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Back with

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the

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The Hey,

1:17

hey, it's Conrad Thompson and you're listening to

1:19

what happened to win with

1:21

the voice of your childhood, Tony,

1:23

what's going on, man? How

1:26

are you? Well, here we are

1:28

back together again. Uh, Conrad, how are you

1:30

doing? Uh, happy new year to you and

1:32

everyone. How about it? 20, 24. Is it

1:34

new year? New you, Tony. Is that what

1:36

it is? It's

1:39

new year, same old shit hit. Well, uh,

1:42

you know, uh, let's

1:44

see January. What's

1:46

it going to be? Uh, when we celebrate another

1:48

year. I mean, right now, all right. I

1:51

mean, it's this month here and in the month is

1:53

January, right? Who

1:56

would have thought as you're watching, uh,

1:59

the guy we now know. is big bill in

2:01

the Royal Rumble in San Antonio, all these

2:03

years later, you would personally

2:06

know that guy and be

2:08

so knee deep in the wrestling business. Yeah.

2:10

Nobody would have ever guessed that. What a fun little

2:12

ride this has been here on what happened when, huh?

2:15

Yeah. And a shout out to big bill

2:17

who, uh, really put his life

2:19

back together on a personal note for him and

2:22

has become a, just a real great

2:25

guy to have at AEW. Uh,

2:29

big bill, of course, big cast at that time. And,

2:32

uh, I went

2:34

on to, uh, I went

2:39

on to, to be in this business. Uh,

2:43

fuck you for that, Conrad. And he's

2:45

a tag team champion. Look, everybody's, uh,

2:47

in a much happier place most of

2:50

the time. Maybe. Hey, listen,

2:52

we, uh, we got to

2:54

suffer through bowl season. I say suffer through because

2:57

all those hapless Florida state Seminoles just

2:59

got. Just

3:01

destroyed by your Georgia Bulldogs. And,

3:04

uh, somehow, some way Alabama did

3:07

not make the national championship. Michigan

3:09

dominated Washington. They are the new

3:11

champs. Did

3:13

you watch any of the bowls at all Tony,

3:15

or are you just divorced from college sports? Yeah.

3:19

I'm divorced from sports to

3:21

be honest with you. Didn't watch,

3:25

didn't watch any of that. Uh,

3:27

didn't watch any of the world series, uh,

3:30

last year, didn't watch any

3:32

of the Superbowl I'm

3:35

going to be in Las Vegas

3:37

on Superbowl Sunday kind

3:39

of well, kind of. And I won't watch

3:41

any of that. Um, so

3:44

I, I really don't watch sports at all

3:46

anymore, Conrad. I just, well, that's,

3:48

that's not true. I got the NFL package and

3:51

I will turn on the Jaguars now and then. Uh,

3:54

you know, they, they obviously really,

3:56

really, uh, choked it at

3:58

the end. Yeah, man. Boy, did they

4:00

ever. Yeah. I,

4:03

uh, I

4:05

saw perhaps the best use of the Kurt

4:07

angle meme of all time in, in,

4:10

in regards to the Jags missing the playoffs, but I thought

4:12

for sure they were in. I mean, it feels like just

4:14

a handful of weeks ago. I saw

4:16

lots of people saying they were Super Bowl contenders

4:18

and darn it. They missed it. Uh,

4:21

so I'm excited to see next season.

4:23

I know that, uh, you know,

4:25

the NFL still continues, but I

4:27

think next year is going to be an interesting year as a college

4:29

football fan. You know, we've got Texas

4:32

and Oklahoma coming into the SEC. I

4:34

don't know if that's going to work out the way Jr. Maybe hopes.

4:38

I'm not so sure how it's going to work out.

4:40

And of course we're going to have a 12 team

4:42

playoff as well. Mm-hmm. Uh, next season for

4:45

the Georgia Bulldogs. Uh, it's going

4:47

to be one of their toughest seasons. Uh,

4:49

I know I saw on ESPN now. I

4:53

don't really watch sports because I don't know.

4:55

I just, but I

4:57

will read about it and I

4:59

will go on the app on the ESPN app

5:02

and read some things and it's,

5:04

uh, it, it

5:06

humors me to, it humors

5:08

me to look on the ESPN app and

5:10

see all the headlines a lot of times

5:13

and a lot of times the headlines, most

5:15

of the time the headlines on ESPN are

5:17

not about the games. It's

5:19

about people being in trouble or

5:23

doing something illegal. It

5:25

just, to me, it just kind of is a

5:27

snippet of the, of the sports world now. Uh,

5:31

but so I'll go on and I'll

5:33

read about what is going on, but I won't

5:35

watch it. And, uh, but,

5:38

uh, for our Georgia fans, I

5:41

read that they are favorites to be the

5:43

national champions next year already. I

5:45

don't know how you can do that. Uh,

5:47

but they must play at Alabama and play

5:50

at Texas. It's going to be tough. Regular

5:52

season next year. Holy

5:54

smokes. Yeah. I saw a little,

5:56

uh, preseason talk about early preseason.

5:58

I mean, like. the night

6:00

of the national championship. I saw a prediction

6:02

of the top 25 Georgia was

6:05

number one. Texas was number two. I forget who

6:07

was number three Alabama was number four. So

6:09

it's like, you know, three of the top four

6:12

being in the SEC next year. Woo.

6:15

It's going to be interesting. And speaking of

6:17

interesting, it's not just regular sports that

6:19

have happened since you and I hooked it up. AEW

6:21

had their last pay-per-view of 2023 and what a show it

6:23

was. AEW

6:26

seemingly always over delivers on pay-per-view. I don't

6:28

think this was any exception. I

6:31

enjoyed the, uh, uh, Andrade Miro

6:33

match and certainly enjoyed Washington

6:35

Swarff Strickland do his thing. Sting

6:37

back on pay-per-view. Always find Adam

6:40

Copeland and Christian cage tore it up, but

6:43

I'm really happy for our friend Eddie Kingston.

6:46

Now the triple crown winner. He's won

6:49

the continental classic. He's got

6:51

the ROH world title. He's got the new

6:53

Japan strong open weight championship and

6:56

now the inaugural AEW continental

6:58

championship. You talked about what

7:00

a great story big bill has in wrestling.

7:02

Eddie Kingston's got to be right up there for one

7:04

of the best feel good stories since

7:07

you and I started doing this podcast. Eddie's

7:10

one of my favorites. Uh, will

7:14

you agree? Yes, absolutely. I

7:18

mean, when, when I, when I think about, uh,

7:22

and when I, when I think about all the, all the,

7:24

uh, different guys that I've worked with, the

7:27

Eddie is, Eddie's one of those real guys,

7:30

real guys that

7:33

what you see is kind of what you get.

7:36

Yes. On TV. So I have

7:38

a lot of time for Eddie Kingston. A lot of time.

7:40

I'm so glad. You know, when he first

7:42

came aboard, you, you were, I didn't know anything

7:44

about him because I had been out of wrestling.

7:46

Right. And you said, I'm so glad Eddie Kingston

7:48

is getting a chance with a major promotion. Uh,

7:52

and he continues just

7:54

to perform well. And his match

7:56

against John Moxley was tremendous. His

7:58

match against Trent. of the other night was very

8:01

good. Uh, and, uh,

8:03

he just gives you, it gives you good

8:05

performances every, every time. So never

8:08

disappointed with Eddie Kingston in the ring and

8:10

in the main event, unbelievably, somehow, some

8:13

way we've got a new world champ

8:15

MJF felt like the forever AEW champ.

8:17

He was the longest reigning AEW champion

8:19

in their brief history. And now

8:21

Samoa Joe is the top guy. Uh,

8:24

Samoa Joe has obviously been to the mountain

8:26

top before and ring of honor and TNA,

8:29

but now in AEW, and

8:31

this is years after a WWE

8:33

basically decided, Hey, let's make him an

8:36

announcer. It's really awesome to see

8:38

him still doing his thing and at a high

8:40

level in AEW. Samoa Joe is

8:42

special. I know that this AEW experience is

8:44

really one of your first, uh,

8:47

encounters with him. What'd you think of, uh,

8:49

the performance he and MJF put together? Uh,

8:52

it was a great match. And

8:55

I'm thrilled

8:58

that Samoa Joe is our

9:00

champion because, uh, backstage wise, he's

9:02

a pros pro. There's

9:05

nobody backstage, uh,

9:07

that is better and a, and a leader backstage

9:10

for the boys than Samoa

9:12

Joe. And he just,

9:14

he leads by example. And,

9:17

um, I think it's, it's a

9:19

great move to have him as our world champion. I'm

9:22

all about Samoa Joe, buddy. I'm

9:24

all about Samoa Joe too. It's a fun

9:27

time to be an AEW fan. They're coming

9:29

to a town near you. Pick up tickets

9:31

now. AEW T I x.com. Uh,

9:34

Tony, I'm excited for us to talk about our

9:37

topic today because our topic today, I thought

9:39

maybe we should do something a little more

9:41

timely since you and I have, uh, enjoyed

9:43

the holiday season, a fabulous

9:46

new movie, maybe the best wrestling movie

9:48

ever has come out the iron

9:50

claw. And it's sort of

9:52

the story of the Von Erickson world-class championship

9:54

wrestling. I saw it in the theater

9:56

the first day they showed it in my market and

9:59

was thrilled. to say that I thought they

10:01

did a pretty good job. I mean, obviously there's

10:03

some creative license and you can't include

10:05

every piece of every story and there's some timeline

10:07

things. If you want to nitpick, you can find

10:10

some things to nitpick, but as

10:12

far as really telling the human element,

10:15

I thought it was pretty good. Have you had

10:17

a chance to see it or what have you heard about it, if not?

10:20

I've heard it's been it's very good and everybody

10:22

has really been talking about it backstage. Of

10:24

course, I haven't seen it. The pandemic just

10:27

kind of changed the way I watch

10:29

movies. I haven't gone to the theater

10:31

in a long, long time. I'm

10:33

the type of curmudgeon that says, I'll

10:36

wait until it comes out on video.

10:40

I mean, look, I was a

10:43

gigantic growing up

10:46

and for a long time and really still

10:48

am a gigantic James Bond fan.

10:51

When that new James Bond movie came out,

10:54

No Time to Kill or something like that, I didn't

10:57

go to the theater and see it.

10:59

It's the first time I never went

11:01

to the theater or that I ever

11:03

missed a James Bond movie in the

11:05

theater. My theater days, I guess,

11:08

a combination of the pandemic and getting into

11:11

the habit of not going, I'm

11:14

not going to theater, but I'm looking forward to

11:16

seeing it. And who knows,

11:18

maybe I'll convince Lois to go

11:20

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11:22

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11:24

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12:47

Tony, I thought we would watch a

12:49

little old school world class championship wrestling,

12:52

but I have to admit, I'm not

12:54

really a world class expert, are you? I've

12:58

watched a lot of it

13:02

since a lot of it

13:04

was put on the network. But

13:07

no, I'm not. With the exception of, I

13:10

was working back

13:12

in the 80s back and got

13:14

to meet Kevin and

13:18

David. And of

13:20

course, Gary Hart worked with us and was working

13:22

at world class at the same time. I

13:25

think it was booking world class and still making

13:27

appearances for Jim Crockett promotions back in the 80s

13:29

as well. But

13:34

no, I'm probably

13:36

no more familiar with it than you are,

13:39

Conrad. Well, I thought, hey, if we're

13:41

going to watch world class and some of their best

13:43

moments, we need to call an expert. As they used

13:45

to say on who wants to be a millionaire, we

13:47

need to phone a friend. Oh, wow.

13:50

I pulled out the old handy dandy

13:52

Rolodex and I found somebody who knows

13:55

more about world class championship wrestling

13:57

than probably anybody, ladies and

13:59

gentlemen. when Mr. David Manning, the life of the

14:02

party is here. How are you? Mr. Manning? I

14:04

am fantastic. Appreciate you guys having me on

14:07

man. Thanks for coming on. I greatly appreciate

14:09

the opportunity to talk to you. Have you

14:11

seen the movie? What did you think of

14:13

the iron claw? Yeah, I

14:15

saw the, uh, uh, the Dallas premiere

14:18

and, um, uh, my

14:22

son Sean went with me and,

14:24

uh, you know, he's a mid

14:26

thirties. So it

14:29

was hard for me because I know

14:31

every detail. Yes. And

14:33

so you couldn't

14:35

tell the Von Erich story in two days. That's right.

14:38

Okay. And so I

14:41

finally had to just step back and say, Hey,

14:43

look, look at it from kind of like everybody

14:45

else is, um, you

14:48

know, cause the timelines and the death

14:51

and, you know, and

14:53

nobody, nobody, everybody knows I'm the one that

14:55

actually told friends that David was dead. And,

14:58

um, so, so it was hard for me.

15:00

And I told, um, Dirk

15:03

and I saw him that night at the after party and,

15:06

you know, and I told, uh, Zach Efron and all them,

15:08

they did a good job and which they

15:10

did. And, um, it

15:13

was funny because they didn't, they didn't consult with

15:15

me or Kevin. Really? And we're only two really

15:17

alive that lived it. Uh,

15:20

you know, a lot of people can tell the story. We

15:22

lived the story. And so,

15:24

um, I, uh,

15:27

they thought they got all the tragedies in, but they

15:30

didn't. And I, I told him a couple others, they

15:32

missed and he was kind of shocked. I said, you

15:34

should have talked to us, but overall

15:36

my son loved it. So

15:38

that tells me right there. Fan is

15:40

going to go see it and they're going to love it. Um,

15:43

and, um, like you said, I think

15:45

it's by far the best wrestling shows ever been produced.

15:47

Yeah. Uh, David, let me

15:49

ask you if they did not consult with you

15:51

nor, nor Kevin. Where did they get

15:53

their information from Wikipedia? Well,

15:56

you know, uh, when

15:58

we got to the after party. Um, uh,

16:00

J.R. Schumann was there and he, he wanted

16:02

to introduce me to Durkin. And when we

16:04

got over there, he immediately said, Oh, David

16:07

Manning, blah, blah, blah. So he grew up

16:09

a big, big, big fan. Okay.

16:12

And, um, the best I can say is.

16:17

You know, I, I don't know where they got

16:20

their info. I was a matter of fact, Kevin

16:22

called me, he had talked

16:24

to him early and he told them,

16:26

you need to talk to David Manning. He

16:28

said, because a lot of it, I don't even

16:31

remember, but he said he remembers everything. Yeah.

16:33

And so Kevin called me and said, you're going to

16:35

get a call from these guys. I, it seems as

16:38

though they're really going to try to do, you know,

16:40

do the story, right. And, uh,

16:42

you know, not try to bash the

16:44

Von Eric's. And so,

16:46

um, I, I

16:48

expected to call, never got it. So, but

16:51

I liked the movie and I thought some of

16:54

the casting was phenomenal. I thought Fritz was

16:56

dead on. I did not

16:58

like the way they portrayed Fritz. Um,

17:00

he was a phenomenal businessman.

17:03

And I give you a great example. He did

17:06

not want Kerry to leave Houston. He wanted him

17:08

to finish school and

17:10

he was adamant. He wasn't getting in that

17:12

ring until he, he graduated. And then after

17:14

the Olympics got boycotted, Kerry immediately

17:16

said, I, you know, dad, I want to

17:18

get in the ring and Kerry pushed and

17:20

pushed and pushed and finally got him. Hmm.

17:23

And I think the other, the other big thing in the movie

17:25

that was all based was Kevin's

17:28

wife, Pam, he

17:30

didn't meet her at the wrestling hatches. She,

17:32

she was a grade behind Kerry and them.

17:35

And so Kev met her through

17:38

school with the boys and

17:40

chased her for about three months, trying to get her to go out

17:42

with him. So,

17:45

so I kind of felt sorry for her

17:47

the way she was kind of portrayed in the movie.

17:49

But, um, it's

17:52

like Kristen said, you know, uh, Kevin's

17:56

oldest daughter. She said, Hey, I

17:58

didn't even exist. Well,

18:04

listen, I think we've got a lot of our listeners

18:06

who really just grew up probably

18:08

watching the WWF or WCW and

18:10

now of course, AEW, but

18:12

if they go back and they watch on the

18:14

network, they'll see that you're running around counting one,

18:17

two, three, a bunch, but you had a lot

18:19

of roles behind the scenes. Uh,

18:21

tell everybody what else you did for world-class

18:23

besides your referee from time to time. Well,

18:26

um, as

18:28

Tony said, when I came in, Gary Hart was the Booker

18:31

and I started in the late seventies and

18:34

learned a lot from Gary, phenomenal mind as

18:36

far as being a Booker. And,

18:39

uh, so when Gary was there,

18:41

um, you know, I

18:43

kind of always had an act for finishes and so I got,

18:46

I got plugged in real quick to the booking meetings.

18:49

And, um, and then,

18:51

uh, later on when, when Gary

18:53

left and Ken Mantel came in,

18:56

um, Ken and I were co-bookers.

18:59

And so, uh, but he, he kind of took

19:01

the reins as the, as the main Booker. And

19:04

truthfully, I just did all the finishes, you

19:06

know, Ken was good at hearing a finish

19:08

and then like add into it or, you

19:10

know, and so, but I was also, uh,

19:13

for the last, gosh, 12

19:16

years I was there. I was Fritz's right

19:18

hand guy. I got a call

19:20

back then you had a beeper and I

19:22

actually had a beeper and one person

19:24

had the number and

19:27

if it went off, I better make a phone

19:29

call. Yeah. Uh, because it was Fritz and he

19:32

would call me every Thursday. Sometimes it'd be Friday

19:34

morning. And he, if he didn't come

19:36

in that week to the

19:38

office, he'd want to know how everything went and

19:41

you know, what'd I think and stuff like that.

19:43

So, um, and then I

19:45

also promoted several towns. Matter of fact, David, before

19:47

David died, Fritz, let David and

19:49

I have Lawton, Oklahoma and Tyler, Texas. And

19:52

we were promoting those. And then, um, after

19:55

Dave's death, I continued that. And then I

19:57

picked up some others. I went and promoted

19:59

boss. You know, up in the, uh,

20:02

the backyard up there, actually we, we did a big

20:04

show in the, it was called Manning Bowl, believe it

20:06

or not. I

20:08

went up there and, um, yeah, we kind of got

20:11

blocked from being able to use the gardens. Yeah.

20:16

So, uh, but, but you know, things were

20:18

great. And, um, so I,

20:20

I just kind of had a jack of all

20:22

trades. Obviously I got all the television

20:25

exposure being a referee and

20:27

a lot of people thought that's all I was. And then from

20:30

all the podcasts and, you

20:32

know, the different things. And unfortunately

20:34

I was a pallbearer many times. Um,

20:37

so, but it, you

20:39

know, wrestling was good to me and, um, um,

20:43

I'm glad to see the one

20:45

good thing here is this ex this exposure

20:47

of the Von Erich movie is

20:50

really going to help Ross and Marshall. Yes. And

20:53

they're both great workers, as you know, Conrad. And

20:56

so I think that's going to open a lot of doors for them.

20:58

I told him, I said, you better be ready. If you

21:00

go sign a contract with, uh, you know,

21:03

New York or a W I said,

21:05

because things change, it's no longer

21:07

a once a month deal, right? You

21:10

know, you're, you're at their beck and call and they're,

21:12

believe me, they're going to use you. And

21:15

Tony, you've had an opportunity to meet those guys

21:17

a couple of times. They've done a few shots

21:20

for a W. What's your experience been like with

21:22

the next generation of the Von Erichs? They

21:24

are, they are great and respectful kids,

21:28

really, really well-mannered. And just,

21:30

uh, you know,

21:32

I met them briefly in a MLW

21:35

when they were there. That's right. And then of

21:37

course they came over to AEW recently and when

21:39

we were in Texas and we used them and

21:42

just, uh, as nice and polite

21:44

and respectful of the business as,

21:46

as anybody can be. And, uh,

21:49

I agree. I think they're talented

21:51

kids that, uh, have a great

21:54

heads on their shoulders. And I think we're going to be

21:56

seeing a lot of them. Great. I

21:58

do. You know, you got Marshall. I

22:01

think Marshall has a little bit of,

22:03

uh, Kev and Dave together, you

22:06

know, when you look at his agility and

22:08

stuff like that and his size, and then

22:10

Ross to me is just a smaller version

22:12

of Kerry. Right. Very

22:15

well said good kids. Uh, I hope, I hope

22:17

we see more of them. I really do. Well,

22:20

I'm excited to see more world-class championship wrestling.

22:22

And when we decided we were going to

22:24

cover a little old world class, I thought,

22:27

not only should we phone a friend, we should ask, what

22:30

do you want to watch? And so

22:32

I asked David off air, what's your

22:34

favorite memory, like your favorite moment? What

22:36

would you like to watch with

22:38

Tony and I and kind of relive? And

22:41

man, you didn't hesitate Dave. You had one lined up.

22:43

What are we watching and why are we watching it?

22:45

Why is this one of your favorite moments? You

22:48

know, there were, and there was a lot

22:50

of favorite moments. Uh, obviously when the

22:52

free birds turned heel, that was,

22:55

that was the biggest event that ever happened

22:57

in world-class set us on fire. And,

22:59

uh, but, uh, this particular match

23:02

that we're going to watch today, uh,

23:05

it's, it's Kevin and Kerry taking

23:07

on a gorgeous

23:10

Gino Hernandez and

23:12

a gentleman, Chris Adams, and

23:14

what's really unique about this match and

23:16

everyone that watched world-class, these are all

23:19

good looking guys, big head of

23:21

hair. And,

23:23

uh, it's a hair match. And

23:26

so the fans were, they

23:29

weren't sure who was going to win this match. And even

23:32

me, I would hear the talk, you know, behind the

23:35

scenes, there was like, there's no way they're going to

23:37

find a way out of this where none of

23:39

them have to cut their hair. And,

23:41

uh, as you'll see in the match, it

23:44

hair got cut. Now,

23:48

Dave, this was the second big, uh, cotton bowl

23:51

show, right? Second year of it. Yeah. Also the

23:53

big one we had over 30,000. We,

23:56

uh, this was our, this was our second

23:58

biggest event ever. With Texas stadium,

24:00

right? Uh, the David Von Erk Memorial, that

24:03

was the biggest with 42,000 people. This

24:05

one, you'll hear on the tape. They say it's about 39,000 people.

24:10

That's just tremendous. And I love when you said,

24:12

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26:11

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26:16

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26:18

when you do that, we want you to go to one hour, 12 minutes

26:21

and 51 seconds. That's one

26:23

hour, 12 minutes and 51

26:25

seconds of the link below. It's on

26:28

YouTube where you can watch this big

26:30

second Cotton Bowl attraction. It's

26:32

a hair versus hair match. Do you

26:34

want to sort of set the stage for who

26:37

all's in this match? And I mean,

26:40

obviously we get the enormity of

26:42

it's a stadium show and it's

26:44

the second follow-up Cotton Bowl event. And there's

26:46

nearly 40,000 people, but some of our listeners,

26:49

I mean, I think everybody by now is at least

26:51

familiar with the Von Erich legacy, but guys

26:53

like Chris Adams and guys like Gino Hernandez,

26:56

can you speak about their legacies a little

26:58

bit, David? Yeah, both

27:00

of them, phenomenal workers, young guys,

27:03

very athletic. And

27:05

they made the

27:08

perfect team. You know, when Chris Adams turned heel,

27:11

he immediately joined up with Gino.

27:14

And when they would come to the ring, they

27:16

would play bad to the bone. And so, they

27:21

were just flamboyant. I mean, they

27:23

had the charisma. And the

27:26

one year before when we did the Cotton

27:28

Bowl in that match, Kevin

27:32

fought Chris Adams. And that's the match where

27:34

Kevin left in an ambulance. Chris

27:37

hit him with a chair and I mean, hit him with

27:39

a chair. And, you know,

27:42

no Cape ave here. Kevin

27:45

had said, lay it in and he did. And there

27:48

was a bar on the chair that ran across it.

27:50

And it literally split the back of Kev's head. And

27:53

so, he ended up

27:55

going, he had a concussion. And boy,

27:59

set these guys on. fire. So as we come

28:01

back one year later, we got

28:04

everybody, the feud with

28:06

Kevin and Chris has continued. And now

28:08

you throw in Gino Hernandez, and

28:11

you also throw in, you know,

28:13

Kerry. And so great,

28:16

great match. I had refereeed the

28:19

same guys over in Fort Worth.

28:22

That's when I took the bump and got

28:24

my head twisted and caught in the ropes.

28:27

And while I was doing that, the Gino

28:29

and Chris had thrown powder in the

28:31

Bonner's face. And

28:34

so they got the win. And so

28:36

we were coming off of that into the stadium

28:38

and then the hair went up. They had been,

28:41

Gino and Chris had cut about, you're going to see

28:43

about five or six of the guys here leading

28:45

up to this match. So they had the heat. Also

28:48

in this match, we introduced

28:50

for the first time Lance Von Erich. Oh, wow.

28:53

And so you're going to see Lance at ringside. This

28:55

is the first time the fans got a chance to

28:57

really see Lance. And this

29:00

is where we actually involved him in the match. Well,

29:04

I'm excited. Tony, are you ready on your side? Do

29:06

you have a special countdown for us today? Yeah,

29:08

I got a special countdown. I think it's the

29:10

last countdown that we got from

29:14

DJ turn up. I'm not so sure. He'll let me

29:16

know. I'm sure. But I do have a countdown before

29:18

we go. I, I, I really smiled

29:20

with David said, he said, lay it in.

29:23

Yeah. Yeah. If

29:25

you tell one of the guys, lay it in, they're

29:28

going to lay it in. Well, especially Kevin, cause he ditched

29:30

a lot of it out. So the

29:33

chance to repay that, right? Yeah. He

29:36

laid it in. Right. Oh

29:39

yeah. I got a countdown. Well, let's do

29:41

it. So we're going to give us a countdown

29:43

and then we'll all press play together. Here we

29:45

go. Yeah.

30:00

a world-class

30:26

championship wrestling at the cotton ball on this

30:28

beautiful day and it's a beautiful day

30:30

because just a month ago the show man right here mike

30:32

binary was lying critically on the

30:34

hospital very are back it is certainly miraculous

30:36

and it's certainly great to have you with

30:38

us the ability to great to be back

30:40

with the all band and my family and

30:43

everybody out i'm not really grateful

30:45

to be here you know if you were

30:47

everybody present but i've been new conferences all

30:49

over that i've done a it is

30:51

great to be back in thank you for all the

30:53

prayer first but

30:55

eric uh... miracles can happen and uh...

30:58

good people come through very tough times

31:00

the largest one to do that they

31:02

like all my kids accident resurrected he's

31:05

back in given time he

31:07

surprised the doctors immensely already they thought he'd

31:09

be in the hospital for months right dr

31:11

such a result of the most of the

31:13

map but here is

31:16

a lesson will look very very small and

31:18

story he's back out the

31:20

shoulder that we have the surgery over rehabilitative

31:23

that right now you get like

31:25

a few months to be back just like he was

31:27

before we thank god we think all of you people

31:29

for your purchase like all mike said mike

31:32

would be with us today there's no question about that

31:34

in my mind anybody else it

31:36

is certainly a tremendous day and i think

31:38

it's a good chance here to and time

31:40

to uh... welcome in lance one eric wall

31:42

those son and uh... because the mike in

31:45

the little american great

31:47

you would it's great to be alone star

31:49

state i uh... gonna be here for today

31:51

and tomorrow nine i have some

31:53

wrestling i've got to take care of the europe and

31:55

i'll be back in the next few weeks to help

31:57

out family that's great love

31:59

it I just want to say one

32:01

thing when Lance and Waldo of course heard about Mike and

32:04

the rest of family were right here Lance right

32:06

then went to council every day up north You

32:08

know Lance had been around here working out with the boys in

32:10

and out for some time But the

32:12

Waldo especially in myself though Lance is ready to

32:14

assume the Von Erich name We

32:17

don't know what he was born. He's now

32:19

the new Northwest everywhere champion. He's

32:21

ready. What great timing He's coming

32:23

in just his own mics down. He'll

32:25

be here in just a very few weeks to help us out Great

32:27

and Mike will see you in action Very

32:29

soon as soon as possible Mike

32:32

Von Erich right back with us here a

32:34

world-class championship wrestling and we'll be right back

32:36

with more So David, let

32:39

me ask you about Lance because I've heard

32:41

before that maybe that didn't go

32:43

as well as planned Well, what can you tell

32:45

us about? Lance Von Erich and what

32:47

was supposed to be and what wasn't supposed to

32:49

be and all that jazz well, I

32:52

Could tell you here. Here's one thing. This is

32:55

the magazine. It's a big magazine here in Dallas.

32:57

Mm-hmm And if you

32:59

right up here, it says The

33:02

fake Von Erich. Oh Wow, and

33:04

in here there's about eight page story

33:06

about long and So

33:08

I'm the one that found Lance we we made

33:10

the decision In

33:13

a booking one of the booking meetings that

33:15

you know, we had Dave's death and we had just brought

33:17

the birds in and we

33:19

had the perfect scenario and And

33:22

Mike wasn't in a position to be able to

33:24

step up and so We

33:28

needed a Von Erich and Kevin

33:30

was dead set against it But

33:32

you know, I I

33:35

was for it Fritz was for it. We thought

33:37

it would work out I found the Lance on

33:39

a golf course I'm watching him play golf and

33:41

my god, he was built and had to look

33:44

and you know, he was a bodybuilder Yeah, it

33:46

had a lot of records. And

33:48

so I went up and he

33:50

probably wondered about me because I kept staring at him all

33:52

day But finally

33:54

I went up and told him who I was and I

33:57

said man I think I got a great opportunity for you and I

33:59

took him down and He bet Fritz and

34:02

then we, you know, uh, it was hard

34:04

because he was from, you know, Dallas area,

34:06

but we sent him up to Portland, uh,

34:09

with Don Owens and he worked up

34:11

there, uh, basically it was

34:13

a crash course because he stepped right into

34:15

the main event. I mean, when he came

34:18

back, he was literally. Uh,

34:20

and then when Carrie got hurt, I

34:22

got a lot of times him and Kevin

34:24

were doing two shows on Saturday night. We'd

34:26

do our spot shows. We'd send Kevin to

34:28

one Lance. The other, they both go on

34:30

first, then Chris cross to the, uh,

34:32

and then they would go on last at each show. What

34:37

a fascinating story. I don't, Tony, I don't remember

34:39

hearing another story like that before of we create

34:42

this guy, we throw him in the main events. I

34:44

mean, not, not to be funny, but it almost sounds

34:46

like Zeus, right? Like we found this

34:48

guy, we needed an opponent. We had an opponent.

34:51

We needed, I don't know. It's just wild. And by

34:53

the way, if you're watching along with us on the watch

34:55

along, man, well, what a crowd

34:57

you guys have here. What do you think the

34:59

attendance for this one was again, David? Uh,

35:02

they estimated 39,000. It's

35:05

at the cotton bowl. Um, you know, it was

35:07

during the state fair. Uh,

35:09

I mean, it was just perfect timing. And then, you know, we were, like I

35:11

say, we were on fire in 85, uh, uh, 83, 84

35:17

and 85 were just huge for us. It's

35:20

interesting too. And then Tony, when you take a look

35:22

at the guard rails, it's just, uh, it's a piece

35:24

of string. Yeah. It's a different

35:26

time. Oh, look at that handsome devil. That

35:29

referee right there. Mr. David. How about that?

35:32

Yeah. Whenever I talked to Bruce David,

35:34

he always just goes on and on

35:36

about Gina Hernandez, that Gina Hernandez could

35:39

have been, you know, and obviously we were proud

35:41

of what Ted DiBiase did, but he was like

35:44

the, for the, for the

35:46

Texas area, he was the OG million dollar man.

35:48

Would you agree with that? Yes.

35:50

Yeah. Yeah. And he, he, he could

35:52

come. He was great on the mic. Okay.

35:55

Uh, truthfully, um, you

35:59

know, there's no. better on the mic than, than,

36:01

than obviously Rick flair, but

36:03

Gino was right in there and he could come

36:05

up with stuff. I remember when we did that

36:07

show in Boston, when

36:10

he went out to do his interview, you know, he's talking

36:12

about how much money he had and all this. And he's,

36:14

I'll never forget. He said, uh, you

36:16

know, and one day maybe I'll

36:18

be rich. And if you want to

36:20

know the definition of rich, turn Larry bird's nose upside

36:22

down and fill it up with nickels. Oh

36:24

my God. What a great line. What

36:28

a great line. Yeah.

36:31

He got immediate heat. I'd

36:34

say you get over, dude. That's how you

36:36

do it. You come up with those memorable

36:38

lines and you know how to talk and that's, that

36:41

is absolutely how you do it. I, I was

36:43

interested, I, the cameramen were in the

36:45

ring and, and you know, today, David, if a

36:48

cameraman's in the ring, you're told, Oh,

36:50

don't shoot the cameramen, shoot around the cameramen,

36:52

but they were in the ring. They got some great shots. And

36:55

I know you work with Keith Mitchell a lot. Yep.

36:58

Uh, uh, Keith was really ahead of his time.

37:01

Yeah. Keith, Keith and, uh, actually

37:03

every, every, uh, Thursday I would

37:06

have lunch with Keith Mitchell and

37:08

Harrison Gillum. And,

37:10

uh, they were the ones really that

37:13

did the show. I mean, they put it, put

37:15

everything together and we would go over, you know,

37:17

we did our little vignettes where we would maybe

37:19

go see the wrestlers at a bar. We might

37:21

go see Jimmy Garvin and sunshine at a spa.

37:24

And, um, so, uh, they,

37:27

they, it's phenomenal. Matter of fact, I

37:29

think the best piece of work Keith Mitchell

37:31

ever did was when

37:34

Carrie and flair were getting ready to wrestle

37:36

date, he's the one that put that video

37:39

together of Carrie riding the horse and

37:42

working out and getting ready. Uh, and they

37:44

were playing, uh, one of the Rocky songs.

37:48

It was great. Yeah.

37:50

World-class was way ahead of the times with their

37:53

production, not just Keith Mitchell, but Dan buying them

37:55

the way they mic the ring, the way they

37:57

shot. I mean, dude, There's

38:00

so much innovation here. How

38:03

about Chris Adams? I

38:06

mean, you talk about a guy who has

38:08

influenced generations of wrestlers. As far as I

38:10

can recall, Mr. Manning, he's the

38:12

innovator of the super kick. Is that the way you

38:14

remember it? Yes. Yeah.

38:16

And I remember the person I, uh, we, we

38:19

had a little monitor in the, in, in, in

38:21

the office, you know, where we could see the

38:23

matches going on. And, uh, so

38:25

when Chris came in, you know, uh, he. Sharp

38:28

dress man. I, that's what I would call him.

38:30

And when he went to the ring, um, and

38:32

he had the match, I remember everybody in that

38:34

dressing room, when he did the super kick for

38:36

the first time, it

38:39

was just like, everybody was like, wow. Um,

38:42

he had a way to hit his leg as he did it.

38:44

And it looked like he tore the guy's head off. And,

38:46

um, and like I

38:48

say, he could talk. And

38:51

so, uh, we, we had a great run with Chris, both

38:53

as a baby face and as a hill. Chris's

38:55

problem was, uh, many people

38:58

know that kept up with world class. Uh,

39:01

when he got with alcohol, he, you

39:04

know, it would control him. He didn't control it became

39:07

really bad. He, he actually did a little

39:09

bit of time because he had butted a

39:11

pilot on a plane coming back in Puerto

39:13

Rico. Oh, wow. And

39:16

so, uh, they were waiting for him when he

39:18

landed in Dallas. Um, and,

39:21

uh, he ended up getting, I

39:23

think about six months. Tony, you ever

39:25

headbutt a pilot? No, no,

39:28

uh, I never had butted a pilot,

39:30

uh, pilots never headbutted me. Uh,

39:33

but, uh, I know a lot of

39:35

passengers that pilots should headbutt. Yeah.

39:38

I'd a lot better. Okay. I'm

39:40

all for that. Yes. My

39:45

goodness. Well, we're watching a, hopefully you're watching along

39:47

with us and man, what have, uh, what

39:50

a crowd this is. And one

39:52

of the things I've always wondered whenever you have

39:54

a show like this, David is what is the,

39:57

what's the backup plan if this thing does.

40:00

and cooperate weather wise, like, you

40:02

know, if it just starts pouring rain, as I mean, it

40:05

just business as usual. It's a football game. We're going to

40:07

do it anyway. I think we would

40:09

have, we would have had to do it. I mean, you

40:11

know, you got 39,000 people there and,

40:13

uh, and the cotton

40:15

bowl, as you hit it right on the head, it's not

40:18

covered, you know, it's an open

40:20

stadium and we got really, really lucky. Now

40:22

it was in, it was in, uh, uh,

40:24

you know, it was a time of year where we, it's

40:27

like drought here. And so

40:29

we were pretty confident of how it was going to

40:31

be, but you know, you never know

40:34

it, Texas, it could snow today and be 120

40:36

tomorrow. October

40:39

6th, 1985 is when this one went

40:41

down and you know, it's

40:43

funny that I didn't even really think about it

40:45

until just now, but of everybody involved in this

40:47

match, it's just you and Kevin. That's still with

40:49

us, right? Yep. Wow. Yeah.

40:54

I thought, uh, I was, I was coming

40:56

home, uh, back from Japan one time and ESPN had

40:59

a tape on and I was watching

41:01

the tape and there was, uh, uh, three

41:04

matches, um, two

41:07

single matches. There was

41:09

a tag team main event, uh,

41:12

counting the announcer and

41:14

counting, um, uh,

41:16

the other referee. I was the only one alive

41:19

on the tape. Wow. Yeah.

41:23

You know, if there was any, any curse, that was

41:25

the other thing, you know, Kevin, Kevin will say

41:27

right now, we, there was never a thing about

41:29

the vulnerable curse, uh, that's Hollywood.

41:32

Right. Right. And so, um,

41:36

yeah, I was telling Kevin the other day, if there

41:38

was a curse here, maybe it's when Fritz bought, uh,

41:41

the land out and eat them, you know, it

41:43

had the arrowheads all over and stuff like that.

41:45

I told someone that I said, maybe that's where

41:47

the curse came in because when he bought it

41:49

less than a month later, when he's building the

41:51

home down there, he's in his motor home. That's

41:53

when Dave died and every day has took place

41:56

while he was in eat them. Do

42:00

you think this is some sort of Indian burial ground? I

42:03

know it is because Chris would go out and

42:05

search and find all the little arrowheads, you know, they

42:07

had a heck of a collection for him. And

42:10

so I, I said, if there was a curse, it

42:12

had to come from there. Of

42:15

course, we're watching a Kevin wrestle barefoot

42:17

here. Um, I

42:19

don't know, man, Tony, can you imagine? I

42:22

mean, I know we've seen other wrestlers like

42:24

super Fosnica and Yoko Zuna and a few

42:26

others wrestle barefoot before, but can

42:28

you imagine that? Tony, like in the gym,

42:31

Crockett promotion days, a guy making towns and

42:33

all these different buildings and wrestling

42:35

barefoot, that's just hard for me to wrap my hand

42:37

around. Yeah, me too. And

42:40

of course, Marshall does today. That's right. Yeah.

42:42

Yeah. So I, that's a, that always

42:45

has. How

42:48

I've always wondered about that, but, uh, I

42:51

mean, that's, that was his trademark. It was.

42:54

And you know, for people watching this, just to

42:56

set the stage a little bit more, you'll notice

42:58

all the wrestlers around the ring. We had lumberjacks

43:00

around the ring. So we had brought just about

43:02

all the guys that had worked, including Lance, even

43:04

Chris Von Er was outside at that time. Gosh,

43:07

he couldn't have been probably 12, 13,

43:09

but, um, we had them on the outside

43:11

and, and in this match, there

43:14

was really, um, I mean, obviously

43:16

there was rules, no gouging and that kind of stuff,

43:18

but pretty much everything else. We were just letting go.

43:20

There had to be a winner. Wow.

43:25

Uh, let's see, let's see if

43:27

we could track a little bit of this and listen

43:29

to, uh, to Bill Mercer. Yeah. Absolutely. He's on the

43:31

commentary. You know, he is. Here we

43:33

go. Yep. Well,

43:54

that's not any real proof. Roll

44:00

again. I was carried by the earth, got it wrapped up.

44:03

Are you still in any communication with Bill Mercer? You

44:06

know, I saw him at the premier, uh, I

44:09

was in a wheelchair. He's in his nineties

44:11

now. Yeah. And, uh, boy,

44:13

they didn't even come close, uh,

44:17

of the guy on screen and right Mercer, uh,

44:20

in the movie, but what a phenomenal guy.

44:23

I mean, he's a legend up at the university of North

44:25

Texas. Uh, pretty much just

44:27

ran the whole, uh, film department. And,

44:30

um, uh, you know, and

44:32

he, and obviously at one time he

44:34

was also the boys of the Cowboys, so, uh,

44:36

you know, before we brought him in for the

44:38

wrestling. Right. Wow. He did, he did the Cowboys

44:41

before they were the Cowboys, right? Exactly. When they

44:43

were named the Cowboys. Wow. I

44:45

didn't know that. Yeah. I think

44:47

there were the Texans or something like that. Uh,

44:50

yeah. Great guy too. And I, and you

44:52

know what? His memory is still sharp as heck. I got

44:54

a chance to talk to him at the premier and,

44:57

um, in the nineties, one of the

44:59

good guys. Yeah. Well, God blessing.

45:01

Cause I'm in my sixties and I can't

45:03

remember shit. I

45:08

noticed and we were tracking the, the, uh,

45:10

the, uh, the play by

45:12

play there. I haven't thrown

45:14

that chair on him with the legs. It's

45:18

not, it's not the chair you're used to in

45:20

wrestling. It's not a fold up chair. No,

45:23

it is not. Just the

45:25

fan response. Unbelievable. It's

45:28

on it's incredible. The

45:30

absolute fan response is. Some

45:34

blab. He's wielding that

45:36

chair man. Those four legs. Oh

45:38

yeah. Yeah. Stuck him in the back with

45:40

it. Yeah. David,

45:42

obviously a big part of the Von Eric

45:45

story, especially Kerry story is the accident and

45:47

he loses the foot. And of course I

45:49

know timeline wise that wasn't accurate, but the

45:52

big reveal in the movie that Kerry has

45:54

lost his foot at this point, is

45:56

he working with both of his feet or has he lost

45:58

the foot by this point? Uh,

46:03

this was 85. No,

46:06

uh, no, I don't think

46:09

he's lost it yet. I don't think so either because it felt

46:11

like there was always a sleeve on that one side. Yeah.

46:14

Um, yeah, I don't think he's lost it yet.

46:17

Um, of course, these days it's impossible to keep

46:19

secret in wrestling. You know, it's very rare when

46:21

there's a real surprise in wrestling, like it feels

46:24

like everything comes out, but that was

46:26

one of those where it was

46:28

largely a secret in the wrestling industry

46:30

is, but I assume that the most

46:32

of the performers had to know, right?

46:35

No. Wow. They,

46:38

they, this is crazy. The,

46:40

the, see what a lot of

46:42

people don't know is when, when Carrie, um,

46:45

and this is when I'm booking, how,

46:47

how fair is this? I become the Booker.

46:51

Um, and, uh, Ken and Ken

46:53

lab went up to work for Bill Watts.

46:56

And so literally I'm

46:58

the Booker for like two weeks and I get the

47:00

phone call. Fritz calls and says, you got

47:02

to do something. Carrie won't be there tonight. He was just

47:04

in a motorcycle wreck. I don't know

47:07

the details, but I'll let you know. I

47:09

said, okay. So I'm having to shift everything.

47:11

And then I got ahold of Rick hazard

47:13

and Rick had been to the hospital and

47:15

he said, Dave, you're not going to believe it. He said,

47:17

man, it looks like an alligator chewed on his leg for

47:19

about an hour. And so

47:22

they came in and

47:24

obviously they didn't want to take the leg. Um,

47:27

so they, they did surgery for about, gosh,

47:29

I want to say 10 hours. And

47:32

he came out of the hospital with

47:34

his leg and they

47:37

were saying the leg was not getting blood

47:39

circulation like it should. And

47:41

they didn't know if it was going to, you know, be

47:45

sturdy enough. But anyway, he came out and,

47:48

um, at the sport,

47:50

uh, sportatorium, you had to go up these stairs

47:52

and go up top. And that's where we would

47:54

watch the matches in this cage. And

47:56

Carrie was up there and it was time for his match and

47:58

he come running down the stairs. They got

48:00

about halfway down and hit and that leg snapped. And

48:03

so we had to take him back to the

48:05

hospital. They took him back to the hospital. And

48:08

at that time, I didn't even know they had taken the

48:10

leg until

48:14

Fritz confided in me and he said, they made

48:16

all of the doctors sign a form and

48:19

anyone that was in that operating room that

48:21

basically they'd get sued if they told anyone

48:23

he lost the leg. And

48:25

so, um, and you know,

48:27

I have to say, I was

48:30

against that. I was for telling people he lost

48:32

the leg because I saw, man, it would be

48:34

for people out there, you

48:36

know, that need a prosthesis, whatever, I thought

48:38

it would be a great story and how

48:40

much heat you're going to get now when

48:42

someone starts banging on the leg. You know,

48:44

so I thought I, that's one

48:46

of the decisions that I was, I think we

48:48

should have told it. Yeah. Man,

48:52

speaking of telling, they're telling the story here.

48:55

All the fans are on their feet. My

48:57

God. Um, let's try just a minute. How

49:21

about that?

49:47

All the lumberjacks Lance fine, Eric,

49:50

making sure he's got a hold of the GNO. You're

49:52

not going anywhere. You're getting a haircut. And how about

49:54

multiple calls for the media? Come on down to ringside.

49:56

I love it. Yeah. We

49:58

got a one of the top ready. stations was there

50:00

for this event. And we were getting a lot

50:03

of free publicity from them. So we allowed them

50:05

to actually be at the ring when the hair,

50:07

the hair took place. There

50:09

was one kid that pushed Gino and security.

50:12

Did you see that? Yeah. Put a

50:14

headlock on him. Yeah. And

50:17

you know, what happens here is, uh,

50:19

also you'll see, um, who

50:21

was it jumped out of the ring and, um,

50:24

Chris Von Erich tackled him. Oh, so

50:28

everybody, everybody kind of got in on that. Yeah.

50:32

It was super fun to see as they were

50:34

teasing the match and set up next the main

50:36

event, M A N E and

50:39

then, uh, they positioned it for a commercial and

50:41

said, when we come back with a hair cutting,

50:44

it's super silly, super fun, but

50:47

man, you guys were doing unbelievable ratings. What

50:49

kind of ratings do you remember world-class getting

50:51

at its height, David? Uh,

50:54

we were pulling a anywhere from 15 to 17. My

50:57

gosh. Yeah. Holy smokes. We

50:59

were pulling, um, three points higher

51:02

than Vince was in New York. It's

51:05

unbelievable to think about, you know,

51:07

what was happening here. And, uh,

51:10

you know, this was just one of the many

51:12

territories. This is really without, uh,

51:15

full blown national television. I know ESPN

51:17

became a thing for you guys, but

51:20

at this point, this is still all just

51:22

syndicated. Right. Uh, am I right? Yeah.

51:24

We would send out a 40, 40, either

51:26

45 or 46 tapes every Tuesday morning. Let's

51:33

track a little bit here. Angel's

51:42

still going just bananas here. And

51:46

now the electric server. I'm going

51:48

to sit back. Carry on. And

51:51

there goes, I have some long

51:53

man from England. Hey, Chris

51:56

Adam, one ball right here on

51:59

the wall. on the floor of the cotton ball. So

52:02

who all is in the ring right now that

52:05

we can see David that you recognize. We got

52:07

a referee. We got ice and King Parsons. Right.

52:09

Uh, that's Bronco Lubrich to the right. Um,

52:13

I know Scott Casey was in the ring. Uh,

52:16

and they had ice, man, they all, uh, the

52:18

people got to see, they all got to get up and

52:20

take scissors and take a piece of hair because all of

52:23

them at some point over the

52:25

last two or three months, uh,

52:27

either Geno or Chris had taken some of their hair

52:29

and you see that's Rick hazard in the middle there.

52:31

And you hear Chris Adams telling each and every, uh,

52:34

each one of us, he's going to kill us. So,

52:38

but Chris learned the hard way. Be

52:41

still because those clippers, you know,

52:43

when you don't have any kind of protection

52:45

on them, it's just the, it can cut

52:47

you and it hurts. Right. And he

52:49

was, he, I mean, he

52:51

fought it and fought it and fought it. And

52:54

it was crazy. What you'll see, do you know, when he gets

52:56

in, uh, he saw what was going

52:58

on and I whispered to him when he got in,

53:00

I said, I, I'd find you out. Be still. Your

53:02

head's going to get cut. So he, even though he

53:04

screamed and yelled, he hit, he kept his head perfectly

53:06

still. I noticed I

53:08

saw Brian Adidas in there as well. Yep. Brian.

53:10

Adia. Cause he was, Adias was, uh,

53:13

with us, us as Jim Crockett for

53:15

a little bit. That's

53:17

one of the other guys that lived it. Cause he,

53:19

he and Carrie, you know, grew up together. Uh-huh. Oh

53:21

wow. First grade, they were,

53:23

um, best, best friends. Yeah. We

53:26

know, of course, the carry got his shot to

53:28

be the NWA world champion, David. But of the

53:31

other Von Eric boys, did you think there was

53:33

another that was probably a shoe in to be

53:35

on a short list for that? Oh, there you

53:37

see Chris Von Eric getting in on the

53:39

action, tackling Gino on the escape that's super

53:41

fun. That was good. Yeah.

53:45

We, um, you

53:47

know, originally they were going to put the

53:49

belt on Dave and,

53:51

um, they

53:54

hesitated, uh, putting

53:57

the belt on Carrie and,

53:59

um, You

54:01

know, Fritz just put his foot down

54:03

because with everything we had going on, we needed

54:05

one of the boys to win. And

54:09

Kerry was over the biggest at that point. I

54:12

think Dave would have had a longer run with the

54:14

belt because Dave could work

54:16

heel really good. Okay.

54:19

And when he was up in Florida, you know, he

54:21

worked heel up there. If you go back and look

54:23

at some of his interviews, he was great. So

54:26

he was up there. And

54:28

I think, as you know, it's hard

54:31

to draw with a baby face. You

54:34

don't draw near as good and there's not near as

54:36

much excitement in the local towns if

54:39

the world champion has a baby face. Yes. And

54:42

because, you know, you want to pull them for their hero.

54:46

And so... Look at that visual.

54:48

My God. When they really pan out

54:50

and you can see, you got 40,000 people

54:53

standing on their tiptoes to watch a guy get a

54:55

haircut. Yep. Yeah.

54:58

And you know what? Like you said earlier, when

55:00

the match was over, the people, I guarantee you

55:02

that they were still like something's

55:05

going to stop it. Yes. I

55:07

mean, because look at these guys, you know, when you look at

55:10

this match, I mean, beautiful heads of hair. Yes.

55:14

And, you know, I, real quick, I had a

55:16

hair match against killer Tim Brooks and

55:19

I had a nice big head of hair back

55:21

then. And everybody was like, you know,

55:23

you're not going to lose your hair. You know, you're not going to

55:25

lose your hair. And Brooks, his

55:27

hair was real thin and Brooks

55:30

was going to do the job. It was a, it

55:32

was a gimmick match. And so it was funny because

55:35

the night of the match, I

55:38

called Fred and I said, I'm changing the finish. I'm

55:40

going to do the job.

55:42

And he said, why? And I said, just

55:45

because everybody thinks there's no way I'm going to

55:47

lose. Right. And

55:49

so I did the job and man, I remember

55:51

Bronco saying, you got to, you got to sit down and let

55:53

them cut your hair. Cause they did a screw job. And he

55:55

was like, you got to let them cut your hair. They're going

55:57

to riot here tonight. So Um,

56:01

but yeah, and we

56:04

got big dollars out of this, uh, match

56:06

obviously, you know, with the, uh, both of

56:08

the, both of the guys got hats and,

56:10

uh, it was good.

56:13

It was good stuff. Yeah. This is, and

56:16

Gino's doing such a great job here selling

56:18

this to you. His facials are phenomenal. They,

56:20

they really are. Just

56:23

seems like, and

56:26

he's, you know, and he's lunging towards some people,

56:28

which, you know, which

56:30

means he could get a lot of nicks and that blade.

56:34

Wow. Yeah. It's like the Kevin

56:36

hold holding it. That would scare me a little bit. Wow.

56:42

This is good stuff. Old school,

56:44

man. David,

56:46

I want to ask you, and I know

56:49

this is, this is something that completely different,

56:51

but obviously, uh, Christmas night when the, when

56:53

the free birds turned, uh,

56:55

and they, they slammed the door and

56:58

the, and the head of, uh, one of

57:00

the Von Eric's carry carry, uh,

57:04

that had to be pretty crazy that night because

57:06

I've, I've been told that almost had a riot

57:08

at reunion arena that night, is that correct? Yeah.

57:11

Michael Hayes was special referee with me.

57:13

Right. Um, and then, uh, he kind

57:15

of turned on flair at the end. Right.

57:18

Michael is a big baby face here.

57:20

And, um, and, and,

57:23

and the way we did the finish, it was

57:25

actually very, very dangerous because, you know, it's a

57:27

still, it's a still cage door. Right. And we

57:29

had to make sure, you know, it had a

57:31

thing that come down around the post. It looked

57:33

like a U. And so. I

57:37

don't know how many times we told

57:39

Terry Gordy, you got to make sure

57:41

that's down. So when you slam the

57:43

door, that'll catch first. Right. Otherwise you're

57:45

going to kill Kerry. Sure. And, um,

57:49

I thought, and Kerry still took a lot

57:51

of the blunt because what happened to Terry

57:54

slammed it so hard that thing, you

57:56

know, it's just on there were screws. It turned.

57:59

And so Terry. So, uh, Carrie still got

58:01

pretty good blunt, but, uh, man, some

58:05

people may hear flare at the roast, Conrad.

58:07

You remember, um, that

58:09

we talked about that match and someone said, you know, were

58:11

you scared going to the back? And he said, no, I

58:14

just got behind Manning. Yeah.

58:18

That was pretty crazy. Yeah.

58:21

Yeah. It was close. We did a

58:24

lot of reunion. You know, we sold it out probably

58:26

more than anybody. I mean, it was crazy. Everything given

58:28

in every Christmas. Right. Our

58:31

show's there for about three and a half,

58:33

four years. We're selling out period. Right. When

58:35

you think of a high

58:37

watermarks for world-class, obviously

58:40

this, this hair match is on the list because

58:42

you've got so many folks that are there. The

58:44

first cotton ball show, the night

58:47

with a flare and the cage with Carrie.

58:50

Are those, are those the big three, or are

58:52

there some others worth mentioning? If somebody is just

58:54

now getting down the world-class rabbit hole? Um,

58:58

well, you know, Fritz still made appearances every now

59:01

and then. And he was obviously a legend.

59:03

Right. And, uh, when,

59:06

when, when Fritz fought Kabuki, that was a big one. Um,

59:10

you know, Gary Hart brought Kabuki in and, uh, it was crazy.

59:13

Here's, here's, this guy shows up. That's like five, seven. And

59:16

we were all like, we built him up to be this, you know, and we

59:18

were all scared to death, but what

59:20

a worker. Oh my God. And

59:23

so, um, we

59:25

would do that with, when we had the right hair, like

59:28

Brody, uh, when Brody

59:30

was a Hill, obviously the final matches, it's going to be

59:32

him and Fritz. And so, um, that was big. Uh,

59:36

I would

59:39

say the other real big one was, um, we did, uh,

59:41

for the first time

59:43

ever in reunion, we did a two man, a

59:46

two ring battle Royal, which had never been done.

59:48

So it sounded great when we put it together, but once we

59:51

got those two rings together, I

59:53

felt, we felt sorry for the people that bought a

59:55

ringside ring. I'd see on this end and the match.

1:00:00

was in a ring totally on the other side of them.

1:00:02

And if you're right up front, as you know, you can't see over

1:00:04

the ring. Right. And so

1:00:07

that mistake and the other big

1:00:09

mistake we made that we got

1:00:11

a lot of heat for every union

1:00:14

arena on Christmas night. We

1:00:16

had Santa Claus come out with all the kids and this

1:00:19

and that. Well, it was Michael Hayes in the Santa Claus

1:00:21

outfit. And when he got the carry, all sudden he started

1:00:23

beating the hell out of him. And

1:00:26

oh my god, we got so many letter. We didn't

1:00:28

think about it. Here's all the kids and they're like,

1:00:30

Oh my god. Oh

1:00:38

yeah. I'm a steak. As

1:00:41

it was happening, we were all like, Oh,

1:00:43

this wasn't a good idea. That's great. I

1:00:45

love that. It was freaking Michael Hayes too.

1:00:50

I, uh, I love hearing about

1:00:52

the good old days and stories like that. I

1:00:55

wanted to ask your opinion. It feels like the

1:00:57

biggest controversy. If there is such

1:00:59

a thing out of the iron claw movie,

1:01:02

I mean, it was trending there for a few days. People

1:01:04

were pretty upset about the portrayal

1:01:07

of Ric flair. You had

1:01:09

a chance to see the movie, your friends with the

1:01:11

nature boy. What'd you think of the Hollywood

1:01:14

interpretation of Ric

1:01:16

flair? I thought it was horrible. Um,

1:01:20

I don't even, you know, you

1:01:24

would think, you would think of all people matter of

1:01:26

fact, I would love to be behind that movie being

1:01:28

made the Ric flair story. Oh my

1:01:31

god. But yeah, that was

1:01:33

not, that was not, that was not good.

1:01:35

And the guy that played Carrie,

1:01:37

I think I'd have got someone a little

1:01:39

bigger. Um, you know, in real life, Mike was

1:01:41

not even close to the size of Carrie and Kev.

1:01:45

Um, but, um, yeah, that

1:01:47

was, I remember seeing it in the

1:01:49

dressing room and, uh, when, when the

1:01:51

flare guy walked in, I was like, Oh, uh, yeah,

1:01:54

they, they missed the boat there. Hey,

1:01:57

if you ever, uh, get an

1:01:59

ink. that there's gonna be a movie

1:02:01

made about Ric Flair. Would

1:02:04

you alert me so I can just buy a

1:02:06

condo in Grand Cayman and live the rest of

1:02:08

my life away from all this? Yeah

1:02:12

you know I can't

1:02:15

read as you know I

1:02:17

don't know that you could tell all the Ric

1:02:19

Flair story. No you can't. I mean I've been in

1:02:21

a lot of bars

1:02:25

with him and holy smoly the stories you

1:02:27

hear are true. And

1:02:29

so but man what

1:02:32

a story he would be you know because I

1:02:34

was telling someone the other day I had a guy

1:02:36

call me wanting me to be he

1:02:38

was like I'll give you any title you

1:02:41

want producer director and he wanted to do

1:02:43

a movie on Gino Hernandez and he already

1:02:45

had a guy that's in gosh

1:02:47

what's the name of that show on TV the

1:02:50

bikers I can't think of the name of

1:02:52

it. Yeah they already had a

1:02:54

guy from that that was gonna play Gino and

1:02:56

they still say they're gonna do it. I called

1:02:59

Gino's daughter and I'm trying to have lunch with

1:03:01

her and put it together

1:03:03

but yeah they were off that one they did

1:03:05

want me to consult and they said we'll give

1:03:07

you any kind of title you want I was

1:03:09

like yeah yeah

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thank you. I could hear less about titles what's this pay

1:03:15

and so but but see here's the

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kind of surprising with the Von Erich's

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know managed to keep everybody

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we weren't big there and

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the thing with Gino you're gonna draw

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so actually I'm going to build a home there and

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my wife and I are probably going to move down

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there. That's awesome, man. Well, listen,

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I know that not too long ago, you hooked

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up with Kevin and y'all did a theater show.

1:06:15

I think there's one of those happening in the

1:06:18

not too distant future. Do you have any details

1:06:20

about that? Yeah. Del Hanson

1:06:22

is the host and we

1:06:24

did, um, the majestic theater

1:06:26

in Dallas, uh, over

1:06:28

2000 people came. I thought

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it was crazy. And, uh, the

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average ticket was $60. I

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said, who, who would have thought people

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30 to a hundred dollars to come here,

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me and Kevin BS and,

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uh, but they did. And,

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um, so we're following it up and that's

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where Kevin and I will truly give our

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opinion on the, on the,

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uh, iron cloth, and

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it's going to be March 29th and we're doing

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it at the will Rogers auditorium for

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anybody. It's a world-class fan. Every Monday

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night we wrestled in the real will

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Rogers Coliseum. So, uh, it'll

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be good. Um, it'll

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be good. We did San Antonio San Antonio also

1:07:10

drew about 1800 there. And,

1:07:13

uh, it's crazy. Del Hanson does a

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I never know what to expect when we, uh, we

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watched some old school wrestling, but I learned

1:08:16

a lot today. I had no idea some of the

1:08:18

backstory with Lance and how all that came together. This

1:08:21

was, uh, this was fun going down memory

1:08:23

lane, talking about world-class today, Tony. Uh,

1:08:25

call me stupid, but I didn't even know that Lance was

1:08:28

not a Vauderic. Really? I

1:08:31

didn't. I really backfired at the end. You

1:08:33

know, the, I think they made a mistake. I was already,

1:08:35

I didn't already left the business, you know, um, uh,

1:08:40

Lance kind of went in and demanded more pay. So

1:08:43

he got crosswaves with Fritz and, uh,

1:08:46

they didn't want him working anywhere. He went over to

1:08:48

Israel and as you know, wrestling with huge in Israel.

1:08:50

So, um, Fritz literally

1:08:52

decided that they went to the

1:08:54

ring and they took

1:08:56

the microphone and they said they screwed up and

1:08:58

they apologized to the fans, but they've been lying

1:09:00

to him and there was no, Lance

1:09:03

was not a role-runner. Wow. Wow.

1:09:05

But that, yeah, I

1:09:07

think I would have just let him go wrestle. It wasn't worth it. Yeah.

1:09:10

He buried him on TV too. I mean, I

1:09:12

think I remember seeing somebody write in or have

1:09:15

a question or whatever. But there was, I remember

1:09:17

seeing video somewhere where he was

1:09:19

seated. He being Chris just telling the whole

1:09:21

story before we let you go, David, you

1:09:23

know, lots of people are going to watch this movie and,

1:09:26

and certainly there's been documentaries made and there's

1:09:28

books out there and all that you lived

1:09:30

it. Though when you see sort

1:09:32

of the retelling of these stories that you

1:09:34

live, whether it's in a book or it's

1:09:36

in a documentary or it's in this Hollywood

1:09:38

dramatization, what do you think the biggest

1:09:41

misconception about world classes and what

1:09:43

do you think the biggest misconception about

1:09:45

the Von Eric family is? Uh,

1:09:48

I think the biggest, um, I

1:09:55

obviously, you know, in the movie, the biggest

1:09:57

misconception is Fritz. Um, And,

1:10:01

you know, he came across as

1:10:03

an abusive father and he just wasn't that. But,

1:10:11

you know, it's just hard to say with world-class, if

1:10:15

I could go, would we change anything?

1:10:17

If we could go back and do an over-died say no.

1:10:20

Wow. If, I

1:10:23

wish Fritz would have listened to us. Kevin and

1:10:25

I tried to get him to pay for view,

1:10:27

Texas Stadium, the David Von Erich

1:10:29

Memorial. Yes. And

1:10:31

because we had people all over the world

1:10:34

wanting to come. Right. And, uh, if

1:10:36

we would have done it, you know,

1:10:38

now the fact we

1:10:40

got three more dead Von Erichs and,

1:10:43

and, you know, Kevin and I talked, uh, he's

1:10:46

honest about it. Uh, the

1:10:48

wrong Von Erich died in Japan. If

1:10:50

Dave would have lived, Dave was

1:10:52

the business person in the family other

1:10:55

than Fritz. And

1:10:57

so who knows if they would have lived

1:10:59

and was able to step in,

1:11:02

uh, you know, and take

1:11:04

over basically as the head of

1:11:07

world-class. We'll

1:11:09

go out of your way to watch that special. Um,

1:11:12

I guess it was called the first

1:11:14

Von Erich Memorial parade of champions, May

1:11:16

6th, 1984. Uh,

1:11:19

that's the match that David suggested maybe should have

1:11:21

been on paper. You would have been

1:11:23

just, he, it was funny to think about time,

1:11:25

Tony. Because, you know,

1:11:27

November Thanksgiving night, 1983, that's,

1:11:30

that's the first Starrcade, right?

1:11:32

May of 84. That's the

1:11:34

first big parade of champions, the Texas

1:11:37

stadium show for world-class March

1:11:39

of 85. That's when

1:11:41

Vince runs WrestleMania. It's interesting

1:11:43

to think, you know, because when people talk about the

1:11:45

super show and the big show and all that sort

1:11:47

of thing, it feels like a lot

1:11:49

of people just think it all really got kicked off

1:11:52

with WrestleMania, but in reality, Starrcade

1:11:54

and the parade of champions,

1:11:56

they predated WrestleMania. Right. Absolutely.

1:11:58

Yeah. Well, you didn't. So we didn't pay-per-view

1:12:01

it. Right. And, um, but you know, 42,000

1:12:03

people, that was the biggest, uh,

1:12:05

attendance ever for a wrestling, uh,

1:12:07

a wrestling event at that time. And,

1:12:10

um, so, um, you

1:12:12

know, and then Vince obviously broke the record up in,

1:12:15

uh, Canada with

1:12:17

WrestleMania and pay-per-viewed it. So,

1:12:22

you know, if we

1:12:24

didn't have the tragedies, it'd be interesting. Right.

1:12:28

I agree. It would be interesting to see what,

1:12:31

what could have been, do you think, you know,

1:12:33

in an alternate universe, have Kerry

1:12:36

didn't have the leg issue. His

1:12:39

WWE run would have been different. I mean,

1:12:41

I didn't grow up with a

1:12:43

lot of Kerry, but Eric, the first time I really remember

1:12:45

seeing him as a fan was as the Texas tornado in

1:12:47

the WWF. And I was a fan

1:12:49

of that, but I've heard from people who lived

1:12:51

it, who said he was just not

1:12:53

the same performer by that point, if

1:12:56

he really had a full go. What do

1:12:58

you think, uh, his ceiling could have been for Vince?

1:13:01

Um, if, if Kerry didn't get the injury,

1:13:03

I don't know

1:13:05

that we couldn't have, um, you

1:13:08

know, um, I'm not going to go

1:13:10

into why or any of that, but you know, I left world

1:13:12

class and I was

1:13:14

literally, gosh, probably doing 80% of

1:13:16

everything. And so, um,

1:13:20

there was a lot, a lot of stuff happened

1:13:22

then. And, uh, I

1:13:24

just wonder, you know, if

1:13:27

we could have kept it together and a

1:13:30

healthy carry, I think it's

1:13:32

a different story here with world class. And

1:13:34

then obviously up in, um, New

1:13:36

York, you got to remember when the

1:13:38

Vonnegut boys went outside of this territory to

1:13:40

work, there was

1:13:42

a lot of animosity with a lot of wrestlers about,

1:13:45

they felt like, you know, these guys didn't earn it,

1:13:48

that it was handed to them. And then there was a

1:13:50

lot of times you could talk about they

1:13:52

were stiff, but sometimes they had to be stiff. Yeah.

1:13:55

Um, and so, um, I

1:13:57

think they, they really didn't you talk about.

1:14:00

about misconception, I don't think they really got

1:14:02

the respect from a lot of the boys

1:14:04

that didn't work here, uh, about,

1:14:07

you know, did they really earn it? Wow.

1:14:12

How about that? Paranoia and jealousy. Who

1:14:15

knew that exists? And it transcended the

1:14:17

years in wrestling. Well,

1:14:21

Mr. Manning, thank you for all the time. I

1:14:23

hope everyone enjoyed this trip down memory lane, talking

1:14:25

about world-class. Be sure to check out extremetravel.com. If

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1:14:39

man. I appreciate any time we get to a hookup.

1:14:42

This was a blast and can't thank you enough for

1:14:44

the time. Well, I enjoyed the

1:14:46

heck out of it. Conrad send me an address. I've

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1:14:53

that. Thank you very much. And thanks for taking the

1:14:55

time and Tony Schiavone. I hope

1:14:57

you have a great time and some safe

1:14:59

travels. Of course, tonight at AWW is live.

1:15:02

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1:15:04

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1:15:06

another collision coming your way this weekend, man. We're

1:15:09

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1:15:11

a big way. Are we not Tony? Yeah.

1:15:13

We're in Jacksonville tonight. Don't ask me where we

1:15:15

are on Saturday because I, I don't know.

1:15:20

But I do. I just, I look at the

1:15:22

calendar like on Wednesday and go, Oh

1:15:25

yeah, we're going to. Oh yeah, we're going to

1:15:27

Norfolk Saturday. That's it. What the hell? How

1:15:30

about this man? You're, you're knee deep in,

1:15:33

uh, in Ric Flair, uh, old school, Jim

1:15:35

Crockett promotions territory. You know, you just had

1:15:38

the big show in Charlotte this past Saturday,

1:15:40

this coming Saturday, your Norfolk and then

1:15:43

next week dynamite is going to be

1:15:45

in, uh, North Charleston, South Carolina. These

1:15:47

are old school

1:15:49

JCP towns. What was

1:15:51

it like going back to, uh, to Charlotte with

1:15:54

the nature boy? It was,

1:15:56

was very cool. I

1:15:58

mean, he was so well received and it. was,

1:16:00

it was done so well. And, you

1:16:02

know, I've, uh, Rick has been back since, uh,

1:16:06

obviously, uh, whenever

1:16:09

it was. Philadelphia,

1:16:14

Philadelphia. You

1:16:16

know, whenever Bush was on his campaign, Bush

1:16:19

junior, he made an appearance in

1:16:21

Charlotte and flair was there. And it

1:16:23

was really pretty neat. Whenever he got the microphone up

1:16:26

front, he said, Hey, I'm glad to

1:16:28

be here, but let's talk about the main guy in

1:16:30

the room. Yeah. Yeah. He

1:16:32

said, Rick. Yeah. He

1:16:34

always has a presence. There's no question

1:16:36

about that. And, and now in his

1:16:38

advanced age, ugly ass suits. Good

1:16:41

God. Yeah. That's that he

1:16:44

wears my God. Okay. But it's

1:16:49

out of the Michael Hayes playbook, it feels like, but

1:16:51

at least it fits. Yes. And,

1:16:53

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1:16:55

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1:16:58

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