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another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts.

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I'm Marques. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. This

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week, we got a bunch of fun stuff,

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tech-uary rolls on. No

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more? No more. I'm trying. You're

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not gonna make fetch happen. I think it's still

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going pretty well. We've got some

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phone leaks. We've got some CEO

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reviews their own product to talk

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about. I thought it was fun. And

1:00

we also have some TikTok music battles and

1:02

a new chat GPT feature. But

1:04

first, we have an update on

1:07

Waveform Trivia. Remember how somebody made

1:09

a Waveform Trivia website? That's so

1:11

good. They've updated it

1:13

massively. You've gone through it

1:15

already. Yeah, Howie Adderley, we talked about him

1:17

last time. He made this. It's

1:20

wvfrmtrivia.com. And previously,

1:22

it just had like stat updates of all of

1:24

us and a way you could play trivia.

1:26

Now he added more intense player

1:29

cards and every season and all of the

1:31

guests, which I think were there before. But

1:33

there's also a new trivia section that you

1:35

can play by yourself that's based on the

1:38

tech sounds that Ellis has done, which is

1:40

awesome. There's also the typing test that you

1:42

can do. It'll link you

1:44

to the app, but it also shows the leaderboard and

1:46

how you can compare to everybody else. And it is

1:49

awesome. This is better developed than most of

1:51

the media websites. Yeah, for sure. The fact

1:54

that you can play, it's

1:56

pretty great. I highly, it's in the show notes.

1:58

I highly recommend checking it out. That. Doing.

2:01

A typing test yourself, playing some

2:03

trivia yourself, and second other leaderboard.

2:05

Oh, it also has it been.

2:08

Since. That is either are play cards but it's

2:10

all of us together. We get. Together.

2:12

Thirty Seven Point Six percent of the questions

2:14

cracked. The. Don't get it. novel,

2:17

I know now that up like an ass slick

2:19

owing as hard as a law yeah in a

2:21

black lab I send their difficult. It's.

2:23

Fair game when you do to ask questions like.

2:25

What? Is a three stars means and only

2:28

can you explain that and then as those

2:30

know thing again as he semester know that

2:32

you know exactly why I could net like

2:34

other side you know I can't say it

2:36

sort of the audience. so you to think

2:39

of me as Dr. How to Be Six

2:41

are we what we will have I'm sure

2:43

will up our percentages over time like we

2:45

to be fair I have letter this bad

2:47

in regular a trivia as well like I

2:50

burnt where it probably find you were ever

2:52

bigger because we like if this was your

2:54

slugging percentage and baseball as a very good

2:56

are set out for him age and not

2:58

as years and fast. Yeah three point percent

3:00

Yeah yeah there are boys that we can

3:03

massless said how often I can drive a

3:05

car without crashing? ah no that's not ninety

3:07

one of them. pretty good, not one of

3:09

them. thirty some for that stuff on that

3:11

where you want to be you want to

3:14

be much closer one hundred thousand but some

3:16

would say ousted. Saddam would def

3:18

somewhere where you have thirty seven percent

3:20

yeah, Ali's and sixty set now guy

3:22

that sit up and office now our

3:24

class or even a good socially progressive

3:27

of the reader. My

3:29

know where Steph Curry's all time three

3:31

point percentages isn't Thirty seven for Saturday

3:33

eight or nine? Forty two percent. See

3:36

this thing. I would knows his player

3:38

card was on way from. says it.

3:40

I found The Martyrs very editor regularly

3:42

David about step closer. look. At

3:46

it while the same things as out. Here I think

3:48

of is happening. Com o gateway have

3:50

any my check those out but that us

3:52

whatever. A quick correction from last week I

3:55

think was last week and we're talking about

3:57

how you tube family be testing works I

3:59

said and at some point that it was

4:01

giving you the option has three different thumbnails

4:04

and then testing them among your audience and

4:06

spitting out the watch time percentages for each

4:08

one. That's actually not exactly what's happening. The

4:10

reason you may have noticed that the percentages

4:13

always add up to one hundred percent is

4:15

because it's actually giving you watch share. Which.

4:18

Means it's totaling all of the

4:20

watch time generated from one, evenly

4:22

distributed them out with all the

4:24

last time generated from the other

4:26

thumbnail. So it's not purely. Watch.

4:29

Time. But. It's combined with how

4:31

many views he gets and how how

4:33

well it gets click through Yeah, like

4:36

is a combination I think if the.

4:38

If it doesn't get it clicked on a council.

4:40

Zero watch time right? right? So it gets. It

4:43

does actually get impacted by click through rate. This.

4:45

Is extremely confusing of it this way. Ultra

4:48

mega simple. You. Have a you

4:50

tube video you want to ab test yet to

4:52

thumbnails. You. Tube goes okay you've

4:54

got a and some now be I'm gonna send

4:56

assaulted ten people. Some. Now A

4:58

get sent to fire people some now

5:00

be gets sent the five people if

5:02

all the people click some now A

5:05

and all the people click some now

5:07

be have a hundred think that the

5:09

rate of each than or purely be

5:11

which one has better watch time that

5:13

wins attack but with the other video

5:15

where. Nobody. Only

5:17

one person clicks thumbnail a.

5:19

And five people click some now be and

5:21

a person and click them. They'll a watch

5:23

the whole video but the people who quit

5:25

some now be washed eighty percent of the

5:28

video. That. Will have way better

5:30

watch share even though it had a

5:32

worse average watch time eighty percent for

5:34

is one hundred. It has a way

5:36

better click through rate. Sat.

5:38

At a five vs want to five

5:40

which will weigh heavily towards total. Watch.

5:43

Share. So. Watch Share accounts

5:45

for both. Click. Through rate

5:48

and was time for sentence that simplify it

5:50

at all. I think two things are true

5:52

and with what we've learned. One.

5:55

It does. Actually take into account could

5:58

see what it says that is more

6:00

the other number we should be looking at

6:02

than we thought to. it is entirely way

6:04

too confusing. and how on earth any one

6:06

specific of this out? I don't have no

6:09

hundred and to figure it out? Well yeah

6:11

nothing behind the scenes. a you tube is

6:13

ever supposed to be figured out because any

6:16

good games. But. I think if you're

6:18

a creator who's a be testing, this is

6:20

just complicated enough to accommodate for the different

6:22

variables that you are trying to optimize for.

6:25

I guess I shouldn't have said figured out.

6:27

I should have said understood Sir says has

6:29

like you're getting numbers you should semi understand

6:31

what they mean at least and we a

6:34

fairly large center and you've been doing you

6:36

do for a long time and we had

6:38

no idea what it was. Yeah I guess

6:40

now as long as I. As

6:42

long as you see the sun up that test

6:44

pick a winner. He can

6:46

probably safely assume that that the did not pick.

6:49

I trust in the you tube somehow the I

6:51

go to get sometimes I just picked that's one

6:53

of them that's not the winner but. All.

6:55

Of ours are like of forty nine to forty

6:58

one and fifty one exactly so it makes oh

7:00

gamut from to be fair the we don't really

7:02

do like drastically different what is what we talked

7:04

about? Yeah we want to do more. Fundamentally.

7:07

Different. The know that we a beat us. We've

7:09

notoriously tested like well what if the background has

7:12

a red background vs blue or what's your phone

7:14

I'm holding his titanium or the silver like that

7:16

stuff doesn't really make a meaningful difference but as

7:18

far as the purpose of the video sometimes the

7:20

of a big difference in what you think a

7:22

thumbnail should be. That's all I'm are referred to

7:24

him. It is, but we get a

7:26

lot more data out of that team doesn't Listeners?

7:28

yeah, wrath. so we can say whatever. Rest of

7:30

Iraq, Yemen at the lot of smarts but also

7:32

lot Adidas. I was hoping that would come up.

7:36

There there's that. While I'm still confused

7:38

so I got some of our. Next

7:42

Story yeah ah by Universal Music Group,

7:45

pause, Taylor Swift and others off of

7:47

Tic Toc and I had of the

7:49

story because it is sort of a

7:51

social media story, sort of a music

7:54

industry sorry. Overall, just a very interesting

7:56

story where we're kind of talking about

7:58

like who has the. Our dynamics

8:00

in the relationship. right? As

8:02

a want to confirm here real quick. That.

8:05

They're saying Taylor Swift, but I'm assuming

8:07

they're talking about. You. M G.

8:09

Taylor Swift whereas. If

8:11

I'm going awry, sailors version is

8:13

not under you and g I

8:15

met my entire as if. They're

8:18

clearly throwing Taylor Swift there because she's one

8:20

of the biggest artist be out there as

8:23

a own as much as I neared, but

8:25

they're ripping out her old stuff. That.

8:27

Yes, actually under young viewer I will. I'm assuming

8:29

her new stuff is still on tic toc because

8:32

it's not. I don't know. I don't think they

8:34

can pull off stuff that's not so much to

8:36

look that up. So. This. Very interesting.

8:38

Basically tic toc one Edu M G

8:40

wanted to pay your g very little

8:43

for the licensing rights of all these

8:45

very popular artists. You angie is like

8:47

were a giant music company. Rj artists

8:50

are popular and don't need to talk

8:52

to get more popular fares. so we

8:54

kind of think we have more bargaining

8:56

power Which I can't lie, I I

8:59

kinda agree with second half. agree. Yeah.

9:02

There are big artists who still have songs blow

9:04

Up on Tic Toc. Yeah. But

9:06

meaningfully right. I agree. But.

9:09

I think that this probably hurts the

9:11

smartest that are just trying really, really

9:14

really hoping that their song is gonna

9:16

blow up on Tic Toc more. Ah,

9:18

but at the same time I've mixed

9:21

feelings about this because a lot of

9:23

artists now are sort of making music

9:25

geared specifically towards being that Tic Toc

9:28

like sound sounds thousand percent. And then

9:30

everything around that little sound by his

9:32

can I just. Thought. Less and

9:34

they don't put a lot of effort in southern

9:36

of out fully agree with oh I sat around

9:39

everyone in the music into said i had a

9:41

that people are doing that yeah they're like this

9:43

is the song on the album that is specifically

9:45

for Tic tacs. It's not even that it's like

9:47

it's is a part of the dozens have the

9:49

bridge of this song he added tic toc being

9:51

bats are going to be shipping to influence or

9:54

partners I am I guess lizard to do that

9:56

and see our lives are fi I think you

9:58

and he does own tales versions. Do. They?

10:00

yeah I don't. I don't how they are

10:02

going to know it's it's more complicated

10:04

that I've been renovated up to. I'm pretty

10:07

sure Taylor owns the Masters, but they're

10:09

distributed by you mgs of airport. Could take

10:11

it off. Yeah p I definitely yes.

10:13

Locker part about this is that now

10:15

that they don't have a new deal, I'm

10:17

the new deal of twenty twenty bucks.

10:19

And ah, all of the tic tacs that

10:22

use the music's. Just. Have

10:24

no sounds now. Yes, succeed. go back through

10:26

like someone's library and they were dancing

10:28

to retailers are video nother just dancing to

10:30

nothing good. I mean that's happened a

10:32

lot of times where of like music

10:34

gets pulled off because of copyright issues and

10:37

difference and it's always very awkward. Yeah

10:39

very funny to like squirrel by puts also

10:41

Tic toc bird basically was within the

10:43

week and then dies. So yeah you don't

10:45

scroll back as a we go to

10:47

take talk and us deaths. Yeah Tic

10:49

Tac is giving users of those videos the

10:52

option to like select another song. But I

10:54

feel sexy. Know some work in a the

10:56

absolutely no like but it's a good point.

10:58

I can live within a week. People aren't

11:00

going to go back and was so yeah

11:02

it's pretty crazy. I just I. I think

11:04

this is a good story of like. Who.

11:06

Has the most power here, and they

11:09

would both argue that they are more

11:11

important than the other, But ultimately I

11:13

kind of think that tic toc as

11:15

eventually going to. Go. Back to

11:18

your jade me like we're L and hitter are know

11:20

him and just be like will pay the money I

11:22

don't know I me I think Tic tacs got the

11:24

upper hand here. Really I would be. I hadn't that

11:26

there is a marketer. Essentially not actually

11:28

the market or but the marketing platform I

11:30

feel I can, I think eventually. If

11:33

they realize they're losing a lot of.

11:36

Views. As a stick that brought us

11:38

we would mack to the number one billboard.

11:40

Yeah thirty years after the song was released

11:42

or the early not the whole that it

11:45

how it would matt but up raise. And.

11:47

Are there are a lot of such cases of that

11:50

happening? Are is that kind of ah lay there is

11:52

a song being the number one billboard be measured So

11:54

now like really old songs oh no no it's just

11:56

that know if they're on how absurd the poor with

11:58

them tick tock know it. Mckenna from

12:00

a labels way of yeah, right? like. Live.

12:03

In a Fleetwood Mac example like realistically and

12:05

I don't know if that song is is

12:07

part of the you Mg Catalonia I was

12:09

just an insightful sorry how much money. Did.

12:12

The label actually make from that song having

12:14

number one again. Maybe.

12:16

A hundred thousand does that zigzagging may

12:18

be understanding? Is it as an example

12:21

of how something can skyrocketed the top

12:23

and like if that a new artist

12:25

it I artist could literally star and

12:27

entire career based off of our my

12:29

would actually argue that they can't though

12:31

really, because apps like to Toc have

12:34

lowered the dollar value of music to

12:36

such a point that you can't actually

12:38

generate meaningful revenue off of the music

12:40

alone. Offer that a musical lumber

12:42

coming like a. I'd known artists

12:44

that then can torrent like I'm so director

12:46

by artist that have started by lowering because

12:49

they've been found on Sector Yeah but you

12:51

m she's not getting a cut of that.

12:53

They. Are they are on a map of it

12:56

as a you mg has no reason to go

12:58

back to tell you they potentially than not have

13:00

artist I want to sign with them anymore because

13:02

they're losing our heritage site was his the and

13:04

having been for a very large yeah they they

13:07

are masses it's also worth a like you i'm

13:09

she's excuse of like. Were. Doing

13:11

this to protect our our the it gets

13:13

as there is an argument can be made

13:16

that tic toc on a does not pay

13:18

for serve Bear heard I heard for music

13:20

also you M G has at every opportunity.

13:23

Made. Sure they're artist get paid less

13:25

on stream again every single year. Her:

13:27

yeah, say they literally their debt. there's

13:29

a lawsuit. be informed right now. About

13:32

them lowering the purse stream

13:34

price for their artists in

13:36

exchange for spotify stock that

13:38

there are to slot know

13:40

share. Like the

13:42

actual crazy stuff I want us to

13:44

confirm. I'm. Not in anyone's

13:46

corners. Here it is as you I think.

13:48

Well I think it would be awesome to

13:50

talk to an artist, probably to. They have

13:53

really strong opinions on whether or not like

13:55

the effect that Tic Toc and all that

13:57

it's done has had on being an artist.

13:59

One you're a small on are a big

14:01

one gonna give. A lot of artists are

14:03

like yeah I was doing what I was

14:05

doing and then I had a couple songs

14:07

blow up on Tic Toc and now. People.

14:09

Are going to concerts to see those songs

14:12

and that might be a real thing or

14:14

I could just be imagining that and that's

14:16

not natural thing. in Amazon eighth are very

14:18

fleeting bursts of attention at disappear and we.

14:20

I also wonder how. Often it

14:22

happens like how many to how many smartest

14:24

that happens time. So I'm fairly confident as

14:26

a lot of examples of songs hitting number

14:29

one. And maybe this is just as I've

14:31

seen it personally so many times. But a

14:33

song that I look at on Spotify as

14:35

like Billboard top one hundred chart down like

14:37

oh, that's the one that's been on Spotify

14:40

on Tic Toc for the past week? Yeah,

14:42

that's probably why it's number one. You know

14:44

the Youtube or Rick Be though. He

14:47

thinks he's a music you tube or

14:49

of them. He's like he's the school

14:51

but he's like I'm He does these

14:53

spot a fire top ten. Reaction.

14:56

Videos where every three months. Spotify has like

14:58

this new top ten list of music and

15:00

it's very often music that I have never

15:02

heard of before and he is also never

15:05

heard of before and had. There's probably a

15:07

strong chance that it's just got popular and

15:09

Tic Toc for like two weeks yeah and

15:11

then spiked it on Spotify and that's why

15:13

it's so a see of by artist that

15:16

has like no other yeah like everything else

15:18

is at this level and one song of

15:20

like way above the rest the night on

15:22

at the one that blew up on Tic

15:24

Tac Se. also sorry. To sort of

15:27

another you triggered us Us is not

15:29

one hundred eighty is like you M

15:31

G and this applies more to major

15:33

labels than independent. And the quote unquote

15:35

independent or medium sized labels. You mg

15:37

owns a lot of music and and

15:39

what's the were administrate a lot of

15:41

music for artists who are dead for

15:43

artists who who cannot tour and I'm

15:45

not saying like a we need to

15:47

defend the dislike large corporations business model

15:49

but it is like. You.

15:52

Can't make the argument that the promos worth

15:54

it on Tic Toc Home. If the artist

15:57

is literally deceased, you know, like just need

15:59

at. Speaking of. We just to say

16:01

that I think you M G or Tic Toc

16:03

needs Universal Music Group way more than the other

16:05

way around. Giver

16:08

about it. I also for I also don't

16:10

get why we're making the argument like a

16:12

one song pops off cause there have been

16:14

one hit wonders for the past fifty years

16:17

who have made entire careers off of yeah

16:19

literally Eiffel Sixty Five has won some Whoa

16:21

whoa whoa. Did not only on the me.

16:25

Saying like that is athena thing in

16:27

the music industry for Zero all it

16:29

is fired up until about. Twenty.

16:31

Fifteen is years ago. Yeah, The Room:

16:34

If you went platinum or even if

16:36

you went gold, you are going to

16:38

recoup on your contract, You are gonna

16:40

come away with a fat check and

16:42

you could actually live the rest of

16:44

your life on that money nowadays. like.

16:47

If you get ten

16:49

million Spotify plays. Said.

16:51

Million A huge number that is

16:53

about fifty grand. Yeah. I

16:55

you have. Congratulations! You've now almost

16:58

made minimum wage last. Know.

17:00

I agree. I think we're all still does harping

17:02

on just streaming though. I feel like you could.

17:05

Have more than just that. The upto very

17:07

quickly happened. Like artist now have Instagram pages

17:09

that may have tons of followers and stuff

17:11

like that of that Sparks from Tic Toc

17:13

Bad Tours they have mean Greed site. And

17:15

run up to the artist to like

17:18

properly, hopefully capitalize on tic toc success

17:20

to bring them over to something. and

17:22

they can actually make money on whether

17:24

it's your Instagram or your marriage for

17:26

your tours or whatever as just how

17:28

easy/heart is that? Actually, I probably agree

17:30

with you that young to eat and

17:32

like. Hearing all this yunji probably

17:34

needs it more. And. Ultimately,

17:37

artists are. Getting the hardest

17:39

his that of everyone which sounds like what

17:41

to not send you M G are pretty

17:43

known for on the other sounds kind of

17:46

like the whole argument for like unpaid internships

17:48

like but think of the exposure Instagram and

17:50

You Tube are the real winners and all

17:52

of this because now if you wanna like

17:55

make a real with a specific song you

17:57

gotta put it on Instagram are you two

17:59

swords. Yeah. I also.

18:02

While. I guess or happen eventually, but tic tac

18:04

people will just. Know. They must

18:06

have some sort of copyright thing. I could

18:08

use upload your own sound as you would

18:10

prices taken down. I'm assuming you get taken

18:12

down a one defensively, but I have no

18:14

idea. Read like a few. just use the

18:16

built in tool that it won't be there.

18:18

Any total mess when you try and find

18:20

like original sounds every time you click on.

18:22

It's a whole nother library. Because not everyone

18:24

says using natural library sound, They're like uploading

18:26

their own and then. Be. As such,

18:29

like this is still a problem. It's not

18:31

as much for a problem as it was

18:33

right after Instagram Real launched but almost every

18:35

years ago and Real had the tick tock

18:37

watermark in the corner when it first came

18:39

out. Same with the gym shorts and now

18:41

those platforms are driving Mar Ganache. Sort.

18:44

Development but I think it's still a thing that people

18:46

are just use it to the tic tac editors so

18:49

get that people to I'd at their video and side

18:51

of tic toc. I think most people. Use.

18:53

The tick tock built in tools yeah to do that in

18:55

as you haven't M P three of a tell us assigning

18:58

a like editing and on your phone to be in the

19:00

video. Good for you but I think you're in a minority

19:02

in probably why of to hit the button in the after

19:04

her. That. Assessment Yeah as a whole dynamic

19:06

I will say oh plays out. I think

19:08

Taylor Swift will. Probably. Be of

19:10

me as I have been a she's gonna go

19:13

bankrupt from that is you guys here she won

19:15

the Superbowl she tended to sooth there is no

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are literally than I'm betting pool where the over

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under on how many times she'd be shown on

19:21

screen and see easily cleared the over I think

19:24

it was like. Five Point

19:26

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19:28

percent of the game. Five point Five times

19:30

shown on screen. Tillis well that's wait till

19:32

I was whale As very when I I

19:34

heard a lot of people say they did

19:36

a good job of not cutting to hurt

19:38

too much. because

19:40

in a lot of other you are a lot

19:42

of other of they didn't do it in our

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favorite cousin another celebrities watching but it was like

19:47

very clear that there is a theme happening there

19:49

like we're only we're I read L C and

19:51

and I would cut the terrorists with reacting the

19:53

woods advocacy was there are always having to other

19:55

people that I get see my for not yeah

19:57

try to capitalise embassy somebody summer a camera be.

20:01

Never the camera and caring about the

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i gotta we gotta sit on a

20:05

side of the there are days there

20:07

was a thing Here is the think

20:09

that's funny I wish they could bring

20:11

his and when we come back we

20:13

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20:15

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20:17

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20:19

products sons word before we do that.

20:23

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20:28

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20:31

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20:33

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know the announcer who does the and a

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20:40

as one shouted as out for getting him

20:42

eclipse and shot him out for seen a

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aired government a doctor professor Go and try.

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working on a video for the see retailer.

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21:04

the brain on the brain them have an

21:06

idea of her. Foreshadows:

21:10

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21:18

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21:29

of the top that makes all the

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a new phone to talk a little bit

23:24

about. Not that it's out, but it's really

23:26

starting to be teased now. Nothing. Phone to

23:28

a. So. We

23:30

already had nothing from one Nothing Phone to

23:32

the make headphones. Now the certain to branch

23:35

out there before the will will ban with

23:37

like the next thing they're going to do

23:39

is A to A which I think we

23:41

all assume as a budget phony, cheaper phone.

23:43

That's what that's what Pixel did with A

23:45

That's what they probably should do with a

23:48

cheaper phone. So Nothing Phone to a March

23:50

fifth isn't getting unveiled and has this like

23:52

teaser video, it's around and A B C

23:54

will probably get pricing around there. and as

23:56

a bunch of rumors going around about what

23:58

exactly they would do. To make

24:00

it cheaper? Nothing fun. Com.

24:03

One of the big rumors of course is

24:05

knocking down there s o' Sea. So there's

24:07

a rumor saying it could be a Media

24:10

Tech immensity. seventy two hundred. Which.

24:12

I haven't personally benchmark down the guy experience with

24:14

a fun with that ship said but it it's

24:17

immediate take the messy check. Let's say it's pretty

24:19

safe to assume it's not on the level of

24:21

a qualcomm snapdragon ship. Like.

24:23

A dent, a gente rates and three I

24:25

think it's definitely not going to have all

24:28

the same A I see to definitely one

24:30

of the A at a minimum. yeah really.

24:32

probably also have hardware cut downs. like from

24:34

the camera it looks like it's based on

24:37

like some wire frame stuff and people doing

24:39

our renders based on leaks. it probably won't

24:41

have wireless charging. I'm guessing it'll still looks

24:43

like get nothing phone. Com.

24:46

But yeah, it's going to have to

24:48

find ways to cut down on certain

24:50

things and still deliver. A nothing

24:52

phone ask things was like podium a Caribbean

24:54

are to that doesn't feel like you're taking

24:57

way too much character from the river or

24:59

one make it caesar make of the spirit

25:01

of my interests to the render from what

25:03

I've seen seems like it's based on a

25:06

mix of this tweet from someone named Dylan

25:08

resold that it seems to be like a

25:10

video or most of. Like a

25:12

feature set that would be inside Android showing

25:14

how something works of I'm sure you seem

25:17

bleak like that before and it briefly shows

25:19

the back of the phone and some of

25:21

the glyphs in this like washed out white.

25:24

Version and then along with the Carl

25:26

Pei video that came out in in

25:28

the some know there's like this whiteboard

25:30

a sketch, people took those together made

25:32

this really sick looking render that. Hope.

25:36

It seems to match everything that shown in those

25:38

two things we know about it and. I

25:40

think it looks sick and elixir get putting it was

25:42

better than the nothing. So yeah well. Yeah.

25:45

I'm the it's like if the monetary

25:47

surreally every trip monitored explain it. Yeah

25:49

this one is all black. it has

25:51

to cameras kind of in the middle

25:53

top of the phone and then started

25:55

by circle that doesn't as sir look

25:57

like a camera bump just as circle.

26:00

And then there's three glyphs around it. Kind

26:02

of like. A. Longer. Curved.

26:06

Late. A smaller curved I and

26:08

one streetlight kinda typical, nothing like bars,

26:11

looks nice but doesn't necessarily follow any

26:13

form factor. and then it has like

26:15

kind of this black ribbon cable looking

26:17

thing coming down the bottom. but like

26:20

you mentioned before and I didn't put

26:22

this together, not. A wireless charging

26:24

circles. so it probably not having wireless

26:26

charging prices. That makes perfect sense. Yeah,

26:28

exactly. Yeah. I think words

26:30

and rate. So the interesting thing about this

26:32

is that camera array nine to camera, so

26:34

it's unlikely to have a telephoto camera. that's

26:37

usually what they do with budget phones. But

26:39

the interesting thing about this array is that.

26:41

When the phone isn't the vertical orientation

26:43

the cameras or horizontally a line which

26:46

is not something that you see on

26:48

phones that austin and the reason is

26:50

because when you're filming horizontally which is

26:52

the correct aspect ratio to sell men's

26:55

if you are above the age of

26:57

twenty five. You

27:00

want is not going to jerk and

27:02

they disagree and that I just would

27:04

have made Must Have: You want to

27:07

be able to switch between the lenses

27:09

without there being parallax but. Because.

27:11

This phone has horizontally aligned cameras when

27:14

it is in vertical orientation, This is

27:16

clearly made for like people that are

27:18

okay with affirming with filming vertically very

27:20

frequently and I would bet you that

27:22

nothing is probably going to reference that

27:24

in their can other driving like most

27:26

people film vertically these days. So we

27:29

decided to put the cameras vertically Way

27:31

same. So it's probably a standard camera

27:33

in ultra wide Yes, and they're right

27:35

next to each other, but they can't

27:37

be on top each other so they're

27:39

left right instead of top bottom. They

27:42

could be, but when you're filming

27:44

video vertically if you switch and

27:46

you have slight parallax on the

27:48

right vs like up and down.

27:50

I think that that translates better

27:52

the turned with but that's the

27:54

reason that usually cameras are. Above.

27:56

And below each other because you turn your phone

27:59

to film horizontally. Yeah couldn't

28:01

or wouldn't be more per i feel like

28:03

the less night pass I guess that makes

28:05

up to those duel. Reflex cameras are always

28:07

know those are talk about. On the other

28:10

esl hours I'll get. A.

28:12

Kill ours to and reminder way and you

28:15

have a viewing lens and a shooting lands.

28:17

They're not like on being used one and

28:19

only been used to view so that's just

28:21

my okay this is my theory. Here's that

28:24

there's here's my theory again Carl Pei said

28:26

this looks cool A specific all said I

28:28

agree with as far as just as easy

28:30

as justify Yeah and it's and will six

28:33

his heart and software will just try to

28:35

make him as little or was today was

28:37

like since offer yes sir Now that's interesting

28:39

I have any it looks decent. Yeah the

28:42

irony of this. Is that if we remember

28:44

correctly, only about one and a half years

28:46

ago the nothing phone one we're supposed to

28:48

be a budget phone and then the to.

28:51

Use. The last year's flagship chef and

28:53

know it's relatively inexpensive running the one

28:55

plus accelerate we are saw already I

28:57

like one plus took six seven years

28:59

to the this can we do it

29:01

in two years yes yes and other

29:03

making a line again which is funny

29:05

but I'd really personally do love the

29:08

divine if it isn't that been be

29:10

final defiance and in the animation the

29:12

you're talking about it shows that timer

29:14

we're laughs and all of that type

29:16

of studies like as bucks. now the

29:18

normal one is like twelve plus rate

29:20

this as three. Yeah I

29:22

think they're just like flashes and and together the

29:24

make a glass. I could be wrong though, but

29:26

well that's what I mean. Yeah like arts I

29:28

get of of okay party that guy doubters sorry

29:30

oh yea I'm in my god There's three different

29:33

lights that you different thing right? as as. If.

29:36

Anyone knew more than three? Congrats!

29:38

That's awesome, that sounds like a lot of

29:40

things to remember on the back of your

29:42

phone's, I love Ellie, the notifications I miss

29:44

L. Indicators. On phones

29:46

I miss that so much so yeah it's still

29:49

cool. It depends how often I mean we can

29:51

have this movie. I was assessed by like a

29:53

big part of that discussion around the glyphs interface

29:55

was like well we use always on displays now

29:57

the coffin of kitchen if you felt have your

29:59

phone upside down and you see the of a

30:01

notification you're gonna want flip it anyway and then

30:03

there's the upper part of like well it's a

30:06

flat screen so if you put it face down

30:08

as gonna get scratches on the fry and so

30:10

it's like okay to or bottles and one ever

30:12

Another case on a son and I get i

30:14

know it is the matter how well ever most

30:16

it is I keep getting told one of the

30:18

case on the phone know you're right not an

30:20

older the whole day before that would rdr a

30:23

lot of us how case keep going around and

30:25

so he put i sound sorry a lot of

30:27

people were going to buy the phone or going

30:29

a pretty face. On it they'll put a face down

30:31

and really fine. But the thing is I want us

30:33

to be a color a color thing. So bad spoiler.

30:35

We're working on a video where we're using of a

30:38

lot of phone that are older that house. With.

30:40

A little light on them and that little

30:42

light is so so you When it has

30:44

hollers he could program what you want to

30:46

each color to show you and I would.

30:48

I would memorize. I'd have like five six

30:50

colors, yellow for tweetdeck, blue for this, green

30:52

for their and then they all just tell

30:54

me everything. without me. I remember the Nexus

30:57

Six had an Rgb L A D that

30:59

they disabled before they launched the phone for

31:01

no reason, they just decided they didn't want

31:03

to use it but it was still in

31:05

the hardware so every of rom in the

31:07

world with i were you know not Now

31:09

I remember that. Yeah yeah that was good times and

31:11

I'm in love. Even when you have like bigger are like

31:13

you that the track ball or something would light up the

31:16

of color that would be like. That. I

31:18

need now as get it with the my phone of

31:20

them up but I wouldn't say it's on this phone

31:22

unless it's a clear case you're missing out on the

31:25

whole point of the phone. While I'm assuming they're be

31:27

cases that are like out as a clear bags phone

31:29

as give like a clear plastic back or whatever and

31:31

they gutted. see the lights lighting up in a way

31:33

to tell you whatever sapping you're from yeah I don't

31:36

like or oh is on display so like just one

31:38

minute he had it. yellow was a snapshot blue

31:40

as an email. gunners attacks. That's all I needed is

31:42

the best thing ever. I wish these different colors well.

31:45

Yes, That would be great or though.

31:48

They. Don't on the normal phone. Not

31:50

right. So the nothing normal phone. Ah

31:52

so be very funny of the. Budget.

31:55

Version had color yellow. Now the incredible f

31:57

that the wilds yeah suspect it won't be

31:59

as I think. We'll be all white l

32:01

e d than the same thing of last

32:03

time. We can pick one up where if

32:05

that light lights up thing you know that

32:07

that one app has a notification didn't sign

32:09

me up I had text i really like

32:11

others looks how much do you think it's

32:14

can cost Okay if I go nothing phone

32:16

to how much is nothing phone to Actually

32:18

right now five forty nine. Five.

32:20

Forty Nine. Wow. Okay, So.

32:22

You go nothing Phone to take out wireless

32:24

charging. Take out some water

32:26

resistance downgrade would demand city chip fifty

32:28

dollars off take out. I mean I

32:31

still do cameras on the nothing phone

32:33

to so still do cameras. And.

32:36

He could not some screen down and

32:38

some battery down. I think you could

32:40

get down a reasonably. To.

32:43

A competitive. Three

32:45

Safety. Dhabi.

32:47

Very compelling. That was the a great brand one

32:49

Pixel A launched in it was through fifty bucks

32:51

a for and pixel the first aids a pixel

32:53

was as if the and entering a three I

32:55

was yeah nearest exit three fifty would be nice

32:57

it was three their The for a was also

33:00

three fifty which was just like. The.

33:02

Idea that. Yeah, that's the perfect budget phone

33:04

price, but also the Pixel phone that year

33:06

or those two years worth more expensive was

33:09

in it. It's. Got more expensive. I

33:11

feel like the Nothing phone to like the price

33:13

difference wouldn't be that drastic. So like if they

33:15

could even sneak it sounds like three hundred they

33:18

might bump up the Nothing Sam three Breslau father

33:20

for remember when? The way let's say give us

33:22

a version of the airports. At

33:25

the as the same period at an

33:27

earlier version of is that that an

33:29

amount of Gabi all right to bear

33:31

but via hundred dollars or thousand hours

33:33

apart just it was just you and

33:35

I are like sad. That be

33:38

so funny. That's what they did in the May

33:40

Day. I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt

33:42

that the pick for nothing phones three will be

33:44

more expensive. but you're saying mail just bump up

33:46

the price on the to as it exists. I

33:48

will just I'm not like of a a won't

33:51

interact with Second Africa. We have whoever history certainly

33:53

get a method of that. They had a prayer

33:55

at the President's there. There is this a rumor.

33:58

Of. what the price might be It

34:00

is the at the moment from what I've

34:03

some of the things I read is as approximately 400 euros

34:05

Which is around 430 USD So

34:07

it's not quite what you're saying at that

34:10

price and this is gonna be a hot take because

34:12

people always disagree with me On this you have to

34:14

be a high refresh rate. Oh You

34:16

have no that's not where I thought you were

34:18

going with that You need to be because like

34:20

the budget phones now are all 90 Hertz plus

34:22

if you're gonna have a $400 You

34:26

better not be 60 Hertz and I

34:28

will personally make sure I talk

34:30

about that What if I make

34:32

sure is that a threat? I'm just saying

34:34

you gotta be um, what if they have

34:36

another crazy feature? But like what if they

34:39

have a software skin that's based on dots?

34:42

Yeah, but that's cheap. You

34:44

can do that. I mean you already built it so you can put

34:46

it on all your phones I feel like that's what if they made

34:48

it clear our top No,

34:53

I think they'll they'll spend the extra

34:55

money for the nothing phone to to

34:57

be the differentiator in Aesthetics

34:59

at this price. It will probably

35:02

not be an amazing performer for the price with

35:04

this divensity chip Maybe I'll maybe I'm

35:06

wrong I could be shocked and this could be an

35:08

incredible thing But I don't think it's gonna have the

35:10

best camera at this price I don't think it's gonna

35:12

be the battery champ at this price I think it's

35:14

gonna be the one that has sick design at this

35:16

price. Look at this software Look at

35:18

this clear back. Look at these this glyph on

35:20

the back That's what this one is gonna have for

35:22

this price as its differentiator Yeah, you're pretty sure I

35:24

agree If you want it to be the cheap iPhone

35:26

you can get the cheap iPhone if you want it

35:29

to be the cheap Great pixel camera, you can get

35:31

the great cheap pixel camera. This is the made a

35:33

design one I mean I remember that MediaTek

35:36

was making a big deal about how its

35:38

Dementity series was a lot more competitive than

35:40

its previous chips have been because I believe

35:42

that this is their flagship line and They

35:45

make a lot of chips like they make the chips

35:47

that go in pelotons They make the

35:50

chips that go in the Amazon Alexa. I've used a

35:52

peloton It's

35:55

not sorry, well, yeah, I mean that's

35:57

not supposed to be a phone. So

36:00

See, you know, tell us how it's on. I do, I

36:02

mean, I do see their Dimensity 7200 Ultra is

36:05

gonna be a four nanometer chip. And they of course

36:07

want to be competitive with Qualcomm and I'm sure it's

36:09

going to give them better price flexibility than going with

36:11

the Qualcomm chip. I'm sure that's very helpful. I

36:14

just, I'm like Googling trying to find what phones the

36:16

Dimensity 7200 is in and

36:19

I'm not seeing any yet, but I just have

36:21

a sneaky feeling it's not going to be mind-blowingly

36:24

good. And that's gonna be

36:26

fine at this price. That's fine. It just has to

36:28

be fine. Yeah, I think it'll be fine. I

36:30

mean, again, it's like you can't really tell the

36:32

difference between chips now. I think a big reason

36:34

that Qualcomm had to stuff the

36:36

8Gen 3 with AI features is that they

36:39

didn't really know. At this point, it's

36:41

like 8Gen 1 versus 8Gen

36:43

2 was the same chip. A 5%

36:45

headroom difference in performance is not a

36:47

meaningful difference to most people. Even if

36:49

it was 25%, most people would

36:51

not know. But the AI stuff is

36:54

meaningful. Most people are on Instagram. Yeah.

36:57

You don't have to have a fast CPU to use

36:59

Instagram. Yeah. One other

37:01

interesting thing about this, and I think

37:03

it was in the actual video that Nothing posted,

37:05

but it seems like the 2A is gonna be

37:07

in the US developer program, which is what they

37:10

did with the Nothing phone 1 versus

37:12

the Nothing phone 2 having

37:14

an actual US release. So

37:16

it's kind of weird that they're going back on that,

37:18

but I guess trying it out not

37:22

in the US at first, or wasn't

37:25

the developer program, you got it way cheaper,

37:27

but it basically was like... Yeah. It

37:29

might have network issues. Yeah. But

37:33

that was a while after they had launched the phone

37:36

1. Yeah, it was way after. So, oh yeah, I

37:38

guess that's a good point. Does that mean this happens

37:40

later for the US? I don't

37:42

know. Probably immediately, but yeah. I

37:44

think their long-term play is probably

37:47

to get into the pay-as-you-go market,

37:49

because currently OnePlus is slaying

37:51

the pay-as-you-go market, OnePlus

37:53

and Motorola. They're

37:56

more like extremely popular phones in that market.

37:59

They Make a lot of money through that. That so yeah, that

38:01

Mumbai Nord phones have weirdly hi market

38:03

share And then I said specifically in

38:05

the pace you know market. Now.

38:09

So. Than said of nothing Phone

38:11

nord. That's is

38:13

Carla Stairs. As

38:15

far as far as long as though update

38:17

their the phone the has a ship in

38:19

it already to Vivo T to pro that

38:21

I remember that phone is not in the

38:23

Us but it's of roughly three hundred dollar

38:25

phone. Okay South and I you can't say

38:27

we didn't talk about it. there's a contacts

38:29

know how recently did a come out pretty

38:31

recently? The Visa phone. So. The

38:35

whole alcohol was there just one another

38:37

on the i'd say yes yes the

38:39

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38:42

a matter of vivid or l me we

38:45

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38:47

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38:49

all literally every couple base thrill me and

38:51

read me we just get packages every other

38:54

day of and nother version of a phone

38:56

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38:58

are the same words the same one that

39:01

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39:04

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this sounds on that one via Duluth of

39:09

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39:13

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39:21

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39:23

person right? well as a priest source section

39:26

but we obviously have a lot to talk

39:28

about with saw the question isn't pro stuff

39:30

so before we do that. Less.

39:32

Isn't trivia? I

39:38

get together. Let's have written trivia

39:41

are so we have. Two.

39:43

Questions you guys can pick which when you want

39:45

the one of the our question or he won

39:47

a media tech question. the are. Among

39:50

those the or I could the I check though. Danger.

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as a society that question number

39:59

two. Before. Met a cast.

40:01

There was the Oculus Rift. The

40:04

first Oculus Rift prototype was made

40:06

by Palmer Lucky in his parents'

40:08

garage in Long Beach, California. How

40:10

old was he when he did

40:12

this to? That's the question. I

40:16

remember trying in Cs these crazy as

40:18

of them superheated our leader yeah seen

40:20

yet of a long time ago. I

40:23

have no idea how the scariest us.

40:27

Anyway, answer later. vulgar. I

40:29

backed. This

40:38

of those brushy by this Bill Wireless. Okay,

40:40

so Vivre Wireless, one of our partners and

40:42

a pretty great they ask me to talk

40:44

about why this bill might not be interesting

40:46

for you for your pressing right? So visible

40:48

based plan with unlimited fides you data on

40:50

private network for twenty five bucks a month

40:52

works great for lots of people. so what's

40:54

not to love? Well, they're all digital so

40:56

you do everything from menacing a plan to

40:58

getting customer service right in their app. So

41:01

if you have to handle everything without any

41:03

new saucy human in a store, this was

41:05

great. But if you need a shop for

41:07

a new phone. In person does. Will probably

41:09

isn't for you, so I'm like Rise might

41:11

be better choice if you want your wireless

41:13

bundled with a bunch of extra stuff. Don't

41:15

switch to Visible Butt. Heads up, you're gonna

41:17

have to pay for that. Extra stuff is

41:19

both focused on the wireless part of wireless.

41:22

That lot more than unlimited five to data

41:24

from your wireless plan and to pay top

41:26

dollar for it. Then by all means, don't

41:28

switch to Visible. Don't even go to visible.com

41:30

to learn more. He get it right with

41:32

service on this plan. For additional terms and

41:34

network management practices, see visible.com. Did

41:37

you hear it? Zoc? Did. Did

41:40

he? Hear of you,

41:42

those are the bride because I think

41:44

it's hilarious. air here viewed someone else

41:46

is pretty compare impaired to his own

41:49

product. Soccer heat of an owner of

41:51

his own product to be. Dramatically.

41:53

Better than the competitors product. Ah,

41:56

I'm slight. Hitch. I'm gonna vision

41:58

proof He has some words. Image and Pro

42:00

which is really interesting cause he runs Meadow and

42:02

it's almost like they're in their own world of

42:04

like this is the metaverse in this is pricey

42:06

builds but even he has something to say about

42:08

Vision Pro and I think it's because everyone has

42:10

something to say about it and Pro and it's

42:12

kind of like a little bit. Is

42:15

like threatening. It's like on the radar here on me

42:17

to say some of ocean vision press. So. He

42:20

i was just play what is actually grew

42:22

with a lot of what he says his

42:25

play Some of what he says about Quest

42:27

three. Or guys so

42:29

I fun. We tried Apple's vision

42:31

for our and of law is

42:33

absent before. This expected quest would

42:35

be the better value for most

42:37

people since it's really good with

42:39

like seven times less expensive are

42:41

but after using it. I. Don't

42:43

think the questions that are valid. Questions:

42:46

the better product hurt soccer and you

42:48

know the different companies may different design

42:50

decisions for the headsets a difference for

42:52

hims but overall. Quest. Is

42:55

better for the vast majority of things

42:57

that people use. Mixed reality. For. Mixed.

42:59

Up front any is actually capture

43:01

video senseless nearby Mixed reality has

43:04

through my now word with it's

43:06

just a Guy for that The

43:08

for audio listeners it is. It's

43:10

a guy sitting there hey Kenny

43:12

can and sorry to any. It's

43:15

can he's a real person visiting not moving

43:17

in the video as long as it's more

43:19

or less memorable than people doing that. He

43:21

was vision pro which was just like the

43:23

I signing through ah less mean of work

43:25

as the eyes are a really big part

43:27

of the meme any keeping his head perfectly

43:29

still to be a tripod for this video

43:32

and a cutaway to Kenny assist. Assist

43:34

assist The headset is great very

43:36

funny also he it's like surprises

43:38

being showered the class project We

43:41

can tell the video quality is

43:43

not good. Began Fab. Yes,

43:45

I figured i think he goes on next to start

43:47

listing things to just want a pause after each thing

43:49

he lists and will. Say. whether we

43:51

agree or disagree alec that format yeah yeah i

43:53

think in general i agree with most of them

43:56

bullets break it down one by one yeah sure

43:58

okay for you guys were had The

44:00

Vision Pro eyes, it's

44:02

not exactly the least cringe thing

44:05

in the whole world, but with

44:07

the weird triple tri-clops. It's

44:10

like the guy is a face hugger on his

44:12

face. He looks like he's being controlled by the

44:14

headset and not the other way around. Yeah. All

44:18

right. During this video on Quest's high-resolution

44:20

mixed reality pass-through right now, we're just

44:22

here in my living room and you

44:24

can see his browser windows and whatever

44:26

else he's got running up here. So

44:29

yeah, Quest 3 does high-quality pass-through

44:31

with big screens just

44:33

like Vision Pro, but we also designed

44:36

it to be great for a lot of

44:38

other things, moving around, playing games, hanging

44:40

out with friends and socializing, working out, and

44:43

more. Pause. Quest? I

44:47

would generally agree that because

44:49

Quest is lighter and

44:52

more comfortable and doesn't have a cable running

44:54

to your back pocket, it's easier to walk

44:56

around, especially being more active in it. It's

44:58

kind of like wearing light plastic headphones versus

45:00

wearing AirPods Max. I saw somebody running in

45:02

the city recently wearing AirPods Max. I was

45:04

like, damn. That's going to

45:06

get a good cut. That's the part. Yeah,

45:09

I wouldn't want to get your sweat on those

45:11

cushions. Yeah. So same thing

45:13

with Vision Pro. That light steel

45:15

cushion, you can't really buy another one. So

45:17

I wouldn't want to wear a big, heavy

45:19

Vision Pro being active nearly as much as I'd want

45:22

to wear a Quest being active. So I'd give him

45:24

credit there. Yeah. I also like

45:26

working out in Quest. Supernatural is a

45:28

very popular exercise app in Quest that

45:30

people use all the time. I mean,

45:32

just Beat Saber is incredible. I'm

45:35

sweaty every time I play that. There's

45:37

two apps similar to Beat Saber right now in my

45:40

Vision Pro. They're not exactly Beat Saber, but one

45:42

of them is basically Beat Saber with your hands. It's

45:44

not the way that it was talking about. I think

45:46

what David was talking about is very similar also. A

45:48

lot of the exercising things are things coming at you

45:50

when you do it. Yeah, you have got to dodge

45:53

things and jump and duck. It's

45:55

basically a high-intensity interval training app,

45:57

but it's gamified. Yeah. a

46:00

little bit more too about something you say shortly.

46:02

Okay. I think

46:04

it's just a lot more comfortable. We

46:07

designed it to weigh 120 grams less, which

46:09

makes a really big difference on your face.

46:12

There's no wires that get in the way when you

46:14

move around. Flex, agreed. Our field

46:16

of view is wider and I found our screen

46:18

to be brighter also. Okay. Okay,

46:22

nice and specific. I love that this is

46:24

a straight to camera one take by Zuck

46:26

and he nails all of these specific points.

46:29

Yes, this screen in the quest

46:31

is brighter and has a wider field of

46:33

view. But is it

46:35

better overall as a different question? Well, he brings that

46:38

up later though. Yeah. I would

46:40

say yes, you're right Zuck. It is

46:42

specifically brighter and has a wider field

46:44

of view. I would say I've heard

46:47

the thing about wider field of view, putting both of

46:49

them on. I

46:51

can't really tell that much of a difference. Both

46:54

of them I can see borders around

46:56

my eyes and you don't get that

46:58

like peripheral vision and you

47:00

figure that out very quickly when something

47:02

comes into the corner of your eyes

47:04

or was it you wearing or

47:06

are you wearing it and we were sitting next to each other? Oh

47:09

yeah, that's another thing when you try and drink

47:11

a water bottle. It gets really big. Yeah, yeah.

47:14

It distorts real hard. So yeah. Yeah.

47:17

Sure, like cool it's a little

47:19

better. I don't think it's a noticeable difference that's

47:21

that big of a deal. Yeah, I think unless

47:23

you do them back to back, you probably won't

47:26

specifically think, wow, the Quest is way wider field

47:28

of view. But in general,

47:30

that's something that I mean, this is the Quest

47:32

3, it's third generation. Something the headsets have been working

47:34

on for a while is getting progressively wider and wider

47:36

and more immersive field of view. So to see a

47:39

$3,500 headset have a narrower field of view was like

47:41

a big point of contention for Quest enthusiasts. So that

47:43

is a fact. Also wait is a big thing because

47:45

he mentioned he made it 150 degrees lighter. So

47:48

yeah, that's a big. We all agree that the

47:50

Quest 3 is far more comfortable than it does,

47:52

right? Yeah. It's a big

47:54

thing to make things out of plastic and Apple is

47:57

not. And it has battery. Yeah. Yeah.

48:00

The Vision Pro is more comfy personally.

48:02

Really? Just because the

48:04

Quest Pro and 3 get

48:06

so hot. Okay, the Pro is a

48:08

different situation. The Pro

48:10

is heavier than that. It gets so hot. It gets

48:12

so hot. It like, literally I pull the 3 off

48:14

after like a two hour session and my face is

48:17

dripping. Have you used the Vision Pro for two hours

48:19

though? I have not used the Vision Pro for two

48:21

hours but I find it really hard to believe it

48:23

gets that hot. It makes your eyes

48:25

kind of hot. Interestingly, so I mean I have worn

48:27

the Vision Pro, I mean on the pod I didn't

48:29

have anything intensive running but for a long time you

48:31

can start to feel the warm air passing out the

48:33

top over your forehead and the fans turn on. And

48:35

you never hear the fan and you never really feel

48:37

like hot air hitting your eyes or anything like that

48:39

but you do kind of notice like, oh the top

48:41

of this thing is kind of warm. That's

48:44

as far as I've gotten. I haven't actually

48:46

worn Quest 3 for two straight hours doing anything

48:48

crazy but that's interesting that it gets a lot

48:50

hotter. I've only made it like three hours at

48:52

that point. It's like the combination of the eye

48:54

strain from looking at it and the heat on

48:57

my face and I'm like I'm done with this

48:59

thing. Personally, you're right, I haven't

49:01

tried Vision Pro for that for an extended

49:03

wear. As soon as everyone's done passing

49:05

it around I'm going to try the full work day

49:08

on it and get pink eye. So,

49:11

one thing you mentioned before and he mentioned the wire

49:13

hanging down I think is actually like totally

49:16

agree not having that wire is so

49:18

nice. It makes everything more

49:20

comfortable. I do also find it funny,

49:22

Ellis brought off Quest Pro, I think

49:24

it's hilarious that he doesn't compare it

49:26

to Quest Pro once in this entire

49:29

video. Just completely disregards it. Which

49:31

feels so much more like the comparison. And

49:35

then, oh the third thing, we're talking about comfortableness. I just

49:37

want to throw this out. I saw this awesome thing the

49:39

other day where you can 3D print a

49:41

connector so you can use the Apple Solo

49:43

Band on the Quest 3 and people say

49:46

it's so much more comfortable because the Quest

49:48

3 is so much lighter that you actually

49:50

do get the really nice like,

49:52

boho version and the solo loop

49:55

On the Quest 3. I Want to try that now.

49:57

Just with a 3D printing thing. The

50:00

that is how it. All time best class

50:02

accessory here. Have kind

50:04

of fake okay gets enough call. On.

50:07

I also noticed that in Apple's had such

50:09

as his motion blur as you move around

50:11

which I agree on quest is just a

50:13

lot crisper now apple screen don't have a

50:16

higher the most employers annoying I agree. A

50:19

perennial remember, I guess I don't think I used

50:21

it as much. I will Save The Quest has

50:23

this thing and I know there's name for but

50:26

I don't know where it is, where viewer. It's

50:29

feels like on the bottom half of your screen

50:31

if he has a mean you're foreground and background

50:33

and you move your heads. I decide to feel

50:35

like the top and the bottom stars swaying and

50:37

like almost disconnecting. It's something I've noticed that some

50:39

sadder is that must be what it is. Yeah

50:41

it's weird. And even though

50:43

like. The. Quest Pro has. Motion?

50:46

Blur Or sorry. Yeah Vision

50:48

pro have explosion births. I feel

50:50

more comfortable. Walking. In

50:53

the vision pro that I do in the quest

50:55

proof, there's something about the quest pro that feels

50:57

just a little disorienting. And I

50:59

think the quest pro wins and never sorry

51:01

that this could be a very to and

51:03

crest three not quest was three Yeah this.

51:07

Question vision for I like walking in the vision

51:09

proud. Of

51:12

the pass through is definitely better vision

51:14

provides and he mentions the motion blur

51:16

while moving around probably more laterally and

51:18

you do notice this especially cause I

51:20

think if envision pro you stare at

51:22

one thing and and move your head

51:24

you'll notice the gets blurry while moving

51:26

your head. Any stop moving and it

51:29

sharpens. Up and I don't think other than

51:31

normal behavior mostly time envision. Pro: You're focusing

51:33

on the thing in front of you while

51:35

you move around, and I don't think I've

51:37

noticed any difficult motion blur. Him. That

51:39

he also use the word crisper. Interesting.

51:42

Choice of words here because he's doing

51:44

gene editing. Ah good One Zero now

51:46

a good for know. It's it's he

51:48

thinks it's crisper while moving her head.

51:51

But the pixel density. of

51:53

the vision pro is dramatically higher

51:56

so crisper while moving vs crisper

51:58

in general as it does But

52:00

fuzzy. There's fuzzy. Nice. Yeah,

52:03

nice. The resolution. And that's really

52:05

nice. But

52:08

I was surprised by how many trade-offs they

52:10

had to make to the quality of the

52:13

device and the comfort and ergonomics and

52:15

other aspects of the display and artifacts in order to

52:17

get to that. Now for input, Quest

52:20

supports precision controllers that are great for

52:22

games. Both headsets support hand

52:24

tracking, but I found ours to be a

52:27

little more accurate. Pause.

52:29

Wait, hold on, pause. Okay.

52:32

Oh, sorry. No, you go. Okay.

52:35

Okay. The controllers on Quest

52:37

are great. Yes. And they are

52:39

better for gaming than anything you can do on

52:41

the Vision Pro. And Vision Pro should have a

52:43

controller option. It would be nice if you could

52:45

have a... I mean, you can use it like

52:47

a game controller, but it would be nice if

52:49

you could use like a pointer controller, whatever, for

52:51

games. That being said,

52:53

the hand selection of things in

52:56

Quest is not even close to

52:58

as good for regular moving around

53:00

the UI as the Vision Pro.

53:02

It's just not. It's definitely not as good. That

53:06

being said, with Quest, you're usually just holding the

53:08

controllers. And so that precision is really, really great.

53:10

And if you just get used to controllers, you

53:12

never have to worry about the wonkiness of like

53:14

trying to grab a window and move stuff. But

53:17

I think the intuitiveness of Apple's eye tracking combined

53:19

with how good and how wide of an area

53:21

it can pick up just the pinching is fantastic.

53:24

So I would say it's just apples and

53:26

oranges, like controllers on one, really good. There

53:28

are no controllers on the other, but the

53:30

eye control and hand control is really good

53:32

on that. And you're going to get

53:34

way better gaming out of controllers and way better

53:37

UI and intuitiveness out of the other. I

53:39

think that's what I sort of split it down to.

53:41

Yeah, I agree. Someone who has like a Quest workflow

53:43

where I like, I leave it charging on my desk

53:46

and never use the controllers. Like the controllers are in

53:48

a drawer. Just pull it on. Just

53:50

35 seconds to a minute. It's just me

53:52

looking at my hands going, see

53:54

them. See them. But

53:57

again, that's Quest Pro, right? No, it's three. It's

54:00

both quests. I didn't really feel like the

54:02

hand tracking got better once it finds your

54:04

hands on three, but even still you're

54:06

like, no I'm aiming here. No,

54:08

a little lower. Yeah, the aiming is not

54:10

good. You didn't try to click. One

54:12

more. Xing out of windows is like,

54:14

I highlight the X and then I do this

54:16

and it twitches and it misses the X and

54:19

I try to hit it over and over and

54:21

it's crazy. And maybe it boots the hand tracking

54:24

program a little bit after turning on because it

54:27

assumes you're gonna use the controllers, but every time

54:29

I'm like, see him yet?

54:31

And it's like, no bro, you're armless. So

54:34

I kind of think he's

54:36

being strategic in what he's saying there. And

54:38

his hand tracking is like, he

54:40

is about to mention eye tracking. And

54:43

I feel like comparing the eye tracking

54:45

with the pinch isn't hand

54:47

tracking for the Vision Pro. It's

54:49

just like, you're just using the pinch at that

54:51

point. And the eye tracking is far better than

54:53

any, because the quest pinch

54:57

and point, it's horrible. It's

55:00

so bad. And I don't

55:02

think that's what he's, I don't know. It's very confusing how

55:04

he's saying this. I think he's just trying to say something

55:06

about hand tracking and being, how

55:09

good it sees your hands and shows them in

55:11

a space because that pinching thing

55:13

is terrible and eye tracking is different because

55:15

it's tracking your eyes and all it's using

55:18

your hands for is the pinching. Yeah. That's

55:20

true. He could argue that it's more advanced.

55:22

I think it's a strategic word that he's

55:24

using. Yeah. But

55:26

the quest has to

55:29

know more gestures because

55:31

you have the menu open pinch

55:33

and the select pinch and the

55:35

wrist turn. And so it's not

55:37

like they're not trying to

55:39

make a serious hand tracking thing. I

55:42

would use the controllers 100% of

55:44

the time. No. With the

55:46

quest. Totally. Shall

55:48

we continue? Let's keep going. The tools, eye

55:50

tracking is really nice. We

55:53

actually had those sensors back in quest pro. We took them

55:55

out for quest three. We're going to bring them back in

55:57

the future. Interesting.

56:00

What are the guy when you compliment someone

56:02

but under has it's other hand as I

56:04

haven't I heard Koppelman sandwich for a very

56:07

light yeah it's like it's good fun we

56:09

actually have that years ago stuff plus the

56:11

ever going to bring it back once we

56:13

think it is actually a good feature with

56:15

those senses are in the quest pro them

56:17

yeah semi as if I trackers yeah in

56:19

the class pro mine and that's part of

56:22

the reason I was so expensive that with

56:24

you again have controllers at ease most of

56:26

the time and and and up not using

56:28

like the fundamental thing about vision. Pro is

56:30

it doesn't doesn't come with controls.

56:33

So. You have to rely on the eye

56:35

tracking being get all the time for everything

56:37

you do in everything. Yeah. Which. Is

56:40

different from quest? Yeah. But.

56:42

The Bring It Back. There. Bring her back Wagner.

56:44

Why Theater I wonder why I didn't

56:46

like how they bright color passer mixed

56:48

reality of a class three or right

56:50

before The reason for okay well as

56:52

an inning Yeah I feel like the

56:54

the I talking and pinching is like

56:56

the far more intuitive non controller way

56:58

of doing it. I'm it is extremely

57:00

frustrating when it like doesn't work because

57:03

you just feel like you're using tell

57:05

it trying to use like told me

57:07

he says by sitting measure like a

57:09

ticket just go up a little higher

57:11

gangster lifting your head and their bids

57:13

are. Just stood up to walk to the

57:15

window that I have like in front of me.

57:17

how the I'd like to press it with my

57:19

anger wishes of getting the word super frustrating that

57:21

to do I think of this also and not

57:24

to drag onto on this kind of goes a

57:26

little bit more to like. We keep doing this

57:28

since philosophical thing where like what we want to

57:30

see sure to be and I think in my

57:33

cat twenty year how however long future you put

57:35

on the glasses or whatever and just start using

57:37

things without a controller you don't want to have

57:39

to think about it. A controller. And

57:42

for matter, if you get people so

57:44

you so that precision controller I think

57:46

you now have to eventually find a

57:49

hurdle where you get rid of controllers.

57:51

And. there has to be this leaping off point where

57:54

they're like i know you guys have been using

57:56

these controllers need been really really good frawley games

57:58

all experiences but every app and everything we

58:00

do is gonna have to leap off of

58:02

controllers to graduate to this super lightweight invisible

58:04

mixed reality thing we want. You don't think

58:06

they're always gonna have optional controllers for games?

58:09

Because I feel like it's better

58:11

for games. I agree. Yeah, maybe you

58:13

always have optional controllers, but it's

58:15

kind of like what did you train your users to do for

58:17

the past decade? Yeah,

58:19

I could see them moving fully to hand

58:21

tracking and eye tracking, but I feel like

58:24

they're always going to lean into that, especially

58:26

because they are a lot

58:28

more about the VR experiences. Like people

58:30

buy Quest to play games. People

58:33

don't buy Vision Pros to play games because

58:35

you're not buying a Vision Pro for Fruit Ninja. So

58:39

they have very different use cases even if they use

58:41

fairly similar technology. Yeah,

58:44

I agree. It's a nice

58:46

interface. It's not perfect for everything though, for typing

58:48

or complex tasks. You're

58:50

gonna want things like hands or a

58:52

keyboard or controllers or eventually a neural

58:54

interface. I like how it just casually

58:56

dropped. You're probably gonna want like a,

58:58

I don't know, a keyboard or like a neural interface

59:01

anyway. Yeah. What? He's

59:04

pretty much like, oh, this new kind of revolution, maybe

59:06

not revolutionary, but the thing that Quest or Vision Pro

59:08

is really good at is the eye tracking. He's like,

59:10

this new thing, it's like pretty good, but you

59:12

know, the old school things are good. Like

59:15

neural engine. Wait, neural interface. Neural interface,

59:17

yeah. It's like the headset plugs into

59:19

your brain. No, not

59:21

exactly. Not directly. But

59:24

some sort of, it's funny because I agree

59:26

with him that for simple tasks, the eye

59:28

tracking and everything, it's great. But the second

59:30

you get to a complex task, let's

59:32

consider typing maybe a more complex task.

59:36

Then it's a little more like, okay, do I look at

59:38

the letters or do I like type the thing in midair? It's

59:40

a little cumbersome and clumsy. And for that,

59:42

I would just want to think of the word and it shows

59:44

up on the screen. Like things like

59:46

that, you get a little more future looking

59:49

and I'm sure they're working on stuff like

59:51

that. But yeah, just casually

59:53

drop that in there. So wait, so he is

59:55

talking about plugging into your brain.

59:58

Not necessarily. I Don't know if that's exactly what that means. The

1:00:00

or affair cousin innovation Pro: You have Syrian,

1:00:02

you just say the word. See.

1:00:04

You look at that, he looked at the text field

1:00:06

and just say a word and it shows up over

1:00:08

and up. You know that's not

1:00:10

a neural interface but it feels like

1:00:12

one and what's two steps or that

1:00:14

an outline for for matter? is it

1:00:17

just have like wearing a certain like

1:00:19

had overthrown detector thing on your on

1:00:21

your forehead. Ah no I don't want

1:00:23

men an eye on my thoughts. I

1:00:25

can't even type with my eyes and

1:00:27

imagine trying to focus so hard to

1:00:29

only think of the word you're trying

1:00:31

to say and all the other everything

1:00:33

else that I think of an older.

1:00:35

this is this. It doesn't matter like

1:00:37

I don't want. My theory is very

1:00:39

very her advertiser. Say to us a

1:00:41

well they were offered are unhappy

1:00:43

were thing about hot dogs have

1:00:46

a set up a lot like

1:00:48

all day so he showed you

1:00:50

through as the bottom half of

1:00:52

yeah interesting I. I. Agree

1:00:54

with what he's saying. I just don't

1:00:56

know. How to get. To.

1:00:59

That future? Yeah, it's weird. I do

1:01:01

agree that using the environments and having

1:01:03

it make your keyboard go away is

1:01:05

really stupid. Yeah, I mention that yeah

1:01:08

in the video. Yeah, especially if you're

1:01:10

like using your Max display in your

1:01:12

mirror and yet and then. But then

1:01:14

you turn yourself into an environment and

1:01:16

you just have it has time for

1:01:19

a desert since I say or mack

1:01:21

motorists floating in the enter. And that's

1:01:23

one thing I really like about the

1:01:25

Mehta remote desktop application as you can

1:01:27

place a caught out on. Your data

1:01:29

for all of your controller. So I fi or

1:01:32

my macro buttons, my keyboard, my trackpad and so

1:01:34

I can like physically look. I'm a big macro

1:01:36

button guys but it's really awesome. That's why I

1:01:38

have a quest workflow. You know I'm into the

1:01:41

actually as much as it sucks that as hot

1:01:43

and hurts your eyes and and indices and read

1:01:45

your thoughts or whatever Caesar does actually work. yeah

1:01:47

like every other day that it does work. yeah

1:01:49

I dunno. I just also want to point out

1:01:52

that at the end of every time I was

1:01:54

does this he takes up a headset. He's like

1:01:56

i gotta go for a walk. Us.

1:02:00

That on Mars attack That men are so

1:02:02

real. Yeah I'd I did mention the video

1:02:04

but like. Is apple can

1:02:06

do this and this and recognized

1:02:08

your hands and pass through. Then.

1:02:11

Surely I should be able to do this. And.

1:02:14

Sorry ah to listeners and like holding up

1:02:16

my hands and that's how you detect your

1:02:18

hands and they were can pass through. Sure

1:02:20

that can hold up a keyboard or just

1:02:23

like a nice as it is yeah if

1:02:25

he can recognize a more accurate pro display

1:02:27

and know how to automatically list out of

1:02:29

the screen money should be able to do

1:02:31

like semantic segmentation and know where your keyboard

1:02:33

with this she the cup the West can

1:02:36

do with supported keyboards like the Lodge Attack,

1:02:38

M X series keyboards, Area of Hannah If

1:02:40

you tells the class that you're using one

1:02:42

of those it will scanner. And then fully

1:02:44

do a three to render. Oh really? yeah?

1:02:47

Well, yep or it doesn't work. Very

1:02:51

hard now and I've tried to do and I

1:02:53

can get a black man favor think I might

1:02:55

see very thin and then you as yeah I

1:02:57

think would air I think to be even more

1:02:59

advanced with like you'd you look at my hands

1:03:01

and you know what hands generally look like selling

1:03:03

your i will figure out my hands I think

1:03:06

you should know what keyboards generally look like because

1:03:08

the loud the same mostly every time and and

1:03:10

yo com sandwich besides way abs and you can

1:03:12

do you think use the keyboard at all. It's

1:03:14

not that you can't need easy, you just

1:03:16

can't see, can see it out as learn

1:03:18

out of touch. That is what you've learned.

1:03:21

or if you are a menace and you

1:03:23

are but nothing. Your keyboard? Yep, row by

1:03:25

all row or to guess? Yeah, I know

1:03:28

there are but but there's something about having

1:03:30

my peripheral vision see my hands typing on

1:03:32

something yes, and that being linked to what

1:03:34

I'm feeling by pressing on buttons. That is

1:03:37

comforting. I'm not saying that all

1:03:39

I don't know. I don't touch type. I

1:03:41

know how to type. I just like something

1:03:43

about my peripheral vision. Telling. My

1:03:45

brain yes you are typing or well feeling.

1:03:48

The thing is beneficial. I'm I'm not. I'm

1:03:50

mostly Derek, I'm mostly joking. But yes I

1:03:52

agree to whatever tell her about. As side

1:03:54

note, try and get up a high Monkey

1:03:56

tape. Lot. of is your pro i

1:03:58

think a guy like six six How

1:04:01

are you with eyeball hooking? Yeah

1:04:03

poking poking single fingers 30

1:04:06

seconds on monkey type I got to like 52 or

1:04:09

56 were you like inches from it like

1:04:11

just dude I sat that I sat in it

1:04:13

for an hour trying to do it So that

1:04:15

just sounds like beat saber at a certain point

1:04:17

like a CS way more frustrating and way less

1:04:19

fun That is okay

1:04:22

quest immersive content library is a

1:04:24

lot deeper, you know, we've been

1:04:26

working with studios Building

1:04:28

virtual and mixed reality games and other content

1:04:30

for a long time now And

1:04:32

if you want to watch YouTube or play Xbox on

1:04:34

a big screen anywhere you go, that's

1:04:37

only available on Quest for now Okay, so

1:04:40

wait, I'm very interested if they're thick

1:04:42

wording very specific word. Did you watch

1:04:44

his video? Yeah So it

1:04:46

shows he shows these immersive videos that

1:04:48

he's watching or whatever and they just

1:04:50

do not feel immersive Compared to everything

1:04:52

you watch in the vision Pro I

1:04:55

think like the term immersive is I

1:04:58

mean, he's saying there's a he's basically saying there's a

1:05:00

lot of VR Yeah, he says

1:05:02

the immersive content library is deeper Because

1:05:05

Quest 3 and Quest 2 and quite they've

1:05:07

been around for a while and they've partnered

1:05:09

with tons of studios and all this stuff

1:05:11

So yes, they have a much much

1:05:14

larger collection of things to do

1:05:16

in VR and immersive experiences, of

1:05:18

course but

1:05:20

is it as good as The

1:05:23

extremely small number of the ones that

1:05:25

we've seen on vision Pro. No, I

1:05:28

think you guys are using immersive

1:05:30

as hyper realistic and

1:05:33

I don't I don't know if I fully agree

1:05:35

on that being the definition for I think that

1:05:37

just refers to a Type

1:05:39

of media which is this is fully in

1:05:41

the XYZ space around you whether it's full

1:05:43

VR or a mixed reality It's just they

1:05:45

have they have all these experiences and you

1:05:47

watch the video there's one that's mixed reality

1:05:50

like something coming out of the wall and

1:05:52

there's also obviously VR experiences and Quest

1:05:55

Pro has tons of this stuff. So yes

1:05:57

the library which is what he's saying is way bigger

1:06:00

So the amount of stuff you can

1:06:02

do is way bigger. This feels like

1:06:04

Android and iOS all over again. Like

1:06:06

the Vision Pro is like, you can't

1:06:08

do nearly as much, but you could

1:06:11

argue that the fidelity and the tracking

1:06:13

and how well things stay spatially locked

1:06:15

are, and the media especially, the videos that,

1:06:18

like four videos that exist that were shot

1:06:20

for Vision Pro look better

1:06:23

by a mile than anything I've seen through a

1:06:25

Quest headset. So I'm like, do you want more

1:06:27

or better? I think the

1:06:29

big thing is like the immersive video on

1:06:31

the Quest kind of just feels like 2D

1:06:34

video that is around you. Whereas

1:06:37

the Vision Pro videos feel

1:06:39

more three, like feel

1:06:41

more volumetric. He said immersive experiences,

1:06:43

right? Not immersive videos. Yeah, but

1:06:46

he shows a video on screen

1:06:48

when he says that. Yeah,

1:06:51

I guess my argument was immersive

1:06:53

experiences is very obviously true. That

1:06:55

could just be a VR game. Yeah, and I would

1:06:57

argue that it's more immersive and

1:06:59

more. Yeah, VR game, and then there's

1:07:01

a watching a fight from the corner

1:07:04

of the octagon. So it's like this content,

1:07:06

this doesn't exist for Vision Pro. It doesn't

1:07:08

get 2D video streamed though. It's all that

1:07:10

looks like. It looks bad, but it exists.

1:07:13

And I wish you could do this in Vision Pro, but

1:07:16

you can't. They marketed it. You could do that in Vision

1:07:18

Pro. Oh, you're gonna be able to do Vision Pro. Yeah,

1:07:20

they marketed it. But as of right now, he's specifically using

1:07:22

that language of our content library is deeper. Correct. What

1:07:25

was the exact words that Zuck used in this

1:07:27

video? I'll put it

1:07:29

that way. I would argue the experiences in

1:07:31

Quest 3 are more immersive. More

1:07:34

immersive. It depends on what experiences. I

1:07:36

mean, in the sense of I'm

1:07:38

in a position where I've thought I could

1:07:40

lean on things that weren't there. And it

1:07:43

just feels like you're in something where you're

1:07:45

not actually there. Like even graphics aren't the

1:07:47

only thing. I've played Superhot, which is the

1:07:49

most, like

1:07:52

not boring, but like simple polygons.

1:07:55

And I've fallen over because I've tried to

1:07:58

touch things in the actual day. This

1:08:00

is like our argue that extremely immersed I think I

1:08:02

know where you're going which is and I I didn't

1:08:04

really talk about as much they want in the last

1:08:06

video but. The only real

1:08:08

fully immersive things envision para the

1:08:11

environments with for like that five

1:08:13

or whatever that you can do

1:08:15

and the play area. Of

1:08:17

that world is very small yeah so you

1:08:19

can't really move around because he didn't like

1:08:22

dry your play area on the ground or

1:08:24

what ever since sort of puts around you

1:08:26

and you can take like two steps in

1:08:28

each direction before it breaks and you're out

1:08:30

of it and in super hot. If you

1:08:32

have a huge play area you can like

1:08:34

walk across the room and get and crouch

1:08:36

down behind a thing and it will look

1:08:38

like he walked across the room and crouched

1:08:41

down behind a box and none of that

1:08:43

exists on Vision Pro. So in that way

1:08:45

the quests experience is more immersive because you

1:08:47

have more. Play area but.

1:08:50

It's I just stand in place and

1:08:52

look at a character. There's no question.

1:08:54

Division Pro looks more realistic just in

1:08:56

a like foreign buyer like standing on

1:08:58

the moon or Mt hood for example.

1:09:00

I'm just looking out and hearing everything

1:09:02

and seeing everything and how well my

1:09:04

head tracks and how how detailed the

1:09:06

textures are. That part advantage Vision Pro

1:09:08

so there are different things that make

1:09:10

certain experiences more or less immersive in

1:09:12

the player he as a big one.

1:09:15

I think there are other things we

1:09:17

just have experienced Inquest Pro that are

1:09:19

like cause I remember. On our by there

1:09:21

was like being on top of a mountain and it's

1:09:23

just like super high quality. You're. Standing on

1:09:25

top of a mountain and can move

1:09:27

to different areas. Very similar to vision

1:09:29

Pro environments. Yes, So I think we

1:09:31

just haven't experienced enough of it because

1:09:33

I'm sure Quest has plenty of. The

1:09:36

reedy environments you can sit. and mike,

1:09:38

yes at thirty don't look this good.

1:09:41

Yeah but I try to grab your andrew like

1:09:43

yeah on aca like super hot is immersive. not

1:09:45

because it looks good too because it's responses and

1:09:47

spouse near like it. I had the i just

1:09:49

it makes sense to your brain you know to

1:09:51

me and ah yes it's immersive. I get we

1:09:53

are you saying. That. I such

1:09:55

a big part of that is just above isn't

1:09:57

prose. Resolution. Is

1:09:59

some. Sure, yeah, but it or not.

1:10:02

brighter. Which

1:10:04

I wish you and really know that because it

1:10:06

feels brahim us to me. You know when I

1:10:08

look around it seems like there are a lot

1:10:11

of people just assumed. That. Vision

1:10:13

Pro would be higher quality because it's

1:10:15

Apple and costs three thousand dollars more.

1:10:18

For the honestly I'm pretty surprised the

1:10:20

course the so much better for the

1:10:22

vast majority of things that people use

1:10:25

his headsets forth with at his disposal.

1:10:28

Not. Look I know that in have some

1:10:30

fanboys get upset whenever anyone. Without

1:10:33

this entire Eastern hands with realises

1:10:35

I love the her. Every generation

1:10:37

of computing has an open and

1:10:39

close model. And. Yeah, in

1:10:41

mobile Apple's close model one. But.

1:10:44

It's not always that didn't go back to

1:10:46

the Pc era or Microsoft Open Model was

1:10:48

the winner. And. In his next generation,

1:10:51

Mehta is going to be the open model

1:10:53

and I really want to make sure the

1:10:55

open model wins out again. The

1:10:57

future is not yet written. So. Snyder

1:11:00

he's a moment and and yeah says now

1:11:02

he's looking out for asthma. He sees a

1:11:04

nazi wakes up see brushes the macadamia does

1:11:06

start of his hoodie up the water nodded

1:11:09

his yard. he says a normal guy than

1:11:11

one thing in there that I was when

1:11:13

I was the same to this as thinking

1:11:15

of he's like. A lot

1:11:17

of the fanboys will be upset about this.

1:11:20

I was like what about the this puts

1:11:22

it puts oh I like the only company

1:11:24

that doesn't have a bunch of fanboy uruguay

1:11:26

up nearly as like mad I clearly I

1:11:29

advise for sure. Nine. On a

1:11:31

sandwich. The people that defend the company to

1:11:33

the good. just those tortoises. The other hand,

1:11:35

when the African Man is not as numerous

1:11:37

because the much more nice products sir. Yeah,

1:11:39

I like the Quest Ally Net, the like.

1:11:41

the really good product? yeah for sure I

1:11:43

don't know. I wonder if the fans there

1:11:46

are more like I want to use this

1:11:48

to directly compared Apple because I dislike Apple

1:11:50

or that they're like hard core I West

1:11:52

fans his way of looking at it. If

1:11:54

you've been using a Quest. For. Like

1:11:56

a year and a vision pro comes out in you look

1:11:58

at that app store in what. There is no reason

1:12:01

to switch the vision pro. And

1:12:03

if you're Zoc, that's what is happening or

1:12:05

like. I'm shocked that there's no reason for

1:12:07

anyone who's had a a quest rise even

1:12:09

consider that three thousand dollar thing. Apple came

1:12:12

out with no great games, way less content

1:12:14

library like know partnerships like we have like

1:12:16

we've been doing as we are controller the

1:12:18

at all this stuff and my. My.

1:12:21

When I get a vision broke a cluster he

1:12:23

does all this stuff. sites from that perspective makes

1:12:25

perfect sense Because of it out I went quietly

1:12:27

mainstream whereas the Quest as narrow as people who

1:12:29

been playing get beat saber games. Whatever that there

1:12:32

were none of this stuff isn't a result the

1:12:34

not at all dissimilar to like when a Nexus

1:12:36

phone would have something for like four years and

1:12:38

then Apple would put in and I O S

1:12:41

and all of Android people would say we've had

1:12:43

the for five years ago I wouldn't have the

1:12:45

keyboard than any twenty three. A lot of the

1:12:47

times Apple would make it more polished or they

1:12:50

would do it like. In a way that

1:12:52

I'm people who are not willing to

1:12:54

put up with the evolution of technology

1:12:56

would be okay with AH but they

1:12:59

did have. For. A long time before

1:13:01

the of yeah so it's kind of the same

1:13:03

same deals and I also would I would disagree

1:13:05

with. His statement that Apple one

1:13:07

the open vs close interface work as

1:13:09

light yes there debatable generally more popular

1:13:12

in the United States but globally Android

1:13:14

phones are like vastly more popular. I

1:13:16

would also argue that in the long

1:13:19

run Apple sorted did. When the Pcs

1:13:21

or like auto you give your a

1:13:23

hospital you're going to Cilliers. Business.

1:13:26

with a lot of people have. Theses.

1:13:30

At yeah, he definitely over simplified our

1:13:32

now yeah. It's competitors, but

1:13:34

I think in general. He's.

1:13:36

Trying to paint a very broad picture of

1:13:39

how he wants us to go. Yeah, can

1:13:41

you replay the start of that? When we're

1:13:43

time, There's something very specific. he said prize

1:13:45

the courses so much better for the vast

1:13:47

majority of things that people use his headsets

1:13:49

forth. with that price differential that now look

1:13:51

I know. I think it's really funny that

1:13:54

is is like is so much better. For.

1:13:56

What people use these headsets for? Because we've

1:13:58

been making the he said. The years ago

1:14:00

better prose been out for like ammonia often

1:14:02

as they bought Other studios that make the

1:14:05

content is what people use his headsets for

1:14:07

is what quests users have already been doing.

1:14:09

and so yes of course this is what

1:14:11

we ought run down. In

1:14:14

in a Marks defense it's like one of

1:14:16

the reasons I have not been jumping at

1:14:18

the bit to use him prone. The same

1:14:20

with the I. his quest is literally because

1:14:23

of a small little featured like camps have

1:14:25

multiple remote desktop windows like that that that's

1:14:27

a that's have a product killer for my

1:14:29

specific use. Case that we as re like

1:14:31

for the yeah or there's nothing else where

1:14:33

it's it's It's a bummer that you basically

1:14:35

if you want to have multiple and as

1:14:38

up and you have to use Safari in

1:14:40

the Vision Pro yesterday and that's what's. That

1:14:43

that is like a very very opaque

1:14:45

version of Apple's like walled garden. Play

1:14:47

is where I gonna let you just

1:14:49

use whatever browser you. Why? If you

1:14:52

want to have the best experience you

1:14:54

gotta you? Safari Organ Associates Multiple Safari

1:14:56

Windows with the best experience near never.

1:14:58

You can have multiple apps open and

1:15:01

yeah yeah yeah, Does not most my

1:15:03

windows of the same app? Yeah Multiple

1:15:05

Safari A Windows open of Not Like

1:15:07

Play Multiple instances of the Notes app.

1:15:09

Yes, I'm thankful you cannot have. The.

1:15:12

Only you can't have more than one or

1:15:14

the as virtual displays for your Mcadoo and

1:15:16

learning Hulu via fixedly and at least currently

1:15:18

I no other browser companies make visit Fossil

1:15:20

internal our that you can actually a more

1:15:23

than one notes that I think Safari the

1:15:25

when the can have more than Winston said.

1:15:27

We don't need to get into the up

1:15:29

in new not video it's it's crazy that

1:15:31

they didn't just put you know like an

1:15:33

an Apple Silicon M serious chip inside the

1:15:35

vision prose that it could do these things.

1:15:37

oh wait oh oh ace insisting he

1:15:40

says these are intentional the citizens of

1:15:42

our thermal headroom and us yeah that's

1:15:44

that's basically it our reaction to a

1:15:46

ceo reviewing as on products as though

1:15:48

is on the am carl's the did

1:15:50

the throw all not i'm sure he's

1:15:52

been telling her one zero if you

1:15:54

the i phone in a suit of

1:15:56

totally unbiased were certainly had marked didn't

1:15:58

even do through the trouble of dressing

1:16:00

up as Marquez. I'm gonna

1:16:04

need Tim Cook to record

1:16:06

a video response. He's

1:16:08

too busy chilling up the Super Bowl with

1:16:10

Ludacris showing the Vision Bros.

1:16:15

Tim Cook, he's a celebrity. We

1:16:17

can't relate to him. Mark, it's

1:16:19

just him and his cows. That's

1:16:21

a real guy. Tim Cook, when faced

1:16:23

with difficult questions, doesn't try to defend

1:16:26

the product. He just says, buy

1:16:28

your mom an iPhone. Oh,

1:16:31

you make the experience so bad for me when I want

1:16:33

to text my mom. The pictures don't come out good. Buy

1:16:36

her an iPhone. You sound

1:16:38

like a bad son. But

1:16:41

he flips it on you. He flips it on

1:16:43

you. I think Apple's natural response would be, Vision

1:16:45

Pro just came out, give it a second. We

1:16:47

have the best developer community in the world. We

1:16:50

just went from 600

1:16:53

to a thousand apps in the

1:16:55

App Store for Vision Pro. We're

1:16:57

generation one here. I think that's

1:16:59

what their natural inclination would be.

1:17:01

That's also a totally fair response.

1:17:03

I think ultimately, Meta is so

1:17:05

happy that Vision Pro exists for

1:17:07

so many reasons. They're gonna sell so

1:17:09

many Quest Pros for people who are interested in

1:17:11

a similar experience, but don't want to pay $3,500.

1:17:14

They're excited that people are going to

1:17:16

start investing in the mixed reality space,

1:17:19

which tangentially means they're gonna be investing

1:17:21

in Quest content. I can buy this

1:17:23

too. Yeah,

1:17:25

I think for them, it's like a win-win. I

1:17:28

think they definitely want mixed

1:17:30

AR, VR, any type of headset to

1:17:32

be more popular. That's what Apple does

1:17:35

well. They do make things popular, like

1:17:37

ear sticks that come out of your ears. You

1:17:40

guys remember the first generation of AirPods? Yeah.

1:17:43

I lived in San Francisco when that happened,

1:17:45

and all of a sudden, everyone was walking

1:17:47

around with these antennas coming out

1:17:49

of their ears, and I was like, this looks

1:17:51

so dumb. Same. Oh my god. I was laughing

1:17:54

at people for months, and

1:17:56

now it's just completely normal. Yeah.

1:18:00

You get asked a lot, what do I think

1:18:02

is the future of media? We've

1:18:04

been doing this whole 2D YouTube

1:18:06

video thing for a while, and the natural

1:18:08

inclination is yeah, the future would be an immersive

1:18:10

video. The future would be I hold the

1:18:12

video and I hold the phone in my

1:18:14

hand and you can see it like it's in

1:18:17

your hand and you can look around and

1:18:19

that feels like that's the future

1:18:21

we're barreling towards. I just don't know how far

1:18:24

along that line we are yet. I also don't

1:18:26

know if it's actually going to work out that

1:18:28

way. KB3D? Well,

1:18:32

so also HD still. So I used

1:18:34

to run a VR website back in

1:18:36

the day, not run but I wrote

1:18:38

like 90% of the articles for it,

1:18:41

called VR Source and I

1:18:43

started going to Oculus Connect at the

1:18:45

first Oculus Connect forward and at that

1:18:47

time they were like partnering with

1:18:50

all these studios to make these like 3D

1:18:52

short films. So it

1:18:55

was, the way a normal movie works is

1:18:57

they direct your attention to drive the story

1:19:00

but in that circumstance they kind of need

1:19:02

to have multiple storylines going on at the same

1:19:04

time so you can pay attention to one thing,

1:19:07

watch it again, kind of look over here and

1:19:09

pay attention to another thing, notice more things. And

1:19:11

it's a very, very cool idea, not dissimilar

1:19:14

to your like 3D immersive content

1:19:16

thing but it

1:19:18

felt like it took way more work and

1:19:21

it's way harder to be like precise about

1:19:23

what kind of story you want to tell.

1:19:26

And only a few short films

1:19:29

were ever made for that. The Darren

1:19:31

Aronofsky sphere movie had sort of the same issue

1:19:33

where like the canvas was so broad you'd like

1:19:35

look over here and then you'd be like wait

1:19:37

am I missing? What's it? No wait am I

1:19:40

missing the movie? Like you just have to watch

1:19:42

it like six times and no one actually wants

1:19:44

to do that. And that's financially just

1:19:46

not possible with the sphere? Yeah, it's so

1:19:48

hard to do too, yeah. Well

1:19:50

that's about all we have to talk about for now but we

1:19:52

of course should end the episode. You know how we end the

1:19:55

episode? No. I don't... with... It's

1:20:02

trivia. Next time

1:20:06

I'm turning that way. I feel

1:20:08

like people are going to get so mad at this. So

1:20:11

quick update on the score. Marques

1:20:15

in the lead with a single point,

1:20:17

just one point. All the way up

1:20:19

in front. Andrew with one,

1:20:21

two, minus one, zero. David

1:20:25

with zero as well. Two minus one would have been

1:20:27

one though. True. Nice

1:20:30

question. Mark Zuckerberg

1:20:32

famously names all of his cows after famous

1:20:34

kick boxers. Just

1:20:37

kidding. Are you? Are

1:20:40

you kidding? I wish

1:20:42

that were true. Marques, Andrew, you guys

1:20:45

both use speakers in the Yamaha HS

1:20:47

series, a terrific series of speakers. And

1:20:50

those are what we call two-way speakers.

1:20:52

They have two individual speaker drivers on

1:20:54

them. The one on the top that

1:20:56

makes all the high sounds is called

1:20:58

the tweeter. The one in the

1:21:01

middle that makes the lower sounds is called

1:21:03

the what. You

1:21:10

wrote this already? I did.

1:21:15

I'm pretty confident about this one. I'm going

1:21:17

to write this but... Wait,

1:21:19

oh, my pen is not writing

1:21:21

anything. You

1:21:24

can use my alternate if you want. Oh

1:21:27

yeah, give me. Wow, mine

1:21:29

wasn't good enough? All right. You're

1:21:31

out of time. What

1:21:33

do we have? Oh.

1:21:37

Wait. All right. I'm going to put

1:21:39

that on. David,

1:21:44

what did you put? Sub?

1:21:46

I'm sorry. Marques, what

1:21:48

did you put? Woofer.

1:21:50

That is correct. Andrew, what

1:21:52

did you put? Subwoofer? I'm unfortunately not going

1:21:54

to do it. I

1:21:57

never thought I was getting that right anyways. Why

1:21:59

did I just write? Fab. Our biggest sub is

1:22:01

short for sub Woofer which is the lower

1:22:03

version of a warfare but the Yamaha do

1:22:05

not have a sub with that makes it

1:22:08

and you can get yeah you could. Also

1:22:10

there's someone that's gonna be like actually that's

1:22:12

not a woofer because the crossover other eight

1:22:15

a series is that like eighteen hundred her.

1:22:17

It's too high but it's a were for

1:22:19

it and it's a were metal with it's

1:22:21

of it. Yes, it's not a tweet. I

1:22:24

find it funny that the person that invented

1:22:26

these things as like Mertz go tweet and

1:22:28

does death upon us or. I will make

1:22:30

the things got the ice I'm pretty sure our

1:22:32

backs up, etc. I know, I don't know that.

1:22:34

I'll add that is the idea that site like

1:22:36

I'd I have ever had occurred. During

1:22:39

their dog before exactly. What's

1:22:43

a sub was. Oh

1:22:45

yeah, you know, under windows?

1:22:48

To produce mess question of how

1:22:50

old was Palmer lucky when he

1:22:53

made the first prototype of the

1:22:55

Aki was wrists And now that's

1:22:57

how I got lucky. Closest ones.

1:23:00

Sure, We really without going

1:23:02

over prices right No no way and

1:23:04

price is right. You guys messed up the

1:23:07

me it's had closer as multiple choice without

1:23:09

ago it was your our now you can

1:23:11

make me sad still without going over that

1:23:13

makes is not actually trying. Guess what is

1:23:16

the Ama Adela as as a Delta ah

1:23:18

word that's crazy While. I'm

1:23:20

when it gets a difference corner and

1:23:22

either on. Therefore, I'm not into my

1:23:24

since I'm sticking with my as I

1:23:26

actually be courses. Lagoon.

1:23:32

Read what he got, David.

1:23:35

Around nineteen? Wrong Andor.

1:23:38

Twenty. Eight Wrong Marquez Or

1:23:40

a Twenty. Four. Months and

1:23:42

six days. Rather, Over

1:23:44

the hobbies. So for me the seventeen

1:23:47

is eighty eight single more you but

1:23:49

I when I was getting. Attacked.

1:23:54

Or like Css the old Nothing out

1:23:56

of fear for you. Either

1:23:58

David to get a point. As funny

1:24:01

as it is that he didn't go

1:24:03

on Israel, how can we discuss. Now.

1:24:08

On I tried I'm upset I was

1:24:10

gonna say and it's a Athena was

1:24:12

like no I'm sticking to my gun

1:24:14

devices. The Delta it's not going to.

1:24:16

We will reconsider our prices right? Rules

1:24:20

from here on out. Mm Mbss the

1:24:22

stuff. I'm a starting now start a

1:24:24

thing now do you want the me

1:24:26

is that question as well Jetta just

1:24:28

to see if we can have give

1:24:30

how give it to me how all

1:24:32

as a short opposite most yeah this

1:24:34

is actually the for Epsom. Media.

1:24:37

Tax Marketing Department. Of

1:24:40

makes me laugh. With almost everything they said,

1:24:42

they'd have a way of inventing these words

1:24:44

that aren't stupid like a lot of tech

1:24:47

marketing, but they are very funny to ask

1:24:49

me what immensely means police So no demand,

1:24:51

City's not on here and get that is

1:24:53

such a silly word, Watch it actually be?

1:24:55

Or is it real? Demand City

1:24:57

a Mason intensity I am I A so I

1:25:00

just assumed it was I assumed it was to

1:25:02

it doesn't matter. I assumed it was dimension and

1:25:04

density because they're talk. It's like us. Anyway,

1:25:07

anyway, I don't think it's a real were,

1:25:09

all right, But witcher. The following. Media.

1:25:11

Tax branding marketing terms is also

1:25:14

not real. I can only give

1:25:16

you three real ones. One.

1:25:19

Fake one. Are you ready guys?

1:25:22

Ace in Magic which I think as

1:25:24

a portmanteau of either imaging or imagine

1:25:26

and then the word magic but it

1:25:28

also adds in a queue for some

1:25:30

reason not even gonna try to explain

1:25:33

the one I am age, he I

1:25:35

to you in Magic. The

1:25:37

next one is Mira Vision am

1:25:39

I are a vision. This combines

1:25:41

the Spanish word for look mira

1:25:43

with the English word for vision.

1:25:46

Visions sex partner wait to

1:25:48

meet asked and he made

1:25:51

up their circuit. the

1:25:55

skin to be a piecemeal us to set up

1:25:57

set up see it because typically when people use that

1:25:59

word and spare It means they're mad at you

1:26:01

look at me. Yeah, they're saying like Mira Mira look

1:26:03

look you're not getting it. Oh, yeah man,

1:26:06

people use mad at me a lot yeah See

1:26:11

look see a combination of

1:26:13

the words look no way and see

1:26:16

Look see in case you're curious. It's

1:26:18

like a lidar protocol for autofocus instead

1:26:21

of infrared

1:26:24

literally It's look

1:26:26

but then C is with a y se y

1:26:30

Look see look say look see and

1:26:33

then D is mick linker McLinker

1:26:37

is it's a linker and if you don't

1:26:39

know what a linker is It's something that

1:26:41

allows you to take object files in the

1:26:43

system code and then generate executables outside of

1:26:46

a compiler It's the McDonald's linker mick linker

1:26:49

McLinker is spelled exactly like a

1:26:51

McDonald's Can you just

1:26:53

say all four of them out yet again in

1:26:55

magic with a Q Mira

1:26:58

vision one word see look

1:27:01

see Lo, okay se y

1:27:03

and D mick linker This

1:27:11

is one of those ones where you Need

1:27:14

that one to be wrong and it's right

1:27:16

and I just all right

1:27:19

David I wrote B. You wrote B

1:27:21

as in Mira vision is fake. Yeah.

1:27:24

No Mira vision is real. We all

1:27:26

said that you all Did

1:27:28

a magic no, it's look see Adam made that

1:27:30

one. Okay, that was a good. I mean they're

1:27:32

all Se why felt like

1:27:35

it kind of gave it away, but but

1:27:37

mick linker Magic

1:27:41

with a Q is just To

1:27:43

like I've seen that too many

1:27:47

Well, anyway, that was quite that was quite

1:27:49

a journey we all just took together quite the mick

1:27:52

linker We have white the mick linker from From

1:27:55

YouTube thumbnail a B testing. You remember

1:27:57

that remember we talked about that That

1:28:00

was like today all the way through

1:28:02

Taylor Swift and tick-tock Through

1:28:05

the nothing phone to a remember the Vivo

1:28:07

t2 Pro from that no remember that All

1:28:10

the way five of them at the door Versus

1:28:13

vision Pro the episode is literally gonna

1:28:15

take a year off my life This

1:28:17

was a winding journey if you guys

1:28:19

appreciate the the Odyssey

1:28:21

that Adam and Ellis are about to go through to give

1:28:23

this to you guys by Friday I just want to give

1:28:26

this a thumbs up or at least give us a rating

1:28:28

somewhere wherever you listen or watch this Nonetheless,

1:28:30

we'll be back at it next week. So

1:28:33

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1:28:35

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