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i went to so what's causing

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lay on around me and now

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wow manner

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oh you know just for just a stabilizing

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backbone of of

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the outfit ah near the

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the sort of mentor and him and dare

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i say like yeah

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beloved uncle figure out

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, him i think that's

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that's basically that's mess with them as wife

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you know and that's that's really good to the throw

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that i say about you people asked me renata what's

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your job like and i say well every day i go in

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and there's but there there the

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classic beloved uncle away point rob

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daphne very bad guy in the the nickel

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get a lead this leave this for company

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into into a variety

2:44

of campaigns with

2:46

with diverse outcome how

2:49

they me on that journey patrick robert

2:51

never saw the pacific spanner brothers oh my

2:54

all time favorite shows the

2:56

by them pacific was kind of

2:58

next and i just never then never got around

3:00

to it but i feel bags i've heard is actually better than

3:03

them of the reception a got when it came out

3:05

the bishop of interesting is what i will say

3:07

i think it has some of the highest highs like

3:09

just for this point where if like

3:12

the red line late like levels

3:14

of bleakness and existential

3:16

horror about way a campaign that has no

3:18

coherence ah just like combat

3:22

without context and violence

3:24

who are meeting there's times where if i really gun

3:27

that stuff but the premises synthesizing like

3:29

two or three different works a

3:31

i die so resuming of resuming of the characters

3:33

like characters whole reason they my brother to so special is because

3:36

liked it yesterday scenarios whatever it

3:38

is an incredibly shot but like the characters

3:41

were so we're i feel your

3:43

wasn't like saving private ryan the tv show i get

3:45

the same as , be

3:47

over with a producer on both but a dozen

3:49

rematch forte as like that's what would get me

3:51

to finally watch but if the great question it

3:54

feels like i'd i don't think the habit

3:57

they got blu ray releases by

3:59

it right

4:00

canada

4:03

the i didn't doesn't look

4:05

like a this happened to that would

4:07

be my about is up to finally go watch that

4:09

was like okay if okay if on want to show

4:12

the good capital of a that band of brothers magic maybe

4:14

maybe least a fork as a oval china

4:17

will then so the world

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the also joined of course by lower price

4:24

ran are you also refreshing ah

4:26

hi def digests on

4:29

to see a civic and band of brothers

4:31

coming on forecast

4:33

you know i can't i can't

4:35

that that's what i've been the thought that that's what

4:37

have been refreshing as a blade

4:39

i don't know i am a merge site economically

4:42

back right

4:43

that's like really dvd era

4:46

right

4:50

you did have a to find the db

4:52

beer but it does feel like band of brothers with

4:54

another one of those like us ever get

4:56

that segolene that same i think that they have like

4:59

four star yes for sure by

5:04

the i feel like and for some reason

5:06

that i think we have the same year the

5:10

fellowship of the ring i feel i came out that same

5:12

fall as band of brothers and

5:14

fathers rights instant purchases

5:16

for a dvd like

5:19

the in in subsequent years and

5:21

i'm we ever got banned rose on rose

5:23

on ray idea i now i watched it

5:25

but i do i didn't like it i don't

5:27

get in my dvd set just because i

5:30

madeleine intend to every watching it but his

5:32

i just but but one of my all time favorite

5:34

watches his band of brothers of the f b

5:37

i was one of the thing or like on a flash sale and

5:39

like you always for twenty five bucks like yeah okay

5:41

sir fine

5:43

yeah i i

5:46

how i watch it so much like in college

5:48

that i am felt the need to casually one of the

5:50

things that people that had on all the time and

5:52

watch that with with cry over

5:55

my see and band of brothers with guys like

5:57

i'll say goodbye to each other ah

5:59

let's yeah let's get real

6:01

fucked up over

6:04

the bike the one

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where

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nearly done his character

6:10

see like bill garnier you hit by a

6:12

sounds it has his final like breaking

6:14

point in the episode helpfully titled

6:17

breaking point ah

6:19

the i think then said that they made it clear

6:21

to everybody now

6:23

is also a yes and let me tell you there's

6:25

another episode called crossroads and

6:28

let , tell you where the combat

6:30

of that is that occurs and where the characters

6:33

find themselves metaphorically

6:35

in that episode powerful

6:38

fucking show the euro all the savoy have

6:40

club i'm always amazed a bad

6:42

as i said that the average bolland drama

6:45

rules and exactly any melodrama

6:47

fucking with it's so good it's

6:50

so good and fun

6:51

when well executed the

6:54

it were coming off a long weekend here and

6:56

i'm hoping we'll found time to get on

6:59

our bullshit one thing i didn't like

7:01

to this point one thing

7:03

thing this weekend edition

7:05

to watching from atheists which

7:08

i got li ended the vacation freeman said well

7:10

i'll a while probably my last year and

7:12

a sunday scary stuff new blocked

7:17

what ah unnerving the sir

7:20

i do for a side project right of the had was

7:22

saying private ryan would i have seen in

7:24

like that we can

7:26

fifteen years in part because like that's a movie

7:28

this is one of those things where i feel like there's a hurdle

7:30

yeah to get over it and it really like

7:33

some and me am i m m i

7:35

n the same private ryan had space

7:38

like , i'm has they see the alma b c

7:40

and would just as universe as a visceral

7:43

introduction i yeah

7:46

, , were like the medic bleeding out

7:48

while everyone's like trying to save only do

7:50

a lot of stuff man looking for his legs on

7:52

the beach jesus christ yeah

7:55

, old grandmas the phonics

7:57

it's out as amusing around

7:59

red lights were them like that

8:02

when the troops run into a prepared position

8:04

of is preceded by german artillery

8:07

mail you're fucked up i think it's a good

8:09

as a silly

8:12

the great men really sad

8:14

we i'm germans are driven off i beat soon

8:16

as i am i ,

8:18

say that like know the received

8:20

a mass was doing so good that that

8:24

so strike was strike listen

8:27

yeah and said he says he did a really

8:30

good kd like good

8:32

like people on the beach emplacements were

8:34

doing well spielberg new this

8:38

a number when i was it's weird the director's

8:41

cut actually does have

8:43

a your kill town or running

8:45

, running lower laugh when

8:49

and determines unlock an airstrike was and

8:52

eisenhower cancel with it's

8:54

it's with weird it's bother odd

8:56

for that movie for me is when

8:58

private ryan is saved private the very

9:00

end in his last one standing and then he goes number

9:03

one victory royale yeah fortnight

9:05

were about to get down get sounds until from

9:07

the board right now and then he looks around

9:09

him he looks at the counter in the bottom right them

9:11

directors gotten he goes away fuck it

9:13

was actually the forty three

9:15

the military and

9:18

the media ever did put those

9:20

the going rate you know he took a son that he

9:22

t so

9:23

that he did you any through coward i

9:25

know oh yeah oh yeah i grew up in i'm sad

9:27

know i'm a parent fuck off spielberg wow

9:32

wouldn't , want people to think of carry

9:34

guns guns even free and threateningly

9:37

ah miss isn't it great mates

9:39

in of our it's ah it's

9:42

yes i am i watching that and

9:45

you know it's or them at the precursor

9:47

to ban brothers but

9:49

it was is one of the things were oh

9:51

god of the other than twitter it's like what

9:55

he was with jaws was a movie i watched the first

9:57

time in ages the started pandemic that was kind

9:59

of the men for for a situation lot

10:01

of us ran

10:02

and i do feel like still is one of

10:04

those guys very such a popular

10:07

artists that's easy to forget how socially

10:09

constructed these workers because

10:12

they just become like trophy right

10:14

that's why i you know like to give the you know

10:16

i it's we ever know the scenes the get referenced

10:18

ah they they've been or highlights for delson

10:21

of the movies became the come along and and ripper stuff

10:23

off later been of lesser imitators

10:25

but then you actually like a watch a spielberg work

10:27

in contact see the whole thing york it

10:30

is a really fine line this

10:32

dude consistently walk between being like

10:35

the spent four scary like

10:38

that touching and

10:41

also have veto

10:44

kind of and bleak and says

10:46

or it's a real it's a real juggling

10:49

act he pulls off love his home and

10:51

same program is one i've forgotten just

10:53

how much more complicated that movie

10:56

is and lot of ways than what i remember

10:58

which was basically a stephen ambrose like

11:00

ra ra we love the terps movie i mean

11:02

like i think that it's very easy for like

11:04

high sabbatical films too

11:08

letting people have a tendency to a mistake

11:10

subtlety for deaths and

11:13

and kind of treat like high special films as inherently

11:16

shallow and i think that think

11:18

that of that like and up hitting like

11:20

spielberg who does make a lot of high spectacle

11:22

films ah

11:25

yeah

11:27

yeah it and i we were i'm is true

11:29

and and , think to it

11:31

to be fairly it's it's one of those things where

11:33

watch him of as like that that might actually be a little

11:36

more salty hear them than i remember

11:38

but it's in part because that

11:40

makes some of the masses that film get

11:42

got really lost like on lost

11:44

like

11:46

because

11:48

that we just gets her seamlessly woven

11:50

into a lot like greatest generation retrospective

11:53

stuff and we fair he invites that

11:55

with those from corney intro

11:57

an outhouse sequences that book and the film

12:00

but but like us who are moving

12:03

towards more of it's about like hey

12:05

this is

12:06

entirely

12:08

movie about like people being

12:10

afraid like losing their humanity ah

12:13

in a war and we see like our

12:15

heroes doing a lot of generally

12:17

horrible stuff and and really becoming harder than some

12:19

of the way this is not however

12:21

that movie ah you know i remember being

12:23

a lot more like with these men went through

12:26

for our freedom a ,

12:28

awesome movie and it's lot like well you

12:30

guys are arguing had the whibley sadistic ah

12:33

at this point lights in the last i saw

12:35

and movie i was so young i to emulate i

12:37

saw that movie that would

12:39

they have a movie because well

12:42

they were made him a war movie time

12:45

to go see that in the theater to you like

12:47

jurassic park right in order me like he was he

12:49

was he was during that period when he was so

12:51

we're doing some pretty interesting swings between

12:54

the spectacle work and now

12:57

i'm using this list is the same era i

12:59

could just add yeah he was you

13:01

use of capital to do the

13:03

really sending them like walked in incredibly

13:06

fine line as a filmmaker and almost

13:08

is is because i think you can see the tension between him wanting

13:11

to you know lot of his work

13:13

he wants to be two different kinds of filmmaker

13:15

and they get can attract and are the blockbuster

13:17

stuff but you don't does really cool stuff even

13:20

though he's making things meant for like a really

13:23

white tent have an audience

13:26

you

13:27

calcium in pull it up right now but a

13:29

matthew wise is a a

13:32

i think professor think y u and

13:34

as written some stuff for us a florida

13:36

resident evil piece for a while ago but he but the

13:39

only piece was a negative review

13:42

from the time that was also

13:45

ah server joy interview between this and

13:47

this and i had forgotten completely the

13:49

that that it existed a small soldiers

13:52

that are too many about the upper arm

13:55

ship who's in that ah it's

13:57

that ah a kids movie bit by during my joe dante

14:00

right who's responsible for

14:03

gremlins ah

14:05

i'm on to a bunch of other stuff and

14:07

force it's not come out time ahead but there's

14:09

base and about like he did met may a

14:12

i have yet to get up get a phone run

14:14

and damn the most

14:16

voters are supposed to beep and of kirchner

14:18

ride on with the pieces about as a sense like it's

14:20

way more interesting than how it was marketed

14:23

as i get through a kids' toys i look

14:25

at the like it's i got not tom hanks

14:28

for that in or had like a movie named

14:30

after is essential i you know

14:32

characters and activists more going on the

14:34

surface of small rioters disservice by jonathan

14:36

rosenbaum and and so a pretty negative

14:38

reviews of , arrived

14:41

i guess i hadn't realized this that like

14:43

these release the you're from the same window but

14:46

i guess also joe dante was basically

14:48

sponsored professionally by spielberg for

14:51

a lot of his career and is one

14:53

of the arguments here is that like if

14:56

you look for a place where spielberg's more

14:59

critical conscience exists ah

15:01

like apart from his work as a filmmaker it's

15:03

in sponsoring these movies that and so many ways

15:06

are like

15:07

kind of

15:08

dark reverses

15:10

, like the spielberg a

15:12

and works yeah that the can responding to

15:15

to so small soldiers yeah was marketed

15:17

as a whole it's voice these these

15:19

toys are coming life i'm a getting up to

15:21

all sorts of highjinks and with

15:23

gets lost in that is these

15:26

toys or a metaphor for the united

15:28

states military and their role

15:30

in of violence or that

15:33

that like a he he voce live voce

15:36

colonial ah like i'm

15:38

like of american conception

15:40

of itself and power ah

15:42

and like they're actually like

15:45

a new of code borderline a horror movie

15:47

right in there there there to hunt down this

15:49

other set of toys and i can

15:51

believe forgotten that like that movie exists

15:53

was really it was really interesting

15:56

when the research same have ryan was

15:59

was it is work so ah the

16:02

the title of the article is

16:04

cutting hair as down the size of

16:06

muscle years him hi ryan and it's by jonathan

16:08

rosenbaum a really interesting

16:10

critical read not as a really interesting the

16:13

way of doing criticism like you'd

16:15

like the the

16:18

are going to the format that existed largely

16:20

because of newspapers not weeklies and

16:23

like like magazines were

16:25

you have in one way

16:27

out multiple reviews but sometimes you play

16:29

around this idea of hi

16:32

the to reviews together the

16:34

and this is a really excellent

16:37

pressure

16:38

if you perform that like has extremely

16:40

fallen out of favor but occasionally confused and video essays

16:42

video essays do this specific structure

16:45

a lot actually of the interweaving

16:47

of of to particular like media

16:49

objects like in properties of one another i think of

16:51

her of really cool like

16:53

formal tricky condemn

16:55

the i've

16:57

there you see what fallen out you know the is

16:59

is in the make any sense rightly that is a

17:01

form of those perfect sense to like the

17:03

is a goal medium of like a newspaper

17:06

or magazine but the minutes everything everything is a

17:08

separate you are owl and can be sort

17:10

of the hived off like that ah

17:12

use easy bless

17:14

utility for it and

17:16

, does require some real creativity

17:19

of to make these things fallen dialogue neatly

17:21

like this but it was that was that my that

17:23

was my we him suffer the sub some games

17:26

games else get get really down

17:28

a rabbit home that we pretty spooky

17:30

boy up the ah the sweet voice app arm

17:33

i can had ah isn't

17:36

the murders of jackson bones and the and

17:38

the front yard has been a like a dash you'd

17:40

like to point the really really heartwarming like

17:42

we have people coming i

17:44

from all over the neighborhood it like

17:46

i've been recognized twice as i hate your the

17:48

clown was walking my dog and like your

17:51

you the one with them to the skeleton and

17:53

and the gas is i have

17:55

located my two boys come by later today in take

17:57

a picture in front of the guess i'm like yeah

17:59

of course

17:59

it is really neat like the

18:02

have this like little like it has

18:04

brought a lot of people a lot of joy ah

18:06

in that is a cool thing and

18:08

i'm in part of that is because it's big

18:10

in the spectacle another part is because it's the

18:13

timber seventh arms and

18:15

the and although the stores baby converting

18:17

to halloween people's yards haven't haven't quite

18:19

done that and so it's just the i you know kind

18:21

of noteworthy that zuma front lawn but it is

18:24

i it has been worth every every bit of a three hundred

18:26

dollars has been worth we had

18:28

a giant ah soccer tournament down

18:30

the street and so are the streets were just all

18:32

lined with people over labor day weekend

18:34

like the us i mean on both

18:36

sides of the three people go in an hour in and out and

18:39

that usually try and get outta town the

18:41

do it he called the that weekends if it makes just

18:43

getting around the neighborhood a nightmare but we just happen to be in town

18:45

this weekend and of the ike every

18:48

night life would be watching t v and you

18:50

would just hear people

18:51

the delaying ah next the

18:53

the jackson bones and so alvin very image

18:56

very cool i like i could not be happier in fact

18:58

out done is now started to pick

19:00

up my

19:01

that an impulse to wyoming jackson you the

19:03

family like what else can i put out there

19:06

the

19:07

the him i'm quite fit the problem is so many things

19:09

pillow mean things that the equally

19:11

match jack and spectacle are not meant

19:13

for the outdoors ah something

19:15

them for the in the be indoors like there's a

19:18

cargo does have this like doing

19:21

banjo set up as these two

19:23

the doors that talk to each other and

19:25

play music and it's awesome i would get into bunch of times

19:28

it would be really hilarious to have that next to

19:30

us and by julie benz or yeah yeah

19:32

yeah it's great and have is like these you

19:34

know done know done they they sit back and

19:36

forth at each other but a gorilla

19:39

for highjinks of deliver in mississippi

19:42

i was speaking of yes figure pulsar objects

19:45

that like lose their meaning overtime ah

19:49

ah and overtime but

19:51

it's not enough for the endorse i get a taste

19:53

survive the the rain but yeah that is

19:55

but lot of his me lot like slowly

19:57

picking my head over my couch so

19:59

i can see the key things are happening

20:01

with discard them but also not trying not to make anyone

20:03

feel bad then i'm looking for

20:05

say you know as much as i want to see the the

20:08

delightful family interact as answer the want people to

20:10

feel like i'm holding them for

20:12

any lived up a sign of like i'm okay

20:14

with you interacting with this we have pattern

20:17

on the ring train oh no

20:19

i'm no i'm unsettled about the

20:21

skeleton and the joy is brian your life

20:23

yes yes me too

20:29

yeah i

20:31

those is it is a good

20:33

break and i'm like i don't know how

20:35

it is where you are patrick

20:37

like i feel like this last weekend's been very

20:39

first like he's

20:42

a little bit of autumn in the air out here and

20:44

on the east end is like william

20:47

so parched for fall and

20:49

so am i know my i ll

20:51

you see it like the minute you love

20:53

your manners severe to take an amount

20:56

the idea the a vagina and

20:58

, go up here we go

21:00

is i got athena being a labour

21:02

day broadly for rob is finally the

21:04

sweaters around see you know maybe a couple

21:06

hundred as you for a couple of silly days you get weirdly

21:09

in august that like you can congenital heart and

21:11

will answer as they out yeah in case you

21:13

need to throw an extra layer but but

21:15

this was the first are actually knights of the

21:17

sweaters didn't tell didn't with came

21:19

out was the like really

21:23

warm ah like the sweatpants

21:26

the or gotham ones that are like a

21:28

slightly denser net and a

21:30

little bag year so that you enough

21:32

in that like little warm pocket around

21:34

yourself it's like perfect and ah

21:37

sahm like that's that's that's

21:39

real good especially in

21:41

in my apartment because

21:44

the for whom how by

21:46

, controlled their thermal layers

21:48

and so like down from

21:50

like the mid thigh

21:52

down your feet it's considerably

21:55

cooler down there them this is like

21:57

the hottest where the rest of you is side

22:00

and so you'll have days where it's like you or

22:02

your legs a cold and eighty and also

22:04

you're handling sweltering ah by

22:06

the collar needed very it's very annoying

22:09

but it does make a perfect for ah

22:11

three on brand clothes like that

22:15

though look

22:17

at what ricotta because we we we are few days

22:19

off our and there was some the

22:21

real news that unfolded over the over

22:24

the last week really feeling it crescendo fast

22:26

or the in the last week and and

22:28

into this weekend path

22:30

you want he wants hot about like what

22:33

has gone on and the current status

22:36

of of you know the

22:39

right wing hate site are kiwi farm yeah

22:42

so in the past couple of days cloud

22:44

slayer which essentially provides

22:47

like dds a support

22:49

for websites was essentially you can try and

22:51

bring down a site with fake traffic

22:53

by having bots just overwhelm a

22:56

website it's a very common thing

22:58

in earlier times in the internet where was is very

23:00

easy to bring down a lot of web sites and you

23:03

know organizations know organizations flair have been pretty

23:06

important for like the stable foundation

23:08

of the modern internet and

23:10

, and to that degree cause player has has done

23:12

a lot of good in making bumps isis

23:14

more reliable unless i target

23:17

by you know groups you you

23:19

easily used to take them down but ah

23:23

they were also giving a lot of protect they were getting protection

23:25

for the web sites

23:28

like kiwi farms in the past corsair

23:30

has also been under ah criticism

23:34

for hosting hm

23:36

are protecting rather h an end of

23:38

the daily stormer to right

23:40

wing he played some to cross whole spectrum

23:43

of hates are and ah they

23:45

were this would agree sick

23:47

or send out with ah a

23:49

trans or streamer

23:51

on twitch are popularly

23:53

goes by couples are clever serenity

23:56

ah and

23:57

camels by by you know

23:59

and i didn't know had not really heard of

24:02

couples prior to to this incident but it kind of became

24:04

popular eyes from my understanding by doing

24:06

a very good job of dunking on conservatives

24:09

and libertarians weirdos like

24:11

destiny who was also was very popular

24:14

twitch streamer who was like was d debate

24:16

me bro crowd friend to just something

24:18

you wanted to

24:19

they are on and

24:22

levels was as many ah

24:24

trans people are had experience through

24:26

i can be farms and became a target

24:29

give arms over the years with its

24:31

history dates back you know ten

24:33

fifteen years ah is

24:36

essentially repository for doc thing

24:38

they , individual threads at this on this

24:40

place that are meant to categorize

24:43

personal information about individuals

24:46

that is it that the site has decided

24:48

to target those , are

24:50

numerous they include yours

24:54

truly i only

24:56

feel comfortable saying this because decided

24:58

at least down right now the like have received things

25:01

in the mail my wife has been harassed

25:03

normally don't talk about these things because

25:05

all you get when you talk about kiwi

25:07

farms is that

25:09

the linger on you longer and

25:11

so i was campaigns are pulled that was one the real

25:14

through lines is that like even

25:16

within by

25:18

journalists the outfits that cover ah

25:21

yeah if

25:23

like me toward the hate be the extremism be

25:25

the up ah there's been a real reticence

25:28

to stay on kiwi farms in

25:30

part because one they

25:32

appear to be bulletproof like nothing are anathema line

25:34

and to the

25:36

like swarming reaction from

25:39

their forum you anyone

25:41

who sort of raise the profile

25:43

to criticize it meant that

25:46

like the risk and reward

25:48

just in terms of like personal danger

25:50

ah you exposing you southern families who

25:52

was not worth and that became like semi official guidance

25:55

to a lot of people working in the space was

25:59

the

25:59

that probably not worth getting

26:02

into because the route

26:04

like ah reporting on

26:06

is probably not going to change anything but it

26:08

will change your life yes and and

26:10

and i manage a long history of not as

26:12

targeting individuals but specifically targeting

26:15

people close to those individuals in

26:17

there are a surrounding social orbits

26:20

family and friends because that was one

26:22

of the more effective ways to apply silencing

26:25

the pressure on people as to

26:27

have your rhetoric comment

26:30

you know have have

26:32

the world impacts on on the people in your

26:34

lives at it that a great way to get people to shut the fuck

26:36

out but i can i can i can attest to it it is

26:38

it is a great way the

26:40

not say anything about that site in the hopes

26:42

that ah they they won't continue

26:45

our poking around god and just

26:47

debate voters the term

26:50

your income aleppo of a lot

26:53

or only right wing extremism and

26:55

seek release for way of theme of the stuff as

26:57

idea like us to cast a terrorism which

27:00

is that

27:03

not necessarily people are calling

27:06

for direct action

27:08

type stuff like stuff like to or

27:10

you should like go and

27:12

like dude is horrible thing this person

27:14

but this is idea of you

27:16

create a repository

27:18

for lot of actionable data a man

27:21

you speak about it in

27:23

terms that are inflammatory but not

27:25

necessarily directly like direct

27:28

incitement

27:29

the man

27:31

what do you know like a bunch of horrible

27:33

and dangerous things happen around

27:35

that rhetoric but

27:38

you can't say that like a place

27:40

like this is a place where

27:42

this kind of ras mint is organized

27:45

or insiders all people here are

27:47

doing is giving you all the information

27:49

you need to carry out

27:52

like , campaigns or are

27:54

violent attacks attacks then

27:56

sort of proclaiming loudly how

27:58

much they wish

27:59

like that happened to these targets

28:02

that the they've identified and carefully

28:04

created like encyclopedic

28:06

knowledge of their lives and their connections

28:09

or innocence or that or that think we the

28:11

fig leaf a lot like extremist communities

28:14

i behind and also kind of a fig

28:16

leaf that

28:17

blair was certainly happy to hide behind

28:20

for a long time most i left was

28:22

right is it any less beach yeah oh

28:24

no but it's nice the

28:27

a without any in a regulatory agency

28:30

without any law enforcement agency the

28:32

outdated following up on this is it leaves

28:35

abuses in a place where people are then directing

28:37

their interest if he did he believe these places

28:40

should exist or should or should be

28:42

taken down is directing your attention

28:44

towards with a call at the internet's that

28:46

the different different plays that allows that there are sorta

28:48

like the foundational parts of what make the be mater

28:50

or network i am what camels there

28:53

was the opposite of what most

28:55

you know what with the opposite of what i do have looked like

28:57

a pretty much anyone else it has like come in contact

28:59

with kiwi farms is they said no

29:02

who died in know why

29:04

i the i am going to stare you in the eye

29:07

and turn this into the

29:09

reverse i am going to target

29:11

you we are going to take down your

29:14

website and that saying that is one

29:17

thing two people have tried

29:19

campaigns against give you sometimes i

29:21

couples is not the first like this is it

29:23

it of

29:24

you know

29:25

they gotta prove more successful but it is not

29:27

the first person that has said we should take this website

29:29

down what was a kind of became the perfect

29:31

storm and i think part of this is because of the exists

29:34

and things like twitch where you can very rapidly

29:36

create communities that

29:39

can man do it in the same

29:41

way the cleavers in our does office

29:44

in a way trying to incite hi

29:46

def by suicide and and and

29:48

others are some for our but are potential actions is

29:51

you can mobilise people very very quickly ah

29:53

museum things like by twitch and so what

29:55

apple did was like organize hash tags and

29:58

begin ah talking to new the

30:00

let's and specifically started identifying

30:02

what is allowing

30:03

the reforms to exist and it turns out it was

30:06

basically the fact that all player

30:08

was protecting them ah

30:11

and giving an all these are different

30:13

there have like internet mobile service protection

30:15

ah that it affords do lots

30:18

of website the deserve their protection but this one is like

30:20

the the actually we don't have it there's no

30:22

internet cop and so unfortunately yes

30:25

maybe in an ideal world you don't have this

30:27

part of the internet fact being asked to

30:29

make content moderation i don't know that

30:31

necessarily it this is an ideal but

30:33

the end of the day the only thing keeping kiwi

30:35

farms operational

30:37

the this and if you flipped it off

30:39

it doesn't turn key it doesn't make

30:41

you ever go away but neither

30:43

ha didn't go away the daily stormer

30:45

didn't go away but they essentially are like

30:48

banished to the deep like the dark web

30:50

and you have to jump to enormous hoops in order

30:52

to get to them and that

30:54

is essentially a fork like the closest we can

30:56

get tied trudy platforming on the minor

30:58

internet and i cloud cover

31:00

i essentially tried to i argue

31:03

they shouldn't be in this position might they

31:05

put out a blog post a week ago saying actually

31:08

when we took kinda canada by my ass within eighteen

31:10

and daily stormer like i don't know maybe that

31:12

wasn't there i call and would seem to be setting up that

31:15

they wouldn't take action on this but ah

31:17

the and i dementia they published opposed to essentially

31:20

said

31:21

what you're talking about rob were

31:23

a lot of these communities these hateful communities

31:25

rely on suggestion innuendo

31:29

but not direct action

31:31

well

31:32

the couple did was essentially

31:34

right these people crazy and

31:37

of like when pinned into a corner

31:39

and so like they were finally

31:42

the corner and animals with they did was

31:44

overreact and they started taking direct

31:46

actions they started writing down that

31:49

they were going to be bomb threats called

31:51

and you know like they started doing the sorts of things

31:54

that is normally the cover for these places

31:56

and that ended up being their undoing end up being

31:59

the

31:59

the

32:01

the application cause they are used for

32:03

ultimately we're moving or their protections

32:05

and essentially driving grief

32:07

arms or off lion than you have thing actions

32:10

in connection to that which are

32:12

the internet archive also took down

32:14

the archives they don't actually delete

32:16

them the internet archive still have

32:18

my understanding is an archive but

32:20

it is now like a true archive

32:22

were like you need to have a justifiable

32:25

reason to access this history

32:28

of the internet as opposed to just being

32:30

able to pull it up and i

32:32

would imagine it's up up at the top but in a one

32:34

of the reasons qb far as other than just making people

32:36

feel scared and

32:39

the

32:40

you know for how having their information out there even if

32:42

they nothing identity and nothing notable comes

32:44

of it just knowing that like your addresses listed

32:46

in somewhere and you can report it to google

32:48

and they'll do nothing about it a there

32:51

any the urban three

32:52

people over the course of the farms lifetime

32:54

a in which pair to kiwi farms does it really

32:57

target marginalized folks and specifically

32:59

targets transfix to try and drive

33:01

them you take their lives and

33:04

ah there have been three is this linked

33:06

directly to kiwi farms one

33:09

ah which i have a pretty close

33:11

connection with which is that last year

33:13

i wrote a profile of near

33:15

who is a really famous

33:17

ah ness ah emulate

33:20

or programmer

33:21

who prize doing accuracy

33:23

over

33:24

like all encompassing like the like near

33:26

was very committed to really

33:29

trying to recreate who like an

33:31

incredible degree i what

33:33

was his hardware how can we be created

33:35

and like been there so many things about modern

33:37

emulate and that do not exist without near

33:39

his work and i did this piece about

33:41

how our nearest one of your less

33:43

projects with this this odd us

33:46

that servers even square up on that lagoon

33:48

that never came out whenever localized

33:50

outside of on a japan ah

33:53

and as a result of mps

33:55

i am part of it was talking about the

33:58

i'm on ending her this man that

34:01

near had experienced they were very cautious

34:03

even discuss it with me because they knew that including

34:06

it in an article just as we discussed would

34:08

mean that that would just be increased it's just

34:10

a to it's just a target on their back again ah

34:13

i'm and then not long

34:15

after i wrote that piece near

34:17

published a series of tweets

34:19

from the specifically called out kiwi

34:22

farms as being responsible for

34:24

ah the you know essentially

34:28

leading them to ah make

34:30

their own life one of the tweet that that

34:32

near road organ and

34:34

unit twenty twenty one arguments

34:37

made harassment or is a magnitude worse magnitude escalated

34:39

from attacking me for being up to six of attacking

34:41

doctor my friends and trying to suicide date when other just

34:43

to get a reaction a reaction one of if

34:45

best friends this i feel responsible ah

34:49

you don't remember he for this or memory for what i've done

34:51

for my work and dedication thank you all so much for your

34:53

kindness is for it over the years ah

34:55

i'm very sorry i'm an

34:58

this is an instance in which someone with

35:00

and detector life ah the

35:03

did we called out kiwi farms and i am i have an instance

35:06

during all this where the sweets

35:08

when out and then you know

35:10

i was one of my people to talk to near before

35:12

this event occurred and also

35:15

in the middle of the night and frantically sending emails

35:18

after these tweets when out to see if i could

35:21

he could even reached and some other friends could could

35:23

get in touch and how tragically that did

35:25

not occur by there

35:27

are they now if i take

35:29

in couples work since then

35:32

of indication of you

35:34

know sort of the plea that near put out there that

35:37

there will be other places like this

35:39

is not like of of victory the change

35:41

the internet

35:42

the just fuck that place and foot those

35:44

people and it's incredibly

35:46

satisfying

35:47

watch them crawl away into

35:50

their new holes and ah

35:52

you know i hope were veneer is it brings them some

35:54

peace ghost because camels and really good work that is

35:56

going to the other people

35:59

the lives and

35:59

save just an enormous amount of hurt that was gonna

36:02

come on where the other

36:07

yeah some

36:09

the gross revenues one of those things where yeah

36:12

huey farm seemed effectively immortal

36:14

as far as this is facing the sorts of

36:17

consequences because it means baked

36:19

into the the assumption the so

36:21

many the internet

36:23

startups but also internet services companies

36:26

is sort of they really

36:29

the hard hearted libertarianism

36:32

ah the in the old utopian philosophy

36:34

of the internet like you know and the

36:37

the gonna run into practical realities of

36:39

how terrible people can be right in a

36:41

also very self serving you ,

36:43

agreed say the principles are profitable

36:46

to uphold and like and lot

36:48

of principled the construct that

36:50

cause like significant social harm

36:53

ah after ah certain point the

36:55

harm itself becomes leodis or perverse

36:57

vindication of how how valuable

36:59

the principle as look at all the the lives

37:02

ruined the throw on the pyre for

37:04

for the sake of these principles by the cloud

37:07

flair had dead like been

37:09

pretty adamant for a long time they weren't going to

37:12

take any action even as domain registrars

37:14

were increasingly getting getting

37:16

leery of the company ah

37:19

and it is you know it it

37:21

it is kind of remarkable to see

37:23

how this all unfolded ah

37:26

but it's also can mean i've tragically

37:29

ironic in some ways that it

37:31

was the site been

37:34

the the most see we farmed

37:36

could be reacting to this pressure

37:40

the in

37:41

exactly the like in exactly

37:43

the way or the feel like this would react

37:45

be exactly when they are ah

37:48

that that family you know force

37:50

even a company like cloud flair to

37:52

do the right thing and take

37:54

them offline and offline saw i guess i'm still

37:56

like

37:57

i i still sort of the

37:59

certainly of the the

38:03

personal with the run he we fight for years joshua

38:05

moon ah has started made statements

38:07

that it doesn't seem likely the kiwi farms

38:10

is going to be able to be brought back online

38:12

but i i still kind of

38:15

dread the possibly that like someone's willing

38:18

or to to invest in the infrastructure

38:21

to specifically keep a you

38:23

know these types of extremists sites online

38:26

i'm does their endurance but there

38:28

is his a you know like a like recommend

38:30

that there's an excellent an sort of like internet

38:33

culture newsletter called garbage day i'm

38:35

that is one of my favorite reads every week

38:37

and one of those recent ones about

38:39

kiwi farms disgust like one

38:42

of the earlier versions of a kiwi

38:44

farms website was encyclopedia dramatica

38:46

which was like essentially a wiki that

38:49

an igloo chronicled his simpson

38:51

the summer they guy with his maybe i why

38:53

would the i was around an arab enough familiar with

38:56

website but smith as he was like a prototype

38:58

for what he refers to become and

39:00

a dramatic a was the platform

39:02

and a similar sort of way where the only

39:05

way the archives are being kept for like these torrance

39:07

and eventually peep it gets old and

39:09

people get bored and as i just doesn't exist

39:11

anymore in the archives of hall all disappeared

39:14

and say you know our best hope is that the

39:16

same fate awaits kiwi farms but the problem

39:19

doesn't solve fundamental the

39:21

network structural issues with how we deal

39:23

with this extremist elements of the

39:25

internet there that and i

39:27

want the government to get into the necessarily

39:29

like waiting into the speech category

39:32

but like

39:33

i don't know what the good solution if it is probably have

39:36

you know it's probably the internet's back just

39:38

realizing

39:39

that you are responsible for some of this i don't

39:41

i don't know what these solutions are otherwise

39:44

earnings for and the and are the top and alone for since

39:46

gonna so they catch up and the able

39:48

to earn his cigarette stuff out

39:50

but it it is unfortunately probably going to rely

39:52

on campaigns to deflect the

39:54

platform displaces because i the generally

39:57

don't really see what the alternative is

39:59

even if that like upsetting depressing

40:01

because you would hope

40:03

it opens the door to

40:05

would it whenever be a more tangible solution

40:07

but maybe that the dissolution

40:09

is waste

40:12

of my cloud flair trying to hide

40:14

behind these bullshit impersonal statements

40:16

mom didn't

40:18

bullshit all long arm and side of

40:20

the faster the company's realize they are going

40:23

to be held to account

40:24

for that

40:26

the faster that these places where

40:28

they do spring up cannot be com a longstanding

40:30

as a as a kiwi farms and it's still whack a mole

40:33

but that's it always gonna be the case

40:37

yeah i mean there were reports today

40:40

from dave gilbert over advice

40:42

news talking , that that

40:45

trying to find a basically

40:47

in even more right wing

40:50

version of cloud flair ah that's

40:52

that is willing to try and

40:54

keep kiwi farms are my which i think is is

40:56

is kind of my of which

40:58

is that you know as as you see right wing extremism

41:01

get increasingly mainstreamed and organized

41:04

you will see them sort of cream this kind of infrastructure

41:06

that makes them that pointedly immune

41:09

to these that pointedly of of critique

41:12

bribe me out be simply because

41:14

they like having the this type of content

41:16

op's they like having the sort of like paused

41:18

or crew from and they like saying bad things

41:20

happen ah and undies let new

41:22

zealand and respond to ah

41:25

i'm the crash you're shooting ah they

41:27

blocked think so they looked at this

41:30

and sad like kiwi farms

41:32

is a problem how do we going to take it down

41:34

realize they couldn't and then

41:36

i mean it has one solution are advocating been on

41:38

an eye is t level they pass a law my

41:40

understanding is that like just regionally

41:42

blocks

41:43

you can access to the for using in a localized

41:46

peace in new zealand and like that

41:48

the extreme but i can

41:50

absent other options

41:52

i see how they end up in in

41:55

that place

41:56

i mean

41:57

i don't think it does sound extreme at this point right

41:59

like

41:59

there are things that

42:01

this is not just true of the internet right there

42:04

are tons of things that need is generally

42:06

accepted that people need to

42:09

that need to be kept out of people's hands

42:12

for a variety of reasons writers like the example

42:14

your time early with like a true archive great

42:16

the the structure of a true archive is

42:18

such that things are kept

42:20

away from people both because they

42:23

are vulnerable to decay

42:25

overtime but also because to

42:27

touch them puts you at

42:29

and like

42:30

honestly i think that style

42:32

like if we're talking about removing like

42:35

actively new malicious

42:38

work i don't at that point

42:40

i start giving a shit about free free speech is

42:42

a principle as a mostly i just

42:44

i don't i fundamentally don't

42:46

really

42:48

put much stock in slippery slope arguments at

42:50

this point because always like

42:53

what a very the point where the weather slope

42:56

a is slippery i am sure that

42:58

this right here is a flat fucking plateau

43:01

like this is just day there's

43:03

no like no ma'am but what if there's like

43:06

something like adjacent to cuba

43:08

that is badly how two weeks if i'd say

43:10

we can identify the summit something to

43:12

pass out of pocket like scanner

43:14

or the discourse do not apply and that doesn't

43:17

mean that isn't put other speech rights

43:19

are at risk like this is not

43:22

you know the gifts in some ways this is

43:24

like the speech equivalent of

43:26

i'm modern

43:29

firearms in some ways to

43:31

where it's it's like the

43:34

level of widely

43:36

disseminated and really specifically

43:39

index and targeted material like this

43:41

is simply not conceivable

43:43

to principal the speed of free speech

43:46

that are foreigner on the idea of people being

43:48

allowed to like write and publish

43:50

what they want in like media

43:54

outlets or creating like

43:56

like the structures of journalism or

43:59

works of art this this isn't

44:01

comprehended bivalve

44:03

and is such a perverse

44:06

and extreme expression of

44:08

so you might call speech that like it just doesn't

44:10

pose disorder like vs

44:12

python so funny but club flares i'm

44:15

usually when usually when their blog of

44:17

behind this reasoning they they said difficult

44:19

cases make bad law and like this

44:22

isn't the devil case we understand like for

44:25

libertarian ass holes i'm

44:27

sure this is very difficult

44:30

that for normal people this

44:32

is easy and it was either years ago and

44:35

the old increase it is not easy for you now

44:37

is like i'm sure some

44:39

whether the question of like at what point are

44:41

we liable for stuff is going to happen

44:43

or least is of continues to happen

44:46

on this reactor a at what point will there be

44:48

a backlash against are the ones we i want would you

44:50

start losing enterprise client is the next debbie i'm

44:52

be who's using cloud flair do

44:55

you want to be associate with someone in our minutes

44:57

that that was weird this was going that's where

44:59

this we're getting appointed next and so

45:02

that they must have crunched the numbers and just

45:04

star and figured it was it was just

45:06

worth worth cutting cutting bait and and

45:08

not having a negative pr continue but i

45:10

didn't

45:11

the had to enjoy the last couple days

45:14

like what new thing will

45:16

glenn greenwald

45:17

have to defend and he was out here

45:20

saying

45:21

the we farm sit still be online just

45:24

the wife of what a complete peace a shit

45:28

free speech also doesn't

45:30

protect you from the government censoring a speech

45:32

not from button companies are like

45:34

if you go although to like the fact that this is

45:36

a private company that can do out of a won

45:39

it's only about pr by

45:41

which is why this ah this like

45:43

form of and , directed

45:47

campaign ended up working is because it made

45:49

them look bad enough but like

45:52

there will actually probably not really that big

45:54

of a legal like

45:56

like

45:57

production at all that

45:59

about that always

45:59

there are no no heard by for

46:02

this type of philosophy is always

46:04

like also by the way like even my

46:06

middleman company i don't want making

46:09

be source of judgments about what are we helping

46:11

saturate in the world even

46:14

though again like these are judgment

46:16

that occasionally my have to add this and this was

46:18

not a hard once and bring the same that like use

46:20

that you get no credit for this having medical

46:22

this point system why i like i was my very hard

46:24

to believe at this point that hardware

46:27

did not have a fairly intimate

46:29

connection with the people

46:31

around kiwi farms just because a half

46:34

and the shit is coming up threatened and so

46:36

like for them to have gone to

46:38

this like the we're facing a fucking firing

46:40

squad like i

46:43

am so skeptical this strain of like

46:45

libertarian thought because

46:47

it was just it's so weird how it always serve

46:50

bounces on the side of like

46:52

oh , the sash of terrorists

46:55

or it's weird how it always comes hours are

46:57

just talks i don't one of muzzle

47:00

people to saying what they what

47:02

they think like this particular

47:04

person should be hounded death death

47:07

as these enough gaithersburg

47:10

space but this the strain of thoughts

47:12

always seeks to blur that line because

47:14

that's the only can defend that's the only even defend

47:16

letting the stuff like propagate

47:19

online by tying

47:21

it who ideas and freedom the people

47:24

do you care about

47:26

somehow making people think that

47:28

like this is an apples to apples thing

47:31

and resign about like varieties are apple and

47:33

mouth that like

47:35

italy apples and cyanide capsules some

47:37

physicists why this is this is the first

47:40

this isn't which

47:41

in

47:42

there's a certain level of your promote the internet anybody's

47:44

heard of qb farms but it never really gone

47:47

mainstream riley the closest it it did

47:49

was you know during a gamer

47:51

gate era and cleavers is sort of just been

47:54

frankly an institution is just have like

47:57

that is just one of the parts of the internet the

47:59

ugly personally just exists and

48:01

or with different here was that suddenly

48:04

cnn's writing something something like the

48:06

are you liking old a job reporters

48:08

like taylor the reds were very cute into

48:10

the internet like making sure the washington post is

48:12

writing about it and like once those once

48:14

you reach that level and you have

48:17

your writing out plainly with kiwi farms does

48:19

like it's a website the

48:22

house peaceful people person information

48:24

in the hopes of harassing their

48:26

friends and family any to tell that you're

48:29

on a normal person of a yeah

48:31

use the internet access facebook i add

48:33

to our diplomatic cables diplomatic thumbs down

48:35

like a like guess i probably shouldn't exist and they once

48:38

they once hit that threshold were normal

48:40

people are talking about it that's where does

48:42

the mona were caught fire lost because

48:45

there's just no doubt a the

48:47

for they were talking to the

48:50

the into internet like poison pill the people

48:52

who like ah but once you're talking

48:54

to normal people and trying to explain why you're defending

48:57

that's why eighteen was gone that's why daily stormer was

48:59

gone good ones you explain it's a normal

49:01

people you can not do it with a straight

49:03

face you cannot hide behind the

49:05

scenes libertarian a logical arguments

49:08

and that's what happened here and then it just all falls apart

49:10

once you have to explain to new york times

49:12

reporter the whole life

49:14

is wire okay with a web

49:16

sites deliberately targeting people

49:19

the have that will kill themselves ah

49:21

i you know that is not as

49:23

should not gonna hold

49:26

yeah i am

49:29

i wish everyone involved que

49:31

farms nothing but the absolute worst i

49:33

have is one surveys like you're on every

49:35

the sort of justice that actually deserved

49:37

the for might be the sense of that sly

49:40

which is the

49:42

you know people like josh full

49:44

moon actually be made to answer you're

49:47

not going to like the january six like either

49:49

shown up in court and they're doing now you're full

49:51

apologies but

49:52

the one thing i'll say the thing i do take solace

49:55

in is that the kind of person that

49:57

ends up in a place like that

49:59

the whole

49:59

the entity is tied up in places like

50:02

that

50:02

their entire life they have been forced to

50:04

exist in a place like that

50:06

because they have nothing else

50:09

then you take that away from them

50:11

that devastating on in a in a different way

50:14

and that's not the same as seem

50:16

dot or moon put behind bars yeah

50:19

the name no you'd

50:21

if satisfying to watch them like randall

50:24

the cage ah as as

50:26

this close around them but ah

50:28

, hopefully hopefully they locked

50:30

up and and kiwi farms stays

50:33

in internet how ah forever

50:36

by it of will look

50:38

your fingers crossed for that riding

50:40

, bike as swimsuit let

50:42

let's take a break recalibrate

50:45

and come back i wasn't games and

50:47

i had smells back after this

51:08

and

51:10

we're back of my games have

51:12

awesome games here so rand

51:15

even playing split soon three

51:17

her ah why it's only and

51:20

though

51:21

the temporary in

51:24

the old like an updates

51:26

to put you into which

51:28

is mostly fine because platoons

51:30

who was pretty exceptional

51:32

the it had mostly them like a lot of quality

51:34

of life improvements and like a pretty

51:36

large single player campaign that

51:40

is

51:41

getting pretty solid ah it's a

51:43

lot more creative than school to defend before with

51:45

like single player offerings but

51:48

during the game feels like really good odds

51:50

for to to add a ah a pretty

51:53

terrific campaign ah i'm a

51:55

little too ones was like pretty life as glutes

51:57

was into was the it was secretly

51:59

was reason play this game if you didn't think

52:01

you were going to maybe not worth the

52:03

price of course the prom and and ten games never

52:05

gone sale by ah but

52:08

secretly they leave games started having

52:10

some pretty robust and interesting the

52:12

player mode too dumb encouraged to hear about the

52:14

third one as yeah ah there with it's like

52:16

they're the expansion of the and of

52:18

platoon to they did i buy about like octo

52:21

ostling expansion ah and

52:23

added and a bunch of like , single

52:25

player content in a couple of like extra weapon

52:27

fight off putting three build on that

52:29

because i don't know the owner the

52:31

deal know the narrative premises platoon very

52:34

very i explained it was his idea to

52:37

gum kind as pets the last the remember

52:39

that the and then you've had enough nor mine is that

52:41

running theory is are made

52:44

his explicit could be go either way but it isn't

52:46

it a post apocalypse story after

52:48

humanity and bed and this

52:50

the squid lanes are given

52:52

i don't know if i like the overtook

52:54

us but they are what is beyond

52:57

ah the organism the takes over the

52:59

after mr edwards there are lore

53:01

entry there are there are there is

53:03

there are lore and season would soon we

53:06

would look at how about the climate apocalyptic

53:08

the climate apocalypse they already exists between

53:10

three trailer was like big ,

53:12

rather be more wonder maybe

53:14

was can have like an open world element to

53:16

it's single player now now hughes

53:19

hear it kind of it's weird a candidate

53:21

the here's the key that

53:23

the main threatens platoon three

53:26

you is is very

53:28

technical

53:30

i got his

53:33

his clumps of fur balls the for

53:35

fleet view that cloud your house

53:37

now how do you have furry do you

53:40

may wonder oh

53:42

they found a way that about oh

53:44

that let me tell you that the really model

53:47

does feel furry and gooey

53:49

at the same time it is it is

53:52

troubling to kind of behold it

53:55

took a step up from like him but started

53:57

to like coat mall of the

54:01

all of the like fish creatures so

54:04

you are seeing like hind

54:07

of gooey furry fish walking

54:09

around in the single player campaign

54:11

which is one of the more

54:14

confront one of more challenging images

54:16

i've been confronted with as of late i

54:19

did not going to for tuned expecting to be

54:21

a fronted by eldritch horror

54:26

yeah i'm in a good a platoon remains

54:28

the thing that it as which ,

54:30

like a really tremendous multiplayer shooter

54:33

that has that for nintendo game

54:36

he

54:37

surprisingly terrific competitive

54:39

foundation as someone who's

54:41

been watching a lot of these sports recently

54:43

for like watching like prove our and i

54:46

think that splits him and is actually a tremendously

54:48

weldon ideas for it

54:50

the

54:51

though they're like a viewer sport but also like

54:53

on a like gameplay level and

54:55

so i if i have i have for nintendo

54:58

with that they actually encourage those aspects

55:01

of the game and it's community i like

55:03

post relief because they've been a couple of tournaments but

55:05

they haven't like really leaned into it before

55:07

what was going to go hydra who

55:09

another always do the like

55:11

yeah i did the switches so ain't shit

55:14

my my frames by performance but but

55:16

i am kind of curious have you know

55:19

given how

55:21

smooth lot of other shooters can be at

55:24

this point light how my how good

55:26

feeling can be the to play though i'm curious like

55:28

this displeasure three stuff elites aimed

55:31

perfect way about hardware or

55:33

is it is months training too much

55:35

not even a little bad it is it

55:37

is it think the nintendo switch at it's peak

55:39

of split into was stressing

55:41

the switch a little bit little think know ah i think

55:44

that they have the time

55:46

since it's release ah nintendo have gotten

55:48

a better grasp of how to pull everything

55:50

out of that hardware which is why split

55:52

soon three barely looked better than looking

55:55

into it's all a very minor like quality

55:57

of life like visual fidelity

55:59

increase the like the incas shiny

56:01

or in a little bit more reflective on

56:04

but like it comes together to feel a lot

56:06

more polished

56:08

the

56:09

the don't like runs tremendously i've

56:12

not had any problems with with having

56:14

a month really smooth

56:16

and also like i think that they're the benefits what

56:18

he has most cases that it is

56:21

from a competitive prospective like a gameplay perspective

56:23

it is designed with a fallibility

56:26

of the switch in minds

56:28

the there are very few weapons

56:30

in that game they're going to be dependent on

56:32

a perfect slack

56:34

the

56:35

that like they get a free imperfect

56:37

freq like of flak like something you had happened

56:39

balance my anything that is like

56:42

very big benefit for the theory like long

56:44

term potential an author like it's ability

56:46

philly can get people to the trial

56:49

warning that i think worst as weekends

56:52

advantage and as some of that doesn't watch

56:54

lot of the sports and thus the

56:57

finds a lot of it very ah unreadable

56:59

or inscrutable big than a familiar with the lights

57:02

like this is eric language that occurring the burbs that

57:04

i'm says be washing about what's the so city impressed

57:06

by speroni for foods within work

57:08

i think not only is an impressive because it

57:11

has enough depth and it can capture people who are

57:14

may out on the surface wonder like

57:16

our don't antenna made you know a shooter like

57:18

so course it's you know is is probably pretty simple

57:21

method appealed the kids and it does but also

57:24

like you can just jump you can just watches platoon

57:26

mass and because it's a they get him i think depending

57:28

on the mode i built around

57:30

watching i for who's got more inc right

57:32

i get it more complicated than that like it's literal

57:35

is that like the main verbal

57:37

like shooting inc the

57:39

more income one theme

57:41

the resenting dominance allows you

57:43

as a viewer to very quickly

57:45

grasp what is happening here

57:47

who's winning who's losing what the teigen

57:50

all the match or and i've always found it

57:52

really arresting about but soon as a franchise

57:54

is how much is it's literal visual design

57:57

is is t then to it's gameplay

57:59

divine

57:59

yeah it's it's it's it's really it's

58:02

really it's really cool to see and

58:04

i think the like the core of a thing

58:06

that a good thing by recently as i've been like getting more

58:08

and like valor and and i'm

58:11

even like fighting game dixie

58:13

to pretty much

58:16

every competitive video game is

58:18

who is controlling what space

58:21

and how space is control the and

58:23

usually that like that

58:25

visualize to an audience

58:27

out if you don't have like the perfect understanding

58:29

of every characters if it was the most sooner right where

58:32

you're watching a singular first person

58:34

perspective we don't bouncing between

58:36

them ike perlmutter make a fighting game like

58:38

really effective as you have the most of the whole

58:40

field exact like usually see all the players

58:43

because the a health bar on with

58:45

with them and a grand it's it's it's given it's

58:47

helpful those third the person point

58:49

ah it it has all these other really

58:51

smart aids that makes it's visual

58:54

language easy to read it right

58:56

arm even if you're not like really deep

58:58

into to that world right you can see

59:00

what angles are being covered because there

59:02

is in condoms you know this whole

59:04

different by a territory conflicts oh cool

59:07

if they had access to this area it

59:09

would not be covered and yellow cake and

59:11

it makes it like extremely readable

59:13

and also like

59:14

a lot easier to learn

59:16

i think that of the other like real benefit

59:18

of like split soon as like a p the game design of that

59:20

it is way easier to learn what you

59:22

are doing it wrong and how to control

59:24

spaces puts him and then it isn't something

59:26

like valor and because like again

59:28

everything and liberalized in front of you

59:31

and it does make that like way more approachable

59:35

i know one of the things that ah

59:38

these years to tune much more to his will to

59:40

into an antenna more firmly embrace

59:42

that by it

59:43

the fashion element of split soon

59:45

is a big deal right like nintendo

59:48

sort of picked up on the fact that people like

59:51

they want there's wag like the like central hub area

59:53

of spoken to his base the like going to want

59:55

to different stores and buying much a cool different

59:58

gear that you can like yeah okay the

1:00:00

about went and then go out there i'm curious

1:00:02

what parts of for doom three

1:00:04

have added to that is is sort of the same

1:00:07

so i think that

1:00:09

what you would have always leaned really really hard

1:00:12

and to like hype beast fastness that

1:00:14

i guess which are not my favorite

1:00:16

the i like i like streetwear a lot but

1:00:18

the specific kind of street where that's

1:00:20

platoon have kind of tight itself to

1:00:23

are like a very like branded dominated

1:00:26

the

1:00:27

like fuckin big sur little shoes

1:00:30

site big sur big sued little pants with

1:00:33

i'll have streetwear as

1:00:35

like when like the core of the series for really long time

1:00:38

and

1:00:38

the thing that i am

1:00:40

relatively fight about another thing is i want to hear

1:00:42

is that i haven't actually gotten a see much of the fasten because

1:00:45

the way the nintendo run there

1:00:47

are things can be a little bit difficult interact

1:00:49

with some time and so the

1:00:52

fashion it was on rotation when

1:00:54

i was playing in preview and

1:00:56

and like the review era was

1:00:59

not

1:01:00

except that they were not cycling it i think

1:01:02

it's a piece that exposes it they have africa

1:01:04

it's been a while zip listen to do so it's like bc

1:01:06

like the shops or refreshing from

1:01:08

of a larger pool and

1:01:10

basis but part of the reason to log in every day is to see what

1:01:13

a what [unk] zur and destiny but instead

1:01:15

inside the world and what does what the shops

1:01:17

on today yeah exactly are you going to have to

1:01:19

oregon use the phone app which is the thing

1:01:21

i did when i played sports too because there's

1:01:24

sometimes exclusive things you can get on

1:01:26

the phone app that none of that

1:01:29

is put to nap or than a nintendo online

1:01:31

the now hand though online after in

1:01:34

which there is a platoon sex i'm

1:01:36

constantly nintendo online app is

1:01:38

a weird the hydrogel right as

1:01:40

that's ah that's how they want you to voice

1:01:43

chat yeah i like in theory is through

1:01:45

all the this

1:01:47

they still

1:01:48

i don't remember i believe so i

1:01:50

believe oh i mean i don't think that most

1:01:54

normal people do you it when i

1:01:56

that might have been that some of my last memory

1:01:58

of where the parliament and those

1:02:00

online infrastructure ah confusing

1:02:03

on the structure left off and this is partly

1:02:05

because different company but ah pokemon

1:02:07

you night which is thrilled

1:02:09

by timmy

1:02:11

had in game voice chat so it's like

1:02:14

the greek hardware possible on the

1:02:16

so it's so it was

1:02:18

weird that they've decided weird

1:02:21

a matter of fact the word sms why they will leave

1:02:23

the a though that it is i mean there's a separate

1:02:25

i don't know that it had weird that incentive dry

1:02:27

eyed with our friend code companies so

1:02:29

thea

1:02:31

for your my hope is that the

1:02:33

company when i really want is like more old fashion

1:02:36

and the game because gonna be very would

1:02:38

make rooted in this hypothetical and other

1:02:40

as a devoted little all girl

1:02:42

i do one like my big sweaters i got

1:02:44

i have to see more big flutters digital

1:02:46

fiber fall on in right like i'm on

1:02:49

would soon it's not the summer i

1:02:51

, i need something to approximate

1:02:54

the extremely toxic even

1:02:56

galleon sweater i spend most of my days

1:02:58

wearing two people now that i

1:03:01

am painter the people

1:03:03

this time

1:03:04

that aren't

1:03:06

the idol yeah would the the one of them

1:03:08

have a flooded type the oh yes she

1:03:10

does i wish i had her clothes

1:03:12

are available in game because

1:03:15

her set is extremely cute let me show you all

1:03:18

these three

1:03:21

the i could only signal that they may

1:03:23

be moving towards more of that stuff

1:03:25

as well

1:03:26

i mean of in

1:03:29

they leaned into the fifteen had

1:03:31

aesthetic ah from puts him

1:03:33

to they decided to quadruple down

1:03:36

the com system into

1:03:38

a fetus and the girl

1:03:40

that me him i believe of name is

1:03:42

big boy that's a big man says otherwise

1:03:45

they man

1:03:47

a sliver big man and fry

1:03:49

or each of their names one com

1:03:52

server and big man are very run out

1:03:54

of course to me everybody everybody

1:03:56

needs a big man in their life is kind

1:03:58

of my take

1:04:01

if you don't how big man maybe you are the big man

1:04:04

the compatible

1:04:07

i

1:04:08

wanting that always loved about to tune is

1:04:11

i would do the i would log in and

1:04:13

check this out even when i wasn't playing

1:04:16

the game is just the community hub

1:04:19

and the images and the drawings that

1:04:21

people share all i can think of right now

1:04:24

this the hub wanna get

1:04:26

horrible you think the like

1:04:27

queens or dying from all i can think of

1:04:30

a hundred years it's gonna be so good a bar

1:04:32

and she'll go see i'm fighting the good to my

1:04:34

how to community is going to be to save

1:04:36

you're unfamiliar with that i cannot would

1:04:39

you do the closest thing the nintendo has

1:04:41

to extending the me verse and

1:04:43

the mirrors was a social network they made for the we you

1:04:46

that

1:04:47

the whole unique so interesting

1:04:49

i i remain

1:04:51

so frustrated that they didn't extend

1:04:53

it to the to the switch in any meaningful way because are

1:04:55

a lot of cool ideas incorporated people

1:04:57

doing drawings and puts you in essentially takes

1:05:00

some of that and and and that's

1:05:02

so here yes with i know what i get

1:05:04

only people are going to be donkey on the queen

1:05:06

and instead of moderators are going to be slide

1:05:09

while when this podcast goes

1:05:11

live up was at the same around the same time

1:05:13

this would soon as available for for the people

1:05:15

patrick they have billboards floating in

1:05:17

the size can go

1:05:19

to a specific part of the hub and

1:05:21

marriage as fuck you know loading

1:05:23

bill for take out a tremendous

1:05:26

amount of space that are just going to have

1:05:29

these wars sit you can imagine

1:05:32

i am hi i'm so excited

1:05:34

this and continue there's gonna be

1:05:36

within three days i'm going to think

1:05:38

i think within

1:05:40

twenty four hours i'm going to see at least five

1:05:42

twitter posts that are some

1:05:44

when uploading there are they says

1:05:46

like i'm a little gay

1:05:48

weirdo and then a picture

1:05:50

a big man

1:05:51

in lot of the ones who immediately dominate

1:05:55

this puts you in three and i'm that

1:05:57

i'm so excited

1:05:58

you're gonna you know we expect like the extension

1:06:01

like after i'd finished likes platoon to

1:06:03

the campaign i don't think finish but i got like a decent

1:06:05

like that those became my interactions with platoon

1:06:08

much like my interactions with the wii u that i rarely turned

1:06:10

on was a thing me very suppose

1:06:13

and and people finding a either

1:06:15

sharing something they didn't platoon or something

1:06:17

a darkly humorous that they found a

1:06:20

institute for to and so my favorite stuff in the

1:06:22

beavers was you know people were just

1:06:25

i mean it was it was mostly ship posting and

1:06:27

like a my parents just got divorced

1:06:29

i'm sad and then they would like to see how long

1:06:31

that would stay up before that a moderator

1:06:33

would do something about it and it was just

1:06:36

the like and then you get the

1:06:38

the real strength which is the person shit posting

1:06:41

about the fact that their parents are divorced in their side

1:06:43

and that's where and that's where the me birth really coalesces

1:06:46

into like a concrete form

1:06:48

i think having fortune web i'm i'm i

1:06:50

think of like of really cool franchise and

1:06:52

i was i'm really excited to see it get another shot

1:06:56

the

1:06:57

the

1:06:58

there's a single player ives

1:07:00

absolutely a more me centric less of a like is a thing of

1:07:02

were meaningfully differ is it just sort of to campaign

1:07:04

sort of thing so

1:07:07

yes and now

1:07:09

the

1:07:10

they have decided

1:07:11

the be a lot more varied

1:07:13

and experimental with how they understand

1:07:15

what a level as in what what the

1:07:18

objectives of a level are because they can split

1:07:20

tuned to the objective is pretty

1:07:22

consistently just get to the

1:07:24

end of it and get the little guy or

1:07:26

fight avast

1:07:28

what's your in three they have decided to

1:07:30

make every level of beard game show

1:07:32

challenge and so you can take

1:07:34

it on with a handful of different

1:07:36

weapons all of which require you to play

1:07:39

slightly differently and take

1:07:41

on like odd objectives one of the things

1:07:43

that i've i've seen as like one of them is just

1:07:45

asking you to jump over rains until

1:07:47

you've jumped over enough rings to

1:07:50

isn't like he did the game so good job

1:07:52

here the clear your points and so

1:07:54

they've gotten at the very least a lot more experimental

1:07:58

i'm like expressive what would that with what they asking

1:08:00

you to jail and like the level design on those

1:08:02

has always been excellent idea but you

1:08:04

like level of and of i was in grade and sow

1:08:07

seeing used to different

1:08:09

and more interesting and have actually been really nice

1:08:12

i don't like the new weapon like they have made the

1:08:14

weapons feel the thing from one another and

1:08:17

interact with like level designs

1:08:19

and more particular ways which

1:08:21

i i can appreciate

1:08:23

like what

1:08:24

the like

1:08:26

every level only has four weapons you

1:08:28

can you then it would they pick out beforehand and

1:08:31

so there are ways in which

1:08:33

you can pick something up and be like oh cool

1:08:35

this group of enemies here i have to approach

1:08:38

or like this like bit of terrain here i

1:08:40

have to approach in a totally different way

1:08:42

because i am using the umbrella and

1:08:45

i could like this is totally trivial with

1:08:47

any weapons that are not given to me

1:08:49

right now and i have to like specifically

1:08:51

learn the thing that i the quirks of the thing that i

1:08:53

am using in this moment

1:08:55

in a way that i think that split soon

1:08:57

to gave you a lot of freedom of to like

1:08:59

what you wanted to you than any given month after

1:09:02

you get the weapons with good the fee and

1:09:04

them putting will have the harder

1:09:06

and like

1:09:07

be more intentional by what you can cancer

1:09:10

and you imagine new they mostly iterative

1:09:13

are is are like a big new game mode i've not been

1:09:15

specifically falling like this platoon directs

1:09:18

or our anything or is it mostly just new

1:09:20

levels seen on new weapons

1:09:22

that is that is that like that major discipline at

1:09:24

that there's nothing on the t or famine run the

1:09:27

salmon run was the big additional platoons here

1:09:29

which is the games hard mode

1:09:30

the what you three does not add

1:09:32

anything on that scale he just has

1:09:35

so many quality of life improvements

1:09:37

that it would kind of astounding

1:09:40

nintendo has a

1:09:41

mostly reasonable lobby of them

1:09:43

actually which is which is a hard working

1:09:46

for a heart attack gradually i developed

1:09:48

as well as what i mean that's that's

1:09:50

that yeah was it into your point of

1:09:53

the tune a again the

1:09:55

probably would be bigger if it was

1:09:58

like nintendo's like approach to on in

1:10:00

competition was i don't know they're

1:10:02

just more attentive and interested in it i the

1:10:04

vegas with you and three has been a lobby

1:10:06

system has quality of life improvements

1:10:09

in theory hopefully that it's helping it approach more

1:10:12

of a smash brothers situation where it can sort

1:10:14

of break free of thought

1:10:16

just being like a popular nintendo game but all may

1:10:18

have like a longer lasting impact

1:10:21

com and stuff like that is young

1:10:23

critical to sort of getting the getting the in a place

1:10:25

where can even the community pack

1:10:27

okay actually this between treat our game

1:10:29

like a a melee or something like that

1:10:32

i i

1:10:35

think this for town kind of

1:10:37

with a

1:10:39

with a foreigner for the era of the weird

1:10:41

shooter that we are now and like i think that

1:10:44

like roller rome like of not i

1:10:46

think that roller dromon these genres that emerges

1:10:48

around it on the that that is a part of

1:10:51

good thing big boost ones platoon

1:10:53

one comes out in it does really well and

1:10:56

i hope that like

1:10:57

the continued success of that series makes people

1:10:59

just do more interesting things if

1:11:01

you're gonna make a shooter like make it interesting

1:11:04

make a fine be like you source you guns

1:11:06

i mean that's always you know in a same way that and on

1:11:08

antennas a posted the open world are

1:11:10

you know if you break that down into the

1:11:12

feature set it on found that all that different

1:11:14

than what you're doing and

1:11:16

and assassin's creed game or whatever but there's

1:11:19

something about nintendo's design sensibilities

1:11:21

that it's very exciting when they choose

1:11:24

to enter his on read that you would go

1:11:26

really i don't that doesn't seem like as fits your

1:11:28

your set but

1:11:30

when they bring to it is always are usually

1:11:32

something really interesting

1:11:34

canadian i am adding that was the the

1:11:37

knock on them in like the

1:11:39

the you tube era roughly around there were like

1:11:41

like you know violent realistic

1:11:44

shooters were becoming the most popular genre

1:11:46

if i was a that is but

1:11:48

i'd like of when weaker you know what they can't

1:11:50

they can't keep pace with this and they found in all the

1:11:53

went to their ups and downs but when they eventually

1:11:55

turned their attention to what genre that would

1:11:57

not seem to be compatible

1:11:59

the

1:11:59

they even their action games blogs we

1:12:02

don't involve guns and they end up producing

1:12:04

something

1:12:05

her men displayed interesting it

1:12:07

express like that is that of the how are things that understand

1:12:09

that like mechanics are tools for expression as

1:12:11

opposed to and even are not themselves i

1:12:14

end like of that is why is buy

1:12:16

generally like at one yeah point

1:12:18

and but as with

1:12:21

so i , innovative thing

1:12:23

that are trying to be weird but maybe aren't weird a knopf

1:12:26

also point to point campus which

1:12:29

is is is

1:12:31

like go for profit education

1:12:34

version of two point

1:12:36

two which is

1:12:38

sort of as calm as many as

1:12:41

we're sort of wrapping up the session

1:12:43

yesterday amateur the was was on

1:12:45

air over sir talking after

1:12:47

the show that like to point hospital

1:12:50

there's a theory that kind of explicitly

1:12:52

is trying to sort of be the inheritor of the

1:12:55

theme aspinall

1:12:57

mandel yeah

1:12:58

which was a i believe in what amid

1:13:00

all a lie be satire

1:13:02

yeah i'm late late ninety those that i think

1:13:04

there was some crossover deaths to right there

1:13:06

were some expo filed people on that

1:13:09

that team i , actually

1:13:11

hit remember if it was like if it was like

1:13:13

besser direct lineage or not ah

1:13:16

certainly the it was positioned that were

1:13:18

here as like if you like the hospital

1:13:20

vs of this of

1:13:23

ah

1:13:25

and i liked i like to point us

1:13:27

little it was is fun having maybe

1:13:29

the most crucial thing as the interface

1:13:31

for the series is really really good

1:13:34

very legible very snappy ah

1:13:37

the humor

1:13:39

is very ah

1:13:42

what did the way to put it like

1:13:45

it is

1:13:47

like this sas higher

1:13:51

these

1:13:52

the unit in a satire could not cut butter

1:13:54

right is isn't kind how does weights all works

1:13:57

were i'm a good time this is very much

1:13:59

like am

1:13:59

like ah yeah

1:14:02

the late night monologue

1:14:04

in terms of edginess ah

1:14:06

for for the house it's going to push it's

1:14:08

points so you know two point hospitals

1:14:11

very much about like boy

1:14:13

free pretty wacky how these people

1:14:15

will always conditions have to pay all pass all

1:14:17

this money ah and where where

1:14:20

enough sort of milk them for as much

1:14:22

as possible ah

1:14:25

ah ah

1:14:27

, and like so two boys half

1:14:29

as taking the same approach to

1:14:32

to higher ed and so

1:14:34

you like the idea of the

1:14:37

humorless you redoing with him and and

1:14:39

they're pulling their points was charming but like this

1:14:41

is kind of pointed his gas pointed

1:14:44

places like this little as in this lot

1:14:46

of your more lighthearted

1:14:48

management games deserve

1:14:50

the voiceover slash like radio

1:14:54

like , the background background

1:14:57

at you you hear ads for university

1:14:59

in says he is education is

1:15:03

, you a bright future and then clouds

1:15:05

that with that

1:15:09

also after a by the unless

1:15:11

it's unless and less

1:15:14

the helped her one of the like that for flatter than

1:15:16

the is the case when i'm not going to minimize student

1:15:18

ever there's something about like people actively

1:15:20

dying or since it's is hop flights

1:15:22

the that if someone's were crossing them both than

1:15:25

the than the financing one but i'd be who knows

1:15:27

how and how how far they take that

1:15:29

once you you to that initial pitch some

1:15:32

other thing the a paper i utilize

1:15:34

really quickly to confirm that the

1:15:36

producer lead artist and composer

1:15:39

of theme hospital are

1:15:41

the ones that kind of went on to make two

1:15:43

points studio to make

1:15:44

the point

1:15:47

that to point a to point often went

1:15:49

off but on two point jumpers yeah

1:15:52

the radio

1:15:53

yeah we're going to o'connor like ask

1:15:56

if

1:15:58

do you think someone who played

1:15:59

the about do you feel like the

1:16:02

the of like patrick with the darkness

1:16:04

of making jokes about healthcare make

1:16:07

lot more like make that land flatter doesn't

1:16:09

make it landslide or does it actually help

1:16:12

things out with the contrast

1:16:15

no i just so i think

1:16:17

i've the landlord the same way on

1:16:20

honestly for me into certain terms

1:16:22

of have a good comedy is hitting like

1:16:24

it's ah yeah we all their

1:16:26

mer body ah it's

1:16:29

it's it's fine i beg of

1:16:31

you crucially is the

1:16:33

college probably already right up to the line

1:16:36

where if it were more pointed

1:16:38

and obtrusive in

1:16:41

the game you would just be starting to

1:16:43

get increasingly annoyed by at ah

1:16:45

and instead of kindness occupy this the

1:16:47

space is also the punchline landing like music

1:16:49

beats real have we'll have to play

1:16:51

in the background the you hear a little joke a little like fake

1:16:54

single for your for your college and

1:16:56

then the game goes on your thrilled to that out then

1:16:59

occasionally the , it will serve

1:17:01

cash you is of various

1:17:03

like d j's appear on the radio and

1:17:05

like they will go on little refs and very

1:17:07

occasionally a source of realize like others actually

1:17:09

kind of a good good

1:17:11

little ref ah this this dude

1:17:14

is on own the bigger

1:17:16

the bigger thing that i'm that the

1:17:19

isn't play for me is the

1:17:21

nature of the madam game you're playing so

1:17:24

two point hospital ah was

1:17:26

very much a game fundamentally

1:17:28

about path

1:17:29

two point hospital is about

1:17:33

managing to make it fast

1:17:36

the efficient

1:17:38

profitable and successful

1:17:41

from the moment patient loss in intake

1:17:44

to sort of have them to

1:17:47

barreling like outlay a rifle shot

1:17:50

through the various specialists and

1:17:52

wards that they need to go through to

1:17:54

get there are to get to

1:17:56

get treated which by the way already means

1:17:59

that too in hospital sas higher

1:18:01

can't help what be comparatively ya utopian

1:18:04

that's the funny part in this is like this

1:18:06

is why you better pay off do

1:18:08

i would happily pay for the kind of healthcare you get

1:18:10

it is okay when you get your you tell you commies

1:18:12

diseases like lightheadedness they got they why

1:18:14

balls for head butts like the

1:18:17

the utopian part of it is like to point

1:18:19

hospital is you go to the hospital

1:18:23

it may just like

1:18:25

shuttle youth as rubig special to sit

1:18:27

on yeah like all the tests are done

1:18:29

immediately the diagnosis is gonna

1:18:31

be like fast and accurate than yeah you treatments

1:18:34

to that's what you're paying the money for and

1:18:36

, yeah this is maybe this

1:18:38

is whether the metaphor for break down to

1:18:41

the two point hospital version of america

1:18:43

is like like different

1:18:45

say the like medical strip mall campuses

1:18:47

separated by like three miles of gridlock

1:18:49

in parking lots a saucer

1:18:52

met each one has a different

1:18:54

fucked up relationship with your insurance or you get

1:18:56

is kind of a beyond satire or

1:18:58

city when hospitals like you blink build is beautifully

1:19:01

like vertically integrated hospital integrated

1:19:03

and yeah it's like boy's

1:19:06

life pretty messy the desire for the

1:19:08

ah and i'm like nah man i wish

1:19:10

i lived in this world this ,

1:19:13

usual don't have those letters and pay

1:19:15

me ten thousand dollars but you know what

1:19:17

they've got all that medical care what

1:19:19

they don't show during the game is the amount of people

1:19:21

again

1:19:22

apparently thrown down sit suits

1:19:24

because their credit the false right

1:19:27

right maybe opening of the was all yeah

1:19:29

yeahs be even more pointed ah

1:19:32

, jag there but

1:19:34

the time of the the padding things massive with hospital

1:19:37

you point campus because a different sort

1:19:39

of thing you are building

1:19:42

having feels much less important

1:19:45

as much more a game about like also jason

1:19:47

seas or efficiency that exist

1:19:49

in like

1:19:51

the ready

1:19:53

access characters have to facilities

1:19:56

ah that they need which is

1:19:58

it's own difference one ah

1:20:01

but it is not quite as

1:20:04

demand they are satisfy and like building

1:20:06

a ship in a bottle ah category

1:20:09

as like designing a really good hospital

1:20:11

out to point hospital this is

1:20:13

much more like yeah so

1:20:15

i put the teachers' lounge here

1:20:18

and this was classrooms around the

1:20:20

and then ah you know that

1:20:22

guy has bathroom so they're not like having

1:20:24

like having to far to the bathroom like missing classes

1:20:27

but like that's not like there's a much

1:20:29

bigger error bar on that and then there is

1:20:32

around like somebody comes in intake

1:20:34

and that patient will be dad

1:20:37

isn't like five minutes unless they start

1:20:39

getting the right diagnosis from like the job

1:20:42

the battle of i gotta i wasn't gonna

1:20:44

ask is there is

1:20:46

are limitations are limitations theme

1:20:48

hospital

1:20:49

they're part of the thing was that the once

1:20:52

you hit a certain amount of popularly

1:20:54

you like moved the next level and

1:20:56

it would be a harder layout ray like that would be more

1:20:58

could like different buildings are yet to build out

1:21:01

and for the passing would become more

1:21:03

complicated of people are then moving yeah just within

1:21:05

a single building but moving out the other buildings

1:21:07

inside that a thing in you

1:21:09

this one or as the success

1:21:12

of it's kind of clever how they do

1:21:14

this or will he can

1:21:16

you unlock their campuses then

1:21:18

you just or stay on your campus and will continue

1:21:20

throwing like more advanced challenges that you

1:21:23

are with that layout them on my campus

1:21:26

or use move onto the next one which will like give

1:21:28

you a different scenario

1:21:30

and then that one will will will serve tear

1:21:32

up and so co interesting of

1:21:35

i kind of really like the structure honestly

1:21:38

of the game kind of

1:21:40

encourages you to leave a bunch

1:21:42

of half finished scenarios and

1:21:44

move on the next thing was busy to realize

1:21:46

some other set of

1:21:49

features are as and buildings

1:21:52

but then like later you come back and be

1:21:54

like will now with some stuff of unlocked

1:21:56

and so the stuff of come understand from

1:21:58

these other like the school

1:22:00

they took over now this next

1:22:02

like leg of journey of like starting campuses

1:22:05

gonna be like really easier interesting ah

1:22:08

so so that's kind of how they they handle

1:22:10

that progression

1:22:12

though the question that i'm kind of hitting his

1:22:15

the the game mechanically actually feel like

1:22:17

it's about school because like

1:22:19

the think you're describing with passing and and

1:22:21

adjacent the don't

1:22:24

those are the things that cause inefficiencies

1:22:26

and something i got like i like hospital you

1:22:29

can prepare for him coming up against as you're describing

1:22:31

like what causes

1:22:33

problems in school like efficiency while

1:22:36

and so

1:22:37

does the game feel like of

1:22:40

out all thinking about that fact or like

1:22:42

what actually causes

1:22:44

in efficiency and education's decent

1:22:48

there's always one is i

1:22:50

move game has a very heavy uk perspective

1:22:52

intern how these things work and

1:22:54

so like a bit like

1:22:57

with hospital the feel him more point of here

1:22:59

it's , not as in tune with how like

1:23:02

a merit like what american campus life

1:23:04

is like ah as opposed to

1:23:06

like like in in

1:23:08

in some ways but i

1:23:11

think so that the way this plays out

1:23:14

in terms of

1:23:16

again uk can't help but and up

1:23:19

in the process of satirizing and the

1:23:21

up with something accidently kind of utopian

1:23:25

one of the things that you're really measured on is how

1:23:27

well students are warning like

1:23:30

our students actually being properly educated

1:23:32

in the thing that year university

1:23:34

is and courses you're university is offering

1:23:37

the and the way you make sure

1:23:40

that that happens is

1:23:44

though like one

1:23:46

how good a teachers in the classroom how

1:23:48

many individual learning facilities

1:23:51

are in the big laboratory

1:23:53

or a workshop area of

1:23:55

it's associated with with different specialty course

1:24:00

but then how easy

1:24:02

is it for students to go to the library

1:24:04

and like hit the boston library and

1:24:07

so that's kinda where the v inefficiencies crop

1:24:09

up is like if the library

1:24:11

understaffed or it's too far away students

1:24:14

will not users ah and so

1:24:16

they will underperform so

1:24:18

the kind of like basically

1:24:21

making it so that all the necessary educational

1:24:23

resources are like easy for

1:24:25

students t like utilize in education

1:24:27

mode but then i think maybe

1:24:30

this maybe this first dial in a little more unlike some

1:24:33

of the weird centers around american campus life

1:24:36

the

1:24:38

students also want to have

1:24:40

fairly pass living conditions

1:24:43

on campus and so

1:24:45

you're kind of encouraged to

1:24:47

run

1:24:48

really

1:24:50

lavish and inefficient like money

1:24:52

saints in terms of dorms

1:24:54

and like student unions and

1:24:57

and things like that are , part

1:24:59

because like that that makes the soon body

1:25:01

happier but it does

1:25:03

mean that like housing begins

1:25:05

to conceal a bigger and bigger part of

1:25:07

your budget because

1:25:10

like the certain point reeves you just cannot

1:25:12

crouch cram enough creature comforts

1:25:15

into a dorm room unless you like size

1:25:17

it op ra , so that's kind

1:25:19

of that that's kind of attention that that

1:25:21

you're so wrestling with here is that

1:25:24

the marketability of your university

1:25:26

sorry depends on the depends on

1:25:28

to like they're all lot of shiny

1:25:31

objects in front of prospective student's

1:25:33

ah and keep the sued by the happy but

1:25:36

then the outcomes for university depends

1:25:39

on having a lot of like

1:25:41

seamlessly integrated resources for

1:25:43

the students to have access to news arm

1:25:46

, that's that's kind of the tension ah

1:25:48

it's thought it's is it's i'm terrible rendering

1:25:50

again the things that the missing element

1:25:52

love these things is

1:25:55

the are you eat the thing that this game

1:25:57

and and have is

1:25:59

the massive ah

1:26:02

like

1:26:04

you're not required to hire more and more administrators

1:26:07

who just like consumed colossal

1:26:09

sections of budget right would cut the real the real

1:26:11

issue is like lives you know why

1:26:13

it was university by university finances

1:26:16

are so fucked up whilst because like

1:26:19

universities grow admin staff

1:26:21

but they do not invest in teaching staff

1:26:23

they do not invest in like educational

1:26:25

facilities mcdaid the kind to turn

1:26:27

into a racket for like assisted

1:26:30

dean's and and admins your

1:26:32

have than this game there is no there

1:26:34

is no like

1:26:35

bureaucratic leaching ah the

1:26:37

happens in in in

1:26:39

the on the campus so

1:26:42

that's so that's of with miss saying about

1:26:44

what most that we're doing is trying to strike

1:26:46

this balance between ah having

1:26:48

efficient ready access to resources and

1:26:51

then also making it so that your campus

1:26:53

is the most like play hard

1:26:56

ah you know for whatever students are into

1:26:58

environment can be

1:27:00

are you making decisions about what field

1:27:03

are getting prioritized at all or

1:27:05

that just each campus has

1:27:07

it's priority already and you are not

1:27:09

making that decision and not having

1:27:11

to balance the difficulty between like

1:27:13

for example funding a

1:27:15

lake tremendous

1:27:17

liberal arts department versus like us mediocre

1:27:20

engineering department

1:27:21

so this is i'm sorry in the point where the game

1:27:24

is turning into that a little bit more which is

1:27:26

awesome usually the start

1:27:28

a college has like a thing of focusing on your

1:27:30

learning with the things that that go with that

1:27:32

type of medication but

1:27:34

then as your try new expand out

1:27:37

and so they , the

1:27:39

student body your era highly

1:27:41

incentivized to start offering more courses

1:27:44

ah there is weirdly of it's kind of

1:27:46

i guess you can choose the

1:27:49

met make a half or rhyme or reason but the thing

1:27:51

and like

1:27:51

what you're not going to have is a lot of

1:27:55

complimentary courses the you can offer

1:27:57

were make sense like oh yeah this is of

1:27:59

oh the humanities ah

1:28:01

mina school and so we're doing

1:28:03

like a humanities departments have

1:28:05

stood up in here like

1:28:08

this is all very like

1:28:10

the model of universe education here

1:28:12

is wacky vocational school though

1:28:14

it is oh ,

1:28:16

our our vr classroom

1:28:18

the teachers the kids how to use vr

1:28:21

and by build things in vr

1:28:23

we need out like stand there program up

1:28:26

and investors of the our lab and all that stuff

1:28:28

but then we want to order another

1:28:30

who wanna offer another course next year oh

1:28:33

yeah we have yeah we between

1:28:36

the up

1:28:37

cooking ah i go a corner

1:28:39

school or can be like building robots

1:28:43

the and

1:28:45

you don't

1:28:47

you experience a bit of attention in

1:28:49

terms of

1:28:51

almost inevitably the new or department

1:28:55

well does not have the

1:28:57

the expertise that the senior department

1:29:00

does ah and so like

1:29:02

it's early stages it will be a bit of like

1:29:04

a weak point for you arm and seat you do

1:29:06

you do wrestle with a bit of the tension

1:29:08

between like of ,

1:29:10

the excellence in one area and

1:29:13

wanting to have the most

1:29:16

diverse student

1:29:18

, like honestly i mean

1:29:22

the him in the inside of it seems to give you

1:29:24

forebrain is forfeit his the

1:29:27

profitable have loved me read apartments you

1:29:30

know if it's you can make a lot of my

1:29:32

bathroom more classes and seven

1:29:34

hundred attention year you navigating as like

1:29:36

after certain point you could increase

1:29:39

would capacity the end

1:29:41

though worth of like the department

1:29:44

by the the more in it

1:29:45

but it

1:29:47

might be faster and easier just

1:29:49

to say we're gonna stand up a new department

1:29:52

ah and it's and and growth soon

1:29:54

body that way so like it's

1:29:57

it's it's cute it's one of us have like

1:30:00

it

1:30:01

the thing they do really well in the series is

1:30:04

it's just kind of nice

1:30:06

to

1:30:07

player to big snappy tools and lay

1:30:09

out the little you know

1:30:11

the

1:30:12

the with the facilities you're building

1:30:15

and and creating like comfortable spaces

1:30:17

for people to work with ah

1:30:20

ends you know different things for

1:30:22

mobile creatures to engage with ah

1:30:24

it's than the odds that all good it's a

1:30:26

it's a very fun sill management game

1:30:29

like with two point hospital

1:30:31

though it's like i'm i'm

1:30:34

right there on the border of like it might just be

1:30:36

so tell that i'm like not

1:30:38

feeling much friction

1:30:41

it's interesting for me to overcome ah

1:30:43

you know for yeah the trouble is sort of celery time

1:30:46

and , the money roll in and

1:30:48

that i can buy whatever the equipment that

1:30:50

i need to sort go out of trouble trouble

1:30:52

but yeah me and i i assume

1:30:55

and i hope it gets harder as you

1:30:57

go along but you know several scenarios and thus

1:30:59

as thus it still feels like it's

1:31:01

it's so focused on being a chill

1:31:03

and frictionless good time that

1:31:05

it's not necessarily setting like

1:31:08

any sort of

1:31:10

interesting puzzles or before

1:31:12

you

1:31:13

it

1:31:14

the final question i have like

1:31:17

you thought about that the satire is falling

1:31:20

a little bit flat and

1:31:22

it might not be with again without right you can tell

1:31:25

me that case

1:31:26

the feeling

1:31:27

the game believe anything

1:31:30

about

1:31:31

the way institutions or run

1:31:33

beyond like very simple satire

1:31:42

like i think i think

1:31:44

they do believe things i

1:31:46

wouldn't say that they're extremely thoughtful

1:31:48

about it is is though it like you don't

1:31:50

get a sense of there being an argument

1:31:53

we made a bit like honestly

1:31:55

it's vet like

1:31:59

talking

1:31:59

two

1:32:01

fairly nonpolitical friends who fundamentally

1:32:03

i'd like decent beliefs and the a decent

1:32:06

like intuitive , for like how

1:32:08

the world should be but really

1:32:10

that given that ton of thought to like

1:32:12

how we could be like that or what are the most of

1:32:14

stopping it from being like that and so like

1:32:17

that the level of analysis that

1:32:19

you get here is very much in forward by like

1:32:21

wow like

1:32:22

universities are too expensive and boy

1:32:25

is maybe they would be so expensive they want spending all this

1:32:27

money on marketing themselves or

1:32:29

to to students and

1:32:32

served present themselves as a young adult playground

1:32:34

a ravenous place of a higher learning

1:32:36

that's kind of as far as the argument goes

1:32:39

ah you know that i can tell is still little

1:32:41

baths that like innovative

1:32:44

be home or in the national i stay with his bed swear

1:32:47

you him centers one thing you evans i do

1:32:49

is like the am

1:32:51

your campus full snack machines

1:32:53

because like why

1:32:55

bring in revenue for you directly ah

1:32:58

his students running over the vending machine

1:33:00

and using math

1:33:02

but also like occasionally ah

1:33:05

the two point this

1:33:07

is the two point a fake brand for like cheetos

1:33:10

of cheesy gubbins they will

1:33:12

send like campus wraps to be like

1:33:14

are you providing enough cheesy gubbins to

1:33:16

your student body and they will give you a bonus of you do

1:33:18

like a significant bonus in the early

1:33:20

part of the game and like you know

1:33:23

if you're familiar with public high schools

1:33:25

and how those like vending machine contracts

1:33:27

play out and what has made like readily

1:33:29

accessible to students like yeah that's

1:33:31

how i dunno how big a deal that is in college

1:33:34

but that is for sure a dynamic i recognize

1:33:36

from high school where it was like

1:33:38

pepsi and frito-lay a

1:33:41

we're we're keenly interested in

1:33:44

in how students and what students were

1:33:46

eating a on campus

1:33:49

got it

1:33:51

yes i mean look at all i think it's

1:33:54

i'm having a nice time with my i wasn't sure

1:33:56

i would that's the that's the made them think

1:33:58

of my initial reaction

1:34:00

was were mostly arms spoke to him

1:34:03

a little to grow more the it's a little too

1:34:05

and dine ah not

1:34:08

i'll stick with it of he of is it's

1:34:10

it's rewarding enough as

1:34:12

you see more systems come together and

1:34:15

the demands be made

1:34:17

on you to sort of prestige up your

1:34:20

up your that kind of that's kind of the the progression

1:34:22

you doing is our the camp

1:34:24

out and use need to get more goodies

1:34:28

into the facility are to

1:34:30

proceed at higher and attract like

1:34:32

a higher level of of rating for your student

1:34:35

every year for university and higher up

1:34:37

you know like more to wish and said

1:34:39

that that's kind of our associate more

1:34:41

interesting ah is is

1:34:44

as you begin just running the physical limits

1:34:46

of how much in a crappy him even

1:34:48

jam and to the university it

1:34:51

is tied to a bit of a that

1:34:53

exploitative but is it has

1:34:55

in game on lox ah system

1:34:58

where as you complete missions you get their

1:35:00

their special like super currency ah

1:35:03

, is basically controlling the pace at

1:35:05

which you unlock these kinds of special

1:35:07

upgrades that you need that

1:35:09

kind of things you bring intuition money that

1:35:11

pays for ninety five percent of what you need by

1:35:14

to unlock ah like it and

1:35:16

special items like decorative

1:35:18

items you need

1:35:20

they're they're special like space box

1:35:22

so that's that's the that's the one the answer

1:35:24

the phone that the hook the strong you along

1:35:27

and we're since effective away

1:35:29

said it's it's it's better

1:35:31

than initially peers and the end

1:35:34

of mop and has not been a bad time ah

1:35:38

i am very curious

1:35:40

about

1:35:43

blind eyes you know you as a

1:35:46

heavy topic for today but

1:35:48

i do love

1:35:50

monarchies in the time of revolution know

1:35:53

i love i love my man

1:35:56

emperor's my love me

1:35:58

decay royal

1:35:59

the line

1:36:01

the father did you see

1:36:04

that makes sense than sense than

1:36:06

no wouldn't it be an already

1:36:08

out

1:36:09

the see the the tweet that

1:36:11

theme official twitter deleted

1:36:14

no no wait no every a

1:36:16

place feed me pet me here

1:36:19

and lengthy live in and embedding

1:36:21

whatever sided

1:36:24

before the news broke

1:36:26

seem three weekend play preceded

1:36:28

things three free this weekend's a forty percent

1:36:30

when you buy the game

1:36:33

why would you believe that if i am

1:36:35

a nerve

1:36:38

, as best i know encourage

1:36:40

people to play crusader kings on are

1:36:42

we going to the wheel the i marks

1:36:44

in that game you heard about that i

1:36:48

would say marketing departments but valve structured

1:36:50

doesn't that that's better you know yeah

1:36:52

you know company robbers don't like just

1:36:54

just you know what take the scheduled sweden today

1:36:56

but valve

1:36:58

i don't know that other guy goes jake

1:37:00

rodkin with the kind of person to

1:37:02

, because the structure their so we're

1:37:04

is ah

1:37:07

there's there's there's gonna be some all

1:37:09

time like cringe branded posts

1:37:11

a for sure around this dominoes

1:37:14

dominoes is already weighed in i can't

1:37:16

get over this cluster know a

1:37:18

thing uh-huh a if

1:37:20

you've seen that it's like i think

1:37:22

this is basically a shit posts that

1:37:25

men to draw this kind of attention ah

1:37:28

so yeah i kind of maybe

1:37:30

not as they appear to have deleted that ah

1:37:33