But

1:29:30

what I saw at the end of the night made me want

1:29:33

to puke. You see the horseman

1:29:35

had never tried to be role models. We've

1:29:37

never claimed to be role models, but

1:29:39

there's a man out there that that was

1:29:42

his claim to fame. And there's a people

1:29:44

all across this world that their very

1:29:46

lives hinged on what he said.

1:29:49

What you did. I was

1:29:51

one of those that were the vengeance went

1:29:53

after you and you know who you are,

1:29:56

but it's not supposed to end like this.

1:29:58

You're supposed to stand for something. You're

1:30:01

not supposed to leave like

1:30:03

a thief in the night. Well,

1:30:05

everybody's heart that you stepped and stomped

1:30:08

on last night are going to rise

1:30:10

up to bite you and bite you

1:30:12

real hard. Ask me, I know. Got

1:30:15

a pretty good idea where that bite might take place. Steve

1:30:18

Mongo, McMichael, successful last night at

1:30:20

the Bashu Tabi. Insider,

1:30:23

outsider, just like

1:30:26

the term for horseman eludes

1:30:28

to, my friend. The apocalypse

1:30:30

is on the WCW and

1:30:32

it don't have anything to

1:30:34

do with anybody else but

1:30:36

the four horsemen. Thank

1:30:38

you very much, Nature Boy. Excuse

1:30:41

me? Who do

1:30:44

you think this is? Jumbo Jack Flash?

1:30:46

This is five times all

1:30:48

pro, five times the man. Show him

1:30:51

the ring. And

1:30:54

behind me, the enforcer,

1:30:56

double A, unparalleled. And

1:31:00

outsiders, insiders, until

1:31:02

you can heal the sick, wake

1:31:05

the dead and drive little

1:31:07

girls right out of the head. Whoo!

1:31:11

Giants, Giants, Giants,

1:31:14

there's a new champ in town, buddy. One

1:31:16

that can go all night long, right, girls?

1:31:19

Whoo! Thank you very much, gentlemen. They

1:31:21

are the four horsemen. They are an awesome crowd

1:31:23

at World Championship wrestling. Stay tuned for exciting action.

1:31:26

We are live. Who did now? Live for

1:31:28

Orlando. Give it a rest, Flair. This is not the

1:31:30

point of play. And

1:31:34

was there anybody who did a

1:31:37

promo like Ric Flair ever in

1:31:39

the history of Ever? That's

1:31:42

the first time I ever heard him saying to

1:31:44

heal the sick and wake the dead. Yeah.

1:31:47

Ever. And you're not

1:31:49

talking about Eric Bischoff and Bobby Heenan. We're a little

1:31:52

bit stuck. It's so hard to focus on the issues.

1:31:54

Yeah, those two dogs. You know, you've got Sting. You've

1:31:57

got the Macho Man Randy Savage. You've

1:31:59

got... And

1:32:01

whether you like him or not, you've got

1:32:03

the biggest man in the sport today. Seven

1:32:06

foot four hundred and forty some odd pounds,

1:32:08

450 pounds. The giant,

1:32:10

the world heavyweight champion, Rick Blair, the four

1:32:12

horsemen. You've got a lot of great athletes

1:32:15

here. And if anybody thinks that WCW is

1:32:17

going to dry up and blow away, I

1:32:19

got news for you. I said it a

1:32:21

couple of weeks ago. I'll say it again.

1:32:24

You know what? Maybe it's time to dig

1:32:26

in. Maybe now we start to

1:32:28

fight. And we've got the we got

1:32:30

the guns to do it with Eric. It's okay.

1:32:33

Nothing to worry about. We've got a lot of

1:32:35

horses here. We got a lot of guns. Now

1:32:37

we know who the third man is. We know

1:32:40

what it's all about. It's going to be easy

1:32:42

pickings. Let's start to get down. Let's. Ethan, what

1:32:44

do you think of the NWO storyline? You said

1:32:46

at the top of the program, you were more

1:32:48

of a WWF kid, but when

1:32:50

did you did you ever get into the NWO

1:32:52

storyline or no? Uh,

1:32:56

when it was finished. So

1:32:58

like as it's airing, no, kind

1:33:00

of like, oh, I'm getting into wrestling. I'm

1:33:03

hearing people talk about stuff. Maybe I should

1:33:05

go back and check stuff out. That's kind

1:33:07

of my wrestling knowledge, I guess. Tony,

1:33:14

you're still on the podcast with me here,

1:33:16

right? I

1:33:19

just wasn't sure if you were on. What happened? Yeah, I'm going. I'm

1:33:22

just doing great. Thank you very much. Okay. We're

1:33:25

just checking in. We'll, uh, we'll hit you back

1:33:27

after you're now. Yeah. Oh,

1:33:31

there's a, for you to sleep. Tell me my bad. Tell

1:33:33

us that, well, we're not, we haven't

1:33:36

been put asleep yet, but get ready.

1:33:41

Come sergeant Craig fitment, who was a good guy, but

1:33:43

man, just

1:33:45

didn't really fit. Yeah.

1:33:50

I mean, that character was probably better suited

1:33:52

for the eighties. Wouldn't you think? Exactly.

1:33:56

I mean, in the eighties, I could have

1:33:58

seen that working. Oh, well here's

1:34:00

the man of the nineties, uh, uh,

1:34:03

redacted now, Chris Benoit. I

1:34:07

gotta be in singles action here against,

1:34:09

um, Sergeant Craig Pittman and Teddy

1:34:12

long before I was in pic. I

1:34:14

mean, Teddy long, when he looked like Teddy long, you

1:34:18

just say before was that big. Yeah. I

1:34:23

mean, Teddy long looks like half of the

1:34:25

man that he was here. He was eating

1:34:27

good in the neighborhood right here. Yeah.

1:34:30

Yeah. Oh,

1:34:32

well, you know, sometimes old age, old age will do

1:34:34

that to you. It'll thin you

1:34:37

out. This is what we do. And

1:34:39

we get our genital stuff out of the way right

1:34:41

up front. Too

1:34:44

funny. I

1:34:46

know you guys are saying you don't like

1:34:49

his gimmick, but can I give a shout

1:34:51

out to the infantry because I think those

1:34:53

guys are freaking awesome. Oh, for sure. Pretty

1:34:55

similar. Yeah. I think they're

1:34:57

great. But I

1:34:59

know what Conrad saying this, this gimmick probably would have

1:35:02

worked a lot better, uh, with the

1:35:04

Sergeant slaughter characters that we had

1:35:06

in the eighties when it was

1:35:08

America versus the Russians and blah,

1:35:10

blah, blah. I mean, that was

1:35:12

the style of storytelling back then. So, right. No,

1:35:17

but to your point, the infantry super underrated

1:35:20

tag team. Yeah. I

1:35:23

feel like they give us more realistic take

1:35:25

on the character and also

1:35:27

that German that he just gave Ben while I was in

1:35:29

Spain. Yeah.

1:35:34

Craig Pittman was a stud man. He really

1:35:36

was. But,

1:35:38

but again, the gimmick was kind

1:35:40

of like, it was kind of like Ranger Ross,

1:35:43

how about just a big slap in the back of the

1:35:45

head? There's

1:35:47

not much that would piss me off in

1:35:50

the ring. That was definitely one of them.

1:35:52

Oh yeah. Oh

1:35:54

yeah. Uh,

1:36:01

what, what was, uh, I

1:36:03

don't know. I should know this, but I really

1:36:05

don't. What was range of what was range? What

1:36:08

was Craig Pittman's background as far

1:36:10

as pro look at that slap pro Russia is

1:36:12

concerned, I mean, did he have

1:36:14

a wrestling background at all? Did

1:36:16

he wrestle in the armed forces? I don't know. Cause

1:36:21

he kind of like came in and left and that was

1:36:23

it. We'd ever sound like never saw him again. He,

1:36:26

uh, started or he had his last match in 2011, of

1:36:28

course, at an indie show. He

1:36:32

was with WCW until, uh, may 13th,

1:36:34

1997. He

1:36:36

would finish up with Steven Regal

1:36:39

at a WCW Saturday night taping. So

1:36:42

if I can figure out when he

1:36:44

first started company, you're looking

1:36:46

about another year to go in his career

1:36:48

in WCW, believe it or not, November 2nd,

1:36:51

1993, him and buddy Lee Parker working

1:36:53

a house show in, uh, Kennesaw, Georgia.

1:36:56

Okay. So that's four years and

1:36:59

that working with buddy Lee Parker in his first

1:37:01

match tells me he was a product of the

1:37:04

power plant, the power plant. Yeah.

1:37:06

He only had a handful of matches on TV in

1:37:08

94. It's like he got

1:37:10

to be used a lot more regularly in 1995 and 96.

1:37:14

And then it comes to an end in 97, but yeah. Craig

1:37:20

fitment. Yeah.

1:37:24

Any long end Crippler cross

1:37:26

faces on trying to wave it off. Give

1:37:28

it up. Yeah. Give it

1:37:30

up. Thumbs up. I'm good. I'm good. Oh

1:37:33

my God. No

1:37:37

tap and just thanks

1:37:40

guys. Hey,

1:37:42

I figured it out. Tony just see,

1:37:44

no, uh, through my Google machine and

1:37:46

he's from Paris Island, South Carolina, where

1:37:49

all the Marines go to bootcamp and, uh, he

1:37:51

was indeed trained

1:37:54

by Jody Hamilton and Terry Taylor at the power

1:37:56

plant. There you go. When

1:37:59

did that become? such a cultural thing

1:38:01

in wrestling that it mattered where you

1:38:03

were trained. Cause I remember guys

1:38:06

would kind of break in by literally just getting

1:38:08

their asses kicked and traveling. And then

1:38:10

slowly they would be given, you know, Oh, do

1:38:12

this this way, do this this way. And

1:38:15

then it became such a thing to be

1:38:17

like, Oh, well, who's your trainer? What school

1:38:19

did you go to? What are your credentials?

1:38:21

Like, when did that happen? It

1:38:25

happened. What happened during my 18 years off. I

1:38:27

can tell you that. I

1:38:29

guess it happened when, I guess happened

1:38:31

when, when a wrestling trainers

1:38:34

kind of blew up, didn't they? I mean,

1:38:36

you never heard of wrestling trainers and now you

1:38:38

hear of hundreds

1:38:41

of them. Yeah. It's

1:38:43

almost like, um, I dunno,

1:38:46

my, uh, my biggest

1:38:48

fear is getting scammed. And

1:38:53

my whole thing is like, Oh, this is just a

1:38:55

monetary thing. Now we changed the norm

1:38:57

so that people can say like, well, you

1:38:59

need to go to a school, you need

1:39:01

to do this to be accepted under like

1:39:03

the new, like rules of wrestling.

1:39:06

And I'm only saying this cause I was

1:39:08

never trained to be a pro wrestler. So

1:39:10

I'm just curious. Like when, when was it

1:39:13

normal to kind of force people

1:39:15

into following a specific path? That's

1:39:18

a good question. I've always thought, and you said

1:39:20

I'm scared of being scammed. I always, I always

1:39:23

kind of looked at, and

1:39:25

maybe I'm wrong. And I know there's been

1:39:27

some other schools that have been good. Like

1:39:29

the monster factory has been a good one, but

1:39:32

I've always looked at guys who didn't have

1:39:34

a lot of television time or a lot

1:39:36

of experience opening up a wrestling

1:39:38

school to me, I kind of looked at,

1:39:41

you know, like

1:39:43

guys like me too. Right. Like

1:39:46

there's guys who, who have had

1:39:48

a lot of time on television who have opened up schools

1:39:50

like Booker T. Malachi

1:39:53

Black's got one, Cody and, and,

1:39:55

and QT have one. A

1:39:59

lot of TV time. time, a lot of time

1:40:01

wrestling guys. And so

1:40:03

those trainers are legit, but

1:40:06

guys that you never heard of, right? And

1:40:09

they're training wrestlers. It's like, I

1:40:11

don't know, man. They're just trying to make a buck. Yeah.

1:40:14

That's how my brain was too. And then I

1:40:16

was, I remember telling my dad, like, do

1:40:19

I want to go train with this guy? He's

1:40:21

never done anything. I don't want to have his

1:40:23

career. Yeah. That's

1:40:25

right. Because if you

1:40:28

go with somebody who's on TV and

1:40:30

someone who's been around, you're hoping

1:40:32

that if you look

1:40:34

good, they'll have to get booked. Yeah.

1:40:37

Or at least meet someone or go to a

1:40:39

show and, you know, make some connections or learn

1:40:41

something at least. Exactly. How

1:40:44

about this? A main event. It

1:40:46

is. And what a main event it is.

1:40:48

We got Sting and Lex Luger. And of

1:40:50

course we are going to get

1:40:52

some comments from Hulk Hogan the night after he

1:40:54

turned heel. So that's still to come, but

1:40:57

it's interesting. We see a arm here rocking the

1:40:59

black and silver boots, but he's got tape on

1:41:01

that left ankle. I'm

1:41:03

sure that'll be part of the match and part of the

1:41:06

story. The third man in the ring is Nick Patrick. And

1:41:09

I'm in the neck brace is hanging tough here for the

1:41:11

stinger. Yes, he is, man. You

1:41:14

know, from a distance, it kind of looks like Klondike Bill

1:41:16

with the neck brace. I

1:41:20

would ask how he hurt his neck. If it was Klondike Bill,

1:41:22

but I know the answer. You know, the

1:41:24

answer to that. Got it turned the wrong way or

1:41:26

got it stuck. Somebody

1:41:29

sat on it. Something

1:41:31

they fed on. Uh, Klondike was

1:41:33

still with us back then. So,

1:41:39

but he would pass away about four years later. Tony,

1:41:42

one of the old, uh, classic

1:41:44

things I used to enjoy at

1:41:46

wrestling shows are seeing the, the old

1:41:48

ladies in the front row argue with the

1:41:50

wrestlers. And it was a pretty

1:41:52

famous, uh, meme, I guess, or, or Jeff or

1:41:55

gift or however you want to say it, where

1:41:57

Hulk Hogan in full NWO.

1:42:00

is arguing with a meme on the front row. Did

1:42:02

you ever see that in

1:42:04

person and one in particular stand out

1:42:06

more than all the others? Well,

1:42:11

not an old lady, but

1:42:13

an old man. And it's, it's in my comic

1:42:15

book, uh, where my uncle

1:42:17

John hit Greg Valentine on the head with a

1:42:20

cane. Uh, that

1:42:22

was what a Senate that

1:42:25

that is forever etched in my

1:42:27

brain. You know, the,

1:42:29

you know, he had the, he had those,

1:42:32

uh, two steel canes, right? And he walked

1:42:34

with her like this and had the cuffs

1:42:36

for the, uh, the triceps. He's

1:42:38

walking like this and one of those steel canes goes

1:42:40

up and uncle John shook all the time. Okay.

1:42:43

So we're at the other side, but you're not at the other side.

1:42:45

My cousin, but you the other side. And we

1:42:47

see that still can't go over there shaking and

1:42:50

there's no doubt who it is. And

1:42:52

I look at it comes crashing down to Greg

1:42:54

Valentine's head. So, uh,

1:42:57

that's one that sticks out to me, but as far as an

1:42:59

old lady, no, but there were

1:43:01

plenty. I mean, there were plenty of them. Hey,

1:43:05

we're, uh, we're promoting glacier again.

1:43:10

Yeah. Right in the middle of a sting match. Glacial

1:43:14

trauma. You know, it

1:43:16

is a, it is a well done promo. I

1:43:20

think it's pretty cool, but it almost is

1:43:23

to your point though. It felt

1:43:25

like as a kid watching, it felt

1:43:28

like this is going to

1:43:30

be a mortal combat type experience, but

1:43:33

you can't really deliver on a

1:43:35

video game experience with

1:43:37

real human beings. Like unless

1:43:40

glacier was going to start ripping people's hearts

1:43:42

out and screaming finish him, I ain't buying

1:43:44

it. I

1:43:47

think Conrad, I was going to say,

1:43:49

I think the King go and commander

1:43:51

disagree. Yeah. Well, yes. There you

1:43:54

go. Yeah. Yeah,

1:44:02

times have changed, and of course, we

1:44:08

all looked at that back then

1:44:10

thinking, okay. But we

1:44:12

all looked at that thinking, okay,

1:44:15

don't really know if this is going to work or not, but

1:44:18

give it a shot. And

1:44:24

okay, put it this way. If

1:44:27

Glacier would have been 6'8", okay, 310 pounds

1:44:31

of just solid, it may

1:44:33

have been a little bit

1:44:39

better, a dominant guy. But

1:44:43

it was Ray who looked like a pro

1:44:45

wrestler, a regular pro wrestler in

1:44:48

a gimmick. And

1:44:51

it's easy to sit back now and talk about

1:44:53

it like that. Honestly,

1:44:56

I know you're saying if he was

1:44:58

bigger and more muscular, I truly think

1:45:00

if they gave it to one of

1:45:03

the cruiserweights, it could have ended up

1:45:05

being an iconic lucha character.

1:45:09

Like imagine Ultimo Dragon dressed up as

1:45:11

the Mortal Kombat style character doing his

1:45:13

spin kicks and all that kind of

1:45:15

stuff. Right. Yeah,

1:45:18

that's a good point. You're

1:45:20

probably exactly right. Give it to

1:45:23

a luchador. Think about Ray Mysterio when he

1:45:25

used to come out dressed as Spider-Man or

1:45:27

whatever. Same thing. Yeah.

1:45:30

Very well said. Can

1:45:32

you imagine if we tried some of that with Arne

1:45:35

Anderson? Like

1:45:38

just hypothetically, remember they wanted to

1:45:40

have Ric Flair cut his hair and put an

1:45:42

earring in and dress up like Spartacus. Now

1:45:45

Arne, for you, we've got this character

1:45:47

in mind called Glacier. How are

1:45:49

your Crescent kicks? Or

1:45:54

Arne, you just put a bucket on his head and call him

1:45:56

Buckethead. That's all.

1:45:59

Or Jack-O-Lantern on his head. said calling pumpkin head that

1:46:03

to me would work for him. And

1:46:07

by the way, they're having a, they're having a pretty

1:46:09

good match here. But through

1:46:12

all of us talking about glacier here,

1:46:14

the fans are, um, now

1:46:17

maybe burnout or maybe they're

1:46:19

accustomed to the high

1:46:22

flying action that we saw from the

1:46:24

mysterious and the psychosis earlier. And now,

1:46:27

you know, working a standard old school,

1:46:29

traditional wrestling match. I'm

1:46:31

not saying they're not entertained, but I

1:46:34

am saying they're not jumping up and down and

1:46:36

hooting and hollering and all that jazz. And

1:46:38

they just saw Ric Flair and some beautiful women too. Yeah. It

1:46:40

was a lot, a lot on this. Yeah. A

1:46:43

lot. Yes. Absolutely a lot. But

1:46:48

of course, uh, it's all about the main

1:46:50

story. And we know sting was in that

1:46:52

main event the night before when Hulk Hogan

1:46:54

turned heel. And, uh,

1:46:56

I think here in a momentarily, we're going

1:46:58

to see Holland Nash. We're

1:47:01

not actually going to hear from Hogan. There you go.

1:47:03

There's the limousine. But look

1:47:05

at the people starting to take a

1:47:07

look at it and wonder like, Hey, what's going on here?

1:47:09

What's, what's on in there? You

1:47:12

know what's, you know, what's odd. And of

1:47:14

course you'll probably say that this doesn't surprise

1:47:16

you about me. But when

1:47:18

we think about that Hulk Hogan angle, I

1:47:21

remember the angle. I

1:47:23

do not remember who was wrestling in that match when

1:47:25

he came out. And you just said, sting. I

1:47:28

have no idea it was in that match. It

1:47:30

was staying at Macho man, Randy Savage and Lex

1:47:32

Luger against Scott Hall, Kevin Nash and a mystery

1:47:34

man. Wow. How

1:47:38

about that? It's

1:47:41

interesting. Holland Nash were a part of it, but

1:47:44

amazing. And I guess the

1:47:46

backup plan was if, if even

1:47:48

the day of, if Hulk got cold feet, maybe

1:47:52

they would have done the injury angle instead

1:47:54

of a flex where Lex gets carted off, they would have done

1:47:56

it with sting instead of

1:47:59

Hogan walking down. the ramp, it would have been Lex

1:48:01

walking down the ramp and then joining

1:48:04

Scott Hall and Kevin Nash. That's

1:48:07

why, that's why people talk about this. Um,

1:48:11

they say that Bobby Heenan gave it away, right? There's

1:48:13

a lot of people that say that. I don't believe

1:48:15

that though, because I don't believe that's not true. I

1:48:17

can tell you that's not true because we did not

1:48:19

know. Right. But

1:48:22

I did not know. I did not know. We did not know

1:48:24

who it was going to be. And when Hogan walked down, we

1:48:27

thought Hogan was going to jump them. And then

1:48:29

somebody would jump Hogan or

1:48:31

somebody else would come down and jump Hogan. So we

1:48:33

didn't know. And, uh, that's

1:48:36

why people think him saying who's, who's side is

1:48:38

he on? That's the line that they say gives it

1:48:41

away. That's right. There's a lot of people say

1:48:43

whose side is he on? Yeah.

1:48:45

Yeah. But, but if you listen to his commentary

1:48:47

in the eighties and the WWF, hated was always

1:48:49

acting like Hogan was a heel. Right.

1:48:52

Well, it was nothing different there. That

1:48:54

you couldn't trust whole coagulant. Yeah. That's right.

1:48:56

That's, that's, that's. We did

1:48:58

not know. And, uh, and I've said

1:49:00

that many times and, uh,

1:49:02

the outsider is trying to take over their

1:49:05

show, those sumbitches. There's a chief

1:49:08

of security, Mr. Doug Dillinger. It

1:49:10

looks like uncle laser back there

1:49:12

with his, uh, I'll let track

1:49:14

a little bit of the commentary. See what I'm saying. And

1:49:21

look at our Anderson. They have

1:49:23

stopped the fight inside. No,

1:49:26

Anderson now going after. I

1:49:31

liked it. Aren't used that distraction as an opportunity to

1:49:33

cheat like, Hey, we're all united against these guys. No,

1:49:35

we're not. I'm going to try to do a DDT.

1:49:39

I got right to the finish though. You

1:49:41

had a question or something. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1:49:44

Yeah. Yeah. It's a stupid question. I asked the

1:49:47

dumbest stuff. I, so the

1:49:49

outsiders would always come out. I'm a huge,

1:49:52

uh, razor Ramon Scott Hall fan. Sure.

1:49:54

Like I'd watch all their stuff and

1:49:56

there would be weeks of episodes that

1:49:59

Scott or now. would come out and it's like,

1:50:01

he's wearing his kid's high

1:50:03

school or local elementary school t-shirt,

1:50:05

or it's like a t-shirt from

1:50:08

like a strip club. Who's

1:50:10

approving this wardrobe on this 8 million

1:50:14

viewed national televised show where

1:50:16

it's just like, Oh yeah, I'm going to

1:50:18

walk out with this. Like who's

1:50:20

like, yeah, it's good outfit. Nobody. They

1:50:22

just did what the fuck I wanted. That's

1:50:25

so crazy. Wrestling

1:50:29

is the craziest thing in the world. It

1:50:31

is. It is. Now

1:50:35

these days we do put some effort

1:50:37

into telling people, you know, don't wear

1:50:39

that. And sometimes they'll still

1:50:41

slip shit on before they walk out. Uh,

1:50:44

but yeah, but back then it's just like,

1:50:47

it was the wild, wild West back then, man. Yeah.

1:50:51

But then you have guys like that who are wearing

1:50:53

this real world stuff. And then you got the macho

1:50:55

man. Yes. The

1:50:57

pro, the freaking pro

1:50:59

buddy. Yeah. The

1:51:01

back. I love the macho

1:51:04

man. Me too. The pro of pros brother.

1:51:08

And I say that in, and I tell stories. Uh,

1:51:13

there's one time written,

1:51:15

I got into an argument about this