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It was like all of a sudden the heavens parted and was like here's

0:02

your tool , here's your tool . I

0:04

needed it to enact fight or flight . I needed

0:06

it to bring that shock into my system because

0:09

I could recreate a my

0:11

response to it in a safe

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environment . So it was recreating

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that trauma from a place

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of safety .

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Welcome to the Warrior Tribe podcast . I'm your host

0:27

, Gary Hess . Today we're here with

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Adrian Jezik , the co-founder of Morosco

0:32

Forge and the creator of the Morosco Method

0:34

, a technique through deliberate cold exposure

0:37

that reconnects the mind and the body and

0:39

leads to true healing . Listen to

0:41

her powerful story as her body

0:43

turned against her and attacked itself

0:45

through three different autoimmune diseases . Listen

0:48

how her attempts to the Western model failed

0:51

her and through deliberate cold exposure

0:53

, she found true healing and regained

0:55

her life back . So back

0:57

in that conversation .

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Yeah , part

1:01

of growth is death , part

1:04

of growing and shifting

1:06

and changing . And becoming

1:08

who and I'll speak just for me becoming

1:11

who I meant to be requires

1:13

killing off parts of self , requires

1:16

killing off behaviors , patterns

1:19

, thought processes and

1:22

belief systems , and

1:24

this has an impact on

1:26

every relationship that I have

1:28

. This is an impact on my

1:31

business and the way that I run it . It

1:33

impacts the way that I show up in the world

1:35

, and it

1:37

has been extreme . And the

1:39

good news is is that

1:41

I wouldn't be going through this

1:43

for the last couple of years if I wasn't meant to be

1:45

going through it . So I understand I'm

1:47

exactly where I am meant to be . Yeah , I

1:50

also understand that by going

1:52

through this and finding a way

1:55

through rather than running away from

1:57

, I am increasing my capacity

1:59

for the next time that this happens , because

2:01

this is . These might be the hardest things

2:03

I've dealt with in my life to this date , but

2:05

they're not the hardest things I'm ever going to deal with in

2:07

life .

2:08

Yeah , I'm very curious that you said what

2:11

you're going through is is is

2:15

causing you to essentially rearrange your

2:17

or lose parts of yourself , right

2:20

? I'm just very curious , what parts

2:22

are you talking about ? Is it habit

2:24

changes ? Is it actually permanent structures

2:27

in your life ? Is it a little bit of everything

2:29

?

2:29

Yeah , so I think it starts with the habit

2:32

changes . You know it started with

2:34

. It was really like August

2:37

, september of 2022

2:39

when I decided that I

2:41

was going to stop smoking pot which

2:44

was a 20 plus year daily habit

2:46

for me . I really didn't know my life

2:48

without it and it was the one thing

2:50

. I wasn't drinking at the time . I

2:53

wasn't really doing anything else at the time . It

2:55

was just that one thing

2:57

that I just always went to . It was just that habit

2:59

, and I'm not ever

3:01

really had sight of what it was and

3:03

where it belonged to my life . And so

3:06

it was . It wasn't even

3:08

a conscious decision so much as like I

3:10

just don't feel like doing it today .

3:12

Yeah .

3:12

And then the next day I just don't feel like doing it today

3:14

, yeah , and then all of a sudden , it's six months

3:17

in and six months with that

3:19

clarity of mind , six months with that

3:21

separation of this and

3:23

I don't want to call it a crutch , like I find . I find

3:26

marijuana to be a very effective and powerful

3:28

tool and it's something that I have reintroduced

3:30

back into my life . But having

3:33

that complete clarity over that

3:35

point in time caused a lot

3:37

of behavior changes for me

3:39

, just the ways that I'm showing up , the

3:41

way that I deal with things , the way that I process

3:44

emotion . But also

3:46

it came with relationship shifts

3:48

, yeah , so I ended up at the end of 2022

3:51

, split with my partner

3:53

of 11 years . So divorce

3:55

, you know , that's a big one . That was a

3:57

really big shift for me , yeah , and

4:00

it's also this

4:02

piece I have

4:04

of being in the grief process . So

4:07

part of it was by removing the marijuana

4:09

, I left room to

4:11

grieve to grieve deeply in

4:14

ways that I never had before , and

4:17

so I've been in this process . It's

4:19

almost like I feel that it's like clearing cleaning

4:21

house , you know , like sweeping out the cobwebs

4:23

, and anytime you move

4:26

a box , you're going to see another area to sweep , and

4:28

then , once you sweep that area and you move that next box

4:31

, you've got another area to sweep , and so this is an

4:33

ongoing practice . It's not like I'm

4:35

ever going to be done sweeping . I'm not ever

4:37

going to be done grieving . And

4:39

then there are different ways to grieve , there are different

4:41

ways and levels of grieving the end of

4:43

my 11 year relationship , and

4:45

then that's taken on an evolution because Jason

4:47

is still my business partner . Yeah . And so

4:50

there's a forced growth , like a forced

4:52

post traumatic growth experience

4:54

, and a resilience created because we're

4:57

still facing each other every day in

4:59

zooms and in co-creative problem solving

5:01

and in the stress of running a business .

5:03

Yeah , and how difficult is it not to

5:05

fall back in those habitual patterns when

5:07

you are there together

5:10

on a day to day basis and his

5:12

perspective or expectations

5:14

might be very different than yours , right , it's

5:17

easy to jump back into that emotional comfort

5:19

and when those times were good , but

5:22

it's easy to gravitate back to that . So you

5:24

know my heart goes out to you . I worked with my wife

5:26

for a significant

5:28

time

5:30

and that in itself , and running a small

5:32

business in this day and age , creates

5:35

a lot of relationship struggles , especially , you know

5:37

, a small business owner , a female small

5:39

business owner , right , the

5:43

struggles and complications and a management

5:45

of cash flow and where that next

5:47

check is coming from right , to get those

5:49

employees paid . You

5:52

don't leave at 4 pm and

5:54

that stays there , right , it goes home with you

5:56

and I'm very , I'm very curious too . I

5:58

want to go back to that 20 plus years of

6:00

cannabis use , because you

6:02

know you're talking to someone who finally

6:05

do started doing some very significant

6:07

work on my own internal

6:09

trauma , and

6:11

cannabis was something that I used

6:13

every single day for seven days

6:15

and there were significant changes , right , I learned

6:17

to use it very proactively and

6:20

there were times that you

6:22

know the majority of the time where it was

6:24

used for healing purposes , to enhance

6:26

that neuroplasticity and see things from

6:29

a different perspective and ground myself

6:31

into the present and moments where

6:33

my body wouldn't allow me . And

6:35

I'm just very curious , especially

6:38

with the story that we're about to get into . Have

6:43

you done the journey work to go back

6:45

and it sounds like you have discussing ayahuasca

6:48

to

6:51

your early life and what ? Possibly

6:54

? Was there significant trauma

6:56

that you carried that you weren't aware of ? Right

6:58

, you said you were using cannabis , but you got

7:00

to a point where you didn't know why . It

7:02

became the comfort , right , it became

7:05

the way to soothe and that's exactly what

7:07

happened to me . And it just

7:09

got to a point where there was significant

7:11

growth because of that plant and

7:14

then I felt like I was stuck , even with the plant

7:17

, and the plant became my comfort , right

7:19

. And so when I did , you know

7:21

, stop that and I went into the

7:24

ancestral medicines and allowed and

7:26

forced myself to go inside , then

7:29

it just opened up an entire

7:31

new life . And not

7:33

to say that that life is easy , but that life comes

7:36

with a lot of change , which is

7:38

not easy . Our bodies do

7:40

not like change , and so

7:42

I'm just curious with that question what

7:46

was the reason for the cannabis use in the first place

7:48

? Was it more healing or was it more recreational

7:50

?

7:51

You know ? I don't think I knew at the time , I

7:54

definitely didn't know at the time . My

7:56

father has always been a heavy cannabis

7:58

user , my entire life . He was also

8:00

undiagnosed . Bipolar schizophrenic until

8:02

he was 44 years old and

8:05

he's also a veteran . So

8:07

when he and he raised my

8:10

brother and I and so the first time

8:12

I ever came home crying about a boy he

8:14

reaches under the couch , pulls out a tray

8:16

and starts rolling a joint . He doesn't know what to do

8:19

and he just kind of hands it to me and I'm like dad

8:21

, that's not the answer .

8:23

That is his emotional regulation .

8:25

Right , and so I think and I

8:27

didn't I did not start smoking cannabis

8:29

until I was like

8:31

18 , 17 , 18 . And

8:33

at that time I was nowhere near home

8:35

. It wasn't anything to do with my regular day

8:38

to day life , but it started

8:40

out as a recreational thing and

8:42

, I think , quickly I turned it into

8:44

that buffer . It was that buffer

8:46

that helped me deal with all of the things

8:49

that were going on , that had happened in my life and

8:51

until that point , but also all

8:53

the things that were still currently going on in my life

8:55

.

8:55

When you say up to that point , how old were you ?

8:57

About 17 , 18 .

8:58

17 .

8:59

Yeah , 17 , 18 . And so I

9:01

was . You know

9:03

I grew up from . I

9:05

mean , we all have our different

9:08

experiences in childhood and

9:11

I was raised in a single family household by

9:13

my father in the 80s , which

9:15

should just tell you right there there's

9:17

not a lot of support for men out there

9:19

raising children on their own . So

9:22

there would be times that we would go to

9:24

the food bank and

9:26

my dad would be harassed because people

9:28

would not believe him that he was

9:30

a single parent . He was a man and

9:33

he was raising the children . It was always where's the mother

9:35

. There was more than one time that

9:37

we were removed from the home because he

9:39

was in a position and they

9:41

just there's not the same support

9:43

, or at least then in the 80s there

9:45

was not the same support for men raising

9:48

children that there were for women . So

9:51

you know there were a lot of additional stresses

9:53

and problems that came on because of that

9:55

.

9:56

You absorbed a lot of that .

9:57

All of that , all of that , and

10:00

then witnessing him in

10:02

his emotional process and his coping mechanisms

10:04

I mimicked those . I

10:07

mimicked those extreme emotional experiences

10:09

and by the time I got into cannabis , it

10:12

was like I finally had a buffer

10:14

. So instead of going up

10:16

and down and all around and feeling the

10:18

extreme of everything going on

10:20

in life , all of a sudden it was like things

10:22

just softened a

10:24

little bit .

10:25

It allowed you to be in the present , yeah

10:28

. Yeah . How did

10:30

that help you with like your emotional regulation

10:32

during that time ?

10:33

Yeah , I just didn't , I didn't have it . You

10:35

know , it was just really at that time . It just helped me

10:37

stuff it down At that time , it just helped

10:39

me ignore it . It wasn't until I was much

10:42

older and again created that separation

10:44

from it until I realized this

10:47

can be a tool for me . This

10:49

can be an effective grounding tool , especially

10:52

because over the last , even since I've met you

10:54

, I've gone through a world of energy work working

10:56

through Akashic energy , healing and

10:58

different ways of reaching into

11:01

my lineage , my timelines

11:03

, all of my healing . that goes far above and

11:05

beyond what this , just this lifetime has to offer

11:07

, and so now this is an herbal

11:10

medicine that helps pull me into

11:12

the grounded parts of earth , you

11:14

know . So now there is a place for

11:16

this medicine for me .

11:17

That's so good to hear . I'm glad you

11:20

found that and it's so

11:22

good to hear you putting that work in because I

11:24

know you were in a probably at the beginning

11:26

of a very difficult time when we first met

11:28

.

11:29

And right after the divorce .

11:31

And I just have to applaud you and honor you for

11:33

the way you came in and performed

11:35

in that certification program that you

11:37

offered us , that I was a student of , and

11:41

Mike and I , when we left , we were just blown away

11:43

. I'm like , wow , that is such a powerful

11:45

presence and to know that

11:47

you were going through that at that time , I just

11:50

commend you for that strength and , just

11:52

you know , testament to your character

11:54

.

11:55

I thank you for that . I was thinking as I

11:57

was , I was sharing with Michael right before

12:00

I came in today . I also

12:02

had this emotional experience

12:04

. It was a deep grief experience

12:06

where it all wanted to come up . And here you

12:08

know , we're on camera today . So I put a little bit of makeup

12:11

on and I'm thinking I can't

12:13

saw because of have mascara

12:15

just running down my face . So I'm doing like

12:17

the crying out of the side of the eyes

12:19

and also embracing

12:22

it , not saying I can't do this . I'm

12:24

not going to do this right now . I'm saying I'm

12:27

under extreme stress . This is a

12:29

way to release that emotion . Here's

12:31

how I'm going to channel it , and so

12:33

it was that technique that he reminded me . I shared

12:35

with you guys in the workshop where I just take that

12:37

deep breath , I do it a few times and

12:39

then I let out a really guttural

12:42

growl or scream or

12:44

yell and I say whatever the thing is

12:46

that I have to say , and then helps

12:48

move that emotion , and

12:50

so it's like it's not that it's not there , it's not that

12:52

I'm not still under this extreme stress

12:54

, but what I love about this , what I love

12:56

about having that process and then going

12:59

into this , is right now I'm sitting

13:01

with you fully grounded and completely

13:03

clear , even though

13:05

I'm still in a state of stress , I'm still aware of all of these

13:07

things that are going on in my life . I am

13:09

grounded and I am clear , and

13:11

what blows my mind is I could

13:13

pinpoint over the last year different

13:15

things that I've had to record immediately

13:18

after a grief experience like that , and

13:21

I get to look back and go well

13:23

, you still showed up .

13:25

That's right .

13:26

You still did the job . And sometimes

13:28

I do the job even in the emotional

13:31

state , because we've got so much shame

13:33

around what it means to express emotion

13:35

, what it means to sit here and cry a little bit , or

13:37

what it means to feel insecure or not

13:39

good enough , and we're all busy hiding

13:42

it and pretending it doesn't exist and putting

13:44

on our brave face for the world . Well , I'm

13:46

here to say throw it out .

13:47

Yeah .

13:48

Throw it out .

13:48

I'm here with you .

13:49

I might start crying here today .

13:50

I'm going to be okay with that . You are more

13:52

than welcome to cry here today . I feel that and

13:55

I hope you do , yeah , because then we're moving

13:57

through it right , we're not avoiding it . That's awesome

13:59

. Yeah . Yeah , the

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I , you know , kind of tagging

14:48

on to that conversation , looking at your

14:52

early struggles , you know from

14:54

childhood with your father . You

14:56

know your father being a single parent , being

14:59

a veteran during that time it

15:01

was incredibly hard in itself to

15:05

now your struggle or struggles starting

15:08

in , I believe , in 2007 , 2017

15:13

, when you found the ice bath . But your struggles

15:15

with autoimmune started prior to that and

15:18

just tying right the chronic stress

15:20

that you dealt with at an early

15:22

age . Have you tied that to

15:24

the autoimmune disease ?

15:26

Absolutely , I was

15:28

living . This is how , when I look back

15:30

at it , right hindsight is 20 , 20

15:32

, I don't see these things while I'm in it

15:34

. So if you're in it and you're out there and you're listening , just

15:37

take time take time and take a step back

15:39

. So , it wasn't until I got fully

15:41

on the other side that I could look back

15:44

and say , oh , first

15:47

of all , I'd been living that first 30-some-odd

15:49

years of my life in an active state

15:52

of fight or flight .

15:53

Yeah .

15:53

So if I'm in an active state of fight or flight and

15:55

my body is constantly producing all this cortisol

15:58

, all this adrenaline , all these stress hormones , first

16:00

of all I'm gonna be burnt out and tapped out . Second

16:03

of all , I'm creating an unhealthy gut bio

16:05

. I think that the combination

16:08

of living that way and producing those internal

16:11

chemicals on my own in addition

16:13

to a car accident I got into in my mid-20s-

16:16

where I had internal fixation , external

16:18

reduction , still had pins and plates , but I was on

16:20

antibiotics for a very long time and I had

16:22

pins sticking out of my arm for about three months

16:24

. I was also on morphine

16:27

for three months and I got

16:29

food poisoning . So you

16:31

take all of those things , the antibiotics

16:34

that changed the gut flora . You add the bad

16:36

mannys that I had that changed the gut flora . You

16:38

add in all of these stress hormones . My

16:40

body just eventually said I'm

16:42

done . Yeah . I don't have

16:45

the tools and the chemicals I need to function

16:47

. I don't have the internal

16:50

clock to say this is what I need to do to take

16:52

care of myself . And it just threw

16:54

up its hands and said I'm done

16:56

, I have nothing left to give . You've

16:58

been going all the way up here at this top

17:00

speed in the state of adaptation

17:02

, not providing any good nutrition

17:05

. So definitely two prior to getting sick

17:07

, I still ate a lot of fast

17:09

food .

17:10

I still drank Coca-Cola all the

17:12

time it's easy in soothing .

17:14

It's easy in soothing and I also grew up without

17:16

a lot of snacks and treats and sugars

17:18

and so when I got out on my own it was like well

17:20

, oreo and Coke for dinner .

17:22

Absolutely .

17:24

McDonald's three times a day ? Heck yeah

17:26

.

17:26

But that sugar is also an incredible coping mechanism

17:28

for internal pain

17:30

or pain that cannot be seen .

17:33

Give me the easy , fast dopamine

17:35

hit .

17:35

That's right . Which is because I need something

17:37

.

17:38

right now I can't even . I was in such

17:40

a state of fight or flight I couldn't think about

17:42

tomorrow . There was no such thing as planning

17:44

for the future , until

17:46

my body said you know what we're

17:48

done here .

17:50

Not only was your body done , it

17:52

turned against you , oh yeah , and

17:54

it started attacking . I'm gonna assume it started

17:57

attacking your thyroid first with Hashimoto's

17:59

.

17:59

Yep , that's where it all started .

18:01

Can you share a little bit about that ?

18:04

Well , I think I've had a couple of ways . Definitely

18:07

, in one way , like I said , it was my body

18:09

living in that state of fight or flight and then all of a

18:11

sudden just giving up , like it had no fight left

18:13

to give and had no energy left . I was spent

18:15

. I burnt my candle at all the ends . And

18:18

the other way I think of it is like

18:20

the dog without a job . I

18:22

was not introducing any type of external

18:25

resilience . I wasn't working out , so I wasn't ripping

18:27

and tearing my muscle tissues to

18:29

grow muscles . I wasn't

18:31

feeding myself well , I wasn't pushing

18:34

myself or introducing

18:36

any extremes , it was just seeking comfort

18:38

, seeking comfort , seeking comfort .

18:40

Or introducing the good neurotransmission and

18:42

the good hormones Cause all I wanted

18:44

was instant comfort .

18:46

I wanted to be surrounded , and I didn't realize at the

18:48

time . But

18:50

what I think happened as well

18:53

is it's kind of like our immune system

18:55

, our autoimmune , is like a dog without a job

18:57

. If you're not introducing

18:59

these external experiences

19:02

, there's no way to build resiliency . So

19:04

if you don't give the dog a job , the dog's

19:06

gonna destroy your environment . If . I don't take

19:09

my dog for a walk multiple times a day , the

19:11

dog's gonna tear apart my house . So

19:13

if I'm not introducing these external

19:15

factors to create resilience , I'm also

19:18

not giving myself , emotionally or mentally

19:20

, the strength to build those muscles to prepare

19:23

me for the stressful things that are coming in the future .

19:25

Yeah to build resilience to practice and

19:28

, at the same time , hearing you talk about that , it almost

19:30

sounds like there's kind of a tone

19:32

of almost

19:34

like you had control of

19:36

that situation when , in a sense

19:38

, people who are in

19:41

it in the fight , like you , are in that very high

19:43

sympathetic state . They don't have control

19:45

. It's the default mode that has control

19:47

of us . So I just want people listening

19:50

, or people or someone out there who may be in

19:52

it . You said it earlier , right , don't

19:55

try to find the answers , don't blame

19:57

yourself for not doing the right things

19:59

. Your body has you trapped

20:02

and it has a grip on you from

20:04

all the habitual patterns and the patterns of neurotransmission

20:06

and the known state that our body

20:09

is in . That known state is safe

20:11

. The

20:13

new neurotransmission , the

20:15

new chemicals introduced in our body , the new habits

20:18

that create the resilience that

20:20

is at an unknown state . Our

20:22

body does not like that right now . Right

20:25

, so be just for

20:27

whoever's listening , be

20:29

gentle with yourself , be procious with

20:32

love and compassion , and

20:34

not that you are

20:36

doing something wrong . The truth is

20:38

is that you had been through

20:40

a lot , your body was exhausted

20:43

, and a lot of that was outside of your

20:45

conscious control until you

20:48

introduced or found something that finally

20:50

started working for you .

20:52

Well , there was also a lot of relief

20:54

in the illness . There

20:56

was a lot of relief in getting a diagnosis

20:59

that said oh , this is

21:01

why your body's doing this . This

21:03

isn't your fault , this isn't you , didn't

21:06

do anything to get you here . There

21:08

isn't anything you can do to get out of here . So

21:11

we're gonna take care of this for you . We're

21:13

gonna give you a diagnosis that's gonna explain

21:15

all that's going wrong in your body . Then

21:18

we're gonna give you some pills that's gonna help you with

21:20

all that's going wrong in your body . And so

21:22

there was a lot of relief in receiving

21:24

one , then two , then a little overwhelming

21:26

when I got the third diagnosis , but there was a

21:29

lot of relief because it felt like I was starting

21:31

to get answers . And this is

21:33

one thing I see when people come to me and

21:35

they're new in this process , maybe they

21:37

have not received a diagnosis yet . They

21:39

just know that things are not right and

21:42

they're going to the doctors . They're going to the doctors . They're not

21:44

getting any answers , they just want some answers . It

21:46

doesn't matter what the questions are , it

21:48

doesn't matter what the answers are for

21:51

that medical diagnosis . What

21:53

matters is that our steps , our path

21:55

to healing , is all the same Regulated

21:59

nervous system , strong

22:01

physical system . So like working out

22:03

, moving your body and finding

22:06

ways to feed and nourish ourselves

22:09

in ways that our body's going to turn into

22:11

fuel .

22:11

Yeah , those are critical

22:14

, those are absolutely critical . And

22:16

so you said not only one , but

22:18

three different autoimmune disorders that

22:20

you were diagnosed with , and

22:22

can you explain those ?

22:24

Yeah , so it started with Hashimoto's

22:26

thyroiditis which is just , at this

22:28

point , a really easy label to throw

22:31

specifically on women . You know , you're

22:33

feeling tired , maybe your cycle's off

22:36

, you got some dry skin , some hair loss

22:38

, some chronic pain

22:40

and it's just really oh , you know

22:42

what your levels are . Out of whack , hashimoto's

22:44

thyroiditis . It's just very easy

22:46

to tack on that label . Well

22:48

, from there I was having a lot of gastric

22:51

distress , so I was sent spent to a gastroenterologist

22:54

and from there I picked up the super

22:56

fun , loving autoimmune condition known as eosinophilic

22:59

esophagitis . So this is where hives

23:02

will present your esophagus , based

23:04

on whatever allergy you're introduced to . So

23:06

that could be a food allergy , that could be something

23:08

in the air like a botanical allergy

23:10

. Fragrances , oh

23:12

, fragrances , are the worst , I still

23:15

, of all of the allergies . So like . I became

23:17

allergic to eggs at 32 years old . Well

23:19

, beauty of all beauties , I cured that

23:21

allergy two years ago . I now eat several

23:23

eggs a day and I will for the rest of my life . But

23:26

even in this diagnosis

23:28

, even in realizing what these

23:30

offenders are , I completely lost my train

23:32

of thought . What were you talking about ?

23:36

Fragrances , the hive .

23:38

Oh . So even of all of the things

23:40

that I have been able to reverse in this

23:42

process , I still will absolutely

23:45

flare up when I'm introduced to any type of synthetic

23:47

fragrance .

23:48

And so these are fragrances that you were okay

23:50

with before . Now , all of a sudden , all

23:52

of a sudden , your body experiences

23:55

, and now your body's attacking itself

23:57

.

23:57

Yeah , and I think eggs is a really good one

23:59

, because there are a lot of people who develop allergies

24:01

to eggs as an adult . And what I think

24:04

is interesting about that is that eggs carry

24:06

a concentration of the pollen

24:08

in the air wherever the chicken is that lays

24:10

the eggs . So maybe you're getting a concentration

24:12

of that . But what I'm looking back

24:14

when I discover is my body was just seeing

24:16

everything as a threat . My

24:18

body had gotten to a point where the

24:21

histamine reaction was not reacting on

24:23

its own , it was just my body

24:25

going oh I don't like this , it's

24:27

a threat . Oh , I don't like this , it's a threat

24:29

. Oh , I don't know where to put this or where to categorize

24:31

this , it's a threat . So my body

24:33

was registering things as threats that maybe

24:36

weren't even threats . Looking

24:38

back on the synthetic fragrance well , that makes sense

24:40

now with everything I've learned about it . There's

24:43

a thing in America this is specific

24:46

to the US that under fragrance

24:48

, under the label , the ingredient listing

24:51

, there's a term fragrance . Fragrance

24:54

as a term , as a word , is considered

24:56

proprietary . Because it's proprietary

24:59

, the chemicals or the makeup that goes

25:01

into creating that fragrance does not

25:03

have to be listed anywhere . It does not have to be disclosed

25:06

. There can be over a hundred

25:08

different chemicals making up whatever

25:10

is fragrance . The

25:12

reason that your grandmother's sweater smells

25:14

like your grandmother 20 years after she passed

25:16

is because of flalates , the things

25:18

that are in fragrance . Well

25:20

, if those flalates can stick to a sweater

25:23

for 20 years , what do you think it's doing to your endocrine

25:25

system ?

25:25

Yeah , absolutely .

25:26

So I am very still very much

25:28

anti any type of synthetic fragrance

25:30

and like it's still a bit of an issue , like if I get it

25:33

. For a while I was on a no fly list . I couldn't even get

25:35

on an airplane because I would go into anaphylaxis

25:37

. Now if I'm sitting next

25:39

to someone on an airplane and they've got cologne

25:41

on , I will wrap my sweater all the way

25:43

around my head so I'm breathing through my sweater rather

25:46

than breathing in their cologne , and I won't

25:48

hug people who wear cologne . It

25:50

sticks to you .

25:51

Yeah , I bet . And

25:53

what was the third one ? You

25:55

said Eosinophilus , the third one .

25:57

Urticaria . So that's where the external

26:00

part of my body would turn into hives whenever I

26:02

experienced an allergic reaction . So

26:04

I would just get red

26:06

and puffy . I would get little welts on

26:08

my skin . It was just incredibly uncomfortable

26:11

.

26:12

What was the treatment process when you went to the doctor

26:14

? What was that process ? Tell me , talk

26:16

to me about that journey through the Western model and

26:18

trying to find what a

26:20

diagnosis and what

26:23

was the treatment protocol .

26:24

Treatment protocol was definitely synthroid

26:27

for the thyroid steroids

26:29

for all the histamine reactions that I was having

26:31

, which then comes with its own set of depression

26:34

, anxiety , weight gain

26:36

, low libido and

26:39

the allergy medicines

26:41

. The allergy medicines were the worst medicines

26:43

I was on , so I had to take a daily allergy

26:45

medicine , which was typically Zyrtec , and

26:48

then I also got two live antibody shots

26:50

for my allergists per month . So these are just like

26:52

live antibodies that live in your body for 30

26:54

days and help you with your histamine

26:56

resilience . And the

26:59

Zyrtec was the hardest medication

27:01

. When I finally went to quit all my prescription

27:03

medications prior to getting a clean

27:05

bill of health , the Zyrtec was the hardest

27:07

. It felt . I

27:10

would think , comparable to coming down off of any

27:12

type of major Zyrtec

27:14

.

27:14

Isn't that an over the counter ? Over the counter .

27:16

Really , you're not supposed to take it for

27:18

more than a few days at a time . And

27:21

what people don't know , what

27:23

people don't realize , is that by taking

27:25

it 30 , 60 , 90 days

27:27

, your body stops to lose the ability

27:29

to identify what those triggers

27:31

are . It starts to rely on

27:34

the medicine , and you're not supposed

27:36

to take these . Even Prilosec , that was another one

27:38

that I had to take every single day . Well , after a while

27:40

, my belly doesn't know what to do with the acids

27:42

, and you're not supposed to be

27:45

on these for any length of time . However

27:47

excuse me , when

27:49

you say it's working to the doctor

27:52

, the doctor says , oh , that's working , we'll

27:54

keep taking that . But

27:56

what we don't realize is the damage that we're doing to

27:58

our bodies long term . So even

28:00

when I quit my prescription medications , I also

28:02

quit all vitamins and supplements , Because

28:05

I thought , well , if this is how my body reacts

28:07

to prescription medication , how does my body

28:09

react when I'm giving it synthetic supplements , if

28:12

I'm always giving it vitamin C and

28:14

it's my body going to know to derive vitamin C from

28:16

the foods that I'm eating ? Well , what are the foods

28:18

that I'm eating ? Am I making sure that they have concentrations

28:21

of vitamin C , so that I'm receiving it from my food rather

28:23

than from a pill ?

28:24

Yeah .

28:25

So I really had to shift the way that I was

28:27

thinking of nourishing my body

28:29

and the things I was putting into my body . At

28:31

the height of my illness , I was taking more

28:33

than 20 plus prescription

28:35

medications , vitamins and supplements every

28:38

single day . How long ? More

28:42

than two years , and

28:44

that is a belly full of preservatives

28:46

.

28:47

When were you diagnosed with Hashimoto's

28:49

?

28:50

I think it was about 33 or four years old , 33

28:53

, 34 years old .

28:56

It had been about 10 years ago .

28:58

It took about two years for a diagnosis .

29:00

Wow , wow . Talk

29:03

about that right , when something is going

29:05

on that you know is wrong with you and

29:07

you're being incredibly affected on a day-to-day

29:10

basis . It took two years

29:12

for them to actually nail this down . Now was

29:14

there like a diagnosis by exclusion

29:16

?

29:17

That's basically what it was . And then I

29:20

didn't fit the bill . So same as

29:22

like when I was 27 and I had my gallbladder removed

29:25

. I was literally in

29:27

the doctor's office saying I haven't eaten in a week

29:29

, I cannot eat , I cannot drink water . This

29:31

is the pain I'm in , this is what's going on , and

29:34

my gallbladder ruptured and I had to go in for emergency

29:36

surgery , but they never even

29:38

considered that there was a gallbladder issue because

29:40

I didn't fit the bill . I was female but

29:43

I was fit and I wasn't over 40 and I wasn't fat

29:45

Like , I was fertile and all these things and

29:47

so same with Hashimoto's . Even though I'd gained

29:49

a significant amount of weight in less

29:52

than a year , I still didn't technically

29:54

fit the bill .

29:55

I didn't- . What bill were you fitting to them ?

29:57

You know I wasn't . I was early

30:00

30s . I didn't have any other

30:02

major illness in my life . I didn't

30:04

have . I just didn't have

30:06

what they look for on the markers on

30:08

the paper to say this is probably

30:11

what it is .

30:12

Yeah .

30:14

So it was a guessing game .

30:15

So at two years you finally get a diagnosis . Do

30:18

you feel like they , through

30:20

their strategy of treatment , effectively

30:23

got it under control ? No

30:25

.

30:26

No , I think that was the problem too . So I

30:28

start taking the medicines . Well , then you start

30:30

getting side effects from the medicines . Then

30:32

I'm in gastro offices , then I'm in an endocrinologist

30:35

, then I'm seeing an allergy specialist . Within

30:37

the first two years of receiving

30:39

my diagnoses , I was seeing four specialists

30:42

every single year that were monitoring

30:45

my health . But really what they were doing

30:47

was they kept putting me on more medications

30:49

because , oh , we've got this going on . Well

30:51

, we've got a medication for that . Oh , you've got this going

30:53

on . Well , we have a pill to counteract the thing that the pill

30:55

does that we're giving you to counteract the thing . And

30:57

the problem is is that I was still in

30:59

the state of the doctor knows

31:02

. The doctor deals with this all the time

31:04

. I'm not the educated party here . I

31:06

don't know what's going on . So there was a lot of trust

31:09

provided to my medical

31:11

providers . Yeah , the thing

31:13

is is I don't blame any of

31:15

them . I am not anti-doctor , I'm not anti-medicine

31:18

.

31:18

They're good people .

31:19

Yes , and they are trying to save

31:21

lives . They're trying to help , but they've received

31:23

also an education that

31:25

leads them down a path .

31:27

Yeah .

31:28

So what I learned in this process

31:30

? After about two years of going through this

31:32

madness and not feeling any better

31:34

, not getting any relief , really , staying

31:36

, my life deteriorating even further , my health

31:39

deteriorating even further , my relationships

31:41

deteriorating even further , I

31:43

realized that I had to educate myself

31:45

, and it started with food

31:47

. It started with all

31:50

right , what am I eating , what can

31:52

I do ? And I had to figure out what were the foods

31:54

that I was consuming that were causing allergic

31:56

reactions . So it started with the elimination diet

31:59

, getting rid of everything

32:01

, eating boiled chicken and white

32:03

rice , and then introducing just one

32:05

thing at a time so I could learn , Like what

32:07

is the thing that's causing the offense

32:09

, causing the reaction ? Well

32:12

, I read this book by Dr Terry Walls

32:14

, W-A-H-L-S . It's

32:17

called the Walls Protocol . Dr

32:19

Terry Walls has been diagnosed

32:21

with MS multiple sclerosis and

32:23

she developed this food regimen I don't

32:25

say diet , she developed this food regimen , another

32:27

autoimmune disease . Another autoimmune

32:30

disease . So this food regimen is

32:32

designed to reduce inflammation in the

32:34

body and a friend of

32:36

mine told me about this because the singer from

32:38

that band , A Great Big World , he had

32:40

MS and he met Dr Terry Walls

32:42

and he started this food regimen and it changed

32:45

his life . So feeding your body

32:47

for medicine . So I thought , well , it's a good place

32:49

to start .

32:50

So what was the baseline of his program ? Were

32:52

there certain foods ? Right , because

32:54

you hear about so many diets today and you have so many different

32:56

fads and themes and experts

32:59

.

32:59

Yeah , she , dr Terry Walls is a she . She

33:01

did . She had specific

33:03

foods to eat on

33:06

specific timelines , even you know

33:08

, like what you eat in the morning to give you

33:10

the best energy throughout the day , and if digestion's

33:13

your problem , this is what you focus on and start

33:15

with these meals . And the one thing that I noticed

33:17

about this protocol was

33:19

it was all whole ingredient foods , so

33:22

it wasn't like oh , I'm allergic

33:24

to gluten , now I'm gonna eat gluten-free pasta

33:27

. No label , that's not how that works . If

33:29

you can't read the ingredients , you

33:31

can't eat the food .

33:32

There it is . That's what I was looking for .

33:34

It's not food .

33:36

It's processed .

33:37

Right , and I still feel this

33:39

way when I see people .

33:40

And convenient .

33:41

And when I see people drinking their electrolyte drinks

33:43

, doing their pre-workouts

33:45

and I'm going . How many of those ingredients

33:48

can you pronounce ?

33:49

Yeah , exactly , and if you can , pronounce

33:51

some .

33:51

Do you know what they are ?

33:53

Yeah , and if they've come from the earth

33:55

, right , right , and

33:57

that's just such a great way to look at it

33:59

. If you cannot read the ingredients , it should

34:02

not be going into your body .

34:03

Whole ingredient foods .

34:05

That's right .

34:07

Steak , asparagus , broccoli

34:09

Believe it or not , broccoli is still really hard for me

34:11

, unless it's like boiled to death . But like

34:13

you learn these different things . Yeah , you learn

34:16

these different things about the foods you consume

34:18

. You learn that bacon , tallow

34:20

fat , as long as it's the good kind , not

34:23

full of nitrites , proteotics , hormones

34:25

and steroids , it's very good for

34:27

you . You know , and especially as a woman

34:29

, I need fats , I need carbs

34:31

, but I don't need carbs like fried French

34:33

fries , I need carbs like baked sweet

34:35

potatoes , you know .

34:38

That's right . So talk to me . This

34:40

struggle , significant struggle that started

34:42

at an early age Now you're in

34:44

your early 30s , took two

34:46

years to get a diagnosis for an autoimmune

34:48

. You end up being diagnosed with three different autoimmune

34:50

disorders . And this went

34:52

on with their strategy , with pharmaceuticals

34:54

that were not effective , that you finally

34:57

had to take your life into your

34:59

own hands . You started losing I'm

35:01

just gonna make the assumption that you started losing

35:03

trust in the medical system , which

35:05

is why you started doing your own work in

35:07

a very intense level . And how

35:10

did you get to the ice bath ?

35:13

Well , I don't think I was losing trust right

35:15

away . I was just feeling

35:18

like whatever it was wasn't enough .

35:20

Yeah .

35:21

And also I was starting to feel responsible

35:23

. I was starting to understand that

35:25

even if you're the best medical

35:28

doctor in the entire world , if

35:30

you treat 50 patients in a day

35:32

, how much responsibility

35:34

is it of the patient to show

35:36

up ?

35:37

and say that's a great point .

35:39

Right , this is who I am

35:41

. These are my symptoms , this is what

35:43

I notice about my body , and

35:46

I was not in touch and in tune at that time

35:48

, not in a way that I could know that

35:50

. But what I was learning was

35:52

, if I can go , my allergist was my favorite

35:54

cause . He was the one from the beginning that was like

35:56

, yeah , whatever you can do , let's do it

35:58

, let's get you off . You know , whatever prescription

36:01

pills , we can get you off . And so he was

36:03

the greatest . He was very encouraging , but what I realized

36:05

was it's my responsibility . They're

36:08

there to help . They're there

36:10

to help get you there .

36:11

That is such a great point Cause there is

36:13

until you go through a significant struggle

36:16

and you spend a lot of time with those medical professionals

36:18

and the white coats . You don't really come to understand

36:21

this from an experiential

36:23

level . But there is a clear difference

36:25

between doctoring and

36:27

healing right and

36:29

just by you gaining

36:31

awareness of that

36:33

model and to

36:35

say , hey , if you're seeing 50 patients a day , literally and this is a fact

36:37

they spend on average , it's

36:40

like 18 seconds getting to know a patient

36:42

, 18 seconds Right

36:44

. How much of that life outside of that medical

36:47

or that biomolecular , physiological

36:50

experience is

36:52

going on or being affected by what's

36:54

going on in your life ?

36:56

right . What happens in the other seven

36:58

days a week outside of that 18 seconds ?

37:00

That's right . What are you doing ? That's right .

37:02

And so what I was doing was I was reading . So the Walls

37:04

protocol was a big one , that was a big book . There

37:06

I was just like it's not a big book , but it was a big , it

37:08

had a big impact on me and I thought

37:11

, all right , well , what else can I read Now ? We'll tell you

37:13

. Aubrey Marcus' Own the Day . That

37:15

was another one that kind of launched me , cause it was just

37:17

like how am I gonna wake up every day

37:19

? I was also this person who , for the first 30 , some

37:21

odd years of my life , I just woke up angry .

37:24

Yeah .

37:24

And so I was like all right . And that's a trauma

37:27

response , right Like if you're in a constant

37:29

state of fight or flight . Being awake is freaking traumatic

37:31

.

37:31

It's a control response Right , right

37:34

, which is a trauma response absolutely , but that becomes

37:36

a default mode .

37:37

Right .

37:37

Angry at everything .

37:39

Right , and when you grow up in a situation where

37:41

everything was out of your control , you try to

37:43

control everything in your life . And

37:45

this was also part of where my autoimmune came from

37:47

. Like you cannot control anything except

37:50

your reaction to whatever is happening

37:52

. So I start reading that I

37:54

was also reading Steinbeck , hemingway

37:56

. Ernest Hemingway

37:58

, when he lived in Paris as a writer , would

38:01

intentionally not light the coals in his

38:03

apartment because , for one , he could

38:05

save money and , for two , when he wrote in the

38:07

cold he was focused , he was more driven

38:09

, he was more creatively inspired . He

38:11

did his best work when he was a little bit cold and

38:14

a little bit hungry . He also

38:16

would say that there's no point in eating

38:18

cans of beans for three days in a row . He

38:21

would rather eat one really

38:23

good meal in a restaurant every three days than

38:25

feed his body with cans of beans three days

38:27

in a row . So he was also

38:29

back then experiencing with extended

38:31

fasting and he would say that when he was hungry he

38:34

would write some of his best works . Now

38:36

this is showing up in fiction

38:38

that's more than 50 years old . This is showing

38:41

up in Antifragile . The book by Nassim

38:43

Taleb talks about cold experience , cold exposure

38:45

and building resilience and antifragility through

38:48

these external factors

38:50

. And there were people in Phoenix

38:52

at the time that were doing some

38:54

Wim Hof breath work followed by ice baths

38:56

, and there were people that I knew . I

38:58

know there was never an event that I

39:00

had the time to get to . At the time I was still

39:03

doing the nine to five job thing .

39:05

But as something started turning on a green light

39:07

for you about the cold , yeah

39:10

, mostly that I didn't wanna do it . Yeah , well

39:12

, it's so funny I found you know

39:14

, as one of the symptoms of the autoimmune

39:16

Hashimoto's is intolerance

39:19

to the cold .

39:21

It's an intolerance to cold , but it's also

39:23

your body's inability to regulate against

39:25

external temperature . So

39:28

if it was too hot or too cold , it

39:30

felt like pain to me or it felt

39:32

like sickness to me . Now , keep

39:34

in mind I grew up in Florida , I

39:36

lived in Hawaii , phoenix and Austin . Summers

39:38

are still my favorite time of year . I am

39:40

six years into this practice and

39:43

I don't take ice baths

39:45

because I like the cold . I

39:47

take ice baths because my life depends on it . So

39:50

when I got to that point where

39:52

, finally , jason was like I'm gonna set this up

39:54

in the backyard , I'm gonna buy a tub

39:57

, we're gonna get a whole bunch of ice , we're gonna

39:59

invite some friends over and do some breath work

40:01

and take ice baths , and he's like you

40:03

can join us if you want and you don't

40:05

have to . And that was kind

40:07

of perfect for me because it was the

40:10

invitation without being forced and

40:12

it was also a good way

40:14

to bring out my competitive nature .

40:16

Oh , there it is .

40:17

Because I can't see everybody around

40:19

me doing the thing , all my nearest and dearest

40:21

people doing the thing , and I'm not gonna do the thing

40:23

. So I had to do the thing 2017

40:28

is when this happened . November 6th 2017

40:31

. And I'll never forget it , because this ice

40:33

bath , although it was only nine seconds

40:35

, completely changed the course of my

40:37

life , and

40:40

I was terrified . I

40:42

did the Wim Hof breath work . I

40:44

walked over to the tub , I put one

40:46

foot on each side of the tub , I put one hand

40:48

on each side of the tub and I dropped myself

40:50

in and held my breath under the water . Again

40:53

turns out that was nine seconds . I

40:55

leapt out , I freaked

40:58

out and there were two things that

41:00

happened right away that I knew

41:02

for sure I was going to do this again Like

41:04

not that day , but I was definitely

41:06

going to do it again and the first thing that happened was

41:08

the chronic pain that I would feel in my legs

41:11

for the past 10 years that

41:13

even pain pills didn't touch , was completely

41:15

gone . Nine seconds in an ice bath and

41:18

this chronic pain was gone , and anyone who

41:20

has ever lived with any type of chronic pain

41:22

a moment's relief

41:25

you give a limb

41:27

for . The

41:29

other thing that happened was this sense of empowerment

41:32

, a sense of empowerment like it never

41:34

felt . My entire life I had never

41:36

felt so empowered

41:38

, and over time I realized

41:41

that that meant that I was living my entire life in this false

41:43

brevity , this false bravado . But

41:45

that was okay . That

41:48

day I learned I knew what it felt like to be

41:50

empowered .

41:51

Yeah , what did that do for you ?

41:53

Made me want to do it again and it

41:55

was something in my diagnoses

41:58

, in my labels of chronically ill and

42:00

chronic pain and all of these other

42:02

labels that I'd given myself in my illness

42:05

. It was something I could do

42:07

.

42:08

Yeah , on your own .

42:10

And I you know , because when

42:12

you're in that much pain and you're that sick

42:15

, you're not gonna work out , You're not gonna

42:17

go to the gym . You're not gonna go to yoga . You're

42:19

not gonna be like let me think of all the things I can do

42:21

. All you think of are all the things that you can't

42:23

do .

42:24

Yeah .

42:25

So now , finally , I found something I could

42:27

do . By the way , if you wanna see Adrienne's

42:29

first ice bath , go to Moritzka Forge YouTube

42:31

and just search Adrienne's first ice bath

42:33

.

42:33

Really , it's on there , it's on there and

42:35

you won't recognize me .

42:37

I don't recognize me .

42:37

That is so awesome , but it's on there , so

42:40

it lasted for nine seconds .

42:41

Nine seconds , what was ?

42:42

next , you were empowered and let

42:45

me ask nine seconds , that's a short period

42:47

of time to say , okay

42:49

, this is life change , I can do this

42:51

Right . So your

42:53

competitiveness ? You were determined to get back into

42:55

it . Where did that take you ?

42:58

Well , again , like I said , it was that relief from

43:00

chronic pain . It was

43:02

like , well , I take oxy

43:04

and this doesn't happen . I get acupuncture

43:07

and this doesn't happen . I get massage and this doesn't

43:09

happen . I get the best sleep of my life

43:11

and this doesn't happen . So far

43:13

, this is the only medicine that I have

43:15

found that gets rid of that pain

43:18

. That gets rid of that

43:20

pain .

43:20

How long have you been dealing with that chronic ?

43:22

pain More than 10 years Wow

43:24

, more than 10 years so bad in my legs

43:26

. I had a four inch memory to foam top

43:28

mattress and it would

43:30

still sometimes hurt in the morning

43:32

to drive to work and push a gas and a brake pedal

43:35

. It would still hurt

43:37

just to walk from my bed to the bathroom

43:39

. My legs were just

43:41

. They always felt like they were just being hit with sledgehammers

43:44

. Now was this physical . Probably

43:47

I'm sure it had to do with circulation inflammation

43:49

, lack of movement , because , again

43:51

, at this point I'd spent years just being a sedentary

43:54

as possible because everything hurt and

43:56

everything was hard . I'm also

43:58

sure it was partly mental . Yeah

44:00

. Because I wasn't responsible for

44:03

my illness . It wasn't on me . This

44:05

was something that happened to me , and

44:08

so I think that there was something if I were to get all Louise

44:10

Hay about it that said that I was

44:13

afraid of being able to stand on my

44:15

own two feet . I was afraid of

44:17

walking and taking those next steps in my life

44:19

.

44:21

And how much did that ice bath help you sit

44:23

with that fear ?

44:25

At the time it didn't . At the very

44:27

first ice bath I wasn't fully

44:30

aware . It

44:32

took a handful of ice baths before I was able

44:34

to separate myself enough and create

44:36

those feel good chemicals , enough to create the space

44:39

to start to look back in hindsight

44:41

and say , oh , I

44:43

see what was going on .

44:45

Yeah , did you dig into

44:47

any science behind there ? You just knew that

44:49

this has taken my pain away .

44:51

I'm still digging into science .

44:53

I know you are now , but did you

44:55

go there Because you were clearly still in the fight

44:57

, right ?

44:58

There definitely was not a lot of science

45:01

out there and specifically for women

45:03

, and there still isn't , which is very unfortunate

45:05

. However , there is science out there

45:07

. So Scott Carney wrote the

45:10

book what Doesn't Kill Us , then followed up with the Wedge

45:12

that book . Those two books are filled with

45:14

really good information on cold

45:16

and what it's doing to the body . Blue

45:19

Mind by Wallace J Nichols

45:21

, another book that explains why water

45:23

is specifically so healing to us and

45:27

just really just reading , reading anything

45:29

I could Peter Levine I see you've

45:31

got it right back here in . The Spoken Boys

45:33

.

45:33

You did a great one .

45:34

So the shivering effect and the shaking

45:37

and how that works to release trauma

45:39

and physical , muscle memory of trauma . So I

45:41

was reading anything I could get my hands

45:43

on that had any relation to

45:46

this . Water is a grounding mechanism

45:48

, Experiencing

45:51

temperature extremes and what that meant for

45:53

the body and building resilience and how we

45:55

do that . So

45:57

I've always been an avid reader and

46:00

then once I was on a mission once I was on a mission

46:02

to figure out what is going on here

46:04

I just dove right into it .

46:07

Yeah , so talk to me about that journey and

46:09

it's so interesting . All of these books that you mentioned

46:11

and the techniques that they're using , and the cold

46:13

in general is when

46:16

our bodies are struggling and just

46:19

under , in that constant fight or flight

46:21

, we live in our minds , and we live in

46:23

our minds for so long that

46:25

we forget about our bodies . We literally disconnect

46:28

from the bodies and we resort to

46:30

anger . And so listening

46:32

to the books that you listed and these techniques

46:35

that they talk about and that's exactly what the cold

46:37

does is it gets us back into

46:39

our bodies , because the first thing it does it just yanks

46:41

anything that may be in your mind , it

46:43

just rips it out and you're into your body

46:45

and you're trying to regain control and

46:49

I just I

46:51

love that . I

46:56

, too , am an avid reader and

46:59

we have a mentality here that the patient is your

47:02

textbook and this

47:04

is for our . Organizations are created for

47:06

the patient , by the patient , with

47:08

a philosophy that the Western model and their

47:10

techniques and strategies to treat us are

47:13

to be utilized as a tool , just

47:15

as these natural plant medicines are being utilized

47:17

as tools , as well as the number of other

47:20

tools , like ice bath is a

47:22

tool that connects

47:24

the mind , the body and the spirit in this process

47:27

and allows the body to heal itself . And

47:29

the body is an incredibly intelligent

47:32

being . Right , it does not run on

47:34

profit . So

47:38

it has a different perspective . So

47:42

nine second ice bath . When did this

47:44

become a habit for you

47:46

? When was the aha moment

47:48

when you sat in and you were like this is

47:50

it ?

47:51

Well , it was pretty right away , like I

47:53

said , just a moment's relief from

47:56

that chronic pain in my legs . I was like

47:58

I got to do it again , again , not that day

48:00

. Like I was like all right , I'm feeling great , I don't have

48:02

to push it . Like definitely didn't want to push it and

48:04

I think this is a common misconception

48:06

about an ice bath practice is you think , well , if

48:09

I feel good at two minutes , then I'm gonna feel great

48:11

at 10 . And that's just not true . There

48:14

can be diminishing returns . But what I was

48:16

realizing was that , in

48:19

feeling the extreme cold , it

48:21

was reigniting that conversation between

48:23

the brain and the body . All this years

48:26

, years , decades , I'd spent completely

48:28

numbing the physical sensations

48:30

, because the physical sensations were the emotional

48:32

reminders of the pain that I was going

48:34

through . So now , not

48:37

only was I less afraid

48:39

of the pain because I had an actual

48:41

tool to help with the pain , but every

48:43

time I took an ice bath , my brain

48:46

produced so much dopamine and norepinephrine

48:48

that it was smoothing over those

48:50

hardwired pathways created from a place of trauma

48:52

and replacing them with tens of thousands

48:55

of new neural pathways created from a place

48:57

of meditative calm . So it

48:59

was very quickly that it became

49:01

a weekly , if not at least every other

49:03

week , practice .

49:04

So you were no longer running from those

49:06

sensations , you were actually sitting and

49:09

feeling into them . That

49:11

is the healing process .

49:13

Yeah , not being afraid of

49:15

feeling , because

49:17

even now , even like what we were talking about

49:19

for before this call , I

49:21

am not afraid to feel grief

49:23

, I am not afraid

49:25

to feel sadness , I'm not afraid to

49:28

feel anger . But those

49:30

three emotions , when I was growing

49:32

up , when I was in my 20s , they

49:34

were deadly . Those three

49:36

emotions it

49:40

was too much for me to fathom . So

49:43

I also spent the first 30 years of

49:45

my life denying myself half of my emotional

49:47

existence .

49:49

Wow , that's difficult and

49:52

that explains the difficult journey you've been on . I

50:00

just gotta sit with that for a minute . We

50:06

see this so often in our program . Is

50:08

is

50:12

, once we get through the combat

50:14

trauma with the veterans that we work with , we

50:18

realize that there was a lot there before

50:20

that . And looking at those early years

50:22

and the emotional suppression and

50:24

then , as the physical ailments started

50:26

to present present themselves , the

50:28

chronic suppression of those ailments it's

50:30

just chronic suppression of everything right Keeps

50:32

us coming back to the same point

50:35

over and over and it's a never ending cycle

50:37

. It feels like you're on a hamster wheel . And

50:42

to now sit with someone like you who

50:44

, through our own personal struggle , who has not only

50:46

found her own healing , is now

50:48

giving it back to the collective in

50:50

the world and not to say that that has

50:52

been an easy process or is gonna continue

50:55

to be an easy process , but the

50:57

determination and the passion and the drive

51:00

that , in a conviction that you speak

51:02

with and again , intellect , that is behind it and

51:06

when you hear it out of your mouth

51:08

for the first time , I

51:11

believe it right and people who

51:13

are out of hope and looking for

51:15

answers , they will believe it and that's what makes you incredibly

51:17

powerful , and so , again

51:20

, I commend

51:22

you for who you are and what you're doing . I

51:25

would really like to jump into

51:27

the creation

51:29

of Morosco Forge , the

51:32

Morosco Method , and

51:34

then maybe even entertain what

51:37

is that name and how did you come to that ?

51:39

Yeah , yeah well , first I

51:41

want to say thank you . Thank you for seeing

51:43

me , thank you for acknowledging me and thank

51:45

you for being a supporter of

51:47

this journey , because I have chosen a life of

51:49

service , and a life of service is not an easy life

51:51

and that's okay , and

51:55

so it was very quick . Like I said , it was just

51:58

that first ice bath that I was like this is it

52:00

, I gotta do this , like this is the thing

52:02

it was like all of a sudden the heavens

52:04

pardoned me it was like here's your tool , here's

52:06

your tool . But there were a couple of things

52:09

right away that were problem

52:11

or that were challenges . Number one

52:13

was access . So even in Phoenix

52:15

, arizona , in the middle of the winter time , you're not getting

52:17

cold showers , you're not getting cold water out of your tap

52:19

. So buying two 300

52:21

pounds of ice every time I wanted to take an ice bath

52:24

was not an efficient process . So

52:26

and there wasn't anything in the time in

52:28

the market for the home user , and even

52:30

the things that were on the market for the commercial user

52:32

, they didn't get below 45 degrees and

52:35

I had already grown quickly accustomed

52:37

to freezing . I needed

52:40

it to enact fight or flight . I needed it to bring

52:42

that shock into my system .

52:44

Why .

52:46

Because I could recreate my

52:48

response to it in a safe

52:50

environment . I

52:53

could feel what it felt like to be

52:55

in fight or flight and to be terrified

52:57

and also be in control

52:59

of the ability to practice what my reaction

53:02

could look like . So

53:04

it was recreating that trauma

53:06

from a place of safety .

53:08

And to know that , on purpose , yeah , and

53:11

to know that that traumatic response

53:13

, that high sympathetic response , usually

53:15

in an act of anger or out of anger

53:17

, there were other options

53:19

, right , right . And the more you sat with that

53:22

, the more options you were able to see .

53:24

Right . And the other problem

53:26

that I noticed and this was by my second

53:28

or third ice bath was that I couldn't stand

53:30

for two minutes . I was told

53:32

everything I was reading was said up to the neck

53:35

, full submersion , two whole minutes for

53:37

max health benefits and I could

53:39

not get myself past like 20 , 30 seconds

53:41

. 20 , 30 seconds I'd get to that state of fight

53:43

or flight and I'd freak out and I'd jump out

53:45

. And what I realized was

53:47

I was doing the Wim Hof breathwork before

53:49

the ice bath , which is a powerful breathwork

53:51

, it's an incredible breathwork . It's effective

53:54

for inflammation , it's effective for emotional

53:56

regulation , it's effective for all these really wonderful

53:58

things . And at the

54:00

state that I was in in my life at that time

54:03

, it too closely mimicked an

54:05

anxiety attack . It too closely mimicked

54:07

that hyperventilative state that every

54:09

time I was doing it I was feeling

54:12

that all over again . So then I

54:14

was standing in front of the tub of ice

54:16

and just freaking out . And this is

54:18

by like my third or fourth ice bath . I

54:20

was standing in front of it and I couldn't get in and

54:24

I knew , I knew on the other side

54:26

how I was gonna feel . I knew I had

54:28

to do it to get to that point . And I knew I

54:30

needed to get to that point , like I knew I was

54:32

in pain , I was uncomfortable , I

54:34

knew what I had to do . I just didn't feel

54:36

like I could do it and part

54:38

of it was I was dropping myself into the water

54:41

. So violently I was dropping

54:43

myself into this freezing water , holding

54:45

my breath and really amplifying

54:48

that fight or flight experience . So

54:50

I was thinking how do I do

54:52

this ? How do I get to the other side ? Georgia

54:55

Dare says everything we've ever wanted is

55:00

on the other side of fear .

55:02

Love that quote .

55:03

And how do I get there ? Because

55:05

here , standing next to the tub , I'm

55:08

not cold . Nothing scary is happening . So

55:10

what is this anxiety I'm feeling ? Anxiety

55:12

is a fear of something happening in the future based on an

55:15

event of the past , not what's happening right now

55:17

. Nothing's happening to me right now

55:19

, and so I was pulling on

55:21

my own experience of 10 plus years

55:23

in dialectical behavioral therapy , saying

55:26

that if my head was in an anxious

55:28

state and I needed to get out of that

55:30

anxious state , I needed to activate my physical

55:32

senses . So I'm in the backyard

55:34

. What do I hear ? I hear the birds . What

55:37

do I see ? I see the sunshine . What

55:39

do I feel ? I feel my

55:41

warm , fuzzy pajamas that I was still wearing

55:44

. What can I taste ? I can still taste my coffee

55:46

. What can I touch ? I

55:48

can touch that ice here in about five seconds , and

55:51

so I can touch my feet to the ground and feel

55:53

my feet grounded before me , and

55:55

I realized that I needed to step into

55:57

the water with a mindful intention . I

55:59

needed to choose this .

56:01

Bring yourself into the present .

56:03

Stop being even a victim of the ice bath

56:05

, Because if I'm hovering over it and I'm

56:07

dropping myself in , I'm still a victim . It's

56:10

still in control . So

56:12

how do I choose this

56:14

practice ? I'm choosing . This is my choice

56:16

. I step in , I sit

56:18

down , I lean back and

56:21

I breathe , and I made it to two

56:23

minutes .

56:23

It's that simple .

56:25

Can be .

56:26

Yeah , no , it's incredible and I'm just it's coming

56:29

from someone who has experienced the process , because

56:31

I was smiling when you talked about Wim

56:33

Hof . That's exactly what I

56:35

was doing , right , and

56:39

that was one of the questions that came up . You know , and

56:41

just prepping for this interview is , you know

56:43

what is the difference there ? And

56:46

you took

56:48

a very complex process and

56:52

you essentially put it in a one to two day program

56:54

, which is incredibly effective

56:56

and , having done it myself

56:58

and you

57:00

know , experienced trauma and understand , living in a high

57:03

sympathetic state , what I was

57:05

actually doing to my own body and that

57:07

breath right , taking those 30 deep breaths before

57:09

you get in , you

57:11

know , releasing the adrenaline and the cortisol

57:13

, and that very high sympathetic state and

57:15

you get in and

57:17

essentially a fight or flight state

57:20

that makes it that much harder to get out of . It

57:23

does and to know your experience

57:25

and how you just entirely you

57:28

brought me back

57:30

into my body in a matter of two

57:32

minutes through my own breathing through

57:36

a sound bowl , and it was just very

57:38

calm and very effectively under my

57:40

control . It was night and day and what I

57:42

was , you know , I was in the program we were doing

57:44

prior and it

57:47

comes from your personal experience , and so they hear that

57:50

insight come from you and the

57:52

way that it did . I'm just like there it is . It

57:54

makes absolute sense .

57:55

Well , and it was a part of the process too , that

57:57

I realized that the Wim Hof breath

57:59

work in the hyperventilative holotropic

58:02

hyperactive state . I was

58:04

living in that state . I didn't

58:06

need to keep putting myself in that state . I needed to

58:08

find the antithesis of that state and

58:10

then , when I started using the sensory

58:12

immersion to get myself calm , so that I

58:14

could meet the cold with calm . I

58:16

started having a lot more mental and emotional

58:19

benefits on the other side of that ice bath

58:21

. It was no longer just physical Now

58:23

. It was this responsiveness

58:26

rather than reactiveness .

58:27

Well , you said a word sensory immersion

58:30

, instead of sensory aversion . You

58:32

started going deep with it .

58:34

How can I see more , feel

58:36

more , touch more , hear more , taste

58:39

more ? Why not ? And that's

58:41

also when , when I started doing this

58:43

and I'd done a handful and I was

58:45

feeling such incredible benefits . Every single

58:47

time I took an ice bath I got out a different person , and

58:50

so I started telling everyone

58:53

. And in telling everyone , I was

58:55

like I've got a technique . Let me walk you through

58:57

it .

58:58

What was this doing with the Hashimoto's ?

59:00

I didn't notice right away specifically

59:02

the Hashimoto's , but what I noticed was

59:05

I had energy which you didn't before which

59:07

I never did before , and I

59:09

was sleeping better at night , even though I'd sleep dead to

59:11

the world before . My sleep

59:13

was more effective . I was waking up feeling already

59:15

refreshed . Most people thought of immune . They wake up and

59:18

they tell you they're already tired , they already want to

59:20

go back to bed . I was waking up

59:22

ready to take on the day . I was

59:24

waking up being a morning person . I

59:26

was no longer waking up angry . That

59:31

was the most life changing

59:33

experience . I

59:36

mean , take the ice bath away 30-some-odd

59:38

years . All of a sudden I wake up , and I don't wake up angry

59:40

. I'll do it again .

59:42

That's a big deal .

59:44

Yeah , and in

59:46

diving into the sensory immersion , that's when I was

59:48

learning . Well , I can create specific

59:50

smells that help calm the brain . I

59:53

can create specific sounds , using

59:56

sound bowls and vibration healing to

59:58

create an environment in the brain

1:00:00

that is already calming to

1:00:02

the nervous system . So it was not

1:00:04

just how can I engage the senses in

1:00:06

the sensory fields of what I'm already feeling , how

1:00:09

can I enhance each of those sensory fields

1:00:11

to give you the full , grounded

1:00:13

experience before you ever step

1:00:15

into that state of fight or flight ?

1:00:17

Yeah , so , good on you .

1:00:18

And then using those tools while

1:00:20

you're in a state of fight or flight , to help guide

1:00:23

you gently through that process . Yeah

1:00:25

, because one of the biggest things that I've learned from working

1:00:27

with veterans they come

1:00:29

back from combat , they're

1:00:32

in civilian life . The

1:00:34

threat still seems very real , the

1:00:36

threat is still there .

1:00:37

Oh , it's very real .

1:00:38

So how do we shift

1:00:41

that ? How do we put you

1:00:43

into that state ? Help

1:00:45

you use your own tools of empowerment

1:00:47

to create a responsiveness

1:00:50

rather than reactiveness .

1:00:51

To get out of the mind and

1:00:53

into the body and to be able to sit

1:00:55

with that right , because the only way out

1:00:58

is through . We're not going around

1:01:00

, we're not going the other direction . We cannot

1:01:02

avoid it . The only way to get to a true

1:01:04

healing process and the root of the problem

1:01:06

is through it .

1:01:08

We can't deny it .

1:01:09

And that's exactly what you're doing , and that's just

1:01:11

music to my ears . Yeah . How

1:01:14

long before you started seeing clear

1:01:19

and significant results with the Hashimoto's

1:01:21

?

1:01:23

Every time I took an ice bath , like I said , I got out a different

1:01:25

person , and it was within

1:01:27

the first three to six months . I mean

1:01:29

the weight was melting off . That

1:01:32

was the most surprising thing . I was already

1:01:34

on low inflammation food . I was already doing

1:01:36

intermittent and extended fasting that didn't touch

1:01:38

the pounds at all .

1:01:40

Really .

1:01:40

But then I start doing ice baths regularly

1:01:42

and the ice is melting the weight .

1:01:45

Wow .

1:01:45

But it wasn't . I'm learning now . Looking

1:01:47

back at the time I didn't know this . But looking back

1:01:50

I can say it was the

1:01:52

ice that was melting the weight . It was

1:01:54

activating my brown fat , turning white fat

1:01:56

into burning energy . It was also

1:01:58

creating a happy environment within my

1:02:00

emotional state . Yeah . No

1:02:02

longer producing copious amounts of adrenaline

1:02:05

and cortisol . Now I'm producing copious

1:02:07

amounts of norepinephrine and dopamine .

1:02:09

Allowing you to stay in a parasympathetic state .

1:02:10

Allowing me to stay , allowing me to know what it

1:02:12

feels like to be in parasympathetic .

1:02:14

Yeah .

1:02:14

I don't think I'd ever felt it in my body before that

1:02:17

.

1:02:17

Yeah , ever . You don't know what it feels like to relax

1:02:19

.

1:02:19

I had no idea , I

1:02:21

had no idea . And then

1:02:23

, all of a sudden , when your monkey mind is

1:02:25

not looking at every corner in the room for

1:02:28

danger , and all of a sudden , when

1:02:30

your body is not just like this all the time

1:02:32

waiting for the next thing to happen , and

1:02:34

you feel that peace , just like that , the pain

1:02:36

leaving my legs . It was like the pain

1:02:38

could leave my body .

1:02:40

Yeah , that was hope .

1:02:41

In my brain and

1:02:43

I could see color for the

1:02:45

first time and I could smell things

1:02:47

for the first time and it wasn't an

1:02:49

offense to my senses . Half

1:02:54

the reason I think I developed so many allergies

1:02:56

, it was because everything was an offense

1:02:58

and an assault on my senses .

1:03:00

Yeah , and

1:03:02

that's what we become very good at . It's

1:03:04

avoiding anything that creates a sensory

1:03:06

experience until we

1:03:08

have isolated ourselves to a point and exhausted

1:03:11

to a point where we don't feel like being here anymore

1:03:13

.

1:03:13

Yep , and that's exactly Because I can't do it

1:03:15

anymore . Yeah , I don't want to feel this

1:03:17

anymore .

1:03:18

It's not impulsive .

1:03:19

And when I've gotten to those points myself

1:03:21

and suicidal ideation and those

1:03:23

deep , dark moments , I have said

1:03:25

I don't want to feel anything anymore Because

1:03:28

even when you know that there's a good feeling

1:03:31

to be had , yeah , you know where it goes , you know

1:03:33

where it goes and you know it doesn't last

1:03:35

. Mm-hmm . Ecstasy does not last

1:03:37

, utopia does not last . Most of

1:03:39

life is this . Mm-hmm . Those

1:03:41

moments of pure bliss that we're constantly

1:03:44

seeking out . They only last for a fraction

1:03:46

, yeah , and we have to find

1:03:48

the joy and the beauty of the lows

1:03:51

, of the highs , of the process

1:03:53

of moving through it all .

1:03:54

Yeah , as well as create

1:03:57

the resilience so that they're

1:03:59

not so extreme , right , right

1:04:01

, so that we can move and navigate

1:04:03

through them in a very healthy manner and still

1:04:05

be find balance , productivity

1:04:07

, mindfulness , presence in our own lives . Yeah

1:04:10

, so that we approach with love and compassion

1:04:12

and not anger .

1:04:13

Right , because when I go

1:04:16

to get my coffee in the morning and the person

1:04:18

behind the counter snaps at me , that's

1:04:20

not about me .

1:04:21

It's not .

1:04:22

That's about the pain that they're in .

1:04:23

Yeah .

1:04:24

And it gives you a lot of capacity . Yeah

1:04:27

. For holding compassion for what

1:04:29

? Other people are going through . You

1:04:31

stop also . I stopped also

1:04:33

becoming the central focus of my life . I had

1:04:36

no idea how selfish and

1:04:38

blinded and closed off I was to everything

1:04:40

around me , because I was just constantly

1:04:42

in this state of fear .

1:04:44

Yeah , and you don't even realize it , right

1:04:46

? And it's really not until you

1:04:48

get to the other side , and well beyond it , that

1:04:50

you're able to look back and see how detrimental

1:04:53

that was . Yeah , right , and

1:04:55

how difficult it actually is to end generational trauma

1:04:58

. Right , you didn't choose to have

1:05:00

that relationship or

1:05:02

relationship struggles with your father and

1:05:04

Well .

1:05:06

I could argue that I chose that before I got here

1:05:08

.

1:05:08

We made that sole contract , that this time

1:05:10

he'd be the bad guy , you know .

1:05:12

Yeah , but to see how

1:05:14

that carries on through people's lives and

1:05:17

how 95%

1:05:19

of everything we do is out of our conscious control

1:05:22

. A lot of that is a habitual behavior and

1:05:24

created that perspective , created through the years

1:05:26

of zero and seven , and I know

1:05:28

that's hard for a lot of people to believe . But to

1:05:31

see how that is playing out and

1:05:33

if you don't listen to my words , listen to Gabor Matay

1:05:36

, listen to Dr Vander Cove , listen to Peter Levine

1:05:38

, and I think we start

1:05:40

seeing the remnants

1:05:42

of that or the evidence

1:05:45

of that struggle in

1:05:47

our late life and it

1:05:49

just throws us for a loop early

1:05:53

, you know , early adulthood , in your early 30s

1:05:56

, right With an autoimmune disorder .

1:05:58

Yeah , getting married not understanding

1:06:00

what it looks like to communicate with

1:06:02

a partner , to problem solve

1:06:04

with a partner , to resolve conflict

1:06:06

with a partner , to deal with stresses with

1:06:08

a partner , not having that model and

1:06:10

that understanding of what it means to

1:06:12

show up as a partner . You

1:06:14

know , I didn't have any of that , yeah

1:06:17

, and that's it's okay . It's

1:06:19

okay Because every one of those steps led me to here

1:06:21

. You know , have a great relationship with my father

1:06:24

now . Great relationship with my mother now . Good

1:06:26

for you . By choice .

1:06:28

Good for you .

1:06:28

With heavily boundaries .

1:06:30

You know , good for you too . Starting with me

1:06:32

, always starting with me . Yeah .

1:06:35

But even that came from changes , from the cold . Yeah

1:06:38

, and as I'm going through this

1:06:40

, as I'm going through this process of getting myself

1:06:42

through the ice bath and then introducing friends

1:06:44

to the cold , I'm realizing like

1:06:46

, first of all , I would love to guide everyone in the

1:06:48

world's first ice bath . That would be

1:06:51

amazing . Yeah , it's

1:06:53

also not possible . So since

1:06:55

it's not possible , how am I going to do it ? Well

1:06:57

, I'm going to list others . I'm

1:07:00

going to teach others the method that I

1:07:03

have created so that they can

1:07:05

guide people through the cold and guide people

1:07:07

through the fight or flight or the stress response experienced

1:07:09

in the cold . And that is the morasco method , that

1:07:11

is , the morasco method .

1:07:15

Can you ? No

1:07:17

, I

1:07:19

was going to say because I love the , just

1:07:21

the , the sequence that you take someone through . I

1:07:24

was , I was going to put you on a spot and say , hey , could

1:07:26

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1:07:27

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1:07:27

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1:07:52

So imagine if you will . You're standing in front

1:07:54

of the ice pad and I'm standing

1:07:56

in front of it . You and I have done this before , yeah

1:07:59

. And we're looking into each other's eyes and

1:08:01

we'll start right there , just by saying holding that

1:08:03

level of eye contact can be incredibly

1:08:06

powerful and intimidating

1:08:08

for many , many people

1:08:10

. Yeah . So if you've never done any

1:08:12

type of eye gazing exercise , start there . You

1:08:15

can do it with a stranger , you can do it with a friend . Try

1:08:18

to have the conversation before so you know what you're doing . But

1:08:20

that in and of itself can be incredibly uncomfortable

1:08:22

. But you also want to set your space

1:08:24

, create some mood lighting

1:08:26

. Maybe you're in the sunshine , because it'll be nice to

1:08:28

step out of the cold in the sun . Maybe you're indoors

1:08:31

and you have some amber glow or even

1:08:33

a red glow that helps calm you down a

1:08:35

little bit . Set off some scents . A

1:08:37

little bit of lavender is going to help you calm down

1:08:39

. So creating ceremony

1:08:41

around this experience

1:08:44

is also , in and of itself

1:08:46

, like a medicine journey . Okay , so

1:08:48

we've got our environment . You're standing in front

1:08:50

of me . We're looking at each other's eyes . I

1:08:52

will say I want you

1:08:54

to look directly into my eyes

1:08:57

while I speak . I

1:09:00

want you to keep your body still

1:09:02

. I

1:09:05

want you to notice your feet firm

1:09:07

, strong , solid

1:09:10

on the ground beneath you . Now

1:09:14

I want you to bring all of your awareness

1:09:16

up to your arms . Notice

1:09:20

how they hang heavy

1:09:22

, loose by

1:09:25

your sides . You

1:09:27

can feel your body start to

1:09:29

relax . And

1:09:32

now I want you to move all of your attention

1:09:34

to your breath . Together

1:09:37

, when prompted , we

1:09:40

will both . Take a deep , strong

1:09:42

, powerful inhale to

1:09:44

expand the belly . Let's do that now . Hold

1:09:50

at the top and

1:09:52

let the exhale fall with an audible

1:09:54

sigh Hold

1:09:58

at the bottom . And

1:10:02

then another deep , strong

1:10:04

, powerful inhale to

1:10:06

expand the belly . Hold

1:10:10

at the top and

1:10:14

let the exhale fall with an audible

1:10:16

sigh Hold

1:10:20

at the bottom . I

1:10:22

want you to continue to breathe

1:10:24

this way while I speak . When

1:10:27

you step into the water , you will do so slow

1:10:30

, calm , with

1:10:32

full mindfulness and intention

1:10:34

. You will place both

1:10:36

feet firm on the bottom

1:10:39

of the tub . You will

1:10:41

sit down without hesitation

1:10:43

, allowing the water to wash

1:10:45

up over your body , over

1:10:47

your shoulders , all the way

1:10:50

to your neck as your arms

1:10:52

and your hands fall to your sides

1:10:54

, and you will breathe

1:10:56

. All you

1:10:58

ever have to do is

1:11:01

breathe . Step

1:11:03

into the water now . I'd

1:11:06

ring the bell . You step in

1:11:08

as soon as your toes touch

1:11:10

the water . I remind you this

1:11:13

is what cold feels

1:11:15

like . The reason for

1:11:17

that is because most of us have never felt cold

1:11:19

water like that , as a physical sensation

1:11:22

, and if we don't know how to , if

1:11:25

our brain doesn't know how to categorize it , it

1:11:27

will jump all over the place trying to figure out what it is

1:11:29

Does it need to be prepared ? What are we preparing for

1:11:31

? And when I say this is

1:11:33

what cold feels like , the brain creates

1:11:36

this nice little file folder . It puts that sensation

1:11:38

in that folder , and that's a lot of work . It doesn't have to do

1:11:40

anymore . You sit through your

1:11:42

two minutes . I'll probably share words of

1:11:44

affirmation . I'm definitely surrounding

1:11:46

you with a singing bowl tied to

1:11:49

a note that is tied to a chakra specifically

1:11:51

for grounding or healing in some way

1:11:53

. Two minutes , when

1:11:56

it's two minutes , you stand up , you step

1:11:58

out , and when you step out , you do not immediately

1:12:00

grab the towel , you do not jump into

1:12:02

push-ups or squats or physical activity . You

1:12:04

stand in power pose . Power

1:12:07

poems is actually called arms akimbo

1:12:10

and it's very specific . If

1:12:12

you stand with your feet wider than hips distance

1:12:14

apart , your hands and fists on your hips , with

1:12:16

your thumbs pointing behind you , your chest out , your

1:12:18

shoulders back , your elbows out , your chin

1:12:20

up , and you breathe calmly

1:12:23

until you regulate your breath , you're also

1:12:25

creating additional chemicals that create calm confidence

1:12:27

in the brain . That's why they call it power pose

1:12:29

. So also , by stepping

1:12:31

out of the ice bath and standing in a power pose

1:12:34

, what we're teaching ourselves is that in

1:12:36

moments of extreme physical discomfort or

1:12:38

even stress . We do not have to

1:12:40

do anything . All

1:12:43

we have to do is pause , breathe

1:12:46

, reflect , yeah

1:12:49

, stay in

1:12:51

it , feel it . Don't run from

1:12:53

it .

1:12:53

Yeah , it's so incredible

1:12:56

because seeing you do this and thank

1:12:58

you so much for being put on the spot and

1:13:00

just awesome . You're awesome

1:13:02

, I knew you would be .

1:13:04

I felt that little trance too . I did

1:13:07

Like you're looking in my eyes I was like , oh , you

1:13:09

do jump in the ice bath . I'm sweating because my body's

1:13:11

like are we going to get in the ice ?

1:13:12

bath . I was there . I was

1:13:14

there . I was actually standing at

1:13:16

my house ready to get in the ice bath and my

1:13:19

toes were looking for it . But

1:13:22

to see , you know , I went

1:13:24

through . I went through the certification with a

1:13:27

significant number of people who had zero

1:13:29

experience with ice bath and

1:13:32

to see the responses , as they got in

1:13:34

for the very first time , under

1:13:37

their own control , without panic

1:13:39

, without . There was some , definitely

1:13:41

some amplified breathing , but not as

1:13:43

much as I would have expected by

1:13:46

any means , and they stayed for the full two

1:13:48

minutes and a complete level of calm . It

1:13:50

was very impressive . And

1:13:53

so not only to see it with myself , because I easily

1:13:55

could have sat in and say , hey , okay

1:13:57

, I've been getting an ice for a while but to

1:13:59

see the newcomers who were there , who had never

1:14:01

experienced it , and to

1:14:03

have them go through the process . You took each

1:14:05

one through that exact script and

1:14:08

they went into it with calm , they came

1:14:10

out of it with calm and

1:14:12

, in their own words , it's changed

1:14:14

their lives and so it's

1:14:17

. It's just I'm

1:14:19

saying that as a testament and because

1:14:22

there's a lot of stuff out there and there's a lot of stuff

1:14:24

on the market and there are a lot of ice bath

1:14:27

where you can essentially

1:14:31

lease the space or or

1:14:33

get a membership and and have your own

1:14:35

time . But I would highly

1:14:38

recommend for someone who has never

1:14:40

done it to dig into your

1:14:42

method right and to understand your process

1:14:45

and the why , and then I think they're just

1:14:47

going to it's going to force them to see so

1:14:49

much within themselves , awaken

1:14:51

them and give them a reality check to their

1:14:54

you know , their own conscious habits and

1:14:56

the things that they're putting in their body and and

1:14:58

why they're possibly living in that sympathetic

1:15:00

or fight or flight state , and

1:15:03

then start to take these steps and these techniques

1:15:05

and tools that allow them to achieve

1:15:07

a better life right .

1:15:09

Because the Morotska method doesn't just

1:15:11

help you in the cold with the stress response

1:15:13

found in the cold . The Morotska method

1:15:16

helps you create your own experience

1:15:18

to respond to stress in life . So

1:15:21

if I know I'm about to go sit in an hour's worth

1:15:23

of traffic and it's going to be bumper , bumper

1:15:25

, I accept that . I say OK

1:15:27

, can I add some lavender to my car

1:15:29

diffuser ? Can I do some

1:15:31

deep belly breathing as I'm driving down the road

1:15:33

? Can I listen to soft music ? I

1:15:35

love harp music . Harp music , h-a-r-p . It's

1:15:38

always hard to understand what I'm saying , but harp

1:15:40

music puts the body and

1:15:42

the mind into a self meditative , self healing

1:15:45

state . So , creating

1:15:47

the environment , using the Morotska

1:15:49

method to create the environment of calm

1:15:51

that you want to achieve prior to experiencing

1:15:54

the stress that you know you're walking into Difficult

1:15:57

romantic conversation , anything

1:15:59

to do with a teenager or a toddler , mother

1:16:01

in law , stuff , like there are all different

1:16:03

types and walks in life where we know

1:16:05

we're stepping into stress . How

1:16:07

can we prepare our mind

1:16:10

, our body , our hearts to

1:16:12

step into it as a grounded person ?

1:16:14

It gives them agency . Yeah

1:16:16

, and that's what Dr Gabriel Mate

1:16:18

talks about the three pillars of healing authenticity

1:16:22

, acceptance and

1:16:26

agency . That control over your own body and

1:16:30

to learn these techniques through

1:16:32

a simple and effective process

1:16:35

that you have and I'm not saying

1:16:37

simple in a bad way , but it gives them agency

1:16:39

over their own life . Not only

1:16:42

, and

1:16:44

now that once they have that agency

1:16:46

now , they can take new intentions into

1:16:48

the next ice bath and continue to dig deeper

1:16:51

into expanding that agency over

1:16:53

their own life . And essentially it was

1:16:55

the agency that allowed

1:16:57

you to be symptom free , right

1:17:00

.

1:17:01

Yeah , it's understanding that in

1:17:04

my trauma response I was always

1:17:06

trying to control my external environment

1:17:08

. But the truth is I

1:17:10

can control me . I

1:17:12

can control what I eat , what I breathe , what I

1:17:14

speak , what I consume , how

1:17:16

I treat my body , how I react in my

1:17:18

body . All the control that I was trying

1:17:21

to exercise internally was

1:17:23

all the control that I needed to be focusing on internally

1:17:26

, Because if I walk into that romantic

1:17:28

conversation or that difficult experience

1:17:31

or that traffic situation , I don't have

1:17:33

any control over that outcome . I

1:17:35

do have control how I show up , how

1:17:38

I respond , how I walk away .

1:17:41

Yeah , and by focusing

1:17:43

on your internal , that controls the

1:17:45

perspective and how you experience the external

1:17:48

right , instead of vice versa . That's

1:17:51

agency .

1:17:53

It doesn't mean I don't still sometimes have those

1:17:55

moments where I think the entire world is out to get me

1:17:57

. Yeah , that they don't go away . I

1:17:59

think this is the biggest myths . Conception

1:18:01

about healing is that

1:18:03

there's some sort of end goal , that

1:18:05

I'm going to get to a place where I just don't have to feel

1:18:08

these things anymore and it doesn't have to be like this anymore . No

1:18:10

, no , no , no , no , no . Healing is the practice

1:18:13

of Lifestyle . Mm-hmm . So

1:18:18

, while I was developing the method , jason

1:18:21

was in the backyard busy trying to figure out

1:18:23

how do I make sure Adrienne has 24-7

1:18:25

access to the cold .

1:18:26

Yeah .

1:18:27

That was big Tom . Our business

1:18:29

partner started shipping these dorm refrigerators

1:18:32

to our house and Jason just starts tearing

1:18:34

him apart trying to figure out where does cold come from . Now

1:18:37

here , I think he's going to blow up the house . He explains

1:18:39

that's not how thermodynamics work , so that's good

1:18:41

to know First lesson in thermodynamics

1:18:43

. And as soon as

1:18:45

he figured out where the cold came from , we

1:18:48

had our first ugly prototype of an all

1:18:50

the time ice bath . And so now

1:18:52

I had this tool within . It was like within the

1:18:54

first four to six months of discovering

1:18:57

the practice that Jason had figured

1:18:59

this out , and so now I have an

1:19:01

all the time ice bath . Now , if I have an allergic

1:19:03

reaction and I get sent home from work

1:19:05

because , you know , the cleaning crew was wearing cologne

1:19:08

or my coworkers wearing smelly lotion and

1:19:10

I go home because I'm a walking literal hive

1:19:12

, I go take an ice bath instead

1:19:14

of medicine . Sometimes I'm

1:19:16

taking two and three a day because if it was an extreme

1:19:19

reaction , that's what it would take . But

1:19:21

I had 24 seven access and

1:19:24

in this process we were learning . We weren't

1:19:26

just solving our own problems , we were solving the problems

1:19:28

from a lot of people around us who were

1:19:30

also trying to find 24 seven

1:19:32

cold .

1:19:33

Yeah , so this wasn't a commercial application

1:19:35

. This was to go in the residents of people's homes

1:19:37

.

1:19:38

It was just to save me and my life

1:19:40

.

1:19:40

Yeah .

1:19:41

Jason was just like , how do I help

1:19:43

Adrian ? And he was seeing

1:19:45

. He was seeing that every time I took a nice bath I

1:19:48

was a different person . He was seeing

1:19:50

these parts of me that were coming alive . You

1:19:52

know , it was having an impact on our relationship . There

1:19:55

was this one time we were sitting on the patio and

1:19:58

this was early days and it was one

1:20:00

of those where I was just crying

1:20:02

and sobbing and just arguing

1:20:04

with him . And now , normally

1:20:06

one of these experiences and again this is a

1:20:08

mimicry of what I grew up dealing

1:20:11

with in extremes and emotions and coping mechanisms I

1:20:13

just didn't know what I was doing . So

1:20:16

I'm sobbing and I can't express

1:20:18

what I'm trying to express . And in my head

1:20:20

I hear my therapist move your

1:20:22

bodies , just stand up , just stand up , just stand up , because

1:20:25

if I can stand up and move my body , it can move the emotion . So

1:20:27

I'm in my head and I'm sobbing and I'm just like just

1:20:29

stand up , just stand up , just stand up , just stand up . And

1:20:31

I'm in a complete freeze response . And

1:20:34

all of a sudden it was like a light bulb went off and I was just stand

1:20:36

up and get in the ice , just

1:20:40

stand up and get in the ice , and

1:20:43

it was probably third or fourth time it went in my head . I

1:20:46

just stood up , I walked across the yard , I

1:20:48

went and sat in the water and the first minute

1:20:50

was just me sobbing , just you

1:20:53

know . Second minute was just more like you

1:20:58

know . By minute three I was like yeah

1:21:00

. And

1:21:02

then by minute four I was like okay , I'm done

1:21:04

, I'm getting out . And I walked back

1:21:06

over the patio and I looked down and I said here's the thing . I

1:21:10

don't remember what we are arguing about , but

1:21:12

what I do know is I just want to enjoy this evening with

1:21:14

you . Can we just forget about

1:21:16

it and move on and start over ? No

1:21:19

one in my life up into that point would

1:21:22

have ever expected to hear those words out of my mouth . That

1:21:25

situation prior to ice baths would

1:21:27

have turned into a three hour knock down , drag

1:21:29

out of me , screaming , crying , yelling

1:21:31

, pouting , freezing , fawning

1:21:33

, the whole bit , a two to

1:21:35

three day emotional hangover , all

1:21:38

kinds of relationship repair . That needed

1:21:40

to be done too , because I just brought Jason

1:21:42

through this emotional process as well . And

1:21:45

now , now I

1:21:47

understand that this ice bath is more than a powerful

1:21:49

tool for a histone reaction , more

1:21:52

than a powerful tool for filling empowerment . This

1:21:55

is a powerful tool for when you

1:21:57

are in an active state , a

1:21:59

fight or flight , an active state of emotional

1:22:01

dysregulation . You can use

1:22:03

this tool to calm you down . So , instead of reaching

1:22:06

for the alcohol , the

1:22:08

marijuana , the porn , the

1:22:10

whatever the thing is , the Oreos , the

1:22:12

pizza , the soda , whatever

1:22:15

it was , that would give me that tiny dopamine hand

1:22:17

, now I knew I could go sit

1:22:19

in the cold and get a full reset and completely

1:22:21

feel better .

1:22:23

Yeah , and you just said it a full reset , because the

1:22:25

ice bath is not just there to calm you down

1:22:27

. You actually process a lot of

1:22:29

those emotions right . Allowing your body

1:22:31

to feel and process and

1:22:33

release right that's the big thing is to release

1:22:36

it and release the shame .

1:22:36

Yeah , because when I walked back

1:22:38

over to him , you know previously it

1:22:41

would have been . I'm so sorry

1:22:43

I did this and then I'd want to self-flage

1:22:45

late you know , because I did this and I brought

1:22:47

you down and I did this and I did instead . It was

1:22:49

just . I apologize .

1:22:51

Yeah .

1:22:51

This is what I want to do differently next time . Yeah

1:22:54

. This is what I want to do right now . Oh

1:22:56

, he was so gay .

1:22:58

Yeah , so gay . And how much of that

1:23:00

perspective and reasoning and thought

1:23:02

did you work through in that third and fourth minute

1:23:04

of that ice bath Was

1:23:06

there ? Were you completely out of your mind

1:23:08

or did it allow you or

1:23:10

maybe it was after when you came out with a fresh perspective

1:23:13

to really sit with that situation ?

1:23:16

You know , part of it , I think , was being able

1:23:18

to sit in the ice and sob .

1:23:20

Yeah .

1:23:22

I was safe . With the emotion yeah , there

1:23:24

was something in my subconscious that knew that if I was

1:23:26

in the cold , I was safe , you were safe , and

1:23:28

if I was in the cold , I was in the right place . And

1:23:31

it's my subconscious saying , yeah , because I'm going to

1:23:33

give you all these dopamine hits , I'm going to give you

1:23:35

all this norepinephrine and I'm going to help you smooth

1:23:37

over hardwired pathways of trauma and I'm

1:23:39

going to help you feel really good right now . I'm also

1:23:42

going to reduce the inflammation in the body . I'm also

1:23:44

going to it's like all of these different things happening

1:23:46

. As I'm sitting there and I'm sobbing , I'm

1:23:48

realizing well

1:23:50

, this is , this is a tool . Yeah

1:23:53

. This isn't meant to

1:23:55

make me feel bad about who I

1:23:57

am or how I got here . This is meant to show me

1:23:59

the tools that

1:24:01

I have to move through

1:24:03

how I got here , because I'm gonna be here

1:24:05

again , yeah , again . I

1:24:07

don't get rid of that coping mechanism

1:24:10

. It's not that I'm so reactive anymore . I don't

1:24:12

typically have those reactions anymore , but

1:24:14

it doesn't ever fully go away . But

1:24:18

now I know what to do with it . You

1:24:20

know , previously it was like well , you eat

1:24:22

the pizza , the Oreos , the alcohol , the whatever

1:24:25

the thing is . With a tiny dopamine hit Now

1:24:27

my subconscious and now bringing

1:24:29

into my forward conscious , my body knows well

1:24:32

, I want the lasting thing , I

1:24:35

want the thing that's going to teach me , I want the thing that's

1:24:37

going to create space in my

1:24:39

brain . Yeah for me to see

1:24:41

the whole perspective . Yeah

1:24:43

, I want that hindsight to get

1:24:45

sooner and broader , and

1:24:48

that's , I think , also what a nice bad that's

1:24:50

is . It really throws things into perspective

1:24:52

. Yeah .

1:24:53

Yeah , and allows you to get back to your authentic self

1:24:55

. Mm-hmm . That's a that's a big deal

1:24:58

, and I just so

1:25:01

Now

1:25:03

, this was this . Was you

1:25:07

finally got to a point where you

1:25:09

found the prototype ? And you were able

1:25:11

to use it on a daily basis within your home , because

1:25:13

this was a challenge being being . You

1:25:15

were in Arizona , correct ? Mm-hmm . And so

1:25:17

finding ice or ice on a daily bath

1:25:19

at basis to continue to fill the tub , which I

1:25:22

just recently had to do that After

1:25:24

you know , changing mine out because I wanted to get it

1:25:26

there the same day that a refilled

1:25:29

it , and it

1:25:31

does take about 200 pounds of ice , yeah

1:25:34

you're reminded yeah , you're reminded of

1:25:36

what it's like to carry it .

1:25:37

Yeah , yeah , yeah it's

1:25:39

a lot . It's a lot .

1:25:41

I never would have thought . I'm like holy cow , I

1:25:43

fill it up with about 80 pounds and it

1:25:45

barely moved the needle and I'm like this

1:25:48

is crazy .

1:25:49

I think it's so cute when people say

1:25:52

yeah , I did 60 whole pounds

1:25:54

of ice in my bathtub at home and I'm going . Did

1:25:56

you check that temperature it ? Was really cold , I

1:25:58

believe , you believe it was . You

1:26:01

know , any amount of cold is a good amount of cold

1:26:03

. If you're uncomfortable , you're doing some work , and If

1:26:06

you are trying to change the way that your

1:26:08

brain processes , you

1:26:12

want to be in fight or flight . Yeah , you

1:26:14

want to freeze .

1:26:16

What is the ideal temperature I ?

1:26:19

Think 33 degrees . Yeah , right above

1:26:21

freezing and and I really

1:26:23

32 and a half or 32.1

1:26:25

, because I want to be surrounded

1:26:27

by those big chunks of ice also

1:26:29

. I love my big chunks because it's also

1:26:32

I can hear it , so it's sensory

1:26:35

.

1:26:35

Yeah right .

1:26:35

I can see it , so I understand what to expect

1:26:38

. There is more pride right , and

1:26:40

it feels like a gravity blanket

1:26:42

pressing in yeah and there's something very

1:26:44

soothing about that too . Hmm , so

1:26:47

I like the weight of it pressing in on

1:26:49

my body . I've gotten into my ice bath

1:26:51

before where there was so much ice I couldn't

1:26:53

fully get in , and then I had to get out to

1:26:55

pull chunks out and then get back in . That's

1:26:57

a hard process .

1:26:59

Good problem to have now . What does Hubertman say ? Do

1:27:01

you know about the ideal temperature ?

1:27:03

He says from what ? If I recall

1:27:06

correctly , he says anything below 55

1:27:08

degrees . Hmm and up

1:27:10

to 11 minutes a week . Okay

1:27:13

spread out However you want to do it . Hmm

1:27:17

so below 55 , 11 minutes a week

1:27:19

. I think it depends on what you're working on . I Think

1:27:21

if you have chronic illness , metabolic disease , ptsd

1:27:25

, you want to freeze .

1:27:26

Yeah , now is there a certain

1:27:29

temperature that gives the full emphatic flush

1:27:31

. That I

1:27:33

don't know .

1:27:34

Scientifically I don't know

1:27:36

. I just believe that again , when you were activating fight

1:27:38

or flight , when all those

1:27:40

systems in your body come along to work at

1:27:43

optimum efficiency because your body thinks you're dying , that's

1:27:45

when every system you have is going to say we better

1:27:47

do our job . We

1:27:50

better overdo our job , because we have to keep you alive . Yeah , so it's . It's my anecdotal

1:27:52

.

1:27:56

Yeah , but when you say you know a wide varying

1:27:58

temperature between 55 to 33 degrees , I mean

1:28:00

when you do this enough , there's a clear

1:28:03

difference between 42 degrees and 37

1:28:05

degrees , 100%

1:28:09

.

1:28:09

You can feel the degree change .

1:28:11

Now 55 degrees Does

1:28:15

nowhere near for me what 33

1:28:18

degrees does , and so I just want to say that I loud as a clear distinction that . You

1:28:20

know , at 55 degrees , yes , there are health benefits to that

1:28:22

, but you are not going to receive

1:28:25

the full health benefits until you get

1:28:27

down below , really , that 37 degree mark . I

1:28:29

don't get undressed for anything over 37 degrees

1:28:32

.

1:28:33

Well , you got some cold men in your life . Yeah , it's here's

1:28:38

hoping , taking applications

1:28:40

. Yeah , I think that I think

1:28:42

the point is to

1:28:45

shock the system and I think that there

1:28:47

are people who are shocked at

1:28:49

55 degrees . If

1:28:52

you have no experience , if you are brand

1:28:54

new to this practice , you can go into that state of fight or flight at

1:28:56

55 degrees . I also just happened

1:28:58

to be able to get to that point . I

1:29:01

also just happened to start at these

1:29:03

freezing temperatures . I also

1:29:05

happen to be like I said , I'm a competitive

1:29:07

person and I want cold

1:29:10

concentrate . Do I want to sit calmly

1:29:12

at 55 degrees and go ? I can do 10 minutes

1:29:14

and that feels really great and I feel refreshed

1:29:16

and light and all of these wonderful things or

1:29:19

Do I want to feel a full-on

1:29:21

one-two punch ? I want to

1:29:23

feel the punch . I want to feel

1:29:25

, I want to feel the whole race at . I

1:29:28

want to feel the punch .

1:29:29

Yeah yeah .

1:29:31

If I'm gonna do this , if I'm gonna change

1:29:34

into the Bain suit , I'm gonna sit in the freezing

1:29:36

cold water . Why would I make it

1:29:38

count ?

1:29:40

Did you ever get to the model that

1:29:43

Worked the Morosco forge ? Obviously

1:29:45

you did . How long did it take

1:29:47

to get to that point ?

1:29:48

I'll let you know .

1:29:50

We um .

1:29:51

So we're always iterating . We

1:29:55

when we first started , so we sold our very

1:29:57

first unit in January of 2019 . So

1:29:59

, if that tells you so , november 2017

1:30:03

, jason and I got into the practice he did

1:30:05

a couple times before I got into it and

1:30:07

Through 2018 was

1:30:09

a lot of research and development , developing that ugly

1:30:11

prototype , understanding the market

1:30:13

and who and where the demand was sold

1:30:16

the first unit January of 2019 . So when we

1:30:18

were selling our first units , we had early

1:30:20

adopters and early adopters are

1:30:22

great because they're very forgiving . They

1:30:24

understand that you're getting them what

1:30:26

they're asking for and there are gonna

1:30:28

be some problems . And it's how do we show

1:30:31

up to save those problems ? How do we show up to correct

1:30:33

those problems ? Our customer service has always been

1:30:35

barna . We don't provide

1:30:37

. We don't offer customer satisfaction . We

1:30:39

guarantee . We

1:30:42

guarantee ecstasy . We want you to be ecstatic

1:30:45

, yeah , with your product . If you

1:30:47

don't , if you're not ecstatic within 30 days

1:30:49

, send it back . Yeah send it back . We want

1:30:51

ecstasy , not just satisfaction

1:30:54

. Satisfaction like contentment . Yeah you

1:30:56

know it's just good enough . So

1:30:58

we've continued to iterate the product

1:31:01

over the years . Also , in the beginning we didn't offer a

1:31:03

commercial product . It wasn't until some

1:31:05

people approached us that were like , hey , we've

1:31:07

got this commercial space coming up . Can you guys

1:31:09

do filtration ? Can you do this , can you do that ? And

1:31:11

we knew that we didn't want to add a bunch

1:31:13

of harsh chemicals . We didn't want to be like the other , you

1:31:16

know , like the hot tubs on the market

1:31:18

and the pools on the market that required like

1:31:20

all this chlorine and bromine and algecide

1:31:22

, de-scummers and all of that . And so now

1:31:24

we were challenged not only with building filtration

1:31:27

building filtration for a commercial facility , but

1:31:29

building commercial filtration for commercial facility

1:31:32

that did not rely on a bunch of harsh chemicals . Yeah

1:31:34

because if you are doing this practice for

1:31:36

healing , you do not want to sit in a vat of harsh

1:31:38

chemicals . Yeah . So we use micron

1:31:40

filtration , ozone disinfection and

1:31:43

because our temperatures remain at freezing temperatures

1:31:45

, like it's crystal clear , 24-7-365

1:31:48

even your commercial facility . It

1:31:51

was also important for us to be very

1:31:53

ease of use . So Jason and Tom are

1:31:55

engineers . They don't mind getting very

1:31:57

technical . I'm not . I

1:32:00

stopped doing math in like eighth grade , so don't make

1:32:02

me do anything more than I have to do when

1:32:04

it comes to like technical and instructions and information

1:32:06

. So it's plug-and-play you

1:32:08

plug it in , you fill it up , you set

1:32:10

it , you forget it . It's just there staring

1:32:13

at you the other 24 hours a day . You're not taking a nice bath

1:32:15

.

1:32:15

Do you ever have to change the water ?

1:32:19

Sometimes in the commercial facility . Definitely

1:32:22

you change the water , you change the filter

1:32:24

based on what you need , what your use is . For

1:32:26

the home use machine , like mine

1:32:29

in Austin , I've had it filled for

1:32:31

a couple of years . I've never changed the

1:32:33

filter .

1:32:33

I've never changed the water .

1:32:34

Wow , that's impressive but it's just me . I'm

1:32:36

the only one use it . I'm not getting in it with a bunch of heavy

1:32:38

oils . Yeah , I'm not getting in it after

1:32:40

a run without rinsing off first . So

1:32:43

part of it is how are you getting in it ? You don't want to

1:32:45

wear coconut oil and then get in your

1:32:47

ice bath because coconut oil soon as it gets cold

1:32:49

it's gonna coagulate , yeah . So you think of different

1:32:51

things like that . So get in to clean and

1:32:54

it'll stay clean . You can add about

1:32:56

eight pounds of epsom salts , because

1:32:59

the magnesium is just really nice . It's

1:33:01

really good for your skin , it's really good for your mood

1:33:03

, it's really good for your overall health . It absorbs

1:33:05

topically through the skin , which is also wonderful

1:33:07

, and it'll make the ice more slushy , which

1:33:09

is pretty fantastic . But

1:33:12

yeah , we now

1:33:14

are in , I think , seven

1:33:16

countries , so we ship all over the

1:33:18

world . We have the best warranty

1:33:21

in the business . We are handmade

1:33:23

in Phoenix , arizona . We are a

1:33:25

you and USA company made , manufactured

1:33:28

in the United States good for you . And

1:33:30

largely veteran owned and operated

1:33:32

. We are not a veteran owned company , but largely

1:33:34

veteran owned and operated .

1:33:36

That's not easy .

1:33:37

No .

1:33:38

Manufacturing in the US . Correct , yeah

1:33:41

, correct .

1:33:42

This is why we're not rich . We

1:33:45

, you know we're not . We're out there trying

1:33:47

to say you know , when we got into this , it

1:33:50

was , I mean , it was COVID COVID happened

1:33:52

and that's when we really blew up . You know , we're just building

1:33:54

like two to three in the backyard . Yeah every

1:33:56

couple of months , and when

1:33:58

the world shut down , people started

1:34:01

to take their health very seriously . Yeah , they did and