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Good afternoon. It's Friday the seventy Two,

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May Twenty Twenty four just after one

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o'clock Welcome to your take on use.

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I'm your host, my problems and Johnny

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me Today we have been Ruben, Debbie

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Evans and Charles Grand. You're so welcome

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the program, All I've got lots to

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get through to. They will get started

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with the incident with Sir Robert Feature

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on Wednesday at This was happening just

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as we were in the middle of

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extra and we saw. Some. Of

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the headlines coming in was being discussed in

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the chat box and so on. but I

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wanted to look at the what's behind this

0:41

because first of all bringing on the interior

0:43

minister from Slovakia. He was

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suggesting that Slovakia's on the verge of

0:48

civil war. The gunman shot five times.

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The first information we have is it

0:52

was a politically motivated act. But the

0:55

question in my mind is is it

0:57

politically motivated in the sense of local

0:59

politics or something else going on My

1:02

before we answer that question, that's just

1:04

have a look at some of the

1:06

mainstream media coverage from the Uk. So.

1:09

Really? The this message from mainstream media

1:12

the Uk her is has been. well

1:14

he was a friend of Russia, so

1:16

you know, why worry about it as

1:18

the telegraph here Hi rush Robert Feet

1:20

so sad turned Slovakia into one of

1:23

Russia's only allies. The country's Prime minister's

1:25

report reportedly in a life threatening condition

1:27

after assassination attempt at the Financial Times

1:29

had a similar take on it. but

1:31

they were sir harking back to this

1:34

article from a month or so ago.

1:36

know? I think this was sir. Yeah,

1:38

April Twenty forty four. Pro

1:40

Russia candidate Peter Pellegrini

1:42

elected Slovakia. Presidents. Of

1:45

messages that that Slovakia has become

1:47

a pro Russia country. this was

1:49

The Guardian yesterday. He's borrowing from

1:52

Trump the rise of Robert Feet,

1:54

so as Slovakia's populace later, so

1:57

we're getting the message very strongly

1:59

here. that he was a Trump-like figure

2:01

and therefore not a

2:03

flavor of the month with the

2:06

West. And indeed, here's Foreign Policy

2:08

magazine. Russia just helped swing a

2:10

European election. So the presidential election

2:13

in Slovakia is being

2:15

blamed on Russia, the result of that, because

2:17

the West doesn't like it, and therefore Russian

2:19

disinformation was what it was all about. Slovakia

2:22

swamped by disinformation ahead of

2:24

parliamentary elections, said France 24,

2:28

back in September last year. At

2:30

the Atlantic Council in April this

2:33

year, Slovakia's presidential choice reinforces its

2:35

anti-Western leanings. And

2:38

here is SIPA. Slovak

2:40

vote shows need for NATO action

2:43

on Russian disinformation. So the

2:45

question is what kind of action was taken

2:47

on the issue of Russian disinformation? Well, the

2:50

famous Ukrainian organization, the Center

2:52

for Countering Disinformation, decided to put

2:54

Robert Fizzo on their hit list.

2:56

Now, the hit list on this website

2:58

has been taken down now, but it's still available on the

3:00

Wayback Machine. If you want to go and have a look

3:03

at all the names that they had

3:05

on this list, it is effectively a kill list. It

3:07

was a kill list. And it seems,

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well, I'm going to suggest that perhaps this

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isn't all about domestic politics.

3:15

So looking at the telegraph here from

3:18

September last year, we won't send

3:20

another bulleted Kiev, says Slovakia's Prime

3:22

Minister front runner, Robert

3:24

Fizzo, made it absolutely clear from September

3:26

last year that he was not supporting

3:28

the Ukrainian war, had no intention of

3:30

supporting the Ukrainian war. And since he's

3:32

been prime minister, he has not been

3:34

supporting the Ukrainian war. But

3:37

here's political. Slovak PM

3:39

sends EU NATO members

3:41

weighing sending troops to

3:44

Ukraine. So he says EU NATO

3:46

members weighing sending troops to Ukraine. So

3:49

the fact that France was intending to

3:51

send or was contemplating sending troops to

3:53

Ukraine for boots on the ground was

3:56

exposed by Robert Fizzo. So is

3:59

it a coincidence? and that within a few weeks

4:02

he's been shot. I don't know. I just

4:04

make the point that, of course, Slovakia, like

4:06

most countries, is on the receiving

4:08

end of the NGO-CSO

4:11

complex. So

4:13

just one example, Open Society

4:16

Foundation in Slovakia. So therefore,

4:19

there is a big attempt from

4:21

the West to make sure that the

4:23

Western narratives portrayed in the media and

4:26

in politics in Slovakia, it hasn't gone

4:28

the West's way. And

4:31

perhaps this is an example of

4:33

that. So I'm going to

4:36

leave that there. I'm just going to end

4:38

this segment with a short

4:40

piece of video. You

4:42

may have seen this, but this took place in

4:44

the European Parliament a couple of

4:46

weeks ago. What

4:49

I'd like to say is that this is my last

4:51

intervention in the Parliament. I would like to wish the

4:53

whole of Europe, the whole of the world, the

4:57

Russians and the Ukrainians, I wish everybody peace.

5:00

And if I may, I would

5:03

like to set free this bird

5:06

as a symbol of peace, to

5:09

symbolize that Europe needs

5:11

peace. Let's let

5:13

this dove fly above all

5:16

of Europe. Let's let this

5:18

dove unite all of us. Let

5:20

this dove as a symbol of peace.

5:22

I've realized that what we need most

5:24

is really peace. So

5:29

Slovakian politicians in

5:31

the European Parliament at its home

5:33

calling for peace, absolutely calling for

5:35

peace, refusing to arm the

5:38

Ukrainian conflict, the Ukrainian

5:40

side and exposing the fact

5:42

that the West is considering putting boots on

5:44

the ground in Ukraine. So

5:46

again, I'm just going to say to

5:48

finish off, I question whether

5:50

this was a domestic political thing.

5:53

But Ben, I don't really want

5:55

to hijack you here. But one of the things

5:57

that struck me about this whole thing in

5:59

the the last couple of days is the

6:01

narrative that MPs are therefore not safe. This

6:05

is something that we've heard in the UK and

6:08

in mainland Europe as well, but when we

6:10

look at how many MPs have actually been

6:12

on the receiving end of this activity, it

6:15

does seem a bit strange

6:17

that MPs are going to be

6:19

told they're going to be scared of their electorates. Do

6:22

you think MPs should be scared of their electorates

6:24

from a physical standpoint? I

6:29

don't think that we should live in a world

6:31

where they should fear for their safety out on

6:33

the street, but the idea

6:35

that they should be immune from

6:37

scrutiny or justice is absurd and

6:40

achieving a balance between those two things

6:42

is absolutely crucial. Yes,

6:46

indeed it is. So now

6:49

let's move on from this and welcome

6:51

Debbie to the programme. And

6:54

Debbie, we've been

6:56

a lot of news over the last couple

6:58

of weeks with respect to AstraZeneca and therefore

7:00

connections to Oxford University.

7:03

What have you got for us on this? Yeah,

7:06

good afternoon everybody and thank you especially

7:08

to Sam and Kenny. You helped me

7:10

put this segment together because last week

7:13

we focused in on Dame Kate Bingham.

7:15

I'm sure you'll remember. Well today it's

7:17

the turn of Dame Sarah Gilbert, but

7:19

before I introduce Dame Sarah Gilbert and

7:22

our good friend Cheryl Granger,

7:24

who's a pharmaceutical training consultant, I want

7:26

to set the scene, but I want

7:28

to set it quite quickly for you

7:30

so you can see where we're going

7:32

with this. And if you know somebody

7:34

that's had an AstraZeneca injection or indeed

7:36

you have, I think you'll find this section very

7:38

interesting. So let's start off

7:41

with vaccinology because vaccinology is the

7:43

next big thing. If you're a

7:45

doctor or if you've majored in

7:47

something like immunology, you can become

7:50

a vaccinologist. And the reason

7:52

why this is important will become clear in

7:54

a minute because according to the guardians just

7:56

recently, we know that AstraZeneca has

7:58

been withdrawn. but they seem to

8:00

give us the impression that its

8:03

remarkable success must never be forgotten.

8:06

Really? Well, it goes on to

8:08

say that it's so remarkable that

8:10

actually it saved 6.3 million lives

8:13

in 2021 alone. Really?

8:15

I don't know where the evidence for

8:17

that is. Now, back in April 2020,

8:21

Oxford announced a partnership

8:23

with AstraZeneca to

8:25

upscale their recipe. So what you have

8:27

to bear in mind here is that

8:30

Oxford were cooking up

8:32

the recipe in their chemical kitchen and

8:34

then AstraZeneca agreed to upscale it, to

8:37

the license on, to deliver it to

8:39

everybody's arms. So just want you to,

8:41

if you just slip back to that

8:43

slide for two seconds, I want you

8:45

just to take notes of the bit

8:48

there where I've said Oxford University and

8:50

its spin-out company, Vexitec,

8:53

all of that will become clear in a minute.

8:55

So let's have a look at Oxford. Who is

8:58

responsible? Who is Oxford? So

9:00

the Oxford vaccine is a team.

9:03

So we've got Dame Sarah Gilbert,

9:05

Professor Andrew Pollard, Professor Therese Lamb,

9:07

Dr Sandy Douglas, Professor Catherine Green

9:10

and Professor Adrian Hill. Now they've

9:12

been busy developing vaccines for this

9:14

disease X. So let's go and

9:16

look at very quickly who this

9:19

Oxford team is. So

9:21

Professor Adrian Hill, Jenna

9:24

Oxford, Professor of Vaccinology.

9:27

Then we have Professor Andrew Pollard.

9:30

He's actually a Professor of Science

9:32

and Immunity, but with pediatric interests

9:34

as well. Then Dr

9:36

Sandy Douglas, he's into large-scale

9:38

manufacturing. He was actually responsible

9:40

for the two billion doses,

9:42

getting them in arms and

9:44

he's tied up to the

9:46

Welcome Institute as well. Then

9:48

we've got Theresa Lamb, Head

9:50

of Vaccine Immunology, Vaccinologist. And

9:53

then we've got Professor Catherine Green

9:55

at the Nuffield and Welcome Genetics.

9:57

And of course, let's not forget

9:59

Professor John Bell, who's just been

10:01

awarded a companion of honor, who's Regis,

10:03

he was a Regis Professor at Oxford.

10:06

And then finally, we

10:08

have Professor Dame Sarah

10:10

Gilbert, who is the

10:12

lead vaccinologist in Oxford.

10:15

Now I want to bring your attention to

10:18

a company called Berenthus Bio-Therapeutics.

10:20

Now this is a spinoff

10:22

from the Jenner and Oxford

10:25

Institutes, and they deal very

10:27

much in cancer and infectious

10:29

diseases. Let's have a look

10:31

at the investors of Berenthus

10:34

Bio-Therapeutics. Well, we have Cancer Research

10:36

UK, we've got Oxford of course, we've

10:38

got the Ludwig Cancer Research. But

10:41

when we go to look at the team for Berenthus,

10:43

we can see Sarah Gilbert

10:46

and Adrian Hill, the co-founders

10:49

of this very company. So I

10:51

went to company's house and

10:53

I looked them up, Berenthus

10:56

Bio-Therapeutics, and they were

10:58

originally Vaxitec. Well, Vaxitec of

11:00

course, were the company we

11:02

just mentioned, the spinoff from

11:04

Oxford. So let's go a little

11:07

bit further and have a look at the

11:09

directors, because we can see that Professor Adrian

11:11

Hill and Dame Sarah Gilbert,

11:13

both were directors

11:15

but have resigned. And

11:18

Dame Sarah Gilbert, she's

11:21

a very important person, she absolutely loved

11:23

it when she had a Barbie doll

11:25

made of her, because this is to

11:27

promote vaccinology

11:30

and to try to get

11:32

youngsters to become vaccinologists.

11:35

So Dame Sarah Gilbert

11:38

did a lovely lecture, the Richard

11:40

Dimbleby lecture, the 44th Richard Dimbleby

11:42

lecture, December 2021. Sometimes,

11:45

you know, words come back to haunt you. Let's

11:47

have a listen to what some of the things

11:49

that she said at the lecture. Usually,

11:53

we would not start work on the design

11:55

of a clinical trial until we had completed

11:57

all the animal trials. That way,

11:59

it's... The animals charles said the vaccine was

12:01

not face. On. Most effective we would

12:03

not have wasted time for parents and will

12:06

solve the could not go ahead. This.

12:08

Time we did all the clinical trial. Preparation while

12:11

the animal trials are still going on.

12:13

That. Way it was within days of receiving

12:15

the safety data from our animal trials

12:18

that we were pushing the first vaccine

12:20

into the arms of all first volunteers.

12:26

And then she went on to say

12:28

this. We

12:31

have also not done well in communicating

12:33

about the safety and benefits of vaccinating

12:35

pregnant women. A

12:37

year ago when vaccines for first

12:39

being rolled out, vaccination pregnant women

12:42

with not universally recommended. This is

12:44

the usual approach with new drugs

12:46

or vaccines. We wait for special

12:48

cities in animals explanation before or

12:50

just after conception and then waiting.

12:52

For the offspring to be born. And

12:55

we do, a city and pregnant women. And

12:57

only then is the vaccine recommended for use

12:59

in pregnant women Generally. A year

13:01

on, it is clear not only that

13:03

the covert vaccine is safe for pregnant women

13:06

and their babies, but also the underestimated

13:08

pregnant women and their babies are at high

13:10

risk if they become infected with posted. This

13:13

information has been slow to reach

13:15

pregnant women and even some midwives

13:17

and vaccination census. Although.

13:19

By It For Twenty Twenty One It was being

13:22

recommended that they be included in the vaccination roll

13:24

out in the Uk. By. The end

13:26

of October, only sixteen percent of

13:28

pregnant women had received to vaccinations.

13:31

And. Hindsight, pregnant women should perhaps the

13:33

been identified as a priority group

13:35

for vaccination. Starting from a full.

13:38

If we have highlighted the benefits rather

13:40

than only seeking. To remove concerns about

13:43

the risks, we could have avoided some

13:45

very poor outcomes for pregnant women. On

13:47

their basis. And

13:49

also completely unfounded scare stories about

13:51

since would affect facilities. To

13:54

be clear, data from vaccine trials of

13:56

fertility clinics has demonstrated that there was

13:58

no basis in fact for. The.

14:01

Communicating this to people who did not

14:03

receive that information from mainstream media is

14:05

a problem with Not Yet Salt. Ops

14:11

mainstream media was the problems. And before

14:13

I bring Cherilyn to comments on what

14:15

she's just said, I just want to

14:17

highlights that these. Three games.

14:21

Game. Professor. Sarah

14:23

Gilbert's. Made. The

14:25

Astra Zeneca. Solution.

14:28

Dame. Caped Bingham. She.

14:30

Distributed it. She. Preaches

14:32

it, And Dame

14:34

General rain approved debts. And

14:37

on that nights I'm really very grateful

14:39

to Cheryl. He's got a lot more

14:42

information on what Dame Sarah Gilbert just

14:44

said. Cheryl Welcomes Uk column. Thank you

14:46

so much and go right ahead. The

14:48

floor is yours. Fence

14:51

that be Hello everybody Yes to

14:53

a snippet it's or three sniff

14:55

it says a video that just

14:57

want to comment on and case

14:59

being can provide the means to

15:02

fund global clinical trials and and

15:04

what you put think about is

15:06

what was known at that time

15:08

during twenty twenty says the infection

15:10

fatality rate was no point know

15:12

nine six percent it was listed

15:14

in Hum sought and then average

15:16

age is as death was h

15:18

two point five The virus have

15:20

been downgraded. From a highly infectious disease.

15:22

By the nineteenth, but before we went

15:24

into lockdown and and basically this guy

15:26

is being there is it's and it's

15:28

you, The virus. The said as the

15:31

been down because for example in the

15:33

state seat a behave differently. in bordering

15:35

states and to the lots of things

15:37

that we knew about goods in the

15:40

meantime say was been raised to demand

15:42

a rush to that see developments and

15:44

of his degenerated demand and allies will

15:47

be pushed that this vaccine is the

15:49

only thing that could help in the

15:51

pandemic so world generating a as

15:53

demand that we needed this i think

15:56

so dot venture capitalists and to provide

15:58

funds and they weren't concerned about whether

16:00

it's a safe and effective treatment. The

16:03

vaccinologist with a narrow vision of producing a

16:05

vaccine at all costs, but they wanted to

16:07

be the successful vaccine and they wanted to

16:09

be the first. And that was a bit

16:12

about the state. We needed this as soon

16:14

as possible. And then obviously

16:16

the clinical trials, they usually

16:18

follow an application to the MHRA

16:20

and then they're reviewed by medical,

16:23

scientific and ethical experts. And then

16:25

they follow the declaration of Helsinki,

16:27

which shows that participants well being

16:30

should take precedence over scientific knowledge.

16:32

So all that is a background

16:35

to what she's been saying. And

16:37

this rush, rush, rush bit from animal

16:40

trials being held concurrently with the

16:42

clinical trials is something that's never

16:44

been done before. So the reason

16:46

being it takes about billion pound

16:48

to develop a drug. Obviously

16:51

they have to get the funding

16:53

for that. And if they do

16:55

an animal study and they find

16:57

out that it's not successful, then that can

16:59

stop anything being developed further.

17:02

But in this case, they had the funding

17:04

and there was no liability and they did

17:07

the animal trials and

17:10

the clinical trials were being run at

17:12

the same time. And on top of that,

17:14

they were manufacturing. They were manufacturing

17:16

at the same time as

17:18

they were doing all this. So

17:21

the MHRA of course was doing

17:23

a rolling review of the data. As

17:25

it came in, they were reviewing it. So nothing

17:28

was done in a way that had been done

17:30

before. So the animal trials

17:32

should be a bridge between the

17:34

laboratory work and the patient. It's

17:36

under strict legislative control and

17:38

it should give you confidence that you're

17:41

not putting your people at

17:43

risk that are going to be in the clinical

17:45

trial. And it's operates under this good

17:47

laboratory framework that they should have

17:49

been adhering to. So let's

17:51

look at what happened in the animal trials.

17:54

So Dr. Vanessa Kruger Schmidt

17:56

has analyzed very good. analysis

18:00

of the European Medical Agency's

18:02

what's called open assessment reports

18:05

from the 29th of January

18:07

2021. So this

18:09

is evidence from an AstraZeneca that

18:12

she looked at and in particular

18:14

on the animal trial data,

18:16

she basically said they looked

18:18

at mice, ferrets, rhesus monkeys and pigs.

18:21

And the conclusions were that there

18:23

was none or only a very slight

18:25

protective effect seen from the vaccination. Immunological

18:29

responses, antibodies and

18:31

cytokine release, they

18:35

basically were not present or there

18:37

were only partial differences. The T

18:39

cell response after vaccination was limited

18:41

or absent. Studis

18:44

basically showed that there was

18:46

no protective effect against

18:49

this, which is the basis

18:51

of the license. AZ vaccine

18:53

was supposed to protect against the

18:55

infection. Sorry Debbie. I

18:59

just want to round up very quickly Cheryl, because

19:01

I know we're going to be talking about more

19:04

of this in particular, the pregnancy data as well

19:06

in extra. But in your

19:08

opinion, was Dame Sarah Gilbert lying?

19:11

She's lied all the way through because she covered

19:13

up the fact that the animal data showed that

19:16

it wasn't effective and why would you go any

19:18

further with it. And then when we get onto

19:20

the pregnancy comments that she

19:22

made, she didn't have the evidence to back up what

19:25

she was saying unless she was aware

19:27

of the yellow card vaccine monitor, because

19:29

that showed that there were problems. There

19:32

were a lot of side effects that

19:34

were being witnessed by the 1300 and

19:36

odd women

19:39

that were in the trial. So she

19:41

wasn't being truthful when she was

19:43

actually making those comments. And that was at the

19:45

end of December 2021. We knew that by

19:53

the February that there'd

19:55

already been 205 deaths. with

20:00

AstraZeneca. None of that was

20:02

mentioned. Cheryl,

20:04

thank you so much for that. Please tune in

20:07

for Extra because there's much more to come on

20:09

this. Thank you, Cheryl. Thank

20:11

you, Debbie and Cheryl. So Cheryl will be joining

20:13

us in Extra, so that's going to be great.

20:16

Now, Ben, let's come over

20:18

to you. And well, we're

20:20

talking, what are we talking about?

20:22

Mr. Pullman. Exactly

20:25

that, yes. We're going to talk about

20:27

one of the most connected, powerful and

20:30

influential men on the entire planet. A

20:32

man you've probably never heard of, but

20:34

who is working day and night behind

20:37

the scenes to radically reshape British society,

20:39

especially our food system. Who is it?

20:41

It's this fella, Paulus, Gerardus,

20:44

Josephus, Maria, Pullman, KBE. I'm going

20:46

to call him Paul Pullman, or

20:48

maybe even just Pullman for the

20:51

sake of brevity in the

20:53

broadcast. If you have a look

20:55

at his LinkedIn profile, he tells

20:57

us that he was nearly a priest. And

21:00

I'm going to wager that that was in

21:02

the Catholic Church. And I'll let you interpret

21:04

what I mean by that. He's an international

21:06

business leader. If we

21:08

could just click on one, we can

21:10

see that he spent 40 years in

21:12

the food industry rising to the very

21:14

top levels. He spent 27 of those

21:16

years at Proctor & Gamble, rising

21:19

to group president of Europe. He

21:21

then spent three years at Nestle,

21:23

the CFO and president of America's

21:25

before taking the top job at

21:28

Unilever, where he spent a decade

21:30

delivering purpose driven change. This

21:33

guy has really defined the business

21:35

landscape over the past 10 or

21:37

15 years. He

21:39

made a big shout in his

21:42

Unilever tenure about decoupling economic growth

21:44

from environmental impact. And he's really

21:46

been at the forefront of

21:49

driving the climate and sustainability narrative.

21:51

And he now spends his time

21:53

going around the world lecturing

21:55

humanity on how to live. Let's have a little

21:57

listen to what he has to say. The

22:06

two biggest challenges that need to be addressed

22:09

are climate change and inequality.

22:11

And frankly, they are closely

22:13

related. We see that we're

22:15

at the point where the cost of

22:17

inaction is actually higher than the cost

22:19

of action, to the point that we're

22:21

starting to ask ourselves the question,

22:23

what the heck are we doing? And

22:26

we're sleeping on the wheel. Although we're

22:28

driving, we're clearly not driving fast enough.

22:31

We're heading for three and a half, four degrees, and

22:33

we're sitting here as if nothing happens. We're

22:35

far behind on the global goals as well. Now,

22:38

we might all be fine, but there will be a

22:40

hell of a lot more people dying. There

22:43

will be a heck of a lot more poverty in this world.

22:45

I don't want to be responsible for that. Anytime

22:47

you know that you're polluting and put carbon

22:49

in the air, there's someone else going to

22:52

die. Anytime you know you're wasting food, there's

22:54

someone else going to die. It

22:56

is our problem. We're living on that same planet.

22:58

And if we don't find a way to live

23:00

in harmony with our fellow citizens, it's not going

23:03

to work. We don't need more

23:05

PhDs. We don't need more people

23:07

to go to Pluto or Mars to find the

23:09

answer. What we need is human

23:11

willpower. And the simple question

23:13

to ask ourselves is, do we really

23:15

care? Ladies and gentlemen, we belong to

23:17

the 2% of the wealth population that

23:19

has won the lottery ticket of life.

23:22

And that brings us to goal number 17 of

23:24

the SDGs. A goal that

23:26

is called partnership. It's a partnership for

23:28

humanity. It's a partnership for the

23:31

common good. It's a partnership where

23:33

we put the interest of others ahead of

23:35

our own. In the course of

23:38

history, there comes a time when humanity

23:40

is called upon to shift

23:42

to a new level of consciousness. It

23:44

clearly is the moment to do this.

23:47

You're actually doing something for generations to

23:49

come. You're a real leader. You're

23:51

a real leader by simply bringing humanity

23:53

back to business. My simple request to

23:55

you is live a life with purpose.

23:57

Thank you very much. What

24:08

a rising speech, Ben. I love the music.

24:12

Yeah, quite. Do you know what? I'm actually going

24:14

to jack it all in and buy myself an SDG

24:16

pin and go and hang around with Paul Polman to

24:18

do whatever he wants. So I was almost in tears

24:20

there. And that's essentially what he's

24:22

spending his time doing, right? So he spent 40

24:25

years in business, but he's now a vocal proponent

24:27

of the SDGs. And he does that in a

24:29

formal capacity. Right? So this is one

24:31

of the, as I said at the start, one

24:34

of the best connected people on earth. Like this

24:36

is a completely crazy number of roles that he

24:38

currently holds, right? He's got 20 different

24:40

concurrent positions listed on his LinkedIn profile. And

24:42

these are just the ones that he talks

24:45

about publicly. So I'm just going to whip

24:47

through these very quickly, but I'll

24:49

skim over some of them. But they're really fascinating

24:51

when you look into the totality of this and

24:53

what he sits at the center of, right? So

24:55

he's an author. He has a

24:57

book called Net Positive. This is his big

24:59

full leadership platform. He's also

25:01

an advocate emeritus of the SDGs,

25:03

a formal position at the UN.

25:06

He's also vice chair of the

25:08

UN Global Compact, which describes itself

25:11

as the world's largest corporate sustainability

25:13

initiative. He's a board member

25:15

of Systemic, which is a

25:17

consulting and technology business focused on

25:19

systemic change across all industries. He

25:21

was also a founding investor in

25:23

their private equity fund. I'm going

25:25

to talk about them in another

25:27

show. They're a fascinating organization. He's

25:30

also a board member of the

25:32

Rockefeller Foundation. We can

25:34

click on one. We can see that

25:36

he is also chair of Oxford Said

25:38

Business School. So that aligns up

25:40

quite neatly with what Debbie and Gerald were

25:42

just talking about. Oxford is right at the

25:44

center of a lot of this stuff. He

25:47

is a member of the Director General's Business

25:49

Advisory Group at the World Trade Organization. He

25:51

is the chair of the Global Advisory Board

25:53

at One Young World, which is a youth

25:56

charity whose patron is Meghan Markle. And that

25:58

is also a board member of. All

26:00

or with my life. My say to be

26:02

spoken about a lot previously. On

26:04

the Conflict com What more we can

26:06

say that he's the couch share of

26:09

this food and land use coalition a

26:11

global and boys it's Smbc Group which

26:13

is a big Japanese bank. a member

26:15

of the drug Buys report and they

26:17

said the he's a Singapore Sky and

26:19

conglomerate. Later. Or something called

26:21

the B Team which we gonna

26:24

talk about separately. Fascinating proof that

26:26

he's of their yes helped found

26:28

That is because share Your friend

26:30

called Twenty Six back on action

26:32

and he's the confound and chair

26:34

emeritus of something cool. Imagine. Which.

26:37

I'll come back to in a minute before I

26:39

think moink I'm going to leave on something I'm

26:41

a I'm in the first on him back again.

26:43

twenty concurrent Rosa What do you make of all

26:46

the. Willies

26:48

can be very, very special person

26:50

and a sliver of allegiance. I

26:52

mean it is. It is not

26:55

possible for anybody to. To

26:57

actually be take an active role in twenty

26:59

different roles like that, Like lots of these,

27:01

are. But on

27:03

the other hand, he's clearly right at

27:05

the center of a network. And

27:08

of the questions what is up network often.

27:11

Yeah. Point is actually. I'd

27:14

imagine he saw an army of help is

27:16

running around in the whole time and he

27:18

with into crap on some now been of

27:20

gonna run for a little bit about this

27:22

organization imagine which was the last word on

27:24

the list. Last but not least so what

27:26

is it A select group of these rocks

27:29

hasn't changed my says. They. Was

27:31

sunk into existence in Twenty

27:33

Nine seen at the moment

27:35

of quiet collective of space

27:37

trends. Omits. right? To

27:39

this day was song into existence of

27:42

most is kind of ceremonial creation of

27:44

this and to say now on Monday

27:46

mom was talking about Bilderberg. And

27:49

Murray has a crappy a series. The

27:51

wife is. A

27:53

common bespoke and kravis from Kkr

27:56

the on a d of gurus

27:58

she she's the chair. The opening

28:00

game above not she's the couch share the

28:02

Bilderberg making cheese, the chair of the Museum

28:05

of Modem or think it might well be

28:07

a connection a Swedish organization imagine and the

28:09

Bilderberg meetings which group and so bad that

28:11

when they come up again and a couple

28:13

weeks. they're also very pricey. Linked to the

28:16

World Economic Forum especially the young. Got laid

28:18

a program. Or inside, this is

28:20

the cool same as imagine. You

28:22

have Valerie Teller who is a school

28:24

rejects the great of global markets. A

28:27

boy. Was. About last week Young

28:29

yeah knows he he was a private

28:31

equity guy sylvia voice know who seek

28:33

in top top level. he kicked if

28:36

recruitment. They were all young global leaders

28:38

are nearly half of the. Young

28:41

guy the latest. And finally David

28:43

Ige man who's going to Cowboy hat.

28:46

And I see work to the

28:48

Weldon Form and he ran Young

28:50

Drug Related Program and the Global

28:52

Sites Community and the second on

28:54

the Ponies program and the Schwab

28:56

Foundation for Social Entrepreneurship. At

28:58

the won't acumen, four months of this

29:00

organization is absolutely in the center of

29:02

the west as well as all the

29:04

other organizations have the thoughts about. Sort.

29:07

Of a outside so I'm a

29:09

tool for good of course, right?

29:11

So I'm betty to single the

29:13

fashion packs which they lose winds

29:15

of Emanuel Mccrone. Of

29:17

which brought together sixty different organizations

29:19

across the fashion industry. They

29:22

also have this thing who the Swings

29:24

collective. Which. Is about

29:26

conveying stakeholders from the food

29:28

and agriculture to drive dialogue,

29:30

ambition and collective action right

29:33

and have is that manifests.

29:35

Ali manifests at a national

29:38

level. In. This organization.

29:41

Which. Trying to my attention a couple

29:43

of weeks goes. Been going for about two

29:45

years now is for the food, farming and

29:47

Countryside Commission but I just spoke to the

29:49

become much more active. And

29:52

store in issuing public statements.

29:55

in particular this thing to the

29:57

hope of on statement which was.

29:59

A. by Paul Polman

30:02

and a group of people from across the

30:04

private and public sector, civil society, all that

30:06

kind of thing. They say together we're calling

30:09

for the next UK government as a matter

30:11

of urgent national priority starting in its first

30:13

100 days to implement a bold

30:15

national food and farming strategy for the UK

30:17

drawing on the wealth of evidence available, including

30:20

the national food strategy, which I'll come back

30:22

to. They have six core recommendations, legally

30:25

binding targets and policy coherence, increased

30:27

public as well as private sector

30:29

funding to support farmers, robust

30:31

public procurement standards with tighter regulation,

30:33

multifunctional land use framework, fair and

30:36

consistent standards, and then also, importantly,

30:38

measurement and disclosure frameworks for accountability

30:40

if you actually want to control

30:43

what's going on across the whole

30:45

farming sector. You should go and read

30:47

the statement. It's not particularly long, but

30:50

it will give you a good idea of what these people are up

30:52

to. One of the signatories, and

30:54

there are a bunch of them all listed in the

30:56

statement. You can go and read it yourself. One

30:59

of them was Henry Dingleby. Another

31:01

name would just come up again. That came up

31:03

earlier. We'll talk about that in extra.

31:06

He was the former UK food star.

31:08

He actually wrote the national food strategy.

31:10

He was in the Times saying that

31:12

the HOPE statement represents a fundamental

31:14

quantum shift, a step change in the

31:17

public discourse. He's personally,

31:19

financially invested in this space. He

31:21

launched a private equity fund to

31:24

transform the global system. When

31:27

he wrote the national food strategy

31:29

in 2021, he did that alongside

31:31

Bain, the global consulting firm, who

31:34

talked about our food

31:36

sector as a series

31:38

of interconnected industrial processes.

31:41

One of the main things they were

31:43

keen to reinforce was the idea that

31:45

in farming, we need consolidation so that

31:47

we have fewer corporate

31:49

players who are able to

31:51

negotiate more effectively with the

31:54

other participants in the industry.

31:56

This is all about commercialization,

31:58

corporatization, big food. food,

32:00

big money, all being

32:02

distributed from the top level down

32:05

by people like Paulus, Gerardus, Josephus,

32:07

Maria Polman and the organisations

32:09

that he represents. Thank

32:12

you, Ben. Thank you for that. Really interesting. Okay. Now,

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34:22

Debbie, let's come back to you then. And

34:25

what's the latest from the NHS?

34:29

Oh, well, I'm going to whiz around a

34:31

few stories on this segment, because there's just

34:33

so much craziness going on. So yeah, let's

34:35

start off with the NHS. So I'm afraid

34:38

now only half, well, we say only half

34:40

of England's care home residents have had the

34:42

spring COVID jab. So saying

34:44

over 155,000 have received

34:46

the potentially life

34:49

saving, I would question that.

34:51

So yes, spring

34:54

boosters and a rise

34:56

of COVID in inverted commas.

35:00

Now, have you been getting text messages you fed

35:02

up with getting text messages? Well, if you've got

35:04

the NHS app, which I hope you haven't, but

35:06

if you've got the NHS app, you're now going

35:08

to get texts on your NHS app,

35:11

and it's going to save the

35:13

NHS 1.1 million, we've already got 34 million

35:16

registered users, if you've got the NHS

35:18

app, I strongly suggest you

35:21

remove it. So going on to

35:23

something completely different now, TAVIs. What's

35:25

a TAVI? Well, a TAVI is

35:28

a transcatheter aortic valve implantation, it's

35:30

to replace a valve or to

35:32

knock a valve to one side

35:35

to replace it with a

35:37

new valve in the heart. It's a

35:39

very risky procedure and needs to be

35:41

carried out by very experienced cardiac surgeon,

35:44

which is why when it was

35:46

carried out by an advanced nurse

35:48

practitioner, people were shocked. In

35:50

the next slide, in this slide, you

35:53

can see there he is, that's John

35:55

Steele. He was the nurse that was

35:58

Performing this TAVI. And I'm afraid

36:01

it got the thumbs down from pretty

36:03

much everybody. You can see that. That's

36:05

it was deemed unsafe. But what's

36:07

going on today? Because that was

36:09

back in twenty twenty three. But

36:11

today I was alone to see

36:14

a report from the baby seats,

36:16

men, surgeons, or removing coup plotters.

36:18

I'm. Sets the yes it really is

36:20

A really all the article from the

36:22

B B C goes on to say

36:24

that this has been going on at

36:27

Wool Mental Hospital and one hundred and

36:29

seventy five procedures over the last four

36:31

years of being carried out by surgical

36:33

kept separate issue as. Well.

36:35

Who are surgical care practices because

36:37

if anything goes wrong. They're.

36:39

Not covered. So the Royal

36:41

College of Surgeons has come

36:43

out again, and in particular

36:45

at the Royal London Hospital.

36:47

Professor Chef The Ahmet has

36:49

said laparoscopic highly suspect to

36:51

me is a major operation

36:53

with significant made you potential

36:55

complications including mortality. This is

36:58

unsafe and dangerous. And needs

37:00

to be stripped immediately. So

37:02

what is what? What Is

37:04

a search? Prepare practitioners. Of

37:06

is a lot more to be said

37:09

about this, but just briefly. a Surgical

37:11

Care Practitioner is a registered non medical

37:13

health care professional. They. Work

37:15

as members of the surgical team.

37:17

So my question is who is

37:19

doing your surgery? Do you know.

37:22

Have you asked them we've got

37:24

at the new injection that coming

37:26

out this revolutionary courts have none

37:28

and cage so. This is the

37:30

new solutions that is being prepared. for

37:33

viruses in inverted commas the are yet

37:36

to emerge this is the asked solidify

37:38

tix daily if you go on one

37:40

more side you'll see that a quartet

37:43

nano cage and i'm not an expert

37:45

in these things but it doesn't look

37:47

good to meet talks about the pool

37:50

of proteins and antigens being stuck together

37:52

with a protein superglue i don't think

37:54

that's going to end well and then

37:57

on said completely different subject will go

37:59

straight on to DWP

38:01

next. I did

38:03

tell you this was going to be a whiz around because

38:05

there are so many ridiculously crazy

38:07

stories. So according to Benefit

38:09

and Works, DWP are going to have powers

38:11

of arrest, seizure, and they're

38:14

going to be able to collect

38:16

information. Because of a public survey,

38:18

which I'll show you in a

38:20

moment, it's proposed that there are

38:22

trained DWP investigators with arrest powers

38:25

who can search and seize. They

38:27

can collect information from claimants to

38:29

see what they're spending money on.

38:31

They can also collect banking information.

38:33

Banks can share information and government

38:36

organizations can also share data with

38:38

the DWP. Here's

38:40

the survey if you'd like to go

38:43

and have a look at it. You

38:45

can see it on the DWP website.

38:48

But Wales Online were actually backing all of

38:50

this up and they were reporting that they're

38:52

looking at a 2,500 team to check universal

38:57

credit. And we're talking

38:59

about DWP making arrests

39:02

and raiding houses. And

39:04

it's absolutely shocking. I can't believe that

39:07

this is going to be happening. And they're

39:09

going to be imposing civil penalties,

39:11

this new civil penalties. And I

39:13

just want to end this segment.

39:16

I couldn't not, without mentioning the

39:18

APPG maternity services

39:20

statement, which has come out

39:23

and shown that the

39:25

maternity services are literally, it's

39:28

shocking. 1,300 submissions, including mums that

39:33

had gone through stillbirth, cerebral palsy,

39:35

paralysis, mistakes being made, failures,

39:38

lack of compassion, mums lying in

39:40

blood soap sheets, and women

39:43

basically, the conclusion was women were treated as

39:45

an inconvenience. There's so much more to be

39:47

said on all of these stories, but I

39:49

just wanted to pack in as much as

39:51

I could, as quickly as I could. Thank

39:55

you, Debbie. Thank you. Now, let's move on

39:57

then to the latest government,

39:59

U-Turn, because having pushed

40:01

a certain form of sexual

40:04

education in the UK, the government has

40:07

decided to try to reverse the situation.

40:09

Perhaps they are trying to reverse their

40:11

upcoming defeat in the general election, but

40:13

they have pushed this

40:16

out this morning, the new

40:18

Relationship Sexual Health Education Guidance,

40:20

what it means for sex education lessons

40:22

in school. And here is

40:25

the Secretary of State for Education, Julian Keegan,

40:27

tweeting about this, no more situations

40:30

where parents are prevented from seeing

40:32

materials, no more teaching children topics

40:34

way beyond their years, no more

40:36

teaching the contested view of gender

40:38

identity. That's what our

40:40

RSHE guidance will ensure. And she

40:43

published an article in the Sun,

40:45

so she went totally high by

40:47

there. And Rishi Sunak also pushing

40:49

this out, under no circumstances should

40:51

parents be blocked from seeing the

40:53

content taught in their own children's

40:55

lessons. Well, let's just have

40:57

a look at the detail of this. So this

40:59

is what they're saying, they're going to introduce

41:01

age limits for the type of material that

41:03

can be taught to children at certain stages.

41:06

They're saying the concept of gender

41:09

identity is highly contested and should not

41:11

be taught. Is that the case?

41:13

Well, we'll see in a second. They

41:15

say that facts about biological sex

41:18

and gender reassignment will still be

41:20

taught. Okay, not quite sure how

41:22

that works. And they say that

41:24

parents have a legal right to know what their children

41:26

are being taught. Okay, so then

41:29

they say that they want to, in

41:31

light of this new guidance, they want

41:33

to introduce potentially new RHSE topics, and

41:35

they're asking for consultation on

41:38

this. So they might

41:40

want to talk about suicide prevention in

41:42

the classes. They might want

41:44

to talk about sexual harassment and sexual violence.

41:47

They might want to talk about loneliness, the

41:49

prevalence of deep fakes. They

41:52

might want to talk about healthy behaviors during

41:54

pregnancy, as well as miscarriage. They

41:56

might want to talk about illegal online behaviors,

41:58

including drug and knife. apply, the

42:01

dangers of vaping, menstrual

42:03

and gynecological health, including those

42:06

things that you can see on screen at

42:08

the moment. But with respect to

42:11

parental rights, then this is what they say. Parents

42:13

are not able to veto curriculum

42:15

content, but they should be able to see what

42:17

their children are being taught, which

42:19

gives them the opportunity to raise issues

42:21

or concerns through the school's own processes

42:24

if they want to. And they say that

42:26

parents still have the right to

42:28

withdraw their child from sex education,

42:30

but not from the essential content

42:32

covered in relationships education. So

42:34

there you go. So whether this is an

42:37

effort to try to regain some

42:39

popularity again, with many, many people on

42:41

the conservative side of politics, or perhaps

42:44

perhaps disillusion with the type of content

42:47

that's being thrown at the children these days,

42:49

or whether this is an effort to try

42:51

to limit the number of people

42:53

that are pulling their children out of the

42:55

formal education system altogether and home educating

42:57

instead, I'm not quite clear. What I am

42:59

fairly clear in my own mind about is

43:02

that it's pretty cynical, because this

43:04

government has been behind the direction

43:09

of education in the schools for the last,

43:11

well, since 2010, I guess. So there

43:14

we go. Now, Ben, let's come back

43:16

to you then. And of

43:19

course, one of our favourite people in the world is

43:21

David Miliband. So what's he been

43:23

up to? Yeah,

43:26

we had a bit of a

43:29

treat last week, actually, over at

43:31

Nesta. So two neoliberal princelings in

43:34

conversation with each other, David Miliband,

43:36

speaking to the Nesta CEO,

43:39

Ravi Guru-Murthy, Nesta, as

43:41

we know, who owned the Behavioural Insights

43:43

team, the UK Innovation Lab

43:47

for the Social

43:49

Good, I think is how they describe it. And David Miliband, obviously,

43:52

former UK Foreign Secretary, former

43:54

head of the Downing Street Policy Unit under

43:56

Tony Blair, former Minister for Schools, Secretary of

43:59

State for Impression. environment, food and rural

44:01

affairs, a real big

44:03

hitter of the left-wing establishment in

44:05

this country. But now he's the

44:07

president and CEO of the International

44:10

Rescue Committee, which is a New

44:12

York-based humanitarian, non-governmental organisation, formally

44:15

described by Martin Edwards on

44:17

the UK column as a Trojan horse of

44:19

the globalists. He's basically been paid

44:21

nearly half a million pounds a year by

44:23

George Soros, amongst others, in order

44:26

to basically wash Soros' reputation. Merevan

44:28

described Soros as having tremendous

44:31

commitment to the advancement of human rights,

44:33

social justice and democracy around the world.

44:36

Merevan has been gallivanting, so he's based in New

44:38

York. He's been spending a lot of time in

44:40

Davos. We talked about this recently. He's been seen

44:42

at Gold's House, where they promote

44:44

the sustainable development goals. And he's also

44:47

a non-inject director at Varian, the big

44:49

global propaganda and behaviour change

44:51

consultancy, amongst other things. It

44:54

was a fascinating conversation. You can go to the Nestor

44:56

YouTube channel to watch the whole thing. I'm going to

44:58

just pull out a few short clips, because

45:01

it just goes from amazing insight into the

45:03

new Labour project in particular. And these two

45:05

people were right at the heart of it.

45:08

And more broadly, the inner workings of

45:10

the British political machine, especially as

45:13

it relates to climate change policy,

45:15

which Miliband and Guru Murthy were

45:17

intimately involved in developing, as we'll

45:19

find out now. You

45:22

and I were in government in

45:24

the Department for Environmental Food and Rural Affairs

45:26

in 2007. And

45:29

the Prime Minister reshuffled

45:31

in 2006. And

45:34

the Prime Minister said, by the end

45:36

of the summer, I want you to

45:38

figure out how to get the environmental

45:40

initiative away from the Tories. And

45:44

he said that to me, not to you. You were a civil servant, so

45:46

he wouldn't... I

45:48

came and then said, out of government time, I said, look, I'm going to get a

45:50

job. Look, I've got this commission

45:53

from the Prime Minister as a Secretary of State for

45:55

Environment, Food and Rural Affairs. And

45:57

we came up with the idea of

45:59

the climate change policy. Change Act, the

46:01

Climate Change Committee, carbon budgets and all

46:04

the rest of it.

46:07

So the Climate Change Act, the Climate Change

46:09

Committee, carbon budgets, all of that has basically

46:12

come out of a conversation that these two

46:14

had. It sounds like an inappropriate conversation as

46:16

well, by the way, because Milavandam,

46:18

I'm sure you noticed there, did a very

46:21

good job of backtracking about how appropriate it

46:23

was for him as a minister to be

46:25

asking a civil servant to advise him on

46:27

political policy, quite interesting. And

46:31

the systemic impact of this has been

46:33

absolutely huge. I mean, look at the

46:35

way that climate is dominating the agenda

46:38

everywhere. This is the biggest industrial transformation

46:40

of recent

46:42

history. And it seems like it's

46:44

an inevitability, right? So Milavandam went on

46:47

to say that in the

46:49

energy system, the changes won't get rolled

46:51

back. This is a

46:53

permanent change once you've electrified and decarbonized

46:55

you in a whole different ballgame on

46:58

the back of a brief

47:00

handed by Tony Blair of all people, the

47:02

war criminal to a minister back in 2005,

47:05

2006, you know, we're now dealing with

47:07

the consequences 18 years down the track.

47:10

And how is all of this going to be facilitated through

47:13

market manipulation and public-private partnerships

47:15

as Milavandam goes on to

47:17

describe? And

47:20

I think necessity, fiscal necessity means we've got to

47:22

be obsessive about how well

47:24

we spend, how well public money is

47:26

spent. We've got to

47:28

be obsessive about finding ways

47:30

of generating investment that don't come

47:32

off the balance sheet. So the

47:35

whole, for example, the contract for

47:37

difference thing, did you invent that

47:39

in which department was it?

47:42

Deck and deck.

47:46

All sorts of instruments like that,

47:48

quasi public private instruments are going to have

47:50

to be necessary. So,

47:54

But we've got to be obsessive about how well we

47:57

spend and whether we're spending to for activities that are

47:59

going to be necessary. In general I also

48:01

think this idea of the missions for

48:03

years for the country mobilize a activity

48:05

from outside government is is. Really

48:10

important on on us. Sugar.

48:14

Coat the books, Again, I

48:16

to blaze of the contracts the

48:18

distance thing was market manipulation is

48:20

about subsidizing blog carbon energy provider

48:22

has been running. Or. A number

48:25

of years now. I'm and obviously.

48:27

He. Talked about public private. Partnerships.

48:30

And both went great didn't I for labor is

48:32

have a little look on as they didn't It

48:34

was a fraud. Ah, we got

48:37

about three hundred billion pounds

48:39

worth of. Fails. Sent

48:41

to our school. It. Is

48:43

billion pounds worth. Of services.

48:45

So I simply. With. This

48:47

is public private partnership. Ended up paying six

48:50

times over the odds and on rather than

48:52

backtracking insane. This wasn't a good idea that

48:54

men abandoned Rebecca Remote Iraqi can a dozen

48:56

times over. Going to do it again. Craziness.

49:00

And I see nests are still running the speaking. Of

49:02

policy, but I can see pretty much

49:05

everything in particular. The. Anything naughty

49:07

or they just issued this today. In fact

49:09

the think was also need. This was. A

49:11

basically setting. I will. they've been the next government

49:14

should do. And. They

49:16

need to be doing that because as the remote

49:18

he goes on points out the less to go

49:20

apps and as you know ideas about anything, it'll.

49:24

was as and seat when you what. I

49:26

think about when eat a

49:29

wet projects is. Ones

49:31

with instinct diagnosis of how society

49:33

is changing something but it's a

49:36

Molson salaries and how they did

49:38

find the country and to find

49:40

some over isn't that was used.

49:42

Interesting that the secondly there was

49:44

it's sense that you have to

49:46

think about the idea ideology that

49:48

relate to those different constituencies and

49:51

then else in a policy prospectus

49:53

with that diagnosis and with those

49:55

with the ideology. Is it was a

49:57

sucker for statuses and along with the been done.

50:00

people outside of government over many years and

50:02

it feels like we don't have

50:04

that right now.

50:08

In some ways we may end up being in

50:10

a situation where the

50:13

next Labour government wins without as

50:15

much ideology or as many ideas

50:18

as perhaps we're around before.

50:20

I think the other interesting feature there is that the

50:22

ideological debate is richer actually on the

50:24

right of politics now than

50:26

on the left and perhaps that's possibly

50:29

the winning prospectus for the Labour Party.

50:31

They're not driven by these difficult ideological

50:33

debates or the conserved desire. So

50:38

not having any ideas might

50:40

be a sound electoral strategy

50:42

according to Rabbeguru Murthy. That's

50:45

quite an amazing thing to hear. Anyway

50:47

as an aside and I do recommend you

50:49

go and watch the whole thing it's really

50:51

fascinating to listen to those two talking. As

50:54

an aside after last week's piece

50:57

that I did on EY, Ryan

50:59

said to me do you think that

51:01

the big four firms like EY are

51:03

working with Nesta and are they working

51:05

to get their ideas into the work

51:07

that they're doing? And I said I actually don't know. Then

51:10

this popped up about two

51:12

hours later and Josie Clue, the

51:14

EY partner who's leading the UK

51:16

government business at EY and retraining

51:18

half a million civil servants. Without

51:20

the event it looks by personal

51:22

invitation of Rabbeguru Murthy. So we

51:25

can say fairly convincingly that

51:28

these ideas are absolutely going to be pushed

51:30

through the consulting firms as well as through

51:32

the political establishment. Ben

51:35

brilliant. Thank you. Now sticking with the

51:37

whole net zero thing let's have a

51:40

laugh at Tony Blair Institute

51:42

for Global Change and their intervention

51:45

in UK politics here with

51:48

a new report entitled Reimagining the

51:50

UK's Net Zero Strategy. So

51:54

it's not that interesting but we'll have a look

51:56

at what they're saying. First climate change is a

51:58

global problem that requires global solutions. the UK

52:00

is currently responsible for less than 1% of

52:03

global emissions, even if the UK is

52:05

reducing its domestic emissions, there is

52:07

a significant global emissions challenge that needs to

52:09

be grappled with. So just think

52:11

about that the next time they're telling you to stop

52:14

eating beef or switch your heating

52:16

off. But the next thing

52:18

then is let's look

52:20

at what they're recommending. So enhancing

52:23

the UK's net zero legislation for

52:25

the delivery phase, improving

52:27

coordination, responsiveness of

52:29

government delivery. So we're not responding quickly

52:31

enough. Creating the conditions

52:34

for transformative climate research and development.

52:37

They say that reform, they want to

52:39

see reform of regulatory regimes. They

52:42

want government funding to be

52:44

used and regulatory parts to be used

52:46

strategically to create and shape the markets

52:48

for clean technologies. So don't leave

52:50

the markets to do their own thing. We've

52:53

got to make sure that government is driving

52:55

the markets in a particular direction. And

52:58

they want to see increasing UK

53:00

climate leadership globally. Now, the way

53:02

that the mainstream media was portraying

53:05

this today and yesterday was really

53:08

that this was an intervention which

53:10

might embarrass Keir Starmer. I don't think

53:12

so. I think this is getting a

53:14

clue as to the direction Keir Starmer

53:16

is going to go after the general

53:18

election. But anyway, we'll keep

53:20

an eye on that. Now,

53:23

moving on then to off-com. Now,

53:25

on the issue of 5G, a

53:27

number of weeks ago I was pointing out that

53:29

the UK still doesn't have

53:32

any millimeter-wave 5G hardware

53:35

deployed as yet.

53:37

That the consultation is still going on and there's

53:39

going to be an auction going on to

53:41

decide who and how much they're going to have to

53:44

pay for licenses to run this type of

53:46

technology. We've seen it rolled out in the

53:49

US and in some countries in Europe already,

53:51

but the UK is well behind the curve

53:53

on this one. So a

53:55

new consultation announced three

53:58

days ago on Proposals to. The

54:00

make a auction regulations for

54:02

the millimeter wave awards so

54:04

was the the process of

54:06

for allocating licenses. Rules on

54:08

other Just wanted to remind everybody does

54:11

process is going on If you want

54:13

to us consider. You

54:15

know, perhaps making your voice heard

54:17

on this issue A nice. Where.

54:19

Does that take us? Yes. Speaking of

54:21

such, A high tech if you

54:24

remember the. Dragon far as

54:26

directed energy weapon the Ministry of

54:28

Defence has cited to put on

54:30

the Royal Naval ships and so

54:32

on. Here's a new wants another

54:34

directed energy weapon or the Uk

54:36

is gonna lead the world and

54:38

drone killing texts were already the

54:40

urgently producing aperture and Dragon far

54:42

there's there's a catch up on

54:44

drugs at the speed of light

54:46

and I was a nice to

54:48

Uk is really obe a weapon

54:50

that would bring done swarms for

54:52

just ten p I mean what

54:54

better. Way better

54:56

stood that, you know, Value.

54:58

For money to.be So let's let's have

55:01

a look at the wonderful Tibbs Cartilage

55:03

or Minister for proof that Defence Procurement

55:05

As he talks about this. So.

55:08

Sorely Island where as you can see

55:10

we have this incredible new capabilities. cool

55:13

radio frequencies, directed energy weapons free. Been

55:15

developing this on shipping Dstl, Cms and

55:17

the Army. I'm here to see if

55:19

we go So the as we have

55:22

done with a laser for you miss

55:24

eventually into service with the British Army

55:26

and Mit as soon as possible. Er

55:30

stress repeatedly the i want to see a

55:32

much greater overburdened scientists to see us feel

55:34

this is are cutting edge technology is how

55:36

we have. Competitive on suitcase or reversers,

55:38

he got such amazing capacity for that

55:40

in the case. Throughout the fence with

55:42

secured our scientists and this is showing

55:44

how we can actually make a difference

55:47

freeing cases you fools, the army unfollow

55:49

are. Now.

55:54

Undoubtedly you are extremely impressed in the middle

55:57

of that us drone size of the sky

55:59

and with say. I don't believe

56:01

for one second that was the device

56:03

in operation that with somebody deliberately crashing

56:05

a drones. but it's just to give

56:08

an impression of fat gyms and hi

56:10

gritty a serious with joysticks and his

56:12

hand under an operating the system. If

56:14

you to believe it. I.

56:16

Don't know. I just want a very

56:19

briefly before we finish with Banner. What

56:21

a very briefly. Mentioned the

56:23

situation in southwest with respect to

56:25

southwest water because such as many

56:28

people will know, that's us in

56:30

the Southwest Here we've had a

56:33

an incident of parasitical. A

56:35

poisoning shall we say? and lots of people

56:37

with severe diarrhea. This

56:39

is it that Brixham and I believe

56:41

also Pinson night as well. Ah,

56:44

Night The issue here. As. Well

56:46

which is to break the chief

56:48

executive onscreen other she has she

56:50

doesn't want to. Sure faces on

56:52

the world a singer ice for

56:54

behind the yes the Graphic Barracks

56:56

but unfortunately for Southwest Water they

56:58

were despicable. And the way that

57:00

they huddled this because people were

57:02

getting ill and large numbers people

57:04

were getting ill miss the most

57:06

horrendous diarrhea and Southwest More initially

57:08

denied that they were responsible for

57:10

this and they said no, it's

57:12

not us Gulf honest tells it

57:14

wasn't us. Continue using. Water as

57:16

normal. A day in fact that

57:18

there was even talk of people be

57:20

dehydrated as result of the diary it's

57:23

and so they should drink more water

57:25

the southwest border deny that they were

57:27

responsible for it and then subsequently a

57:29

day or two that are were forced

57:31

to admit that was them after all.

57:33

and the people should start boiling the

57:35

water under movie. That would be a

57:37

reasonable thing to do. So we're gonna

57:40

be talking about this and a little

57:42

bit more an extra because frankly, Debbie

57:44

has a few things to say that

57:46

we're gonna let. her off the

57:48

leash completely and or she will

57:50

be undoubtedly saying things that does

57:52

the chief executive southwest water doesn't

57:55

want to hear so hopefully he'll

57:57

join us an extra for lasts

57:59

that Ben, let's end with

58:02

truth tellers. Yeah,

58:05

a bit of light relief here

58:07

at the end of the show.

58:09

Truth tellers, we're defending truth. We're

58:11

seeking it out and we're representing

58:13

it. And we just happened to

58:15

work at CNN and the BBC and a

58:17

whole bunch of other big media organizations. This

58:19

event happened last week, actually

58:22

in the last couple of days, again on

58:24

YouTube. Go and watch it, it's fascinating. All

58:26

these big wigs, you just saw there briefly,

58:28

Christiane Amanpour from CNN, who apparently

58:31

has a CBE, I think that's quite a striking thing,

58:33

I need to look into that. And

58:35

they run this event every year, it's been going

58:37

for about three years now. The Sir Harry Summit,

58:40

named for Sir Harry Evans, who

58:42

was one of the giants of post-war journalism,

58:46

newspaper editor at The Times, amongst

58:48

others. And as we just saw a moment

58:50

ago, this event is backed

58:52

by Reuters, The

58:54

Ford Foundation, BBC

58:57

Verify, who are really

58:59

into truth, and our old

59:01

friends at Tortoise Media, who also

59:03

this week announced a partnership with

59:06

the Open Startage Foundation. So this is all

59:08

about truth, guys. And let's just have a

59:10

little listen to Christiane Gurimurthy talking to Deborah

59:13

Ternes, who is the CEO of BBC News

59:15

and current theirs. Deborah,

59:20

what of your big methods,

59:23

if you like, to bring or to

59:25

uphold credibility at the BBC has

59:27

been showing your working, the launch

59:30

of BBC Verify. And you've explained

59:32

that in terms of, if we

59:34

show people what we're doing and

59:36

how we're doing it, then they

59:38

will believe us more. How's

59:42

that going? And is

59:45

there a danger that it's undermined, what

59:49

all your journalists were doing anyway? You

59:51

create a verify unit, what are

59:53

the rest of them doing? That's

59:56

a good question. I'll start with, I

59:58

think that we're talking. about truth

1:00:01

here, I don't

1:00:03

think it's a very truth that's a problem. I mean,

1:00:05

truth is there, it's getting hard to find that

1:00:07

it's being seriously misrepresented. I think it's

1:00:09

trust that is the issue for us, an

1:00:12

impartial new organization that strives to

1:00:14

deliver fair reporting and to

1:00:17

find, BBC's number one purpose is

1:00:19

to pursue the truth with no agenda. So

1:00:21

the truth is very much there alive and kicking,

1:00:23

it's finding it's difficult, and then it's convincing people

1:00:26

that it is the truth, and that's where trust comes

1:00:28

in, and that's where verify comes in. Ben,

1:00:32

correct me if I'm wrong, but is that the

1:00:34

second time I've heard the name Guru Murthy and

1:00:36

they were different people, if I'm right? That's

1:00:39

Krishnan, a former Channel 4

1:00:42

news anchor for many

1:00:44

years, and then his brother, yes,

1:00:46

as I discovered actually in the

1:00:48

Miliband conversation, because David Miliband was

1:00:51

talking about being terrified of being

1:00:53

interviewed, and he basically says, well,

1:00:56

my two siblings are news anchors

1:00:58

at BBC, so yeah,

1:01:00

same family. Yes, okay,

1:01:02

well, we'll talk about that extra as

1:01:04

well, I've no doubt so, but

1:01:06

we've got to leave it there for today. So I'm

1:01:08

going to say thank you very much to Ben, thank

1:01:11

you to Cheryl and Debbie for joining us today, thank

1:01:13

you all for watching. If you're a

1:01:15

UK Colm member, do join us for extra in a couple of

1:01:17

minutes. If you're not, you might want to become

1:01:20

one, so you can join us for extra in a couple of

1:01:22

minutes, it's a brilliant time, but

1:01:25

we will see you then, and otherwise we'll

1:01:27

see you on Monday at 1pm as usual, I hope

1:01:29

everyone has a great weekend. See

1:01:32

you then, bye-bye.