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D Wayne Fugate was a 48

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had recently lost his wife and

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was a military veteran on February

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29th David's

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brother went over to David's house Expecting

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to find him there David

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wasn't home He

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was never seen again

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There is one thing you should learn about Disappearances

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any amount of time It's

1:00

any person can go missing anywhere

1:02

at any time No

1:05

one is immune No

1:07

location is immune. No

1:10

day is immune Would

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you like some examples? I

1:15

knew that you would Dominique

1:18

Holly Grisham went missing just

1:20

an hour before his own

1:22

birthday party Jason

1:25

Jolkowski famously or infamously

1:28

Went missing during a half-mile

1:30

walk in broad daylight in

1:32

a nice neighborhood in Nebraska

1:36

Trevelyn Evans went missing from

1:38

a little town in Wales

1:40

where no violence occurs Milna

1:43

McQuillan went missing in her car when

1:45

she was just a mile from her

1:48

destination and How

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about all the people who called for

1:52

rides or help? Then

1:55

weren't there when people showed up Shane

1:58

fell Deborah Bowman,

2:01

Kevin Newan, Jesse

2:03

Farber, Molly Miller,

2:05

and Colt Haynes, and

2:08

there could be a few more in that

2:10

category. Well with

2:12

David Fugate, we have another scenario

2:14

that to the public seems impossible,

2:18

yet it happened. Could

2:21

anybody have ever predicted we would

2:23

ever combine a funeral

2:26

and a disappearance? And

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now a summary of the case. This is

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brought to you by my friend Megan Linares'

2:34

website, charlieproject.org.

2:40

David Fugate had a biological brother,

2:43

but his parents ended up adopting

2:45

six, yes six

2:47

siblings for them. With

2:50

a range of oldest to youngest being 30

2:52

years. David

2:55

went to the military and was

2:57

in and out of it for 12 years. What

3:01

finally caused his final exit was

3:04

David had been diagnosed with

3:06

paranoid schizophrenia and

3:08

PTSD, but there

3:11

had been causes and signs of

3:13

both before David ever

3:15

joined. For example, he

3:18

had a girl in high school die in

3:20

his arms after she had

3:22

a seizure while swimming. Still,

3:25

David had been married a couple of times

3:27

and had a son. Sadly,

3:30

his current wife Julie died

3:32

two days before

3:35

David's disappearance. So

3:38

on February 29th, 2020,

3:41

preparations for Julie's funeral were

3:43

underway with David's mother helping

3:46

him. She called him

3:48

at 7 a.m. to make plans for

3:50

that day. David sounded

3:53

himself and the belief was

3:55

he was at home. However,

3:57

when David's brother Darryl showed up at

3:59

the house. at approximately 10 a.m.

4:02

David wasn't there despite his

4:04

wife's car which David had

4:06

been driving being in the

4:08

garage. David's wedding

4:10

ring was on a bedroom dresser and his

4:13

phone was on the arm

4:15

of a chair on the back porch. He

4:19

was never seen again. Later

4:21

the next door neighbor would

4:23

say that not long before Daryl got

4:25

there this neighbor had to go

4:28

over and turn the volume down

4:30

on the radio on David's porch. It

4:33

was that loud. He did

4:35

not see David. In

4:37

addition, Daryl determined that many

4:39

of David's clothes were

4:42

missing. All of us

4:44

have had deaths in our families. The

4:47

experience is traumatic, the

4:50

worst. Yet my

4:52

perception is very few people end

4:54

up disappearing due to the emotions

4:57

of losing a partner. Contemplate

5:00

why this is while

5:02

also trying to answer these three

5:04

questions during the interview.

5:09

Number one, when people with

5:11

mental health issues run off they

5:14

don't usually take their clothes do

5:17

they? Number two, if

5:20

David left on foot why

5:22

didn't a security camera on that

5:25

street capture him?

5:28

And number three, does

5:31

this disappearance start and end

5:34

with a disagreement over David's

5:37

truck? David's

5:39

family isn't sure what to think

5:41

about what happened that day. The

5:45

guest for this episode is David's

5:47

brother, Daryl Fugate.

5:52

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the Brother. of David

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Fugate, Daryl Fugate. Daryl,

7:32

welcome to Unfound. Thank

7:35

you. I appreciate it. You're

7:37

very welcome. Let's just start

7:39

here. Just give, of course,

7:41

being that you are David's brother, just

7:43

give an overall view of your

7:47

family, the Fugates, growing up all

7:49

together, how many kids are there,

7:51

etc. Why don't we start there? Just,

7:54

what do everyone want to say? Well,

7:57

my mom and dad raised me in

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my, the brother. they're missing I

8:02

mean more biological but then

8:06

my mom and dad adopted six

8:08

other kids throughout the years like

8:11

30 years. Oh my goodness. They

8:13

were parents at the beginning and

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they raised all of

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us pretty much the same and you

8:22

know we all grew up and everyone's

8:24

out of this house now and

8:26

on their own. Wow adopted

8:29

six. Yes.

8:31

They must be very giving people their

8:34

own. Yes very very giving.

8:36

My mom she passed away

8:38

last year June of last

8:40

year and we really missed

8:43

her a lot and she

8:45

um every day or not

8:48

every day but every week she would ask me

8:50

if I knew anything about David anything's

8:53

been hurt or anything

8:55

and I said no mom

8:58

nothing's been said. These

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six kids what are the ages

9:04

are you and you and David would be

9:06

the oldest these all these kids were younger

9:08

than you two? Yes

9:11

I'm the oldest I'm 25.

9:13

My brother that's missing David is

9:16

53 and all the other kids

9:18

are like

9:22

span between I'm

9:24

thinking around 45

9:26

to 22. Wow

9:30

that is amazing and you do you all

9:32

like keep in contact with each other and

9:34

I mean I just got a I was

9:36

adopted so maybe it's more fascinating to me

9:38

than most people. You

9:41

keep all in contact with each other

9:43

and everything. Yes

9:46

I actually rented my one brother

9:48

right next to me I rented

9:51

him the youngest one mm-hmm and

9:53

I read to him and we talked every now and

9:56

then and then I got a brother who lives in

9:58

Texas got a brother who lives in California. got

10:01

a brother lives in West

10:03

Virginia and girls

10:06

live here once

10:08

in Troy and once

10:10

in Kenra. Wow

10:13

that is amazing man

10:16

that is amazing Darrow and everybody should know

10:18

I'm just hearing about this now I'm not

10:21

faking my amazement this is something I know

10:23

you in our prior conversation

10:26

Darrow talked about having some other

10:28

siblings besides David but I didn't know there were six of

10:30

them and they were all I

10:32

guess adopted so that

10:35

is really amazing good for you good

10:37

for your parents fantastic story and very

10:39

interesting okay let's talk about

10:42

let's move of course the reason we're here

10:44

unfortunately because the David is missing let's just

10:46

talk a little bit about David talk about

10:48

maybe growing up within of course got all

10:50

these other kids too but you

10:53

know what was David into personality

10:55

interest you know what

10:57

he was into sports and the music

11:00

what was David's interest in personality oh

11:04

he was a he was he

11:07

loved his four truck he

11:10

loved his four truck he

11:12

had a F-150

11:14

yeah I think four truck

11:17

and he loved it he

11:19

leased it and stuff and

11:21

he also loved football

11:25

was it Indiana

11:28

Colts he loved

11:30

it yeah yeah it

11:32

was in Indianapolis Colts and

11:37

pretty much uh he'd

11:39

like to watch football love

11:41

to watch NASCAR races mm-hmm

11:44

and I'm not we was on NASCAR

11:46

but I know he'd like to watch

11:48

a lot of him and his wife

11:50

okay yeah what about it what about

11:52

growing up with that maybe going being that you're

11:54

just two years older than going back to high

11:57

school or whatever what do you remember back then

12:01

Well, I remember he

12:03

was great under me. We

12:06

both graduated from this. He

12:11

graduated, we both graduated from JVS.

12:13

It's like a, I graduated like

12:15

machine trades and he graduated

12:17

from electronics.

12:22

And we both graduated from JVS. We

12:25

wanted to make a career out of it. He never

12:27

made a career out of that and I never made

12:29

a career out of my machine

12:31

trades. But I

12:34

became a truck driver and then he

12:36

went into the Army for, you

12:39

know, four years and then he

12:41

got out, wanted to make

12:43

the career out of something, but he ended up

12:45

going back in like two other times. So

12:48

he had years, 12 years

12:50

in the Army as a

12:52

communications. I

12:55

think he got out as a E6, or E5.

13:00

Okay. All right,

13:02

so he went into the Army kind

13:04

of late teens, early twenties, like most

13:06

people do like in that time. Yeah.

13:09

Okay. Do you remember maybe just as

13:12

an example, do you remember where he was stationed?

13:14

Did he stay mostly in the United States or

13:16

did, was he overseas? What

13:18

did he do? Do you remember? He

13:20

started out in Texas and

13:23

he spent a little bit of time in Texas. Then he

13:25

went to Germany. Then he went

13:27

to, I believe it's North Korea.

13:29

I don't know what sites, I

13:32

know he was there for a while, like two or three

13:34

years in Korea. In

13:36

South Korea. Surely not in North, surely not in

13:38

North Korea. I don't know if

13:40

any Americans are allowed there these days, but

13:43

maybe in South Korea? Yes. Okay.

13:47

All right, coincidentally, my dad was stationed

13:49

there way back in the 1950s. Okay.

13:53

Would you say that surprised you, maybe him

13:55

going into the military or not? I

14:00

was in the Army National Guard

14:03

and he seen me in my uniform

14:05

and that did it for him. He wanted to be in

14:07

the military. I mean,

14:09

I went to Georgia for Benning

14:12

and then he ended up going to Texas for his

14:14

basic training. But yeah, soon as

14:16

he seen me graduate and how billed

14:19

I was and how stout I was, it

14:21

was like that did it for him. He

14:23

wanted to look that great. That's

14:25

what he wanted to do. Yeah.

14:28

Okay. That's interesting. Okay. And

14:33

as far as relationships, you of course

14:35

already talked about that

14:38

he was married and we're going to

14:40

get into the death

14:42

of his wife, which happened right around the time that

14:44

he went missing. But do you remember how they met?

14:48

You know, was it they grew up together? Did he

14:50

run into her while he was stationed somewhere in the

14:52

Army? What do you know about that? How did they

14:54

meet? Actually,

14:56

we grew up with her

14:59

and her brother, Jason,

15:03

and we grew up

15:05

with them. They live probably

15:07

about a block away from us throughout

15:10

the childhood. Now

15:14

Dave really wasn't interested in her

15:16

back then. He

15:19

went to two marriages. And

15:24

then they end up after he

15:26

was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia and

15:28

PTSD in the military and he got

15:30

out, they got together

15:32

and then got married. And I don't

15:34

think he was married a good 12 years

15:37

or so. Okay. Before she

15:39

died and he disappeared? Yes.

15:42

Okay. Do you even have

15:44

any kids? Yes. He

15:47

has a son in Georgia.

15:50

He does. Bradley.

15:54

And he had a stepson.

15:59

Oh shoot. I can't remember his name.

16:02

He... That's

16:04

fine. Was

16:06

he close? I'll just ask you, was he...

16:08

You know, that's fine. Was he close with

16:10

him? Or did they keep in contact? Or

16:12

anything like that? Do you know? Bradley

16:17

moved to Georgia so... His mom took

16:19

him to Georgia so they wasn't very,

16:21

very close. Even

16:23

after he grew up. He

16:25

did move back for a little bit, but then he

16:27

moved right back to Georgia. He

16:30

stayed with Dave and Julie for a little bit,

16:33

but then he missed Georgia so he moved back.

16:35

Okay. And... Alright.

16:41

And how old would you say these kids are

16:43

roughly? Once again, if you didn't... He wasn't around

16:45

them too much maybe. You haven't been around them

16:47

too much either, but just roughly, how old do

16:49

you think these kids are? Maybe

16:52

into their 30s now? Something like that?

16:55

Yeah, Dave had him 17. Wow.

17:00

So he would be, what, 45?

17:05

About 35 now. Man, he

17:07

had him young, Darrell. 17

17:09

years old. Yeah.

17:12

And he had a... Now,

17:15

the other kid that was Julie's,

17:17

you know, was Julie's biological

17:19

kid. His

17:22

dad was out of the picture for the

17:24

longest time and never did get back in

17:27

the picture. And then he... Dave kind of...

17:29

Not really adopting paperwork

17:32

or anything, but he was his dad

17:34

and he treated him just like he

17:36

was any other kid that he would

17:38

ever have. And it really

17:40

destroyed him when he got killed in

17:42

a car accident when he was 16,

17:44

out on 48. He

17:47

accidentally... You know, being young, he

17:49

wasn't paying attention, pulled out on

17:51

somebody, and it killed him instantly.

17:55

So that kind

17:57

of hurt Dave too, and Julie. Of

18:00

course, of course. They were

18:02

all big ink at the time and had to

18:04

rush back. Totally destroyed

18:06

both of them. I'm sure. Yeah,

18:09

a lot of kids. Dangerous

18:13

roads out there for everybody, but it

18:15

does mean for younger people, it's just

18:18

a little more dangerous.

18:21

How about you and he as adults?

18:25

How much were you seeing him? How much, did

18:27

you live close to him? I

18:29

know that you're a truck driver. I don't know how long you've

18:32

been doing that, but did you have a lot of

18:36

times to interact with him over

18:38

the years, just to say like in the 2000s? Did

18:41

you see a lot of each other? Yes,

18:44

well, being a truck driver and

18:46

then I'd call him up every

18:48

now and then, wanna hang out

18:51

or we could have supper together

18:53

or go out to have a drink or

18:55

something. We did that every now and then.

18:59

But yeah, most of

19:01

the time, he pretty

19:03

much stayed to himself a little bit, but

19:05

then he didn't wanna get out and hang

19:07

out with me and stuff. We would go

19:10

up to Eagles and hang out with Julie's

19:12

mom and dad. Me

19:16

and Julie, me and him would also hang out at

19:19

different places and stuff. How

19:24

often, just to give the

19:26

listeners an idea, how

19:28

often would you say that you were seeing him

19:30

maybe in the preceding five years before he went

19:32

missing? How often would you see him once a

19:34

week, once a month? How often do you think?

19:38

Well, at the end there,

19:40

when Julie was in the hospital

19:42

and everything, I was saving him

19:44

every single day because I

19:46

moved in to help him out with rent because

19:49

he had medical bills that he had

19:51

to pay for and stuff on her. And

19:53

so I moved, it was about,

19:56

I moved in probably three weeks prior. So

19:59

in that three. weeks we see her every

20:01

day but before that we've

20:03

seized her once a week. Okay.

20:06

Pretty much. All right. Very good.

20:08

So move on to this. You've kind of already mentioned

20:11

it. We have to talk about it

20:14

and that is David's mental

20:16

health. It

20:19

sounds to me the impression that I've

20:21

gotten is that you know

20:24

this is something that he had struggled with for

20:26

a long time and do you remember the first

20:28

time you maybe thought or maybe even David even

20:30

told you you know I'm having some mental

20:33

health issues and you know what do you

20:35

remember about that first time? Well

20:39

the very first time I remember

20:41

him having some issues and we

20:43

didn't really pinpoint it at that

20:45

time but he

20:48

stopped in my

20:51

place and I looked outside and said

20:53

where's your car at? And he

20:55

said oh it ran out of gas up

20:57

a joy land. Joy land is no longer

21:00

there anymore but it's

21:02

the restaurant and he said he came

21:04

in and he said yeah I ran

21:06

out of gas up there. Hey could

21:08

you run me up to

21:11

get some gas? And

21:14

then I said sure

21:16

let me let me get dressed and stuff so

21:19

when I came back out I

21:21

took him up

21:24

there. I was getting ready to

21:26

take him to gas station and she said oh well

21:28

why do we need gas? I said because

21:30

you told me you need

21:32

a gas for your your car it ran out

21:35

of gas and then

21:37

he kind of blew it off and he said no just

21:39

drop me off of my car and I'll get it I'm

21:41

good and so I

21:43

dropped him off of his car and

21:46

I was just sitting there talking

21:48

to him for a little bit in his car and

21:51

said what happened to your your

21:53

your dash or not your dash but

21:55

your console and it had

21:57

a big hole big hole out of it. And

22:02

he said, oh, I was trying

22:04

to get something that I couldn't get to. So I

22:06

cut it open and

22:08

I thought that was really weird. I

22:11

cut your console like that with a

22:13

big hole in it. Yeah. And

22:16

with little things like that, that

22:18

started coming up, that, you

22:20

know, he, he was very paranoid. He

22:22

actually got fired from a place, because

22:25

he thought they was dousing with gasoline to try

22:28

and save him on fire. Um,

22:30

different things like that, you know. Yeah.

22:35

Maybe I should ask you, when did this first,

22:37

this first incident, when he said he needed a

22:39

gas, but I guess he really didn't, uh, how

22:41

long ago was that? I mean, was that like

22:43

in like 2000 or how

22:45

long back ago, just roughly

22:47

a year, 1990s, uh,

22:51

what, what does the time

22:53

strike you? Yeah. So,

22:56

uh, he got out, uh, a total about

22:58

13, 14 years, 12, 12 years in,

23:00

but you

23:04

know, off and on, so he

23:06

went in and his 20. So it'd be when

23:09

he was in the, so it'd be about, I'm

23:11

thinking 20 years ago. All right. 20 years

23:13

ago, early 2000s. Let's, we're just going

23:15

to pick out a year just roughly to put this in

23:18

a time and roughly allowed 2004 then roughly. Yeah.

23:23

We very well could be earlier, a little later, but

23:25

we'll just, just to give everybody an

23:27

idea how long this had been going on. Um,

23:30

did David ever get it? He did it

23:32

at some point. Did David realize something was

23:35

going on and got help or

23:37

was this something, you know, of course we know a

23:39

lot of people who have mental health issues don't

23:42

think that you have any problems. What

23:44

was David's situation? Okay.

23:47

So he, he got out of the military. That

23:49

was right. Right after he got out

23:51

of the military. So he came home

23:53

and was living with my mom and then, you

23:55

know, he would come out and hang out with

23:57

me and stuff, but this was with him. year

24:00

after he got out while mom realized something

24:02

was wrong and he told her that they

24:04

kicked him out for uh, uh,

24:07

accusing the sergeant or

24:10

something or well, anyway, she

24:12

went in and

24:14

started checking into it, doing his little

24:16

investigation and stuff and come to

24:18

find out that they kicked him out because

24:20

he tried to deck a sergeant. Well,

24:24

they did a diagnosis on him

24:27

right before he got out and

24:29

they posted that he was paranoid,

24:31

schizophrenic in the thing. So when

24:33

the military let him go, they

24:36

didn't, they just kicked him out and thought

24:38

that, you know, it's not our problem. So

24:41

anyways, mom did an investigation and then

24:43

end up fighting for

24:45

him to get his, uh, disability,

24:48

you know, military disability because, you

24:50

know, it wasn't right that they kicked him out. So

24:53

she, uh, she fought for him and he ended

24:55

up getting 100% disability and 100%

24:58

uh, social security

25:01

disability too. So

25:03

that's what he was living on

25:05

throughout the years, since 20 years

25:07

ago. So

25:11

was he taking Medicaid? You did say

25:13

PTSD, so did something happen to him?

25:15

I mean, we know of course that,

25:18

uh, mental health, uh, can be very

25:20

genetic, but PTSD of course is

25:22

usually brought on some by some sort of

25:25

trauma that somebody experienced. Is it

25:27

like that or, or, or what?

25:30

I know you're not a medical professional, but the best you

25:32

can tell. Uh,

25:36

well, to be honest,

25:38

I don't know what would brought

25:40

the PTSD on. Um,

25:43

we know that he had any,

25:45

uh, oh, well there was something

25:47

that happened when he was a

25:49

kid as a teenager. A

25:52

girl died in his arms.

25:54

So that could have been part of

25:56

it, but it didn't show up until after he

25:58

was way in the military. So I

26:01

don't know if that would, you know,

26:03

that many years later would have

26:05

done that. Yeah, it really, he

26:08

talked about that a little bit about

26:11

he, it really hurt him because it

26:13

was one of his best friends. It was a girl

26:15

that he was kind of seeing and

26:18

stuff. So how did, what, what

26:20

I got to ask if you're, what happened to

26:22

her? Did she die of a disease or did

26:24

she, what happened to her? She,

26:28

they was over there swimming at

26:30

one of his friend's house. And

26:33

she, she had a

26:35

seizure underneath the water and

26:38

drowned. And so

26:40

that really bad, you

26:43

know, it was, it was girl, I knew the

26:45

girl he knew, you know, it

26:47

was really a

26:50

bad situation. You know, he didn't,

26:53

you know, it was just something that happened

26:55

that he ended up pulling her out and

26:57

she died in his arms. Wow.

27:02

Once again, this is something that Darryl

27:04

and I had not talked about before. Of course,

27:06

as it can be, that could have been very

27:08

traumatic. Of course. Okay. And sometimes

27:10

those things do take a while maybe

27:13

to set in. So maybe that

27:15

what you're saying here, you know, just maybe didn't

27:17

affect them right at the time is certainly something

27:20

that I'm open to. All right.

27:22

So going back to the

27:25

paranoid schizophrenia, so he was diagnosed

27:27

with that. Did, did

27:30

David acknowledge this? Did he accept

27:33

that he had it? Did he have to take medication

27:35

for it? Do you realize that, you know, this is

27:37

something I'm going to have to manage for the rest

27:39

of my life? How do you think he looked

27:42

at that diagnosis? Well,

27:45

he, he knew that there

27:48

was something wrong, but

27:50

he also kind

27:52

of felt like that he didn't really need

27:54

the medication, but then he

27:56

would, he would get a shot

27:58

every once a month. or every two

28:00

months from the military, you know, the Veterans

28:03

Administration in Dayton, Ohio, he

28:05

would go down there and get

28:07

the shot every month. Now, before he

28:09

would get the shot, he would be

28:11

kind of jittery, like the

28:14

medication was wearing off. So

28:17

he would go down there and get the shot,

28:19

you know, and talk to the counselor and

28:21

stuff like that, you know, to

28:23

see if he needed his doses up, you

28:26

know, up or lower or anything like

28:28

that. So he was

28:30

getting, he did get the,

28:32

you know, the shots from the VA and

28:35

was on both patients. Okay.

28:39

Anybody that would, if he was on

28:41

his medication and if anybody, a stranger

28:43

were to meet him, would they know

28:45

that something was going on? Or

28:47

did he, or did he seem like a

28:49

person who had no mental health

28:51

issues like that? He

28:54

acted like a person who didn't have no

28:56

mental health issues. Okay. Very

28:59

good. Now you did say

29:01

he was getting some benefits from

29:03

the military and for disability and

29:05

everything. So because of this, was

29:07

he not able to work or

29:09

what was he doing for employment,

29:12

like within the last 10 years before he went missing?

29:14

What was he doing? He

29:18

was, he didn't work,

29:20

but the VA was telling him

29:23

about, you know, you can volunteer,

29:25

you know, you

29:27

can go, he volunteered a little bit, but he

29:29

didn't volunteer a lot, you know, as

29:33

far as being a

29:35

disabled vet, you know,

29:37

they, they encouraged disabled

29:39

vets to give

29:41

their time to the VA

29:44

or any other organization. Sure.

29:46

Yeah. Right. And how do you, how

29:48

do you think his wife was his wife, like

29:51

keeping up on him saying, Hey, you know,

29:53

David, you got to get your shots and everything.

29:55

Let me see. Was she keeping up with that

29:57

with him, making sure he was following the protocol?

30:02

Yes she was. She was making sure and he

30:04

was also on pills too. I forgot about that.

30:07

He was on pills they took to

30:10

keep it kind of leveled out and

30:12

he would get to the VA. So I

30:15

don't know how many medications he was

30:17

on as far as taking the pills

30:19

every day, but yeah she would make sure

30:21

that she would lay his pills out and

30:23

he would take them every day. Alright, maybe

30:25

I should ask, did she have a

30:28

job? Was she working? No

30:30

she wasn't. She did have a job

30:33

probably three years before that, before

30:35

she passed. Yeah. But it was

30:37

up at the Eagles and she

30:39

was like a cook that helped

30:41

out and stuff and she she

30:44

ended up giving it up because she had

30:46

a weight

30:48

loss thing that she went through

30:51

and she had lost

30:53

a lot of weight. You know, it was

30:55

getting to her before she got the weight

30:57

loss thing done to her and

31:00

it was getting too old to stay in for that amount

31:03

of time because she was a pretty

31:05

big lady. Okay, alright

31:08

so she had her own health issues. Of course we know

31:10

that we're going to get into her death here

31:12

in a moment, but so she

31:15

was having her own health issues. Of

31:17

course David's having his,

31:19

you know, of course as long as he stayed

31:21

on his medication he was fine, but she was

31:23

struggling with some things as well. Yes.

31:28

Maybe going back to David's mental health just

31:31

for one more moment. You did

31:33

tell me this story about at some point he

31:36

went to Nashville and like out of

31:38

nowhere, you know, what exactly happened and

31:40

what do you remember about this story?

31:42

My understanding is this was like maybe

31:45

20 years before he went missing or maybe more,

31:47

but he went to Nashville said he wanted to

31:49

be in country music but then he called your

31:51

father to come pick him up. What was that

31:53

story? It

31:57

was before he got diagnosed. It

31:59

was It was in between, I believe it

32:01

was in between when he got out of

32:03

military, but then he went back in eventually.

32:06

I'm not sure how in between that. So it was good

32:09

25, 30 years ago. Yeah.

32:15

Anyways, he went to,

32:18

you know, that was before he was on

32:20

medication and before anything. He just thought he

32:22

wanted to be a country music singer. He

32:25

thought he'd head down Nashville, didn't have no

32:27

money, uh, pretty much

32:29

called mom and dad up. Uh,

32:32

he didn't have no money to get home. They

32:34

went down and got him somehow. I'm not

32:36

sure if he went there in a bus

32:39

or how he got to there. I'm pretty

32:41

sure he probably went on a bus. He

32:43

just, you know, paid for the

32:45

ticket and then he got

32:47

down there and realized that he was stuck,

32:50

you know, so they, uh, it eventually went

32:52

down and got him and brought

32:55

him back to Ohio. Okay.

32:58

And he said, he did say he wanted to go

33:00

to Nashville to be a country music star or something. Did he say

33:02

he really said that? Yes.

33:04

He really said. All right.

33:07

I gotta ask, did he have any music background?

33:11

Uh, yes, he did. Yeah. Okay. Um,

33:15

uh, he had a, uh, actual, we call

33:17

that tutor or someone that with helping

33:20

with his notes and stuff when he

33:22

was in church, he's good. We used

33:24

to get church a lot. Uh, we're

33:26

our whole family's Pentecostal, uh, through my

33:28

mom and, uh, we,

33:31

he would, he was seeing view all the

33:33

way into different, uh, songs. And

33:36

he sounded really good. Um, you

33:38

know, when he

33:40

was around teenager years and

33:42

stuff, and, uh,

33:44

he really liked singing, but,

33:47

um, you know, it

33:49

was just one of the things that

33:51

he, he loved to do. Uh,

33:54

you know, me, I couldn't get

33:56

up in front of everybody at church or

33:58

nothing like that, but he. He

34:00

loved being up there and

34:04

singing and doing different stuff.

34:06

We were both in the choir.

34:08

No, I was in the choir

34:10

too. I didn't mind getting in

34:12

front of everybody when there were

34:15

people around that I was singing

34:17

with. He liked singing by

34:19

himself up there or

34:22

with the choir in church.

34:27

Maybe it's not totally crazy if he's

34:29

into music and went down there, but somehow he

34:31

gets down there and then has to get picked

34:33

up. Let's

34:36

move on to this. One more thing. We're just going

34:39

to talk about this guy in

34:41

general. We're not going to say his last

34:43

name. Who is Joe? He's going to come

34:45

up here a little later. How

34:48

did Joe and David know each

34:50

other? They

34:53

knew each other from high school. Back

34:59

then, Dave and

35:01

him were pretty much in the

35:03

marijuana a lot in school and

35:05

at the school. They grew up together.

35:09

I don't know the

35:11

protectors. I've never

35:13

done marijuana. Dave

35:20

and Joe and a lot of

35:22

other kids were into that in

35:24

high school. I

35:26

don't know if that would have anything to do with

35:29

mental health. But

35:32

he knew Joe. They

35:34

went to high school together and they were friends all those

35:36

years. He

35:40

lived close to where David and his

35:42

wife ended up living? Yes,

35:46

within a couple of miles from

35:48

each other. What's going

35:50

to come up later is

35:52

Joe had David's truck. Do

35:54

you know the circumstances under

35:57

which Joe was driving David's truck?

36:00

That would the reason was did. Did

36:02

you. Know anything about that. It Does

36:04

David ever tell you why Joe has. His. Truck.

36:09

Truck was down our know

36:11

what happened to this struck

36:14

but he never got. Another

36:16

truck or gotten their vehicles and

36:19

then day bomb. Ah,

36:21

They close to him. But. He

36:23

had it for so long that he

36:25

went to him and said I'm on

36:27

my truck back I'd gone to solve

36:29

them. As. He had ridiculous

36:31

as those conversations on his phone

36:34

where Joe got mad at him

36:36

about. Ah, because day one,

36:38

the struck back. And

36:40

he was dry. Davis drive and Julie's

36:42

car. You know, and

36:44

stuff. And so he was on

36:47

the trot. Was

36:49

when we finally. Got.

36:52

Back from Joe after they disappeared

36:54

as it was just traps it

36:57

was. Ah, there was a lot

36:59

of them. Ah, I. Mean it was as.

37:01

Messy. As. Are

37:04

They would never never had his

37:06

truck like that. You. Know and

37:08

that was part of the to this that

37:10

they was mad because he is press his

37:13

truck inside the now. And. We'll

37:15

muddle work. He was

37:17

murdered with the he did stealthy said

37:20

than done. Yes I can borrow someone's

37:22

vehicle and and tear up like. A

37:25

reduction in an hour set. Up

37:28

my been get another vehicle and he

37:31

has a truck back to burn Joe

37:33

when that way seems like he's expected.

37:35

Daves do what he wanted. Me. No

37:39

time. Like over overbearing, over and.

37:42

You. Can. I

37:45

say that so Joe had. Days.

37:48

Tracking with again that's going to

37:50

become. Relevant. Ah

37:52

a lonely. Nights. In

37:54

that situation, That. dave

37:56

and his wife and living together sees

37:59

also having some He's having some

38:01

struggling with some mental issues, although as long

38:03

as he's on his medication, he's fine. But

38:05

she's having some physical health issues and

38:10

lost some weight. Maybe that was

38:12

bad for her. And

38:15

so they're living there though in

38:17

Covington, Ohio. And

38:20

I guess some of your family lived in

38:22

the area as well, including you, Darrell? Yes. Yes,

38:26

my mom and dad lived in Pleasant

38:28

Hill. And

38:31

then I lived with

38:33

my brother. I moved in two weeks. I had

38:35

lived with mom and dad, and then Dave asked

38:37

me if I would be willing to help him. And

38:39

I said, sure, I have no problem with that. So

38:42

I moved in probably two or three

38:44

weeks prior to Dolly Masson. And

38:49

then I think

38:51

that's about it. Regarding

38:54

her death, and we

38:56

have to remember that the accepted disappearance

38:58

date coincidentally is February 29th, so the

39:01

release day of 2020. But

39:04

she died just a couple of days before that.

39:06

So like the 26th or 27th, something like that.

39:10

Yes, she did. Okay. On

39:13

a Thursday. Excuse me? Thursday.

39:15

It was a Thursday. On a Thursday,

39:17

yes. Okay. So was something

39:19

that was sudden? I

39:21

mean, it sounds like she had some health issues. Was

39:23

this something that was terminal? Or

39:26

was everybody expecting her to live for another

39:28

20 years and it was sudden?

39:30

Or was it something that was expected?

39:34

She had some terminal disease. Once again, I

39:36

don't want to get too deep into it. But

39:38

I just want to give an idea of what

39:41

everybody's attitude was toward her death or

39:43

before she died. Yeah. Yeah,

39:46

she, you know, obviously

39:48

she had some health issues, sugar

39:50

diabetes and different stuff. But

39:55

when she had the weight loss surgery

39:57

and then she had lost all that

39:59

weight. She went in for to

40:02

clip her underneath her arms because

40:04

she had a lot of skin hanging

40:07

Watch the surgery and Got

40:10

an infection in it and that's

40:12

what started all her health issues

40:16

it seemed like it really got

40:18

infected and then She

40:21

went into hospital And

40:23

then I believe ever

40:26

my whole family believes that it was a start

40:29

of the COVID At that time

40:31

because she kept saying she couldn't she

40:33

couldn't taste her food She

40:36

was she didn't feel like eating Just

40:39

different all they put her on ventilator Because

40:42

she was having breathing issues a

40:44

lot of other things too that came out

40:47

of the code with later on so

40:50

and then They did

40:52

Transporter to like two or three different hospitals

40:55

to try to figure out What

40:57

was going on? Maybe another hospital me.

40:59

Maybe they could figure it out and

41:02

then they transported her into a What

41:07

do you call it Not

41:11

a hospital but Old

41:14

folks home or a hospital Not

41:19

very hospice, but a Elderly

41:23

not elderly what I'm gonna try to think

41:25

the Some

41:28

sort of home where they thought that she

41:30

was going to recover or not Yeah,

41:34

they was trying to Make

41:37

you know make it comfortable and

41:39

everything and then maybe they you

41:41

know A long-term facility where they

41:43

could keep more of an eye

41:45

on her and stuff or or

41:47

something like that. Okay And

41:51

but then she died Yes,

41:54

okay Of course

41:57

I had I know this is very obvious question, but I have

41:59

to ask it any Anyway, how did

42:01

that affect David? He

42:05

was really, really

42:07

depressed and really quiet about, the

42:11

night before he disappeared,

42:15

I just tapped him on his knee and

42:18

said, it'll be all right, buddy, we'll get

42:20

through this. And he was really

42:22

quiet, he never responded, never really. And

42:24

then he said he was gonna go, Joe's gonna spend the night

42:27

and that's the last time I

42:29

spoke to him, is because he was

42:32

really quiet and everything that night. All

42:34

right, so just so we understand the

42:37

setup, so she's in this home of

42:39

some type, but

42:41

you're living with him at his

42:44

place, you're with him, you know, maybe you moved

42:46

in maybe to help out or something, but you

42:48

were actually under the roof, the same roof as

42:50

he was, like the

42:52

day before his disappearance. Yes.

42:55

Okay. Yes. And

42:57

then he decided just out of nowhere, that

42:59

he was gonna go over to Joe's. Yes.

43:03

All right, did that surprise you? No,

43:08

he would go over and out

43:10

and in and spend the night and

43:14

stuff, didn't really surprise

43:16

me a lot at all, because he always

43:19

spent a lot of time with Joe for some reason. Okay,

43:23

so he's there with you, no, you know, so we

43:26

have to think of it this way, he's

43:28

there with you, you're his brother,

43:30

but then in this time, and of course the

43:32

funeral hasn't even happened yet, he wants to go

43:34

over and hang out with Joe. Yes.

43:38

Okay. Where Joe, did

43:40

Joe know David's wife very well?

43:45

Yeah, he

43:48

knew her well, but she did, obviously

43:50

she did not like him, and

43:53

there's a lot of people that don't like Joe. Okay.

43:58

So, you know, they always... Had her

44:00

issues because she was trying to boss Dave around

44:02

or he was trying to boss Dave around

44:05

and different things and stuff And she

44:07

would step in and they'd get in

44:10

arguments and everything like that So

44:13

after he left and went to judge, what did you do? I

44:20

Stayed at my mom. I went out to my

44:22

mom's and stayed the night there and I

44:25

think I walked in at 9 30 or

44:28

10 in the morning at his apartment you

44:31

know, he gave me a key to get in and I had

44:33

given money for rent and stuff because it

44:36

was close to the end of the month and

44:40

I just came home and I thought it was

44:42

really weird that he wasn't there yet Okay,

44:45

let me let me ask you just a couple

44:47

of things being that she died who was making

44:49

who was in charge of making the Funeral arrangement

44:51

she died you like you said on a Thursday

44:53

Maybe the check and see what

44:55

the actual date would have been for Thursday at the end of

44:57

February of 2020 but

45:01

Who was making the funeral arrangements who was calling

45:03

up? You know

45:05

the funeral home and doing all of that My

45:10

mom and Dave went over Friday

45:13

Friday at some point at some time

45:16

and they both Walked through the you

45:18

know that with the funeral director everything

45:21

that needed Bought

45:23

and everything. She didn't have no life

45:25

insurance. So he was struggling with that They

45:29

didn't have their life insurance. So He

45:32

was doing his best to try to figure

45:34

out how to if you have to go

45:36

get a loan and this and that everything

45:39

All right on that. All right So and

45:41

when was I guess the funeral did end

45:43

up happening correct even though of course he

45:45

went missing before so unique

45:49

So did the new funeral happen like March 2nd

45:51

March 3rd or it did happen

45:53

there wasn't like a viewing Yes

46:00

much the funeral director got everything set up.

46:02

It was supposed to happen, I think it

46:04

was either Monday or Tuesday that happened.

46:08

Everything was all set up as

46:10

a Friday. I don't know the

46:13

real specifics of about

46:15

the money issue, but when we

46:18

all showed up for the viewing and stuff, Julie's

46:22

dad ended up paying the rest of

46:24

the money to the funeral

46:26

director to cover all the costs.

46:28

My sister helped out with opening

46:30

and closing of the grave. So

46:34

that was all covered and

46:36

Dave was really

46:39

appreciative of both of them helping out.

46:44

So I think most of everything

46:46

was pretty much covered. I'm

46:49

not sure of all the specifics of

46:51

if Dave went

46:53

missing and then did he

46:55

talk to Julie's dad about paying

46:57

the rest or I don't

46:59

know the specifics on that. Okay, that's fine.

47:03

Alright, so but Dave and

47:05

your mother went down, they made

47:07

these arrangements, but he disappears

47:10

before this funeral ever happened. So I have to

47:12

ask, we're going to get into the actual day,

47:14

but let's just jump ahead a little bit.

47:17

The funeral happens, of course, Dave's not

47:20

there. What was everybody saying at that

47:22

point? There

47:26

were some comments like how can

47:29

he just walk off

47:32

with this all going

47:34

on and stuff. And my family

47:36

and her family was upset. My

47:40

family wasn't really, we was worried

47:43

that what happened?

47:45

We don't know. It was like

47:47

we was going through a funeral and

47:49

then Dave missing at the same time.

47:52

It was overwhelming. We loved her. But

48:00

then it overwhelmed

48:03

like why did he

48:05

do this or what happened? You

48:07

know, it

48:10

was just overwhelming on time

48:12

of we was all wanting

48:15

to grieve

48:17

over her, but then we was

48:19

also wondering what happened to him.

48:22

You know, of course. Okay,

48:25

so we'll probably or maybe probably we're probably going

48:27

to come back to that. So let's

48:29

just wanted to maybe have to ask that

48:31

question right now because a lot of people

48:34

are probably on their minds that you

48:36

guys missing and then the funeral happens. Well,

48:38

what was the reaction? Everybody they're going to

48:40

the funeral for Dave's wife and Dave

48:43

isn't there. I maybe I should

48:45

ask you this. I won't get to

48:48

that later. That's fine. Let's go to

48:50

that. So he decides to go

48:52

to Joe's. You're there when he does so.

48:54

You go over to your mother's and

48:57

then the next morning my understanding once again

48:59

from what you've told me in a prior

49:01

conversation is that your mother called Dave.

49:04

And what was the conversation? Most

49:09

of the conversation that she relate to

49:11

me, I don't know everything that was

49:13

said, but the

49:16

conversation mostly based

49:18

on demand demand.

49:22

Oh, well, my sister, her helping him out

49:24

with the opening and closing of

49:26

the burial site. You know,

49:29

he was really appreciative that she could

49:31

help him out on that. And

49:34

that's pretty much what they discussed

49:36

is what I was told. Okay.

49:39

And during that call, so he Dave had

49:42

a cell phone, right? She called him on

49:44

his cell phone. Yes.

49:48

Okay. During this conversation,

49:51

did Dave say or did your mother get

49:54

an impression on where he was when this

49:56

phone call occurred? Yes,

49:59

that he was. He was at home, he

50:01

had just walked in the door about 7, 7.30 and he was at

50:03

home is what he told

50:05

her. Ok,

50:09

so he says he's at home, the

50:11

place that he was just the day before, so

50:13

presumably he goes to Joe's,

50:16

maybe stays overnight, maybe just is there till 2 or

50:18

3 in the morning or something. But

50:20

it's 7, 7.30, 8 o'clock

50:23

that morning, he's back at his

50:25

home, the place where you were living with him

50:27

for the last couple of weeks. Yes.

50:31

Ok, mother say how, what

50:33

his disposition was, how he

50:35

sounded, what does she remember? She

50:39

said he sounded upbeat in every

50:42

setting due to the circumstances

50:44

that he didn't sound like he was depressed

50:46

or anything like that at that time. Ok.

50:50

So the next thing that occurs is

50:53

that you told me that

50:55

the neighbor had to

50:57

go over and shut

51:00

off a loud radio, I guess that

51:02

was on the back porch or something,

51:05

of course, you're living there now, so

51:07

you know the premise is very well.

51:10

Of course, lived there for a while back then.

51:13

When did you find out first about this

51:16

neighbor's story? When did this first come up?

51:21

After I called my mom

51:23

to wonder if he was over there, and

51:27

she said no, but I called Joe, and

51:29

so she called Joe, and

51:31

then Joe said that he wasn't with

51:34

him either. And then, you know, Joe

51:36

got ahold of this other guy, and

51:38

they both came over about, I don't know,

51:41

about an hour later. And then

51:43

we all was

51:45

screaming on, you know,

51:48

this guy went out back, found his cell

51:50

phone on the armrest of the chair.

51:53

And then so we went

51:55

around town next door in different

51:57

places, and that's when I found

51:59

out. when I talked to the guy

52:01

that he had jammed over that early that

52:03

morning about, I'm thinking eight

52:05

or eight thirty and

52:07

shut because blaring out back

52:11

of his patio. So the

52:13

guy just turned off and then walked back

52:15

to his apartment next door.

52:17

Okay. Maybe I should, you know,

52:19

this is maybe you have to

52:21

establish this. When did somebody realize

52:23

that Dave was missing? So,

52:27

you know, your mother talks to him and

52:30

then what was the time that everybody

52:33

realized he was missing? It

52:37

had to be about 10 or

52:39

11 o'clock. You know, after

52:42

I got home about at his place at

52:44

930 and

52:46

then about 1030 or 11, I realized

52:48

that, well, where's Dave at? So I

52:50

started calling around because I was trying to

52:52

get worried. I didn't know that this guy,

52:54

I didn't even pay attention. The car was

52:57

in the garage or anything at that time.

52:59

I just, you know, went got a shower

53:02

with playing around on my phone, stuff

53:05

like that, you know, stuff up. Okay.

53:08

So you went to your mother's then bed

53:10

that next morning you come back over there.

53:13

I guess you're expecting to see Dave. Yes.

53:17

But he's not there. No. All

53:19

right. Now we have to remember Joe has Dave's

53:23

truck, but Dave's wife

53:25

had this car and her car was there.

53:29

Yes. I didn't realize it until

53:32

we started searching around the

53:34

whole apartment and then the back,

53:36

you know, in the back and

53:38

thing. I didn't realize that

53:40

his car was there until then. So

53:43

you get there around 1030, 11, he's not there. And was this,

53:45

did you try calling him or

53:50

was this phone there in the place?

53:54

Oh, I tried calling him and everybody tried

53:56

calling him, but you know, I was inside

53:58

and that was out back. So I

54:00

didn't hear the phone back there.

54:03

It was out. Okay.

54:05

So the phone was in the back

54:08

and then you already

54:10

stayed and eventually found out that this neighbor had

54:12

gone over there because the radio was blaring. Is

54:14

this some sort of like little

54:16

radio that was plugged into the wall

54:19

outside on the porch or something? Something

54:22

like that? Yeah, kind of like a boombox. So

54:24

it was pretty loud. Okay.

54:27

All right. All right. So

54:30

what you're also saying here, I think,

54:32

Daryl, is that people

54:34

realize that something wasn't right pretty

54:36

quickly. Yes. It

54:39

was in a few hours, maybe three hours.

54:43

Yes. And then, you know,

54:47

I went on Facebook and posted,

54:49

anybody seen my brother, blah, blah,

54:51

blah, you know, and then started

54:53

telling people left and right. And

54:55

then these people seeing it on

54:57

Facebook, they stopped by and asked

54:59

me if I had

55:01

a picture of him, they could go over

55:04

and make copies and put it on a

55:06

poster. And then they started handing out posters

55:08

or flyers to everybody

55:10

in town and in Troy and

55:13

different places. Okay.

55:16

All right. So you're looking for

55:18

him. Of course, you're calling him, but we'll get

55:20

to the phone a little bit later. But you're

55:23

calling and not realizing maybe at least at first,

55:25

the phone's sitting back there maybe by where the

55:27

radio is. But it should

55:29

be noted though, you just said that you

55:31

were over there, but who else came over

55:33

to his place during that general time? It

55:37

was Joe and Seth. Seth's the

55:39

one that actually found his phone on the

55:41

back porch on the armrest. Okay.

55:45

Okay. So

55:47

you did not find it. Somebody else found it back

55:49

there. Yes. All right.

55:51

Seth did. All right. And

55:54

just very general terms, once again, no last names. Who

55:57

is Seth? Seth

56:00

is a friend of Joe's and

56:02

they knew him through Joe. So

56:06

it was kind of an acquaintance of Joe. And

56:09

then Dave got to

56:11

know him and stuff and helped

56:13

him out a couple of times, driving

56:16

him back to work and different things. And,

56:19

but Joe and Seth showed

56:21

up because you called them and said that

56:24

Dave was missing. Is that why they showed up? My

56:28

mom, actually I called my mom. She had Joe's

56:30

number. So she's the one that called Joe. And

56:33

then him and Joe, or Joe

56:35

and Seth showed up and the

56:37

apartment started looking for him. When

56:41

you, so you encountered them when they showed up,

56:44

you know, in your opinion, their demeanor. Seth

56:51

was pretty, you know, upset

56:55

about it. I could say, he,

56:57

now Joe was kind of calm, but

57:00

Seth was all, you know, we gotta find

57:02

him. We gotta find him. But my

57:04

mom told me later on that

57:06

the reason he minded to that

57:08

is because his dad committed suicide.

57:11

And he was, but Dave was

57:15

in that way. I didn't know that until

57:17

later on. That would make sense. Yeah.

57:21

All right. So he got to

57:23

place over there and he, he did

57:25

a lot of, you know, getting people

57:28

over there for searches and stuff like

57:30

that. And we actually did

57:32

a search down at the river. Me,

57:34

Joe and Seth and a couple other

57:36

people walked down there or actually drove

57:38

down there and started

57:41

searching along the river

57:43

and stuff. All

57:47

right. So all these people were over there.

57:49

You're over there, Seth's over there. Joe's over there

57:51

trying to figure out what happened. Police

57:55

get informed. Just

57:59

being that you had lived there. for a few weeks before

58:01

this happened, anything you,

58:04

any signs, just very specifically, any

58:07

signs of violence, like anything on the

58:09

floor, anything broken, anything like that.

58:13

No, nothing. Nothing. Alright.

58:16

And my understanding is at some point, dogs

58:19

came in to kind of sniff

58:21

everything out, and I'll be

58:23

doing a map video just so everybody can

58:26

kind of see what we're

58:29

talking about here. But where did the dogs

58:31

go? My understanding is they did pick up

58:33

something. Listeners know I'm not a big fan

58:36

of dogs in this situation. I love dogs,

58:38

but when it comes to missing persons, I'm

58:41

fairly skeptical. But what

58:43

did the dogs do when they were brought over? They,

58:49

I showed them some articles

58:52

of clothing of days. It

58:55

was mainly a ball

58:57

cap, you know, like winter ball cap,

58:59

and they sniffed it,

59:02

and then they went out back and went

59:04

along the fence line onto

59:06

some, it was a field,

59:09

and through a field onto a lady's property,

59:11

they said, I didn't go with them, but,

59:13

you know, they said, be best if everybody

59:16

stayed back and then they let them do

59:18

their thing, and then went

59:20

onto another property, stopped at that one

59:22

property, and then went onto

59:24

another piece of property, and then they lost the

59:26

scent, they said. Okay.

59:29

And being that probably hardly, maybe

59:33

a few people live in the Covington, Ohio, I

59:35

hear some of the listeners, but for everybody else,

59:37

how far would you say the dogs went from

59:39

the house before they lost the scent, would you

59:41

say a quarter, a

59:43

football field, eighth of a mile, quarter

59:46

of a mile, how far would

59:48

you say? Two

59:50

football fields. All right, about 600 feet

59:52

then, 700 feet. Okay,

59:55

so not really technically, I guess,

59:57

that far. Okay.

1:00:01

The way you, once again, being that you lived

1:00:03

there, did

1:00:07

this trail go by any other houses, by

1:00:09

any other buildings where people would have been

1:00:11

in? Where it's a business or a home

1:00:14

where people could have seen him? Your

1:00:17

opinion? Not

1:00:22

from the road. It

1:00:24

was kind of secluded. Now,

1:00:28

I'm not sure how far it is from the

1:00:31

main road. And if

1:00:33

you could, and I can't remember

1:00:36

if beans were up or corn was up

1:00:38

at that time. I'm

1:00:40

pretty sure it was, I don't

1:00:43

know, I don't think it was, I think it was

1:00:45

all cut down. So it was pretty, you could

1:00:47

probably see from the road that

1:00:50

someone was walking that way. Okay.

1:00:55

All right, so maybe it's a path

1:00:58

that maybe was going out of the

1:01:00

way of running into anybody. Might

1:01:02

look at it that way. Yes.

1:01:07

All right, but then the dogs

1:01:09

lost the trail. Did the dog

1:01:12

handlers give any reason? Once again, if you were

1:01:14

there, if you know, if you don't, that's fine.

1:01:16

Did they give any reason why the dogs might

1:01:18

have lost the trail right at that

1:01:20

spot? No,

1:01:22

they didn't send me. They didn't.

1:01:25

What are any foot searches by humans?

1:01:30

Go looking in that direction, go much farther than

1:01:32

the dogs did, you know, going

1:01:35

in, you know, because there are houses, there

1:01:37

are buildings with people in

1:01:39

them and around the area,

1:01:41

some businesses and things. Did

1:01:43

people kind of fan out in different directions

1:01:45

or not? Yes.

1:01:49

I had one group together and

1:01:52

then Joe had another group

1:01:54

and then somebody else had

1:01:56

another group. We actually went

1:01:58

over to Ludoke Falls. which is

1:02:01

not too far. Well, you

1:02:03

got to go through another town. But we

1:02:05

went over there thinking maybe, he

1:02:08

was over there thinking, because at

1:02:10

that, there was something that

1:02:12

happened a long time ago where he thought

1:02:15

he was back in the military. This

1:02:18

was before he got on meds, that

1:02:20

he went low

1:02:22

crawling into mud and stuff, and mom

1:02:24

and dad found him, I forgot about that. But

1:02:28

that was before he was on his

1:02:30

medication and everything, until

1:02:32

he got leveled out. Okay.

1:02:36

Alright, so there's that incident as well. Okay,

1:02:39

so you're going looking around, and

1:02:42

in the process, of course, kind of

1:02:44

a populated area, so maybe

1:02:46

you're going to find man-made things anyway. Anything

1:02:49

that you found in any of those searches

1:02:51

that could have been connected to David. Not

1:02:58

that I know of. Okay. Okay.

1:03:03

Let's move on to this. Now, we're going to get a little

1:03:05

deeper now into the house, being that you were

1:03:07

there very quickly. I mean, you were like the first person

1:03:09

on the scene, and then of course, Joe and Seth came

1:03:11

over. Of course, we can't forget the

1:03:13

neighbor that came over as well. But

1:03:15

you told me something about David's clothes. Of

1:03:18

course, you're living with him. You kind of

1:03:20

know maybe his clothes situation. You were living

1:03:22

with him for a couple weeks. But

1:03:24

what can you say about his clothes? There

1:03:28

was a lot of his clothes and

1:03:31

a lot of shaving stuff that was

1:03:33

missing that I noticed when I went

1:03:35

to pack stuff up. I

1:03:38

couldn't afford the rent on my own because

1:03:43

I just got in my job and stuff.

1:03:45

Okay. So

1:03:47

I couldn't afford it on my own. So I think

1:03:51

it was about a month or two after

1:03:54

Dave disappeared. I started packing

1:03:57

everything up. And a lot

1:03:59

of this... His clothes were gone, his pants

1:04:02

and shirts were gone. And then

1:04:04

there was a duffel bag that I noticed

1:04:06

that was gone. Cause I remember him

1:04:08

having a green duffel bag from the

1:04:10

military and that wasn't found there

1:04:12

either. All right, so you're living there for a while.

1:04:14

Maybe you're just thinking, well, you know, he's going to

1:04:17

come back, right? I guess you were there

1:04:19

thinking, yeah, he's going to come back. You know,

1:04:21

he's maybe just having some sort of episode. Somebody's

1:04:23

going to find him somewhere, maybe

1:04:25

in another state, maybe he's homeless or something,

1:04:27

but somebody would find him and then bring

1:04:29

him back to Ohio. That's what you're

1:04:31

thinking. Yes. And

1:04:34

that's why you didn't like go through his stuff. Yeah.

1:04:40

All right, but then eventually he found him in

1:04:42

his drawers or whatever, most of his

1:04:45

clothes were missing. Yes.

1:04:49

Okay. There was, now this

1:04:51

is another thing that

1:04:54

he left his wedding ring right on the

1:04:56

dresser. Where he

1:04:59

kept all this clothes and everything. Right.

1:05:02

Yeah, no clothes there that

1:05:04

I knew that was his.

1:05:08

Most of the clothes that were there was

1:05:10

jewelry. Okay. Did

1:05:12

you notice that wedding ring was sitting there right

1:05:14

away? Or, you know, of course, any

1:05:16

sort of jewelry, like that's not very big and, you

1:05:18

know, maybe, I don't know if you'd be looking for

1:05:20

that type of thing anyway. Think this is the first

1:05:22

time we've ever talked about a wedding ring on Unfound,

1:05:24

you know, seven and a half years in. But

1:05:27

that was something you noticed at the time, or did

1:05:29

it take you a few days to realize that? No,

1:05:33

I noticed that immediately. When

1:05:36

I, I did do

1:05:38

a little bit of search around and

1:05:40

maybe you left a note or something.

1:05:43

So I was thinking, look everywhere to see if

1:05:45

I can find a note and

1:05:47

stuff. I didn't even told the police, come on in

1:05:49

and see if you can find anything and

1:05:52

everything. Right. Yeah,

1:05:55

cause the wedding ring and we should

1:05:57

establish David did usually wear his.

1:05:59

wedding ring yes

1:06:02

you know did he ever I mean I know

1:06:04

this is very personal but yeah

1:06:07

you know maybe some people might take it off

1:06:09

when they take a shower or something in case

1:06:11

it doesn't fall off and go down the drain

1:06:13

or something anything like that I have

1:06:16

to ask because I know maybe the

1:06:18

listeners thinking well

1:06:23

that's a really crazy question my dad of

1:06:25

course was married for over 50 years

1:06:27

of course my mother's now deceased but

1:06:29

he never wore a wedding ring and not

1:06:31

because he was running around or anything

1:06:33

but he just was never into any

1:06:35

drawers very much like I don't wear anything

1:06:38

like that either of course I'm not

1:06:40

married but no watches no you know anything

1:06:42

like that hey anything metal on my

1:06:44

body hate it my dad's kind of

1:06:46

the same way so he never wore his

1:06:48

wedding ring so that's why I needed to

1:06:50

ask but David did wear his wedding

1:06:53

ring yes he wore

1:06:55

his wedding ring and he also wore a

1:06:57

necklace with the cross on it and

1:06:59

he liked jewelry

1:07:02

a little bit you know you have a

1:07:04

lot of jewelry but you like where jewelry

1:07:06

is okay but the but

1:07:08

the cross this necklace

1:07:10

or whatever it's missing yes

1:07:14

okay he went missing it went missing all

1:07:16

right so this green double bag closer

1:07:20

missing his wedding ring

1:07:22

still there regarding the

1:07:24

phone the phone was still there but like it

1:07:26

you know we established you didn't find it one

1:07:29

of those other guys found it and

1:07:34

maybe I'll ask you right at this point

1:07:36

did you like look through the phone to

1:07:38

see if who anybody that

1:07:40

he could have called and text we're gonna

1:07:42

get back to like some older texts later

1:07:44

but just for that morning did

1:07:47

he call anybody of course we know his mother called

1:07:49

him but did you ever look in his phone to

1:07:51

see you recent that communication

1:07:53

was with no

1:07:56

I didn't okay Do

1:08:00

you know the police collected that

1:08:02

phone? Do you know where that phone is

1:08:04

now? Yeah They did. Yes The

1:08:09

phone is with The detective

1:08:11

in Miami County. Okay, very

1:08:13

good Now

1:08:16

my sister she did see

1:08:18

some text in there that she she

1:08:20

actually grabbed his phone and started looking

1:08:22

through it and stuff I

1:08:25

personally didn't do that, but she did

1:08:27

and she said there was a suspicious

1:08:30

Activity on his text messages. All

1:08:32

right, we'll get into that a little

1:08:34

later. Well surely now you also said

1:08:36

his shaving stuff Was

1:08:39

missing Like

1:08:41

yes, like a razor and maybe shaving cream.

1:08:43

That's what you noticed Dave

1:08:45

the type of guy to like shave every

1:08:47

day or once every three days. Do you

1:08:49

even know? every

1:08:52

day Cuz he didn't like

1:08:54

to go to your nothing

1:08:56

on this face. All right. He's like

1:08:58

me then. Okay But

1:09:00

there is a discrepancy with the wallet.

1:09:02

Why don't you Explain

1:09:06

why the information with the wallet is

1:09:08

a bit conflicting Well,

1:09:11

I remember going into his bedroom

1:09:13

and just seeing the wedding ring

1:09:15

and there was nothing else on

1:09:17

the Dresser, but

1:09:19

when I talked to Seth

1:09:21

about it Seth swore that he is Walt

1:09:24

was there on the dresser and I

1:09:27

don't remember his wallet being there

1:09:29

whatsoever You

1:09:32

know, I looked all over that place for his wallet

1:09:34

because that's one of the main things to see If

1:09:38

he left his wall behind, you know,

1:09:40

and I did not find it anywhere Even

1:09:43

when I packed everything up, there was

1:09:45

no wallet found Well,

1:09:48

that's where's his wallet was on

1:09:50

the dresser but it's missing

1:09:53

now four years later Yes,

1:09:55

okay, so his phone was there Wedding

1:09:58

ring is there but his wallet

1:10:01

is missing four years later. But

1:10:04

you claim, of course, you were the first person to get

1:10:06

to the house. You didn't see

1:10:09

it, but when Seth and Joe got there

1:10:11

later, Seth insists that the wallet was there.

1:10:15

When I took, I didn't talk to Seth about

1:10:17

it at that time. It

1:10:20

was about six months later that

1:10:22

I talked to Seth on the phone and

1:10:25

he swore that he'd

1:10:27

seen his wallet. But I'm wondering

1:10:29

if, because we've seen his wedding

1:10:31

room and I said his wedding

1:10:33

room's right here, maybe he misunderstood

1:10:35

what Seth said, I don't know.

1:10:38

Okay, all right. But

1:10:40

you were pretty sure, being that you were the

1:10:42

first person on the scene, you did

1:10:44

not see his wallet. No,

1:10:47

I did not. Okay. Let's

1:10:50

move on to this. So we got some things going

1:10:52

on in the house, the clothes, the wedding ring, this

1:10:55

phone, the wallet was that

1:10:57

there was not. I'm gonna believe you, Darryl,

1:11:02

because you were the first on the scene. I don't think

1:11:04

you would miss something like that. Of

1:11:06

course, it really was just sitting there in

1:11:08

the open, as Seth described. Maybe, of course,

1:11:11

it was well down the road. Who

1:11:13

knows? Maybe he saw your

1:11:15

wallet sitting on the table or something, or

1:11:17

Joe's wallet sitting on the table. That wasn't

1:11:19

actually David. So it came up

1:11:22

with a lot of different stories there. So

1:11:24

move on to this. Now, one of the

1:11:26

neighbors, and I'm not sure which house it is, they

1:11:30

had some of those ring cameras, or had

1:11:32

security cameras on the front of the house.

1:11:34

What did it show? According

1:11:39

to the detective, it showed, I

1:11:41

mean, they went around every house

1:11:44

and did investigation and found out

1:11:46

that a guy down the

1:11:48

street had one of those.

1:11:51

So he asked him

1:11:54

if he could see the footage, and it

1:11:56

showed that Dave came in, closed

1:11:58

the garage door, and... and no one

1:12:00

ever left out to front until I got home. So,

1:12:04

but when you say Dave came

1:12:06

home, what we're talking about is

1:12:09

a car. He was in his wife's car. Yes,

1:12:12

he was in his wife's car. Alright, so,

1:12:14

I know we have to be

1:12:17

very technical about this. The car

1:12:19

goes by this camera, and

1:12:21

the camera can actually see David's

1:12:24

garage door? Yes.

1:12:28

It can. Okay, so it's

1:12:30

like right across the street, and we don't want to

1:12:32

give out any address or anything. But

1:12:35

it's good enough that we

1:12:37

know that the camera's pointed out on

1:12:40

the street, but it just happens to also catch, you

1:12:43

know, Dave's place. And it shows

1:12:45

the car going into the garage, but technically,

1:12:48

you can't really tell who's driving, right? No.

1:12:53

According to, you know, I found

1:12:55

out this later from

1:12:57

the detective that, you know, I don't know

1:12:59

which house that the detective went to. I

1:13:02

have no idea. They never released that information

1:13:04

to me, so I want to make sure

1:13:06

that you know that. So,

1:13:09

I have no idea which house it was

1:13:11

that had the camera. Okay,

1:13:15

so I got asked. So you've never like walked – I

1:13:17

know you live there. No, I'm not putting you on the

1:13:19

spot, but you've never like walked on that side of the

1:13:21

street to see which one of those

1:13:23

houses actually has a camera? No,

1:13:26

I didn't. No, you didn't. Okay. Alright,

1:13:31

so we have a story. A car coming back

1:13:33

would – did

1:13:35

the police give you a time

1:13:37

estimate of when this happened? No,

1:13:42

they didn't. Because

1:13:45

you have to remember, we have this story that

1:13:47

your mother called him and he said he was

1:13:49

at home and

1:13:52

trying to figure out was he telling the truth?

1:13:54

I think she would have noticed maybe if he

1:13:56

was driving in the car because you kind of

1:13:58

hear the background and everything. So

1:14:02

you have to piece that together. Presumably,

1:14:04

I guess, if we're

1:14:06

believing Dave, is that he

1:14:10

did drive home from Joe's in his

1:14:12

wife's car, in Dave's wife's car, and

1:14:14

went in there. And then after that, your mother

1:14:17

called him, but certainly

1:14:19

something else could be possible because we have

1:14:21

to remember we don't know who

1:14:23

was driving Dave's car. All

1:14:26

we know is the car. Anything unusual, maybe I'll ask you.

1:14:28

Is anything unusual about the car? Did you ever take a

1:14:30

look at the car? And anything

1:14:32

unusual, anything missing out of it? No,

1:14:38

me and Seth and Joe kind

1:14:40

of looked through it and didn't

1:14:42

find anything out of the ordinary.

1:14:46

Okay.

1:14:49

And then, so he pulls in there and

1:14:51

then just to remind everybody to put this

1:14:53

in the timeline, what time do you think

1:14:55

you got back to Dave's place

1:14:58

that morning, roughly? 9.30

1:15:01

or 10. So

1:15:04

once again, we're talking about two

1:15:07

and a half, three hours, something

1:15:10

went on in that time. Okay.

1:15:13

Let's move on to Joe and

1:15:15

we have to talk about these

1:15:17

things because you've

1:15:20

seen them, you've experienced them, Daryl,

1:15:23

so I have to ask you about them. First of

1:15:25

all, did Joe go to the funeral? Yes,

1:15:29

he did. He showed up. Okay, so he

1:15:31

was there. He

1:15:34

and his brother. He and his brother, very good.

1:15:37

Now, there is a story though that

1:15:41

he was asking you about a leather jacket

1:15:44

that David had. Please tell the listeners.

1:15:46

Of course, you experienced this firsthand, so

1:15:48

you were there. What was

1:15:51

the conversation? Well,

1:15:54

the day that they were missing, Joe

1:15:57

Mentioned to me that he would like to have...

1:16:03

We don't know what exists. I'm

1:16:05

not giving users jacket man. He

1:16:08

so wanted to put days picture

1:16:10

on to remember him by. That's.

1:16:12

A very day that they. Would make

1:16:14

sense in in at the

1:16:17

funeral home before we've a

1:16:19

women's sizes he. Has come up

1:16:21

to be a job and try to ask

1:16:23

me about the objected to. Ah

1:16:26

a year to see if he he it's

1:16:28

just it's put these picture on. As

1:16:31

as thought it was really. Weird.

1:16:34

And ninety one and be

1:16:36

impossible to and. I said

1:16:38

no, We'll regarding the pallbearers Forbes

1:16:40

or Jules. Verne Men

1:16:42

in Palmer. things muscle unusual, but that

1:16:44

is so we're saying. This very day,

1:16:46

when you show up there, you notice

1:16:49

days missing an incest. And

1:16:51

Joe. So I'm Joe. Ask you

1:16:53

that very day about that leather

1:16:55

jacket. In

1:16:57

a season or it's within hours a day

1:16:59

going missing. Yes,

1:17:03

I. Realize what a story was

1:17:05

that wouldn't put. One.

1:17:09

In put the picture on.

1:17:11

it was something. Okay,

1:17:13

movement in that very well could

1:17:15

be the that's what he wanted

1:17:17

to do. A bit disingenuous. We

1:17:19

all know when people start asking

1:17:22

about missing persons things very quickly.

1:17:24

It does seem a little strange. I'm.

1:17:28

Ah, next. Point.

1:17:30

Days struck with Remember this

1:17:32

Joe had. Days. Truck

1:17:34

on in your estimation. How long

1:17:37

did Joe have? Don't. Cook

1:17:39

before the and went missing. On.

1:17:41

The. Ah

1:17:44

of two weeks or

1:17:46

months. Long time. Alone

1:17:50

science with was this because the

1:17:52

day and just let a bar

1:17:54

with there was some sort of

1:17:56

arrangement. Third, didn't does didn't as

1:17:59

David. to you. Hey

1:18:01

Dave, why does Joe have your truck

1:18:03

and what was Dave's explanation? There

1:18:07

was something that my mom told me, now this

1:18:09

is coming from my mom, that Dave

1:18:13

agreed to let him use his

1:18:16

truck because of his being down.

1:18:18

But the conversation was supposed to

1:18:21

be that he would get

1:18:23

another vehicle or get down pics or

1:18:25

whatever. But as far

1:18:27

as I know, according to

1:18:29

my mom, Joe was actually

1:18:31

paying Dave Riddle to

1:18:33

help him out on the lease on

1:18:36

that vehicle. Okay.

1:18:40

I'm not sure if it was per month

1:18:43

or per week. I'm not sure how that

1:18:45

arrangement, but I do remember my

1:18:47

mom saying that. Okay. So

1:18:49

it wasn't just a, it

1:18:52

possibly wasn't

1:18:54

a Dave let Joe borrow his truck for

1:18:56

a while. It might have been, there might

1:18:58

have been some financial motive for

1:19:01

this. Yes. Okay. Your

1:19:03

opinion, Joe having Dave's

1:19:05

truck, did he take care of it? Did

1:19:08

he keep it in good shape? No,

1:19:11

it was, it was pretty much trash on

1:19:14

the inside. I mean, there was trash all

1:19:16

over the place. There was trash in his

1:19:18

bed of his truck. There was

1:19:20

actually a, like trash bags

1:19:23

of trash in his, in

1:19:27

the bed of his truck that

1:19:29

Joe had thrown in there. I

1:19:32

have no idea why. Okay.

1:19:37

All right. So he has this truck

1:19:39

for, you know, at least two months. That's

1:19:41

your best estimation. It's

1:19:44

good enough for a

1:19:46

conversation here. And, but

1:19:48

then it

1:19:50

did turn out, and I think this is where you

1:19:52

were going when you talked about your sister a few

1:19:54

minutes ago, about some texts

1:19:57

that were eventually found on

1:19:59

Dave's phone. between Dave and

1:20:01

Joe and the topic was the

1:20:03

truck. You saw these texts? I

1:20:07

didn't actually see him. My sister told

1:20:11

me about him. The

1:20:15

text actually said, Dave actually

1:20:17

on the text, quoting my

1:20:20

sister, is that the

1:20:22

text actually said that Dave told

1:20:25

him that he's given him until

1:20:27

a certain date. I'm not sure

1:20:29

what the date was, that he wanted

1:20:32

back. He wanted

1:20:35

his truck back and he needed his truck back.

1:20:41

I guess him and Joe got a heated

1:20:43

discussion on there and told

1:20:46

him that he couldn't give it back, that

1:20:48

he had to have a vehicle. They

1:20:51

said, well, I don't care. You got to figure something

1:20:53

out because I was on my truck back. I got

1:20:55

a date and that's

1:20:58

what I was told from my sister.

1:21:03

Did your sister ever say, recognize

1:21:05

the date on that conversation? Was that a

1:21:08

week before Dave's disappearance? A

1:21:10

month before? Did she say? Yeah,

1:21:14

a day or two. Just a day or two? Yes.

1:21:20

Okay. Of course,

1:21:23

Dave goes missing and what happened

1:21:25

to that truck? Did

1:21:27

Joe give it back after Dave went missing

1:21:29

or what happened? Mom

1:21:34

kept on saying about giving the truck

1:21:36

back, but

1:21:39

I think a week or

1:21:41

two later, I think it might have

1:21:43

been closer to two weeks, that mom

1:21:45

just called him up and told him, gave him

1:21:47

all to me and you bring the truck back

1:21:49

or we call the police on you for keeping

1:21:52

Dave's truck. And

1:21:54

then Joe ended up bringing

1:21:57

it back under He

1:22:00

really didn't want to bring it back, but

1:22:02

once mom mentioned she was going to call

1:22:04

a police on him having Dave's truck, you

1:22:07

know, like thieving his truck, then

1:22:09

he finally gave in like three days later

1:22:11

and brought it back to mom. So

1:22:15

Joe did eventually give the truck

1:22:17

back? Yes. Okay.

1:22:20

All right, and being that you still live

1:22:22

in the area and maybe some of your

1:22:24

other family lives in the area, do you

1:22:26

still interact with him? Joe,

1:22:28

is he around? What's he doing? Seth as well.

1:22:30

Do you guys, do you talk to these guys

1:22:32

over the last four years? I

1:22:37

had talked to Joe

1:22:40

a little bit, but it's been a

1:22:42

long time. It's been like two, three

1:22:44

years since I've talked to Joe. Two

1:22:48

years for Seth. Seth,

1:22:50

as far as I know, is living

1:22:53

around here now. But

1:22:55

Joe, last time I heard he

1:22:58

was in Mississippi. Oh, he moved.

1:23:01

Yes. And he moved very

1:23:03

quickly after the

1:23:06

funeral and after Dave's. I

1:23:08

think it was within three months he moved to

1:23:11

Mississippi. I

1:23:13

think that's something else maybe that we need to

1:23:15

keep in mind just to kind of be devil's

1:23:17

advocate regarding Joe is that, you know, very well

1:23:20

maybe that Joe's thinking, well,

1:23:23

you know, you lent me

1:23:25

or whatever the situation is,

1:23:27

your truck, and now

1:23:30

that your wife's deceased, you

1:23:34

don't need a vehicle. You

1:23:36

can drive her a vehicle and I can continue to

1:23:38

drive her truck. It very well could be that Joe

1:23:41

might have just been upset about that, thinking,

1:23:43

you know, you're by yourself

1:23:45

now. You don't need two vehicles. Very

1:23:49

well could be that. I realize

1:23:52

how it looks, but it very well

1:23:54

could have been heat of the moment type of

1:23:56

thing. And

1:23:59

we also have to realize. this is not

1:24:01

a recorded conversation. We have

1:24:03

a text. It's hard maybe to put the

1:24:05

correct emotions. You

1:24:07

know, with texting, we've all done texting. We realize

1:24:09

what we write and what

1:24:12

we're thinking maybe doesn't show the emotions.

1:24:14

All we know is that Dave

1:24:16

was asking for his truck back and Joe

1:24:19

seemed to be resistant to it at least

1:24:22

at that moment. Yes.

1:24:25

Okay. And then it

1:24:27

was it you or you

1:24:29

said your sister was the one communicating with Joe to get

1:24:31

the truck back? My

1:24:35

mom. Your mom. My mom was.

1:24:37

Okay. All right. But Dave or

1:24:39

Joe eventually did give the

1:24:41

truck back. And where is that

1:24:43

truck now? It

1:24:46

got turned back into the leasing company.

1:24:48

It did. Actually, car and the

1:24:51

truck was leased. Okay. And then,

1:24:53

you know, no payment and

1:24:55

we can't touch any money

1:24:58

that they've passed. It

1:25:01

got turned back in because they paid

1:25:03

that out of his debit

1:25:05

card. Okay. So the

1:25:07

car and the truck are going. Yes.

1:25:11

Okay. They got trouble. Okay.

1:25:16

I'm going to ask you, it's not on the outline, but I'm

1:25:18

going to ask you about this. This certainly could be a situation.

1:25:20

Of course, we have clothes missing. We have

1:25:22

a wallet missing. We have a phone left

1:25:24

behind. We have a wedding ring left behind.

1:25:27

It could be certainly believable

1:25:30

that Dave went off

1:25:32

all by himself. I think this something that,

1:25:34

you know, that I realize, you know, I

1:25:37

might think something else, but certainly given the

1:25:39

clothes and everything really

1:25:41

leaning toward, I'm not telling what people what to think, but

1:25:43

we have to talk about it. That and

1:25:46

being especially since Dave had gone off

1:25:48

and taken a couple trips unexpectedly on

1:25:50

his own before. What

1:25:53

are some of the characteristics? What are some

1:25:55

of the things that Dave was into? Let's

1:25:57

say he's out there somewhere. It's for you.

1:26:00

years later, he's been able to survive

1:26:02

on the streets or doing something. What

1:26:04

are some of the things that people

1:26:07

might recognize about him?

1:26:09

Any idiosyncrasies, you know,

1:26:13

anything like that, when

1:26:17

you think about your

1:26:19

brother that maybe somebody might recognize should they

1:26:21

run into somebody who might be Dave on

1:26:23

the street? Anything like that? Well,

1:26:27

he did wear his glasses a lot, you

1:26:29

know, because he couldn't hardly see, you know,

1:26:32

he had bad vision. Then

1:26:34

he wore his glasses and also

1:26:36

he had two

1:26:38

tattoos, one on each arm.

1:26:40

One was an Indian scene

1:26:44

and then another one was like

1:26:46

a skull with hair flipped over

1:26:48

the skull. I'm

1:26:50

not sure what arm they was on. But

1:26:55

yeah, he had two tattoos. They

1:26:57

were both pretty big on each shoulder,

1:27:00

kind of like the shoulder part arm.

1:27:04

Okay. Maybe

1:27:06

I should go back and ask you this

1:27:08

as well. When you went in there and

1:27:10

noticed he wasn't around and looking around and

1:27:12

everything, did he take his medication with him?

1:27:15

If he left by himself, was clothes,

1:27:17

bag missing, was the medication still there?

1:27:21

The medication was still there. They had

1:27:23

like a toolbox of

1:27:25

drugs and pretty

1:27:27

much all of his medication was there as far as

1:27:30

I think. So

1:27:34

then let me ask you this then. Wayne,

1:27:36

did you ever encounter over the years, does

1:27:38

enough to be near his disappearance? But in

1:27:40

the years that he had been diagnosed with

1:27:42

this, everybody knew, who knew him well, knew

1:27:44

that he had this. When he

1:27:46

would be having one of these episodes, how

1:27:49

would he act, would he talk

1:27:53

about anything in particular when he was having

1:27:55

one of these episodes? This is just an

1:27:57

example of, you know, people who have been

1:27:59

diagnosed with this. people may be going through some mental

1:28:01

health issue, they may become very conspiratorial,

1:28:03

like for example, like the government's after

1:28:06

them or something like that. Was

1:28:08

Dave like that or when he was having one

1:28:10

of these episodes maybe didn't take his medication as

1:28:12

quick or right as he should, what

1:28:15

would he start talking about? What would

1:28:17

his fascinations be under these

1:28:19

conditions? Do you remember? Well,

1:28:22

I could notice that when

1:28:24

the drug was wearing off, a

1:28:27

month or two later when he

1:28:30

was getting ready to get his

1:28:32

other shot that he let a

1:28:34

lot of people run over him and

1:28:36

let, you know, he did whatever he

1:28:38

wanted to cause he was nervous about

1:28:40

everything, stuff like that,

1:28:42

I just noticed that. Okay.

1:28:45

So there wasn't any particular topic or

1:28:47

topics that would come

1:28:50

to mind, you know,

1:28:52

that he would obsess upon under

1:28:55

this situation. No,

1:28:57

nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, that jumps out

1:28:59

at you. Okay. All

1:29:03

right, and once again, you have the

1:29:05

green, the green duffel bag and

1:29:08

with seemingly clothes and

1:29:10

things missing, so all right.

1:29:15

I should go back and ask you this one

1:29:17

more thing about the neighbor who came over and

1:29:19

turned off the music. Was

1:29:23

this the first time the neighbor ever did this? Did

1:29:25

he ever have any complaints or maybe it's a she?

1:29:29

Ever have any complaints about

1:29:31

Dave playing music too

1:29:33

loud? No,

1:29:36

and he didn't mention to

1:29:38

me afterwards, you

1:29:40

know, at that time, but he

1:29:43

did tell me later on that

1:29:45

he had never had Dave

1:29:47

do that before. It

1:29:49

had been a complaint, never, never,

1:29:52

Dave always kept this music down.

1:29:54

He never played it loud at all. Okay.

1:30:00

being that you lived with him for a few weeks

1:30:02

how common was it that that radio

1:30:04

would be on? He

1:30:08

liked to sit out back and just

1:30:11

you know it was open field or you know look you

1:30:15

know he liked to relax

1:30:17

out back there was

1:30:19

no five minute out there and he just

1:30:21

liked to sit out there in

1:30:23

the music pretty much. Okay so

1:30:25

it's not it would not have been

1:30:27

unusual for the radio to be on

1:30:29

it's just unusual of what the neighbor

1:30:31

said how loud it was that particular

1:30:33

morning. Yes

1:30:36

absolutely. And

1:30:38

we have to establish one more thing

1:30:40

maybe about this this camera

1:30:42

that's somewhere in the in the

1:30:44

neighborhood that's focused on the

1:30:47

building that the car

1:30:49

is seen going in but nobody has

1:30:51

seen walking away whether it's Dave or

1:30:53

any other person at least on

1:30:55

camera. Yes.

1:30:59

How difficult

1:31:01

has this been? Of course I'm talking

1:31:03

to you you have all these siblings

1:31:05

of of course you're the biological sibling

1:31:07

but still of course all these other

1:31:09

kids adopted this fantastic story there. How

1:31:12

has this affected all of you over the past

1:31:14

you know it's just over four years how has

1:31:17

it been? How often does Dave's name come

1:31:19

up? How often do you talk about them?

1:31:22

You know what's been like the last four years? We

1:31:26

talk about him all the time

1:31:28

about you know wish we knew

1:31:30

something or wish that he

1:31:32

was here with us because we miss him

1:31:34

so much and everything and

1:31:38

that pretty much my

1:31:41

sister she was we

1:31:43

were both Bulldogs when it

1:31:45

first happened you know she was trying to

1:31:47

find out this and that and find out

1:31:49

different things and and

1:31:52

she would pass flyers out

1:31:54

over where she lived and

1:31:57

and I passed flyers out. And

1:32:00

it's just like there ain't nothing that

1:32:02

ever came of anything. We miss him

1:32:04

so much We

1:32:08

used to have fun together. I mean even even

1:32:11

at Christmas time you would have wrestling

1:32:13

matches I got it

1:32:15

all on vid you know and Almost

1:32:18

actually fell into the and I called

1:32:21

him before he fell into

1:32:23

TV. I said you're right He said

1:32:25

well, maybe I better shut down cuz

1:32:27

I you know younger kids doing it

1:32:30

Nothing like us older guys doing it. You

1:32:32

know I'm saying yeah, I do yes

1:32:36

right, right See

1:32:39

he comes up Living

1:32:41

room where we had to wrestling match and

1:32:43

you know, you know how guys do we

1:32:45

think we're better than anybody else? And we

1:32:48

can wrestle and you know, my brothers were

1:32:50

all into wrestling Back

1:32:52

in the day, you know Your

1:32:54

ones anyways, okay So

1:32:58

he's on your mind a lot Yes

1:33:03

and you said you

1:33:07

Who actually lives now you or

1:33:09

your youngest brother now lives in the actual place

1:33:11

where Dave and his wife lived Which one of

1:33:13

you lives in it now? It's

1:33:20

a kind of I got asked being they When

1:33:23

you go over to your youngest brothers and walk in there that

1:33:25

kind of creepy You know you think

1:33:27

about Dave and all the times you were in there with

1:33:29

them You know what? Um,

1:33:33

yeah a little bit. I really do Now

1:33:36

when it first happened, I I couldn't

1:33:38

stay there. I don't know. It's just

1:33:40

eerie really weird eerie

1:33:42

feeling I don't know.

1:33:45

I had a thing where I Felt

1:33:48

like that if I would sleep there and

1:33:50

then he would come back I'd get scared

1:33:52

or something I don't know. It's just paranoid.

1:33:54

There's a little bit with me. I guess

1:34:00

Okay, and how

1:34:02

does your youngest brother feel about living

1:34:05

in that place Where

1:34:07

we're down, you know, I guess I guess it's

1:34:09

work it out for him and I'm happy You

1:34:11

know, it's always nice to keep something in the

1:34:13

family like that. But how

1:34:15

does he felt feel about it? He

1:34:19

likes it he likes over there.

1:34:21

So, you know have any complaints

1:34:23

or anything? Okay

1:34:27

All right. Now he was a little bit younger

1:34:29

when Dave disappeared. So, you know, he was living

1:34:33

at my mom and dad's he was still Again

1:34:36

as late teens

1:34:40

We live there. So he don't remember

1:34:42

a lot about you know him. They

1:34:44

wasn't really that close to be honest

1:34:47

Okay, you know other than yes get together

1:34:49

forget together stuff like that. And we of

1:34:51

course you have to remember There's like a

1:34:53

30 year age gap Yes,

1:34:56

right that does that doesn't help either I mean both

1:34:58

of you are Gen Xers like me

1:35:00

and he's in his 20s which would make them

1:35:02

I don't know millennial or whatever they call him

1:35:04

Gen Z or something So different

1:35:07

tastes and music and culture and everything

1:35:09

else. So maybe that's not unusual Yes,

1:35:13

yeah, okay First

1:35:17

of all before we complete this

1:35:19

interview. I need to thank former

1:35:22

guest Julian who put me in

1:35:24

contact, right? You know Julian correct?

1:35:27

Daryl I don't know personally,

1:35:29

but I'm on the Facebook

1:35:32

unidentified People.

1:35:34

Yeah, and that's how he got in

1:35:37

contact with me and told me about

1:35:39

you. All right, great Well, I have

1:35:41

to and if everybody's wondering well, who's

1:35:43

Joey Julian? Was

1:35:46

the guest for the Judy Brown and Richard

1:35:48

Riesenberg? Disappearances from

1:35:50

the 1970s in New York City where

1:35:52

if you don't know if you

1:35:54

don't know this Maybe you're finding this

1:35:56

out for the first time Daryl Julie

1:35:59

Brown was Joyan's

1:36:01

cousin and she went missing

1:36:03

in the 1970s with this guy Richard

1:36:05

Reasonberg who was a convicted murderer and

1:36:09

they're both still missing. So

1:36:13

we had covered that disappearance. I'm looking on

1:36:15

my list here. That was disappearance number 285

1:36:17

that we covered on and found and we're

1:36:22

now up to 329.

1:36:24

So it's been a little while since

1:36:26

Joyan was on but he and I

1:36:28

keep in contact and I'm so thankful

1:36:30

that he reached out to

1:36:32

you and we've gotten to

1:36:35

speak here today. By

1:36:37

the way, this interview was done on April

1:36:39

21st of 2024. Any final words, Daryl, before

1:36:46

we complete this interview? Just

1:36:50

that we love my brother so much

1:36:52

and we hope that something

1:36:55

comes about on finding him.

1:36:59

We all miss him so much and

1:37:01

you know either

1:37:03

way we want to know for

1:37:05

closure purposes that what happened

1:37:09

or what. Where

1:37:11

is that? Okay.

1:37:16

Daryl, thank you for being on this episode of

1:37:18

Unfound. Well,

1:37:20

thank you very much. I appreciate it.

1:37:24

You're welcome. And

1:37:26

that was my April 21st, 2024

1:37:30

interview with Daryl Fugate, brother

1:37:33

of David Fugate. I

1:37:35

thank him for joining me and

1:37:38

all of you on this episode. As

1:37:42

I stated in the interview, I made

1:37:44

a map video for this disappearance. Please

1:37:47

check it out on Unfound's

1:37:49

YouTube channel. Some

1:37:52

of Unfound's most astute listeners

1:37:54

may remember that we've covered

1:37:56

a few other disappearances where

1:37:58

vehicles became a point

1:38:01

of contention. Can

1:38:03

you name at least a couple of them? Take

1:38:07

a moment. If

1:38:12

Sandy Knipe and Andy

1:38:14

Chapman came to mind, you're

1:38:16

exactly right, and I

1:38:18

think there are a few others. Situations

1:38:21

where missing people's vehicles ended

1:38:23

up in some other people's

1:38:25

possessions somehow.

1:38:29

And yes, I think in most of those cases

1:38:32

foul play has certainly been

1:38:34

considered by both myself and

1:38:37

many of you. Meaning, if

1:38:40

you're thinking that Joe having David's truck

1:38:43

and not wanting to give it

1:38:45

back could have caused David's disappearance,

1:38:48

that makes all the sense in the world. David's

1:38:51

over there, an argument starts,

1:38:54

and something happens. Maybe

1:38:57

even unintentional. Then

1:38:59

Joe drives David's wife's car back

1:39:01

to the house. Yet,

1:39:04

I think we must look at this from

1:39:06

Joe's point of view. If

1:39:08

it's true that he was paying Dave to use

1:39:11

the truck, and Joe knew

1:39:13

he was doing so, so Dave could even

1:39:16

own a truck in the first place, I

1:39:19

can see why Joe might be ticked off,

1:39:22

that Dave's family demanded he give

1:39:24

Dave's truck back. Not

1:39:26

saying he was correct, but

1:39:29

I would understand his

1:39:31

frustration. So

1:39:33

at least how Joe acted toward Dave's

1:39:36

family, I'm not

1:39:38

sure that is necessarily suspicious.

1:39:41

However, the concern is

1:39:43

the text between Dave and

1:39:45

Joe. Dave wanting the

1:39:47

truck back and Joe not

1:39:50

wanting to give it back right before

1:39:52

Dave went missing. What's

1:39:54

clear to me is Dave wanted

1:39:56

the truck back because his wife

1:39:58

died. That the text's a occurred and

1:40:01

Julie died the day before is surely

1:40:04

not a coincidence. We

1:40:06

might consider that Dave wanted the truck

1:40:09

back so he could sell it

1:40:11

to finance the funeral. There's

1:40:14

a problem though. That truck

1:40:16

was leased. It was

1:40:18

not Dave's. It was the

1:40:20

leasing company's. Still,

1:40:22

I think Dave wanted the

1:40:24

truck back because Julie died. What

1:40:27

is in Joe's favor though is Dave

1:40:30

was alive the next morning even

1:40:33

though Dave went over to Joe's the

1:40:35

night before. You would

1:40:37

think that if violence would have occurred, it would

1:40:40

have happened when Dave arrived the

1:40:42

night before and

1:40:44

not the next morning because

1:40:47

we can't imagine that Dave might have

1:40:49

gone over to Joe's for the expressed

1:40:51

purpose of getting the truck back. Yet

1:40:55

Dave talked to his mother on the morning

1:40:57

of the 29th. Likewise,

1:41:00

if Joe is responsible, then that

1:41:02

means he set up Dave's house

1:41:04

to make it look like Dave

1:41:07

took off. Is

1:41:09

this reasonable? You

1:41:12

be the judge. All

1:41:14

we can really say for

1:41:16

sure is there was a funeral

1:41:20

and a disappearance. If

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