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Hi everyone, our topic today

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is menopause and mindset.

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Our special guest today is Clarissa

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Kristjansson, and I'm gonna read

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her bio and then we'll get started with the show.

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Clarissa Kristjansson PhD is

0:53

an internationally recognized menopause

0:55

educator and certified mindfulness

0:58

and medical qigong

1:00

practitioner, focused on the positive

1:03

and transformative nature of menopause.

1:06

A neuroscientist and former

1:08

corporate high flyer. Clarissa

1:11

has 28 years of experience

1:13

leading insight into behavioral. Her

1:16

perimenopause experience set her on

1:18

a different path to empower women through this

1:20

transformational life stage, cracking

1:22

opened the conversation about our beliefs

1:24

and behaviors and shifting the

1:27

collective mindset to see this menopause as

1:29

an opportunity for reinvention

1:31

and revitalization. She's

1:33

the host of the popular Thriving Through

1:36

Menopause podcast, author of the bestsellers,

1:39

the Mindful Menopause, and the Potent Power

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of Menopause a Globally diverse

1:43

perspective of feminine transformation

1:46

and creator of the Thriving through

1:48

Menopause program. Welcome Clarissa.

1:51

Thank you for coming on the show today. Thank

1:53

you so much for having me, Wendy.

1:55

I'm so delighted to be here and talk.

1:58

I think I'm your first guest talking

2:00

about menopause.

2:01

You are. So as a woman whose figuring

2:04

out she's going through it herself. So, so really

2:07

excited about having you

2:09

guys as a guest. And I've heard this

2:11

before, is that women as

2:13

they go through this, they don't realize the changes

2:16

that are going through their body. And part

2:18

of the thing that I hear the most is they want keep

2:20

up to what they could even do a few years

2:22

ago and realize that things are

2:24

different. So I'm so excited to get into this topic

2:26

with you.

2:28

Good.

2:29

So let's get right into it. I'd love to

2:31

know what does a positive

2:34

mindset look like to you during menopause?

2:36

Because that could mean different things to different people.

2:39

Well, of course, I think you're right there, Wendy.

2:41

It is different things to different

2:43

people and how we interpret it, but

2:46

for me, I think it's firstly

2:48

not buying into

2:51

this age old narrative

2:53

that our life is over

2:55

this, is it menopause? I'm

2:57

now old and I'm gonna be

2:59

fading into invisibility. I'm

3:02

not attractive. I can't have a new

3:04

career. And that is still

3:06

very prevalent in the conversations

3:08

that go out there. And, sadly

3:10

there is a conversation going

3:12

on. It's a deficiency and it's a syndrome.

3:15

Well, I don't buy into that and I know some pretty

3:17

high ranking scientists

3:19

who know more about their biology even than I do,

3:21

and they're. That's not correct

3:23

because it's not. So we

3:26

need to think about this time as

3:28

a transition. Not

3:30

as an end it is, of course, it's an ending

3:32

of one phase of our life and

3:35

a transition to the next phase. But

3:37

we do go through this

3:40

change. We can manage

3:42

it. There is information, there

3:44

are people who can help us. And

3:46

so being positive is about really

3:49

knowing that's it. And also knowing

3:51

that even though it's hard, there is

3:53

a kind of a finite it. This isn't

3:55

the rest of our. and that

3:57

we are incredibly able to

3:59

be self-empowered at

4:01

this time to make necessary

4:04

changes that maybe we've been avoiding

4:06

a bit fixing our diet,

4:08

fixing our lifestyle. Those things

4:10

we are pretty good at, saying, oh, get to that later,

4:13

or just glossing it over. And somehow

4:16

menopause shine or perimenopause, should I say,

4:18

shine's a bit of a spotlight on it. No,

4:21

you can't do what you did when you were 20.

4:23

Now it's time to shape up, make

4:26

changes that are going to help you have

4:28

a much better quality of life when

4:30

you are 60, 70, 80,

4:32

90.

4:34

Okay, and I do have this. Question

4:36

that I think you'll probably be able to answer perfectly,

4:38

which, because I didn't know about this as

4:40

somebody who's going through it, and I don't know if every

4:42

woman does, there are stages

4:45

of menopause. I know we hear very much

4:47

so of like, it's pre, it's post,

4:50

it's menopause, but I think there's more

4:52

stages in there that we don't naturally

4:55

talk about. And I'd love to pick Your

4:57

brain on that, because women might not

4:59

know they're going through it because. They're

5:02

not old enough to be in Premenopause.

5:04

So let's get those sort of stages. So

5:06

premenopause, you are not having

5:09

any hormonal fluctuations. That's

5:11

you beyond what we have every

5:13

month, right? So that's our normal. But

5:15

we go into this phase called perimenopause,

5:19

and this is when our hormones

5:22

initially start fluctuating

5:24

and then they decline. We

5:26

have progesterone, which is the one

5:29

that goes pretty wacky in that phase

5:31

to start with and why we feel so

5:33

rocked and we sense our stress

5:35

and then our estrogen declines and both

5:38

of them decline. And we do also lose testosterone,

5:40

which surprisingly women make more

5:42

of than they even do estrogen. Most

5:44

women don't realize that. So that

5:47

is the perimenopause, and

5:49

we have what we call menopausal

5:51

symptoms at those

5:53

stages. So the hot flashes, the weight

5:55

gain, the goodness

5:58

only knows what, like the tinnitus and the itchy

6:00

skin and the anxiety

6:03

and the mood changes. That's what's happening

6:05

in peri-menopause. And

6:07

commonly you'll be somewhere in your

6:10

mid forties, but

6:12

you could be 35. And of course, there are women

6:14

who have early menopause, so that

6:17

could be happening much earlier. Then

6:20

you go into menopause, and although we use that

6:22

as an encompassing term in

6:25

technically it is one

6:27

day, 12 months

6:30

after your last period. So

6:32

if you haven't had a period for

6:34

12 months, you can, and you don't have

6:36

one after that, then you've gone through

6:39

menopause and you are in

6:41

the next stage, which is post-menopause,

6:43

where you'll stay right to

6:45

the end of your days.

6:48

So that's really interesting because

6:52

I must be in the Perry. But anyway, Cause

6:54

I'm always like, it's gone. It's back again.

6:56

What is this? Anyway, I get very

6:58

excited and then disappointed quickly. But

7:01

that's really interesting to understand

7:03

though, this idea that it's one day, it's

7:05

just this year thing. And I

7:07

don't know about everybody else. I don't actually

7:09

know unless we get more mindful about

7:11

this individually

7:14

is would we know necessarily

7:16

if we've had it for a year and not a year?

7:18

We can be in Perry for years. Wendy,

7:21

some women are in Perry for three or four

7:23

years. Some women are in it for 15

7:25

and we don't know. There are lots of

7:27

different factors why

7:29

we could be there for 15 odd

7:31

years, but there we are. But

7:34

then menopause is this way,

7:36

and do we know that we've had one period

7:38

and haven't had one for another for since

7:40

12 months? Probably not. You suddenly go

7:42

somewhere and think, oh,

7:44

it's been a long time since I had a period,

7:47

and we probably don't mark the day,

7:49

to be honest. And we don't know. I think

7:52

a lot of us have drifted into the post-menopause

7:55

and then it's dawned on us. What

7:57

I would say is that in post-menopause,

8:00

your hormones are still declining.

8:03

Particularly your E your estron is

8:05

still going down and to its

8:07

resting different

8:09

form, which will be how your body

8:11

then produces small amounts

8:13

of sufficient estrogen for your body

8:16

to do its basic functions.

8:20

So let me ask you, while we're talking

8:22

about the scientific side of this so

8:25

in your experience,

8:28

because you hear a lot on the market,

8:30

like take all natural stuff for

8:33

hormonal changes, take medication. What's

8:35

the best thing for a woman who's

8:37

going through this to

8:40

do during this kind of

8:42

up and down as far as

8:44

the medication, non-medication

8:46

type of question.

8:47

Yeah, that's very individual,

8:49

Wendy. Each of us has the experience.

8:52

We have. My menopause perimenopause

8:55

doesn't look like yours. Doesn't look like the woman

8:57

who lives next door to me because we've

8:59

got lots of different factors.

9:03

And so it's not really we're in one camp

9:05

or another, and I push along

9:07

with a number of other people very hard against

9:10

this kind of binary approach because

9:12

it's not very helpful and

9:14

it's not realistic. There

9:16

are definitely women who

9:18

have a really difficult

9:21

time and hormone therapy

9:24

administered by a real clinician

9:27

with expert in this area is

9:30

I would say pretty non-optional for those people.

9:33

And there can be a range of reasons why

9:35

they're there, that can range from

9:37

past trauma to

9:40

their current medical conditions,

9:42

to genetics. We don't know

9:45

the whole makeup. On

9:47

the other hand, there are lots of women who are being

9:49

coerced and I would say even bullied and

9:51

shamed into taking medication they don't

9:53

need. And I think a good rule of thumb,

9:55

which is what we see in the North American.

9:58

British menopause, Australian menopause

10:00

and other societies around the

10:02

world is that the majority

10:04

of women should have the option

10:06

to have hormone therapy, but it isn't

10:09

essential for a lot of women.

10:12

But diet and lifestyle

10:15

and certain supplementation

10:18

will all make a huge impact.

10:20

If you eat badly and you don't move and

10:22

you don't sleep well, you are going to be well, whether

10:24

you're in perimenopause or not. let's

10:26

just, be open about that. But

10:29

we do need to think about supporting our

10:31

health and wellbeing differently. And

10:34

so there are some really good things

10:36

from the natural menopause world that we

10:38

can pull across, really

10:40

support us going through

10:43

this time of life. Well, and I think

10:45

it's this, making your own plan

10:47

is very important and being knowledgeable

10:50

is important. Your own knowledge.

10:52

And usually with doctors, that's what my thing is, your

10:54

body. So it's good for you to speak up either way.

10:57

So in your experience,

11:00

cuz you're just talking about what it would look like

11:02

to you versus somebody else would be different. What

11:04

sent you on a different path

11:06

when you're talking about your perimenopause experience?

11:09

Because I see your background and I'm

11:11

sure this is not what you did all your life.

11:13

So what was that happened?

11:16

I really had

11:18

a very difficult perimenopause

11:21

and there were lots of contributing factors. But when I

11:23

listed my symptoms the other day on Instagram,

11:25

people were going, oh my God, were you even alive?

11:28

But I had quite a lot of anxiety

11:31

and I have to say that I was someone who'd lived

11:33

with anxiety prior to that, and

11:36

then it really rarely reared

11:38

its head during

11:42

this time and I had some panic attacks.

11:45

I had heart palpitations

11:48

and my blood pressure was

11:51

off the Richter scale, and

11:54

eventually I had some incidences

11:56

at work and I realized that

11:58

I needed to look at the way I was living

12:01

and that was the

12:03

really the trigger point of

12:06

me changing

12:09

my lifestyle and that changing

12:11

my lifestyle led me

12:13

to wanting to change my

12:16

career direction. And

12:19

I became a mindfulness practitioner

12:21

and I found it incredibly

12:24

helpful to go to mindfulness because I realized,

12:26

first of all, I'm not the only person who has these

12:29

issues. And there was someone here

12:31

who listened to me. Now, Tim Goddard,

12:33

who ran that mindfulness training, was a

12:35

psychotherapist as well. So I'm

12:37

a big advocate of therapy, if that's what you

12:40

need, and it started

12:42

to change my relationship to

12:44

stress. And

12:46

I think when you are mindful, you then start thinking,

12:48

what's my diet look like? How

12:51

am I working out? And those things

12:53

led me to changing

12:56

the nutrition. I did. I worked with

12:58

a nutritionist. I started

13:00

to have acupuncture, which is how I got

13:03

into Chi, because my acupuncturist kept telling

13:05

me to go, and so I started to

13:07

put together things that work better for me.

13:09

And suddenly I was sleeping.

13:12

I'd lost weight. My

13:14

blood pressure came down to being very

13:17

normal. I have a very low dose medication,

13:20

not what the doctor prescribed, which was said,

13:22

you're gonna be on this and it'll go up for the rest of

13:24

your life instead. That's not true. And

13:27

I just felt happier and healthier, and

13:30

I'm really, I thought, I'm really over

13:32

corporate. I really can't do this anymore.

13:34

The stress and strain of this job, and

13:36

I wasn't enjoying it. And I think thats

13:39

possibly also what happens to us as women,

13:41

we stop enjoying corporate, we

13:43

start to see all the things that bug us

13:46

about it.

13:46

Yes, I agree with you. And I

13:49

left nonprofit. It was a corporate

13:51

ran nonprofit, so I understand that. I am

13:53

curious though, during this time that

13:56

you're going through all of. Are

13:58

you going to the doctors? Are they mentioning

14:00

that this could be it? Or are

14:02

you starting to do your own

14:05

research based on something's just not right

14:07

and it's getting worse?

14:09

Yeah. I did my own research.

14:11

That's how I came to, this is where

14:13

I'm at, this is what's happening to me. And by

14:15

that time I was working

14:18

with other women

14:20

and doing mindfulness space,

14:22

stress reduction and pain management,

14:24

them, and they were all talking. And

14:27

I'm thinking, they're like me.

14:29

What's going on? And then suddenly this

14:32

M word emerges. And I thought, now

14:35

that is what women are experiencing.

14:38

But my doctor, well, she gaslight

14:40

me most of the time, which is sadly

14:43

very true. And I think the latest statistic

14:45

I saw for the US was that 75%

14:48

of women will go to a doctor for help and

14:51

won't get any.

14:52

Wow. That's a large number of women in

14:54

the U.S. So, for

14:56

me, every time I go they're like, we'll do a blood

14:58

test. Your blood work is normal. This is all,

15:01

I always hear this, which is good. I'm a childhood

15:03

cancer survivor, so I always want my blood

15:05

to be into normal ranges. But

15:08

could you talk about that or have you experienced

15:10

this where normal still doesn't

15:12

feel normal to you? What they're seeing

15:15

on a lab report that does?

15:17

And learning how to listen to that, because

15:19

I think that's a big part of what we're talking about.

15:22

It is a big part. So firstly, let

15:24

me say very openly

15:26

that there is no test

15:29

for menopause and

15:33

though there are people selling you tests,

15:36

For a lot of money, they

15:38

will not definitively tell

15:40

you, you are in menopause and your blood

15:42

work might look perfectly

15:45

okay, but

15:47

you are still going through a hormonal

15:49

change. And the way we

15:51

measure that is through our symptoms.

15:54

So we will notice. That

15:57

you haven't slept. We might notice that

15:59

we've put on weight, but we're not eating

16:02

any more and we're not exercising

16:04

any less. We can feel tired,

16:07

we can feel anxious, so

16:09

we should be paying attention to the

16:11

symptoms and tracking

16:13

and monitoring those and

16:15

understanding sometimes why

16:17

something happens. So if

16:20

you've been drinking alcohol,

16:23

for example, you might notice

16:25

that you get an extra bad night's sleep

16:28

or you get very hot and flushed

16:31

if you suddenly out of nowhere

16:33

develop rosacea. Where's

16:36

that coming from? If you've never had it before,

16:40

or you suddenly feel very tender

16:42

in your body, notice those

16:44

things. When are they happening in the month?

16:47

Do they last? Are

16:49

they linked to food, drink, exercise,

16:51

stressful situations? And

16:53

those are the things you talk to a

16:55

qualified doctor who understands

16:58

this is what's happening to me. Could

17:01

I be in perimenopause? And

17:03

they usually will be able to answer yes,

17:05

no. And then do I need

17:08

help? Support what? Help support, can you

17:10

give me.

17:11

And that makes a lot of sense. And as you're talking

17:13

about those symptoms and a lot of them

17:16

more the physical things, but, how does that affect

17:18

that, that mental health piece,

17:20

that emotional piece during the para

17:24

menopause where you feel like you're like

17:27

going through, as you're talking about mindset, these

17:31

almost. I

17:33

don't know how to us to say it other than

17:35

you get really honest and you really

17:37

don't care. which I've

17:40

met those older people where you're like, oh my

17:42

gosh, they have no filter,

17:44

and you're kind of jealous. Because they're just.

17:47

Who they are now. But for those

17:49

people who are getting reactions around them because

17:52

they're going through these emotional ups

17:54

and downs, can you describe

17:56

what they may look like and what

17:58

really is happening to us during that time?

18:01

Yeah, sure, Wendy. Well, the first thing I

18:03

would say to anybody out there is a really

18:05

good thing I heard from a psychiatrist

18:07

was our brains are in menopause

18:10

five years before. Our bodies are so

18:13

whoa. We will experience

18:16

huge, measurable brain

18:18

changes because

18:21

of the changes in our hormones.

18:23

It the decline, fluctuation,

18:25

and decline of our hormones affects

18:28

our emotional regulation. Hence

18:30

why we get quite

18:33

outspoken. We can

18:35

feel very, we can become depressed

18:37

or anxious, and that's

18:39

a serious issue for women. Who

18:43

are experiencing that, and if that's

18:45

part of your history, then that needs to be taken

18:48

more care of. We

18:50

also get brain fog. And

18:52

I think that's one of, when we come to talk more about

18:55

entrepreneurs, that's one of the difficult

18:58

aspects when we can't remember.

19:00

We lose a lot of our verbalization

19:03

skills are cognitive,

19:06

skills are down and those

19:08

things. And so we have what I call psychological

19:11

distress going on that is impacting

19:14

our brain. Now, the good thing

19:17

on the other side is that it's temporary. And

19:20

what we are now seeing is that as

19:22

the hormones settle, our

19:24

brains do an upgrade. And

19:27

we become, far more

19:29

quick short circuit. We don't have all this

19:31

multitasking going on. A lot of those

19:33

things disappear and we do become

19:36

slightly outspoken and

19:38

maybe a little disagreeable at times. That probably

19:40

just means that we've stripped away all the

19:42

nice people pleasing that we've done way

19:45

too much of in our early years, and

19:47

now we can just be ourselves.

19:50

That's so funny that you mentioned the brain fog, because

19:53

I know for me, I'm like, that word

19:55

is there and I, oh, it's an

19:57

interesting little thing where you're like, I know the word.

20:00

I've used the word my whole entire life, and

20:02

suddenly it is not there it's

20:04

just gone and I've got a new word.

20:07

But it's good to talk about these things

20:09

and just for the same reason that we have the

20:11

show though, I like talking about this because

20:14

I think that what happens is there's women

20:17

in general, whether it's self-care and we think

20:19

we're being selfish, or we're having all

20:21

of this happen to our bodies and we're

20:23

like, are we going crazy? It's good

20:25

to have these conversations because what

20:27

happens is we go, oh,

20:30

this is really going on. It gives us

20:32

permission. To

20:34

really check in with ourselves and

20:36

say, this is what this is.

20:38

I'm not going crazy. I'm

20:41

having these things, and now I can take some

20:43

steps to help it. but as far as female

20:45

entrepreneurship, what are the

20:47

signs and symptoms that it's affecting

20:49

their work and mindset, because I think

20:51

that's what happens is, we go, I can't

20:53

get this much done. What else could happen there?

20:56

So I think the brain fog is a

20:58

huge one. And we touched because

21:01

it isn't, oh, I've lost my keys.

21:04

It really is. I come to a

21:06

meeting and you think, oh,

21:09

I can't remember this person's name. Oh

21:11

hell. and that's a customer that's an important

21:14

client. I haven't got a clue

21:16

what this person's called, and I've met them x,

21:19

y, Z times. It's

21:21

when we stand up to present.

21:24

The words go, nothing comes out

21:27

and you look like an idiot. Many

21:29

women can talk about struggling

21:32

to take on complex

21:34

projects that were a

21:36

walk in the park. We

21:39

just don't seem to be able

21:41

to fit the bits together. Oh.

21:44

And suddenly my diary is triple booked

21:46

for some reason, and I turned up to the

21:48

wrong meeting in the wrong place.

21:50

And these things are significant,

21:53

especially when we're running our own businesses

21:56

because people start to think you're incompetent.

21:58

And then you are a bit moody and a bit short. You've

22:00

got a red mist, you could end up saying the wrong

22:03

thing. Even though you

22:05

may not mean to do that, you might snap

22:07

at somebody. So it is

22:09

very stressful from

22:12

a mental health perspective when you're an entrepreneur

22:14

and these things are happening to you.

22:17

And so, and to get into solutions.

22:20

What are some first steps

22:22

that we can start if we're like, if

22:24

we've just listened to all of this and we're like,

22:27

oh, I have that and that, and

22:29

that, what are some first steps to get the

22:31

right type of help? Because again, if you

22:33

say 75% of the people

22:35

are going to doctors and not getting the care

22:38

they need, where do they go?

22:41

Yeah, good. Good question, Wendy.

22:43

I think the first thing is go

22:45

to a reputable website.

22:48

Lovely. As social is, I'm sorry.

22:51

It is just a myth and you won't

22:54

know how to weave your way through what's

22:56

true and what's not. If you are in the US,

22:58

go to the North American Menopause

23:00

Society website. The

23:03

information on there is correct.

23:06

and you can use that as

23:08

a stepping off platform to

23:10

talk to your clinician.

23:14

I had no idea that even existed. So

23:16

thank you for that lovely resource.

23:18

Yeah. And they're having their conference right

23:20

now. Some very interesting things they're talking

23:23

about and similar, if you are listening

23:25

from this, in other countries, there are similar

23:27

societies, but the thing is

23:29

go there and do that. And then

23:31

if you've been, like we said earlier, tracking what's

23:34

going. That's the case.

23:36

If you get, pushed away,

23:39

you are one of the nice 75%.

23:41

Then find a clinician

23:43

that is, registered as a menopause

23:45

expert. You should be able to find one. And

23:48

go or even ring the society

23:51

and say, who is registered, who's

23:53

been trained by you to be

23:55

a menopause expert? And they

23:57

may put you in contact. Generally,

23:59

I'd say not your everyday healthcare

24:01

provider. We love general practitioners,

24:03

but they are exactly that. They're frontline.

24:06

Find an O B G Y N

24:09

who is trained in menopause

24:11

and go and have a conversation.

24:15

I would also say there are good

24:17

resources of other things. The

24:19

societies will also list other

24:21

things that can be good. They may give you some

24:23

leads into nutrition

24:26

into what you should be

24:28

doing, exercise. So

24:30

you should, if you want to do a more natural

24:33

menopause, then I highly recommend

24:35

looking at Marion Stewart's book,

24:38

the Natural Menopause. It's her 28th

24:40

book. I think a million people have bought it

24:42

and she really lays out a

24:44

very nice program on

24:47

nutrition, exercise, and rest.

24:49

That's helped like I said, almost you

24:51

know, hundred thousands of women to,

24:54

to actually do something. You can do that yourself

24:57

or you can get help from people who are similar

24:59

like her or similar. If you go to my podcast,

25:01

there are a lot of people who are really

25:03

well trained and qualified who can support

25:05

you on the lifestyle side.

25:10

and then manages stress,

25:12

because that is a big factor

25:15

here, which is where someone like myself

25:17

is very involved, is like manage your

25:19

stress because stress dials up

25:22

every symptom. Stress symptoms

25:24

look just like menopause

25:26

symptoms. So, it's really

25:28

get clinician help. You might

25:30

get hormone therapy, you might not, but

25:33

at least you've spoken to someone who can work

25:35

with you, get the help you

25:37

need from functional integrative

25:39

approaches that can help

25:41

you to feel better. And

25:44

the big thing is if there's no quick fix,

25:46

there's no panacea, but there

25:48

are ways that you put together

25:51

a little sort of package that works for you.

25:54

Thank you so much. This has been

25:56

fabulous. I'm so glad you came on the show. You have

25:58

no idea. I also know that you have an

26:00

offer for our guests, so if you want to

26:02

let them know what that is, that would be fantastic.

26:05

I do, I have a little ebook called

26:08

Beat Your Brain Fog, which I thought was

26:10

very apt for us. And it just

26:12

lays out some little beginning

26:15

starter approaches that are

26:17

tried and tested, for

26:19

ways that you can support yourself if

26:21

you are having those moments when you're thinking

26:23

well. I don't remember anything,

26:26

and we are getting upset about it too. That's the

26:28

important thing, so that we can take

26:30

small baby steps to being

26:32

in control of this.

26:36

I know I will be downloading this as somebody

26:38

I will self submit on the show that

26:40

over the last four months I have left

26:42

my purse or my phone or

26:45

my keys in a car at the

26:47

grocery store. And thank God

26:49

I live in the best town ever, cuz every time

26:51

I go back it's there. All of it is there

26:53

and I am like, How did I

26:56

do this? Because I put it down and I'm

26:58

like, okay. And there I go.

27:00

It's better than my story where I lost

27:02

my car in a huge car park in Sydney

27:05

and the park. I couldn't remember which floor and I had

27:08

a trolley with Ikea stuff. And

27:10

a very, very miserable 10 year

27:12

old with me

27:14

I've been very fortunate. So I'll be reading

27:16

that myself. So thank you for that, please

27:20

let people know what your website is

27:22

and how they can contact you and,

27:24

that would be great.

27:25

Thank you, Wendy. Well, you

27:27

can contact me through

27:29

my website, which is my name, clarissakristjansson.com.

27:35

And you can also follow me on Instagram,

27:37

but I'm also on LinkedIn. Instagram

27:40

was the same name as my podcast,

27:42

which is Thriving through Menopause. And I

27:44

have a lot of resources on that podcast. We've

27:47

had four seasons and about

27:49

nearly 200 people

27:51

and a lot of them talking about managing

27:54

your menopause from different

27:56

angles.

27:57

That is incredible. So yes, go

27:59

listen to that, especially if you're going through this.

28:01

I think it'll be super helpful. Thank you.

28:04

I wanna thank you so much for coming on the show

28:06

again. It has been a delightful conversation.

28:09

I'm sure a lot of my listeners will

28:11

get a lot out of this.

28:12

Thank you so much, Wendy, for having me. And

28:14

I really hope listeners out there, you take

28:16

heart. You know it does end

28:19

and you can get help to get through

28:21

it. No one has to suffer this journey.

28:24

Thank you. For my listeners

28:26

we will be back again soon. In the meantime,

28:29

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28:34

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