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Hello, and welcome to the

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at episode of Raviya

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and Ellen solve the cake. Hi, Raviya.

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Hi, Ellen. How are you? You look

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beautiful. Look amazing

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too. You're so cute.

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I

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am so happy hopefully, some people

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stuck around after our intro episode,

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and they know we're actually gonna talk about True Crime.

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and not just talk about, you know, our favorite colors

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and us taking a trip to Pakistan Yeah. --

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and our secret crushes -- Yeah. -- and

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your lips. Of course. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Well, we are gonna dive right in.

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Now, as we said in our intro episode,

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Robbie and I wanted to have a

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little episode where we

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solve the case before we invite

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our guests onto the episode.

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And Robbie said to me, what

2:36

case do you wanna do? And it was probably

2:38

the easiest conversation we've had thus far.

2:40

I think it took, like, two text messages and

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we're, like, in. We're in. It's done. So

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we're gonna be talking about the murder of

2:46

Lacey Peterson. So why was this

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so easy for us to decide do you think?

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I think because we are

2:52

decades out from this case, right, when it actually

2:55

took place in two thousand and two. And

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I all of us were riveted

2:59

by it. Right? Like, it it just triggered this

3:01

incredibly deep emotional response.

3:03

Across the country, we

3:06

all were part of the mob And,

3:08

you know, I look back at that and I am deeply

3:10

ashamed. That was the time well before,

3:12

like, cereal and, like, this turn into crime.

3:15

I was still in law

3:16

school, by the way,

3:17

when we started realizing that, oh,

3:19

things can go wrong and everything you hear in media is

3:21

not always right. And so all these years later,

3:23

like, we have like,

3:24

evidence coming forward that actually

3:27

existed then, but was drowned out

3:29

and nobody heard it or listened to it. that

3:33

made me realize that this is a

3:34

very problematic conviction. It

3:36

really is. And now we

3:39

made a conscious decision to today,

3:42

we're really we're gonna talk about

3:44

this case, but we're really

3:45

gonna talk in fact.

3:48

Now I, of course, am a lawyer, and

3:50

Raviya is too. But I think

3:52

that's really, really important. because

3:55

chances are everyone who's listening

3:57

is probably well acquainted with

3:59

this case, you know, unless you're new

4:01

to the Earth. But we're gonna

4:03

We're born after two thousand and two, which is

4:05

possible. Sure. But

4:08

like you said, there are some facts that

4:10

people don't know. Some of it might be

4:12

some reminders, and

4:14

some of it, you know, might be new information.

4:17

But we're really gonna focus on

4:19

the fact of the case. And

4:21

I think we all understand though

4:23

why everyone is so drawn

4:26

to this case. I wanna ask you what you remember

4:28

at that time. First of all, where were you in your life

4:30

in that moment? I told you I was in law school.

4:32

I was in San Francisco. I'm from

4:34

the Bay Area. You were right there. Yeah.

4:36

And after I graduated college, I

4:39

went back and worked on a show there.

4:41

You could not go to a supermarket, you

4:43

could not turn on the TV without

4:45

Nancy Grace barking in your face

4:48

at any moment. So I

4:50

was deeply embedded and

4:52

invest did in this case and the outcome

4:55

for that matter. And the thing is, like, this

4:57

also came not too long

4:59

after the OJ Simpson, Chase

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that riveted us, the trial that

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was, like, every single day and every spectacle

5:06

was televised. And at

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that point, the media knew, like, when you get

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a case like that, that you this is big

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ratings. It's big business. It's

5:14

big viewership. This case was a media

5:17

circus from the first day, and it was deliberately

5:19

so because the police wanted it like that.

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And when you do that, you do not have

5:23

a defendant who begins a trial

5:25

with a presumption of innocence. It's impossible.

5:28

It's impossible. But, do we talk about, like, kind

5:30

of set up, like, the the broad view of kinda what happened?

5:33

Yeah. What I would love everyone to do

5:35

today if possible, is

5:37

just kind of listened with new ears.

5:40

I think that's really important because

5:42

in our research, you'll hear a lot

5:44

of probabilities A

5:46

lot of may have been, a lot

5:48

of it's assumed, and

5:50

I guess my big question in

5:53

reinvestigating and diving into this case

5:55

again is do probabies

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and maybies and may have been

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measure up to the standard of

6:02

reasonable doubt. Beyond reasonable doubt. Right?

6:04

That's what Beyond a reasonable doubt. beyond

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a reasonable too. I'm sorry. I just

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It was the it's it's a small

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academy in Northern Ireland.

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law academy -- Oh. -- the law.

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Yeah. So Yeah. It's it's prestigious.

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You did a great job.

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Thank you so much.

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But let's let's just dive

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in with our overview. Yeah. Okay.

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So I can set this up. So it

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is Christmas Eve, two thousand two, December

6:30

twenty four, two thousand two. So it's a sleepy,

6:33

little news night, not a lot's going on, everybody's

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home, but it's in the daytime. And Lacey

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and Scott Peterson are a married a couple,

6:39

young, beautiful couple. They live in Modesto,

6:41

California. And basically

6:44

that day, Scott Peterson says, you know,

6:46

they've got the day off the evening. They're gonna have dinner

6:48

with his in laws, Lacey's parents. So he

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decides to go on a fishing trip, and he just

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got a new little aluminum boat, nothing

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fancy, like this tiny little dengue, dengue,

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and Lacey has her plans for

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the day. And when he gets home, she's gone.

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And she's eight months pregnant, by the way, that's

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also very, very important. And I think that's

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also why people were so, like I

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mean, there's so many things that, like, droop were the case.

7:10

Right? She's young, she's pretty she's

7:12

a young white woman. He also is like a young

7:14

attractive guy, but it's like, oh, he's probably

7:16

the psychopath. And then she's pregnant. So it's

7:18

like, on Christmas Eve, the virgin Mary

7:20

herself is being attacked. Right? Like, there's, like,

7:23

he's kind of yeah. And so she

7:25

disappears. They don't know what happened, but

7:27

really from the get go. The police are looking at the

7:29

husband as is like normal police

7:31

procedure. And and the body her

7:33

body and her son's body are found, like,

7:35

three and a half months later. In, like, the San Francisco

7:38

Bay area, basically, in the water. remember he had

7:40

been fishing. So that's those are like a big kind of

7:42

facts of the case. And then he's arrested. And

7:44

faces trial I

7:47

don't like sweeping statements, but I'm gonna say

7:49

a child almost like we've never seen before

7:52

in terms of media frenzy.

7:54

Yeah. I mean, OJ, OJ was pretty up

7:56

there. But

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But, you know, Ajay proved that this

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is like

7:59

sellable stuff. People want this.

8:02

Somehow, people who have jobs still managed

8:04

to watch that trial every single day. Absolutely.

8:07

The twenty four hour news cycle, remember,

8:10

is a thing in our life. It wasn't always

8:12

a thing. It was pretty new thing. You know? Yeah.

8:14

So that's kind of the overview of

8:17

the case. That is the Wikipedia really

8:20

fast elevator pitch -- Yeah. -- of this

8:22

case. So to understand

8:24

where this all started, we do know that

8:26

Lacey went missing on Christmas Eve, but

8:28

to actually understand the intricacies of

8:31

kind of this very specific

8:33

timeline. We have to go back to

8:35

December twenty third. Well, the reason we go

8:37

back is not so much because it helps

8:40

kind of prove Scott's defense to a certain

8:42

extent, and I'll get into why. So

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on the twenty third, Lacey is a sister named

8:46

Amy who has a hair salon and

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they go over there and she gives got a haircut.

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And she shows Lacey, like, how to curl

8:53

her hair with a curling iron, so it flips up. So

8:55

it looks cute for Christmas. And, you know, they

8:57

just hang out, and Amy tells leaves on the

8:59

day that she disappears, that when her sister came

9:01

to visit her, she was wearing tan pants

9:03

and a black blouse that had tiny flowers

9:06

on it. So she remembers exactly what

9:08

her sister's wearing. And the next day when

9:10

Lacey is reported missing and the police start

9:12

searching the house, they find that exact

9:14

outfit. Like, in, like so

9:16

Lacey is not dressed in the same

9:19

clothing that she was when like, you know, she clearly

9:21

has gotten out of those clothes at some point. And

9:23

the reason that's important because The police's

9:25

entire theory is this. Okay?

9:27

That Scott killed Lacey on the night

9:29

of the twenty third not on the twenty fourth.

9:31

They killed on the night of the twenty third. Like, they

9:33

came back from

9:34

the hair salon.

9:36

Maybe they had dinner, maybe they didn't. He says

9:38

they had dinner and watched some TV and

9:40

went to bed. But then he killed her on that night,

9:42

they wrapped her in tarp, stuck her

9:45

in in middle of the night on the back of his

9:47

truck so nobody in that neighborhood could see. If

9:49

you know anything about this

9:50

case, you have definitely seen footage. These are houses

9:52

right next each other. We're not talking about acres between

9:54

they're, like, right next to each other.

9:55

And the police stuck with this theory, the

9:58

state stuck with it throughout the trial

10:00

because they would not have been able to explain

10:02

that he killed her on the twenty fourth because there would have been no time

10:04

to get her into the truck. There were too many people around.

10:06

So they had to stick with that. But Scott says

10:08

we

10:08

came home to change gotten to her

10:11

PJAs, you know, this is what she was wearing.

10:12

They actually found her PJs also that she'd been

10:14

wearing the night before because he said that she got up the next

10:17

day and showered and I changed again. They found

10:19

the PJs that he said, So it's those things

10:21

gonna track with what he's saying, and that's why that's

10:23

important to know that either like,

10:25

if he had actually killed her that night, that means he killed

10:27

her after she changed. The point

10:29

is that's one more detail of his story that

10:31

matches up to like what other people are saying to.

10:33

So Scott had mentioned a Lacey's sister, Amy,

10:35

that night, you know, casual conversation. He was

10:38

gonna go golfing the next day, pick

10:40

up gift baskets, and they actually

10:42

invited Amy over that night. and

10:44

she had plans. They were just like, we're just gonna

10:46

order pizzas and, you know, watch football. So

10:49

the idea that the police were going with

10:51

was that he killed her Scott

10:53

also had a warehouse about nine minutes

10:56

from their home -- Yeah. -- and

10:58

he kept the boat there and he had a computer

11:00

there. Now something to know with this

11:02

theory that this is how he did it,

11:05

his truck did not fit in the warehouse. So

11:07

so he would have had to whatever their

11:09

theory is, he would have had to

11:12

have dumbness all outside. But

11:14

we know that Lacey called her mom

11:16

on the night of the twenty third at eight thirty,

11:19

and that was the last conversation

11:22

sadly that Sharon had with her daughter.

11:24

There are so many things that

11:27

discredit this twenty third

11:29

murder that happened. Yeah.

11:32

It's very hard for the police to make the argument that

11:34

he killed around twenty third. However, they're

11:36

kinda stuck in a way because

11:38

they're like, well, if you killed her than twenty and

11:40

the twenty fourth is nearly impossible because so

11:43

many people saw her. But I think let's go through what

11:45

Scott says he did that morning and and what him and Lacey

11:47

did that morning. I think it's important to do. So Scott

11:49

said that Lacey woke up at about

11:51

seven AM and she put those

11:54

pajama pants. She was wearing these, like, blue pajama

11:56

pants that were actually his because probably,

11:58

you know, her eight month belly was wanted

12:01

something not tight on her or something. She

12:03

put them in the hamper, and we know that to be true

12:05

because they found the pajamas when they searched

12:07

the home. And we know that Lacey

12:10

logged on to her computer at

12:12

eight forty in the morning and she

12:14

had shopped for a red scarf

12:16

and a sunflower umbrella,

12:18

and she logged off at eight

12:20

forty five. So, well, hold on a second.

12:23

So, when the when the police realized that

12:25

somebody had been on the home computer at eight

12:27

forty AM, they're like, oh, that had to be

12:29

Scott because Lacey's dead as far as their current.

12:31

Right? But making the argument that Scott

12:33

was with his wife's dead body and his

12:35

truck was shopping for a red Gap

12:38

scarf and a sunflower umbrella

12:40

stand. I

12:42

mean, water strikes. Right? Oh, but

12:44

the state will argue and they did argue that this is

12:46

how clever he is. He's making it look

12:48

like she's still alive. Right? He's like creating

12:50

all these little things that, oh, that was Lacey doing

12:53

it. But Lacey was obsessed with sunflower.

12:55

She likes sunflower and everything. So anyhow

12:57

going on. Yeah. We're giving this dude

12:59

a lot of credit for the amount of planning

13:01

that he had the foresight to say, oh, let

13:03

me log on this computer. Do something

13:06

that my, you know, silly sunflower

13:09

loving wife would do. I mean -- Yeah. -- they're

13:11

throwing their shoulders out with that room. With a dead

13:13

body in your truck outside of the daylight.

13:15

outside in broad daylight. And come on.

13:18

Exactly. So Scott tells

13:20

us that as the day progressed, Lacey

13:22

told him that she was gonna walk the dog

13:25

and go to the store, she was gonna make this

13:27

delicious sounding French toast. I'm starving.

13:30

And Yeah. For their for their Christmas Eve dinner

13:32

with the family. Yeah. Right. But

13:34

something else that discredits their

13:37

original twenty third story

13:40

was that remember that photo in the

13:42

bathroom with the curling iron -- A hundred

13:45

percent. -- so the

13:47

house cleaner had testified that she

13:49

had cleaned that house and

13:51

on the twenty third, and there

13:53

was no curling iron. So obviously, Lacey

13:56

was practicing that hairdo. that

13:58

her sister Amy had taught her and

14:00

we see a picture of that in the evidence from

14:02

when they searched the house. Right. So there there

14:04

is a clear photograph of that curling iron. It's still

14:06

plugged in. It's in the map room. And again,

14:09

if to the average person to

14:11

the reasonable mind, it would be evidence that

14:14

Lacey came home and plugged it in. Now,

14:16

the police could argue, well, she did it the night

14:18

before, right before she was killed. She practiced,

14:20

but her hair had all been curled. Right? By her sister.

14:23

Scott said, Scott, actually, when he was interviewed, he

14:25

was interviewed that same night. He said, yeah. This

14:27

morning, she was

14:27

curling her hair. She was doing

14:29

all these things. He he said that he remembered

14:31

looking watching her and thinking she looks so when

14:33

she did it in the morning, and they found,

14:35

like, the evidence to back it up. But like I

14:37

said, the prosecutor was like, oh, yeah. because he set

14:39

that up too. Yeah. Truly, they're

14:41

giving this man genius level credit

14:44

for the planning of this murder happening

14:46

the way they said it. I could come. I have straight

14:48

hair down to almost my waist. If I could get

14:50

a full perm and my husband would notice, I don't

14:53

know what they're talking about. There's no way. I

14:55

could show up with like blonde curls

14:58

and my husband would have no idea that

15:00

I did that. You know what I mean? Like, that

15:02

kind of attention to detail requires a woman.

15:05

absolutely all in favor of Robbie

15:07

a going blonde. Raise your hand. I you

15:10

could pull up anything

15:10

honestly.