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right, what is up, people of

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the internet? Welcome

0:36

back to another episode of the Waveform

0:38

Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques.

0:40

I'm Andrew. And I'm David.

0:42

And this week, we've got, let's see, MrBeast, starting

0:44

a show on Amazon Prime. I have some thoughts

0:46

on that. That's kind of an interesting idea that's

0:48

happening. Huge Apex Legends

0:50

hacking scandal, Pixel 8a leaks,

0:53

and Apple possibly using a Google product in

0:55

the iPhone. And we're gonna end with a

0:57

fun game that triggered

0:59

my Google mindset. We're

1:02

gonna end with a fun game that Adam's calling

1:04

Wishlist. It's really good. You're not gonna

1:06

wanna miss it. Oh,

1:08

and also we have a correction from last week. Yes. I

1:11

just saw that. Last week, someone

1:13

convinced me that

1:15

the ozone layer was closed. It's on its way.

1:18

We're working on it. It's not closed. It

1:21

seems like there's not even one hole. Like

1:23

there's several holes and they're all in varying

1:25

degrees. It's still bad. We really got like

1:27

every single part of the ozone layer. Not

1:29

every, most of them. Not

1:32

everything. The correction is the hole

1:34

is not closed. Please

1:36

stop using aerosols. If you

1:38

heard that last episode and went outside with spray cans and

1:40

started spraying them all over the place, that

1:43

was probably not the move. So, not

1:45

bad. But we are working on closing

1:47

it and approximately by 2045, based

1:49

on our sources, it should be closed.

1:53

Keep working, everyone. I'm

1:55

more than just aerosol cans. I'm not co-signing

1:57

that statement. That was just based on information.

2:00

I'm just I'm staying out of the whole ozone

2:02

debate. We're working towards it. There's a whole trying

2:04

We don't want possibly holes. My favorite thing is

2:07

that we use that and I put that out

2:09

as like the intro for the clip last month

2:11

and Immediately the comments. Yeah, we're all you

2:14

lovely people. Thank you. I apologize, which was

2:16

great. Thank you Very lovely. Y'all have our

2:18

back like that. I don't mean to misinform

2:21

so But formation

2:23

other news. Yeah Congrats

2:27

to Marquez for making the ultimate

2:29

frisbee USA World's team The

2:33

actual Olympics team So

2:35

there's no Olympics team. This is

2:38

like a this is a young sport that

2:40

wishes they were in the Olympics Oh, they've

2:42

skateboarding blood. Well, I'm sure is II live

2:44

breakdancing. Yeah, what? Well, okay, let's not another

2:47

I don't want to yeah, I don't want

2:49

to start that honestly I'd rather Donald and

2:51

ultimate ultimate has been like a final contender

2:53

with the Olympic Committee for the past two

2:55

Or three. That is a very confusing Aspect

2:59

of that there are many committees. Yes

3:02

to put it simply This is

3:04

the team the teams that the

3:06

United States is putting together to represent the

3:08

country in an international competition Where every other

3:11

country also puts together a team to represent

3:13

their country and then we all go to

3:15

Australia and on September And try to beat

3:17

every other team. Whoa, whoa, wait September September

3:20

No, Marquez. No, wait what? Nothing

3:26

I didn't know that part. Yeah, it's the first week

3:28

of September Holy

3:31

nothing crazy. Yeah, hopefully Apple if

3:33

you're listening right now People

3:35

say that I sound enough like you

3:37

that we could probably have me do

3:40

a deep fake new the reviews and just thank you Actually,

3:42

you know the iPhone comes out first in Australia.

3:44

Yeah, that's true. Let's stay there. It's really funny

3:46

I was looking for a reason to go to

3:48

Australia and many many times a long time ago

3:51

and at one point The

3:53

team crispy crew which was like

3:55

me Judner Austin

3:57

John and Lou all We

4:00

all thought it would be probably kind of a cool

4:02

idea to go to the earliest

4:05

possible time zone Apple store in the world

4:07

and be the first ones to unbox a

4:09

retail iPhone, which I think would have been

4:11

like one of the coasts of Australia would

4:13

have been the first one. So we almost

4:16

started to plan that and then said, never

4:18

mind. Then realize everything there can kill you. Well,

4:22

and also now that Argos exists, we don't need to do

4:24

that. Other plans are made, but I've never been to Australia.

4:26

I'm looking forward to it and the team is really sick.

4:28

It's cool. Is it in your Sydney that you're going to?

4:30

Do you know? It's the Gold Coast. Oh,

4:33

yeah. Is that on the eastern

4:35

side? Let me just Google that real quick. It's

4:37

cold. Well, we have definitely talked

4:39

about Marques playing for USA teams. You played

4:41

for and world games. You played

4:44

USA beach worlds where

4:46

you represented USA for beach tournament.

4:48

And you played something called WGEC,

4:50

correct? Which is the world game.

4:53

WGEC. Yeah. It's the

4:55

world games and you represented a US

4:57

team, but it's based on the club

5:00

team that won the US championship. So

5:03

this is the actual just picking people from the

5:05

US and creating a team. Yeah. This

5:07

one had a specific tryout process and then

5:09

a selection committee to select the team USA

5:12

teams. How do you try out? Do they

5:14

just watch you play? And they're like, that

5:16

guy has some nice vertical height. Yeah.

5:19

You have to get invited to a tryout.

5:21

Okay. So I got

5:23

200 invitees. And

5:26

it's a long story because I initially was

5:28

not invited to tryout and then I was

5:30

a late added invitee when other people couldn't

5:32

make it. It's all wait listed. Yeah. So.

5:36

Marques. I got wait listed for

5:38

college, but then they didn't actually end up selecting

5:40

me after I got wait listed. Yeah.

5:42

Do you guys not get Marques Brownlee

5:45

Frisbee highlight compilation shorts on your YouTube

5:47

feed? I get a lot of them.

5:49

I've probably seen all of them already. Really? Yeah.

5:53

Sometimes. But they're usually from the ADL

5:55

and they're just, they make them for

5:57

all the players. I get them for like all sorts

5:59

of things. I always have the same caption that

6:01

kind of rubs me the wrong way. No offense,

6:03

Marques, but it's always like, Marques Brownlee better at

6:06

Frisbee than YouTube. And I'm like, yeah, watch it.

6:08

It's my boss you talk about here. You also

6:10

don't have to compare them like that. They're

6:13

very different things. Yeah, they're extremely different.

6:15

My favorite couldn't be any further apart

6:17

than that. Marques's vertical height does not

6:20

matter when he's on camera. There was

6:22

a very funny article. There's an ultimate

6:24

Frisbee blog website called Ulti World. And

6:26

I remember back when we played with

6:28

each other on Hammerhead, so like 2013, there was at

6:31

the same time a

6:33

very good ultimate player who started a YouTube

6:35

channel based on ultimate and amassed

6:38

a pretty solid following. His name was Brody Smith.

6:40

And then Ulti World made an article that's like

6:43

the biggest Frisbee YouTuber isn't who you think

6:45

it is. And then it was about Marques

6:48

talking about nothing about ultimate but tech,

6:50

but how much bigger he was than

6:52

Brody back then. It was a very funny article.

6:54

It's a very strange article. I

6:57

already read that like, yeah, I guess.

6:59

Honestly, though, fire title. I'm

7:02

clicking that. I want to read. The

7:04

biggest ultimate YouTuber isn't who I think

7:06

it is, because I don't think anything

7:08

about that. I have no idea. I've

7:10

never had that thought. Well, if you're

7:12

reading ultiworld.com, you're probably thinking about that.

7:14

If you're in that specific audience. Yeah,

7:17

no, that'll be hopefully not too

7:19

crazy of a time. Speaking of

7:22

being a beast on the field. Here we

7:24

go. I was trying

7:26

to do the segue. You're trying to

7:28

what? Do the segue to the first. OK, I'm

7:30

interested where this is going. Oh, because I'm confused.

7:32

Mr. Beast. Oh, I'm an idiot. That

7:37

was pretty good. I thought that was smart. Apparently

7:41

is launching an Amazon Prime TV

7:44

series that is supposed to be

7:46

the biggest game show in the

7:48

world. Biggest single cash prize, I

7:51

think. OK. From any in

7:53

the history of TV and streaming. I guess it's one

7:55

of the things where you say biggest in the world.

7:57

You don't know what you're comparing. Biggest.

7:59

You think that was like a LeBron set they

8:02

were trying to just have the biggest cash price Yeah, the

8:04

biggest single cash price, which is I think five million dollars,

8:06

right? Pretty sick, which I'm surprised that

8:08

that's the biggest cash price me too. I thought it

8:10

would be bigger It is weird that

8:12

this is a single cash price. So So

8:15

what is like one million dollars today

8:17

or five million dollars today is probably

8:19

about one million dollars when who wants

8:21

to be a millionaire Came out adjusted

8:24

for inflation Do you remember the first guy who ever won

8:26

who wants to be a millionaire? He

8:28

went through the entire thing and didn't use

8:30

a single lifeline until the last question where

8:32

he used phone a friend Called his dad

8:34

and said I'm gonna win a million dollars

8:36

and then won the million Baller

8:39

move and like game show history. I

8:41

have up here James

8:43

whole Houser whole tower the

8:46

Jeopardy legend won four point five

8:48

million dollars, but that's not a

8:50

single cash prize because thank you

8:52

over the course I'm insane wins.

8:54

Yeah, that guy's that does make sense.

8:57

Yeah Anyway, yeah,

8:59

it's it's gonna be very interesting. It's

9:01

kind of crazy to see a youtuber

9:03

moving on to traditional media now And

9:05

it's kind of weird to think about

9:07

that because in my opinion I

9:10

think traditional media needs to move more towards

9:12

YouTube style media. Yeah, not the other way

9:14

around So it's an interesting way of phrasing

9:16

it because I think and I started to

9:18

watch the Colin and Samir Interview

9:20

that they just did with him on which he starts to

9:23

talk about a little bit I didn't finish yet. So I

9:25

will say that but go watch that But

9:27

I think he might not consider it traditional media

9:30

quite all the way on the other side of

9:32

the spectrum obviously YouTube we know what that is

9:34

and we know what Jimmy does on YouTube and

9:37

then there's traditional media, which is like movies

9:41

films TV and then

9:44

somewhere in the middle there's like web shows

9:47

and I think what they're giving Jimmy the

9:49

opportunity to do is unlimited

9:52

budget craziest possible concepts

9:54

and Takes the restrictions

9:57

of this has to fit in

9:59

a YouTube title and thumbnail off

10:01

of it so you can do even crazier things that

10:03

don't necessarily have to perform for a title and thumbnail.

10:07

And yeah, these games sounds really cool. I just think

10:09

that's it's kind of somewhere in the middle of

10:12

not quite YouTube, not quite traditional

10:14

but still works. I feel like I

10:16

would almost argue it's more

10:18

towards traditional. I know it's like streaming but

10:20

I think we're at the point now where

10:22

traditional media is on streaming and like Prime

10:25

is certainly trying to be more like that.

10:27

But I just think they're actually picking a

10:29

good basis of the show that

10:31

is closer to what he normally does so it doesn't

10:33

feel that out of the blue. We've

10:35

seen YouTubers go to traditional media. It

10:39

was who started a talk show? There's been tons

10:41

of there. Yeah, you're probably thinking of Lilly Singh.

10:43

Lilly, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, talk show. And that

10:45

didn't do quite as well. I mean, I'm sure

10:47

still did fine but we don't hear about it

10:49

quite as much anymore. This is like completely

10:52

taking what Mr. Beast does which is like pit

10:54

people against each other for a ton of money

10:56

and it makes sense as a game

10:59

show and it fits well in this category. But

11:01

I think Prime would not be happy

11:03

if you called them a

11:06

web show. They definitely want to

11:08

be considered closer to legacy media and like

11:10

watching on your TV on the Prime app

11:12

or something like that. I think this

11:14

is a... I don't care if you make it, I'm not sure. A bunch of... But

11:17

just saying. I think format-wise this is like

11:20

several hours per competition

11:24

instead of one... Like a Mr. Beast

11:26

video might be 15 minutes long and it's over

11:28

and the whole character arc is in 15 minutes.

11:30

I think this would be like several episodes all...

11:32

Series, right? I think that sounds really cool. Yeah,

11:34

kind of like a love is blind, love island

11:36

kind of thing except not romantic. Yeah, like they

11:38

do a bunch of... Like series I

11:40

think are cool and that's why it feels more towards

11:42

legacy media. Right. And who says

11:44

it can't be romantic? There's nothing against the romantic... There

11:46

are a thousand people. There's a chance that people are

11:49

attracted to each other. I'm trying to figure out what

11:51

makes it legacy. Is it just because of the platform

11:53

it's on? I think a series-based

11:55

game show feels more legacy than...

11:59

No, you disagree with me. No, I'm sorry. I'm stuck on

12:01

the idea of like going to a nice dinner party

12:03

and like someone serves you like a you know Roast

12:05

chicken and you're like, how'd you guys meet you're like,

12:07

oh we were contestants on Beast Games I

12:10

mean, I think say I'm pretty sure mr.

12:12

Beast already did a thing where two people

12:14

were locked in a room and I Don't

12:17

they kept talking afterwards. I don't want to start you

12:19

got me but I'm pretty we Jimmy mr. Beast locked

12:22

For a hundred days. I think it was a funny

12:24

sentence. You said he was on the show He's like you're

12:27

probably wondering why I'm wearing a hazmat suit It's because

12:29

I have two people trapped in it something for like

12:31

a hundred days And I was like, that's a casual sentence

12:33

that only you could say in this exact situation Sometimes

12:36

he sounds like the guy from saw I

12:42

think that the steel makes a ton

12:44

of sense for Amazon though because they

12:46

they now can have all of the

12:48

kids on the Planet be like mom mom. I

12:50

want to watch this but we

12:52

need Amazon Prime. We need prime video This

12:55

is what Spotify thought they were doing with

12:57

Joe Rogan, right? Yeah,

12:59

well it ain't worked its exclusive content

13:01

Yeah on a platform with a talent

13:03

that is really really in high demand

13:06

Yeah, and so people are going to

13:08

be attracted to go find that Content

13:11

and the only way to do it is to

13:13

join Amazon's service. Yeah, well, that's what they

13:15

want I think one other interesting thing in there is at

13:17

first when you said that I was like a lot of

13:19

us have Amazon Prime But didn't we

13:21

just talk a few weeks ago about how they're

13:23

gonna do the like either put ads in it

13:25

or it's another like $3 a month So

13:28

no they make a lot more money from the

13:30

release that banger in there and then there's a

13:32

new way of making money We're a great great

13:35

point because yeah I would actually you would think

13:37

that the target demographic for the show is probably

13:39

going to be younger kids and if they're younger

13:41

kids They probably have parents and if they have

13:43

parents they probably have Amazon Prime because a lot of people

13:45

in the US that have Amazon Yeah, but

13:48

now that they put ads in

13:50

the content they get to milk

13:52

all that ad money Oh, they're

13:54

mid-rolls. They just added ads

13:56

to Amazon Prime content. This is a trivia

13:58

question Three minutes per

14:01

half an hour of content. I believe

14:03

remember Yeah, they

14:05

added ads for prime video now So you

14:07

can not pay anymore and now you get

14:09

about three minutes per half an hour of

14:11

ads During watching streaming content

14:13

on video or you can pay three dollars more

14:15

a month and then you get new ads Which

14:18

is wild cuz Amazon Prime already caused Oh Quite

14:21

a bit. They've been slowly how much is

14:23

Amazon Prime right? It's like 15 How

14:26

much like a hundred something a year? I thought

14:28

it was like close Well, let's just look it

14:30

up before I guess 30 times Well hundred and

14:32

forty dollars look it up before we get to

14:34

the ozone around around ten twelve bucks a month

14:36

Which is like around the same

14:39

as YouTube premium maybe within a couple dollars

14:41

of each other a month It is and

14:43

you get the like shipping benefits, but I

14:45

would argue prime videos library is Listen,

14:48

there's some good stuff on prime video, but it's

14:50

nowhere near as good as Netflix or you'll forget

14:53

Music which is really good. Actually, I

14:56

don't use it, but It's

14:58

really good. Really really I'm trying to

15:00

remember what makes it good Catalog

15:06

of the app and I don't think there's any other option.

15:09

It's something about the catalog. Okay, go

15:11

ahead I was just thinking you know

15:13

in the current streaming space There's now

15:16

like so many players that it's actually

15:18

like a reasonably hard Like

15:20

field of competitors to like differentiate

15:23

yourself from so I think it

15:25

might be actually in Amazon's

15:28

favor for people to think of this

15:30

more as a web show because now

15:32

all of a sudden Amazon is the

15:34

platform that has the stuff that everyone

15:36

else has like movies TV and TV

15:38

and They have this

15:40

other tier that was previously like solely

15:42

occupied by YouTube I

15:44

think that's a really good point to differentiate whether

15:46

you think it's a web show or legacy

15:48

or anything Totally what they're going for

15:51

because a lot of other streaming platforms

15:53

are more sought after than Prime despite

15:55

most people having prime already Okay, the

15:57

reason prime music is good. Yeah, because

15:59

it is part of Prime and it

16:01

basically has all of the same features as

16:03

Spotify and it doesn't

16:05

have ads so it's basically like

16:07

having Spotify premium built into built-in your

16:09

Prime subscription just like no one really

16:11

knows about it and because

16:14

it's Amazon I'm guessing the UX is

16:16

dog water and if you want to

16:18

like send a

16:20

song to your friends they have to be like yeah but

16:22

they have podcast stations

16:28

and songs at no extra cost

16:30

so I think my biggest question

16:32

is because they said Jimmy

16:34

will be the executive producer of this

16:37

I'm it's it's gonna be

16:39

the host did he mention that in the column center

16:41

so I didn't get that far but I imagine he'd

16:43

be hosting I would imagine the host and then I

16:45

wonder how much more he'll have to do with it

16:47

because he clearly loves his own channel and I think

16:49

that's his first priority so I'm I

16:52

just when we work with legacy media

16:54

or like more normal production crews it's

16:56

very different for us and a very

16:58

slow process and as a youtuber that's

17:00

so much different and kind of frustrating

17:02

sometimes frustrating so like I'm assuming I'm

17:04

wondering how much he's gonna have to

17:06

do with it because that feels like

17:08

it'll take a significant chunk out of

17:11

his time I think that's gonna be

17:13

the most annoying thing to Jimmy specifically

17:15

knowing Jimmy is how quickly

17:17

and efficiently he is able to shoot the

17:19

reality is like it's unscripted content and it's

17:21

just an idea and once it's going you're

17:23

just shooting everything trying to

17:25

do that with Amazon with a crew that's

17:27

not his I imagine and with big ideas

17:30

that this crew is not used to shooting

17:32

the Amazon lawyers the latency is

17:34

gonna be so so frustrating

17:38

but hopefully worth it because I think you've got a bag

17:40

and he's got a lot of ideas that he wants to

17:42

do cool things with this I'm sure it's gonna be worth

17:45

it in the end but that's gonna be the thing that's

17:47

probably yeah one thing I keep thinking about with mr.

17:49

Beast in particular is he's mentioned multiple times how

17:51

he's gotten to the point now with his channel where

17:53

he can't find sponsors big enough willing to like pay

17:56

for his videos which is one of the reasons

17:58

why feastables is like so important to him Who

18:01

got the better end of this deal? Jimmy

18:05

I agree Amazon or Jimmy Amazon loves

18:07

throwing money at things that don't fully

18:09

work out for How no one

18:11

really cares about Amazon Prime like streaming, you

18:13

know, so like now they have mr. Beese

18:16

They're trying win for Amazon is probably converting

18:18

some number of people to being new Prime

18:20

subscribers For a long

18:22

time and I when I when you ask

18:24

that question I go back to like who

18:27

won the Joe Rogan Spotify deal. I would

18:29

say Joe Rogan I mean a hundred million

18:31

dollars. Yeah, but I to a company that

18:33

can afford that. Yeah So I think it

18:35

really worked out for Spotify too. I was

18:37

cuz that deal just expired I think just

18:40

like a few weeks ago. Just got renewed,

18:42

right? Yeah, it got renewed But I think

18:44

that he's available on other platforms now. It's

18:46

not Yeah, so now it's like

18:48

they're still paying him to be on the platform and it's

18:50

almost like the rest of the Conversation

18:53

around that was also Earned

18:56

media attention for Spotify. Oh definitely and

18:58

maybe some of that is the same

19:00

for Jimmy Like Jimmy's now talking about

19:02

Amazon Prime, right and who

19:04

knows how much that would have cost them. Yeah for Joe

19:06

Rogan It's like a hundred million dollars is a hundred million

19:08

dollars But yeah, you know for Spotify I think it was

19:10

a really big thing too because they a lot of the

19:12

time when I ask people like oh do you listen to?

19:14

Podcasts like yeah, and I send them a pocket cast link

19:16

and they're like, what is this? I use Spotify Yeah,

19:19

it seems like a lot of people

19:21

use Spotify for my Spotify for all

19:23

my potty, which is pretty crazy I

19:25

also want to make a quick amendment

19:27

on that Amazon Prime music the free

19:29

one that comes with your prime subscription

19:31

Okay, you can't select songs. It's like

19:33

shuffle only playlist It's

19:36

just Pandora Five

19:39

five free does that you literally can't

19:41

like play through. Are you kidding me?

19:43

Yes It's one of

19:45

the most pointless products I personally don't

19:47

I couldn't do that Okay, so it's

19:49

basically Spotify free except it doesn't have

19:51

ads which is nice. Okay, but that

19:54

is crazy I've Wow, I've never had

19:56

Spotify free except when it first

19:58

came out. Yeah, that's nuts Yeah,

20:00

tell me a rich One

20:06

of these Twitter threads came up of like here's

20:09

a list of the best money I ever spent

20:11

and I was thinking about that like what's the

20:13

best money I ever spent and the two things

20:15

at the top of My list are one expensive

20:17

thing and one not expensive thing. Yeah, LASIK is

20:19

the best money I've ever spent for sure and

20:21

YouTube premium Yeah In

20:24

comparison to every other like

20:27

streaming. Yeah, it's very expensive

20:29

However time is money the number of

20:31

ads. I don't have to skip is crazy

20:34

as I log into the autofocus account to upload

20:36

and I'll be like uploading while browsing in the

20:38

background and there's Really

20:41

I will go on YouTube in incognito mode because

20:43

I don't want it to affect my algorithm when

20:45

I'm doing research and stuff and The

20:48

experience of not having YouTube premium is insane

20:50

I cannot believe that people do that every

20:52

day and I imagine that has just gotten

20:54

worse and worse and worse over time Yeah,

20:56

I can vouch for that being my top

20:58

two. Yeah, it's expensive But it's like probably

21:00

the best quality of life purchase you can

21:02

make. Yeah. Yeah, no, I agree

21:04

So actually the thing I'm gonna talk about later

21:06

is similar It's way too expensive and I could

21:08

never not use it anymore, but we'll get to

21:10

that at the end of the episode Okay, cool.

21:12

One more quick story before our first ad break.

21:15

No, you know, you segue Right,

21:17

that was my that's no, come on. Yeah,

21:20

I feel like we're reaching the apex of

21:22

this episode. Yeah Well,

21:24

that's you asked for it. I don't like

21:26

yeah, I'm just hacking around here. We don't

21:28

know where we're going around I'm

21:31

not I'm no legend of segues, but I

21:33

see what you know So

21:42

there's kind of an interesting story that I just want to

21:44

touch on quickly You guys all

21:46

know the game apex legends. Mm-hmm. So like really

21:48

popular a few years ago It still is very

21:50

popular, but maybe not quite as much. It was

21:52

in the whole battle royale crazy It's like

21:54

it's fortnight with more running. It's

21:56

with over an overwatch. It's Titanfall

21:58

running. It's Titan Battle Royale is

22:01

what all of these mean nothing to me. Well,

22:03

one of them's right and it's me. It's kind

22:05

of overwatch, right? It's also

22:07

kind of Dota. I could see it. It's

22:09

not though. I mean you're they all have

22:11

skills. They all have skills Okay, which yes

22:17

Anyway, so it's it's a battle royale game.

22:19

Everyone knows a battle royale game, right? It's

22:21

like X amount of people drop last one

22:23

wins Fortnight curtain So

22:26

they were having the North American region

22:28

or finals I believe and in the

22:30

middle of the finals a bunch of

22:33

people who were streaming their games Just

22:37

started hacking out of nowhere So

22:39

like a cup things were going on their screens

22:41

where they can all of a sudden see everybody

22:43

on the map They were having aimbot so their

22:45

gun just like was automatically shooting and shooting people

22:48

perfectly in the head every time and Like

22:50

at first when it only happens like one person

22:52

that they saw it kind of felt like have

22:54

you ever seen the old meme

22:57

clip of like this girl streaming counter-strike

22:59

and she Accidentally shows that she's hacking

23:01

and then just like randomly starts blaming

23:03

it on her friend Clara who installed

23:06

hacks on her computer Yeah,

23:10

it felt like one of those weird excuses

23:12

like oh this hack just came out of

23:14

nowhere Like I don't know how it happened

23:16

But it happened to multiple people in the

23:18

middle of the tournament and this all hacking and

23:20

they were just all like well The people that it

23:23

came up to they just quit the game because they

23:25

didn't want they were playing in a team and they

23:27

didn't Want their team to be disqualified and noble Respawn

23:30

the company had to wind up Postponing

23:34

the entire final because it happened to

23:36

so many different people randomly throughout the

23:38

game That's crazy that there was some

23:40

sort of security breach and it literally

23:42

one guy's screen The little like hack menu

23:45

came up Enabled like two things

23:47

and then went away and then he was

23:49

like I can't look at people It's just

23:51

like shooting at them. So someone was just

23:53

directly controlling there somehow they haven't quite figured

23:55

it out yet A bunch

23:58

of pros have said they're still trying to figure I know

24:00

there's this one streamer still trying to figure

24:02

out what's going on I know there was

24:04

one guy he looked at and at one

24:06

point it showed like the IP address of

24:08

the server They were connected to so they're

24:10

not sure if something like that happened It's

24:12

just very strange that in the middle it

24:14

happened to multiple people inside the same Lobby,

24:17

yeah, because like that's a private lobby. That's not

24:19

straight Normal land

24:21

or they wasn't local land. No, they were all

24:23

it was online Yeah,

24:26

and Like response doesn't figured

24:28

it out There's an anti-cheat software that some

24:31

people thought maybe it got into the anti-cheat

24:33

software And that's like an executable executable file

24:35

on your computer. Maybe it went through there

24:38

Respawn hasn't exactly Said

24:41

anything they did make a response

24:44

that was like very vague and just like we

24:46

understand it was a problem We're trying to figure

24:48

it out and your securities are highest priority But

24:50

there's a few pros out there who are just

24:52

like maybe you guys shouldn't launch apex

24:54

quite yet And this might change by the time

24:57

it comes out But I just

24:59

thought that's wild to affect an entirety

25:01

of a professional scene finals match. Yeah

25:04

Start making all of them cheat and then

25:06

who knows all the people who aren't professionals

25:09

in here if there is a while Like

25:11

wide security breach just through the software itself.

25:13

You know the upside is if

25:16

you were cheating you just go me too

25:18

Oh, I did think about that Just

25:21

like them. Oh, it's crazy. There it is

25:23

Clara The

25:26

Dota 2 world champions they did championships they

25:28

do every year called the international It's

25:31

always in person local area network.

25:33

They have like all the computers

25:35

are are Supplied by valve

25:38

they all have the exact same like keyboard set

25:40

up and mouse set up and stuff. I think

25:42

they can use Different my

25:44

stuff that like sponsored by it. That's something

25:46

that's really interesting because um recently I think

25:49

it's Valorant I'm not totally sure but there's

25:51

a keyboard company called wooting who's been

25:54

super popular in the gaming community and A

25:57

new thing they were doing is they had to bring their

25:59

keyboards in get chills And then they had to

26:01

be locked in the venue because if they

26:03

brought them back they're worried They could somehow install hacks

26:05

on there. So wooting was like you board. Yeah That's

26:08

how some people bring them in they bring them

26:10

in through their like mouse or their keyboard and

26:12

then put it onto the computer Right because you

26:14

could have you can install like macros on here

26:16

because that's cereal bus was universal baby So

26:20

wooting was like any professional who has their

26:22

keyboard that they love locked away inside of

26:24

a venue right now We'll send you a

26:26

free one. It was like awesome great marketing

26:28

for them But yeah, it's getting more It's

26:30

weird how many people will cheat inland

26:32

in person that people watching them and still

26:34

think they can get away with it That

26:36

is crazy Can you picture the real-life sports

26:38

equivalent of this like? Running onto

26:41

the field during a game with a syringe

26:43

like giving someone a quick I

26:47

Mean it can also be like they're

26:50

like there are shoes in running that

26:52

will make you faster I remember reading

26:54

a wired story about this new these

26:56

like you knew Nike running shoes that

26:58

made people beat world records Yeah So

27:01

if you maybe were able to like hide some

27:03

sort of like insole inside of this I

27:06

mean like it kind of could imagine some

27:08

equipment manager in a baseball stadium Just corked

27:10

all the bats and didn't tell anybody and

27:12

all of a sudden there were like 18

27:14

home runs hit that game That's a myth

27:17

with a corked bat. Yeah better. Yeah, it's

27:19

actually much worse And then why

27:21

but people did it no people did do

27:24

it It's because baseball players are not smart

27:26

But there's like man There's like totally like

27:28

like a bunch of like sports Put

27:30

it to the test and it like totally

27:32

nerfs your back Which makes it even crazier

27:34

that people got out there with cork bats

27:37

and just crushed those things. That's an incredible

27:39

placebo Yeah, that's really Sure,

27:42

but I'm sure about okay. Okay. I can't wait for

27:44

the comments. I'm just yeah By

27:46

the ozone do at that point at that point I would

27:48

just be an equipment manager and be like hey Yeah,

27:52

slay this one and then just watch them like

27:54

crush. No Okay,

27:56

well, yeah. Well, yeah placebo. Yeah, see

27:58

both the hell drug. Maybe

28:01

they didn't get hacked. Maybe this was just

28:03

placebo and they were really good at aiming.

28:05

Yeah. Yeah.

28:07

placebo does work. It's a real thing. That's

28:09

true. But yeah, no, this is interesting. I

28:11

think it's especially because we're now

28:14

in this world where esports are very, very

28:16

high stakes. The best sports.

28:18

I mean, I do love watching esports. But

28:22

it's so different from like traditional sports in

28:24

so many ways. But you are

28:26

now vulnerable to all of these technical

28:29

like security breaches and flaws and stuff.

28:32

I think that's why you should do everything

28:34

in local area network. But yeah,

28:36

I don't know why it was weird because then

28:38

you have to make the differences in internet speed

28:40

and all of this stuff. Yeah, I don't know

28:42

why I'm sure someone out there who follows the

28:45

apex scene does it. I think just battle royales

28:47

are a lot harder to do because it's 100

28:49

players at a time. So

28:51

and like generally if you're playing Counter-Strike

28:53

or Dota, you only need 10 people on the stage.

28:56

They have done Fortnite LAN stuff. They've done stuff

28:58

like that. But having 100 people on the stage

29:00

is way harder. Yeah. Just

29:03

have it in one of those expo halls

29:05

where people just bring all their computers for

29:07

the overnight Quake games. Like

29:09

that old Bass Hunter

29:11

music video where they're playing a concert and

29:13

there's the whole LAN center. That's the Dota

29:16

one. Yeah, the Dota one. Yeah, it's about

29:18

Dota by the way. Definitely. I just connected

29:20

those. Yeah. When you translate

29:22

it, it's like my girlfriend always wants my attention

29:24

but I don't want to hang out with her.

29:26

I just want to play Dota. It

29:28

says things about in the game. It's like pushing

29:31

mid and like flowers and stuff like that. The

29:33

music video is him just playing Dota nonstop with

29:35

a headset on and his girlfriend is all over

29:37

him and he's like, get away from me. I

29:39

need to watch that again. It's amazing. That's

29:41

so funny. It's a banger song. It's Dota 1 though

29:43

which was Dota All-Stars which was a Warcraft 3 mod.

29:45

So it's a pretty old song. Shout out to Bass

29:47

Hunter. That was a good time. Yeah. Good

29:50

time to be alive. We're going to

29:52

get copyright struck now. Dang

29:54

it. Alright. Well, we should take a quick

29:56

break. We got a bunch more tech to talk about. Stuff that's out

29:59

now. Stuff that we wish existed. So we'll

30:01

get to that, but first let's do...

30:08

True, yeah. Previously

30:14

on Waveform, we talked about

30:16

how many famous names in pro

30:19

audio are now owned by

30:21

Samsung. Unfortunately. Except

30:24

Bose. Bose has

30:26

a majority of its non-voting shares

30:28

owned by what? Scientific

30:31

Institute. I think I remember this.

30:35

This is a Scientific Institute.

30:38

Scientific Institute. It

30:40

does not have actual board control,

30:42

like it can't vote, but it

30:44

does have a majority stake in

30:46

non-voting shares. Which is very cool

30:48

in my list opinion. And this

30:50

doesn't necessarily mean a majority stake

30:52

in total shares. I

30:54

was trying to figure that out and

30:57

I'm not business savvy enough to totally

30:59

exactly tell. I think they might actually

31:01

have a majority of the shares. I

31:03

think so too, I think that's correct.

31:05

But they're not allowed to vote in

31:07

shareholder conferences. They have to just be

31:09

like... There's the sugar daddy. Essentially,

31:12

yeah. And they were also, these

31:14

shares were donated to the Institute,

31:16

which is very cool in my

31:18

humble list opinion. Yeah, to donate

31:20

your company to science when

31:23

you're Bose. Epic. Baller.

31:25

Interesting move. Well, we'll think on it.

31:28

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31:30

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33:13

with Pixel leaks. They got tons and tons

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Pixel 7a was already a very very nice

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the 6a did. Got that wireless

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charging and upgraded cameras. It was it was pretty pretty

33:28

good upgrade but then now the Pixel 8a is

33:33

apparently gonna be like basically a

33:35

Pixel 8. Yeah pretty much.

33:37

Yeah starting off it's got Tensor G3

33:39

which is pretty awesome because then now

33:41

all of the pixels all the... It's

33:43

not even really I mean it's not

33:45

flagship technically but yeah it's basically a

33:47

Pixel 8. It's the best silicon

33:50

they've made. Yeah it's their highest end silicon.

33:52

It's theoretically going to get 120 Hertz which

33:56

Again, pushing it all the way up more. 1400 nits. A

34:00

peak brightness have from a thousand

34:02

and it's potentially going to get

34:05

that display port output support that

34:07

recently got added to the pixelate.

34:09

So yeah, apparently it's. And

34:12

then he got enabled in an injured fourteen

34:14

beta of let Not Fully Out by like

34:16

the fact that it will have the support

34:19

for it. So what does that? Yeah, Fully

34:21

com. I think in the article said they're

34:23

expecting hundred sixteen tab like the full support

34:26

of it. But yeah, Attack. Yes, Yes. So

34:28

I mean this is kind of good news

34:30

because the small phone is dead. Ah, but

34:32

Rip with the eight at the A series

34:35

is technically slightly smaller than the regular ones

34:37

idly as and huge bold text is still

34:39

a point one in the screen. I do

34:42

like. I dig the curved edges kind of

34:44

more than the regular pixel that the so like

34:46

yeah I can have a little Korea has different

34:48

aesthetic. I wish I was a bit smaller also

34:50

really quickly. Want to say it with a small

34:53

phone being dead there's a lot of people were

34:55

like the Zen Phone Ten and the As Twenty

34:57

four are basically the same for Saw As and

34:59

the holding both of them. The Zen phone feals

35:01

smaller like I went from then Phone Ten sarge

35:04

as Twenty Four and it felt like. A

35:06

chunk earphones? Yeah it does have way more

35:08

screen like the screen size doesn't fully because

35:10

the Zinfandel a bigger vessels. Yeah you get

35:13

more out of it and I love it

35:15

now. Planning. Doesn't phones a smaller from?

35:17

I think that was thousand or anything. But

35:19

then phone? Yes, it's roughly close to the

35:21

same footprints as Twenty Four of, but the

35:23

fact that the display was actually bit smaller

35:25

meant that you could reach the corners easier.

35:27

for it's easier in the Celtic smaller. The

35:29

hand of I put both of them in

35:31

your hand with your eyes closed and you

35:33

didn't feel like the camera bonser, discerning features

35:36

like your be actors and from feels like

35:38

a smaller funk. Yep, Yep. Okay, so yeah,

35:40

this to me, eight A suggests two things

35:42

at least. One. Ah,

35:44

it's going to be more expensive than

35:47

a seventy Rights? I think it has

35:49

to. I wonder this because the Pixel

35:51

Eight recently dropped him under five hundred

35:53

dollars. Like. Not I got a

35:56

delay on sale and it's like needs

35:58

late enough sense. The lawns. That.

36:00

You can lower it to that price, but

36:02

then if you've launched that a series and

36:05

it's the same price or more expensive that

36:07

doesn't make any sense Either a series go

36:09

up last year or that the year before

36:11

by two hundred dollars I said feals, we're

36:13

would be Rossiter. what up again the after.

36:16

The. Yeah, it's going up from a thousand and

36:18

fourteen hundred needs is going up from ninety. Heard

36:20

Two hundred Twenty Her It's it's going up from

36:22

Tensor Gtz three is going up and screen size

36:24

going up in a law degree says it. Instances

36:26

of same sex while on the at home. But

36:29

yeah it's going up in a much of things.

36:31

will be nice if it's the same website. Hundred

36:33

are starting price but I'm not enough yet. Yeah,

36:35

I know, I hope so. I'm certain

36:37

nothing would love if it went up so they could be

36:39

the three hundred fifty dollar phone that. Yes,

36:42

Feels better. They're out of it. Yeah, I would

36:44

guess he said one of a hundred dollars. Last

36:46

year I think he went it went to for

36:48

ninety nine and and I think it was. I

36:50

think that it was sick say was three Ninety

36:53

Six they launched at for forty nine. Okay so

36:55

one of two hundred ft dollars? Yeah and then

36:57

it went up. Another. It.

37:00

Originally started a series at three sets.

37:02

The right? yes hello hello, at least

37:04

the for a was three sets. The

37:06

Arab? okay yeah. Yeah. This

37:09

one up, it's up for ninety nine now.

37:11

and one up again. from that. I would

37:13

be insane though didn't Because yeah, regular than

37:15

my. The Pixel A was what Six Ninety

37:17

Nine. Yeah. Starting yeah I

37:19

replied. net was it Five Ninety nine? Nothing

37:21

as higher. Those.

37:23

The way which one is

37:26

obesity. I thought it did go.

37:28

I think it went up by a hundred

37:30

dollars of sixteen. Annika is very can see

37:32

as when I was Nasa's together after Love

37:34

or for yeah forgot about Zach as as

37:36

a three hundred dollar gap between a picks

37:38

late night pro The seven. started at

37:41

five ninety nine point nine witch man for

37:43

eight hours valid one of the best deals

37:45

ever in the apartment are coming that sorry

37:47

i thought flooding the yeah so so yeah

37:49

that the base pixel great deal the pro

37:52

three into more dollars hard to justify but

37:54

the only i guess had this implies is

37:56

that dead pixel eight past the has even

37:58

more than the 8a so if we're talking

38:00

14 pixel 9 s7 sorry pixel 9 so

38:02

if we're talking 1400

38:05

nits 120 Hertz you know tensor g3 then

38:10

what is pixel 9 I mean the

38:12

iPhone is 2000 nits right yeah I think we're gonna

38:15

probably be 2000 nits yeah will it be

38:17

1440 will it be higher refresh

38:19

rate what other things will be better and something

38:21

added your camera Samsung added qhd to the regular

38:23

24 yeah they could easily

38:25

do that yeah so stuff like that yeah

38:28

wait to the regular 24 that's 24 plus

38:30

the plus I think just the plus because I'm

38:32

sure mine's over the space is 180 but they

38:34

added qhd to the plus got it so that's

38:36

that's the other thing I'm thinking like okay what

38:39

is the higher end pixel gonna gonna have and

38:41

what is the price gap gonna be between all

38:43

three phones in the lineup mm-hmm again

38:45

Wow 699 versus 999 to go pixel 8 pixel

38:50

8 pro and get a telephoto and not

38:54

a ton else that could tell that could be

38:56

an interesting comparison though where if you consider the

38:58

8a the s24 the 8 the s24

39:03

plus and the pro the 24 ultra

39:05

that is

39:08

a similar lineup where you get the

39:10

jump in screen resolution you get a

39:12

bunch of new things like there

39:15

so here's the awkward thing Google

39:17

is currently selling the pixel 8

39:19

for 499 on their

39:21

website so that's

39:23

the thing about timing like when this

39:25

one comes out we're expecting it around

39:27

Google IO right yeah like May June

39:29

I'm gonna have from now so will it

39:32

be smart to buy this new phone and get

39:34

maybe some more user software updates or will it

39:36

be smart to buy the old flagship which is

39:38

already the price for a game back right but

39:40

will Google do the thing we're so used to

39:42

them doing where when they release this they

39:45

also show something at IO that's locked

39:48

software wise into the 8a for some reason

39:50

and then won't be available till the 9

39:52

and that makes that is

39:54

the difference between them also and this

39:56

is crazy currently on the Google Store

39:58

you get $200 off and if

40:00

you join Google Fi you get $500 back in Google

40:02

Fi credits. You

40:06

basically get the phone for free if you

40:08

buy and join Google Fi. Yeah. I

40:11

over a- Carrier deals are always like some, I

40:14

know they're winning. I'm

40:16

not the one winning with a carrier deal. Yeah, I mean

40:18

they're all winning. It is super awkward that there's a lot

40:20

of deals like that and it's going to be around the

40:22

same price. Will it go up when

40:24

the A-Day comes out? I doubt it.

40:28

It is super weird that the A comes

40:30

out like six months after the regular

40:32

one because just the life cycle of

40:35

phones. I agree. Phones get so much

40:37

cheaper so fast. Like within two

40:39

months of being launched there's already a $200 off deal

40:41

somewhere. I feel

40:43

like I've always said it's just come out with

40:45

the regular lineup. Yeah. It's

40:48

also so weird watching like the cheaper

40:51

quote unquote worse phone coming out after

40:54

the light flagship version of it being on the same

40:56

number. Yeah. The number of things

40:58

is weird. It's very confusing. It's weird that they're on the

41:00

7A right now but the 8's have been out for half

41:02

a year. Well with Samsung and just be like, all right

41:04

this is the Pixel 24A. We're skipping something. Yeah. Pixel

41:07

X. Pixel X. Yeah.

41:10

I wanted to bring up, sorry

41:12

I interrupted. No, go ahead. Because of the

41:14

DisplayPort output thing. Just because

41:16

everyone always asks about decks and a certain

41:19

someone in this office started using decks the

41:21

other day. I wanted to know how it's

41:23

going. I love it. I'm

41:25

a decks boy now. I love it. It's

41:27

really converted. Tell me one thing you use it

41:30

for. Writing scripts. Got it. Fully

41:32

converted. Fully converted. I walk in in the

41:34

morning, I drop my backpack by my desk.

41:38

I just walk into our little gaming setup

41:40

and plug in my phone which has a

41:42

monitor, has a keyboard, has a mouse

41:44

already attached and I just work there until everyone

41:46

shows up. Which is usually

41:48

Andrew at like 8.30. I

41:51

actually would like to see your decks setup. There

41:54

was one interesting thing about the setup though which

41:56

was you were using it on this like ultra

41:59

wide monitor. to just download a specific

42:01

thing for that resolution and it still was

42:03

like stretched on it? Cause we have like

42:05

an ultra, ultra wide monitor in there. It's

42:07

like advanced wide, not just regular wide. It's

42:09

like six by 24 wide. It's

42:12

ridiculous. So there's an app you have to

42:14

download, a separate app that you have to

42:16

go into the settings to enable it to

42:18

be like 4K widescreen, which is fine for

42:20

most 4K widescreen like monitors. We have this

42:22

crazy behemoth in there, so even that wasn't

42:24

wide enough. So everything's a little stretched, but

42:27

when I go home and plug it into my desk at home,

42:29

it's completely fine. Another use case for you, while

42:32

I'm on my Dext tirade now, yesterday

42:34

we did a special interview episode. I'm

42:36

not gonna spoil it here. Dextre day.

42:39

Dextre day. I was uploading all

42:42

of the files, or I was importing all of the

42:44

files to my computer and it was like 5.15, 5.30

42:46

and I had to go home. It

42:48

still said it had an hour to import and then

42:51

after that I had to upload it to Dropbox, which

42:53

I knew was gonna take forever. So

42:55

what I did was, I just left my computer

42:57

on, I went home, plugged in my

42:59

Dext, remoted into my work laptop and kept

43:01

working from home. You could remote in from

43:04

your Dext? I remoted in and started uploading.

43:06

From your Dext? From Dext. This is the

43:08

future that fits one. And then I started

43:10

uploading the files to Dropbox, left it going

43:13

overnight, came this morning completely good. That's crazy.

43:16

I know that you had mentioned to me that you were

43:18

able to like, you had the phone connected

43:21

and you took a picture and then you were able to just

43:23

like upload it because it was Dextre. Yeah, you could just use

43:25

your phone. Yeah, that's great. Very

43:27

cool, good use guys. I did recently

43:29

notice that Slack added a feature where

43:33

if you upload a photo on your phone before

43:36

you even hit send and it's like uploaded, when

43:38

you look on your computer, it'll have been there.

43:41

The draft is there, which is really, really handy.

43:44

Slack, as an Android user, Slack is my

43:46

way of transferring pictures between my phone and

43:48

my Mac. I used to use Telegram for

43:50

that. Yeah, there's still, I mean, nearby share

43:53

is better. It's not called the new version,

43:55

it's called Quickshare Now, which is also a

43:57

Samsung thing that now became a Google thing.

44:00

because of their weird relationship. That

44:03

is getting better, but I still, Android

44:06

just needs, it needs that seamless

44:08

list that AirDrop has. Well, and

44:10

I'm also doing it through a Mac computer, which makes it,

44:12

yeah. That's the problem. There is that hack that we made

44:15

the shorts about, where you can now quick share to a

44:17

Mac, and

44:19

you can AirDrop to an Android phone

44:21

with two different applications. Why need

44:23

a hack when you can use a Slack? True.

44:27

Wow. Yeah, wow. Tell them. That

44:29

would make a t-shirt. That's so good. That's crazy

44:32

that you just flex new taglines. I'm gonna get

44:34

Salesforce on the phone right now. That helps after

44:36

my horrible segue from earlier in the episode, but

44:38

you still need a segue. For

44:41

this one? Yeah. Like the mobility? Well, who's gonna intro

44:43

it? Speaking

44:47

of... I

44:50

got a default segue. It's like,

44:52

ooh, I have it. Speaking of

44:54

Google and Apple stuff working

44:57

together. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Come on,

45:00

that's pretty good. That's pretty good.

45:02

Speaking of Google and Android stuff

45:04

working together, there are rumors of

45:06

Apple being in talks to let

45:09

Gemini power future iPhone AI features,

45:12

which is fascinating because we

45:14

had... I have this whole thought that's been brewing for a

45:16

while in a video I've been working on, which is on

45:19

all the AI stuff already happening

45:21

versus how we expect Google and

45:23

Apple to counter what's

45:26

happening. But

45:28

also, it's hard

45:30

to ignore how bad Siri has been for so

45:32

long and does Apple even care to make Siri

45:34

better when they've had this long to improve it

45:36

and haven't done anything? And now to see this,

45:38

it's like, oh, that

45:41

kind of solidifies in my mind that

45:43

Apple doesn't also care about Siri nearly

45:45

as much as I was hoping. It

45:47

is interesting because I feel like transformers

45:49

are the primary thing that

45:52

really brought this new AI revolution to the

45:54

forefront and the thing that transformers are the

45:56

best at our natural language

45:58

processing through... and that is the simplest,

46:01

easiest possible thing to add to an assistant, which

46:04

now Google doesn't want to just add it to the assistant because

46:07

they're worried about it either not working or something. So now

46:09

you got Gemini and you got Google Assistant, which

46:12

you have to decide on which to use with your assistant button.

46:16

It can help you with Gemini or it can be

46:18

Google Assistant. And Gemini does some things that Google Assistant

46:20

does, but not everything. And then Google Assistant can turn

46:22

on your lights and that's about it. So it's kind

46:24

of like, you know... It

46:26

can open apps and do things like quickly

46:28

and locally and all the former

46:30

stuff, but yeah, it's weird and confusing. It's weird,

46:33

but yeah, it seems like if

46:35

Apple wanted to make

46:37

Siri better with Transformer, I

46:39

think they would have done it by now. You would have

46:41

thought that they would have done it by now? It is

46:43

confusing though because the rumor when the Apple

46:45

car got cancelled was that a bunch of

46:47

them were getting moved into like AI stuff,

46:50

which I know there's a million AI things

46:52

they're probably doing. I have watched a bunch

46:55

of videos recently about how Apple has been

46:57

like quietly assembling like

46:59

a huge, huge AI lead without... But

47:01

they just haven't released anything yet. Like

47:04

for a few years now, they've

47:06

been acquiring small AI companies. Yeah,

47:09

but haven't we heard that about

47:11

another company? But a lot

47:13

of things Apple does company. Well, that's what we've been saying

47:15

about Google for years. Google is an AI company. They

47:17

always have. I know, but that same thing of like

47:20

they have this massive lead on everyone. They

47:22

just haven't deployed it yet. And then Gemini comes

47:24

down and it's like... I mean

47:27

Google always has had... Google

47:29

has been using Transformer since that

47:31

paper was published in 2017. It's

47:33

just that they weren't... They didn't

47:35

feel incentivized to actually make products

47:37

using it until OpenAI scared the hell out

47:40

of them. And I think Ellis is talking

47:42

about OpenAI and then like Bard... We

47:44

were all talking about how Bard was

47:46

maybe a little more like safe versus

47:48

like OpenAI. The early

47:50

stuff of just like absolute chaos. They're

47:53

just going crazy. Yeah, they're just doing...

47:57

Get me out of this Ellis game. There's

48:01

also the part about Apple because Apple does

48:03

this all the time too. They acquire a

48:05

bunch of talent and secretly start working on

48:07

something and then nothing happens. Nothing.

48:10

Yeah. Yeah. I

48:12

mean that's really possible. The interesting thing

48:14

with them using Google and Gemini is

48:16

that Apple very rarely outsources anything. The

48:18

biggest example of this obviously is Google

48:20

search which they have been paying Google

48:22

like three billion dollars a year. Vice

48:25

versa. Sorry. Google's been paying

48:27

Apple like a billion or two billion.

48:29

Sounds crazy. I think Apple definitely has

48:31

a search engine that they could just

48:33

press deploy on at any time, right?

48:37

But they have done the calculus that Google

48:39

is probably going to be a better product

48:42

and it just makes more sense to get paid by

48:44

Google than to have to deal with running a search

48:46

engine on that. I was literally just going to ask

48:48

that. In this particular situation, who's paying who? I wanted

48:50

to know that's exactly what I wanted to know. It

48:52

feels like the obvious is Apple's paying Google to use

48:55

their thing but like any like

48:58

Google's paying Apple to use Google search as the

49:00

default, like do you know how great it

49:02

is to be on that many iPhones? So who

49:04

is paying? The most awkward, I

49:06

would guess that Apple's paying Google because the

49:08

most awkward thing about this whole AI thing

49:12

for Apple is that you need a

49:14

crap load of training data and Google

49:16

has all the world's information for training

49:18

data and Apple's entire brand ethos is

49:21

security. Yeah. And your information is staying

49:23

locally on your device and I would

49:25

bet you that they don't have nearly

49:27

as much access to information that they

49:30

can just scrape to develop like large

49:32

language models or any of the other types of stuff.

49:34

So it makes a lot more sense for them

49:36

to just license Google stuff. It's just wild that

49:39

Apple would license anything. Yeah. It's

49:41

also funny to think about like who

49:43

wins this deal because if you're Google

49:45

and you don't do this deal, then

49:47

you're like ha, Android phones have it

49:50

and iPhone doesn't have it. Therefore, win

49:52

for Android phones. But on the

49:54

other hand, you're like we want the whole world to

49:56

use Gemini. We want everyone to find this to be

49:58

the default and to prove. that our lead

50:00

in AI is actually worth something. So we want every iPhone

50:02

user to use the Gemini stuff, so they also want it

50:05

to be on the iPhone. So do they want it not

50:07

on the iPhone or on the iPhone? Which hand's

50:09

gonna win here? I would say Google definitely

50:12

wants it on the iPhone. I think they do want it. Yeah,

50:14

but having search on the iPhone benefited Google

50:16

because they were able to use

50:19

everything they learned from iOS users. From

50:21

Safari users, right? Yeah, from Safari users. Maybe

50:23

a crapple load of money from. And infinite

50:25

traffic. Gemini is not learning from iOS users.

50:28

They already have their data. No,

50:30

but if they're the foundational model

50:32

for what most companies are using,

50:35

I feel like that's a big lead for them.

50:37

I think that's why David's saying that that's why

50:39

Apple is probably paying Google because Google's not getting

50:41

as much out of it if it's all locally

50:44

stored stuff and they can't learn quite as much,

50:46

right? That's what you're saying? So that's why that

50:48

part does make sense. I would love to be

50:50

a fly on the wall in that meeting

50:52

with Tim and Sundar. I was

50:54

like, hey, there was actually a photo that

50:56

was going around. You know that really old

50:58

photo of Tim Cook and Sundar Pichai like

51:01

having dinner in Mountain View or something? That

51:03

went around recently again with a bunch of

51:05

captions. Yes, we can

51:07

now just, the funny one was like,

51:09

how do we get Sam Altman fired

51:11

a second time? Yeah, it's fascinating. It'll

51:16

be interesting to watch this one. Yeah, the

51:18

other interesting thing about this is that Apple

51:20

is probably most likely developing a

51:23

lot of AI-based stuff for local use

51:25

on iPhones, but

51:27

they need to outsource things that are cloud-based. And

51:29

most of the cloud-based stuff is going to be

51:31

like Gemini Ultra, that kind of

51:33

stuff. Yeah, in the article it said like

51:35

some features. So I'm interested how much this is

51:38

gonna take over, what we're gonna see it in.

51:40

If we'll see an announcement at WWDC this

51:42

year, maybe that like a timing might make sense

51:44

if we're getting weeks about it now. So maybe

51:46

that's when we figure it out and seeing it

51:49

in like iOS 18, but. I'm

51:52

probably more excited for this WWDC than I

51:55

have been for many, many WWDCs. There's

51:57

been several WWDCs in a row where I'm

51:59

like. This is the one where Apple

52:01

will finally say something about AI and then they're

52:03

like auto correct on keyboards better with AI moving

52:05

on They said come on. They didn't even say

52:07

it was a transformer. Yeah, they never say AI

52:09

they never say, you know GPT or

52:12

anything like that But I I just feel like this is

52:14

another one where I'm like, okay if series

52:16

gonna get better This is the one where

52:18

it has to get better, right? I think so.

52:20

Yeah, I'll be watching there was a really been

52:22

burned before Yeah There was a

52:24

really really interesting article about all of the

52:27

stuff that's happened on the Siri teams and

52:29

a bunch of like infighting and people just

52:31

like having different ideas of which direction it

52:33

should go and a huge reason why Siri

52:35

has never gotten better is just because Everyone

52:38

that works on the Siri team is just

52:40

cursed apparently like there's this weird internal like

52:42

story about a Siri curse Oh,

52:45

so yeah, I'll have to I'll have to find that

52:47

but it's like a hex. Yeah Yeah,

52:49

like a hex long-form episode was born

52:53

Actually, honestly, it's a great idea. It's a great

52:55

idea Yeah, I mean last

52:57

year at the WDC we got the vision Pro, you

52:59

know, but yeah, it'll be hard to top

53:01

that one Yeah, they just have to add group group exercises,

53:03

which they want to Which

53:05

they want to know a theory as to

53:07

why they won't do that and that you'll

53:10

you'll find out about that in April Oh,

53:12

please tell it to me off-camera. I will

53:14

but yeah, very very interesting Especially because apparently

53:16

GPT 5 this just came out this morning

53:18

is only a few months away from deployment

53:20

not slowing down Yeah, I mean

53:22

I remember when GPT 4 came

53:24

out and everyone was like when GGP

53:26

GV 5 what GPT 5 and Sam

53:29

Altman was like Y'all calm down. We're

53:31

not really working on it right now But I

53:33

think now that there are a bunch

53:35

of players in the market and everyone actually has

53:37

to compete and all of the board Members that

53:39

open AI who were keeping it under control are

53:41

gone Sam all ends

53:44

like send that let's go baby

53:46

send it right away. We're skipping five

53:48

straight to six GPT

53:50

24 coming out soon. No GPT

53:52

9 only GPT X Yeah,

53:55

so he says it's a fairly substantial and

53:58

pre owner not he says the Rumor says

54:00

it's a fairly substantial improvement.

54:03

Obviously, they're gonna say that but I

54:05

do wonder what that means I wonder if they

54:07

make a multimodal AI

54:10

similar to Gemini because no one else is really doing that

54:12

right now So was it no

54:14

no Who's the Sora

54:16

interview that Joanna did where she asked

54:18

what it trained with and Mira Mira

54:20

arti? Mira Mira arti that

54:22

if you haven't seen that interview go watch it.

54:24

It's hilarious. I love the memes that came out

54:26

of Very funny. Sorry to Mira.

54:29

I'm sure she's a very wonderful person Joanna

54:32

again not missing though, you know how we

54:34

have a running bets on waveform. I

54:37

would like to create one Okay. Okay. Well,

54:39

I think when they get to GPT 10 they'll

54:41

call it GPT X a hundred percent I think

54:43

that they will they'll skip mine as well.

54:45

I don't know about that, but I know that they'll

54:48

call it GPT X Yeah, instead of 10. Yeah, GPT

54:50

X we can just Put

54:52

a pin in that for like six. Well,

54:54

okay We'll be called exactly what

54:56

I was just gonna say 10

54:59

but it's not all X or iPhone 10, but it's

55:02

an X sounds cool and people like X Yeah, but

55:04

X is taken now. Yeah, but

55:06

GPT forever think about like Saturday out

55:08

loud GPT. Have you tried GPT X?

55:11

Yeah, that sounds cool. And then the next one just be

55:13

11. I'm way back to their By

55:16

that moment that moment will happen. What if they

55:18

just do GPT like when they stopped doing Wasn't

55:21

like iPad they just brought it's just the

55:23

I'm glad again that the numbers don't matter

55:26

really me Yeah, they don't matter marketing, but they get

55:28

the headline every time. Yeah, so they're gonna keep the

55:30

numbers gone I think yeah, all they have to do

55:32

is say next number and significant

55:35

upgrade It's like Android marketing

55:37

like every year. It was like Android 5.0

55:40

you're like dang cuz we had 4.1 4.2 4.3 4.4 We

55:44

got 5.0 was like all the headlines

55:46

come out and then we got more like smaller

55:48

updates after that now We get a new update

55:50

and it's like this could just be a dot

55:52

o dot one Yeah, there is very little changing

55:54

here, but because it's a new version number. It's

55:56

like alright headline it up. We'll

55:58

talk about it Yeah, so They're gonna keep the

56:00

numbers and they got rid of the candy. Yeah,

56:03

the sweets the desserts. Yeah, unfortunately

56:05

speaking of dessert It's

56:07

quite a treat that you guys get to have some

56:11

Trivia trivia Where

56:15

are we going that was so smooth and then it wasn't and

56:17

then it kind of was again, okay So

56:20

we've been talking a lot about two

56:22

giant tech companies Apple and Google Apple

56:25

and Google AG Safari and

56:27

Chrome SC what

56:30

I was just oh, okay. Well,

56:32

the Safari browser is based on

56:34

webkit Chrome and

56:36

all other chromium browsers are based

56:38

on what? What?

56:43

Yeah, is it not chromium? What

56:45

is the engine that it's based on called? So

56:48

there are chromium based browsers like Chrome.

56:51

Yeah arc Edge

56:54

edge. Thank you. Well, we'll we'll think

56:56

about that one and We'll

56:58

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58:37

You undergo every time for minister. Yeah

58:40

and I've got none of a bangers on the

58:42

plus I gotta less sale for getting up there

58:44

and conflict as mine are like. An item

58:46

that I like. But thing that should

58:48

be better about it and I make which is how

58:50

it should be right? Yeah of the game. Okay here's

58:53

my first one. I don't you dare. Mx.

58:55

Master to s or whatever on

58:57

three, three three. S but

58:59

metal on said a plastic or metal make

59:01

it the hi marty isn't it would have

59:04

already so heavy it down to be heavier

59:06

you can make it like sin metal. True.

59:09

Yeah. Interesting. I wouldn't hate that because

59:11

I'm not gaming. I don't need to be there

59:13

when we are mounting to see her my way

59:15

mouse and just one it does. It looks disgusting.

59:17

Apps like a year that's true and I think

59:19

if it had like a nice carbon fiber or

59:21

metal or something on the outside of words are

59:23

already metal. Slot. The keyboards of metal

59:25

keys if you don't move the keyboard around like this.

59:27

All of that sir. But when I added i'm not

59:29

I mean I have this the scroll wheel great like

59:31

the mouse is I don't move it quickly that off

59:33

and I just I just wanted to be made of

59:35

metal, not with breast. Interesting. Yeah I

59:37

like it. You can agree with that velocity

59:39

of rate it's another A got a banger

59:42

He couldn't accept that the I can him

59:44

smile and laugh now after and. ninety

59:47

percent ice pro bought a paper towel and

59:49

it cleans up pretty well i might try

59:51

that the that strip anything on the end

59:53

of our staff come on it hasn't stripped

59:56

it i've only done it a handful times

59:58

so i can't say whether super repeated would

1:00:00

begin to degrade the plastic but yeah

1:00:02

I would definitely use 90% too and not the

1:00:07

70% because that came from me looking at my mouse and being

1:00:09

like I've

1:00:12

taken like an MX master for like a top-down

1:00:14

shot before and there's only like two in the studio

1:00:16

that are not like

1:00:19

with a red camera so yeah okay that's totally reasonable

1:00:21

you want to like rotate around and do a bunch

1:00:23

of other people sure you might go next yeah sure

1:00:25

all right so hey everybody

1:00:28

Ellis here so this morning got in

1:00:30

the studio went to take some screen

1:00:32

recordings of the Apple sports feature that

1:00:34

I'm about to talk about and

1:00:37

they fixed it I guess last

1:00:39

night or a few days ago they fixed it

1:00:41

but now when you go on Apple

1:00:44

sports on iPhone mini

1:00:47

it displays everything

1:00:50

correctly so I got to

1:00:52

see just how bad my 76ers

1:00:54

lost to the Sun's

1:00:57

last night so yeah pretty

1:00:59

much ignore everything

1:01:01

I'm about to say no the oldest

1:01:04

supported supported iPhone is

1:01:06

like six minutes still getting updates

1:01:08

yeah yeah that Apple is like we support

1:01:10

this device yeah you can reasonably own this

1:01:12

it's like six years ago it's like iPhone

1:01:15

X XR right 10 damn right

1:01:18

well you you said chat GPTX

1:01:20

skip 9 so let's not

1:01:22

there wasn't a ninth iPhone either yeah

1:01:24

there's no windows you didn't say GPT

1:01:27

10 you said GPT and well yeah

1:01:29

anyway what is support mean right it

1:01:32

means like if Apple

1:01:37

put out an app if Apple puts out every

1:01:39

time I go on a day that it's an

1:01:41

official Apple app it

1:01:44

should work on all supported iPhones right

1:01:46

yeah you would you would hope so there's a

1:01:49

lot of bad examples of that not being true

1:01:51

well here's one yeah I'm a sports

1:01:53

guy I like sports sports fans

1:01:56

so I got Apple sports when they came when I came I was

1:01:58

like great don't need to go to Google I haven't I felt mini.

1:02:01

It is literally unusable

1:02:04

on an iPhone mini. Literally unusable which sucks

1:02:07

because it seems like such a great app

1:02:09

and when I say unusable it's because when

1:02:11

there's not enough space on the screen

1:02:13

to display someone's name instead of doing

1:02:15

like all the letters they can fit

1:02:17

and then dot dot dot they just

1:02:19

replace the entire word with

1:02:22

dots. So I open the box score

1:02:24

of a basketball game and

1:02:26

I see stats, all the

1:02:28

numbers, no no I see all the numbers

1:02:30

and nobody's name is listed. So I have

1:02:32

no idea who you scored what or one

1:02:36

oh my gosh. Can you click into it?

1:02:38

No. That

1:02:41

is the final landing page with

1:02:44

literally no usable information.

1:02:46

I'm assuming it's because

1:02:49

my phone is narrower

1:02:52

than most iPhones. So and

1:02:54

they just literally assumed I guess they were like

1:02:56

oh I only people who don't

1:02:58

like sports own iPhone I guess I don't

1:03:01

know. I mean there's lots of apps that

1:03:03

are like that on an iPhone mini that

1:03:05

like oh the one button I need to

1:03:07

press especially in Safari you know which I

1:03:09

understand if you're a web designer you're not

1:03:12

doing it for this little iPhone but come

1:03:14

on Apple like this is your app and

1:03:16

your phone that's only like what

1:03:18

three iPhones old. We need

1:03:21

screenshots for sure. Oh no the screenshots are I

1:03:23

think I put one in slack a

1:03:25

little bit ago. Anyway that's my

1:03:27

I've been mad about this since Apple Sports

1:03:29

came out. If you

1:03:31

have an iPhone mini and like basketball tweet

1:03:34

me I don't have Twitter right now. Yeah yeah

1:03:38

so I can use the app. I have

1:03:40

a very obvious one that I don't know

1:03:42

I've been added but it's also Google so

1:03:45

that tracks Google

1:03:47

Docs does not have block

1:03:49

quote formatting and

1:03:52

you have to use yeah. Oh

1:03:54

no you have to use increase

1:03:56

in the increase indent function

1:03:59

inside of Google Docs but if you

1:04:01

have a quote from a person and you want

1:04:03

to like you know show it that it's a

1:04:05

quote yeah there's no block quote

1:04:07

formatting option which seems

1:04:09

insane to me because it's been out

1:04:11

forever can I say another

1:04:14

Google piece of software or web-based thing

1:04:16

that's messed up which very obvious sure

1:04:19

Google tasks inside of your

1:04:21

Gmail so if you

1:04:24

change the theme I'm just

1:04:26

in black the black theme or dark mode theme

1:04:28

and the Google task is just bright white on

1:04:30

the side of the screen yeah it's infuriating that

1:04:32

is a weird one Google tasks is one of

1:04:34

those apps that they forget about for like four

1:04:36

years at a time and then one random PM

1:04:39

is like oh yeah we've got that they update

1:04:41

it like temporarily and then four years ago by

1:04:43

again yes okay along

1:04:45

those same lines I have another one okay

1:04:47

Google keep formatting in the notes

1:04:49

I love Google key doesn't do anything it's

1:04:52

either all check boxes or all you

1:04:55

can't have an h2 and a

1:04:57

paragraph and really before you start

1:04:59

yelling at me in the comments I'm I stand corrected

1:05:01

you can do it on Android you can't do it

1:05:03

on web or on iOS well

1:05:06

that's even why I don't

1:05:08

know that like if I'm trying to make a

1:05:10

grocery list and I want to like put the

1:05:12

name of the grocery store and then a list

1:05:14

of the items I need from that grocery store

1:05:16

because I do multiple places you know Costco regular

1:05:19

grocery store farmers market can't

1:05:21

do it it just turns it all

1:05:23

into check boxes you need three notes

1:05:25

now yeah I'm gonna see here's what

1:05:27

you gotta do you gotta you gotta

1:05:29

indent the check boxes I put a

1:05:31

blank check box in between that's awful

1:05:34

right I just said an alarm but

1:05:36

that is a good one okay that's okay

1:05:39

back to Marquez okay here

1:05:41

is hear me out mm-hmm Sigma

1:05:44

24 to 35 okay for in for

1:05:47

listeners this is a lens is a cine lens

1:05:50

we use yeah full frame covers a whole sensor

1:05:52

not a man but instead

1:05:55

it's 18 to 50

1:05:59

so bigger yeah A wider range. Wait,

1:06:02

they don't have that? Yes, is it 16 to 35? They

1:06:05

have a crop sensor 18 to 35. Oh.

1:06:08

But the only one that covers the full frame sensor is

1:06:10

24 to 35, which sounds nice, but that's not

1:06:12

a lot of zoom. That's not very wide zoom at

1:06:14

all. That's 11 millimeters of zoom. It's enough to do like a wide to

1:06:16

a mid-wide. It's not that much range. Yeah. So

1:06:19

just a little more range with the same power

1:06:21

focal, like same T2

1:06:24

through the whole thing. I would love that a lot.

1:06:26

I like that a lot. I like that. And, Signe,

1:06:28

I bet you could do that. That's weird to me

1:06:30

that it doesn't exist. That lens has existed for like

1:06:32

a decade. Yeah. It's

1:06:34

been one of the best lenses despite

1:06:36

that lack of range, so I would really

1:06:38

like that. They have like a

1:06:41

50 to 100. They have like a couple other wider

1:06:43

ones, but just if they made that focal range, I

1:06:45

would just use that for almost everything. Hmm. Yeah.

1:06:49

Alice, you got another one? Alice. No.

1:06:51

Okay. I

1:06:53

only thought of one real one, but I'm throwing a

1:06:56

couple extra small ones. Oh, my gosh. Oh,

1:06:58

sorry. I just realized

1:07:00

my next one is really good. David.

1:07:04

Okay. Rain blast over there. Okay,

1:07:07

rain blast. Yeah. I had a

1:07:09

physical reaction to that one. The

1:07:12

Nike Run Club app is,

1:07:15

shall we say, a steaming

1:07:17

pile of dog water for many

1:07:19

reasons. It actually has a lot of

1:07:22

good things going for it, but

1:07:25

the absolute worst part about the Nike

1:07:27

Run Club app is

1:07:29

if you are wearing a smartwatch that has Nike

1:07:31

Run Club on it. By

1:07:34

the way, every Apple Watch that you

1:07:36

purchase, it's not pre-installed, but there

1:07:38

are Nike Run Club settings in the settings

1:07:40

already, even when you don't have it installed

1:07:42

and there's an install button within the settings.

1:07:45

Clearly, Apple and Nike are like, come on,

1:07:47

guys. It's like, download Nike Run Club. I

1:07:50

wanted a Nike watch face and I tried to ... It

1:07:52

was just in my watch app and I hit add it

1:07:54

and it was like, oh, you don't have the Nike Run

1:07:56

Club app. I was like, what? It's

1:07:58

a thing. Yeah, so

1:08:01

the worst part about that app is

1:08:03

that if you are running with the

1:08:05

watch but you start the run on

1:08:07

your phone in the Nike Run Club

1:08:09

app on your phone, it'll show the

1:08:11

metrics on your watch but it won't

1:08:13

use your watch for tracking. It only

1:08:15

uses your phone for tracking. So

1:08:18

be me, scenario. You're

1:08:22

running outside or running on treadmill, right?

1:08:24

Your phone, large interface, pretty

1:08:26

decent interface. Your interface is good, a lot of

1:08:28

big buttons and stuff. The watch interface

1:08:30

for the app is pretty bad. It's like you've

1:08:32

got four screens, you have to scroll a lot,

1:08:35

there's a lot of hidden settings. It's not great.

1:08:37

So clearly, I want to start Spotify on my

1:08:39

phone and then I want to go to the Nike Run

1:08:41

Club app and say I want to do this run, hit

1:08:44

start. On the watch, it'll

1:08:46

say this is how far you've gone, it'll say

1:08:48

this is how many calories you've burned. But

1:08:50

it's taking all of that information from

1:08:52

the phone. I have to

1:08:54

hold my phone in my hand and

1:08:56

the watch, which is way

1:08:58

better at tracking because it's also

1:09:01

taking my heart rate. All

1:09:03

of that stuff makes it more accurate for how many

1:09:05

calories you've burned and all that stuff. It's

1:09:07

got dual band GPS where you might not have an iPhone that has dual

1:09:10

band GPS. It

1:09:12

just tracks from the phone. So the only

1:09:14

way to be able to track from your

1:09:16

watch is to download the run onto your

1:09:18

watch and start the run on your watch.

1:09:20

If you do that, that means

1:09:22

you have to connect your headphones

1:09:25

to your watch, which is really annoying

1:09:27

already. Then you have to go into

1:09:29

Spotify or Apple Music on your watch,

1:09:31

start playing music from Spotify or Apple

1:09:33

Music with your headphones connected to your

1:09:35

watch and then start the Nike Run

1:09:38

Club app on your watch. If you do anything on

1:09:40

your phone while you're on the run, while you're on

1:09:42

the treadmill or whatever, your headphones will be like, I'm

1:09:44

confused. You want to talk to the phone or do

1:09:46

you want to talk to the watch? And then the

1:09:48

Nike Run Club app, just like all of the voice

1:09:51

commands just disappear completely and it just breaks. So

1:09:54

it's bad for a lot of reasons and

1:09:56

it's super, super buggy. But the number one thing that

1:09:58

I think they need to change And if

1:10:00

it recognizes that you are wearing a smartwatch that

1:10:03

has an IQ run club app on it. And

1:10:06

it's connected to the phone already. It's your metrics

1:10:08

already. It still, it opens IQ run automatically when

1:10:10

you start the run on your phone. It needs

1:10:12

to track from your phone, even if the headphones

1:10:14

are connected to your phone. Yeah.

1:10:17

Yeah. I appreciate for

1:10:19

it. That's complex, but it's

1:10:21

like, it's the simplest. You

1:10:23

just say, is there a watch on

1:10:25

the person's wrist? Yes. Okay, cool.

1:10:28

It's not that hard. Yeah.

1:10:31

That does sound extremely annoying. It's so annoying.

1:10:33

It's so annoying. I have way simpler ones

1:10:36

on my list. Okay. Well,

1:10:38

my next one's pretty ranty. It's something that I realized

1:10:40

I've been arguing with

1:10:42

myself about for a long time. And

1:10:44

when Adam posted this, he was like,

1:10:46

I can finally vent about this. So

1:10:49

this is an Ember mug. Oh God,

1:10:51

they're so... The Ember mug is

1:10:53

this product that is way too much

1:10:55

money. Do you know how much this

1:10:58

is? No, it

1:11:00

was like 200 bucks. It's $150 for the 12 ounce version. Can

1:11:03

you open it up to the camera? Sorry. This

1:11:05

is an Ember mug. I have the copper version. That's $180,

1:11:07

I believe. Thank you, Michael

1:11:09

Fisher. Great Christmas gift. They are great gifts

1:11:11

because they're way too expensive. But once you

1:11:14

start using one, you cannot use

1:11:16

a regular cup anymore. I

1:11:19

have one for work and at home at this point. It's

1:11:21

the eighth sleep of beverages. Kind of. Yeah.

1:11:25

It is like, if you're not aware what it

1:11:27

is, it's basically just a smart mug that will

1:11:29

keep the temperature of your coffee at a specific

1:11:31

temperature for like two hours or... Or any hot

1:11:34

drink. Or any hot tea drinker. Yeah.

1:11:36

And it's incredible because I like drinking my

1:11:38

coffee slow, microwaving your coffee sucks, and

1:11:41

keeping it warm for a long time while I

1:11:43

just do stuff is fantastic. So I can't

1:11:45

live without it at this point. There's

1:11:48

a bunch of issues that I have with it.

1:11:50

One, the app is horrendous. Yeah. The Bluetooth connection

1:11:52

is so bad. It's so bad and every time

1:11:54

I would walk past my kitchen, my phone would

1:11:56

be like, oh, you want to connect to this

1:11:58

Bluetooth? It's like, I've connected. 800

1:12:00

times already. So it's awful. So every time

1:12:02

I've bought one of these or have bought

1:12:04

one for someone else, I've connected it, set

1:12:06

the temperature you want to and just delete

1:12:08

it from your phone. It's the easiest way

1:12:11

you'll remember that temperature. Yeah, local memory. I'm

1:12:13

pretty sure nobody who's ever bought one of

1:12:15

these has like continued to use the app.

1:12:17

They've probably said it and never looked at

1:12:19

it again. So I think

1:12:21

they should make a cheaper version that has

1:12:23

a physical dial or temperature sensor on it

1:12:25

or the charger. So you don't need an

1:12:28

app. You don't need a chip that connects.

1:12:30

That's such a good idea. If you could get it at under $100 and

1:12:33

I just go setting this to 150 or

1:12:36

whatever my ideal temperature is and then never touch

1:12:38

it again. That's such a great point. It makes

1:12:40

so much sense. This is a product that does

1:12:42

not need to be connected to your phone. There's

1:12:44

zero reasons to do it. You could just have

1:12:46

a dial. Yeah, it would be so much easier.

1:12:49

So that's my idea for this being better and

1:12:51

making it cheaper that might work. My

1:12:54

other idea is a little bit of

1:12:56

a pipe dream. But my

1:12:58

other thing I hate about this is I love

1:13:00

drinking out of a ceramic coffee mug. It's

1:13:02

so much better. Don't they sell a ceramic version?

1:13:04

I don't believe so. They sell a metal version of

1:13:07

this. I don't know what this is. They

1:13:09

either need to make a ceramic version, which I'm sure they

1:13:11

won't because then you're spending $150 on

1:13:14

something that can break so much easier. Or

1:13:17

my ultimate pipe dream is that they can

1:13:19

somehow create a universal adapter that I can

1:13:21

put inside of a regular

1:13:23

coffee ceramic mug that

1:13:26

I could keep the temperature through

1:13:28

some sort of food safe heating element. And then

1:13:30

I could use all the fun mugs that I

1:13:32

buy on every vacation. I have like 20 mugs

1:13:35

at home from different places I visited that I

1:13:37

love. I don't use any of them because I

1:13:39

only use this. That's funny. That would be so

1:13:41

cool if somehow, because it's this element on the

1:13:43

bottom that's heating it. If this could be something

1:13:46

that I could put in the bottom of a

1:13:48

coffee mug that I have already. I get to

1:13:50

use different fun mugs and stuff like that. But

1:13:52

keep my coffee warm for two hours. That

1:13:55

would be incredible. So also for context, it has inductive

1:13:57

coils on the bottom and you set it

1:13:59

on. on a charging mat that you have at your

1:14:01

desk or whatever. And so as long as you're leaving it

1:14:04

in that mat and you're picking it up, taking a sip,

1:14:06

putting it back, your battery is great. It

1:14:08

has a built-in battery, lasts about 45 minutes. Really?

1:14:11

I've had longer than 45. I

1:14:13

thought I got close to like two hours

1:14:15

with it. Really? Yeah. Mine has

1:14:17

been having issues. It is a huge bummer when

1:14:19

you don't see the light that it died and

1:14:22

you're like, nice hot cup of coffee, a cup

1:14:24

of your coffee. And then you drink it

1:14:26

at the pool. You've been dying too long already. You had a cup

1:14:28

of coffee? You're right. But

1:14:31

yeah, Ember mug, great

1:14:34

gift. Terrible Bluetooth. Terrible Bluetooth, way too expensive.

1:14:36

It's so hard to tell someone to spend

1:14:38

$150 on a coffee mug. That's

1:14:41

absurd. Yeah, they drink a lot of

1:14:43

coffee. I could never live without it though.

1:14:46

Damn. Wow. All right. Ember

1:14:48

mug, what better? All right, Marques, what you got?

1:14:50

Yeah, what you got? Which one do you want?

1:14:52

One, two, three, four, five, six, or seven? Oh

1:14:55

my god. Seven? Yeah. Wow. Two through four. Two

1:14:57

through four. All right. Two,

1:15:00

Kia EV6 GT, but with good range. Solid,

1:15:04

a solid wish. Three?

1:15:07

320, 350,

1:15:09

220? No, bad. Is that

1:15:11

what it's on? EV6 GT is

1:15:13

220 miles of range. Good god.

1:15:15

Of EPA. Rated

1:15:19

range. That's two. Okay.

1:15:22

You want three? Yeah, give me three.

1:15:24

Three. This cyber truck, but with a screen instead of

1:15:26

a rear-view mirror. No,

1:15:29

that makes too much sense because the tonneau

1:15:31

cover covers the entire back windows. That's insane.

1:15:33

If you drive with the tonneau cover open,

1:15:35

you can see out the back, but a

1:15:37

couple things about that. One, it's still kind

1:15:40

of a slot because the back of the

1:15:42

truck is so high, you don't really see

1:15:44

much. And two, you lose like 25 miles

1:15:46

of range per charge because of the aerodynamic

1:15:48

disadvantages of all that turbulent air through the

1:15:50

trunk. So people drive with it closed most

1:15:53

of the time. That

1:15:55

should have been a screen. And they

1:15:57

know it. There is the screen on

1:15:59

the screen. There is the screen

1:16:01

on the single screen down out of your

1:16:03

normal field of view and you

1:16:05

can train yourself to get used to that But

1:16:07

there is a mirror a dinky useless mirror there

1:16:10

that should have been a screen and everyone knows

1:16:12

it should have been a screen Why

1:16:14

is it not a screen? It is also the

1:16:16

smallest you said dinky But I cannot believe how

1:16:18

small that there is compared to everything else in

1:16:20

that truck. Yeah, so that's three You

1:16:23

want a four? Yep, do it galaxy s 24, but

1:16:25

small Yes,

1:16:28

oh Yeah

1:16:33

24 ultra, but small and I was like wait I also

1:16:35

thought that yeah, okay I think that would have been cool

1:16:37

too But yeah, since we go through those pretty quick I

1:16:40

feel like we could get one two and

1:16:42

six and seven you want one five six seven

1:16:44

five six and just finish the list I just

1:16:46

send it. We'll just all send our lists. Okay

1:16:48

one AirPods

1:16:50

max but light and

1:16:53

also USB C. Oh And has

1:16:55

it off and has it off We're

1:16:58

playing AirPods max

1:17:01

but power button and USB C

1:17:03

and lighter. That's it. That's all you

1:17:05

have to do a lot of stuff That's

1:17:08

not that those are reasonable things They are

1:17:10

heavy metal headphones Apple I gotta do is

1:17:12

like I make those metal cups and do

1:17:14

something like magnesium or carbon fiber and just

1:17:16

do the USB C Pull y'all I should

1:17:18

be there. Well titanium is kind of heavy

1:17:20

too. Oh, you're right, but and then yeah,

1:17:22

obviously a power But it's lighter than stainless

1:17:24

steel, but I think they're aluminum.

1:17:26

Yeah currently true So anything lighter than aluminum

1:17:28

would be real nice. Mmm David

1:17:33

no you fly away Okay,

1:17:37

I can keep ranting MacBook

1:17:40

Pro Mark

1:17:43

has got this from me Have

1:17:46

a notch this big yeah That was the

1:17:48

selfie when the first MacBook Pro and one

1:17:51

came out that was the number one complaint

1:17:53

I truly think that is the only thing

1:17:55

that doesn't make sense about this laptop. I

1:17:58

think this is the most Well polished

1:18:00

product to come out in the last like 10 years

1:18:02

considering that's my only thing I would change about it

1:18:04

Yeah, it's pretty good I'm like I spent four thousand

1:18:06

dollars on my personal one and I don't I

1:18:09

really don't have any complaints about it And mine's

1:18:11

like two three years old and I still only

1:18:13

want one thing. Yeah about it. Yeah, definitely men

1:18:15

only want one Yeah,

1:18:21

that's an easy one for me. Yeah, it's a good one final

1:18:24

cut pro on the iPad but

1:18:26

with like but good And

1:18:28

I know that there's not gonna be a whole

1:18:30

bunch of like I don't think it's gonna replace

1:18:32

final cut pro on the Mac And I think

1:18:34

there's some intentional deficits Separating it

1:18:36

from final cut pro on the Mac, but plug-in support

1:18:38

would really be great for me

1:18:41

and also like better color controls But I don't

1:18:43

know. I'm probably asking for too much Plug-ins,

1:18:46

what if you ask for Adobe with

1:18:48

faster exporting and not wearing? I Would

1:18:52

like to see that I would like to

1:18:54

see that and to be fair. I haven't used

1:18:56

premiere in years Yeah, it could be way well

1:18:58

with Apple Silicon now Yeah, when

1:19:00

M1 first came out I was still a

1:19:02

premiere user and I edited my how the

1:19:04

Italian Renaissance can save the smartphone camera video

1:19:06

on it and Every

1:19:08

single time I would export it would take about

1:19:10

two hours to export and there'd just be random

1:19:12

green flashes and different parts of the video To

1:19:15

be fair This was like the beta version

1:19:17

of premiere that just started supporting Apple Silicon

1:19:20

and it was in beta still probably a

1:19:22

lot better But I exported

1:19:24

that like eight times and it took like 16 hours

1:19:27

I didn't sleep for three days and then

1:19:29

the one thing that fixed it was just

1:19:31

moving the project to Fisher's Intel

1:19:33

Mac quick-pro and I'm just saving it on the Intel

1:19:35

what machine were you on before that did the flashing

1:19:38

it was the M1 max 16

1:19:40

inch Macbook Pro, but it was right after the

1:19:43

mirror beta had come out supporting Apple Silicon. So

1:19:45

it was like super early This is yeah, interesting.

1:19:47

Yeah, so it'd probably be better now But

1:19:50

I also don't miss how much

1:19:53

it crashed all the time. Yeah, there's

1:19:55

no auto-save premiere but auto-save I've

1:20:00

got it every integer, every like half

1:20:02

an hour. You can change that,

1:20:04

I'm pretty sure. Yeah, because then it

1:20:06

shows like a loading icon on your screen every time

1:20:08

it does it. That's better than

1:20:10

losing half an hour's worth of work. That's true,

1:20:13

that's true. My last one that I've written down,

1:20:16

Apple Watch, but with group fitness competitions.

1:20:18

Yeah, okay. I don't know how we didn't think of

1:20:20

it. I am, yeah. Okay, but I have a theory,

1:20:22

okay, I have theories. Do you wanna hear the series

1:20:25

about why they don't do it? Yeah, I have a

1:20:27

theory. Are we getting an

1:20:29

exclusive right now? This is

1:20:31

an exclusive. If only to bring more people to the waveform. This

1:20:34

is an exclusive. Okay, so

1:20:37

I have this theory around the reason

1:20:39

that Apple is intentionally kneecapping

1:20:41

the fitness features on the Apple

1:20:44

Watch, and it has to do

1:20:46

with their relationship with N

1:20:48

I K E. So

1:20:51

the kids out there don't know what to talk about. Wait,

1:20:55

what? I don't know. It's

1:20:57

Nike. Sorry,

1:21:00

sue me. Okay, so basically,

1:21:03

Nike Run Club is a thing

1:21:05

that, like I said, is not

1:21:07

pre-installed on the Apple Watch, but there's settings for

1:21:09

it on the Apple Watch, and there's an install

1:21:11

button in the settings of the Apple Watch. So

1:21:13

it's basically native. I

1:21:16

have a theory that because Nike

1:21:18

Run Club is inherently, has

1:21:21

social features built into it, where you can

1:21:23

run with your friends and have competitions and

1:21:25

stuff, you can join clubs and all this

1:21:27

stuff. Nike and

1:21:29

Apple have this agreement that Apple

1:21:31

will not double up on certain

1:21:34

features that Nike Run Club also

1:21:36

has, so that when people wanna do

1:21:38

something with their Apple Watch, but they're like, why don't I

1:21:40

have this? They can just move over to

1:21:42

the Nike stuff. And

1:21:44

it's not just, there's the Run Club, but there's

1:21:47

also Nike, I think, is it called Fitness Club?

1:21:49

There's another app that's not just running

1:21:53

that is a bunch of Nike stuff. That

1:21:56

was the one I needed for my watch face. I

1:21:58

don't know if it's running. Okay. Which

1:22:00

it just seems insane to me that over the last

1:22:02

couple of years Apple has added like stride

1:22:05

length, vertical height, automatic track detection,

1:22:07

dual band GPS so you can

1:22:09

run in a city, published a

1:22:11

bunch of ads with ultra marathon

1:22:13

runners. And they don't have things

1:22:15

like they don't have any half

1:22:18

marathon training programs, they don't have any

1:22:20

full marathon training programs. The most they

1:22:22

have is a 10K training program

1:22:24

but it's not even a training program, it's just

1:22:26

a bunch of random Apple fitness plus videos that

1:22:28

are not even linear. It's like season

1:22:31

four episode two of Run With Me,

1:22:33

season nine episode seven of Run With

1:22:35

Me and it's just eight random episodes.

1:22:38

So my theory is that like Nike

1:22:40

is basically telling Apple like don't do

1:22:42

too much of what people come to

1:22:44

Nike Run Club for so that

1:22:47

you can funnel people into Nike Run Club and I

1:22:49

think that's why they don't have group competitions. That

1:22:52

checks out and to which I would

1:22:54

say Apple just ignore

1:22:56

that one feature and

1:22:59

build it anyway. That's my suggestion. Yeah.

1:23:03

Please. So please. Nice. David

1:23:05

do you have any more? Well

1:23:07

I did and then more. What? I

1:23:11

was going to say the face ID thing too

1:23:13

but gosh I mean

1:23:16

everything's perfect, life is beautiful you know.

1:23:18

Beautiful. I don't know what is

1:23:20

bad? Hmm.

1:23:22

There's a lot that's bad but you should be more specific. Do

1:23:25

any of you have another one while I can think? I have

1:23:27

one more small one. Do it. Okay.

1:23:29

The Dyson stick vacuum I think

1:23:32

is the most accurately hyped product

1:23:34

ever. I thought it was way too over hyped.

1:23:36

I bought one. I'm obsessed with it. Which one

1:23:38

did you buy? Whatever one was that Costco? Because

1:23:41

I almost. It was a bunch. I

1:23:43

almost randomly splurged on the V15 to detect.

1:23:45

I don't even know what. Oh. They're

1:23:47

all the same thing in my eyes. I'm sure they're a little

1:23:49

bit bigger and more powerful. I think

1:23:51

some of them are what attachments it comes

1:23:53

with. I think mine specifically had the pet

1:23:56

hair attachment at Costco. It's

1:23:58

too short. I wanted to. There needs to

1:24:00

be a tall version or a longer pull that I can

1:24:02

get for it. I'm sure if you're

1:24:04

over six foot, when you're reaching out, you

1:24:06

find yourself, your hand is under

1:24:09

your hip at that point when you're pushing in.

1:24:11

And it's not enough. And it's not enough. There's,

1:24:13

yeah. I'm getting older, we're past 30

1:24:15

now, back's starting to hurt. I

1:24:17

need a longer version. They are from the UK

1:24:20

and UK does have a shorter

1:24:22

average height than the US. That's

1:24:24

really funny. I think,

1:24:26

obviously Dyson are

1:24:28

the suction experts, but there's another

1:24:30

form factor is stick vacuum where

1:24:32

the compressor and the

1:24:36

collection chamber are down at the bottom

1:24:38

next to the head. And

1:24:40

that enables you to put elbow bends

1:24:42

in the stock to get under the

1:24:44

couch easier. No, Dyson has that. I

1:24:49

have one. No. I have it, I have

1:24:51

it too. I know. Do you have the same one? No,

1:24:53

I have the V8. I have one that I can

1:24:55

attach to the top. I can do between

1:24:57

the chamber and the pole and then it has a

1:25:00

joint so that I can go perfect 90 degrees and

1:25:03

then push it under my, the problem is,

1:25:05

is just using that as a taller adapter

1:25:07

and locking it. It just feels a little

1:25:09

weaker when I'm pushing full

1:25:11

strength from the top with something that's supposed

1:25:13

to be bent. I do not, mine does

1:25:15

not have that. I don't use it, do

1:25:18

you want mine? Yeah, yeah. What

1:25:20

do you mean you don't use it? How do you vacuum it under your couch? I

1:25:23

like 30 sometimes. Facts, respect. I don't want that in

1:25:25

the episode. Not respect, we're leaving it in. Keep it

1:25:28

in. I can't believe it.

1:25:30

This is way worse than what you actually

1:25:32

did. The vacuum is the, Which one do

1:25:34

I buy? Any of them. The V8 is

1:25:36

like 350 bucks, which I know sounds

1:25:38

a lot. I just started scrolling through this. I have so

1:25:40

many, dude. There's so many. There's so many.

1:25:43

It's just like, I vacuum more because

1:25:45

I'm more okay with just vacuuming a single room

1:25:47

at a time rather than plugging the vacuum in

1:25:49

and I would just do the whole house. I

1:25:51

can bring it into my car and vacuum my

1:25:53

car out all the time. It's

1:25:55

just so nice. I have not that. I've been in my

1:25:57

apartment in two and a half years. And

1:26:00

I you might need something a little more heavy-duty then I

1:26:03

would like you heard of a power washer. Yeah,

1:26:05

yeah So

1:26:09

I got two little ones I yeah Thanks

1:26:13

a collar that's not a collar that doesn't do

1:26:15

Okay. So as we

1:26:18

mentioned I switched to Samsung I'm now a Samsung

1:26:20

boy so I can only see

1:26:22

the world in terms of Samsung products now

1:26:24

So what I want is

1:26:26

the next fold small speaker on my desk I

1:26:30

want the next fold to be not a

1:26:32

candy bar shape Yes, I

1:26:34

want it to be more like one Full

1:26:36

or lots of pixel fold something along those

1:26:38

yeah passport. I wanted to also have the

1:26:41

pen in inside Yeah,

1:26:43

yeah, yeah, that's gotta be coming. That's

1:26:45

crazy that you gotta buy it separately

1:26:47

with a case I don't I don't

1:26:49

know and it's bigger right and yeah,

1:26:51

it's it's weird Yeah, the other thing

1:26:53

is if they want to ignore that

1:26:55

completely because they probably will I want

1:26:57

Google And we saw

1:26:59

rumors of this already happening where if you

1:27:01

plug in a pixel into a display It'll

1:27:03

give you like a deck play for a

1:27:05

very late port out I want that

1:27:08

but to be just Chrome OS just give me

1:27:10

Chrome OS dude You can already run that on

1:27:12

a that was the dream of fuchsia and

1:27:14

fuchsia. Just kind of Well,

1:27:17

I don't know if it technically did they end it. It's

1:27:20

still somewhere in Google. I'm sure There's

1:27:22

a lot So

1:27:24

those are those are my two I just want

1:27:26

just I'm a simple lad Just give me Samsung,

1:27:28

but Google things and Google but Samsung things. Yeah,

1:27:31

I like those David oh

1:27:33

we've been waiting. I have an eye. Oh I've won. All

1:27:35

right, I want them to Completely

1:27:39

axe the Apple Watch charger and

1:27:42

just switch it to magsafe Wait,

1:27:47

and I know that I know the circles

1:27:49

too big Circle puck

1:27:51

because yeah, cuz so currently currently

1:27:53

you can charge The

1:27:57

AirPods with wireless charging with

1:27:59

magsafe or with the Apple Watch

1:28:01

charger, which is really dope. You

1:28:04

can? Yeah. What? Yeah.

1:28:08

Right? No. Are you sure? I think

1:28:10

you can. The Apple Watch charger

1:28:13

is the only non-Chi charger. But

1:28:15

I think you can charge the AirPods Pro.

1:28:17

Isn't it that the Apple Watch charger is Qi,

1:28:20

but it's like... I

1:28:24

would like to try it, but I don't think you can. I

1:28:27

think you can. You can

1:28:29

also charge your MagSafe charging case with an

1:28:31

AirPods app. Yeah, you can. Wow. Yeah.

1:28:34

Okay. Yeah. Which

1:28:36

is cool. Which is cool. So, but

1:28:39

right now, the thing

1:28:42

that charges the most things is the regular

1:28:44

MagSafe charger, because it charges your phone and

1:28:46

it charges your AirPods. Everything that's not the

1:28:49

watch. Yeah, but the watch, you have to bring

1:28:51

a specific charger for, but if you just bring

1:28:53

the watch charger, it can charge that and your

1:28:55

AirPods, but not your phone. So there's this awkward

1:28:57

thing where it's like, you always have to bring

1:28:59

two. Yeah. And so if they

1:29:01

could just unify, and MagSafe seems to be the thing

1:29:03

they're unifying around, obviously the watch

1:29:05

probably isn't really big enough to fit

1:29:07

on the MagSafe thing, but

1:29:11

it also seems like even if

1:29:13

it didn't magnetize, it should be able to

1:29:16

do charging. Here's why I think

1:29:18

that might not work. The weird

1:29:20

thing about charging watches on not

1:29:22

those specific pucks is because of

1:29:24

the way, you take your watch

1:29:26

off first, not the coning,

1:29:28

but the way the watch strap comes down generally

1:29:30

doesn't let something, sorry, you have a normal watch,

1:29:33

can I see you turn your, For

1:29:35

the thing, this is a Casio A1200. See how

1:29:37

like, because the

1:29:39

strap is facing down when you put it on a

1:29:41

table, it usually is like floating

1:29:43

above a little bit. So depending, this is

1:29:46

a little more flexible, but some other ones,

1:29:48

like it would possibly be sitting, because the

1:29:50

puck is bigger, it would be sitting above

1:29:52

the puck. Which is why if they had

1:29:54

it magnets, it pulled it down very

1:29:56

slightly. It would almost be cool if they made

1:29:58

an adapter that could fit on. Top of the

1:30:00

puck yeah, and then just go like yeah, and

1:30:02

hold it. It's just like yes, I'm why that's

1:30:05

hard Yeah, sure Apple could figure it out It's

1:30:07

just all awkward that if you want the holy

1:30:09

trinity of Apple devices. What's that the magsafe duo?

1:30:12

Yeah, when you when you said ugliest awkward

1:30:14

to bring this around. I thought you were

1:30:16

talking about the magsafe Adam

1:30:18

has a way better magsafe duo product that

1:30:20

is not the magsafe duo, but it's cooler

1:30:23

and better That's it's called the butterfly from

1:30:25

12 South. Yeah, it's freaking. It's really awesome,

1:30:27

but it's so expensive Anchor

1:30:30

just make a little yeah, but it's not pretty Is

1:30:33

it the square the brick? There's the

1:30:35

brick that folds into three? That's your

1:30:37

phone your AirPods and you watch then

1:30:40

how about magsafe duo, but usbc is

1:30:43

it lightning? It's lightning. Oh my god

1:30:46

That's another one. Well. They don't sell it anymore

1:30:48

right the magsafe duo It's

1:30:51

27% off on Amazon so only $94 Yeah

1:30:57

Yeah, one of the don't yeah, it's

1:30:59

also ugly. It's the dump. It's one of

1:31:01

the dumber thing It is a thing. I

1:31:03

hate the most in my backpack. Yeah, so

1:31:05

yeah I would I just I

1:31:07

just want a unified charging system a good one also

1:31:11

One more for me any phone

1:31:13

with chi-2 Agree

1:31:20

Every phone listen up figure

1:31:22

it out somebody please do it, please do

1:31:24

it Okay, we've been going

1:31:26

long enough. We should probably get those trivia

1:31:29

answers, so let's do it trivia Also

1:31:32

pass me an eraser Any

1:31:36

of them all right so quick update

1:31:38

on the score they won't do Marquez

1:31:40

in the lead with For

1:31:44

those who don't speak Spanish Andrew unlike

1:31:46

me in second place in the

1:31:48

second lead in the second Chris

1:31:51

David coming in third out

1:31:53

of three when the one

1:31:55

thanks first question Howdy

1:31:58

so Bose not owned

1:32:01

by Samsung, but they are

1:32:03

owned by a world famous

1:32:05

scientific institute. What

1:32:08

is it? This

1:32:20

is at the point where I just have to hope

1:32:22

I know I'm wrong. I just have to name something

1:32:24

that actually is a scientific institute so I don't also

1:32:26

look like an idiot when I'm wrong. We're

1:32:29

both going to look like idiots. Flip

1:32:36

him and read. Alright who

1:32:38

wants to go first? Damn

1:32:40

yours are both way better than mine. Marques

1:32:43

why don't you go first? Okay cool

1:32:45

cool cool yeah yeah yeah. I

1:32:48

put New Zealand scientific institute.

1:32:50

I'm sorry. What?

1:32:53

I feel like some

1:32:55

might argue worldwide. Is

1:32:58

not based on a specific country. Although

1:33:02

never mind. I'm also an idiot. I

1:33:04

feel like I put NASA. If

1:33:08

NASA is both I'd be so happy. DARPA.

1:33:13

No I put MIT. Which

1:33:16

stands for the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

1:33:18

Which is correct. Which is when I

1:33:20

realized I was so wrong by the

1:33:22

worldwide thing when I looked and he

1:33:24

had a state. MIT. What's

1:33:27

below MIT? What about Romney underneath? He did. Sorry.

1:33:31

What does that mean? Mitt Romney. Like

1:33:34

the former governor of Massachusetts. I

1:33:37

don't know do we have to read you? Mitt is not a

1:33:39

commoner. It's funny. Alright clean cut. Let's

1:33:41

not get political. Clean cut just in case.

1:33:45

Second question Safari. The

1:33:47

browser engine is webkit. Chrome

1:33:50

and all chromium based browsers. What

1:33:53

is the engine called? Fun

1:33:58

fact. This engine. is

1:34:00

actually a fork of WebKit.

1:34:03

So everything is WebKit. Which

1:34:07

WebKit is also a fork or something? If I put WebKit, will

1:34:09

that be right? No. I put

1:34:11

Steam Engine, is that right? I

1:34:14

was thinking of putting Steam. I don't... What

1:34:18

is Steam run on? What is Steam OS run

1:34:20

on? Linux? I'm not even...

1:34:22

All right. Flip him and read. What do we got? I'm

1:34:28

sticking with it. I'm pretty sure it's Chromium. Wrong.

1:34:33

I have nothing. Nothing? I

1:34:35

put OpenCL. Nope. Oh. It's

1:34:37

Blink. Blink? It's Blink. How have we

1:34:39

not heard of this? I was wondering the same thing. That's why

1:34:42

I made it a trivia question. How have I never known that?

1:34:44

I would love for someone... I thought it was all Chromium. ...

1:34:46

to find a reason why this is still correct. Because

1:34:50

I feel like it is. Well, I was

1:34:52

gonna... Probably in some weird way. So Chromium

1:34:54

is the engine? Yeah.

1:34:56

I... And what was the

1:34:58

question again? So the browsers... There's Chromium-based

1:35:01

browsers. Yeah. So what is Chromium then?

1:35:03

It's a base. No. It's a code

1:35:05

base. It's a library?

1:35:07

Bam. It's a chemical element. Yeah. No. It's a

1:35:09

chemical element. That's tough.

1:35:12

What is Chromium? You

1:35:14

just don't get the engine

1:35:16

stuff at all. Free open-source

1:35:18

web browser project. None

1:35:21

of that says anything. The basis of Google

1:35:23

Chromium provides the majority of the code for

1:35:25

other browsers. Maybe just

1:35:27

an open-sourced... Which, as I said, it

1:35:29

was a fork of WebKit from like

1:35:31

2013. I guess it's

1:35:33

just an open-source browser. It's a code base.

1:35:38

Boom. Wow. That's crazy. Blink?

1:35:41

You know what else is crazy? The

1:35:44

waveform podcast is produced by Adam Molina and Ellis Rovin.

1:35:46

And our intro to music is by Vayne Still. And

1:35:48

we were part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. And

1:35:51

that was out of order. Transition gone. It's

1:35:53

okay though. That's

1:35:57

okay though. Nice. Have a good day. Peace.

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Bye. Hi. Hi. Hi. Do

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you know what

1:36:07

Lady Gaga's name is? Lady.

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