Why are you so busy? Author Katherine May and Jane Lindsay of creative community Snapdragon Life talk to Viv Groskop about using busy-ness as anaesthetic, as distraction, as armour. They talk about making a business built on connection, not consumerism. They talk about drawing strength and purpose from times of difficulty. They talk about hibernating dormice, swimming in ice cubes and taking life advice from seagulls.

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Katherine's book, Wintering: How I learned to flourish when life became frozen is out now.

You can find out more about Jane's community at Snapdragon Life.

Viv's books, including Au Revoir Tristesse: Lessons in Happiness from French Literature and Lift As You Climb: Women and the Art of Ambition are also out now.

Music is by Liam Grundy

Design is by Sean Brightman.