In this 20-minute podcast, Mike Hudak ([email protected]) suggests that a campaign to persuade the American people to drop their support of the federal grazing program should be primarily based on aesthetics rather than on ecology or economics. Hudak draws upon writings of American naturalist John Muir along with interviews from his book Western Turf Wars: The Politics of Public Lands Ranching (http://westernturfwars.com) as examples for how to make the case for removing ranching from public lands.