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what is up, people of the internet? Welcome back

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to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're

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your hosts. I'm Marques. I'm Andrew. And

0:41

I'm David. And this week, first I want to give a

0:43

little shout out to the previous episode, which was a bonus

0:46

episode. Midweek, we did our

0:48

end of the trivia season

0:50

extravaganza episode. If you didn't see

0:52

it because it was in bonus timing, go back

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and check it out. I won't spoil who won,

0:57

but now... It

0:59

was chaotic, of course. And now trivia

1:01

scores are reset 0-0. Carry

1:06

the ones. We're

1:09

tied, baby. We're all tied again. Feeling

1:12

good. I think we're saying this is season four. I

1:14

think that's what we're going with. OK. New

1:16

trivia season four, 2024. It just lines up.

1:18

It feels like a mess. Sure, fair.

1:21

Let's pull a Samsung. It's season 24 now. That's

1:25

what it is. No, today

1:27

we've got a whole bunch of interesting

1:29

stories kind of all across the map,

1:31

like Bard being renamed, rebranded, Samsung

1:34

claiming there is no such thing as a

1:36

picture and quoting me. Oh, no. And

1:39

Jared Rigg, everything doing a teardown of the Vision

1:41

Pro, wrapped up with a couple new

1:43

EVs that are surprisingly interesting. But first, I

1:46

have a number I want you guys to react to. OK.

1:48

OK. It's an interesting number. I just saw this as a

1:50

headline. And we'll link it below. PPI

1:53

count. Vision Pro. We

1:55

knew it was a high pixel per inch. But

1:57

just to give a little bit of context, the screen on

1:59

a an iPhone 15 Pro Max, 460 pixels per inch. That's

2:04

really good. I don't think most of us realize how

2:07

good that is. Like, you don't really see individual

2:09

pixels unless you're really up close looking for them.

2:12

400 plus pixels per inch is amazing. But

2:15

once you put it up to your face through lenses, it's

2:17

got to be even higher resolution to be convincing. So

2:20

HTC Vive Pro, 950 pixels

2:23

per inch to get that done. You're

2:25

trying to minimize the screen door effect. You're trying to

2:28

have as high resolution as possible to make things look

2:30

smooth. The latest and greatest,

2:32

Metacrest 3, 1218 pixels per inch.

2:39

That's pretty good, right? You can see where this

2:41

is going. In

2:44

Vision Pro, 3 18. 3,386

2:46

pixels per inch. That

2:53

is about 10 times more dense

2:55

than the original retina

2:57

display of the iPhone. Yeah. And

3:00

again, it's right up to your face. It's viewed

3:02

through lenses, but that's still the highest resolution display

3:04

as we've ever seen. I'm

3:06

kind of a pixel nerd. I love high resolution. This

3:09

made me very happy. Can we do pixels per inch

3:11

per dollar? Now we're talking.

3:13

So about it. Actually, then you

3:15

got to give it to the Quest, right? Quest

3:17

is only 500 bucks. You can do the

3:19

math better here now. Well, Vision Pro is 3000 for 3000. So

3:23

that's roughly one to one. 3,386

3:25

pixels per inch, 3,500 dollars. Give

3:28

or take, right? One to one. Quest

3:30

3 is 500 bucks and you're getting 1200 pixels per inch. That's

3:33

a win for the per dollar category for

3:35

Quest. That's true. Why would you ever buy

3:38

Vision Pro? Because you have more dollars to

3:40

spend. That's

3:43

just a fun thing I'd open the episode with. Anyway,

3:45

okay, first story I want to talk about. YouTube

3:49

adding, eh, testing a color

3:51

filter. You actually saw this on

3:53

your feed. Yeah, I came up on my feed. A

3:55

color filtering feature. I will say I never would have

3:57

noticed it unless David mentioned it the other day. Yeah,

4:00

because you saw the article about yeah, do you

4:02

want to explain or? YouTube

4:04

loves to make random experimental features

4:06

some are very useful evergreen like

4:10

summarizing your your chat or

4:12

summarizing your comment section some

4:14

are Questionable as

4:16

this one kind of is basically the

4:18

feature is that on for

4:20

some users This is just being tested on some

4:22

users and Andrew happened to be a lucky user

4:24

picked down my YouTube You

4:27

now have an option to sort

4:29

the your feed by the color

4:31

of the thumbnail With three

4:34

different colors you can either sort it by

4:36

red green or blue RGB in

4:40

practice this is strange

4:44

Vibes only you know purely

4:46

purely vibes Yeah,

4:48

so if you click one of them It basically

4:50

just shows you a bunch of thumbnails where the

4:53

primary color is a certain color there's

4:55

a verge article on it and The

4:57

test image that they showed the

4:59

first video was the autofocus model 3

5:03

Yeah, and then a bunch more videos that just

5:06

had a lot of red in the thumbnail which

5:08

says nothing about the contents of the video That's

5:10

what I was thinking like you're clicking a thumbnail

5:12

and then it's over you're watching the video It

5:14

could be a red video like if I'm okay.

5:16

It's a red car review sure. There's a lot of red

5:18

in the video, but Often

5:21

that's not true. Yeah, yeah I don't

5:23

it's just in the thumbnail, so it

5:25

doesn't even mean the video isn't yeah

5:28

Yeah, like yeah, so when it came up on

5:30

mine It just said craving something new and then

5:32

had three circles red blue green and

5:35

said creative feed of videos based off

5:37

color And enjoying exploring let's go Create

5:40

an aesthetic creative red thumbnail. It's like

5:42

yeah a temporary like

5:44

search of just like Color

5:47

thumbnail color base yeah thing is

5:50

I'm not mad because I would

5:52

never have thought about something this

5:54

stupid but Because

5:56

like I don't know some some dumb stupid stuff

5:58

is just kind of fun But

6:01

it's also just very strange. I

6:05

think they're just bored. YouTube,

6:07

if there's one thing that I've learned about YouTube over

6:09

the years, we've actually been privileged enough to get some

6:11

behind the scenes and talk to people who work for

6:14

YouTube. And that is a very, very large

6:17

ship with very many oars.

6:20

And yes, Neil is a CEO, but he

6:22

can point it in a direction and sort

6:24

of steer this big thing. When

6:26

they're so gigantic, any changes they

6:29

make are at scale,

6:31

no matter what they do. So if you

6:33

have a tiny little change that

6:35

affects 1% of the users on the

6:37

site, that affects 100 million

6:39

people. That's just what happens. And so

6:41

they run these experiments all the time where they're like, we

6:43

just want to kind of see what would happen if. And

6:46

they'll run an experiment that's like 0.01% of users, and

6:49

if it works well, maybe 0.02%. And

6:51

sometimes it mixes the whole site. Sometimes they just

6:53

go, yep, no more like button counter, no more

6:56

dislike button counter or whatever, and it's the whole site. And

6:58

that's a huge sweeping change everyone talks about. But

7:00

I feel like they run these tiny little experiments

7:03

all the time that nobody talks about that are

7:05

just as pointless feeling or even dumber than this

7:07

one. Yeah. I think they added

7:10

the Chrome game to it at some

7:12

point, like temporarily the dinosaur game, and

7:14

then it went away. I don't know.

7:16

It's very interesting. Yeah,

7:18

I think my best guess at what this would

7:20

attempt to be is, we've talked about it, we

7:22

weirdly talked about it not that long ago,

7:25

but not that long ago, but old sites

7:27

like StumbleUpon, where it's just kind of like,

7:29

hey, we're trying to get people to some

7:31

new things. Maybe your feed's a little stagnant.

7:33

Maybe the people you're subscribed to, you're not

7:35

enjoying as much. Here's like an opportunity to

7:37

find some people. Why they decided

7:39

like, I want to find

7:42

people with red thumbnails right now is the

7:44

route they went. Not totally sure.

7:47

Maybe something crazy unexpected happened that we didn't

7:49

know about, like when you just go blue

7:51

thumbnails, it's all videos about... I

7:53

feel like they shouldn't. I don't know. I have

7:55

no idea what happened, but maybe they found something

7:58

there. I'm going to create three new YouTube channels.

8:00

One called red one called green and one called

8:02

blue and just flood them with with colored videos

8:04

of that of that color So that way people

8:06

use this feature all my channels

8:08

get tons of views. I definitely thought you were about to

8:10

make a Pokemon reference Should

8:13

we do ABC testing where it's just

8:15

the same video except we do thumbnails

8:17

in red blue and green? That's actually

8:20

totally in the weeds But very valid

8:22

question because we have done a be

8:24

testing with different colors of the same

8:27

device Where Tim is

8:29

a wizard so we'll have one

8:31

iPhone video thumbnail and he'll change the

8:33

color of the phone I'm holding from

8:35

blue to titanium So we have two

8:37

of them and what we found is

8:39

it makes almost no difference unless there's

8:41

like an iconic color Which I thought titanium for

8:43

the iPhone was it would make a less than

8:45

1% difference. This is very funny We

8:48

got access to the multi thumbnail option

8:50

recently where you can submit two thumbnails

8:53

actually up to three Yeah,

8:55

and basically it'll do a be testing

8:57

and figure out what people are more

8:59

likely to click on which has a

9:01

higher click-through rate Exactly. Not exactly. It

9:04

tells you which one ended up delivering

9:06

a higher overall watch percentage Oh, okay,

9:08

which is like what YouTube wants not necessarily

9:10

what we want Yeah, which is have I said

9:12

this on the pod? I don't know actually It's

9:15

the opposite of what you would think so

9:17

when you're testing a thumbnail I think a

9:19

lot of people measure a good thumbnail as

9:22

high click-through rate Yeah, people saw the

9:24

thumbnail and clicked it good

9:26

thumbnail Yeah, people saw the thumbnail and

9:28

weren't interested bad thumbnail. So you'd measure

9:31

success by a high click-through percentage and

9:34

What YouTube is actually giving you when you

9:36

a B test is not the percentage at

9:38

all But it's the average

9:40

watch time of the viewer that clicked

9:42

that thumbnail. So let's say you have

9:45

thumbnail red thumbnail blue and People

9:48

watched 50% of the video when they watch thumbnail

9:50

red But they watched 80% of

9:52

the video with thumbnail blue you would

9:54

think Thumbnail blue is the winner because you

9:56

want to reward that really good metric But

9:59

what we started to to realize is if

10:02

you equalize all other

10:04

factors for your

10:06

own audience who would just click

10:08

whatever you post no matter what the thumbnail is, if

10:11

you have a horrible thumbnail, only

10:14

the most dedicated viewers will watch it and

10:16

give you a high watch percentage. So

10:19

a thumbnail with a bad click-through rate

10:21

will have a great average watch time.

10:24

Does that make sense? So

10:26

if you find you get 5% more

10:29

watch time with one thumbnail, maybe pick that one,

10:31

but if you find you get 40%

10:33

more watch time, it probably means the other one

10:35

is actually a horrible thumbnail. Yeah. And

10:38

watch time is very important and good because it can

10:40

play more ads, which generates more revenue for both YouTube

10:42

and the uploader. But

10:44

arguably sometimes you would just want more clicks. Well,

10:46

yeah. I would almost argue

10:48

YouTube wants it because they want more

10:50

people staying to do more ads. And

10:53

satisfied. And satisfied. That almost

10:55

argues for non-clickbait things because they don't want

10:57

people clicking things realizing it has nothing to

11:00

do with the thumbnail, which is true. But

11:02

let's be real, almost every YouTuber is looking

11:04

for the person to click because they've never

11:06

seen it before. The goal should be a

11:08

nice balance. You don't want to over-promise under-deliver.

11:10

That's a bad thumbnail that has a high

11:12

click-through rate and a low watch time. But

11:15

you also don't actually want to under-promise over-deliver

11:17

because people won't even click the thumbnail to

11:19

get rewarded in the first place. You want

11:21

to find the balance. This

11:23

metric is kind of sort of floating

11:25

in the middle. I do that on my YouTube channel,

11:27

which is why I get no views. But,

11:31

yeah, I intentionally make everything

11:33

look really ambiguous and complicated.

11:37

But ironically, when we do

11:39

the A-B testing on the thumbnails,

11:41

the percentage is almost

11:43

always 50.1 and

11:45

49.9, which to

11:47

me is like, that's probably

11:50

not statistically significant. But actually, if

11:52

it's close enough, YouTube will just

11:54

tell you it's a tie, whatever

11:56

you want. It won't even pick.

11:59

It Happens all the time. Yeah so we we are

12:01

high up to test bigger difference isn't them?

12:03

Maybe by color? Metastasis.

12:06

The Fall Read them. Now it maybe that's

12:08

what you read. I read, phone, read back.

12:10

Maybe Youtube was like. We tried this multi

12:13

thumbnail thing and it isn't giving us any

12:15

relevant data. So let's just throw writhing in

12:17

a while and do colors that sell a

12:19

village his you tube releasing new features. feels

12:22

like whenever we get a new Maryland's camera

12:24

that also sheets videos, it's like Felix. Hey,

12:26

we're giving you this thing that you really

12:28

want. Burrell. Singing House screw something

12:30

up with they were It doesn't even really give

12:32

you everything you want like flag we wanted ab

12:35

testing but they're like we just had a sprinkle

12:37

in a little bit of arms. Miss raised here

12:39

as well so you can constantly being a discord

12:41

channeling. yeah trying to figure out how this actually

12:43

where I mean I get it if you tube

12:45

robot a feature where they're just will tell you

12:47

which one has a higher here click through rate

12:49

people just continued for optimized for that more and

12:52

more and more click baiting. Yeah now I get

12:54

as a good point and eight the get that

12:56

but that's where we find ourselves as sorting by

12:58

red, blue and green a time. Anyway, anyway,

13:00

okay. Yes, The first actual story

13:03

though. Yeah, from Google again. Barred.

13:06

Member. Barred. The. Artist formerly

13:08

known as Barred My dad about as

13:10

not called hard anymore so we can

13:13

we can jump right into what actually

13:15

happened. But essentially there is an update

13:17

for Google Assistant with Barred. On

13:20

our Android phones that is now just

13:22

calling it. Gemini. And

13:24

Gemini was already the name of I think

13:27

the Lord language model at was underneath a

13:29

lot of what it did. Yeah, but now

13:31

they're just calling the whole thing Gemini and

13:33

the name bar it is just gone yet.

13:36

So they're getting rid of the Bard branding

13:38

altogether. The Com which is the most Google

13:40

thing I've ever heard, saw Thousand Know develop,

13:42

developed some brand identity for a year and

13:45

then just feel like say okay and make

13:47

it a whole new one. That's also that

13:49

Google Assistant when they already had to google

13:51

assistant raining says twenty six cents. ah

13:53

anyway what's happening is they are

13:56

basically rolling out a mobile app

13:58

for a gemini which is called

14:00

Gemini Advanced that uses

14:03

Gemini Ultra 1.0. Sick.

14:06

So there's gonna be a dedicated app for

14:09

it. I don't think there was a dedicated app for

14:11

Bard, right? Right. Yeah, so you just

14:13

had to use it in the mobile app. Yeah,

14:15

or yeah, in the browser. So

14:19

yeah, that's basically the news.

14:21

It's kind of very Google

14:23

to just throw away this brand identity and

14:25

name and everything. I will

14:27

say though, we have been testing Gemini

14:31

Advanced with

14:33

Ultra 1.0 for the

14:35

last couple of months. On a couple different phones. On

14:37

a couple different phones. And it's been

14:39

really, really good, at least for me. I've

14:42

been using it for research purposes and I do

14:44

fact check everything it tells me. But

14:48

it hasn't really been hallucinating almost at all,

14:50

which has been really useful. And I've been

14:52

looking at very niche things that I need

14:54

for specific videos that I'm working on that

14:57

are really hard to Google correctly. Ellis could

14:59

have used that for the prices of 1975

15:01

UCR. Yeah,

15:03

if it was able to link them to things. Yeah, it can

15:06

source maybe a little. But I was able to say,

15:08

explain this to me like I'm 12 and

15:10

it will actually give me analogies. I

15:13

love that. Pretty awesome. Yeah, there's all kinds of

15:15

hacks and things that work really well with it.

15:17

I love it. I think we're all kind of

15:19

expecting this to be a thing across all the

15:21

assistants. The Mobile Assistant series

15:24

is long overdue for an update. There's all these rumors

15:26

they keep seeing about a large language model and a

15:28

big Siri update and all these helpful functions. I think

15:30

they would be awesome to see that also. Bixby

15:35

kind of. I

15:38

don't know why that wasn't part of the Samsung

15:40

AI update. It was kind of confusing how Bixby

15:43

didn't get any love, but then there's tons of

15:45

AI all around Bixby. Whatever,

15:47

anyway. So Google Assistant, yeah. I think I've used

15:49

it again for a lot of similar stuff to

15:51

you and Gemini 1.0 with Gemini Ultra.

15:54

I'm gonna, yeah. This is the thing about rebranding. Was

15:56

it a Gemini with Ultra 1.0? Gemini

15:58

Ultra 1.0. The Gemini? Yeah,

16:01

and not to do a Quincy's

16:03

with that Artlessness movie. And.

16:06

It has. A lot of overlap

16:08

with the stuff that I was using Google Assistant

16:10

for, but it also actually didn't do some of

16:12

the things that assists and did do so it's

16:14

like picking up mostly were assistant left off for.

16:16

Man, it does have way more of that fun

16:19

stuff like explaining things and generating things. But.

16:21

I I needed to like loop and

16:23

you can have your own control and

16:25

stuff like that that's like yeah so

16:27

like this is sort of the whole

16:29

like what's going on My brain started

16:31

to hurt saying that meds going on

16:33

with the Google Assistant thing is like

16:35

everyone just assumes that Google was just

16:37

going to add large language model capabilities

16:40

to straight to New Assistant has Google

16:42

Assistant The like a D branding has

16:44

very strong brand recognition. It's been around

16:46

since twenty sixteen. It's in a ton

16:48

of of like smart speakers it's and

16:50

people's cars and Android. Auto like. they've

16:52

been using that hot word and that

16:54

Google Assistant logo is recognizable the most

16:56

people? Yes! So for them to like

16:58

be developing this whole separate the on

17:00

the side to still very strange. I

17:02

assume that they were doing that with

17:04

barred. So. They could develop

17:06

it and make it not hallucinate and

17:08

lie to you before. They couple did

17:10

in with google Sustain which has the

17:12

ability to like control your home and

17:15

more stuff. I

17:17

don't really know why they didn't just keep developing

17:19

barred until it was ready to couple in with

17:21

google assistant. I knew they were going to kill

17:23

Bark at some point. But. Why

17:26

are they rebranding and already I have no

17:28

idea either bringing things confusing to me. yeah

17:30

I just as someone who hasn't gone to

17:32

test it so I've no really and put

17:34

in this what I will say is barred

17:36

is a great name but offers had they're

17:38

getting rid of it I'd much rather when

17:40

a geiger to that point Hey Bart. Yo.

17:42

Barred. Well. As though the like wake

17:45

up words. hey

17:48

g the whole thing's is extremely annoying to say

17:50

and i feel like it is mumble it to

17:52

the point where now does a really rec him

17:54

as many more paid is gonna be annoying if

17:56

there's someone in the future who wants out it's

17:58

also where they are No, no, no, there

18:01

isn't a hot word for this. Well if

18:03

it does go to do you think it

18:05

just gets you said if it eventually pairs

18:07

I think eventually they're going to it's gonna

18:09

be Google assistant powered by Jim. Okay. Yeah,

18:12

so it's still annoying Google to say Yes,

18:15

I want hey Bard. That's so much better. Well, you

18:17

can forget about Bard. Yeah that it's also there's like

18:19

a little balance I have to strike of it can't

18:22

be too easy to say because he might accidentally say

18:24

it with other syllables Very air

18:26

both. Yeah. Well the accidental triggers

18:28

on Siri go Whenever

18:35

I say sorry it always yeah, so yeah,

18:37

there's a there's a balancing act but I

18:40

agree Yeah, it's a little confusing that it

18:42

is developed in the service separate Silo

18:44

from Google assistant and then I suppose

18:47

at some point eventually it'll be good enough

18:49

that they feel like combining it all into

18:52

one mega new rebranded named thing I know

18:54

but I feel like they're just gonna name

18:56

it Siri eventually. Yeah, that's the loop we're

18:58

gonna encounter It'll be called Google messenger. I

19:00

just want to read a I

19:03

just want to read a quote from like the the press release

19:05

that they sent me All right, Bard

19:07

will be called Gemini and we're rolling out

19:10

a mobile app and Gemini advanced with ultra

19:12

1.0 It's

19:14

not confusing at all. Okay, so

19:17

It's a lot of words sounds like some startup event

19:19

where you're just like I think I

19:21

understand. I'm too embarrassed to ask if I wait

19:23

I just have a theory is Gemini the constellation

19:25

now. Yes, and we always see the stars

19:28

to represent the AI thing Yeah, maybe that's

19:30

why they had a reason

19:32

why they called it Gemini. They publicly said

19:34

that David why do

19:36

these the twinkly stars representing going to

19:38

Japan to find out? Oh Yeah,

19:41

I'm interviewing the guy who invented the

19:43

emoji in Japan. Mm-hmm on there It's

19:47

gonna explain everything. I hope so Okay,

19:51

yeah, I want to know how big the team

19:53

at Google is that just names things Do

19:56

you think there's at least a hundred employees that are

19:58

just naming things or do you think it's all? the

20:00

teams that are naming. I think it's one

20:02

employee and he's 15 feet tall and there's

20:04

this giant chair and they go in and

20:06

they go oh king of names what shall

20:08

we name this and he goes Gemini.

20:12

And they go oh wait never mind. Ellis

20:14

that was all embargoed we weren't allowed to

20:16

say that. So this is

20:19

actually way too in the weeds

20:21

and only really makes sense for people

20:23

that were working at Google at the

20:25

time. Yeah it's not a really fun

20:27

reason why they called the Gemini. The

20:29

reason they call it Gemini is because

20:31

the astrological sign for Gemini is the

20:34

twins right. Yeah it's palm and lambda.

20:36

No no no no when they had

20:38

Google DeepMind and Google Brain

20:40

both at Google at

20:42

the same time that were kind of doing

20:44

very similar tasks they merged them. There was

20:47

a trivia question about it. I feel like

20:49

yeah this sounds familiar. The merger of Google

20:52

DeepMind and Google Brain into just

20:54

Google DeepMind. They called it

20:56

Gemini because they were merging the twins which

20:59

is what happens in the constellation. And it also

21:01

is a constellation which is stars and now it's

21:03

associated with the stars. Bart

21:06

is better. That giant does good work. I

21:08

also love this quote the twins were the brain

21:10

team which worked on LLM such as palm and

21:12

the DeepMind team which weren't worked on the Chinchilla

21:15

project. What's the Chinchilla project? I don't know. Ask

21:17

the guy in the big chair. Click that link

21:19

right now. That's like a horror movie. Chinchilla

21:22

project. The dog looking

21:24

at a lemon meringue

21:26

pie. Anyway yeah so

21:28

so that'll be fun

21:31

and I'm kind of excited that

21:33

there was going to be a dedicated app for

21:35

it and I'm hoping that you'll

21:37

be able to map that to the

21:39

action button on the iPhone 15 because

21:42

previously we've been testing the

21:45

bard with Gemini capabilities.

21:47

Bard advanced because Gemini

21:50

1.0 in it which is

21:52

now. Ultra 1.0. Yeah we.

21:54

Sorry I didn't want. No you're

21:56

right. I'm just frustrated. We've been

21:58

testing that But. You

22:00

weren't able previously to launch the

22:02

app immediately with the action button

22:04

on. I have nothing. You can

22:06

only launched the Google app because

22:08

the only way to actually interact

22:10

with the bard advanced things with

22:12

in the google app instead of

22:14

the assistant app. So. You

22:17

guys are all. Probably. I really bored

22:20

right now assisting us wake up. Okay,

22:22

let's consider Bike as the new I

22:24

school. Or yeah, I like

22:26

it. It's going pretty colors. Know that this

22:28

new. What's.

22:30

The Weather tomorrow. Big.

22:32

Tax. And then

22:34

pacific and it looks as writing or

22:36

urinary. I'll describe what I'm saying bio

22:38

and Syria. Has. Don't think? yeah. And

22:41

I like the stars. Yeah, Anyway,

22:44

That would be that. let's move on.

22:46

Let's move on. This move on to

22:48

something that also won't take forever to

22:50

talk about to stay one. Sensing

22:52

executive says there's no such thing as a

22:55

real picture. my yeah I got events. if

22:57

I'm remembering I have a survey asked her

22:59

I can see the steam coming out of

23:01

David The on my radar. This headliner like

23:03

that's crazy that he just said it was

23:06

an eye Open the Verge article and it

23:08

starts with the Samsung V P saying there

23:10

is a very nice video by Marquez Brownlee.

23:12

Last year and I went off to suffer

23:15

of Zoc whole basis of a sudden a

23:17

lot of years older people aren't of us

23:19

foot it's basically. His

23:21

argument as the full on

23:23

philosophical what? what's the picture

23:25

anyway like. If you expose

23:27

the sensor and it goes through algorithms

23:29

to decide what to showing your screen,

23:32

it's just making enough. It's. Not

23:34

there's no real picture. Save his ticket the

23:36

breath as a film photography as the only

23:38

way to take a real photo and as

23:40

he probably would. Who would say to your

23:43

literally having photons just hit the silver hell

23:45

I'd presses and create a negative that is.

23:47

I think the only way to take a

23:50

real. Photo. which is based

23:52

on photon doesn't it make a difference what

23:54

some stock is the not really to do

23:56

double yellow you're still capturing the photons like

23:58

a when i capturing i guess So wait, doesn't

24:00

it come out differently based on the film stuff? It does.

24:03

So then would you argue that maybe only some film stock

24:05

is a real photo and the other one is adding too

24:07

much of a stylization to it? They all add a stylization.

24:09

Also, when you include wax and white. It sounds like not

24:11

a photo to me. Sounds like a

24:13

little different to me. You only make a real photo

24:15

if you shoot it on film and then you use

24:18

it in larger to print with

24:20

photosensitive chemicals and it in larger with a

24:23

bunch of light. Because as soon

24:25

as you scan, the scanner also digitizes it

24:27

and puts it through, like if you use

24:29

a Fuji scanner versus like, there's all these

24:31

different scanners and they apply different looks. I

24:33

feel like your argument just was the same

24:36

argument that I had, but you

24:38

said I was wrong. I

24:40

think you're all agreeing there's no such thing as a real photo. I

24:43

think that's what you're saying. Well, then what is a photo? I'm

24:45

just saying. Here we go. If there is no such as a

24:47

question. I also hope you know I'm mostly just screwing. I know,

24:50

I know. Okay. I know. I'm

24:52

angry. You

24:55

can even make the argument that the photo

24:57

part ends as soon as it passes through

24:59

a lens because the light would have never

25:01

been focused that way. It would have just

25:03

bounded off ambiently. I

25:06

just think it's funny that. I'm removing photo from

25:08

the English dictionary. Yeah, this is a stupid thing

25:11

to say, but we used to always just say whenever

25:13

we talked about AI stuff like what is a picture

25:15

and you used to get comments being like, can you

25:17

guys shut up with this thing? Just what is a

25:19

picture? I think the Samsung executive is

25:21

also throwing that card. But I hate that he's quoting

25:23

us. I know. They

25:26

don't think it's a picture. We don't think

25:28

it's a picture. Nothing's a picture. It's fine.

25:31

Everything's fine. This is also the same company that

25:33

like plasters the moon onto the picture. That's

25:35

what he referenced. That's what he's referencing. He literally,

25:37

okay, I'll just read the quote because he said,

25:39

he told Tech Radar, there's a very nice video

25:41

by Marquez Brownlee last year on the moon picture. Everyone

25:43

was like, is it fake? Is it not fake? There's

25:46

a debate around what constitutes a real picture and actually

25:48

there's no such thing as a real picture. As

25:50

soon as you have sensors to capture something, you reproduce

25:52

what you're seeing and doesn't mean anything. There's no real

25:54

picture. You can try to define a real picture by

25:57

saying I took it, but there's

25:59

AI. Autofocus is it real or

26:01

is it all filters? There's no real picture Full

26:04

stop that guy I hope that

26:06

guy hires a wedding photographer at some point

26:08

as he just gets back a bunch of

26:10

mid-journey What

26:15

did you hire me to do what am I paying you for? Is

26:19

generated them with Gemini you said that technically

26:21

the lens would change it But our eyes

26:23

are also lenses that bend the light and

26:25

for a different lens. Yeah, but we're not

26:27

yeah But we're not taking my

26:30

we're not taking photos. We're leaving life.

26:32

We're getting a constant stream of photos

26:36

The speed at which are So

26:39

we can't actually see is what

26:41

you're saying Well, we see everything upside down

26:43

but our brains flip them. We also see

26:45

in latency also color doesn't exist It's so

26:47

what you're now manually breathing because

26:49

everything is the everything is the way of

26:51

life They were fucked everyone. You heard it

26:53

here first. Nothing is real everything but right

26:56

commit crimes Do

26:58

it Okay

27:04

No, okay this question don't do that

27:06

people the madness you can do anything

27:08

kids It's like having the one ring.

27:10

It's just Sam said so I kind

27:12

of feel like his own quote here

27:14

like kind of Argues

27:16

from against himself. He's like you can try and define

27:18

a real picture by saying I took that picture But

27:21

if you use AI to optimize the zoom the

27:23

autofocus the scene, is it real or is it

27:25

filters? There's no real picture full stop. It kind

27:28

of sounds like you're saying Well, if you don't

27:30

use AI or zoom or an autofocus then it

27:32

is a real picture But he's

27:34

still saying as soon as you have sensors to cap.

27:36

Yeah Also, I love

27:38

how he brings up the moon thing and then

27:40

he completely diverts away from it Arguably

27:42

the man of the bus man. It feels like

27:44

he's using all these other things to Basically

27:47

say like no that definitely was not a

27:49

real picture and we got caught doing it

27:51

He's saying yeah, we got caught but photos

27:53

don't exist. Anyway, why are you mad? Actually,

27:57

basically, yeah, there were never

27:59

photos to begin So what are you

28:01

so mad about? I'm just showing you the moon you

28:03

were taking a picture of in the first place Yeah,

28:05

we need to go to the next Samsung event and

28:07

when they say the s25 takes

28:09

great photos You just go there's no such thing

28:11

as photos What

28:13

section of reviews what is Wikipedia defined

28:16

photo as? I'm

28:19

looking photograph. Okay a photograph

28:22

Also known as photo image or picture is

28:25

an image created by light falling on

28:27

a photosensitive surface usually

28:29

photographic film or electronic image sensor so

28:32

like So just the light

28:35

hitting the sensor is the photo none

28:37

of the processing pipe is created by

28:39

the light falling on

28:41

the photosensitive surface That's

28:43

technically incorrect because the light hitting the

28:45

sensor doesn't create anything until the sensor

28:47

goes all right Here's the data to

28:49

the processor. Here's the processing and you

28:51

made a thing that's created by light

28:53

falling on the photosensitive surface So

28:56

the light it is created by it because

28:58

the light falls on the CCD sensor or

29:00

on the but if it's off nothing happens

29:02

I wasn't how light ever falls. I like

29:04

I like Wikipedia

29:07

page. I like that definition because

29:10

no matter What processing

29:12

the camera is doing it's still

29:15

photo It's still working like

29:18

there there's an input which is the light

29:20

on the sensor and then there's an output

29:22

Which is a file that we can see

29:24

we can say it's a photograph exactly with

29:26

the moon thing for example Those

29:28

pixels were not informed by light hitting the

29:30

sensor They were informed by light hitting a

29:32

sensor at some point somewhere else, but then

29:34

at that point it's the same as a

29:36

code Oh, yeah, which we've all decided. Oh,

29:38

everything else is Mark. I was gonna rock

29:41

my They only showed

29:43

up there because of the way light

29:45

was hitting the sensor and then it

29:47

said Oh moon. Yeah, but

29:50

Because of the way the way that's a

29:53

meta decision and not not an image It

29:56

was automatically triggered by the light hitting a

29:58

sensor a certain way That's true. Yeah,

30:01

I know that. But here's

30:03

my argument, and we might have to cut this.

30:05

Oh no. Yeah,

30:08

I appreciate you going before.

30:11

But if an

30:14

actor is on the cover of a

30:16

magazine, and he

30:19

is super ugly, someone

30:22

will Photoshop him to be less ugly

30:24

before he's on the cover of that

30:26

magazine. Him being that

30:29

ugly in the original picture is

30:31

what triggered the decision to alter the photograph,

30:33

to composite it into a new image. And

30:36

it's the same thing, where something in the original

30:39

image triggered a compositing

30:41

behavior. But we would all say that's

30:43

not a real photograph. He's actually ugly.

30:45

Right. So that's how I feel about

30:47

the moon thing. It's like, yes, you're right. Something

30:50

happened at the input stage that made

30:52

it do this work.

30:54

But because the actual image work is

30:56

a composite job, I'm

30:58

saying not photo, which is why I like to do this. OK,

31:01

I have something I'm going to use based on that, Ellis. OK.

31:04

Yeah. So almost every smartphone

31:06

uses multi-frame HDR now.

31:09

Right. And so having an image

31:11

that is either too bright or

31:13

too dark informs the phone

31:16

to need to take multiple shots. Right. Which

31:19

is composite. I was just also going to say so many

31:21

phones do just automatic skin smoothing, which

31:23

is essentially the exact thing you were just talking

31:25

about. OK. So phones aren't

31:27

pictures. So phones are not photos. But

31:29

photos are real. Photos are real.

31:31

Photos are real, guys. Full stop. I would say

31:33

you're not a real photographer unless you

31:36

have a real camera. That's

31:38

how we go. Welcome to the Goalpost

31:40

Podcast. We've moved it so many times.

31:43

Am I the only one that agrees with

31:45

him? I love to geek. No, I think

31:48

I kind of technically agree with him in

31:50

that my definition of a photo, like if

31:52

you just have light hitting a sensor but

31:54

it's off, nothing happens. And

31:57

I think the second that the sensor is on...

32:00

and has to turn that light information

32:02

into data. It is being processed and

32:04

it is now in the realm of

32:06

no longer actually, no, it's a photo.

32:08

A photo. Yeah, I would say it's

32:10

not a photo. It's not a photo. Yeah. It's

32:13

being processed. If we go by the Wikipedia definition,

32:16

which I think is a good one. I think it's

32:18

a safe one. It brings us back to reality a

32:20

little bit, right? It's like if

32:23

we go by this and it just says

32:25

an image created by light falling on a

32:27

photographic surface such as a photographic film or

32:29

electronic image sensor, we can just say everything

32:32

is a photo

32:34

but it was,

32:37

but like a smartphone photo was

32:39

heavily altered by AI or multi-frame

32:41

HDR. So it's things are

32:43

all, all things are photos, but how were

32:45

they altered? I like that. So

32:47

the output isn't a photo? No.

32:51

No. I can't

32:53

wait for the next Verge article where the photo. It's

32:55

an altered photo. An altered photo. An altered photo.

32:58

It has a little watermark of stars that you

33:00

can then remove. The AI. The

33:02

only AI one. Until you automatically remove it.

33:05

Every photo is an altered photo unless you

33:07

take it on a real camera. It's

33:10

Schrodinger's images. And actually those are altered.

33:12

There are no because of JPEG compression.

33:15

Anyway, so wait. What?

33:17

We officially have gotten nowhere. This is

33:19

a six hour podcast. We

33:22

have gotten somewhere and that is a stupid thing

33:24

to say. Maybe don't put that in. Wow. That

33:27

is a stupid thing to say. If you're an executive,

33:29

don't throw us under the bus like this. Oh, I

33:31

feel like they're already getting ready to quote Marques for

33:33

the next time they talk about this. So

33:36

yeah, that would be a mistake. Credit us

33:38

all please. Yeah. Or don't. Comment

33:40

in the comment section about what a real photo is. I

33:43

think it's a great time to take a break. I think I need

33:45

a smoke break. It's

33:48

trivia season four. Season four.

33:51

Zero zero zero. Everyone is tied

33:53

up. Zero zero zero. First question. What

33:56

is a photo? First question.

33:59

What were the five? yes five

34:02

iPhone 5c colors ooh

34:04

you have to get all five to get

34:07

a single point get a single point whoa

34:09

yep all or nothing proposition

34:11

what is the color denied colors

34:14

aren't real yeah everything but green

34:16

everything but yes yes

34:20

keep going keep going yeah okay

34:23

now yeah we'll think about that they're all pale I remember

34:25

that because they're plastic pale

34:27

plastic colors did C stand for cheap

34:29

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welcome back. Let's talk about... We've

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got like two more sections that are fairly

36:13

focused, unlike the last section. The

36:15

last section was focused up until

36:17

we... I think we did an

36:19

admirable job of not... Okay. It

36:23

was very focused. It was very second

36:25

half of podcast to start. Yeah. Google,

36:27

Google, chaos. I thought

36:30

I was smart. I never did. This

36:32

middle section, we can talk Vision Pro updates because there

36:34

are some Vision Pro updates already. We learned some new

36:36

things and it's also gotten an update. The

36:39

main fun thing... Is it fun?

36:41

I don't know. Yeah. It was... Derek,

36:44

everything. He did his usual taking apart and durability

36:46

testing. Fun fact, like one of the top comments

36:48

on our video about Vision Pro was, I can't

36:51

wait for this to be scratches

36:53

at level six with deeper at level seven. Like that was

36:55

like a 40,000 like comment on

36:57

our video. Turns out it

37:00

scratched at level two with deeper

37:02

grooves at level three. So we're trying to figure

37:04

out what's going on. If you watch Zach's video,

37:07

Apple does claim the Vision Pro

37:09

has laminated glass on the front,

37:11

which is less scratch resistant, but

37:14

more crack resistant potentially. It kind

37:18

of is like a screen protector that comes

37:20

pre-installed on a phone. So you can, and

37:22

we actually have accidentally already gotten a little

37:25

scratch on the outside of the Vision Pro.

37:28

Ideally, this will not affect the performance of

37:30

the Vision Pro. Also update, it was actually

37:32

scratches at level three with deeper grooves at

37:34

level three. Yeah, my bad. I wrote that

37:37

down wrong. Got it. So yeah, it's notably

37:39

not just glass on the outside of the

37:41

Vision Pro. It still smudges like glass. It

37:43

still fingerprints like glass. That carrying

37:45

cloth that they give you, I think

37:48

it's actually good to use it all the time

37:50

because I suspect that the sensors are trying to

37:52

see through the smudges and the cleaner you can

37:54

keep it, the better the performance will be. So

37:56

that's all good to know. But yeah, that outside

37:59

layer is... a little bit of

38:01

a composite going on. Yeah, and if

38:03

you scratch it over those sensors, that's

38:06

bad. We were talking about AppleCare for

38:08

this thing, and AppleCare for the Vision Pro is $500, but

38:11

what it gets you is $500 off of

38:15

replacing the outside glass. So it would normally

38:17

be like $800, but

38:19

now it's $300 with AppleCare. I

38:21

guess like it's a little different. So it's $500 over

38:24

two years. If

38:27

you break the glass, it costs $299 to replace. So

38:31

if you break it one time, it

38:33

costs about $800, which if you break

38:35

it without AppleCare, it costs about $800. But

38:38

it's a little better if you plan on breaking it

38:40

more than once in two years, because then you only

38:42

pay another $300. That's

38:44

like the worst AppleCare. You're basically losing

38:46

money if you don't. You should get

38:49

AppleCare if you plan on breaking it

38:51

more than once, basically. Over two years.

38:53

Over two years, yeah. The thing is,

38:55

and this is one of those new

38:57

form factors for Apple anyway, where we're

38:59

about to get a lot of data on how often this

39:01

thing breaks. When you pick it up, I think a lot

39:03

of people's instinct is to pick it up by the light seal, but

39:06

it's just a magnetically attached lightweight plastic thing. And if you

39:08

pick it up by the light seal, you can just drop

39:10

the headset. You have to remember to pick it up by

39:12

the metal. And it's kind of weird to pick

39:14

it up by the glass on the front, because I think I'm

39:16

smudging it every time I do. So it's

39:19

kind of an interesting learning curve there. I would

39:21

say like, well, when we have the

39:23

dual loop one up, that's easier to just grab the

39:25

top loop, because it feels right. But

39:27

yeah, all the time I'm like, oh, I'm about to pick

39:29

up the glass. I don't want to smudge it. So I

39:32

just pick up the light seal and then like, it

39:34

like starts falling off and I catch it.

39:36

Yeah, with the Quest, I just grab the

39:38

front. I don't care, because it's just plastic

39:40

on the front, mostly. During our demo sessions,

39:42

they specifically were like, put your thumb in

39:44

the center where the nose

39:47

bridge is, and then put your other fingers

39:49

on the top. So on

39:51

the metal part, you pick it up that

39:53

way, and then you do that. But it's

39:55

like, that's so real, you're holding it wrong,

39:57

right? Yeah, yeah. People have had specific holding.

40:00

in the options before I put it that way.

40:02

Yeah. Yeah. So so that watch that video. It's

40:04

linked in the description. It is pretty detailed. I

40:06

would never be able to do what he does

40:08

with a knife in the vision Pro. So it's

40:11

also really cool because he like rips all the

40:13

cloth interior and the screens out and like seeing

40:15

the inside of it even he says it's like

40:18

is very it's beautiful inside. So I was put

40:20

together it is that people kind of gave me

40:22

a little bit of flag for that when I

40:24

said this thing is very efficiently built. It actually

40:26

is even though yes it is metal and has

40:28

a lot of glass and those choices are

40:30

not efficient but with those things

40:32

that they've decided to do the

40:34

thing is tightly compact. Maybe us

40:36

humans aren't efficient enough for the

40:38

glory that is vision Pro. It

40:40

has carbon fiber magnesium

40:44

multiple motors and hinges

40:46

fans vents glass computers

40:49

dedicated processing chips ram

40:51

battery on the side. It's got a lot got a

40:54

lot of it's got a lot of lightning. Yeah. It's

40:57

really funny. So the someone right

40:59

before it officially came out had

41:02

in the on the battery put a

41:04

some removal tool in the battery to

41:07

pop out that non-removable cable and

41:09

it turns out it's like lightning plus it

41:12

looks just like even better. The cable

41:15

the like connector that connects the

41:17

headphone portion of it to the

41:19

rest of the headset is like

41:21

lightning Mac. So I have that

41:23

pro Mac because I bought the

41:25

development cable. Oh yeah which plugs

41:27

directly in so you'd have to

41:29

take the SIM card tray ejected

41:31

or whatever and plug this in to

41:33

get USB out straight out of the vision Pro.

41:35

Yeah. And so yeah I've got this giant slightly

41:38

curved lightning cable. Interesting.

41:41

And there's just lightning everywhere. Yeah this thing

41:43

they they can't help themselves. They love the

41:45

real lightning. I saw an article earlier today

41:48

that was just like that says that it's

41:50

a three hundred dollar developer strap right.

41:52

Yeah. And apparently sorry I paid

41:55

Three dollars. Apparently it's only

41:57

USB to also. My

42:01

Why. I

42:03

guess is only going to be a number

42:05

of developers that do that and they preyed

42:07

on care about Speeds Express. But we're not

42:10

developers. I mean you're You're loading app on

42:12

of the Vision Pro. You're like testing and

42:14

and really nice area of wrath. Servant they

42:16

brought. We bought it because we wanted to

42:18

hope that it's potentially gonna let us feedback

42:21

video in the actual forte without stuttering the

42:23

device right zach as we would like speed

42:25

in terms of sending a backbone. Of.

42:28

Feeling it's like a new that I'm gonna

42:30

try. I'll keep you posted as the words

42:32

cm will think. Yeah. No

42:34

cases they don't have in prose. Also pretty incredible

42:36

majesty Nat yeah even like walks around New York

42:38

City and I ever got a different like angle

42:40

to look at vision pro his was just like.

42:43

Walking. Around with it me and seeing

42:45

people's reactions like vintage Casey around the

42:47

city. And some of the scene

42:49

of my video or hilarious some him in the

42:52

donut shop. I. Don't This is the thing

42:54

about like using Division Pro. They're all kinds

42:56

of videos now of people wandering around outside

42:58

using Division Pro and they're all going viral

43:00

on. They're all really dystopian and I were

43:02

so screwed that they're all behind the drivers

43:04

to censor office. Seventy five percent of them

43:06

are either sake because you see I'm doing

43:08

all sorts of that actually don't make sense

43:10

and a vision pro or they're just weird

43:12

decisions to use it in that place like

43:15

I feel like we talk about this last

43:17

time I use it. Half. In

43:19

the same sort of. Time that

43:21

I would have use an I pad. Because.

43:23

Of the of it I crossing the street

43:25

like moving windows around like I wouldn't be

43:28

on my ipad crossing the street gang windows

43:30

or yeah yeah yeah but you could envision

43:32

pro so they're doing it anyway. Casey has

43:34

this scene where he's and like a donut

43:36

shop and he like loads up the dinosaur

43:38

demo was comes pre installed and literally like

43:40

has the butterfly land on a donor and

43:43

he cuts back and forth to like him

43:45

with this incredibly Martha's experience and a dinosaur

43:47

and a butterfly landing on a dynamic roughly

43:49

outline on of people like watching a guy

43:51

like. Having

43:53

a go. Not as like it doesn't look.

43:56

it's hilarious. I love it and weren't allowed.

43:58

His volume is on that. That is

44:00

just is Dinosaurs is roaring at like very

44:02

loud a lot of app on the this

44:04

man it's so loud. I love

44:06

I'm captain Disillusion out a tweet about somebody using

44:08

a on the subway and he said when on

44:11

public and someone glances at me for a microsecond

44:13

too long I rush attract if maybe a strand

44:15

of hair is slightly out of place. I could

44:17

never do this. Wearing. Vision

44:19

from public is a choice is a

44:21

choice. I have been very vocal about

44:23

my desire to is on a plane.

44:26

I. Have to admit, There's. A little

44:28

part of me that's a little worried about

44:30

what that looks like. Yeah, but I'm gonna

44:32

do anyway. I think that he will become

44:34

normalized. You know, I think normalized in not

44:37

in public Like onto in take the Greenland

44:39

Executive That good. That on the plan? Yeah,

44:41

yeah yeah, because you'd you'd have an I

44:43

pad on the plane or the I pad

44:45

and random places. not science. Yes,

44:48

I don't think all the yeah it will not

44:50

be normalized as this like walking around have ever

44:52

seen people especially because. You

44:54

have to like if you actually want window to

44:56

do anything yet the pinch them and bring them

44:58

with you or else they just disappear so it

45:00

and literally makes no seven hundred they are vet

45:02

have been like this is the only products for

45:05

I can legitimately lose virtual displays the throughout my

45:07

house like our did I leave out there that's

45:09

really funny part of viral photo were some of

45:11

like oh that's where I love this and you

45:13

tube was just in in front of a toilet.

45:18

Exactly what happens. And it is.

45:20

Davis it is. Stay there were

45:22

incredible. It's a feature. Yeah, it.

45:24

Is a feature because a lot of people

45:26

like the idea is throughout your house indifferent

45:28

and like media centers like in front of

45:30

your computer hub. you've got certain apps and

45:33

then sitting on the couch you've got a

45:35

giant screen like where your Tv my be

45:37

of and for that can I use get

45:39

that's pretty cool the can just use one

45:42

Had said to like replace a lot of

45:44

products again it is only an isolated device

45:46

the you cannot enjoy with anyone else in

45:48

your life. So if you're lonely and sad

45:51

like me maybe the great product by some

45:53

feminists. My. Problem. I.

45:55

have a bunch of things that have been coming

45:57

to my mind over the past couple days that

45:59

i see I think I may turn into a video, which

46:02

is what I think would be the best

46:04

things to improve for the next Vision Pro.

46:07

I don't think it's going to be a yearly

46:09

product necessarily. We got AirPods Max like years ago

46:11

and we're still waiting for the second gen. I

46:13

think Vision Pro is going to live for a little while

46:15

before we see the next one. But

46:17

for the second Vision Pro, one

46:20

of the things we're talking about, shared experiences,

46:22

I think that would be such a natural

46:24

and enormous advantage for Apple is

46:26

to make everyone with Vision Pro's be able

46:28

to share experiences. With each other to

46:31

be able to look at the same object in the

46:33

same room. Now you might not

46:35

think that's particularly useful, but let's say I'm in

46:37

an office in California and someone else is in

46:39

an office in Mexico and we both open the

46:42

same 3D object in front of us and we

46:44

manipulate it and show it to each other. Just

46:46

that connecting of

46:49

the same thing would be like

46:51

huge. I was surprised that that's

46:54

so far not really a thing, right? That's one

46:56

of the most, like the comments I've seen the

46:58

most is just like, cool

47:00

that has a lot of these other things

47:02

and super well made. But like my Quest

47:04

3, I can go visit someone who's nowhere

47:07

near me and we can do something together.

47:09

And like that is such a cool part

47:11

of VR. What's that called? SharePoint? Something room?

47:13

There's something room. A rec room. Yeah, rec

47:15

room is hilarious. But it's the fundamental purpose

47:17

is you are in the same room as someone else

47:20

wearing the headset. Also VR chat. Yeah, all these things.

47:22

They're hilarious. They're super fun. Like that, I'm shocked that

47:24

that doesn't exist for Vision Pro. There's another app, the

47:26

Sky Guide, which is like all the constellations in the

47:28

sky. They have a laser pointer feature. So I can

47:30

like point at the lasers and like show them in

47:32

the sky. But like no one can see what I'm

47:35

looking for. I'm like pointing laser at the sky. What's

47:37

the point of the laser? Nobody else can see it.

47:39

Yeah, exactly. So that's like my number one. Number two

47:41

is you can

47:43

leave windows around your

47:45

house, for example. When

47:48

you pack up the Vision Pro and bring it to

47:50

a new place, like let's say your office, you

47:53

can start opening windows again and

47:55

they will disappear from your house

47:57

and open in A new place.

48:00

The fiery open at home. And.

48:02

I. Go Home! But.

48:05

Sorry Survive Safari open a home and I open up

48:07

a window and I put you to been front of

48:09

the toilet and and I drive to the studio and

48:12

I open it up and I open up Safari. It's.

48:14

Still there and I need to either grab

48:17

that window from there. Or.

48:19

Try some other things I want to be

48:21

able to have. Saved environments

48:23

where the pins load back up where

48:25

I was. I agree so I can

48:27

come back home at the end of

48:29

the day. He. And even I yes

48:31

safari at the office it's you tube is

48:33

still pending like expecting the you're only going

48:36

to use in one space which is kind

48:38

of silly. yes sir. Played skate to for

48:40

riding skate three to the same mechanic illnesses

48:42

and either those X box games you could

48:44

drop your board and as like run around

48:46

and your feet to i climb ladders and

48:49

stuff like that and no matter where you

48:51

are in the game where you can leave

48:53

your board miles away if you hit one

48:55

of the triggers a master gardener I have

48:57

never got. yep that's always been the ass.

48:59

know that's what's. Happening at the top that's what's

49:02

happened or summoning what I wanted to will be

49:04

able to leave way forward and then having an

49:06

escape or for this new part and then go

49:08

back to where the old zebra wasn't as right

49:10

were like that. I got it. Now we want

49:12

to be although I get home immediately load up

49:14

the home environment and then all the windows are

49:16

where I wanna be in my home and and

49:18

when you get to the studio and loads up

49:20

in their own this young I just find it

49:22

funny that I now also to clean up my

49:24

virtual world as well as my actual house. You

49:27

can just say hey s. Close. Everything.

49:30

And it will and then your license and

49:32

and everything closes Recruiting that he will be

49:34

a fit for this. I am A I

49:36

am very. Hesitant

49:39

to brazil business of a shrinking know yeah

49:41

I suppose my to big vision pro like

49:43

feature requests that I think would make a

49:45

massive difference to the way people use it

49:47

and pro all sorts of other little things

49:49

I want to feel as you to the

49:52

wider on the better to blunder Pablo we

49:54

get away the weight sure. But

49:56

you. know i think that might be as a year

49:58

we end up putting together the gates Truly wild

50:00

to me that they don't have more share

50:02

play stuff Yeah, because it

50:05

seems insane that they could

50:07

easily be like Oh, we both have an

50:09

80-inch TV now that we could just like

50:11

watch together But we don't actually have to

50:13

have a TV there The closest thing is

50:15

FaceTime does let you share your view Because

50:18

obviously you can't hold things up to your camera when

50:20

it's your persona So you can hit this button where

50:22

it shares your view and then through a window You

50:24

can see the first person view of what the front

50:26

of that person's vision pro sees So that's just like

50:28

the regular you do that on an iPhone. Yeah, I

50:30

was gonna say she's like flipping your butt It's two

50:33

hands instead of one because it's on your face. So

50:35

that's kind of cool, but it's not what we were hoping

50:37

I feel like that's me saying like Claire

50:39

Let's both watch this movie together and I watch it in

50:41

that and then I give her an iPad

50:44

that's showing what I'm seeing and she

50:46

could just watch it on the iPad

50:48

It's like family groups and then you

50:50

can set up what apps people could

50:52

automatically see So like if you

50:54

were okay with your partner seeing what you

50:56

had open on safari or whatever You could

50:58

just say they can always see my safari

51:00

windows floating But then if you had

51:02

another app that you didn't want them to see when they

51:04

walked by it, they wouldn't see it Yeah.

51:08

Yeah, the thing about vision Pro and many

51:10

other Apple devices is Apple does not want

51:12

you to share them They want you to

51:14

buy another one. Yeah, true. And that's the

51:16

most like iPad thing ever They don't have

51:18

multiple profiles on the iPad and that's the

51:20

most obvious obvious thing by your kid and

51:22

I just learned that the other day Yeah,

51:24

same so they want you to buy another

51:26

iPad. Yeah I think the vision Pro will

51:28

forever be that also as

51:30

long as it's Apple doing Apple things painful Anyway,

51:33

there is an update to some of the software

51:36

It's still in beta, but there is a developer update

51:38

to the vision Pro I don't need to know if

51:40

they have an OS number is like one dot one.

51:43

Oh, I think so The

51:46

main thing that people are noticing is it's improving

51:48

the personas a little bit I looked at the

51:50

before and after some of our posting and it

51:52

doesn't look that different to me Yeah, but this

51:55

is the one thing that is so notably in

51:57

beta that people are keeping an eye on how

51:59

the personas evolved over time so it's

52:01

evolving over time. It has begun. They're

52:03

going to continue to make these look I

52:06

imagine slightly more realistic and slightly more complete

52:08

over and over again over time. Oh it

52:10

is 1.1 not 1.01. Okay yeah but still

52:13

beta. Yes yeah yeah. Develop that and then

52:15

keep an eye on it. Also before

52:18

this 1.1 update if you forgot

52:21

your Vision Pro password

52:23

you were just boned. Like

52:26

there was nothing you can do. Yeah so

52:28

but now they have a way to reset

52:30

the Vision Pro if you forget your password.

52:32

Through your iPhone or just like on it.

52:35

Um I'm not sure. Okay I just know

52:37

you now can. Okay that's good. Great. Yeah

52:39

cuz I have I have what's

52:42

the ID called again? Optic ID. I

52:44

have that every time you boot it up

52:47

you do need to put in your password.

52:49

Mm-hmm or passcode. Yeah so yeah that's good

52:51

to know. Alright. Yeah. Vision Pro updates everybody.

52:53

It's happening. Another update I

52:55

would love for the Vision Pro is you

52:58

never see it on my social feeds

53:00

ever again because for the last week there

53:02

has been no other content and I'm really.

53:05

We say that as we talk about the vision

53:07

for the seventh podcast. Don't worry I got your

53:09

one plus twelve review coming right up. Thank you.

53:11

That's we just go grab a breaker. Nice

53:14

little combo breaker for your feed. Thank you. I

53:16

got you. I need it. Alright we

53:19

do have a whole nother section that

53:21

is totally focused after the

53:23

break. So before we get into that let's

53:26

do trivia. I

53:29

think I should make that pause longer and longer every time. The

53:32

trivia pause? Before we get into it. Let's

53:37

do trivia and I just can't

53:39

have you seen okay so the

53:41

NBA sorry this is the NBA

53:43

highlights the guy who

53:46

voices over the nba.com highlights every day

53:48

on the gopmentator. Yes he's got this

53:50

like incredible style where he like says

53:53

and you know here I'll just play an example

53:55

he'll go over the NBA highlights for the day

53:57

and at the end of every video he says and that's been

53:59

your NBA And

54:02

people started noticing he started

54:04

saying it faster and faster

54:06

every single time. Derek

54:09

Favors with the big

54:11

smash number one on

54:13

the nba.com Okay

54:18

Dude's got more range than a

54:20

cell tower watch him go off

54:22

the glass with glass to

54:25

send the game into OC.

54:28

Russell Westbrook number one

54:30

on the nba.com Okay That

54:35

was a go So anyway

54:38

We're doing the opposite of that That's

54:41

what she's gonna be But he does

54:43

it go Come Down and down He

54:46

only does that for himself but I love

54:48

it Wow alright I don't

54:50

remember Epic Yeah That's

54:53

where we went Ah Are

54:56

the lights doing different things? They look

54:58

a little brighter Ah it's cause David was singing

55:01

Ah Oh Ah Oh

55:05

that's literally why they... Oh Nice

55:12

Alright trivia and just cause I wanna kick

55:14

off this season with a bang we're gonna

55:16

make this question worth three Three

55:20

points Three lectures Let's

55:22

go Are you ready? Three lectures I'm

55:25

gonna go Three lectures That would

55:27

be a good question Yeah

55:31

great Let a numero Oh

55:37

Sorry okay yes Yeah Clay three

55:39

points Yes three points Like a Sam-Sung

55:42

One of the biggest companies in the

55:44

world Could

55:46

have it's name translated into English

55:48

as three stars Each

55:51

one of those stars represents

55:56

Something It's

55:58

scared Oh Well.

56:02

As he listened descended that says three

56:04

things we also need something for the

56:06

heads are not be so that each

56:09

start what does each star life, liberty

56:11

and sort of food of up and

56:13

I don't Okay wow I'm is a

56:15

real some and are I had a

56:17

ton of the question really fast and

56:19

has no i'll on an island elevators

56:22

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57:08

will come back. To. The Wave Form

57:10

Podcast. He might have heard the

57:12

easy in my voice. Their and

57:14

as we've got three these. That.

57:16

Has major interesting stories about them that

57:19

we should talk about. They are. Porsche.

57:21

Tie can. Reveal in. And.

57:24

Tesla Cyber Truck. Where should we start?

57:27

Doing. A foot have sided

57:29

coin and resume. A

57:32

pyramid When. The as order with

57:34

the adam pay for sides you well but

57:36

a d three is pyramid shaped. Them.

57:39

One. That to base doesn't

57:41

count. Vivian are to live in our to.

57:43

Oh okay thanks through Saturday. Reading

57:46

are to pretty sick. Okay we'll have to

57:48

know anything about it but the idea of

57:50

it is pretty sick or and so we

57:53

got this announcement. March seventh we're going to.

57:55

learn something about the next

57:57

peruvian platform but this entire

58:00

time and we've interviewed RJ on this podcast before

58:02

and talked about it is Rivian

58:04

has been very clear that

58:06

the Rivian R1T and R1S

58:09

are built on the R1 platform and

58:11

they are their most capable, most premium

58:13

vehicles and they are planning to

58:16

do a less expensive still

58:18

capable but possibly slightly

58:20

smaller R2 platform. That's

58:23

all we know. We know nothing about the vehicles that will

58:25

be on the platform or any of the details and March 7th

58:27

we're gonna find out some of that stuff and

58:29

I'm excited. I think we're all excited.

58:31

I have a question. I'm very excited. Did

58:35

he specifically say smaller? I'll

58:37

tell you why I'm asking. That's a good question.

58:39

I would have to double check. He might not

58:41

have explicitly said smaller. Well good. Let's just pretend

58:44

he didn't say that so then I can speculate

58:46

here and make a conversation out of absolutely nothing.

58:48

Okay. Okay. So Engadget had an article that said

58:50

the R2 platform is expected to start with a

58:53

smaller SUV but then said reportedly

58:55

about the size of a Jeep Grand Cherokee which

58:57

are Grand Cherokee compared to an R1S

59:00

is very

59:02

similar sized. The Wagon is the big one. Yeah

59:04

but still the Jeep Grand Cherokee I'll pull up.

59:06

You've seen that car Grand Cherokee three rows? I

59:08

don't think it is. I don't think it is

59:10

but it's still fairly big. Have you ever been

59:13

on car size? You know car size right? Yeah.

59:15

Really awesome website if no one's ever been to it

59:17

where you can put two cars and they go right

59:19

next to each other. I grew up on a Grand

59:21

Cherokee. Yeah but a Grand Cherokee has changed size a

59:23

lot. I thought you grew up in Jersey. I'm wondering

59:27

if Engadget

59:29

meant just a Jeep Cherokee

59:31

which is smaller and more closer to

59:33

like a Forrester which is I

59:36

want so bad but a

59:38

Rivian R1. The big difference here might

59:40

be three rows versus two rows. So

59:42

that's what I'm wondering because I'm hoping

59:44

it doesn't get that large. Yeah so the

59:46

R1S if you've seen our review it is

59:48

three rows and it is a wonderful vehicle

59:51

but let's be real the third row is

59:53

very small but they jammed three

59:55

rows into it. That

59:57

is very similar sized right? It is similar but you

59:59

can... a couple inches off and it's two rows.

1:00:01

So now you have two normal full-size rows and a

1:00:03

big trunk. Yeah. Which

1:00:05

I think is what a lot of people also

1:00:08

want. That's what I'm wondering, like if it's just

1:00:10

the less capable version, it would still be very

1:00:12

similarly sized, but maybe doesn't have triple

1:00:14

motor and max battery pack and

1:00:17

all these crazy crawling features and

1:00:19

off-roading and whatnot, which I

1:00:22

hope it's more of a smaller version.

1:00:24

I think that's what RJ means by

1:00:26

less capable. The R1T right now, the

1:00:29

flagship, the launch edition, this thing is

1:00:31

a quad motor, 800

1:00:34

horsepower pickup truck. That's

1:00:36

the Cherokee? Yeah. That's a lot smaller.

1:00:38

Yeah. Yeah, that's a different class of

1:00:41

vehicle. Yeah, I think what he means by

1:00:43

less capable is you could easily go

1:00:45

single or dual motor. You can go less

1:00:48

horsepower. You can go less crazy tire setup.

1:00:50

You can go even less crazy features. Like

1:00:52

the thing has a flashlight on the door

1:00:55

and a Bluetooth speaker under the armrest and

1:00:57

all sorts of other things. And

1:00:59

he was clear mostly about them wanting

1:01:02

to keep the adventuriness of it. So

1:01:04

they might choose to keep some of the

1:01:06

fun frills that make it characterful, the headlights,

1:01:08

the front trunk, et cetera. But

1:01:11

yeah, it'll be a balancing act for them to

1:01:13

like cut corners that meaningfully reduce the cost but

1:01:15

don't meaningfully reduce the character. That's

1:01:17

why I think you would aim towards smaller size

1:01:19

because like if the rumor seems to be 40

1:01:21

to 60, and

1:01:24

I feel like if you have something that's only a

1:01:26

couple inches smaller and that big, that's much

1:01:28

cheaper. Or maybe that rumor

1:01:30

is just totally wrong. 40 to 60 is

1:01:32

interesting. Like when I look at their range

1:01:35

right now, they're at like model S and

1:01:37

X prices with their flagships. So to go

1:01:39

down to 40 to 60 is right around

1:01:41

model three and model Y. So maybe.

1:01:46

I feel like I'm psyching myself out

1:01:48

for what I want this to be

1:01:50

and worried about it. Yeah, I would

1:01:53

love like a Subaru Outback style car

1:01:55

or a sedan as I am a

1:01:57

city dweller. And Unfortunately,

1:02:00

I don't think that's happening until the third

1:02:03

generation. I mean an Outback wouldn't be

1:02:05

that dissimilar. I would, I

1:02:08

think just this. Forrester, sorry, no, no back. Well, yeah, I

1:02:10

think a Forrester, no, a Forrester, even more so would be

1:02:12

like a smaller version of this. Yeah. Which

1:02:15

I could, which I'm hoping for. Yeah, sure. I

1:02:17

would love, that's what I want to see. Still

1:02:19

pretty good range, still quiet. Yeah,

1:02:21

smooth, lots of storage. I would like

1:02:23

that. Yeah, that's what I'm hoping for.

1:02:25

Yeah. Yeah. There

1:02:28

was a leak about the day that the

1:02:30

event was going to happen that was very

1:02:32

hilarious. There was a town

1:02:34

board meeting that happened in Santa Monica,

1:02:37

I believe it was. So wherever they're

1:02:39

having the event in Southern California. Laguna

1:02:41

Beach. Yeah, Laguna Beach. Oh, right. Because

1:02:43

they bought that movie theater down there

1:02:46

and turned it into a Rivian showroom.

1:02:49

That's not what happened, but, well, I mean

1:02:51

that's not how they found out about the

1:02:53

R2 platform. Oh, sorry. Were

1:02:56

you just saying? I was just saying that's like where

1:02:58

they do all their stuff. They're in the area. Yeah,

1:03:00

there's like, spent a lot

1:03:02

of summers in Laguna Beach. I know the area very

1:03:04

well. There's this movie theater that had been there since

1:03:06

the 60s and everyone really loved it. And then Rivian,

1:03:09

it had changed hands a few times. Rivian eventually bought

1:03:11

it and they were like, oh, that's cool. They're going

1:03:14

to like have a Rivian branded movie theater. And then

1:03:16

they were like, so I get the dealership. Damn. But

1:03:19

yeah, they had a town, like a city

1:03:21

hall meeting. One of

1:03:23

the things on the meeting list

1:03:25

was that they had to approve

1:03:27

the R2 launch event because they're

1:03:29

going to be parking some R2

1:03:32

vehicles on the grass. And

1:03:34

so they had this document that

1:03:36

just said like Rivian R2 launch

1:03:38

event. And Rivian

1:03:40

had not said anything, but the town hall

1:03:42

notes are public. So it was really

1:03:45

funny. It was really funny. It's a funny way to

1:03:47

get it leaked. Who found that leak? I don't know.

1:03:49

They were on it. I don't know who's maybe some

1:03:51

random person who works for the town who's going to be

1:03:54

like, wait, R2? Yeah, right. Someone

1:03:56

there probably liked Rivian. No, no, Laguna Beach

1:03:58

is like when you're... on the

1:04:00

everyone there is very wealthy and

1:04:03

everyone there loves EVs so it's it's

1:04:06

the only place I've ever been where

1:04:08

like like I'd say like

1:04:10

60 to 75 percent of cars

1:04:13

on the roads are electric there Wow and

1:04:15

and it's all the like the rare ones

1:04:17

like the what's the brown one I like

1:04:19

that no lucid they see a lot of

1:04:22

lucid brown that's the best

1:04:24

way of describing elusive ever elusive that

1:04:26

long brown brown

1:04:28

one that I am a fan of

1:04:30

yeah it's not it's not Mustang Machi

1:04:32

country it's like Rivian and Tesla every

1:04:34

time I am in Southern California every

1:04:36

other car is a Tesla yeah generally

1:04:39

a Model Y or Model X yeah we

1:04:41

get it you're from Cali no

1:04:44

they're not from Southern that's gonna be

1:04:46

prime R2 from the countryside by Nevada

1:04:49

okay wait so speaking of premium EVs there's

1:04:51

two others we want to talk about yeah

1:04:53

tycan or Cybertruck you

1:04:56

can go to I can take them okay all

1:04:58

right yes I can facelift yeah

1:05:00

I'm really excited about this I

1:05:02

can't afford it but I'm so

1:05:05

the tycan we already knew was

1:05:07

Porsche's premium EV sedan it's

1:05:10

still expensive it's still gonna start at like 106 grand or

1:05:13

something like that but it got a

1:05:16

facelift which has new more efficient higher

1:05:18

mileage and faster models and

1:05:20

they charge way faster which is really impressive

1:05:23

I mean if you find the charger that

1:05:25

will support this exact thing which they said

1:05:27

they're like installing or the course

1:05:29

they're always installing yeah but the details are there's

1:05:34

a new the base tycan which now has

1:05:36

a 79 kilo I think

1:05:38

that's the same size of 79 kilowatt hour

1:05:40

battery on the small end yeah but there's

1:05:42

a 93 kilowatt hour option and there's now

1:05:44

a 105 kilowatt hour option yeah and so

1:05:46

you're getting now well over 300 estimated

1:05:49

miles I think that turbo s is 390

1:05:52

miles of

1:05:54

range I believe is the number and also does 0 to 60 in 2.3

1:05:57

seconds and has up to

1:05:59

940 horsepower. Holy

1:06:01

crap. Still dual motors, still a Taycan, still

1:06:03

looks almost the same. There's like one or

1:06:05

two aerodynamic bits that's different, but

1:06:07

also the charging curve for these new batteries,

1:06:09

thanks to new cooling, is crazy

1:06:12

high. I think they get up to 320 kilowatts

1:06:15

and they stay at 320 kilowatts

1:06:17

for not just the first two seconds of

1:06:19

charging, but for a long duration of the

1:06:21

charging. So we're seeing something like 0 to 80%

1:06:23

in 18 minutes, and that's 0 to 80. Imagine

1:06:29

you pull up with like 12%, you want to charge up

1:06:31

to 50% real quick. That's like

1:06:34

plug in, go buy a snack, and you're

1:06:36

good. So that's exciting. That's

1:06:39

like the type of innovation we hope to see with

1:06:41

EVs. Again, they don't build their own charging network. You're

1:06:43

probably not going to get those speeds through an adapter

1:06:45

at a Tesla supercharger. That's just the realest, the realness,

1:06:48

the real... Are

1:06:50

you rapping? That's just a real

1:06:53

situation. But yeah,

1:06:55

no, I'm excited about the new power trans new batteries.

1:06:57

Can I say something about this? All

1:06:59

right, if Apple put out a version of the

1:07:01

iPhone that was called the iPhone solar, and then

1:07:04

it didn't have solar panels on it, but

1:07:06

we're just like, nah, it's just like a vibe thing. It

1:07:09

just sort of like felt like a solar. We would all be like, that's

1:07:12

a lie, you're a liar, and I'm upset.

1:07:14

It would only be okay if they already

1:07:16

had products in their lineup with the word

1:07:18

solar in it. That had solar panels,

1:07:20

right? That would make it even worse if

1:07:22

they put out one called solar that didn't have solar.

1:07:25

I see where you're going. You know where I'm going

1:07:27

with this, right? I know exactly where you're going. I'm

1:07:29

like, what the heck are we all going to let

1:07:31

them call an electric car a turbo S? Do they

1:07:33

not already have a car? Because turbo in Porsche's lineup

1:07:35

just means fast. But turbo

1:07:37

for the longest time in Porsche language means

1:07:40

the fastest one. I'm going to make this

1:07:42

a short point, but I just want to...

1:07:44

Calling something that's naturally aspirated turbo is

1:07:47

one thing. Calling something that

1:07:49

is not aspirated whatsoever a turbo is

1:07:51

pretty well. What does aspirated mean? Just

1:07:55

an engine that does not have

1:07:58

turbochargers that forced induction from... turbocharger

1:08:00

shoving air into it. Got you.

1:08:03

Okay. Yeah, turbo means fast. All right.

1:08:06

A couple of really fun things about this

1:08:08

car. One, it is finally going to have

1:08:10

the more integrated carplay, which is they say

1:08:12

is more integrated and more immersive. So

1:08:15

actually seeing one of these is going to be

1:08:17

awesome and I think it would be really great

1:08:19

to get one in for review just to play

1:08:21

with the carplay. Imagine being just a Vision Pro

1:08:23

just drops down like the breathing things in a

1:08:26

plane. Yeah. So

1:08:28

there's going to have an option to have

1:08:30

this new push to pass

1:08:32

button, which for 10 seconds gives you

1:08:34

a 70 kilowatt

1:08:37

boost. So if you're passing someone

1:08:39

on the highway, it becomes much easier to just

1:08:41

be like, whoo, whoo, whoo. You know what they

1:08:43

could have done there to one, make that sound

1:08:45

cool? Push the pass button. Boring. Turbo

1:08:47

button. Then you can call it the

1:08:50

turbo without having to worry about having actual turbo. I

1:08:52

don't know. It should be, they

1:08:54

should have just like, back run in the

1:08:56

NAS and then called it the NAS but

1:08:58

made it an electrical. I could have called

1:09:00

it super VUKE. The

1:09:03

more I think about it, and we were talking about

1:09:05

this with Miles, the more I think about it, like

1:09:07

this is clearly the Turbo S of this new refresh

1:09:09

is the Model S Plaid competitor. The

1:09:11

more I think about it, the more I

1:09:13

think this is going to stratify

1:09:16

the Tesla people and non-Tesla people. Because

1:09:18

I think that Plaid is still going

1:09:20

to beat this in a straight line.

1:09:23

Ten times out of ten. But

1:09:25

on a track, obviously, this will smoke it

1:09:27

because it's a Porsche and it can handle and it's

1:09:29

lighter and all this other stuff. And

1:09:32

cooling for long laps will keep you at full power

1:09:34

longer. But I think full power on

1:09:36

this in normal everyday driving will

1:09:38

be very similar to the last Taycan Turbo S.

1:09:41

Which is really fast.

1:09:44

But the Plaid has this superpower

1:09:46

where you can drive around feather-footed

1:09:49

for a while in Plaid mode and then you

1:09:51

just decide you want to pass and you stomp

1:09:53

it and you don't need an extra button, you

1:09:55

don't need a different mode, you just take off.

1:09:59

And that I think will still be good. The be true. It's.

1:10:01

Just a totally different proud. Very handy for passing

1:10:03

Period. Super had the kind of annoying the you

1:10:06

have to press a button now to be able

1:10:08

to use adding that. Fun! It is fun. It's

1:10:10

even more fun in a gas car I will

1:10:12

say because the that Nine Eleven Turbo Us has

1:10:14

this boy ever nine Eleven Zero yeah have draw

1:10:17

and it's called us for response button and you

1:10:19

can be driving around, moving around and like in

1:10:21

two thousand rpm and nothing exciting as happening. and

1:10:23

then you want to do a passing you press

1:10:25

the button and mid engine. Just.

1:10:28

Picks the highest rpm with the most torque

1:10:30

and suddenly you're basically driving easy. It would

1:10:32

only be more fun if it had like

1:10:34

a plastic cover their the flip up focuses

1:10:36

on and that will lead but sit down

1:10:38

be the but. I'll be very Lambeau though.

1:10:40

Yeah yeah, I'm. sorry Gaza

1:10:42

city had taken as that the

1:10:44

plot doesn't. A Turbocharged. What

1:10:46

a full steering wheel! True,

1:10:48

that's actually not allow the full. I

1:10:50

also has the search for sale on

1:10:52

when it does. Now with they did

1:10:54

have a job already or three yards

1:10:56

and now yeah ah yes. the plaid

1:10:58

I think less is more. yeah applied

1:11:00

gonna be heavier. It's gonna have a

1:11:02

large, it has triple motors, you has

1:11:04

a slightly larger battery capacity, and it's

1:11:06

a Tesla so it's a different product

1:11:08

also. wait, we don't know if this

1:11:11

is any Cs rent. We. Don't

1:11:13

know which is something I was

1:11:15

very very very interested in because

1:11:17

that a lot. Because a

1:11:19

the vague new charging for in a for

1:11:21

it but if I weren't available for it

1:11:23

it would change a lot. Of course I'm

1:11:25

just thinking this new charging curve is gotta

1:11:27

be three certain chargers. I wonder what those

1:11:29

chargers are. If. There are

1:11:31

things that the regular Ccs yeah cause I was

1:11:34

I mark as turned fifty co op charges out

1:11:36

there right now and those they'll give the

1:11:38

car through and city kilowatts as long as asking

1:11:40

for it. yeah but that's not any Cs Myself

1:11:42

I want to go to a road trip and

1:11:45

I'm just using Tesla super chargers i think that

1:11:47

still an adapter which are even know if you

1:11:49

can get and dapper from forces. Lot of

1:11:51

questions unanswered so I would say you're quick question

1:11:53

we're time before about zero to a present and

1:11:56

eighteen minutes was they're not like the. the

1:11:58

key and undies we're getting Pretty wild numbers

1:12:00

on charging rates as well like not that far

1:12:02

off from that if not the same so percentage

1:12:04

wise yes, okay? I think that's the crazy thing

1:12:06

these are much bigger batteries that are getting 80%

1:12:08

okay So like yeah, I think

1:12:11

the ionic even had like a really great. I

1:12:13

specifically remember 18 minutes Yeah, it had a really

1:12:15

high peak charging, and it would it would spike

1:12:17

up 350 kilowatts But in such

1:12:19

a small battery 350 kilowatts will get you

1:12:21

80% pretty quick Okay, where I don't

1:12:24

think you're getting 350 miles out of an ionic.

1:12:26

I think this 390 miles range like

1:12:30

That really that's got the magic of

1:12:32

it. Um it also has much better

1:12:34

recuperation does recuperation mean Regenerative

1:12:37

charging yeah, okay, so

1:12:39

it says that it previously was 290

1:12:43

kilowatts and now it's 400 kilowatts so

1:12:45

sick doesn't that seem like an insane amount of

1:12:47

power it is I remember breaking

1:12:49

in the Hummer EV and seeing like 150 kilowatts That

1:12:53

seems like a lot so that's all that's

1:12:55

all Porsche engineering That's all electrical what Porsche

1:12:57

does is when you hit the brake pedal

1:12:59

in the car Yeah, that's when

1:13:01

it starts the region, and it feels

1:13:03

just like you're pressing the friction brakes It's

1:13:06

very very good. So you can't do one pedal driving

1:13:08

in a Porsche You can have

1:13:10

a little bit of lift-off region, but I don't

1:13:12

know if they have a one pedal driving mode

1:13:14

That's annoying But what's fun because they want it

1:13:17

to drive like a normal gas car like the

1:13:19

rest of their cars But when you when you

1:13:21

get past the 200 or whatever kilowatts of regen

1:13:23

braking on the brake pedal Then it starts to

1:13:25

blend in the friction brakes as well So

1:13:27

hearing that this will do 400 kilowatts I

1:13:30

could probably slam on the brakes and I'm I'm

1:13:32

getting all that energy back race, which is awesome.

1:13:34

Yeah, that's pure And I guess that is handy

1:13:36

because um Usually when I like

1:13:38

take off and have to slow down really fast

1:13:40

the first thing that hits in my brain is

1:13:42

oh man I'm wasting my regen exactly So

1:13:45

I feel like you'll see the little dial while

1:13:47

you're late You'll come on the brakes really hard

1:13:49

and you'll still see you're just getting all the

1:13:52

energy back. That's nice I'm imagining you getting pulled

1:13:54

over and the cops like sir. You're really aggressively

1:13:56

breaking a bunch. I'm just regen, bro It

1:14:00

is that? Yeah. And

1:14:02

I think I want to know if this will

1:14:04

have one pedal driving this walk, because that would be

1:14:06

sick. That would be nice. Can we test something with

1:14:08

these really good region? Can we go to the top

1:14:10

of a hill, get your

1:14:12

battery level, coast

1:14:15

all the way down the hill, slam on

1:14:17

the brakes at the stop at the end,

1:14:19

and see if you have more power than you started with? You

1:14:22

should. I think if you literally slam

1:14:25

on the brakes, no. But

1:14:27

I think you can be heavy on the

1:14:29

brakes for a long time and be recuperating

1:14:31

all of that energy. In

1:14:33

San Francisco, there's this near

1:14:35

Mission Peaks or whatever.

1:14:38

Super steep? Yeah. There's

1:14:40

this super steep hill. Well, there's a lot

1:14:42

of super steep hills in San Francisco. But I remember

1:14:44

seeing a post from someone in a Model Y a

1:14:46

few months ago where they started at the top of

1:14:48

there with about 12%. By the time they got

1:14:50

to the bottom, they had 23% less. We

1:14:53

did that in the Model 3 review. Oh, really? Yeah.

1:14:57

Yeah. No, we drove, well, I mean, it

1:14:59

was a longer drive, but we drove the Model 3 down

1:15:02

out of the, I forgot

1:15:05

the name of the highway, Pacific, some highway. Angels

1:15:08

Crest. Angels Crest, yeah. Oh. And

1:15:11

we ended up with like 10% more than we

1:15:13

started with at the bottom of the hill. So

1:15:15

it's real. It's pretty cool. Region's pretty useful. Thanks.

1:15:18

All right. Last CV. The

1:15:21

biggest. It's the biggest CV as well. The Cybertruck.

1:15:23

Really because people have been out in the real

1:15:25

world living with it and owning a non-clear coated

1:15:28

stainless steel truck

1:15:30

for a little while. And

1:15:33

it seems like it is actually prone to

1:15:35

some small rust spots if you get like

1:15:37

debris stuck to your car for a while.

1:15:40

I guess I don't know exactly how it's working,

1:15:42

but I see, so it's very

1:15:44

similar to if you have like a stainless steel

1:15:46

grill that's outside, even with a cover, it is

1:15:48

inevitably going to get rust spots on it. And

1:15:51

I'm sure that this steel is better than the

1:15:53

steel being made from those grills, but

1:15:55

it's very, there's pictures out there, which is also very funny

1:15:57

because there's a lot of forums where this is out. out

1:15:59

there and they're just like, you're a liar, this isn't real.

1:16:02

Like defending it to the T.

1:16:04

But stainless steel can still rust.

1:16:07

It does not mean it is

1:16:09

completely pruned or like it is

1:16:11

never going to rust. It's going to rust less, but

1:16:14

still can cause little rust spots that look

1:16:16

terrible. And you should be very careful

1:16:19

cleaning it, I guess, or just like

1:16:21

the patina. Yeah.

1:16:24

I don't know. It just can't stain. Just

1:16:26

can't, is that exactly like what it...

1:16:28

No, I was trying to make a joke cause

1:16:31

you can stain. And you can stainless steel. There's

1:16:33

a lot of people who... And it'd be like,

1:16:35

well, what is it good for? There's a lot

1:16:37

of people who said it's stainless, not stain proof.

1:16:40

Just like how it doesn't stop the rip, but it

1:16:42

stops the rip. Exactly. Exactly.

1:16:45

No, it also fingerprints a ton. Like we've got,

1:16:47

we had it for a day and there were

1:16:49

tons of fingerprints on it. Couldn't it be an

1:16:51

interesting looking truck? This is an all time easy

1:16:54

decision. You should just wrap it. Tesla

1:16:56

should offer wraps. You should be

1:16:58

able to get a wrap. They do offer a black

1:17:01

one. Does Tesla? I think

1:17:03

so. Oh, well, this is

1:17:05

the physically easiest vehicle to wrap cause it's

1:17:07

flat. And you could probably do

1:17:09

it yourself for as little money as possible. It's

1:17:12

just gonna be so much better looking. I

1:17:14

feel like once it gets dirty and tarnished

1:17:16

though, it's gonna look amazing. Possibly, yes, you

1:17:18

get to the patina phase. Yeah, it's gonna

1:17:20

look great at the very beginning and like

1:17:22

way after at the very end. But like

1:17:24

that whole middle part... I

1:17:26

wish we had one here to drive around and just get like

1:17:29

all the salt and all the crap on New Jersey roads. Like

1:17:31

if you guys saw the Rolls Royce video and you were mad

1:17:33

at me for not cleaning it, that's just what it

1:17:35

looks like when you drive places in New

1:17:37

Jersey in the winter. So that on a

1:17:39

Cybertruck wouldn't look sick? Maybe. I feel like

1:17:41

that would look sick. Maybe. TBD,

1:17:45

there are none in New Jersey. So we'll have

1:17:47

to find out. Okay, they have, okay, yeah, they

1:17:49

offer a color paint film for $6,000 in

1:17:52

ceramic white or self black. Oh, I actually didn't

1:17:54

know that. Six grand is a little steep for

1:17:56

just like... Isn't that usually what a wrap costs?

1:17:58

Yeah, but it's a solid... Color and it's

1:18:00

from the factory and it's like the easiest card of you

1:18:04

could get that done for less Yeah, true. I think

1:18:06

true anyway Okay,

1:18:08

well that's all we have for the wave Eevee

1:18:11

section the white one looks kind of nice. I'm

1:18:13

not gonna lie you that would get dirty. Thank

1:18:15

you Oh, I get

1:18:17

dirty thought the rough spots were bad and you want

1:18:19

a white truck. I have not

1:18:21

bad news for you Who's not gonna go well? That's a

1:18:24

brat black cyber truck and it's like

1:18:26

oh, yes, Delphi There

1:18:31

was a great tweet This might be the most

1:18:33

delusional to we have ever seen but it was like You

1:18:35

could pull up with a cyber truck to the valet

1:18:38

at a five-star hotel and it just wouldn't look weird

1:18:40

It's the only truck you could do that with and

1:18:42

I was like When

1:18:46

I say five-star they mean like super fancy like

1:18:48

it's the only truck you could pull up to

1:18:50

a valet service at a nice Hotel and it

1:18:52

wouldn't look out of place if you pulled up

1:18:55

to an insane asylum. It would look Is

1:19:00

that like it looks expensive?

1:19:03

Because it's so like bespoke

1:19:05

and strange and so pulling up

1:19:07

to a nice hotel in an expensive

1:19:09

bespoke strange car is More

1:19:11

normal than pulling up to a very fancy hotel

1:19:13

in an f-150 Yeah,

1:19:16

that's the only part of that.

1:19:18

That's the highest than f-150 is

1:19:20

like a hundred thousand dollars Yeah,

1:19:24

I do. Yeah, I know it David. I you

1:19:26

said three with David, but I don't want to

1:19:29

agree I

1:19:31

reluctantly agree with David Look

1:19:33

pretty fire plan. Yeah, that's a good point.

1:19:35

So an expensive fancy car. Yeah, it just

1:19:38

has to look somewhat unique All right, the

1:19:40

Rolls Royce Cullinan The

1:19:42

Hummer EV so yeah, that was

1:19:44

like normal that would look mad at asking

1:19:46

a valet driver to drive I'm very easy

1:19:48

into the parking garage I say you guys

1:19:51

rip the Rivian valet driver in New York

1:19:53

who like crashed your car. No,

1:19:55

he said it though We saw I asked

1:19:57

all right. We'll end with this. I parked

1:19:59

I I went to an Apple briefing for the Vision Pro

1:20:01

a couple weeks ago and I drove into the city and

1:20:03

I drove the Rivian and I almost regretted it but I

1:20:05

did find parking in this little valet parking lot and I

1:20:07

parked there and I gave the guy the keys and he

1:20:10

parked it and when I came back from the briefing I

1:20:13

saw another Rivian an R1S and it was

1:20:15

green and I said oh another

1:20:17

Rivian he's like oh yeah I love these

1:20:19

things man but dude these are the fastest

1:20:21

reversing vehicles I have ever driven I dude

1:20:24

I crashed this thing reversing not that long

1:20:26

ago it's crazy I was like wow I

1:20:29

didn't have one of mine right and he was

1:20:31

like anyway here's your key I like went over

1:20:33

and like inspected the crap out of my car

1:20:36

anyway at least you weren't the test bed for

1:20:38

it good times yeah good times but I can

1:20:40

vouch it is a very fast reversing mm-hmm it

1:20:42

is the fastest reversing car I've ever driven dang

1:20:45

in case you're wondering thing are you

1:20:47

better also be fast reversing all right it's

1:20:50

time for trivia trivia

1:20:55

so quick update on the score nothing

1:21:01

nice everyone's got zilch and guarding from

1:21:03

scratch all right first question is that

1:21:05

good what were the

1:21:07

first five iPhone 5c colors and I

1:21:09

need all of the colors that were

1:21:12

released for the 5c and gone primaries

1:21:14

I'm not like specifying what type of

1:21:16

green at what exactly I just want

1:21:18

straight what was the color and

1:21:21

you have to get all five or you don't get the point that's

1:21:29

okay take your time and

1:21:32

you don't look so confused I feel like this one's a

1:21:34

gimme it's not a gimme

1:21:36

it's not a lot getting

1:21:39

any five of anything right perfectly

1:21:41

is a lot what I have to do it five

1:21:43

numbers get to do it in order uh-huh zero

1:21:46

one okay

1:21:48

programmer or correct

1:21:50

all right look at my read

1:21:52

ooh oh

1:21:55

David what do you got I read pink

1:21:57

correct green correct Blue,

1:22:00

yellow, orange. Wrong!

1:22:05

Andrew, I know I'm wrong because I don't have pink. What

1:22:08

do you have? I swore there was an orange one. I don't

1:22:10

have pink. You don't have pink. And

1:22:12

I also have orange. Oh, so then wrong, Markett. Yeah,

1:22:14

that's right. I said green, yellow,

1:22:17

blue, pink slash flesh slash

1:22:19

salmon, sure, white.

1:22:22

Correct! Oh, white

1:22:24

was right. I have white. Yeah,

1:22:26

but you have pink. But I have

1:22:28

orange. Orange, right. Not pink, those pink.

1:22:30

Pink and orange. And

1:22:33

they were all pale. Yeah, they were all

1:22:35

like, uh-oh. There was a white one? Yeah, there was a

1:22:37

white one. For the sea? Yeah. All

1:22:39

right. White is every color, technically.

1:22:41

Score update? Wait, hey. Score update,

1:22:43

Mark has won. Yeah. Everybody

1:22:45

else. I am carrying the one by

1:22:48

my girlfriend. To

1:22:50

be fair, everyone else's score is

1:22:52

in a superposition between

1:22:54

one and three. But I guess

1:22:56

you're in a superposition between two and four. No,

1:22:59

one and four. Yeah. What?

1:23:02

No, they're between zero and one. Because you

1:23:04

haven't answered the next question, which is worth up

1:23:06

to three points. All right. Question

1:23:10

number two. Samsung can be

1:23:12

translated into three stars. What

1:23:16

do each of those stars stand

1:23:18

for? Why would I

1:23:21

know this? I don't know. I

1:23:25

can't believe a Samsung PR person hasn't mentioned this to

1:23:27

you. I was just going to say that. Also, it's

1:23:29

worth three points. So rack your brains. One

1:23:33

for each or three total for each? One for each.

1:23:35

Not doing

1:23:38

the difficult thing yet. This early in the season.

1:23:46

All right, what do we got with this? I mean, this company

1:23:48

is pretty old. Oh no. I

1:23:50

got this wrong. I'm so wrong. They definitely, it's

1:23:52

like Nintendo, who was like a playing card company

1:23:55

before they were a video game company. They

1:23:57

were in the 19th century. All

1:23:59

right. Oh my god.

1:24:02

Oh, we went kind of closer. Ready to turn you

1:24:04

in. Okay. That would have been good. Um,

1:24:07

I wrote earth water

1:24:09

air. Dang. It's actually

1:24:11

fire fire fire. I

1:24:16

wrote household mobile personal. Yeah,

1:24:21

I wrote computers life and

1:24:23

convenience. Sorry

1:24:26

guys, it is something big,

1:24:29

something numerous and something

1:24:31

powerful. What? What's

1:24:33

this question, Ellis? What?

1:24:37

I got fooled by a fake survey and I had

1:24:40

to think on the fly. Can

1:24:42

you explain this? No. Maybe

1:24:45

I had to put this up 35 seconds ago. So

1:24:50

we all learned something today and

1:24:53

that is that I'm winning

1:24:56

trivia right now. By one

1:24:58

point. That is correct. Marques is carrying

1:25:00

one. That's

1:25:02

huge for me. That's really gonna set my weekend

1:25:04

off on the right note. I hope it sets

1:25:06

everyone else's weekend off on the right note too.

1:25:08

Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. Thanks

1:25:11

for subscribing most of all and

1:25:13

we'll catch you guys in the next one. Peace.

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