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The Unyoke podcast navigating the pain,
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process and possibilities after a christian
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divorce. You some of us were just roommates with
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our ex spouses. Some of us were great co
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parents, some maybe just business and convenient
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partners. But for many of us, our marriage was
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a time of being best friends, having a true
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life partner to navigate our journey in this world,
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somebody to have your back in tough times and somebody to share
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the good times. There's a saying. Shared
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joy is double joy. Shared sorrow is half
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sorrow. No matter the level of the relationship you shared
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with your spouse, there is no doubt many of us have
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suffered real loneliness post divorce,
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crushing loneliness as we find our way to being single
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and alone. Not just in bed, not just
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in the kitchen table, not just traveling, but in
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decision making, life goals, partner
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navigation it's hard, real hard, to
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battle with loneliness. And today we're going to discuss
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all the issues surrounded being a lonely
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christian single post divorce. Let's start with the
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cold, hard realities. Being lonely can lead to some
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real dark places, and I can 100% promise
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you it can lead to some real bad decisions.
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For those of you listening to this episode, just know if
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you're thinking that just going and hanging out at church more,
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or joining a small group or God forbid, date
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Jesus, it's just not that simple. The kind of
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lonely I want to hit on first isn't just oh,
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I need some new friends or something to keep me busy. It is.
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I am alone, alone when I don't want to be,
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and it feels like all my options are all gone. Let
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me explain it this way. My dad died a few years back,
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literally right in the crux of my fighting for my
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marriage. Like my ex moved out two days
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after my dad's funeral. I never really got to mourn
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his death because I had the unfortunate crisis that
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superseded my grieving. Then a few years later,
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after a long battle with dementia, my mother passed.
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Wow. It was a double barrel grieving moment.
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I finally had time to sit in it. I
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missed my dad and I mourned his loss.
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I missed my mom and I mourned her loss.
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But something weird happened I didn't expect.
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I mourned the loss of both my parents. Frankly,
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I felt orphaned, alone in the world,
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knowing that there was no nest to fly back to
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in times of trouble. No phone call home to ask for
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advice or to tell about my day to share
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joy, to ask for answers to questions. What was the
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name of that store we used to visit on our drive to West Texas? What
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was your sister's birthday? All the abilities
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to talk about us was gone.
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Now, this hit me at the exact same time. I lost my
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wife, my best friend, and my kids were
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empty nest age and they're flying out on their own lives. My
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soul was crushed. I experienced lonely
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in a way I'm not sure I can even described. I
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was crushed to my core. Hell, I'm still in therapy about
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it all. This level of alone isn't
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fixed with a card night on Tuesdays or
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volunteering for the youth program at church. Although some
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of you listening might have filed for your divorce and you may
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have made absolutely the right decision. Maybe some of you listening,
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you're the sole responsibility for your divorce. Maybe you're
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somewhere in between. Still, that doesn't change the
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fact. Your shattering of your routines, your
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realities, the absent of your life partner
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is causing some real moments of pain. It's a
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loneliness that comes from the deep realities that everything you
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once knew is gone and it can't be
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restored. It's a mourning and a boredom that
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blends together. When the grip of loneliness takes
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hold, your mind can begin to wander down treacherous
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paths. Thoughts of a lifetime of solitude start to
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haunt you, fueled by a long list of perceived
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flaws that you constantly remind yourself of.
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You can find yourself trapped in a downward spiral
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of misery, unable to break free. I promise
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you that every person that goes through a divorce experiences gut
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wrenching loneliness. In some cases, individuals
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may even encounter this loneliness while still in their
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marriages before the decision to even divorce. Some
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choose to ignore it or immerse themselves in activities like
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dating or affairs. Seeking a distraction from the
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pain, others use this loneliness as a fuel to
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anger towards their ex spouse. Loneliness is a
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natural part of the healing process after divorce.
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Loneliness is intertwined with grief, as it involves
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bidding farewell to so much, including
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a sense of belonging, that you'll wonder if you'll ever get to
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experience again. There are lonely triggers, some that
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stay with you until they're addressed. Yard work I hear that a
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lot from women pumping gas, doing bills,
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cooking certain meals, grocery shopping,
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holidays, traveling, all the things your
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partner used to do or help with or traditions your
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family held. They're reminders, sometimes painful,
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sometimes just general reminders that you are
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on your own now. For those of you that missed the church
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episode, where's this weird catch 22? We feel
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the one place we should feel accepted and valued to
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help us with our loneliness is also the place we feel the least
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heard and valued. It's a true shame. We also
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discuss losing friends and how that extra layer of loneliness
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as people we once relied on have fallen away.
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But let's be fair. In the beginning, you may have sought
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soulless in isolation as a means of coping with the
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intense pain caused by the end of your marriage. You tried to
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find comfort in the presence of your existing friends,
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those who you knew before the divorce. It's natural to
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seek such protection after such a significant life event.
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However, you may now find yourself facing a different
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challenge. While the pain persists, you no longer feel a
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sense of belonging with those friends. Instead, you sense
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a growing distance, a feeling of being different from
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them. You know that feeling of being alone in a
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group, right? Yeah, we may all be together, but
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you guys get to go home and snuggle. You guys get to go home and
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do life together. I'm going home. Yet alone
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again. The reason for the separation is that they're
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married. You're not. Your life and circumstances have
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changed, and you no longer fit as seamlessly as you once
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did. This isn't necessarily due to any action on their
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part, just rather a consequent of your transformed
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identity after divorce. I remember once getting
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mad at being alone. I had get up and had to
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go to use a restroom in the middle of the night. I looked over at
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the empty side of the bed and I remember just flinging off
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the blanket off me and I popped right up. I was pissed
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that I was alone. I was mad that I was sleeping
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alone. I was mad that I felt forced into this situation.
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I wanted somebody to talk to. I wanted somebody. I had
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to be quiet when I went to the restroom. I wanted somebody I could
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cuddle back next to. When I got back in the bed, all that
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familiarity was gone and I didn't like it at all.
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Now, with time, you come to terms with the reality that your
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life as a suddenly single person is just
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distinct of that of a married individual. If you can't
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have that person in your life, you may yearn for someone who
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can truly comprehend the complexities of your new life. There
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are numerous individuals who deeply understand what you're going
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through. They are fellow suddenly single people. We're
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out here, we're an army. And no, I'm not suggesting diving
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into the dating scene. I'm talking about making genuine
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friendships. Dating may be the worst idea right now, so let's
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talk about that. A large percentage of you listening are
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codependent, and after divorces, we can
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experience very low self esteem and of course,
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depression and unfortunately, even PTSD.
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This codependency shares traits with these other
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closely related phenomenons. Let me prove it.
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Here are ten signs of codependency. One,
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individuals who are codependent often struggle with low self
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esteem. They constantly seek approval, crave attention,
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and a desire to be needed despite possessing
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potential skills and professional experience, or
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even talent. Two, they may exhibit controlling
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behavior, instructing others about how to behave. While they
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yearn to maintain control over themselves and others,
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they lack confidence to believe in their own abilities and rely
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on others to define them. Three, codependent
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individuals constantly seek approval, attention, and
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the sense of importance from others. Four, they go to great
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lengths to please other, even when it's not necessary.
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Five, codependent individuals tend to take care of
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everyone around them. These traits stem from the
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need to feel needed, important, and acknowledged by
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others. Six, throughout this process, codependent
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individuals become reactive to others, often neglecting their own
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well being while being proactive in helping others.
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Seven, as a result, their personal interests take a backseat and
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their relationship becomes exploitive for the codependent,
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even though they may exhibit controlling behavior and expert
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control over others. Eight, codependent individuals may
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experience strong emotions but are emotionally vulnerable.
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They rely on relationships and others to validate their self worth.
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And nine, where they may possess individual strengths and
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capabilities, they are reluctant to explore them
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independently. Their entire existence revolves around the
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presence of others. And lastly, ten, codependents
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may also develop dependencies on substances or
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exhibit personality disorders as a byproduct of their
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codependency. Until you fix these traits,
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you have no business dating. And dating will create way
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more problems than it fixes. Just like we
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tell it's just like a drug addict. He thinks his
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next hit fixes his problems, when really it's just making
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his problems way worse. Now, you can have
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friends of the opposite sex, right, if you're thinking about dating. But just don't
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think that your issues will go away when you find someone who fills
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your time and sits on a couch with you and takes you to dinner.
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We are social animals. We need friends. Hillary
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reminds me of a joke of the guy who moved into a wilderness,
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and he was there for months and months and months, and he finally looked across
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the valley, and he saw another man way in
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the distance pulling a mule, and he waved him down and hollered, and it took
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And the guy goes, oh, I didn't know anybody was out here. And the guy
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goes, yeah, you're my neighbor. I've been looking at you, waiting on you to get
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settled in. Goes, man, I'm just lonely out here. And the guy goes,
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well, why don't you come to my house tonight? We're going to have a big
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party. There's going to be all the fighting and gambling and drinking you can handle.
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The guy goes, great. What time does everybody get there? He goes, oh, it's just
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going to be me and you anytime. Five, right? It's just people
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need people in their lives, right? And sometimes they'll put up with anything
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just to be by somebody. You need friends, but who?
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I think the difference is, depending on your stage of
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life with young kids, you will do much better with people.
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Lockstep with your kids activities, lawn chairs, bleacher
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seats, tryouts, practices and games in the
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emptiness phase of life. Or for parents in a 50 50
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split, right? Some of you are great 50% of the
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time when you're with your kids and you're down lonely on
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the every other week or every other weekend. What a tough
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roller coaster ride. My heart breaks for that whole situation.
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And for those of you who have zero or low custody of your kids,
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I acknowledge your pains, too. A quiet house can be
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a painful experience. I mean, quite frankly, one
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time I said I'd never do it again. I had
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custody over my kids, and so I controlled vacations. And
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one year I just decided it would be in the kids
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best interest to spend Christmas morning with my ex
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wife and her parents. My parents had passed away and I just thought,
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how nice would it be for my kids to just wake up on a Sunday
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morning, Christmas morning, and just
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enjoy Christmas morning with family. And so
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I just, matter of fact, I sat on this couch alone.
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When I say it was the worst day of my life, I mean, it's in
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the top three. I was an indescribable lonely
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and a lonely that couldn't be fixed because what
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could I do? I couldn't even go to a movie theater or a restaurant. It
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was Christmas and it was a Sunday, I think, too. So
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everything's closed and I'm not going to reach out to
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anybody. I did have people afterwards say, oh, you should have called me. Well,
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that's nice, and I'm sure they meant it. But what am I going to do?
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Go sit at your house at Christmas and sit on the chair and watch your
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family open gifts like some of us are in real
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situations that are lonely and
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unfixable. Friends may offer
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companionship or solution, but sometimes
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people's presence isn't what fixes our pain.
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I've been asked by friends, even ex
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girlfriends, for hugs twice that I know of for
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sure. I have been asked for somebody to come over and just
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get a hug. One wanted to just cuddle and take a nap.
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It was just, they wanted the security, the
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touch, to be by somebody. They were
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so lonely. And I think women
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have a sense of security, the way they're wired and when they're
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independent and alone and in charge of their own
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security, it makes them feel so
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alone. There's a book too called the body keep
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score. Talking about stress on your life. And you can really
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see your emotions change and your body
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change when you're under stress and when you're in depression. It's
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a great book, the body keep score. Sometimes it's just great
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to have a great conversation. This is why I semi
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disagree with people who say dating is just for
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marriage. It can also be therapeutic.
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Just talking to someone, being around somebody sometimes is a
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great exercise. And in theory, the truth
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part is that maybe dating for anything other than marriage is a waste of
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time. You be alone in depression
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and just that little win of getting out and talking to the opposite
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sex and having a night out can be so therapeutic and good for the
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soul. Sorry it doesn't fit your theology of how dating works,
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but sometimes that is a very big win when
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it comes to dating. I know women who love to go out because they get
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a free meal and the guy feels like he's
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paying a fortune for all these free meals when he's trying to meet somebody. And
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the women are like, I just went out of the house. I mean, literally, it's
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a phenomenon that some women, I think they have zero grocery bills
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because they go out four or five times a week being taken to nice
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meals, and they're really not all that interested, but they're enjoying it.
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Guys, I think, pay the price for that. But there are risk and
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vulnerabilities when seeking companionship out of loneliness.
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Unfortunately, many of us fall into the trap of seeking another
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relationship to cope with our loneliness after divorce, but
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I've learned firsthand that this can have tragic
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consequences. Rushing into a new relationship
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without allowing ourselves to heal completely
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and become whole individuals again puts us at
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risk of repeating patterns with someone similar to
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our ex or somebody who may be the complete opposite.
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In most cases, this doesn't end well, and I can
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personally attest to the devastation of breaking up with
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a new partner before fully recovering from my divorce.
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It felt like a double blow. I experienced a sense of being
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a loser all over again. And even worse, some
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people resort to discussing their loneliness with their
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children after a divorce, like they might think they're being
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honest and seeking comfort, but they're also
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burdening their kids with adult concerns. I don't
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believe children should ever be put in a position of being their parent's
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friend during a divorce. The long term effects
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on the kids and the parent child relationship is
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incredibly damaging. It's crucial to find someone
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else to confide and share your struggles with.
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It's important to understand that loneliness is a natural part
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of the divorce recovery process. Instead of fighting
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against it, I encourage you to embrace it as a
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necessary step in your journey. By accepting and
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acknowledging your loneliness, you can navigate through
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it, maybe quickly, maybe not, but definitely
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effectively. If you're ready to stop
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fighting and embrace this part of the divorce
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recovery process, I'm going to have some assignments that can
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help you cope with this loneliness more effectively. Setting
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healthy boundaries and new relationships a friend of
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mine uses the phrase kitchen floor moments when you
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are in such anguish, such loneliness, such wrestling with
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God, you just lay on the kitchen floor. It's okay to lay
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on the kitchen floor. It's okay to be lonely, it's okay to
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hurt. Just to go fix it with a quick relationship
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is just not wise. So here are some valuable steps to help
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you overcome loneliness after divorce. One
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connect with loved ones improve your existing
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relationships. Reach out to family members, distant
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cousins, close friends who can provide love,
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support, and understanding. Strengthening these connections,
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which can easily waver as we get into the busy seasons of
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life, can help alleviate loneliness and provide a sense of
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belonging. Zoom dates online
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friendships may be a great first step. Zoom has changed
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how we value community. People have happy hours
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online, and you don't have to get all the way ready. Just put your hair
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in a ponytail or put on a t shirt, guys, and just get on
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Zoom. Talk to somebody. It's not that hard to get
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out of the house. You don't have to two force yourself to
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be social, exercise those muscles. Go
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sit in the back. Come late, leave early.
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I don't care if you have to drive to the door and event and turn
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around and go home. I don't care. Move,
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attempt, crawl, walk, run.
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Even if it feels challenging at first. Make efforts to
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engage in social activities. Attend gatherings, join
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clubs or groups that align with your interest.
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Participate in community events. Pushing yourself to
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interact with others opens new doors to friendships
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and possibilities. Go to the gyms. Put in your earphone if
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you have to for a while, then take it out one day. Talk to somebody.
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Baby steps. Baby steps. Sit in the
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corner with other people who don't want to be there either. Right?
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I have a friend of mine. He is so great at walking in a
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room and finding who needs something. One time we were in
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Israel, we're in Jerusalem, and there was a little lady walking by
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herself. Now, me being selfish. I was there with somebody, and
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I was talking. I probably walked right by this lady
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he saw. He was probably walking by somebody, too.
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Saw, ended up walking with this lady. Turned out she was a Holocaust
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survivor. He went through the whole Holocaust museum with her, heard her
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stories. Oh, there's my family. There's my sister. Oh, I was
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there. He had this rich experience with this lady because he was
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attentive. Well, I promise you, there are people in almost
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every room that maybe doesn't want to be there either, or had a tough
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day, or they're going through something. If you just be a little attentive,
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you might find somebody who might just be attentive back to you. Right.
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Go take a look. Not everywhere you're going. Everybody else is having fun and you're
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not. There's other people there who are struggling. Maybe just like
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you, volunteer to restore perspective and to
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keep busy, engaging in volunteer work not only benefits
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others, it also provides a sense of purpose and fulfillment.
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It can help shift your focus from
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your personal struggles, and you make a positive impact in the life of
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others. Create a sense of connection and fulfilling,
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like helping someone in need, might show you how
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blessed you really are. And four, do things you haven't done in a
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while. Rediscover your passions, your hobies, your
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interests that may have taken a backseat during your marriage or
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child rearing years. Engage in activities you can
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enjoy or used to enjoy that bring you fulfillment. A renewed
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sense of self. Paint, dance, sing,
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workout, write. Try things you like next to
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somebody, maybe in a painting class. Be alone, but in
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public. And five, get off social media. While social
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media can be a useful tool for connecting also contribute to
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feelings of loneliness and comparison. Take breaks from social media
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platforms. Focus on nurturing real life connections and
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experiences. Social media makes you lonely.
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Six establish a routine. Work on
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yourself. Create a daily routine that includes self care
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activities such as exercise, meditation, journaling,
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personal goals. Focus on self improvement and
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personal growth. Boost your confidence, your self
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esteem, and your overall well being. It helps with the woe
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is me laying in bed. Let me turn on Netflix and
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TikTok solutions that are a road to nowhere and then
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seven know the difference between feeling lonely and being alone.
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Allow yourself to feel sad, but don't dwell in misery.
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It's essential to acknowledge and process your emotions after
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divorce. Allow yourself to grieve, but also actively
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work towards healing and moving forward. Seek healthy
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outlets for your emotions such as therapy, support
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groups, or confiding in a trusted friend, and
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seek professional help. Don't hesitate to seek the guidance of
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a therapist or a counselor or divorce coach who
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specializes in post divorce support. They can provide you with
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valuable tools, coping strategies, and a safe place
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to explore your feelings, ultimately helping you overcome
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loneliness and finding a path to healing. Remember, healing takes
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time and everyone's journey is unique. Be patient with
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yourself. Practice self compassion, and know that
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with support and self care, you can rebuild a fulfilling and
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meaningful life beyond your unyoking. I'm not sure of the balance
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between isolation and loneliness,
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but I'm a big believer in the phrase, you can't run a marathon, then take
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a nap. The self care Valley can lead to isolation, even
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depression, if you let it. If you want more information about
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Thank you for listening to the Unyoked podcast with me, Todd
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Turner. This was originally planned to be a limited 17
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episode podcast, navigating the major milestones after the
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divorce. Well, the feedback and needs were too great, and now
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I'm going to dive deeper into each episode. But with a
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female cohost, we are excited to help further the conversations
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into divorce recovery and gaining healthy single
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legs as a Christian. But would you do us a favor as we
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prepare our topics and episodes? Please go to
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Then after that, please rate and review this podcast.
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subscribe, share all of it. But let's start with
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go to toddturner.com contact and let me hear from
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