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Music.

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Sitting a stand out east this is about passion pursuing

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our dreams of field our lifestyle the betterment

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of self and community the enlightenment that comes from those

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moments spent in god's creation through these conversations i hope you find

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insight inspiration education and motivation to push beyond your limits all

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right so we're on with uh some folks over at uh vp archery i'm pretty excited

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i stopped by the booth at hun expo and as busy as it is there and it's kind

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of a And at least in my opinion, a consumer based show for y'all.

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So I didn't want to, you know, take up too much time and do too much brain draining.

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And I think when I was over talking to Alex, it was, I don't know,

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10 minutes or so before the announcement of we're closing the door.

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And as soon as I heard that, I just ran.

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It's a nut house. Yeah. So we're able to get on.

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And, uh, you guys had, you know, we had shared messages back and wow,

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I think it was December and I responded and it just fell to the wayside,

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just trying to keep up with the stuff that comes through an Instagram.

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So I was like, oh my goodness. When I saw it, I was like, I feel like such a

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a-hole, but nonetheless, we're here to talk about one of my favorite topics and that's archery and get

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into what you guys are doing at advantage point and some of the beautiful broadheads

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you guys are putting out there. So why don't we start off, go ladies first with intros and give us a little

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background, and then we'll just roll from there.

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Alex froze. I think just over two years now. Start over. Did you lose me?

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Yeah, we lost you. You were frozen there. Got me. Got me. Yeah, you guys are breaking up on me too. So hopefully it's not my connection.

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Okay. Yeah. My name is Alex Christensen. I'm the marketing manager here at BPA.

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I've been here for just over two years now. So I'm actually new to bow hunting.

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I've always grown up in the outdoors and with a family that grew up hunting

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out west actually and moved over to Indiana.

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But this past season was my first season bow hunting and I love it.

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It's been so fun to get into through working at BPA.

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So yeah, that's a little bit about me.

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So why, why go from the West to Indiana and then start bow hunting?

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That is my first question. That might be the most pressing question of the podcast.

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You can end the podcast with what she answers then.

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I've basically grown up in Indiana, my whole life, Indiana, Kentucky.

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So my parents are both originally from Utah and my grandparents and parents

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both grew up hunting and kind of when we moved out here, it wasn't as prevalent,

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I guess. And they just didn't really keep up with it. So it wasn't something I really grew up doing.

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I was more involved in sports and things like that.

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But it's been fun since working at VPA to get back into it and kind of the whole

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family getting back into it, too. So it's been pretty awesome.

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Heck, yeah. Kind of spawned it, spurred it back on for everyone.

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It did, yeah. Yep. That's good. Go ahead, Brian, all you both.

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All right. Brian Poe, I'm the sales manager at VPA, and I've been here since

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October. had about a 35-year manufacturing career, about 30 of those in orthopedics,

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which is huge in Northern Indiana. But I was made the offer by the fine folks at VPA and actually turned it down

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for a while just because of the change, had nothing to do with the people and the opportunity.

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But my kids all thought I was out of my mind. They're like, you can go to a

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bow shop or a gun shop and talk as a hobby.

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Now they want to pay you to do it. So when they put it like that,

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it made a lot of sense. but really glad I came on board.

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A lot of good people, a lot of integrity, a great team, doing a lot of good

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things, good period of growth right now. So I've been bowhunting. I just finished my 38th season here in Indiana.

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I've only bowhunted whitetails. I have never hunted anything else.

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I had opportunities at turkey and small game, but I don't know,

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to me, bowhunting whitetails is as good as it gets for me here.

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Now, opportunities to come out west and chase elk,

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even caribou down the road or something i am all in

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to do but for here in indiana to me there's nothing like white johnny white

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i mean with a bow and and generally speaking right out of a blind or or a stand

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yep there's something yeah there's something to be said about the ability to sit in a tree stand.

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Deal with the weather you deal with in that fall season there.

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And I mean, it, we, you know, a lot of Western guys will poke fun at down South, back East, right?

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Sitting in a stand, man, was it last?

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No year before last we go, we went down to Texas, a buddy of ours managing a property.

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And I sat in that stand and couldn't believe the mental fortitude that it takes

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to sit through a 10, 11, 12 hours sit.

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It it is on and you can you can

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think you're in the best shape of your life until

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you get into a freaking tree stand man it is rough yeah especially some of the

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temps and our early season temps will be 70s i mean we've had opening days of

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archery october 1st where it's low 80s and then we're below zero with windshields

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you know by november december sometimes so we see it all yeah yeah and And then,

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and the whitetail are switched on and it's like, they're switched on all the time.

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Yeah. Right. There's no, there's no going out and we may catch one,

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you know, maybe if it's in the rut, he, he's not looking up at some point,

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but I was sitting in the stand. I'm watching pigs and deer, but I can see them coming and they'll stop.

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They'll look right up at me. I haven't moved. And I'm like, they know the position of the stand.

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It's the craziest thing, man. And there's a lot to go into planning that hunt.

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Right. and where you're putting your stands, you know, and your wind on the

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properties and whatnot. So I think it's pretty cool. It's definitely a bit different than what we're

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used to here, but there's so many similarities when it comes to the mental game

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and the wind and yada, yada, yada.

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I mean, super fun. We're actually leaving for Texas, I think Thursday or Friday this week.

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Going to take some of the single bevels down with us and see if we can't put

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a hurtin' on some exotics and some hogs down there with them. So pretty exciting.

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For that yeah that'll be awesome yeah so

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let's talk vantage point so you know where

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when who what how the whole nine on vantage point let's get some get some history

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on the company and maybe some of the product line that folks would know about

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i know you guys have been pushing and it seems to be kind of you know blowing

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up a little bit but give us the who what wins and everything mm-hmm.

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Yeah, so I can go ahead and get us started. So we're actually a machine shop

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and we still have that part of our business, Absolute Machining.

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They're on for over 20 years now.

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So one of our head machinists, Jeff Miller, who's still with us,

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was a big traditional bow hunter and just wanted to make his own broadhead.

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Saw the need for a more durable American-made head in the market.

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And I think our first head was a three blade 150 grain, maybe just a solid head,

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pretty simple and word of mouth spread.

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He gave it to his friends and it really just went from there.

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So that was about 2008, 2009.

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And then the past couple of years, we started selling online and getting into

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a lot of bow shops and really just been growing like crazy. It's hard to keep

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up, but it's been awesome. That's a pretty stout head to start off with but that that goes right in line with that that trad,

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set up there yeah yeah that's really

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our following started out in the traditional community and we

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still have a ton of traditional you know customers but

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really crossbow and compound and a little bit

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everything so it's been fun to kind of see it evolve to

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a little bit over time and you guys

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still making a 500 grain i think we

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do we don't sell it on our website i think we have a customer who

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who wants one made yeah and gets it occasionally so

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we carry carry on our website 100 to 300 right

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now is what we offer okay yeah i was looking at that i

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was looking at the pack you guys sent me here and it was up to

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350 so i was like huh i mean there's and

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there's plenty guys that are still out there and gals shooting you know

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that that 500 out front there yeah for

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our compounds i i don't i don't i didn't

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even ask you guys so compound or trad compound yep

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compound for me as well okay so we're all smart on here

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why make something why make something exponentially

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diff more difficult and we don't have to oh i'm still learning just how to get

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out there and bow hunt with the compound bows i think it'll be a very long time

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before i jump over to that side if ever yeah i keep i keep saying i'm gonna

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grab a trad bro bow and every Every time I think about doing it,

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I look back at my season and go, nah. Yeah. You know what? I have an obsessive personality.

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I'm the person that if I start something, I want to be at least good at it.

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I may not be the best, but I want to be what I feel like I'm satisfied.

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And I know where that would lead. If I picked up a trad bow,

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I would be out here for hours.

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Worse than I am a compound, and I don't have time for that. Yeah,

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no. I'm just staying away from it. You and me both.

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Yeah. Yeah. So, so how did, you know, where did it come from?

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We kind of talked about where it started. What, what makes you go, we're going to dive into this, this realm of broadheads

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and then in the market today, say we're going to ramp up our line,

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expand our line and really make a push towards the market.

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I mean, it's one would say that it's saturated a bit. What, what sets VPA apart, etc.?

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Yes. So I guess what sets us apart is easy to start off would be just American made.

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It always has been. We always will be. All of our broadheads are done in-house

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and, you know, in our machines. We have about 30 employees working in our machine shop. So we consider that

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30 families we take care of.

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So we're very serious about, you know, USA manufacturing and growing,

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you know, in that area too. We make our own broadheads. We actually machine other Other archery accessories

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like ILF risers, we do some small game heads, field points, stuff like that.

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And then we machine products for other companies in the archery industry,

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firearm industry, and stuff like that. So really everything we've done has been based off customer feedback and just

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seeing what the need is in the market and expanding from there,

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expanding into the two-blade stuff. And most recently with the single bubble has been the trend over the past couple of years.

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So that's been the most recent expansion. but but

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yeah customer feedback is kind of what drives us brand

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new man yeah we and then the beautiful thing

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is too in addition to manufacturing everything in-house which

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when we've gone to trade shows people are so impressed

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with that they just think you're a standalone broadhead company and that's

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it and they're so impressed with the fact that i call

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it our parent company absolute blue machining we make

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our own stuff and we make stuff for other people

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too without getting into the details so you know

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we're a premium product we're sourced in

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the usa as well so not only do we have usa manufacturing but

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we source our material in the usa and that's really

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big that was a real push for me

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when i first started shooting vpa heads which was a few years

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before i started working here and then

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since then i've just seen a dedication to that usa manufacturing

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and sourced and that's i'm all about it and if we can't get

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behind that i'm not sure we can get behind yeah that's

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i mean it's a pretty big deal right you know just like

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alex said right you're supporting all those families with

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that effort so yeah and decades of bad

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policies decades of policies you know

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with with sending things to china and unfortunately we as

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consumers are to blame too we like cheap stuff and for a

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long time we thought hey it's cheap but cheap and we never thought.

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About you know decades down the road where it would end up

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so i mean a lot of people are really impressed

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also with our usa manufacturing i've only had a couple people

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say and my customers don't care everybody else

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has said hey we're all about that we want to work with you

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guys just because of that if nothing else i think to a point that i mean there's

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there's truth on both sides of that right i think a lot of people say it and

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don't necessarily for convenience for finance follow through with with that

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right and and the convenience part of it.

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I'm going to have to disagree with that approach. Finance part of it, I can get it.

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But buy once, cry once is kind of my belief when it comes to,

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especially things I take out into the field.

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Yeah, well, and if you look at even our price structure, we've got price point

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heads. You know, like a three-blade 100 grain.

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It's not much more than a G5 Montech. It's not. And it's a way better head.

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It's not mem, one piece of machine, bar stock.

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And it's just a better head all the way around. And it's very,

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very comparable in price. So, you know, some people say that the price thing,

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but they also look at maybe your premium heads or your top shelf heads.

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And that's what they look at. Well, not everybody can't afford those. I get it.

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I've been there myself before, but you can still do better, I think,

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than what a lot of people settle for. Absolutely. So, so neither one of you touched on how crazy is everyone at VPA

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for stepping into this realm and, and upping a product line, right?

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I mean, it takes, it takes a lot to look at, to look at our industry and say,

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this is the approach we're going to take.

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So either you're crazy or you feel like the product is top shelf and it's better than X, Y, or Z,

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and no offense to anyone else, to really step out and say, hey,

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we're going to go, you know, Alex is on, cojones to the wall in this realm.

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What's that decision process? Because you look at it and go,

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well, wow, don't we have enough broadheads? Alex, you want to start it? Sure. I guess going back to what we mentioned,

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we take the customer feedback into consideration. And then typically, our team meets.

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We don't have a big team, so we wear a lot of hats. That's for sure.

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So we are crazy when it comes to adding a lot of new products and keeping up

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and pushing ourselves to expand into not even just broadheads.

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More recently, we expanded into the firearm industry with pistol compensators,

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which you probably saw at the show. But a little bit of everything so really it's just kind of

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doing our research and and putting those

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numbers together to see what's worth you know the

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investment for us to develop a new product put it out in the market it's a lot

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of time and testing but i don't think everyone realizes how much r&d gets put

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into a broadhead even if it's just a different grain weight we still want to

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do thorough testing to ensure it's going to hold up you know the test of time

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and all the different tests they put it through yeah,

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So just, I think, sorry, go ahead. No, no, no. After you.

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My, my thinking is, had I been offered this position back in October and I wouldn't

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have seen not just the Omega from last year, which I used this last season successfully,

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it works really, really well. But all of the things that they'd listed during the interview process,

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we're doing this and this and this and this. And plus we want you to bring more in. We want to grow this thing.

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We just sat forward looking, you know,

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mindset is really what attracted me also if

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they would have said i just come in you know it's the same heads

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and just go out and sell those things and good luck i don't know if i would

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have accepted the position to be honest i think it would have been maybe boring

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and flat and just not as fun to even have maybe design input in certain projects

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and again we have a great team everybody listens to each other even if you disagree

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and we're we're okay with disagreeing with each other,

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and you know and it all comes down obviously to ownership with decisions they

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want to make but But everybody is open to listening.

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And I don't know if that makes you crazy or just different, but it's been effective.

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And there's huge amounts of wisdom in that, right? Especially if you have a diverse team of people.

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I think that's, that is, it's a little crazy, right? When you look at the offerings

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and go, we're going to slam the market. Yeah.

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But there's wisdom in taking customer input, your R&D input,

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the folks that you bring on input. It's huge.

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Um so talk about the r&d process a little bit and then i want to get into some of the heads,

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how does that r&d process look like what do we how are we testing different

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steels are we testing edge retention hardness you know is it gelatin and ballistic

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testings things like that how does that all look,

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Go ahead, Brian. Cow bones and, gosh, what is it?

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OSB, layered OSB, shooting at close range distance in the field also.

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You know, our products are sent out to testers to see how they react on real animals.

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You know, gelatin's great. It kind of gives you an idea of how something's going

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to react. but there's nothing like bone tissue, organs, fur from different animals to provide feedback.

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That's the big one.

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And OSB is as scientific as one could get.

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It's a pretty hard, you know, that stuff's pretty hard, you know,

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with the glue they put in there. And so we'll shoot it at angles and we'll shoot it through and through and check

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it after penetration, see what the edge looks like. And our S7 stuff rockwells

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at 56, 58, which is a pretty hard hand.

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And so it holds up really well, the edge retention.

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Not just in testing through cow bones, OSB, etc. But I got pictures and I showed

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them at our trade show season here to people.

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And I said, this is the Omega after I blew through my buck.

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Scroll over. This is the three blade after my son blew through his.

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And we had a really good season this year. This is my son after he blew through his. is.

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And I'm blowing these pictures up and they're just mind blown at the edge that's still there.

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I would still hunt with every single one of them that we shot deer with this

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year. I would put it back in the quiver and hunt with it and not have a guilty conscious for it.

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We don't, we do touch them up before we put them back in the quiver,

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but yeah, they're, they're, they're just, they're just solid heads.

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And the, the edge retention is just second to none as far as we know what I've

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seen over the years. And then how does that honing look with that, with that hardness?

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It's you know i always say that sharpening is some

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people have the patience for it some people have a little you know skill

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to it a feel other people hate it with a passion

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i end up sharpening all of our heads my son-in-law my three sons before season

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they don't like it i enjoy it turn on the music and just sharpen some can be

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a little tougher than others but you what i do is i put it i put it aside i'll

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go to the next one so you're not trying to overwork it get frustrated set it

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aside, work on another one, and then go back to it. What I found last year, interestingly enough, and I was talking about this to

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one of our owners recently, I found that before this last season,

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our three blade heads, I worked those right down to a strop and got those hair popping sharp.

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A couple of the single bevels, if I stropped it, it felt like I lost that razor edge.

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So I went back to the 2,000 grit and 1,000 grit sandpaper and left them.

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And they were just hair popping, shaving the paper. So I think some people get too caught up in a process and

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you've got to think your way through stuff sometimes and go,

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okay, this one worked like this.

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Don't say this one has to, it's different.

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In Rockwell, a 56 to 58, maybe one's 56, one's 58.

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And if there's any tolerance in there, you deal with that also.

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But as far as getting an edge on them, it's not an issue, especially with the

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Omega, the lay flat technology, no jig needed.

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You just lay that that thing on the, uh, on the stone and go to work with it.

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And that, that thing was fun to sharpen this year. I enjoyed that.

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So I'm going to just pull that up. Right. So if anyone is listening that are

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watching, you can see on the ferrule that is on the same, call it plain as the bevel.

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So instead of having to hold that on edge to get that, you run that flat and

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then that's going to help you align that bevel as you run it up on that stone.

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There so when i mean guy when you when you turn that

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to the back side then there's a little micro bevel on

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the back side that also matches the ferrule so when you

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get that edge where you have a nice little burr and you turn

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that over and you drag it maybe on sandpaper or

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strop whatever you're doing to finish it that thing

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just it's it's unbelievable how if i can

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can you yeah yeah you can see it there there it is

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yeah and that was that was one of the

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things when alex handed me me the pack and you know we started talking

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about that at expo there i was like oh wow somebody actually

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thought beyond the bevel in

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terms of getting that honed and sharpened and that

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was that was immediately a standout for for me right it was like that level

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of thought process went into the end user i gotta look at this product in a

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in a brighter light it just yeah and it's a i I mean, it's a great looking head. I weighed everything.

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Everything was right in that 0.01 grains.

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So everything, and then width-wise, money, length-wise, money, ferrule, money.

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So consistency, and that's one of the things that drives my purchase,

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especially when it comes to broadheads, arrow components, is consistency across the build.

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I'm anal. When I build an arrow, I'm meticulous about how much glue I'm using,

21:57

where everything is going. If I'm building a 200 or excuse me, a 535 grain arrow, that's what this one is here.

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I want another 11 coming out at 535 grain.

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And I, the last dozen I built, I screwed up to one of them.

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And I can't, the one I was trying to figure it out yesterday and it's.

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547 for the life of me, I cannot figure out why it's 547 grain.

22:27

And the only thing that I could think of is I, I think, I think that I inadvertently

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put two inserts in there. It inserts.

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Yeah. And I think that's what accounted for because it's almost 10 grains. Exactly.

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Right. My glue. I mean, I'm so meticulous on my glue.

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So it's the only thing I could think of. So I'm going to deconstruct it.

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The best i can and i'm gonna figure it out because it

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came out i mean it was 547 and i was

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just like this makes zero sense i pulled components off weighed the components

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everything is jiving and i do a full spreadsheet like i'll go through i'll go

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sometimes i'm embarrassed telling telling i'll go through and i weigh i weigh

23:10

each vein i weigh each individual vein and i'll create a pile tile, right?

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If we're, you know, call it five grain, six grain, 7.28, whatever it is, right?

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And I'll match those through there, depending on how those land 10% here,

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40% here, 40% here, 10% there, then my 10 percenters going to be my cock veins, right?

23:32

And then the other that's going to be, you know, and then I try to build a consistent arrow across the board.

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If I'm pulling I'm pulling out the five, I'm pulling out the seven, I'm pulling out the eight.

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They're going to go on every single arrow the same.

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The best I can to have the same build plus or minus a couple grain on each single arrow.

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So I have no idea outside of putting another insert in that SOB that I gained 10 grains on that one.

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It was pretty interesting. Well, that's going to drive you nuts,

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so you might as well just go and work on that tonight, right?

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The deconstruction has started. started some of the

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some of the glue i should have hot melted them in there i

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haven't had a ton of luck with some of the hot melt in the arrow for some reason

24:16

it seems like i always snap loose so i tried a lighter epoxy so i have it soaking

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so i can see if i can't get the the hits out of there and see if that's what

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screwed me up but i think it is. Okay so we were talking i'm sorry we were talking about r and d

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so what what's your what's your yes we're

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building it no we're building it factors when it comes to the heads right say

24:41

we're testing out a single bevel how many you know iterations did you guys run

24:45

through with that single bevel was that you know due to the point was that due

24:49

to the edges how does that look before you say okay it's going to market or

24:54

we're scrapping this idea. There's never a set of integrations we go through.

25:00

I know with the Omegas, we actually worked with Daryl Barnett to design the Omega.

25:06

Like you guys were talking about, the feedback was sharpening.

25:09

Some people just hate it or don't like the time it takes.

25:12

So that was the driving factor to design the Omega, which we launched in July,

25:16

I believe. And it's been our number one seller since then.

25:19

So huge success with the Broadhead and for obvious reasons, just super super

25:23

easy to sharpen, but still getting those characteristics of a single bevel that everybody loves.

25:28

But that broadhead went through several iterations to figure out what we wanted

25:34

from it to get the sharpening perfect, to be as easy as possible.

25:38

Because there were different things we could do, but it's a patent pending head

25:42

too. So a lot of the features on there were very meticulously chosen.

25:46

It's got the tanto tip there, the bevel angles and all that good stuff.

25:51

Stuff so brian you can probably talk more about the the testing of it at least

25:55

yeah and then also the wedge on the opposite side so i'm not sure can you not

26:00

catch that so basically anything that that gets in the omega's way you know

26:06

is it's going to have to get out of the way so i think.

26:10

Some of that also can be attributed to i think if you have really smart people

26:15

who understand geometry who have hunted and killed a lot of stuff and then you

26:20

add somebody like daryl barnett kind of known as Rocket Man is what people have

26:24

called him on the internet, but super smart guy with flight characteristics and aerodynamics.

26:29

And when you put him to it along with our people, you apply that science to a lot of experience.

26:34

And not that you don't test things, obviously we do, we test it,

26:38

but that kind of cuts out, I think, a lot of trial and error.

26:42

I know there were different iterations with our heads, but if it's something

26:46

that's real science and it makes sense and it actually has functioned in the

26:50

past or something similar. Maybe you're just kind of tweaking a design along the way. You know,

26:55

I think it just makes sense. It's an easy go then. Heck yeah.

26:59

Bear with me here. I'm scrolling too. So one of the things that I like that

27:05

I noticed was this custom test pack, right?

27:08

So if you're a tinkerer or somebody that wants to see, you know,

27:11

what your preference is, you guys have a custom test.

27:15

I think it's a three pack. Yeah, three pack of broadheads. So you can go from

27:18

a solid to a vented to a single bev.

27:21

And then mix and match your weights there. That's actually, again,

27:25

for an end user, like why wouldn't I go down that path to understand what my

27:33

bow likes to shoot at the front of whatever arrow it is that I'm building at the time.

27:39

And it runs through the entire product line. So you get to select three heads

27:44

of your choice, be it the single bevel two blades, the lefts, the rights.

27:51

Three blade vented, three blade solid. I have my opinion of vented.

27:57

I'll shoot a turkey with them. But I thought that was pretty cool.

28:03

When it's someone like me that wants to see, right?

28:06

I mean, it's an expensive endeavor.

28:10

I don't know why that was a tongue twister, but it's an expensive endeavor,

28:13

right? So, you know, you spend all this time, like I said, I'm anal about my builds.

28:16

So I fashion all this out on paper. I put it together. I get a broad head.

28:21

And now I've spent a hundred bucks, you know, on, on a three pack or whatever it is.

28:25

And I don't like the way they fly on the front of it. I could test this out early on.

28:31

Yeah. That's a great flipping idea in my opinion.

28:35

Yeah. And we actually, we wanted to do that for a while and just,

28:38

you know, it's just something we got around to more recently putting it on the

28:41

site, but it has been popular, especially for a lot of those people coming from maybe a mechanical who have

28:47

absolutely no idea if if they want to shoot a three blade or they want to try

28:50

and just jump, you know, head first into the whole single bevel game.

28:54

So I think it's a great resource. And then we also offer the field point test

28:58

kits too, for people who like to tinker around with maybe different weights.

29:02

So it's just a pack of field points that has one of each from a hundred grain,

29:06

all the way up to 300 grains, you get a 100, 125 and so on.

29:10

So you can kind of play around with different field point, you know,

29:13

grain weights and figure out what. Grain weight you want to shoot before the season starts and before you buy your broadheads.

29:19

Okay. And then you guys have that crazy looking, you got to,

29:22

so walk, I'm sorry, I'm jumping all over because I'm on the website right now.

29:26

So you got to walk me through the three blade 125 turkey spur.

29:30

So that is, that's an interesting looking setup there in terms of a broadhead.

29:36

So I'm curious now that I've seen it. Yeah. So that's designed just to create drag and, you know, Sticking the turkey

29:42

versus a full pass through. I think we've actually got some exciting things we're working on this year with

29:47

that, just based on feedback and different things we've wanted to do over the years.

29:52

Because that has been around for several years now, and that's been a popular

29:55

one, too. We offer it in 125 and 150 grain.

29:58

I haven't got to shoot that one yet. Brian, you're not a big turkey hunter, so you haven't got to shoot that one. I'm not.

30:06

Okay, so the rear. What is it? Super cool videos with that of customers shooting it.

30:14

So the rear blade is only edged on, call it the top of the blade,

30:20

in line with the main blade, correct?

30:24

And the other is flat face and that's what drags the drag through there? That is interesting.

30:29

I mean, it makes sense. That's what I mentioned, like with the really smart people that we have that

30:35

design these things. It's just, you know, you apply science and some common

30:39

sense and experience and you get good stuff.

30:42

And that's a hard one. I mean, you know, unless you, unless you are lopping off heads at the neck,

30:49

you know, you're, you're really, you're really looking for a bird on the run,

30:54

especially when you get out of distance with those, with some of those bigger boys.

30:58

And, and, well, I won't say what my favorite shot with a single bevel on a turkey

31:02

is to get them to drop at eight yards consistently.

31:07

That is a really good idea that's pretty interesting,

31:12

And I'm not a fan of mechanicals much anymore. I used to love them.

31:17

I had a couple of bad instances, and I'm like, no, thank you.

31:21

Yeah, I'm with you. You know, I grew up shooting fixed. There was no such thing

31:26

as mechanicals when I started. I mean, to back up completely, we shot bows with 50-pound, 55-pound draw weight and 50% letoff.

31:35

People would die if they tried that now. They're used to the 90% stuff.

31:38

You're holding 25, 27 pounds and didn't know any better.

31:42

And, you know, we shot the XX-75s, we shot the Bear Razor heads and Zwicky heads, 150, 160 grain.

31:49

Our arrow weights were 500 grains back then, even on pretty short draw lengths.

31:55

And we're pulling this, holding stupid weight. And you know what I never heard

31:59

was, did you get a pass through? Never. Never. It was just a given. We never worried about penetration because

32:06

science is real and that's a whole separate rabbit hole.

32:10

But the point is fixed heads just work and they worked for years for me.

32:14

But I jumped on a mechanical thing for a few years at two bad situations and said, I'm done.

32:21

And then that's when I got hooked up with VPA and started shooting those.

32:24

And I'm, I'm, yeah, I'm, I'm done with mechanics forever.

32:28

Ever yeah yeah and like i said i'm a

32:30

i've been a single bevel guy for a while now and i

32:33

mean just the wound channel that it creates and then

32:36

the even in my opinion of it right even if i don't get the full pass through

32:41

and i and that arrow's sticking out the devastation it's going to cause as it's

32:46

twisting it has to twist back out or pull across flesh that's not cut it's just

32:52

damage in in damage out either way.

32:55

Yeah. I, I love them. And then you guys got these crazy.

32:59

That's what's interesting is like, you look at the Turkey head and then these

33:01

small game thumpers and it's just like, well, that just makes sense too.

33:07

Looking at the wall see the 175 oh that's a glue on i was gonna say why does

33:12

that look like that but that 175 with that kind of concave tip on that thing

33:17

i mean that is that's taking energy,

33:21

and and literally driving that energy in and through versus having something

33:27

with a rounded broader tip that dispersed that energy and tell me if i'm wrong

33:31

in that design just looking at it That's what I see when we talk about on-impact stuff there. Yep.

33:40

That's going to be in my quiver for my grouse for September.

33:45

I always got to have one for the grouse. Although Brian wouldn't know about

33:49

that because he doesn't want to come hunt out west with us.

33:53

Oh, yes, he does. He does. I do. I will.

33:57

I will. you want if you want

34:00

your life ruined forever come out

34:04

in september and get into some

34:07

bowls you you won't have to kill a

34:09

thing all you need to do is hear a couple bugles a couple

34:13

yeah the job that i'd

34:15

left here in october some guys there elkhart caribou

34:19

regularly they go out west and alaska and canada and

34:22

they said the first time one guy

34:25

told me the first time he ever went he didn't get a shot and sometimes

34:28

he forgot he was even there to get a shot he was just watching

34:31

the action listen to the bugles listen to the calls

34:34

and you kind of get lost in it you get nap out

34:37

of it go i'm here to hunt you know and get back in your focus again and yeah

34:40

he said once you do that you'll never you'll never look at it the same and you

34:45

you can never avoid it like it has to be an every year thing i mean it just

34:49

it is it is heaven in a bottle every September.

34:55

So outside of the... I'm sorry, man. Outside of the broadheads,

35:00

you guys do components or anything else, you know, like that? Sleeves or...

35:05

Yep. Collars? Yep, we have the footers that we machined.

35:09

Yep, yep. And then the, let's see, the small game heads we do for all grain

35:14

weights. We do still, like you mentioned, offer some glue-on options.

35:18

We also do have some glue-on options for blades, too, for some of the tread

35:23

that will have whims on the market. We are working to expand and actually offer like a 15 and 17-inch,

35:30

hopefully this year, in the riser, too, to kind of expand that product offering.

35:36

But yeah, a few other exciting things we're working on this year.

35:39

Hopefully we can, you know, say more about it here in the next couple of months

35:43

as we get closer to season. But it should be a great year.

35:46

So what size arrows are you guys covering in the footers?

35:50

It's in the 205 range. It's in that neighborhood. I've used them on RIP TKOs.

35:55

I think, aren't they technically though, Alex, they're for the FMJs, different size FMJs.

35:59

But yet if you just match up the ID with the OD of the arrow you want, I've done that.

36:05

And they work they work great yep and you guys are you guys are machining all that too huh.

36:12

Yeah i'll pull those up real quick so size so okay so yeah size for that also

36:18

compatible with the od of 0.263 dangerous name bearers game heck y'all have to look at that,

36:25

and then any any inserts or hit inserts things like that coming in the future.

36:33

Yeah, we're working on a few things. So we're hoping if we can crank through

36:37

our list of everything we want to get done this year, you know,

36:40

it should be should be on the lookout for that. So, yeah, we're excited.

36:43

I tried it. We're always we're always working on some thing.

36:47

I suck you into saying yes, because you said that before.

36:51

So so give us a little bit of a look of eventually.

36:55

What can you what can you let out of the bag that you're working on?

37:01

We publicly announced we're working with Valkyrie a

37:04

few months ago so we've always made Valkyrie Archery if you're familiar he's

37:07

based out west but always made Brent's Broadhead and things like that so we

37:13

are working with them on a couple new products for the coming year but yeah

37:18

and he yeah super excited about that partnership so I know a lot of people have

37:21

been asking questions so, yeah they they I mean they hit

37:25

the market strong it seems like we'll have answers for everybody buddy.

37:29

See you soon. Yeah. Alex, you're on a bad, bad delay. Sorry. She's breaking up. Yeah.

37:36

She's on a huge delay there. Yeah. I know that also while we're, we're catching up there with her,

37:42

you know, one part of the market that is, that I, I know listeners are going

37:47

to maybe stumble, hate me. I don't know, but I'm not a crossbow guy, but it's a no brainer that that market

37:54

is huge. Oh, absolutely. In every state where it's legal, goal there are more crossbow hunters than there

37:59

are vertical bow hunters every state so it only makes sense to jump into that

38:03

also so i'll just leave it at that right alex.

38:10

Yep i like how tight-lipped alex is if you need a secret cup she's a girl.

38:18

No no secrets so just it's just a matter of having.

38:25

Things going on and wanting to you know not over promise for the coming season yeah understood so,

38:34

give me top two heads right if

38:37

you guys if you guys are talking to a western hunter what are

38:40

the top two heads in the arsenal at vp

38:43

archery i mean i i would say if

38:46

you're looking at light and fast you can't go wrong with 100

38:49

125 grain three blade to me

38:52

you know you do get the extra that third blade you

38:55

know cutting surface there and then i could i

38:58

would never shy away from a single bevel or omega for anything

39:01

our regular single bevel the penetration that

39:04

we saw with that head before we switched over

39:07

to the omega actually a couple of my boys are still using the

39:10

single bevel i think we had one deer

39:13

that went over 70 yards with our

39:16

single bevel or omega mega and that was on a

39:19

poor head it was back a little far but i

39:22

will say that i believe that if it hadn't achieved the penetration

39:25

it did i think that the deer would have

39:28

been wounded we never would have recovered it instead he went to his first bed

39:31

unfortunately we had to wait till the next morning to recover him but he was

39:35

there and i know for a fact just from experience that if we hadn't gotten a

39:39

penetration out of that that deer would have been lost and that's sickening

39:44

anyone who has ever done it. It's just not a good feeling.

39:47

The worst. Yeah. So, you know, looking at, and I generally shoot 125 grain, right?

39:54

And I was looking at some of the, some of the three blade options and I'm going

39:58

to have to up my, my grain weight to move into that longer, that longer three blade.

40:05

I don't know. I don't know if it's an aesthetic thing or if it's my mind telling

40:09

me that, that longer blade option.

40:13

And design with the, you know, call it the 200s, the 250s, up to that 300 is

40:21

a better head than just a 125 three-blade. Yeah.

40:26

Yeah, with the three-to-one blade ratio, you know, the length and the diameter

40:30

kind of goes along with the Asprey Foundation's findings in their tests and

40:34

it's great for penetration. Penetration, but when you combine, you know, carbon or tool steel like ours,

40:40

whichever you're using, in fact, the carbon, the three-blade 100-grain, one of our customers is a high-volume

40:46

shop in the area, and one of their bow technicians this year tried our 100-grain

40:50

three-blade for the first time.

40:52

He sends me a picture, and he's in a saddle, and he's looking straight down,

40:56

and there's a buck laying at the base of his tree. And I said, did you shoot it? And he died under are

41:01

you and he said no i shot him straight down through the spine the

41:04

arrow came out and was touching the ground and he obviously just

41:07

dropped so blew completely through the spine went through the heart and the

41:11

buck dropped in his tracks that was with the three grain or the three blade

41:15

hunter grain which it's a small head but if you look at it too and you hold

41:19

it it almost to me just looks like a little powerhouse it's the first vpn head

41:23

i ever shot and it flew like a dart and And it just, it does some good work.

41:28

Yeah, that's the DRT is definitely the way to be.

41:33

I shot an axis last year and that was my shortest track ever.

41:37

And the blood trail was 11 inches long. I mean, you want to talk about stoked?

41:44

There ain't nothing like it. So I can't even imagine up in the tree,

41:49

the angle to come straight down on the spine like that.

41:53

Woof yeah and he was shooting a hinge that's

41:57

a stud right there yeah that's difficult he's he's

42:00

a good shooter he saw a shot competition so he's he knows

42:03

what he's doing obviously but that is a really tough shot at 10 not to mention

42:07

at a zero that's tough shot nuts so the okay so you talked about the regular

42:15

or premium single bevel so the difference in that from the omega is really the The sharpening,

42:20

maybe a little bit in terms of the shape and width of the blade.

42:27

Alex? Yep, yep. The sharpening is the biggest thing.

42:31

So you have to have a jig to sharpen the single bevel. The traditional single

42:34

bevel, I guess the ones you're looking at there on the screen.

42:37

We do offer the ones also in the carbon tool steel versus the S7.

42:42

So just different price points too, depending on if customers are looking for

42:47

a single bevel that's a little more affordable. They can go with the carbon dual steel option.

42:52

If they want to upgrade to that S7 steel, which is just a more premium,

42:55

it's going to hold that edge a lot better. They can get the S7 version.

42:58

So that's those guys. And then from there, we kind of applied those same design

43:02

characteristics a little bit.

43:05

When designing the Omega, just that easy lay flat sharpening technology there.

43:10

And then the Omega does have a tanto tip versus the chisel tip with a single

43:14

bevel. So we do get feedback from customers that like each.

43:17

We found them both to be successful with our testing. So we do offer both,

43:22

but everything kind of comes down to personal preference.

43:25

It seems like even though there's a lot of testing behind different heads,

43:28

people are always going to have their opinions on, you know,

43:30

what style they want and different things like that.

43:34

So I have, I want you to expand a little bit, expand a little bit between the,

43:39

the tool steel versus the S7, but to comment on what you said,

43:43

we all have our personal preferences. And I think the weight of that personal preference is derived 60 to 70 percent

43:51

solely based on aesthetics and not actual use or benefit of design.

43:59

I swear to goodness, I don't know why I say 60 to 70 percent,

44:03

but I watch people buy bows. I watch people buy broadheads. I watch people buy arrows and fletching and almost

44:10

everything is aesthetically based.

44:13

As much as we say, well, I like it's just dead in my hand, but you stared at

44:19

the color for 45 minutes and finally selected that one.

44:26

So that's my comment there. But if you can, for the folks that are listening,

44:30

talk a little bit about the differences in the tool steel versus the S7.

44:34

So they understand that that monetary difference in the value there.

44:40

Well, obviously, the Rockwell, the overall hardness is going to be different.

44:43

When you look at the application of S7 tool steel, I mean, they make fixtures

44:47

and dyes out of that stuff. So it's designed to be more durable.

44:51

With that, obviously, does come a cost. But we've also done some testing.

44:56

I also shot the S7 with a single bevel, but I did testing with the regular carbon.

45:01

As far as edge retention and all the testing I did, which would be bones at

45:06

home, even when I shot through a cow and deer scapula, as well as OSB,

45:11

I was really impressed with the carbon steel.

45:14

I mean, it's a great, great material. It's not like it's bad.

45:16

It's just S7 is just that extra step up there. So, you know,

45:21

the preference thing, like you'd mentioned, it is funny. I think what kind of intrigues people about a single bevel, or especially the

45:27

Omega, is the visual part. heart, it's like, what is this thing about?

45:32

Or, oh man, that's interesting. Even a single bevel, they go, why is it only sharpened on one side?

45:37

Some people don't understand what that does and what, you know, the science behind it.

45:41

And so you get to explain it. And then when you really think about it after

45:45

what you see it does to an animal, you know, and the amount of penetration you

45:49

get and damage and wound channel, it just makes a whole lot of sense.

45:53

But I would say the difference between the two like

45:56

alex said there's some preference for sure i mean

46:00

a harder material is a harder material it's still

46:02

okay to sharpen but you know if

46:05

you think about two the stuff that we hunted back in in the day like i

46:08

said they weren't anything like what we're making now and they held up pretty

46:11

well also i think personally the bottom line is if you think about if your bow

46:17

isn't tuned your arrow is coming out of your bow crooked oscillating it's not

46:23

doing doing what it's supposed to do, it's not impacting your target.

46:26

Perpendicular, straight, whatever that looks like based on the animal,

46:30

you're not only going to lose a lot of energy, but you're also putting undue

46:34

stress on the head itself. Instead of a nice, perfectly straight cut through the fur and the bone and the

46:42

tissue, you're not going to lose a lot of energy. You know, you go at an angle and you're just not, you're not making the best

46:48

use of that edge, I guess, is what I would say. It's only going to get more

46:51

dull as it goes through the animal. It can't get sharper. It can't. It's impossible.

46:57

And then the chisel versus the tanto tip.

47:01

I mean, that's, I mean, that's almost, that's almost as long a conversation

47:08

as single bevel versus double bevel.

47:12

Yeah i i would say out of

47:15

the tonneau tip obviously is a proven penetrator thing's

47:18

been around for a long time what i liked out

47:21

of the the um the tip on the single bevel

47:24

is it seemed to just displace bone

47:27

really well when it threw shoulder blade it just literally splits

47:30

it opens that up like twist it like it's

47:33

not even there obviously both work my omega worked

47:36

really really well this last year as well but again there's some

47:39

preference in it both are going to kill both are going to kill effectively i

47:43

just think that our heads i i call them boringly reliable

47:46

uh there's nothing to open there's nothing really fancy to look at it's just

47:51

a nice sharp quality piece of steel you put on the end of your arrow and it

47:56

does great work and that's kind of boring that boring is good though right i

48:01

mean yes ultimately right everything thing that we've talked about and, and,

48:05

you know, it all comes down to shot placement and time behind the string.

48:09

So boring, isn't a bad thing. Right. If you're putting it in the right spot, man, and build,

48:15

you know, for me, I love building arrows, right?

48:17

I try to build a, as good as an arrow as I could build, and then being able

48:22

to put something that's. Lack of a better word, fun, you know, and, and a little bit boring on the tip

48:29

and just go and have that consistency time and time again.

48:32

And that's one of the things that I said, you know, early on is when I pull

48:36

them out of the pack and I throw them on the scale, they're right there measure with,

48:40

I mean, and, and it's funny because you'll get, you know, you'll get from,

48:44

from tip to call it, you know, back of broadhead right at, you know,

48:47

where the ferrule is just full ferrule. And that's where I've seen more variance than not from company to company to company to company.

48:55

And okay, I only have a three pack, but to see how tight that tolerance was

49:01

on the Omegas, I was pretty impressed.

49:05

And then that grain weight falls in line, the accuracy from head to head in

49:09

that grain weight falls in line with where I want to be on my aero builds.

49:13

Now, when you guys go go through that is your is your

49:16

qa process before packaging are you

49:20

looking at grain weight consistency per pack or how does that look did we lose

49:25

alex i think we did and i think we did yeah our manufacturing process is kept

49:30

pretty tight-lipped i know they used to give tours through the shop and stop

49:33

doing that for different reasons including you know our ip it's important to maintain that.

49:39

But yeah, the quality that's maintained with blade thickness,

49:44

with weight, it's all pretty meticulous.

49:47

It's all very, very meticulous to make sure that nothing...

49:51

We don't want to sell a premium product that we call high quality and American-made

49:57

product and have an end user complain and say, hey, this isn't what you sold me.

50:01

That's just not good for business. It's not good for your name.

50:04

We have more integrity than that as a company.

50:07

And you know what i mentioned boringly reliable earlier too that's

50:10

what you said was perfect if you don't have to worry about

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the weight the dimensions the blade thickness the

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sharpness as long as you do your due diligence you put on the front of a an

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arrow out of a tuned bow it is boring because you don't have to worry about

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it that's right you tune your bow at the beginning is the hard part get that

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done and get these things flying right but i'll tell you this much because Because

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of the tolerance of these also, light issues you just don't have.

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Now, is that to say you may not get some outlier maybe down the road?

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But I personally haven't found any that wouldn't fly.

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What I have found is if you insert tune them, you're going to get more variation

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out of an insert, whether it's brass, aluminum, titanium, steel.

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If you think about the diameter of an insert and your threads are off just a

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little bit, just a little bit of angle, you're going to get run out in that head.

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It doesn't mean your head's bad. And you have tolerance in the head,

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tolerance in the insert, tolerance in the arrow.

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So insert tuning is important also. If you get that thing to spin straight,

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mark it, and then glue it in there, you'd have a lot better success as well.

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I'm glad you brought that up, right? Because that's a very, very overlooked

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point of an arrow build. And-

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More times than not, the broadhead is blamed.

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And it's the craziest thing. It's like you have an entire process there that

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there should be checks and balances on. So I'm glad you brought that up. And that is part of my anal process.

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You know, it's amazing. We've talked about it as a team and that,

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you know, we spend $1,400 on a bow and we put high-end rest on and we put high-end

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sites and we buy $300 releases.

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I mean, we've got $2,500 in these packages, and then we go to Walmart and we

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buy a three-pack of broadheads for $30. And to me, it's mind-blowing. I don't understand when that is the part of the

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arrow, the most important. It's leading the way. The cutting edge.

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That's the part that's going to make contact first, and it's going to help pull

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that thing through the animal. And it's just mind-blowing to me that people take shortcuts on what I think

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is the most important part of the bill. No, I would 110% agree with that.

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I have a buddy that shoots that his bow has to be, has to be a dozen plus years old,

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but he's smart enough to know that I'm going to go buy the best broadhead for my money that I can buy.

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And every year he'll re-up six of them. He's like, look, I don't spend money on anything else.

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I'm buying a new six of these, whatever they cost every single year.

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And for as much guff as that guy gets about that bow, but you watch him shoot

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it and he's lights fricking out, man. And he knows that's funny.

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Yeah. Hey, I've got a Bowtech. I bought my first Bowtech back.

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It was brand new. I bought it in 2003. I hunted with that for 16 years. I just retired that in 2019.

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I couldn't deal with it. And actually, a funny thing is my wife was the one

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going, what are you doing? Buy a new bow. Everybody else has one. I said, why?

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It works. And then I went and shot some and I went, okay, there is a difference

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in a 2003 model and modern bows.

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Massive difference in efficiency and and features and tunability it's not even

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close so since then i've probably bought 15 or 16 i just got this this thing

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here it's in a lift yeah man yeah it's i mean unreal,

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unreal and guess why i settled on it i love the way it shoots but it has the

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masio land the color got me. Alex knows. 45 minutes. There it is right there. He stared at it and said, I love the color.

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It's so freaking cool too. And it's that old bottom land.

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Oh man. Those bows shoot really nice. My youngest son has one on order.

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I ordered it in late December. It'll be here in mid-May.

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So I can't shoot those. The Matthews, I've got a from sports,

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I've got a kind of a messed up left thumb and the way that riser

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shape i cannot get my thumb out of

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the way and it just wears a hole in it it's like it's debilitating

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and it's too bad because i just shot one of those again today they're a

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really nice shooting bow i was super nice i haven't shot

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a matthews in five or six years i mean shot them but you know haven't owned

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one or purchased one and i shot this bow at expo and i tried to buy it from

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matthews right there i was like okay where do i sign in that and and luckily

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you know why well not local They're a few hours away, but no limits.

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Took care of me and said hey we got a bottom land in and i ran i ran the two

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and a half three hours over the hill to go pick it up saturday i mean just a

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wonderful shooting bow and and the the.

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Meticulous efforts that they put into their r&d to

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really get everything dialed in from the limbs to the string and and really

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said hey we got to look at this entire package and not just a new new riser

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or a new cam so it's really really really a well balanced great shooting machine,

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right yeah it'll look nice with the uh omegas flying out of that thing well we'll see this week,

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actually can't shoot that one yet because i don't have my sight on it but,

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we'll get a site i'm waiting on that site to come in i'm hope i'm

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hoping all i need is about four or five hours at the range before texas and

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i'm good so we'll see what happens but the omegas they got they got spun on

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some arrows last night and i was hoping to shoot them today but we'll get out

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tomorrow and send some downrange and typically that hunt we're shooting,

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under sub 65 ish there's a couple stands where the pigs will come down the roads

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and they'll offer you a little bit of a further shot i think the last pig i

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took out of there i think was like like 62 yards from a stand.

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So we'll, we'll get to have some fun, but you definitely got to have the night

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at locks in that scrub country down.

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So forward to it. So before we wrap, let's tell folks, you know,

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where they can get ahold of you guys, what the website is, YouTube,

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et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Alex, you go ahead.

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Did we lose her again? I think she's just here for the giggles at this point.

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All right. all right i'll get it started and if she she gets her connection back,

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vparchery.com i'm here you guys are the

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ones who are lost alex are you sure all right i'm good there's yeah go ahead

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now tell us where they can find us you can find us at vparchery.com just google

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vpa vantage point archery we're on all the social media platforms so give us a follow They're yeah,

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really anywhere you can find us and we'll post about new products and different

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deals we have going on and different things like that. So be sure to reach out with any questions.

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And then the YouTube is the same VP archery. Yep. Yep.

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And any last words, give me, give, give the folks the elevator pitch on why

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they should open that website right now and get some VP archery points screwed

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onto those arrows this season. You want to go first, Alice? Sure. If I don't get kicked off here.

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Yep. Precision machined, American made. So solid one piece construction,

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no metal injection molding, no welding together.

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So super durable, lifetime warranty.

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So say you had past throw hit a pile of rocks, you can't sharpen it out.

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Send it back to us. We'll send you to replace my head. Yep.

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So there's that. There's the business aspect. I would just say,

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looking at it from my perspective, kind of fortunate with long arms and I'm pretty tall.

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So I have a long draw length, 31 and a half inches, generate a lot of energy.

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So I could probably shoot a lot in different heads. But I would also say that

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because of the energy that is generated out of my draw length,

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the fact that we pass through, we're sticking in the ground afterward and the

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edge retention is still there, I think speaks volumes.

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Volumes and i would also say if you were a shorter draw

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person don't shy away from fixed blades

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that is more important in my opinion you

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don't want to you don't want to give away energy giving away

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energy to open a mechanical is just it just

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doesn't make any sense i can't imagine a nascar driver saying hey

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we can top out at 700 horsepower for race

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a but let's go to 650 instead it just

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doesn't make any sense so maximize your

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potential and do that with a fixed blade head especially if you

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have a short of draw length or you're down on draw weight a little bit

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thank you well i appreciate the time

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greatly i look forward to sending these down range this week and sending you

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guys some pictures hopefully a couple more access and some piggies down there

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in texas everybody if you're listening go check them out at vantage point archery

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give them a follow on instagram and go sub over at youtube,

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thanks guy we appreciate it thank you guys.

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