There’s been a spike in drone attacks by both Ukraine and Russia. Ukrainians have recently targeted Russian oil refineries, while Russians have used drones to target the port of Odesa.

So could drones change the course of the war?

Ukraine correspondent James Waterhouse and drone expert Samuel Bendett unpick the strategies and technologies behind drone warfare.

And we hear from drone operator Ruda, a mother-of-two, who trains Ukrainians how to pilot drones.

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