In this episode we talk with Jake Williams who is the Principal Consultant at Rendition Infosec and a SANS course author and instructor. We discuss some of the workarounds available to the FBI to circumvent Apple's iPhone encryption, after the announcement the FBI dropped the case against Apple attempting to force them to assist in the decryption of Syed Farouk. We also discuss the potential of backdoors being deployed as part of an auto update process and the potential of this attack vector being forced by a government agency to weaken device security and its potential impact. In addition we discuss how to frame the crypto debate to the general public and business leaders in ways they understand, using John Oliver's comical spin on the topic as an example.