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Jeezy. Who was

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your guy? What old

0:47

school? Yeah, who was your guy? Who would you

0:49

most say model? Like you would, if you had

0:51

to pick one guy that you said that you

0:53

worked after, or you emulated when you

0:55

walked out. Maybe not once you found your stride and

0:57

who you are, but like when you close your eyes

1:00

and you're like, if I was a wrestler, I'd be

1:02

this guy. Who was that guy for you? Eddie

1:05

Guerrero. Eddie Guerrero. Okay. You know what?

1:09

I hear that a lot. And

1:13

one of the things that I knew

1:15

about Eddie, well, first of all,

1:17

he was a super nice dude and he was very kind

1:19

to me. But

1:22

when he was let go, I had

1:24

read his book and FCW. And

1:27

we had to write reports on books. Trevor,

1:30

you don't know any about this because you were a first round draft pick.

1:32

And went right to the show. And

1:36

I picked Eddie Guerrero. And Steve Kern

1:39

had made that book available to us. And

1:44

one of the things he did in the Indies that I

1:46

thought was amazing was that he put guys over. So

1:50

he would come into the indie programs

1:52

as a big star. And Eddie was

1:54

a big international star. He

1:58

would wrestle their top guy, but put him over. So

2:02

every indie booking wanted him because

2:05

one, you're getting Eddie f***ing

2:07

Guerrero. And two, he's making

2:09

your guy a star in

2:12

the wrestling world. And that's one of the things that I thought

2:14

that he was brilliant

2:16

about because normally

2:18

guys don't do that. Because

2:21

you have to protect your, because you have to get

2:23

hired again. And losing streaks,

2:25

and even though simulated combat, don't necessarily

2:27

get you picked up by the big

2:29

TV companies anymore. Even

2:32

though you're building, even though you're doing more

2:34

for the show by doing the

2:36

favor than you beating the guy, they don't always

2:38

look at it that way. You know what I'm

2:40

saying? Yep. Well, they focus

2:42

so much on the L that they don't

2:44

understand the business of what he did for

2:47

that area. He just created

2:49

a whole new superstar, a guy that can

2:51

make more money probably than he ever

2:53

could before after that. Yep. Because he's

2:55

going to get a lot of bookings. And

2:58

Eddie didn't lose anything. No. When

3:01

he did the job, people didn't walk out of there and

3:03

go, you know what, I was an Eddie fan until tonight.

3:07

He knew that he wasn't going to lose

3:09

anything. It was best for business. We

3:11

need so many more guys like that in

3:14

our business. And

3:16

it's hard because when you get, I

3:19

know when you get caught up in your feelings, right? And

3:23

you're trying to get out of whatever spot they

3:25

put you in. And they

3:27

keep loading the L's on you on TV. It

3:29

does with you. I mean, you can, everyone can

3:32

lie and say, oh no, no, no, but it

3:34

does. It does put a thing like,

3:36

what am I not doing? You

3:39

know, or, you know, or it's like, Oh, it's

3:41

my turn. No big deal. But then your

3:43

turn is, well, you're really good at it. You're

3:46

really good at getting guys over. So this is what you're going

3:49

to do. And

3:51

your career kind of stops and then you

3:53

become the guy getting people ready. And

3:56

I always, I always, one

3:58

of my favorite guys to work with. was

4:01

uh TJ Wilson and TJ if a

4:03

guy came in and you

4:05

had to wrestle TJ they were gonna call TJ

4:07

after that match and be like how was he

4:10

can this guy go that's how good TJ

4:12

was and there was several guys like that

4:15

uh Dustin was another guy uh yep

4:18

where if you could work Dustin or

4:21

Dustin could get you through a match he

4:23

could come back and he would say to Vince or John like

4:26

hey the kid needs this he needs that and Dustin was always

4:28

fair he was not a he

4:30

was not a grizzled vet who was tired and

4:32

pissed off everybody he worked with he tried to

4:34

make look a million bucks uh

4:36

and that's just something that's one of those unteachable

4:38

things that and the reason why uh he's

4:41

a two two character hall of famer gold

4:44

dust and Dustin Rose are both in my

4:46

opinion hall of famers legit hall of famers

4:48

uh no questions asked and

4:51

um so to be

4:53

in that role uh can be frustrating if

4:55

you're not ready to be in that role because

4:57

you know TJ just off his work alone should have

4:59

been in every title pitcher intercontinental United States and they

5:01

were even trying to put him with a heater and

5:03

I was on the short list of being his heater

5:06

um when he was finally going to

5:08

get his rightful push and then of course the the

5:10

heater that they picked uh had

5:13

a malfunction and um the whole thing went

5:15

to and I remember being extremely upset about

5:17

that but to Eddie's point he was

5:19

one of those few guys that he it just didn't

5:21

matter if he won or not you loved him no

5:23

matter what and that's a magical thing to be able

5:25

to do because uh if

5:27

winning wasn't important Hogan wouldn't have been

5:29

undefeated for five years you know I'm

5:31

saying like winning even though it matters

5:33

it does especially with big guys it

5:35

matters like they came in the right

5:38

spot in the right spot yeah yeah like

5:40

big show was probably the most mishandled star

5:42

in the history of the business the

5:45

guys that beat big show in a match

5:47

should be on a a short a shorthand

5:49

you know I'm saying three

5:52

fingers tops you know because of

5:55

we he was he

5:57

looked the part the you know what

5:59

his biggest problem was, you know what big

6:01

shows biggest problem was, because he could

6:03

work so well. That,

6:06

that was his sin. Because

6:08

if he would have held back and been like, Oh,

6:10

the big guy can't do this and do that, maybe

6:12

they would have treated him differently. But the fact is

6:15

like, he could be like Ray Mysterio can suplex him.

6:18

Uh, you know what I'm saying? And, uh,

6:20

he could make it look, he didn't just do, man.

6:24

He, yeah. Like, I remember when Brad Armstrong taught

6:27

me the head scissor takeover, right? I was so

6:29

excited. I was doing it. I was doing it

6:31

on big Rick want, and I was so

6:33

excited about it. And I wanted, I couldn't wait to do it in

6:35

the ring that night. And I remember Norman smiley came over to me

6:37

and goes, as cool as that is. If

6:40

it's not a finish, what

6:42

does it mean that you just jumped in the air, scissored

6:44

the guy and threw him across the ring? Looks awesome. But

6:47

unless you're pinning them, it, and what does it

6:49

make when the, when the little guys do it

6:51

in the opening match, it's not special anymore. And

6:53

I, that made sense to me. So

6:56

I might, and maybe it hurt my career at times

6:59

because I'd be like, Oh, I could come off the top rope with

7:01

a splash, but I was like, yeah, but I don't want to do

7:03

that. The Usos do that. So I'll come off the second that

7:05

way. At the same time, you're not, huh? Oh

7:10

yeah. You were on the receiving end. You were on

7:12

the receiving end. One of those bad boys. I

7:14

have been on the wrong end of that more times

7:16

than probably almost anyone. Yeah.

7:20

But I will say this never

7:22

once was I hurt. Yeah,

7:25

no. Yeah. It was I, and

7:27

I did something weird. I slapped the mat and I

7:30

remember Jamie Noble came over and he goes,

7:32

Hey, fuck, are you doing different on that splash? It's

7:34

getting that reaction. And I said, I slapped

7:36

the mat. He was, we'll keep doing it. Like

7:38

you got it boss. No,

7:42

no one, no one ever accused Jamie Noble

7:44

of, of taking the long way to get

7:46

you somewhere. You

7:48

come through the curtains. No, we'll be like,

7:50

that was the, I just forget

7:53

it and move on. Tomorrow's a

7:55

better day, but you better have a better day

7:57

tomorrow. I'm just, just keeping it real with you,

7:59

buddy. You never. I always appreciate

8:01

at about Jamie you know you always knew

8:03

where you stood with him A there was

8:05

no yeah there was no like ah man

8:07

that there was no smiley face he'd never

8:09

tell you like good match if it was

8:11

it. You can,

8:14

We suggest that you can get better

8:16

with that. For the man, I hate.

8:20

The. Are you do a good match?

8:22

Because Ahmed I'm like what part was good.

8:24

With. Horses you let. And. They'll

8:27

just looking like you didn't even watch it. Or.

8:29

Ha ha. Ha! Site.

8:33

As is going on. a gut feel

8:35

so that you guys appreciate this. So

8:37

after every show I can walking out

8:39

the producers always say the same thing

8:41

grade so. Oh great. So and

8:43

I'm like since they say the same thing

8:45

every night on my list to say in

8:47

the beginning. So. When I walk

8:49

in the green room a great so everybody

8:51

well done way to bring his you get

8:53

high five. And a look him in that what

8:55

you this, what you're going to tell me no matter what. So.

8:58

We say earlier list is this is good

9:00

the earth is not stand on ceremony air

9:02

or says get it all out and act

9:04

accordingly So. So. Now as I got

9:06

whenever they see me on my great job guys! He

9:09

killed. It and like we haven't done it. I've

9:11

a. Felony. Great

9:13

job result. I am now have just a wee

9:16

puts I'm not a big person and putting the

9:18

cart before the horse but I feel with this.

9:23

Where. Got a amulet boys were gonna kill

9:25

it and we were talking about oh

9:27

legends just i get all over the

9:29

place people that we wanted to emulate

9:32

in.zz said the Eddie Guerrero was his

9:34

guys were just time my who Etti

9:36

was a genius in in is because

9:38

he would always. Put. Guys

9:40

over and always wrestle their top guy and put

9:42

him over. And. And so he asks

9:44

Everybody wanted him. And. I said but he

9:46

was a one guy. That. Could afford

9:48

else because nobody cared when it came to whether

9:51

Etti won or lost They just one. cm. Began.

9:54

work with sells his work with so solid so

9:56

even as he lost the did that in care

9:58

where i was like certain guys, it hates

10:00

that you have to protect that L because

10:03

it's a difference on losing on all the indies

10:05

when you get rehired from one of the bigger

10:07

companies. Like, Oh, this guy's job and everywhere. They

10:09

never look to say, well, why is he jobbing?

10:12

Like this guy's getting, he's

10:14

coming out and he's making stars. He's

10:16

doing, he's doing

10:18

more for someone than coming in and winning. Yeah.

10:22

And you know what? I'm very surprised that,

10:24

um, where like you have

10:26

people in charge today at, uh,

10:28

at WWE that should know better, but

10:31

yet they, and I don't want to

10:33

say like fall victim to

10:36

the internet. And at some point,

10:39

you know, the, the people said, okay, we have

10:41

to make this concession. Now I know

10:43

like where the internet has taken over and it's,

10:46

it has affected the world and

10:48

right. And on every single level,

10:51

right. And it's our

10:53

business is no different, but past

10:55

that, like they, they gave up

10:57

control. Right. Really in, in, in,

11:00

in, like, yeah, like

11:02

making like, we're the ones who say, we're

11:04

going to make the stars and we have

11:06

the hour to judge what's good

11:08

and what's not. And especially with these

11:11

people coming up through the business, the way they did.

11:14

You know, I'm, I'm just surprised that

11:16

the concessions have been made to

11:18

give people like Dave Meltzer power, because if they

11:20

really wanted to have the

11:23

power, they could take it away from Meltzer. Right.

11:25

Think about that. Yep. You're

11:27

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11:29

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your happy price, Priceline. I don't

12:02

don't don't with wrestling. Now I'm a

12:04

girl. Contemplating. Walking away from

12:06

at all. So. Anyway, wade some,

12:08

I'll be the one by no no, take

12:10

my eyes but not Aaron away from wrestling

12:12

air. And why would you say such a

12:15

thing? No. No

12:17

No, I'm I'm. I'm. Talking about

12:19

just. Emotionally right? Oh

12:21

area get so invested in that's not

12:23

a thank you. I appreciate you biting

12:26

tires that out fitness and I'm proud

12:28

of you. I understand that you in

12:30

our arm as. Distinguish.

12:32

Trainer we had on a last week. Or

12:35

you're working together now and and

12:37

good things are coming. the I

12:39

drink. Is. Really?

12:42

Good. Yep, like. It tastes

12:44

like I'm not. I got my arm at

12:46

as it exists. you got his to write

12:48

were So right now I get one. Are

12:50

ya to get one? Am I? Now I

12:53

meant to tell me apparently Huge is not

12:55

what's the were watching for of. Ah,

12:58

tracts know. What

13:01

I'm not over aesthetically incline. You

13:04

need a permit. You. Don't I get

13:06

and I don't know how to say this man

13:09

puts it is. Easy. To damper

13:11

man, K L Rt it's time, mobile.

13:13

It's time, less brutal, it's timers or

13:15

no, we're not there yet. Know where

13:17

there were all? There are all of

13:19

their god for air and was literally

13:22

on the phone when Hairstyle was. that's

13:24

why he was in here today programme.

13:26

Guess. Never. If. You had

13:28

Oh My. God. I

13:31

said and I would get out be the

13:33

first one in line. With

13:37

a from as a deal oh why I

13:39

would have whatever it is dude wants he's

13:41

guess I will get him line, I will

13:44

run a new one on one leg and

13:46

literally. Hit the wrong. he

13:48

gets me with the the patented head

13:50

but. I. Down elf he had say

13:52

but he count of three I'd taken

13:54

out he can demand of five gas

13:56

and air I'm talking like form on

13:59

my face town. Three would is other hand.

14:01

I mean hell I'm even on our even allow

14:03

a sex pin at this point where you hook

14:05

allowed on a guy. I'm back. One

14:07

the farmer you say your citizenship in

14:09

the prime busy. Second problem is they're

14:11

talented. Want to and somewhere spam banner?

14:14

Terry Gordon's open up. hit the go

14:16

see him Harleys in the building. Every

14:18

man we're out of pants and a

14:20

history of this business that hell even

14:22

Johnny Be bad we be like oh

14:24

my god look what he's doing. But

14:26

everybody retirement are you good at Cedar

14:28

said he would come back, dance and

14:30

again Booker T would be like the

14:33

first Plot brother testify like every you

14:35

know audibly ever will be. You both.

14:37

The amounts of money. They're The

14:39

amounts of money. The amounts of

14:42

money. On socket

14:44

dump trucks or wrote that really

14:46

course as literally if he'd be

14:48

willing to trade is musician ability

14:51

to build Iraq To build Iraq

14:53

a perm like you ten. Thousand.

14:56

Precept was what hours of percent as

14:58

felonies? Then we get an image of

15:00

forever with the park because at this

15:03

could single handedly. Resolve.

15:05

Our political climate in the

15:07

country? Oh yes, apart. And.

15:10

Like the just loses the microphone says down.

15:13

Specific set of. it's all we need. I

15:16

have anybody out there listening it

15:18

again. I will concede to this.

15:21

If. Anybody out there listening and

15:23

are great? What's the word? out?

15:26

That. Not technologically advanced,

15:29

Going. To say I have moved.

15:31

With. A perm. I'll think about it about

15:33

that like a lot of get it out.

15:36

Think about it. Okay, and

15:38

it has to be his hair color

15:40

discovery. Any like, don't get. It.

15:42

Was that was like Bozo the clown has the

15:44

was like got of her with his own an

15:46

apple her cooker, that area of. Fall.

15:49

Oh no, I wanted blonde. Listen.

15:52

i'm talking we got the next playboy

15:54

bunny rose lazy gentleman for all her

15:56

coffin of a lot yeah oh yeah

15:58

managed something And he drops everybody the

16:00

midget Mike if he ain't got time

16:02

for that He's managed by

16:04

Aaron Aaron Aaron's got to come out and

16:06

get a special glove and we

16:09

need to put a crown on that We need

16:11

to bring back the royalty. I we need to

16:13

get the purple crown and cape back We need

16:15

to bring it needs to be a ceremony a

16:17

real corny a coronation Yeah

16:19

on NWA by air. I Will

16:23

be there to present the crown You

16:27

Know and you know what just so the tag team

16:29

doesn't break up We will get Mike a nice little

16:31

court gesture outfit to go along with

16:34

King all hail Oh,

16:36

he would he has he's got a he's got a family

16:38

to feed he'll fall in line. He'll fall.

16:41

He better He better or they'll

16:43

start although I'll get that Chant that

16:45

I almost sent you this weekend where a

16:47

whole crowd was chanting you Mike now Keep

16:49

sending that to him until he gets with

16:52

the program. So you got me fired up,

16:54

man. I'm sweating now. I'm sweltering now. I'm ready Man,

16:57

let's let's sign a contract Aaron one more. Let's

16:59

go This term thing

17:01

is just money. This is like

17:03

Liberace in a piano. It can't

17:05

lose It

17:10

can lose I

17:13

don't know Please God Billy

17:15

don't you listen to this episode? Oh

17:18

I'm I'm texting Billy right now and he's

17:20

taking me back. I will

17:22

gladly donate it one of my guitars to

17:25

get this perm going No,

17:31

sir, no, you already agree I got

17:33

I've got people on it this is

17:35

I'm in the Fox News building they got the people who made

17:39

Marvel movies on like floor 17. I'll

17:41

find somebody to make this happen I Thought

17:46

where are they gonna go to find it? Actually, you

17:48

know what you're on a video game. It's

17:50

not gonna be that hard As

17:53

you're a downloadable character, you're a

17:55

downloadable character on WWE Doesn't

18:00

matter the body's in there. They can doubt

18:02

my son will my son will have you

18:04

I will call that see when you want

18:06

something done I will call my

18:08

son and be like listen. I need a customized

18:12

Trevor murdock, uh wrestling guy,

18:14

but I need him to have hair like harley race.

18:16

Can you make it happen? And

18:18

then he'll say dad are you sure and i'm like

18:20

i'm sure I'm

18:23

black I'm ready to

18:26

go and we will make this

18:28

happen. This will happen Because

18:31

I I would pay money to see trevor in

18:33

the purple trunks with the gold crown on his

18:35

butt on the corner My harley

18:37

had I would with the purple boots.

18:39

I mean, I mean Yeah,

18:43

but they have to watch to crucify you You're

18:46

missing the point. Oh tyris

18:49

tyris. Uh, why? Internet

18:51

guys don't like you I said, but

18:53

are they watching while they're complaining? Yeah,

18:55

then shut the fuck up. I won

18:57

I'm winning. I'm not watching them

19:00

What was his name chris salvado or whatever

19:03

the hell is? Oh Don't

19:05

bring that name up in arizona. Yeah. Yeah, we

19:07

will have a We'll have a

19:09

private conversation about that one. Let me tell

19:11

you. Hey that that uh, promo he cut

19:13

the other day It was just pure gold

19:16

I'm gonna hold a wine glass for no apparent reason

19:19

It's just Sometimes

19:23

you just watch promos and stuff and you're

19:25

just like what what what are we what

19:27

why did we No,

19:29

you know what? I had to do Like

19:32

uh, well, is this the time replaced

19:34

to? Make a yeah.

19:36

Yeah, let's see. Yes, we we've got some

19:38

theories You know the idea,

19:40

you know what? No,

19:43

you know when in doubt i'm always throwing back to the

19:45

perm. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Hey, listen You

19:47

know managing him you're gonna have to do a perm also

19:53

And we need to get you the precious spray can Because

19:56

here's the deal. Aaron can pull off a

19:58

garban. Aaron could pull off a He can

20:00

pull off a garb. He can pull off a garb.

20:02

Oh man, what have we got going on here? We

20:04

got the new Rhythm & Blues. We've got Aaron with

20:07

a Jerry Curl and we got Trevor

20:09

with a perm. Bro.

20:13

Well, if we're going to go down far, Aaron's got to get back

20:15

in the ring and work. No, he's going to have the hair salon.

20:20

The hair salon, when you come on

20:22

and you get interviewed. Listen, man, GZ,

20:25

are you taking notes on this? I'm

20:27

dropping gold right now. F***ing

20:30

gold. I mean, barred up for you. Ready

20:32

to go. Yep. Alright,

20:34

man. Somebody

20:39

call my mama right now and just tell her

20:41

I'm winning. Just I'm winning right now. Yeah.

20:44

Money. I

20:46

mean, Trevor and I are going to be everybody. Still

20:48

be old. Anyway, still be old. What'd that guy do,

20:50

Aaron? No, sorry. This was

20:53

just... Sorry, Matt. And

20:55

show for EC3. And

20:59

I was actually... I was stepping

21:01

into the ring. It's a tag match. We're

21:03

trying to help him get Exodus Pro up

21:05

in Cleveland up and running. And

21:09

it's working, right? People are going there.

21:11

They're having awesome shows. So

21:14

I'm in there and I put

21:16

together the match, which as all

21:18

of you know, takes about five

21:20

f***ing minutes. Sorry, I'm swearing, but

21:22

that's the level of... You're upset.

21:25

I'm upset. I'm upset. Then

21:29

one person in the match who's been

21:31

wrestling maybe two years, maybe three,

21:33

I don't know, comes

21:36

up to me and says, hey, I think we should

21:38

do... Like I think we

21:41

should do this, this, and then it starts

21:43

changing the game plan after I have just

21:45

put it together with all parties

21:47

involved, including the referee. I

21:50

then say, you know what? This

21:52

would be better because there's intricacies involved

21:54

in it, right? Right. Put

21:57

it together and he started again.

21:59

And then he... to the agent and

22:01

the agent starts coming up to me and I and I

22:03

said hey are you

22:05

guys aware that I've been doing this for a while? I

22:09

go I would probably think the

22:11

smartest thing you could do would be to

22:13

not change what I put together because it's

22:15

probably going to be awesome and then I

22:18

walked away and I didn't talk about the

22:20

comeback with the guy or anything because I

22:22

was so upset and I was like maybe

22:25

this is me getting emotionally out

22:27

of balance again right which

22:29

we don't want. No. So

22:32

I bit my tongue on a lot of stuff. EC3

22:35

that assured me that I reacted

22:38

like a G and didn't you

22:41

know I didn't go overboard but I could have.

22:43

I had the license to do that but I

22:45

smoothed it out. We get to the NWA show

22:47

we're in a production meeting and

22:50

I'm given a mask to agent I

22:52

say okay I think this is the best game plan

22:55

and then someone

22:57

who will remain nameless like

23:01

speaks up and then starts telling

23:03

me in front of the entire production

23:06

meeting what I

23:08

should be thinking about doing for this mask and

23:12

I just looked at him and I was like hey man I

23:16

got it thank you and

23:18

uh you thank him hold on with

23:20

a car hold on with a

23:22

car wash you thank him. He did

23:25

it professionally in front of the boss and man that's

23:27

when you look at Billy and you need to see

23:29

this is why you guys miss me because I would

23:31

have been in that meeting and I would have said

23:34

some like this who was this speaking

23:36

to me as if I needed his counsel and

23:39

once we recognize him throw him the f*** out you're

23:42

an idiot you you had we're

23:44

getting there we had you had no

23:47

you had two matches in 10 years

23:49

and both of them were awful

23:52

and what were you what were you what

23:54

is your vision I

23:57

just when guys like that who The

24:00

problem is they get around this the biggest

24:02

problem with wrestling is pretend wrestlers That

24:05

are in the wrestling business who and you

24:07

always can tell a guy who's playing wrestler

24:09

because he has no idea of knowledge history

24:12

or even Decorum

24:15

in a wrestling setting now the three of

24:17

us are veterans and we've been doing this

24:19

for a long time And if

24:21

Undertaker came in right now and we had a

24:23

match and Undertaker was in that match And all

24:25

three of us would not say a word Not

24:28

a word what except this what do

24:30

you want to do boss? That's

24:33

it Now

24:35

but oh, but Taurus you're more popular and

24:37

none on wrestling ring. I'm not Not

24:40

is not with his let he is a

24:42

he is a Hall of Fame veteran if Haku

24:46

and the and Barbarian teamed up to

24:48

take on me and Trevor which I

24:51

don't those guys want to live a long life

24:53

So they're not gonna do that. They won't make

24:55

that magic would be so magical. Yes It what

24:57

and you would be bruised up because I'm I

24:59

gotta protect my face for TV But

25:04

uh but again What

25:08

would you like to do boss? Now

25:11

they might say hey Trevor, I

25:13

like the way you work What do you want

25:15

to do with this and this then you say okay

25:18

here Mike and if you have three ideas Give

25:20

them your one best one Give them the one

25:22

that's gonna make them come back after the match

25:24

and be like hey, man That was a good

25:26

call next time I work with you. I'm

25:28

gonna let you work a little more You know

25:31

I'm saying like you you don't walk in the room

25:33

and be like hey taker. I got some ideas Well,

25:36

I'm gonna go even one more

25:38

a real veteran will have ideas

25:40

for that guy Like I saw you

25:42

I remember this spot. Yes Do

25:45

you think we could do the yeah? Can

25:47

we do the spot you did with Albert

25:49

with the clothesline up the flying clothes line up to

25:51

the outside and then I can I? Powder

25:54

and sell that for you. Yeah

25:56

you 1,000% you dazzle them with

25:58

your knowledge of them them, which makes

26:01

them say, Hey, you know what, I'm,

26:03

uh, I'm kind of excited to work in this with this guy

26:05

now. Not more before. It's like, Oh, I got to carry all

26:08

this dead weight. And then they, then you come in there

26:10

and you start telling them all the spots you want to do. And

26:12

it's like, there's not even a hello anymore. You

26:16

know, so, uh, Aaron, given your,

26:19

uh, your

26:21

resume, uh, you've worked for literally every company

26:23

and you've been a main

26:26

eventer in every situation you've been in, uh,

26:29

and just alone the time you spent in

26:31

Puerto Rico alone is an average

26:33

person's career. So

26:35

for you to say, Hey guys, this is what I got.

26:38

And to be interrupted by a guy

26:40

who's honestly infamous with

26:43

the boys for being ridiculous.

26:46

He doesn't know it though. No, he does

26:48

not know. No. And

26:51

that's even worse. Not knowing where you

26:53

stand with the boys means you don't stand anywhere with them

26:56

because obviously you've done something for them not to feel

26:58

like they want to talk to you because, and then

27:00

90% of it is the,

27:02

the I'm playing wrestler. I know

27:05

I'm, I'm the best wrestler at

27:07

my wrestling school. Okay.

27:09

That's like being the

27:11

fastest one legged guy.

27:16

I'm the fastest one legged runner in the world. I can

27:18

beat anybody with one leg. Yeah. Well,

27:20

most races are with two. So,

27:23

but yeah, Hey, it looks good on you though, bro. And

27:26

that's the thing, right? Like, so we're, we're talking

27:28

about like wrestling right now, right? So this is

27:30

the problem that was because

27:32

where's it coming from? Right? Like

27:34

we, that was never an issue. And you can

27:37

argue like the generation before us said, Oh, well,

27:39

those guys aren't as big as us and they,

27:41

they do too much. We

27:43

say the same stuff about people

27:45

now, although the people now completely

27:47

destroy the business. Right. Right.

27:50

Like completely destroy the business, but, or

27:52

some of them do, but, um, like

27:55

it's like that everywhere to where there

27:57

is no sense of like respect. for

28:01

people that have, okay, it's not just respect because

28:04

they've been doing it longer, but

28:06

respect in the sense of like, I

28:09

am so much better at this than you

28:11

will ever be. And everything

28:14

that I'm saying, there

28:16

is a reason for it because we wanna blow the

28:18

roof off the place at the end. So

28:20

shut up. But the point to that is, it

28:22

shouldn't have to get to that point

28:25

where you feel like you have to be

28:27

aggressive with trying to

28:30

pass the torch. Because here's the thing, you

28:34

could get jobs in other places right now if

28:36

you put your feelers out. The individuals

28:38

that correcting you doesn't

28:41

even have one where he's at. Should

28:43

be lucky to be where they're at. But

28:45

that's the issue. We see the issue. And

28:47

I think we're seeing the Aaron approach

28:50

by a lot of the veterans where they just throw up

28:52

their hands and like, go ahead. It's

28:55

your world, bro. Well,

28:57

the thing is, is it have

29:00

to in those situations? Because those

29:02

guys, eventually you

29:04

give, what's this guy, you give a guy

29:06

enough rope? He'll hang himself. Hang himself, yeah.

29:09

Let him, let him, you know, we need

29:11

to be focusing our energies on

29:13

the guys that do come up and ask for

29:16

the honest opinion on what can I

29:18

do to make ourselves better. And Aaron, I'll be honest

29:20

with you, bro. You're killing it. Like,

29:23

how many guys do you got under your wing

29:26

that are, that you're not literally going out

29:28

on TV and working with them directly that

29:30

come to you? Well, you got Joe, what

29:32

Joe Alonso, slime balls,

29:34

you've got, what's

29:36

my favorite ass? He's

29:39

just like you. Carson Drake.

29:41

Yeah. Like, what, remember his name?

29:44

Hold it right there. We'll be back in a hot minute. But

29:46

like, and I'll say this, right? When someone

29:48

like Tim Storm and Jack Dain, when they,

29:51

they, they're doing an entire, not

29:53

to get too much into it. They were like,

29:55

what do we do with the presentation on this?

29:57

And I suggested it to him. put

30:00

a plan together and it worked, right? And

30:02

what's interesting, right? The second you start doing

30:04

something and it's working. And

30:08

God, this is like in every aspect of

30:10

life. When I stepped

30:12

away from the ring, one of the things I was really kind

30:15

of, you know, good

30:17

at that I knew I was, was character

30:19

presentation on television, right? So, you

30:21

know, we're given the Kazanas, the new coat of paint,

30:23

which I'm very excited about actually, the

30:26

Tim Storm thing. And there's a lot

30:28

of stuff that like, okay, we can improve the show

30:30

this way. So when that starts

30:32

happening, everyone else wants to try to put

30:34

their fingers in it. And then there's other

30:37

veterans going like, oh yeah. So I think

30:39

I'm gonna be working in the character stuff

30:42

too, and this and that. And I'm like, whatever,

30:44

you know? So it's just a- Those

30:46

of you who love when they say, and then

30:48

I'll make this face and then I'll go grr.

30:50

And then you'll go and I'll be like, I'm

30:52

not remembering that. The are you talking about you?

30:55

Yeah. Are you calling expressions? Yeah.

30:59

That's the thing where I'm like- Calling

31:01

emotions. Hey, listen, I, Aaron

31:05

is a better human being than I am, in

31:08

all phases, except maybe- On the outside. On the

31:10

outside, yep. And I, it was a guy

31:14

that used to tag with Odenson. What

31:19

was his name? Pero? Yeah.

31:22

And GZ, you'll love

31:24

this GZ. So this is before

31:26

GZ and I got together. So

31:29

GZ wasn't able to make jokes with me on this one going out

31:31

to the ring. So we

31:33

got a big four man tag, big four man tag. When

31:38

you get six man tags or four man

31:40

tags on a pay-per-view or

31:42

whatever, you have basically the night off. Everyone

31:45

gets a little spot, a little shine. And then

31:47

the guy who's going over that night, he's getting

31:50

the W and then we move on. So

31:52

the storyline was that I hit my

31:54

finish at the time of

31:59

the Mass Dude. Um, uh,

32:03

what the hell? My own

32:05

sign on. Yeah. Sion sneaks behind

32:07

me and steals the pin. And

32:09

so, and which leads to me and him going into

32:11

the, I think it was television, uh,

32:14

championship feud or whatever, and, uh,

32:16

we were both managed by the same guy, so it

32:18

was an interesting dynamic, but, uh,

32:21

but the, that was the whole, the focus of the

32:23

match was to that finish, right? So,

32:25

uh, everyone's kind of talking around and seeing what they're doing.

32:28

I kind of like, Oh, I'll get him during the heat.

32:30

I'll call the heat out there. I really don't plan much

32:32

heat. There's a couple of things to look for, but I'll,

32:34

you know, just listen. That's, so I'm

32:36

like, you know, and then Para goes, Hey, uh, I thought maybe you

32:38

and I could open and I was like, uh, okay, how do you,

32:40

how do you want to do that? And,

32:43

you know, instead of getting like the smaller guys going,

32:45

you know, to get the crowd up and then we

32:47

come in and do our thing, he's

32:49

like, yeah, I'll get you the big clothesline. You

32:51

bump, you jump up, don't sell it. You close

32:53

line me. I won't sell it. Get up. Mind

32:55

you I'm a foot taller. And, uh, he's

32:57

a big dude, but he's a big average dude in

33:00

terms of like, he's not a monster and I was

33:02

like, uh, okay. Then I slam you, you slam me.

33:04

Was that right? Aaron, it was slam. It was close

33:06

line, close line. Slam slam.

33:09

Uh, he hits the big boot, knocks me out.

33:12

Uh, he gets distracted. I actively forgot it.

33:14

Yeah. And then he pulls me out to

33:16

the floor. We fight in the floor. We

33:18

roll back in. I cut him off with

33:20

something and then I tag in another guy

33:22

and then he reverses it and gets another

33:24

bunch of a power bomb in or some

33:26

like that. And I'm just looking at him,

33:28

opening spot. I'm just looking at him. I

33:30

looked over at, uh, Aaron, the guy said, yeah, sure. All

33:33

right, cool. We'll do that. See you out there. And,

33:36

um, I

33:38

was like, this doesn't make any sense,

33:40

but okay. So, uh, we're getting

33:42

ready to go out in the ring. We're coming out and I

33:44

see he steps through. So I stepped through the thing and everyone's

33:46

like, Oh shit. And he's like, remember, remember? He looks at me

33:48

like, you got it. I'm like, yeah, I got it. And,

33:51

uh, we circled around and, uh, told,

33:55

uh, I looked at Pope, looked

33:57

at them, looked at him, told him to

33:59

kiss my. and I kissed my hand, slapped

34:01

my turn and tagged in a scion. I'm

34:04

like, he's all yours, bro. And

34:07

he just looked at, absolutely

34:09

looked at me like, what is

34:11

going on? I'm like, you got it, man. Too

34:13

tough. It's all you, bro. And

34:16

I was like, that's it. Cause I just felt there was no

34:18

point in saying, save

34:21

our bumps to the end. It'll

34:24

mean something. The two biggest

34:26

guys in the ring and we're bumping in the opening spot

34:28

when we got two super cruiser ways

34:30

who could start out flying all over the place and

34:32

get everybody hyped up and then we shut them down,

34:34

whatever the case may be. But he just wanted to

34:36

get all the in on the most, what he figured

34:38

most famous guy in the group, the most

34:40

over guy in the group. His idea was if I can get

34:43

a bunch of on Tyress, I'm going to be over instead

34:45

of working for a great match to where everyone's like, oh man,

34:48

I want to work with him again. And

34:51

then of course I completely just

34:53

wouldn't took my ball and went home. Artistically.

34:57

That was good for him. You know, we all get

34:59

in spots. How many times have we gotten into the

35:01

ring and we've been looked at like

35:03

up plans have changed. Yep. Oh God. Yeah. Good

35:06

for him. That's a good learning experience for

35:08

him. Secondly, man, what

35:11

an idiot. What

35:14

did I mean? What an idiot,

35:16

any young person that is with any young

35:18

worker listening to this, what

35:20

Pero did was absolutely the wrong thing

35:23

to do. Like that is goes

35:25

completely against everything we've done. Number one,

35:28

number two, don't work. No.

35:31

Like you get a pop for a second and then

35:34

everybody else has got to struggle to top that. Well,

35:36

not to mention it's like what else you got? Yeah.

35:41

Yeah. You have to pay off at the end too. So

35:45

yeah. But you already

35:47

seen the two big guys knock themselves

35:49

out. Yep. It's

35:51

literally like, all right. If you want to go watch

35:54

a Marvel movie and

35:56

they show all of the big

35:59

explosions. and they heal getting

36:02

their comeuppance right at

36:04

the beginning and then you play the movie in

36:06

reverse it's not gonna have the same effect no

36:10

that's all there's a right

36:14

way and a wrong way to do stuff and that's why I like

36:16

to a lot of younger people like if

36:20

you asked people that know what

36:22

they're doing that have been places

36:24

and made money at it

36:26

like done this on television and made

36:28

money you know nine

36:30

times out of ten you're gonna get some some

36:34

information that you can use right but like if

36:37

you don't do that and then on you

36:40

know past that rather if you don't apply it stop

36:43

wasting your breath because that's that's

36:45

what I found I've just been

36:47

I don't know like on one

36:49

side there's some really good talent out there and then

36:51

on the other side like the attitude

36:54

in general is just it's

36:57

a born considering like if

36:59

you compare it to when when we broke

37:02

into business and I don't give a sound

37:04

old but it's there is zero like respect

37:08

for people and

37:10

then that's yeah that's that's why I kind

37:12

of was almost at my boiling point I

37:14

haven't completely flipped out yet but I'm getting

37:16

there I don't know I

37:18

still said sir to every guy as a

37:21

veteran above me that somebody that had done

37:23

something it was always yes sir no sir

37:25

I don't know I almost went

37:27

into a almost almost

37:29

like a kid again I didn't get I didn't

37:31

speak until I was spoken to especially around a

37:34

guy like Harlan because if you

37:36

were talking you couldn't hear what he was

37:38

saying you know what I mean just shut

37:41

your mouth and listen I got the

37:43

knowledge that'll be dropped on you'll be

37:46

like gold right you

37:50

know guys would just be quiet

37:52

for a minute and listen that's

37:54

a lot though that's a lot we've had

37:56

a huge bitch Yeah,

38:01

it has been really kind of a,

38:04

I feel better though. I do. Sometimes

38:07

you got to have that, you know, but

38:11

it's, it's not even, it's

38:13

not even, these are all easy

38:15

fixes. You

38:19

know, it's, yeah, it's

38:22

about everybody gets your feelings

38:24

hurt. Now, Daisy, you raise their voice.

38:26

If you're being professional and

38:28

you want to truly be better and

38:30

you're not delusional, you

38:33

know, guy, I will listen

38:35

to guys talk how over they are. And I'm like,

38:37

bruh, you're not. If

38:39

you were, things would be

38:41

a lot different for you. And you

38:43

know, but they, they're over because they

38:46

have, they listen to their own hype

38:48

or their own comments or their own,

38:50

like whatever little fans they have or

38:53

how over they are with no actual

38:55

idea what getting over even means, you

38:58

know, and they, they just, and the

39:00

easiest thing is just check your, check your ego at the

39:02

door when you walk in the building. Yeah.

39:07

And I've never met a, I mean,

39:09

I'm not going to say I've never, but

39:11

most guys that are super over never had

39:13

to tell me. Yeah.

39:15

You just knew like,

39:18

you know what I mean? Like that's the

39:20

big part of it. Guys having to convince

39:22

me that you're over. Yeah. Which you

39:24

should never have to do. Right.

39:28

Yeah. Yeah.

39:32

But nobody wants credit to some

39:34

of those guys that are speaking of a and

39:37

even, they should be exactly what we're talking

39:39

about. Not, they don't speak

39:41

until someone speaks directly to them.

39:44

Here's open mouth shut. Listen,

39:47

is that, is the problem.

39:49

They get to nowadays where they don't really necessarily have to

39:53

play dues to be on TV. So

40:00

they're, they're, I'm in the same place you are.

40:05

Yes. And no, I think, um,

40:09

because all right. On number

40:11

one, yes, we're in the same

40:14

place, but we're not, you

40:16

know, in the same job

40:18

description, shall we say, um, where

40:21

people have, because

40:24

they, they want to prove their worth and

40:26

they almost have this, this

40:29

kind of it's in the back of their heads that

40:31

like to, to justify them being

40:33

there, they have to contribute something, right?

40:36

And compensating doing that.

40:38

Yeah. And like sometimes, Hey,

40:41

you need to just go relay messages,

40:43

give, give time cues to people,

40:45

whatever it is. Cause we've all started

40:47

there and past

40:49

that, you know what I blame like, and I look

40:52

back at it cause I was like, you said, Tyres

40:54

and then Trevor, you know, this GC like I'm very

40:56

like, Oh, who cares? Like I'd throw it off. It's

40:59

that kind of an attitude that I regret

41:02

having, um, you know,

41:04

or, or not maybe having more of

41:06

like the sense to protect

41:08

the business because I was frankly, self-absorbed.

41:10

And I think the guys

41:13

like at our generation, because

41:15

we didn't really want to

41:18

bully people and like the hazing and

41:20

all that we, our generation wasn't about that,

41:23

but there is something

41:25

that has been lost in

41:28

terms of the sacredness of being

41:31

in the business and being a part

41:33

of the business. Right. And I guess

41:35

a great point, but there's

41:38

some like the mystique is gone. Exactly.

41:41

You know, thousand

41:45

percent, you know, because that's, it's

41:47

the, they made it easier to get to the

41:49

dance, but that doesn't maybe

41:52

hazing definitely isn't the answer. But

41:55

at the same, you know, but

41:57

earning it, there still has to be. something,

42:02

you know what I'm saying, like some

42:04

merit to get where you need to go. And

42:06

some of it's because sometimes a lot of times in fairness

42:10

to some of it, but I'm talking about guys who

42:12

are not in the main companies because

42:14

then it's different, you

42:17

know what I'm saying, like it's completely different

42:20

because it's a writer

42:22

or it's or it's Triple

42:24

H or it's or whomever that your agent

42:27

is who decides to say, hey I

42:33

want this tonight and I want this

42:35

guy up

42:39

over this way and you

42:41

know you'll get him next week. There is

42:43

absolutely nothing you can do. Yep.

42:47

You know. Yeah. And

42:50

there's nothing. That's a little different.

42:52

You do what you're

42:54

asked to do and that's it. But

42:59

you're also getting paid very, very

43:01

well. Yeah. So that's the exception

43:03

of the rule. Yeah. Is when

43:05

someone else tells you, hey, we

43:10

need this tonight. And

43:13

you do it because that's what you

43:15

do what the fuck you were

43:17

told to do at a high

43:19

fucking level with the idea of meaning that,

43:21

hey, I'm going to

43:23

get rewarded for this with a push or a

43:25

title shot. You know, that's why you do what

43:28

you do, you know, but that's the outcome. But

43:30

here's the thing. When you were messed

43:33

up in the WWE or

43:35

you didn't show respect, which I was accused of

43:37

sometimes, you are

43:39

punished. Your push goes away or

43:42

your match that was eight minutes with you up is now

43:44

30 seconds with you down.

43:46

So it's just there. There are things

43:48

to check you and let you know,

43:50

hey, you're going to do it our way or no way at all.

43:53

But you're still polite and that the

43:55

part, and there was times and you

43:57

guys know when you get. A

44:00

storyline that sucks or they ask you to do something in the

44:02

ring that you know doesn't work. But

44:05

that's what you're told to do. You

44:07

do it. That's right. You better

44:09

make it work. Yeah. When

44:12

they come back and say, Oh, we didn't like that. I said, I

44:14

did the best of my ability, boss. Mm

44:17

hmm. You know, Mm

44:19

hmm. Yeah. That's

44:23

uh, I mean, it's

44:26

a very simple thing, but again, you know,

44:28

I think we make things more complicated. Yeah.

44:31

Yeah. No, you're a hundred percent, but

44:33

there's the things that we're dealing with

44:35

and seeing shouldn't be at

44:37

the level that we're at

44:39

right now. You know what I mean? Yeah. This

44:43

we're again,

44:45

to tires, for tires, what

44:47

tires are saying with WWE, you could eat a

44:49

lot more. Somebody was disrespectful as

44:52

long as well. They're disrespectful to

44:54

you. You realize where they were at. They were above

44:56

you. You just ate it. They were below you. You,

44:59

you might deal with it, but guys

45:02

are behaving like they've already been to the

45:04

show. Yeah. They want to

45:06

have done something and that that's

45:08

where my disconnect is, is I'm,

45:12

I try to be the most humble guy in

45:14

the locker room. And when I hear guys over

45:16

speaking or speaking up, that shouldn't, that

45:19

shouldn't be that pisses me

45:21

off because I'm not talking. You

45:23

shouldn't be tall. That's maybe

45:26

that's an old school way of thinking. Maybe

45:28

I'm too, maybe I'm old and grumpy, but

45:30

like, man,

45:32

that respect, respect,

45:34

respect. It's such an

45:37

important thing to have. And you can gain

45:39

so much by just being respectful to

45:41

your veteran. That

45:46

couldn't have been said better. Jeezy, what do you think

45:48

of all this before we get going? I

45:51

agree with you all. I'm catching like

45:55

my generation and the current one now.

46:00

More often than not, they have this

46:02

attitude like they know it all. And

46:04

when you come across ones that don't

46:06

have that attitude, it's cool.

46:08

But there's so many that just have the

46:10

hard attitude that sometimes you get to the

46:13

point where you don't even want to help

46:15

catch, you know what I'm saying? Because they

46:17

all have this know it all. They all want

46:19

to just go out there and do a bunch

46:21

of moves. They just like when you start like

46:23

talking to them about promos

46:25

and character development, they don't want to hear

46:27

it because they want to go out there

46:29

and have their internet match, their car crash

46:31

match and get star ratings from Dave Meltzer

46:34

and stuff like that. It's annoying. Which is

46:36

pointless. Five

46:38

star match from a guy who's never worked a

46:40

day in his life. Yeah. Okay. Having

46:44

a crush on a wrestler doesn't make his match that great.

46:48

All right. Well, couldn't have been a bit.

46:50

Yes. Facts dropping dropping gold here and you

46:52

ain't even got to invest in our stuff.

46:54

It just makes you better any damn way.

46:56

Just getting around the shine of what it

46:58

is that is Tyrus and the wise men.

47:01

So, you know, if you don't know you better,

47:03

you don't even got to ask somebody we already

47:05

here. We hold, we stand on business and stand

47:07

on this gold ain't sold. It's told. That's right.

47:09

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47:12

bring your wallets because, uh,

47:14

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47:16

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