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Welcome to TV I say with Ashley

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the TV shows you love. I'm Ashley

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Rae, a comedian, writer and former TV critic,

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and each week my friends, fellow comedians,

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into the best TV shows we're all

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talking about right now. All

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right, let's get into it. Lane

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Moore, welcome to TV club. Lane

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Moore is a bestselling author and

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comedian whose new audio and ebook You're

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Not the Only One Fucking Up, Breaking

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the Endless Cycle of Dating Mistakes is

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available now. Also the creator

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of the hit comedy show Tinder Live. Hi,

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I'm so happy you're here. Me

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too. I know it feels like a long time coming. Yeah,

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we've been like Twitter internet friends.

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We talk about a lot of the same

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shows. So I am so excited to

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really get into it because sometimes I'm like, I didn't

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think anyone else was watching this and you tweet about

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it. And I'm like, who I

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am. I am not alone.

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So no, and I also like don't

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really passively watch anything. If I'm watching something, I'm

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like deeply invested, deeply,

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deeply watching. So

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honestly, I just want to jump right into our

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watch list because we're watching so much of the

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same stuff. What are you looking at right now?

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What's on your list? Oh my God. What

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I watched this week was bleak as hell. So

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I hope this isn't what you're watching because I

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mental health has suffered. I

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watched the quiet on the set,

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the dance, and then last night

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because apparently my soul

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needs help. I also

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watched the 2020 documentary on the momfluencer.

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Oh my gosh, me too. We're

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not well. Well,

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oh yeah, I spent literally all of my

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weekend just watching the most miserable document

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series for some reason. I watched one

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about like, okay, I'm actually going to

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look the name up. instead. It's

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so dark. I'm like, this is it. Yeah,

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I'm so glad that you've been watching the same

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stuff. Because I'm like, usually I have stuff that's

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like fun that I can talk about. But I'm

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like all these it's been a rough week. Yeah,

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yeah. I watched from a documentary. Oh,

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my week. Okay, we are gonna definitely talk

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about that one because I have a lot

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of thoughts on Yolanda. I

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also watched from dreams to

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tragedy the fire that shook Brazilian

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football. And it's about like

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this teen soccer league

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that like was living in this soccer camp.

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And it was not legit housing. And there

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was a big fire and like 10 players

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died. And it's so sad. And then it

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came out like that the company had gotten

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all this money to redo the properties. But

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instead, they invested it all in just the

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stadium. And it's huge. And it was just

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so sad. So I don't know why I

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can't stop watching sad documentaries right now. And

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all the sad documentaries I watched this week

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hit on like very I was

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I literally like just recorded a podcast episode

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about this is the synchronicity is unreal

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about like why like I used to

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love. I used to

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love true crime. I don't watch as much of it

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anymore. Yeah, but now the stuff that I watch it

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is like so specific, like but I won't watch like

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10 hours of like, this

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one was murdered and this one was murdered. Yeah,

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I don't do that anymore. But the

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stuff I watch now, it's like all this

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stuff that like really

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meant something to me and also is like

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a cultural thing. Oh my god, I also

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watched last night or a

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couple nights ago. Um, there's

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a new Hulu thing. I'm sure you're already

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on board. That's called like the

3:39

dark side of the 2000s. Oh, yeah,

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I watched that. I watched that. Yeah,

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yeah, not surprised. So I was watching

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that. But it's like all these things are

3:48

like dissecting culture really is what they are.

3:50

That's so interesting to me. That's like the

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stuff that you kind of watched and you

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were like something's up with that and they

3:57

either there's so much more depth to it than you

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thought um because you know

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as kids we were like oh these people on

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our favorite TV shows are like doing great they

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have the life that I want and then you're

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like yeah no no no it's not good not

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good yeah I do all of the

4:13

dark sides dark side of comedy dark side of the

4:15

90s dark side of 2000s dark side

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of football uh dark side wrestling

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obviously I don't know if I can

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watch dark side of comedy I I've lived dark

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side comedy I don't want to yeah we

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see it a lot I'm yeah some of

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the episodes I was like I can't do

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this and some you're like oh

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yeah what did ever happen to that person like

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oh and some were honestly kind

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of like they did one on Maria Bamford

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and it wasn't really sad it was like

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mental health is real and now she's

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married and happy and I was like oh okay

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okay that was the and was not like the

4:47

last episode because I remember looking to see like

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who do they cover and it was mostly like

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a lot of toxic men and I was like

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I don't need to delve deeper into that I

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already know more than I want to know if

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I learn even more thing I'm gonna explode but

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then I saw the last one was like Maria and I was like

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that's it yeah and that was good

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and it talks a lot about how she's like

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the comics comic and like doesn't get like the

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respect she deserves but I was like okay compared

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to the other darkness this season I'll take that

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that's not so bad right and I wish I almost

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wish it had been more like that like when I

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looked at it I was like oh I like this

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last one I wish I had been kind of more

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of that but whatever they're

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working with their very specific thing

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they're doing so it may I'm sure there

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was like one person who was

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like okay guys we can talk about all

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these toxic guys can we do a Maria Bamford one like I'm

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sure that was one something there

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was one woman in there who was

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just like guy come on can one

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female comedian just please and

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she's not a creep she's like one of the most wonderful

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comics wonderful comics everyone loves it let's just

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do that come on there's some dark stuff

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there like you know she has a

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memoir out now too so it's so yeah it

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was pretty good uh but I do

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want to talk about quiet on set. First

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of all, I was

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reading some stats on it. It was the

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most watched unscripted program

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in the history of

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like Discovery and HBO

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Max. It was their

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most watched thing so popular. They just

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greenlit a fifth episode. So there's going

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to be a fifth

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episode in April. Yeah, the PR I know that I

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can handle that. Yeah, so I

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spiritually handle that. I'm like excited. But

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like, each episode,

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maybe like, I have

6:34

like symptoms. Yeah, nausea.

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I couldn't sleep headaches.

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Like I it was rough.

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It was so because I mean, we grew up with these

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kids. I remember the episodes. It was

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so hard to get through. Now they're

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going to do another episode that kind

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of looks at what happened after the

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doc. So it's going to be not

6:55

a live but like a post interview

6:57

with Soledad O'Brien. They're bringing in Soledad

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to ease the tensions. And they're gonna

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have everyone sit down together. They'll be

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interviewing Drake Bell again, which is interesting

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because a lot of people have asked

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questions about the abuse that he's perpetuated.

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So that's expected to be a topic.

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And then there are I believe, two

7:15

new actors who will be

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sharing their experiences. So

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over it just sounds like it is

7:22

going to be emotionally beating

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us down again. And still no jail

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for anyone. But yeah, talking, I guess

7:29

no jail for anyone. Oh, I guess the

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one guy went to jail and then he

7:33

just got out and everyone's like and yeah,

7:35

nobody and then he just kept living life

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and another guy right back to working on kids TV

7:39

because they were having back. Happy,

7:42

happy, happy. Just and all those

7:45

celebrities who are like Brian Peck, great guy, great guy. I'm

7:47

gonna go sit in the courtroom for him. What do you mean?

7:50

He's great. These will be

7:52

sealed, right forever. No one will ever know that I know really

7:55

upsetting things about how much I love this

7:57

predator. I know when I ever I

8:00

have to imagine James, James Marsden and

8:02

his PR person are just like, what,

8:04

that was never supposed to come out.

8:06

What, what do you mean it's on

8:08

TV? I right. Exactly.

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And they're like, you know, they're all like, it's

8:13

gonna be sealed, right? Why? What

8:15

is this? What is this? Yeah. And

8:18

like a few have come out to say, you know, I

8:20

didn't know all the details back then. The

8:22

way it was presented to us was that this was like a

8:24

17 year old who had

8:26

seduced him and blah, blah, blah. This

8:28

is like, which is still wrong, which

8:30

is still like really, really. And like

8:32

45 and it's like, none of that makes

8:34

none of that makes sense. Like

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the mom from growing pains was like, we

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were told it was a honey pot situation.

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What 17? No, no 17 year old

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is a honey pot. Like no,

8:47

no, it literally makes no sense.

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And it's, I

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think that's why as truly

8:54

like gruesome as these things are, it's like

8:56

part of me, I think

8:58

there's something to watching these very like you

9:01

understand your own childhood, you

9:03

understand your own traumas and shit like

9:05

that, because you're just like, oh, this

9:07

was I had a, I've

9:09

been talking a lot about the stock to enter

9:12

on tiktok for better or worse. And I say

9:14

that because it's tiktok and it's like, you might

9:16

have 95% of people who like agree

9:18

with you. But then you have

9:20

like five people who are like, well,

9:23

Dan, she get to say his side. And

9:26

also Dan did say his side. Dan,

9:31

Dan Snyder

9:34

hired one of the child actors who worked on

9:36

his shows to interview him. So of course that

9:38

guy's like, Dan's always been great. He gave me

9:41

money in a job. And then

9:43

they, like, it was all clearly questions

9:45

that had been pre-approved. It was just

9:47

the most sterile interview. It was so,

9:49

so weird. Even though

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it was recorded by him and a friend

9:53

like the Hollywood reporter carried it, all these

9:56

sites reported on his side. And

9:58

it's like it showed up. So for me,

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what really upset me about it was like, I just

10:03

finished watching it. It showed up on

10:05

my TikTok and it didn't look like he did

10:07

it in such a way and everybody covered it

10:10

in such a way where it looked like he

10:12

was being interviewed by like a news source or

10:14

whatever. But the thing was like

10:16

seeing that I'm,

10:19

I've never even met this man was triggering for

10:21

me. Right? It's

10:23

like seeing this. I was like, no, no, no, what? I don't want

10:26

to hear anything from you. What?

10:28

Yeah. I did a video on it that like

10:31

super blew up. It has like almost 3 million views where I

10:33

was like, here's what we're not going to do. We're

10:35

not going to interview the predators from this.

10:37

Like we're not going to do this. Like this is

10:39

just so I don't, and

10:42

it was more about this culture of like,

10:44

we did it with Harvey and we do

10:46

it all the time where it's like all

10:48

this stuff comes out. We have mountains of

10:50

evidence and then all anyone

10:52

wants to hear from is the predator as

10:54

though they're going to admit it or like

10:56

give us some excuse that it's not true.

10:59

Like what is it people want

11:01

from that? And have they ever survivor? I

11:03

don't get it. I don't get it. It's

11:05

what do you, what is Dan Schneider going to say

11:07

to you? That's going to make you go, huh? Okay.

11:10

Okay. Now I see all that bad

11:12

behavior in a new light. Like no,

11:14

we, everything you did was just

11:16

wrong. Just go away. And

11:19

I read the story. It's like, it's people

11:21

obsessed with that. I'm just like, you don't

11:23

like survivors. Like that's all I can think

11:25

of. Like who would ever want to hear

11:27

the other side of someone who did these

11:29

awful things? I don't hear it. No justification.

11:31

There's nothing that's going to make you feel

11:34

better. Cause that's really, I think what

11:36

audiences like us want is that or

11:38

not me personally, but like when they

11:40

seek that it's, they want to feel

11:42

like, Oh, this is, this makes it

11:44

okay. This is an apology. Now this

11:46

is why he did it. This is

11:48

the atonement. So now it makes sense.

11:50

And it's like, no, it's just

11:52

accept that it's gross. We all watched a show

11:54

we thought we loved and now the memories are

11:56

tainted and we grow and accept

11:58

that and move on. And

12:00

I think because there's

12:03

this idea that like well I think part

12:05

of it too and I think what pisses

12:07

me off about is people were like no we

12:09

should hear all sides of this is That

12:12

he said she said toxic thing where

12:14

it's like you can't have a survivor

12:16

come forward without being like Well,

12:19

you know you could just be making all

12:21

this up all these individual child actors these

12:23

like hundreds of people with court

12:25

records We have to ask Dan

12:27

if he did it and the man we're on Also

12:30

on different sets the documentary does such

12:32

a good job of pointing out like it's not like

12:34

these were all kids on the same Set who oh,

12:36

I heard this from this person repeated what this person

12:38

said. It's all isolated sets

12:41

and incidents and The

12:43

way that like Drake Bell was

12:45

separated from his family his like

12:47

parents his whole Every

12:49

he was isolated by this guy and it

12:52

was so clear He did it systemically like

12:54

he had a plan He knew what he

12:56

was doing and it makes you ask like

12:58

how did this guy get on set who?

13:01

Enabled this like at a certain point. It

13:03

seems like who went Like

13:06

three pedophiles being hired. That's

13:08

just who is like bringing

13:10

these people in There's something weird about it a

13:13

certain point where you're like wait how

13:15

wait so he did time and then they

13:17

hired him on a Disney show And everybody wait

13:20

wait. Yeah, so what could

13:22

they say? I just it's so Obnoxious

13:25

to me because look I'm sure totally I

13:27

think there are a lot of viewers who

13:29

are like I want to there has to

13:31

be some explanation for this I totally get

13:33

that but the ones who are like commenting

13:35

on tech talks and stuff like this who

13:37

are like no we should Fair

13:40

trials justice send it to trial and you're

13:42

like, oh, so you've like never met a survivor. You

13:44

don't know how to like Also,

13:47

like and I did like a follow-up

13:50

video where like those people still didn't care But

13:52

I was like we could literally talk about Brian Peck if

13:54

you want to talk about how even all sides Courtroom

13:57

justice doesn't work. Like did you even watch

13:59

the doc? Because he was found

14:01

guilty and then guess what they were

14:03

like, oh the dad from Growing Pain

14:05

says he's a good guy. Let's just give him a

14:07

promotion. Like how are you

14:10

like just trolling people who like

14:12

know what they're talking about? And it's just

14:15

that kind of guy who I really

14:17

believe like a lot of the people who are like both

14:20

sides, you know, anybody can say anything. I'm like,

14:22

what have you done? Well, yeah, you did.

14:24

What are you trying to hide? I

14:27

do think he has that opinion unless

14:29

that's something weird. Yeah, I do think

14:31

it is kind of part of a

14:34

greater trend that we're seeing in true

14:36

crime and documentaries where there is this

14:38

focus on the criminal and their side

14:40

of it. I feel like for a

14:42

long time we were pushing back against

14:44

that people were like the story should

14:46

be victim centered, victim focused. And then

14:48

I don't know if you watch evil

14:50

lives here on investigation discovery. I

14:52

have listened to because I used to be the biggest

14:54

investigation. I even went to

14:56

they had like a little convention

14:59

thing for press people when I was working at

15:01

Cosmo and I went and they gave you like

15:03

a little box lunch and I got to meet

15:05

Candice along whatever that's for that

15:08

is absolutely I have also been to one of

15:10

their pressings and I was absolutely obsessed with investigation

15:12

discovery actually like their VR person emails me every

15:14

day and I'm like, tell me everything. What do

15:17

you want me to know girl? Yeah,

15:19

I was yeah, we're so on the same

15:21

page. Yeah. And then we

15:24

created a new series called evil speak or

15:26

evil lives here evil speaks and they go

15:28

into prisons and actually interview the people it's

15:31

about and usually the show used to be

15:33

about like the family would be interviewed and

15:35

now it's they go to prison and interview the

15:37

actual criminal and shocking they don't

15:39

tell the truth. It is just they go

15:41

like they interview the victim and the families

15:43

and they're like, yeah, he set my daughter

15:45

on fire and set the house on fire.

15:48

Then they go to the prison and he's like, I don't

15:51

know. She just tripped in a fire

15:53

started out and it's like, why are

15:55

we doing this? Why are we

15:57

doing this because and it's like all

16:00

can think of is because there

16:02

is a part of the world that

16:04

for their own weird reasons, like hate survivors,

16:07

wants to believe nothing bad ever happens, something

16:09

is broken in their brains. And

16:12

so it's like, I think that's the attraction to

16:14

like, see, those people are liars. And I don't

16:16

know, someone could have tripped in a fire could

16:18

have started. I mean, I don't want to be

16:20

the victim of a witch hunt. What if somebody

16:22

did trip in front of me, and then a

16:24

fire started and then they told me that I

16:26

was bad. Yeah. And I

16:29

think I want that. I don't want that. I think

16:32

that also goes back to a documentary you

16:35

mentioned, which

16:37

I guess I should also look the

16:39

name up even though. I know I

16:41

don't need a documentary. Yeah, yeah. It's

16:45

I can't even believe this was made

16:47

honestly. Hey,

17:07

Selena and Yolanda, the

17:10

secrets between them. This

17:12

is the first English

17:14

interview that I

17:18

was Yolanda, Saldivar. Yeah,

17:20

Saldivar has given since

17:23

all of this happened. It's the first

17:25

time her family has spoken about really

17:27

their side. This is a three episode

17:29

documentary that came out on I think

17:31

oxygen. Yeah, oxygen. And you can also

17:33

watch it on peacock. And

17:36

it looks into how she says

17:39

it actually went down in

17:42

the shooting of Selena. If you

17:45

don't know the detail, this is what

17:47

witnesses the court cases always said happened

17:49

that their neighbors in this hotel room

17:51

heard fighting. Selena's family and

17:54

friends have always said she went there

17:56

to get legal documents and tax documents

17:59

that Yolanda. Yolanda was basically like holding hostage. Selena

18:01

had fired her and Yolanda was like, well, if I

18:03

hold onto these files, she's gonna have to talk to

18:05

me. And so Selena got sick

18:07

of it, went to go get the files. There was

18:09

an argument. Yolanda pulled a

18:11

gun out and shot her as

18:14

Selena was trying to run. Selena ran

18:16

out of the room and witnesses at

18:18

this point said they heard Yolanda chasing

18:20

after her, shouting, you bitch,

18:22

you bitch. And then Selena

18:24

runs into the hotel lobby and is like,

18:27

please call the police. She'll shoot me again.

18:29

She's gonna shoot me again. Which

18:33

lots, all the witnesses have agreed this is

18:35

what they saw and what happens and it makes a lot

18:37

of sense. But this says,

18:40

what this says is what if none

18:42

of that happened? And we listened to

18:44

the imagination of this woman who is

18:47

probably one of the most hated people

18:49

in music history. It

18:52

really is like a weird version of that OJ Simpson

18:54

book. Like if I did it, if I didn't do it, here's

18:58

maybe, here's like a thing that

19:00

could maybe make sense. And

19:03

her, it's really

19:05

ridiculous. Cause

19:08

I will say to the documentaries credit, they

19:10

present her side with a

19:12

lot of care and try, but then

19:14

they also have people like taught, like

19:17

experts say interview who are just like, she

19:19

did it though. We know she did it.

19:23

And so it's kind of like

19:25

what, but Yolanda says that

19:27

she was afraid of Selena's dad

19:29

because Selena's dad had, I guess

19:31

threatened her something even though Selena's

19:34

dad is like, no, we had

19:36

just fired her. But

19:38

anyway, Yolanda is like, I was afraid. But

19:40

then she's like, she's like, no, I quit.

19:42

I didn't wanna work with them. And

19:45

then like, she goes and buys a gun, learns

19:47

how to use it, returns the gun because Selena

19:49

is like, don't get a gun. Why are you

19:51

doing that? So she returns it. Then

19:53

she gets mad at Selena again and buys

19:55

the gun again. And

19:59

she says again. it's because I was afraid of her dad.

20:02

Her dad is in a completely different place. At

20:04

this point, like Yolanda has gone somewhere else. Selena

20:06

is driving to another city to go get this

20:08

paperwork from her. The dad is nowhere around. So

20:10

why do you still have the gun? She

20:13

says that Selena came in the room and,

20:15

you know, was accusing her of all these

20:18

things and she couldn't take it. So she

20:20

pulled the gun out, held it to her

20:22

head and was like, what do you

20:24

want? Do you just want me to kill myself? I'll kill

20:26

myself for you. And Selena was

20:28

like, no, don't. And tried to like

20:30

get the gun away from her and

20:32

then Yolanda says, and then it acts. And I

20:35

was pointing the gun at her being like, don't

20:37

walk out. And it accidentally went off as she

20:39

was heading towards the door. Yeah.

20:41

And this is someone who took classes who

20:44

would know to take safety and all

20:46

that stuff. So I, yeah.

20:49

But that is the version of

20:51

the story we get now with a lot of just

20:53

sketchy details and stuff

20:55

from her family. That's like, Oh, I'm

20:58

pretty sure that one time I saw

21:00

this note from Selena that makes me

21:02

think that she was

21:04

having an affair actually. And it's

21:06

like, what? Yeah. And then they say

21:08

like, you know, Yolanda said that some random

21:11

guys beat her up and they didn't know

21:13

who beat her up. And everybody said she

21:15

was crazy and this never happened. But we

21:17

actually on earth and there's this dramatic music

21:19

that plays this document that says, that's like

21:22

a letter that says like, Hey, remember when

21:24

I beat you up on June 19th or

21:26

whatever, you know, it was like so specific.

21:31

It was like, but years later, a letter

21:33

was that I was like, Hey, Yolanda, just

21:35

want to say, so

21:37

sorry about beating you up on

21:39

behalf of Selena's father on June

21:41

19th at exactly 3 34 p.m. Definitely

21:46

be it's like super real.

21:48

It happened. It absolutely happened 100%. And

21:50

that was one of the

21:52

reasons also why Selena went down because Yolanda was like,

21:54

these men beat me, they raped me. And Selena went

21:56

there to be like, I will take you to the

21:59

hospital. I will get you the help and

22:01

they go to the hospital and the hospital

22:03

was like nothing happened to this lady. They

22:05

that's when and that's when Selena like was

22:07

like faded marks and but it's like it

22:10

just sucks because like there are

22:12

parts of it where like there's

22:14

parts of it that things that they bring

22:17

up that are undeniable and still don't change

22:19

the facts where they're like oh the media

22:21

spun it to this thing because she was

22:23

this like you know like Latin

22:25

woman who like they weren't you know she's like

22:28

they really pinned it as like she was older

22:30

and she was like wanted to be this young

22:33

woman like it was they brought out the misogyny

22:35

there's racism there's like there is this other stuff

22:37

and yet you did it and then yeah but

22:39

at the same time it's

22:42

like but you did it

22:44

though but you did it but it's

22:47

like what are the points that you're making where it's

22:49

like media spun it and they made it this thing

22:51

and they made her seem crazy and i'm like okay

22:54

let's say she's sane as hell if she's sane

22:56

as hell and killed her that's like almost kind

22:58

of weird because why yeah and they try to

23:01

put her on the same pedestal kind of being like

23:03

it's exactly how the media treated Britney

23:05

Spears and Paris Hilton and it's like

23:07

no it's not no it's not because

23:10

they didn't actually do anything and they

23:12

definitely didn't kill anybody no

23:14

and it's yeah there's just so much of it

23:16

and i watched all of it like thinking

23:19

there was going to be something more to this and

23:21

look like there's moments where they're like the police mess

23:23

this up and it's like well duh like

23:26

yeah but that doesn't have you

23:28

ever i don't know

23:30

it's just very it was very funny

23:32

feeling real because look i there's

23:35

a part of me that's

23:37

like i don't know what

23:39

if something else that happened we don't know what happened

23:41

in that room we know what the witnesses said i

23:43

was willing to hear her out i think that's why

23:45

i'm sure that's why you wanted to i was like

23:47

i don't know there could be more here even if

23:49

she did do it maybe there's more here yeah but

23:51

then as you watch it you're like there's

23:54

not there's not yeah so you're like

23:56

wait what that doesn't make sense and

23:58

they almost at a time there's 30

24:00

minutes left. Yeah, it's like what? What's what

24:02

are you gonna say? That's gonna and no, instead

24:04

it's just the people being like, Yeah, no,

24:07

I think if it was an accident, Selena wouldn't

24:09

have been running shouting, she's gonna shoot

24:11

me again. She's gonna shoot me again.

24:14

Also, like I think about it in

24:16

like, okay, you and I were in

24:18

a room, we've known each other super well, the gun accidentally

24:20

went off and you shot me, you'd be like, I'm so

24:23

sorry, fuck, like the gun went off. I'm so sorry. And

24:25

I'd be like, Oh my God, just get help. Like I

24:27

wouldn't run out and be like, she's gonna do it again.

24:30

Crazy. She hates me. Yeah, and

24:32

exactly. And also it's

24:34

like she said originally she was gonna

24:36

kill herself and that's why the gun

24:38

even came out. And it's like if

24:40

you had just shot Selena and you're

24:43

like that close to the edge and

24:45

you love her so much and you

24:47

just shot her on accident. Why?

24:49

I mean, wouldn't you? You'd probably kill yourself

24:51

right then and then and like she did

24:54

add like threatened like she went and hit

24:56

in like a truck with a gun in

24:58

the truck and like there was a hostage

25:00

situation kind of but

25:02

it did at that point kind of seemed

25:04

clear. Like, no, the intention here was never

25:07

to kill herself. Like she you hear they

25:09

have the phone recordings between her and the

25:11

cops where she's like, everybody's just gonna really

25:13

hate me now. Yeah,

25:17

girl, like for decades,

25:19

you shot Selena days

25:21

in. I'm

25:24

not saying that there's a better place for someone

25:26

to be shot, but there's so much about this.

25:29

That's so wrong. Like that's where like the Queen

25:31

of the Hound of Music dies on a fucking

25:33

days in from her fan club. Like there's so

25:35

much about it. That's just like heartbreaking

25:38

on every level. Yeah, it's

25:40

a yeah, people are gonna kind of hate

25:42

you now. I don't hate you. And

25:45

her sisters or nieces or whatever and they're like, I don't

25:47

know. I was friends with both of them and I'm like,

25:50

okay, well, it's been like 30 years. So

25:52

I think I

25:54

don't like do they still feel conflicted? It

25:56

was just weird, man. I don't know. Yeah,

25:58

it was. I wouldn't put

26:01

it, I wouldn't recommend. I don't

26:03

think it's worth your time. If you're a big

26:05

like true crime person and you want to see

26:07

how it was made, sure, check it out. But

26:10

not worth it. The Alina fans, no. Alina

26:13

fans, no. I have a weird feeling

26:15

going into it, but I

26:18

don't know what I was hoping for. I

26:21

don't know what I was hoping for. I

26:23

just, it's something that I'm such a huge

26:25

Salina fan and I've been for my whole

26:27

life. It's just like, I will watch this

26:29

even though it's an interview with this woman

26:32

everybody hates, who like, this person is evil.

26:34

And I, I don't know. I

26:36

guess I thought there'd be, I wanted some

26:39

like accountability. I thought maybe it would be like that.

26:41

That's what I wanted. I wanted some

26:43

like, here's what I was going through

26:45

and it doesn't make it right. Yeah,

26:47

but like, it's, you know, some mental

26:49

breakdown or medication, something like that, where it

26:51

would be like, you know, I was obsessed

26:53

and I had lost my mind. But

26:55

no, it is her just trying to be like, no,

26:58

no, no, see, so actually it was this. And

27:01

it's like, that's, no. Yeah, but here's

27:03

the thing too, that I will say, this

27:06

came like 30 years later. The

27:08

Dan Schneider apology, the Harvey

27:11

Weinstein stuff is too fresh. No, we

27:13

don't want to, I would not, nobody would have

27:15

wanted to hear a three hour

27:17

Yolanda Saldivar Ted talk

27:20

in whatever it was, 95 or whatever. Like,

27:22

no, no, I don't want to hear like,

27:24

but now we have this kind of like,

27:28

yeah, let her talk, I don't know, let her talk

27:30

for 12 hours, let's believe her. Like, this week, I

27:32

don't think she had that. And it's

27:34

also like, I think she's coming up

27:37

her time, like where she'll be on probation soon. So it

27:39

also feels like a little bit of a, and

27:42

her family is a big part of the documentary

27:44

and you can kind of tell they're pushing a

27:46

lot of the narratives and evidence to get her

27:48

out, like some of the stuff they're stretching. So

27:51

it all kind of feels gross.

27:53

It's, yeah, now don't watch it.

27:55

It's yeah, I'm gonna officially

27:58

on the don't watch. But we're. You

28:00

should do. I love that you

28:02

brought up the 2020 mom flu

28:04

answer doc. I mean, it's not

28:07

a doc. It's 2020. That's TV.

28:09

But no, I know. I literally

28:11

I literally it's so funny. Um,

28:14

I love that you said that because I literally like

28:17

was talking about it on my podcast and I called

28:19

it a documentary and I was like, that's so generous

28:21

of me to call it a documentary. It's literally 2020.

28:23

Why am I calling it? It's a like hour long

28:25

2020 episode that is so

28:27

good though. I, and this

28:30

is their second episode about this mommy

28:32

influencer. There was one when she was

28:34

like first arrested that like interviewed. Yeah.

28:38

So there was an earlier one where they

28:40

just interviewed Jodi's niece who's in this one,

28:42

but it's, it was more like, we don't

28:44

really know the details or what happened, but

28:46

then here's this nice. He's like, yeah, my

28:48

aunt Jodi sucks. She did all this horrible

28:50

stuff to me. And this is a

28:52

lot of documentary and they're turning them out. Like,

28:55

Oh, right. Cause this is the news. So

28:57

they're reporting on the news. So bright. Right.

29:00

Uh, and this one we, it

29:02

is more in depth. They interviewed the

29:04

officers who were involved. There's camera footage

29:07

from the family that like rescued the

29:09

little boy who escaped and

29:11

it is horrifying. It is

29:14

really horrifying. That in

29:16

the dance, in the dance night or not, we

29:18

gotta take care of kids in this country. We

29:20

gotta care about kids people. Well,

29:22

and that was saying that I, my

29:26

favorite part, cause I've got a lot of issues

29:28

with that documentary, but my favorite part about

29:30

the documentary is the niece

29:33

at what she says at the very end

29:35

of it where she's like, please, I know

29:37

it's tempting to watch this and think like,

29:39

Oh my God, so crazy. Couldn't happen. Couldn't

29:41

affect my community. Like remember that

29:43

like this can happen and does happen. Like she

29:46

didn't say it as overtly, but it was basically

29:48

like, this is happening to people in your neighborhood.

29:50

This is happening to people that you know. And

29:53

it meant it

29:56

just felt so like the best part of the

29:58

documentary because I think. that's a thing with

30:01

true crime, especially when it comes to kids

30:03

and survivors and stuff like this. So

30:05

many people watch it and they're like, part

30:07

of why they watch it is because it's such

30:09

a far away reality for them. And they're like,

30:12

Oh my God, can you imagine this is so

30:14

crazy? This is so rare. And it's like, um,

30:17

I don't know, your sister could be doing that to her

30:19

kids, your coworker could be doing that. So maybe

30:22

next time you see

30:24

something like this, you step in and

30:26

help like, that should be the message

30:28

of stuff like this, but it's not always the

30:30

message people take with them. Yeah,

30:32

I it's, I think

30:35

the scariest part is like they show

30:37

they play the like prison clips from

30:39

Jodi and Ruby and they're both like,

30:41

I don't even understand why I'm in

30:43

prison. Like so you don't do naughty

30:45

things. I don't do bad things. So now

30:48

you can't even discipline your

30:50

kids. You can't even discipline your kids

30:52

these days. And then they show the

30:54

kid and it's like, they haven't been

30:57

fed. They have scars everywhere. And like

31:00

the cops are crying on the scene like they

31:02

can barely stand seeing this. And they're

31:04

just like, what we're just sent here by

31:06

God and we didn't even do anything. The

31:09

devil's been after me for a while as another.

31:11

Yeah. We're gonna I just think there are gonna be

31:15

so many more documentaries like this

31:17

coming from particularly just like Mormon

31:19

influencer types who present this like

31:22

picture perfect image and behind the

31:24

scenes, it is probably like a

31:26

sweat factory, just turning

31:29

out content with these kids they actually

31:31

hate. Yeah,

31:33

cuz I've always been

31:37

skeptical. I think a lot of us have I'm

31:39

sure that's why a lot of people watch this of like

31:41

mom influencers or any kind of like my kids

31:43

are content. Like it's

31:46

a weird thing. And it's also like, oh,

31:48

I also watched, oh, one of the 2000s

31:50

documentaries that's very similar to this. I watched

31:52

the one about john and Kate Gosselin. Yeah,

31:55

I watched that one. And that

31:57

one was Oh my god, and I feel like they're

31:59

they're kind of sister documentaries in this way. I know

32:01

I'm still calling it a documentary, but still, there's

32:04

pieces because you have like the grown up

32:06

kids from like john and Kate plus eight

32:08

or whatever, which I never watched that stuff.

32:10

But like, damn. Right? I don't

32:12

know. But I was like, Oh, this was a big part

32:14

of culture. I want to know what happened. And then you

32:17

have these kids and they're like, I didn't want

32:19

the cameras there. It was really upsetting. The kid

32:21

I can't control it. And I think there's something

32:23

with that with like, mom's side.

32:25

Yeah. Because for me, it's like, I don't

32:28

understand when watching

32:31

children became like

32:33

popular content for

32:35

adults. You know, like sure,

32:37

I when I was a kid, I would watch kids on

32:39

Barney, but I can't say there's ever

32:41

been a part of my life where I'm like,

32:43

Oh, I have to watch this person's kid, even

32:46

I mean, I don't have kids. So maybe

32:48

that's what it is. Maybe if I had

32:50

kids, but I just think it's like a

32:52

consent issue that just feel and I feel like

32:55

john and Kate was kind of the start of

32:57

that of being like this, these kids are

32:59

here to entertain you and there are other

33:01

people's kids. And that also came with like,

33:03

later with 16 and pregnant and all the

33:06

teen moms where it's like, be

33:08

entertained by someone's children and that became normal.

33:10

And now it's this weird. I mean,

33:12

there was just a piece that came out in

33:15

the Atlantic, I believe about the laws they're

33:17

trying to create to protect children who, you

33:20

know, are doing influencer work. And there's so many

33:22

kids who are adults now who are like, I

33:24

left my family, I don't speak to them. We

33:27

never really had a family relationship. It

33:30

was a business relationship, you know, they

33:32

were more my boss than parents. Yeah,

33:34

they're also now like creepy stories of

33:37

obviously like pedophiles and horrible people look

33:40

at this content and their

33:42

parents who are aware of that

33:44

and will sell, you know, like

33:46

on a Patreon, special images and

33:50

knowing that they're catering to like these horrible

33:52

people or they'll be like, oh,

33:54

this grown man wants my five year old

33:56

daughter to say happy birthday. That seems normal

33:58

and they do it. because of the

34:00

money. And I was just

34:03

like, we need to change every law. This

34:05

should not be people that have it. It's

34:07

so funny because I remember seeing stuff when

34:09

Cameo first popped up, I remember getting requests

34:11

and I would talk to friends of mine

34:13

who are doing Cameos and I was like,

34:15

this one seems like sex work. Like legitimately,

34:17

this is sex work. This is not like

34:19

goofy and funny. This is like sex work.

34:22

And I am not charging sex work

34:24

rates for what

34:26

they want me to do. But it's the same type of thing where

34:28

it's like, oh, it's

34:30

just saying happy birthday. And it's like, how old is

34:33

the person saying happy birthday? What

34:35

is that? Like why is the five

34:37

year? Yeah. Why

34:39

are you being asked to like slather

34:42

lotion on your feet and giggle and

34:44

look exasperated while you say like, hope

34:46

you're having a good day? Like, come

34:49

on, man. Yeah. These

34:51

are all, but it's like the way

34:53

people have snuck in to like, yeah, if

34:55

you were an adult and it was like,

34:57

extra photos, a peek into my life, you're

34:59

consenting to that. You know how they might

35:01

be used. It doesn't fucking know

35:04

that. And you have to know as an

35:06

adult who has kids that

35:10

if you're for an extra $5 a month, get

35:12

more pictures of Kaylee. Like what?

35:15

No, that should just stop. You're a

35:17

bad, like, oh, there's gonna be just so

35:19

many kids who hate their parents in the future. We

35:21

are just heading towards. I'm ready

35:23

to talk to them. Yeah, I should probably go

35:25

into therapy instead because that's where the money is

35:28

gonna be. Yeah,

35:31

it's so, I don't

35:34

know. I think

35:36

the other thing that I like about

35:38

this stuff is like so

35:41

much of like what I do

35:43

and like I've always wanted to do is like talk about the

35:45

stuff that I feel like nobody talks

35:48

about. And like, I thought I was maybe the only

35:50

one. And then when I started talking about it and

35:52

like writing about it and people were like, oh, a

35:55

lot of us went through that. But

35:57

we're not talking about it. So then you feel crazy. And

35:59

I think. Like, I'm really

36:01

happy that there is this wave of

36:03

like, every time I watch

36:05

somebody on one of these things, and they're like, Oh, yeah,

36:08

I don't talk to my mom anymore. Like, my,

36:11

my first book

36:14

was called How to be Alone. And

36:16

I like talked about family estrangement. I've

36:18

never seen anybody really talk about a

36:20

lot of that stuff. It was very taboo.

36:22

It was very like, I remember writing it

36:24

and being like, what if everybody is

36:26

like something is wrong with you? How

36:29

dare you talk about this? We

36:32

don't talk about this, you're ungrateful. Like

36:34

I was terrified because there was not

36:36

really a dialogue about that. And

36:39

now every time I see someone bravely, like

36:42

it takes so much bravery to be like,

36:44

I'm going to call up my parents were

36:46

toxic to people around me, like, I'm not

36:48

going to be blindly loyal to them

36:51

forever, just because they're my family, because

36:53

that type of thing had

36:55

harmed me so deeply. And I felt so

36:57

alone in the world because I didn't know

36:59

anybody, anybody who had

37:01

that situation talk about it. Just because we're not

37:03

meeting each other. Yeah, that's not okay to say at

37:06

a point. We

37:09

like don't talk about it. And it's I

37:11

think it's gonna be just so much more

37:13

of the norm with all

37:15

the I don't know, everybody's just turning

37:17

their kids out for content. And it's like,

37:19

okay, I don't know. Yeah, but

37:22

it's like, those people deserve to speak. And

37:24

it's like, I hope I all

37:27

I can think of when I watch this stuff, because it just

37:29

feels so personal. To me, I

37:31

think, you know, a lot of people feel that way

37:34

is I'm just like, fuck, I hope they have people around

37:36

them who are like validating the

37:38

hell out of them. Because that is not

37:40

what the world does to people who speak

37:42

out about toxic families. That's not

37:44

what it's not. It says like, oh my

37:47

god, you have to forgive people. They're doing

37:49

the best they could. Like, it's family. You

37:51

only get one family, you get one family

37:53

and blood is thicker than water and all

37:55

this shit and it's so hard to walk

37:57

away from that and also like The

38:00

number one human desire is to

38:02

belong to your family and be

38:04

loved by your family. It takes

38:06

such insane amounts of bravery to walk

38:08

away from that. Yeah, exactly. I am

38:12

going to share one more sad, we're just

38:14

talking about the saddest documentaries. I truly know

38:16

that is what I like this weekend. I

38:18

don't know. I've been in a depression spiral.

38:20

I guess that's it. I was just like,

38:23

I need to be under covers watching the

38:25

darkest shit in the world. It's

38:27

all about chicken or the egg. Have we

38:29

been in a depression spiral? Yeah, because I'm

38:31

watching. Is it because I've watched

38:33

like eight hours of like mean

38:35

girl murders? Maybe. I haven't watched

38:37

mean girl murders. I don't know if I can,

38:40

but I've watched stuff like that. Mean girl murders

38:42

is pretty interesting because it's like, wow,

38:44

these are teen girl murders and that's

38:47

wild. But some of that,

38:49

like there's also a murder under the Friday

38:51

night lights, which is about like football playing.

38:53

Yeah. And that one isn't as good. It

38:55

kind of tries to stretch things a bit,

38:57

but it's, I mean, they're all like on

38:59

max. They're all like those ID murder shows.

39:01

I wonder if the mean girl

39:03

murders is just rebranded. There used to

39:06

be some ID show. I'm sure you

39:08

watched it. That was like about friendship.

39:10

It was like bad friend. Oh yeah.

39:12

Killer best friends. I think it was killer

39:14

best friend. I don't remember what it was, but it, and

39:16

it was, yeah, it was all about like girls who killed

39:18

their friends. Yeah. So I, I like

39:22

some of that. I think they, yes,

39:24

they do definitely cover some of the same

39:26

stories. And then there are some new ones

39:28

that are more like, this

39:31

girl wanted to be the most popular singer in

39:33

her Glee club because this is when Glee came

39:35

out and it was very popular, but someone else

39:37

got the lead. So she killed her choir teacher

39:39

and it's like, Oh, okay.

40:02

I want to talk about a Netflix documentary

40:04

that just came out last week. It

40:06

is called the O'True Affair, a

40:09

French nightmare. And

40:11

it is It rhymes. It

40:13

rhymes. Yeah. The

40:16

O'True Affair, a French nightmare. It

40:19

is. Yeah. I love

40:21

that everything has become lifetime. Everything is lifetime.

40:23

We used to mock, like people used to

40:25

mock lifetime. Now everything is lifetime everywhere.

40:27

Yeah. And this doc,

40:30

it's a rhyming especially. This

40:32

doc feels like something lifetime would turn

40:34

into a show. It

40:36

is so wild. I don't, okay.

40:38

Where do you even begin with it? Okay.

40:43

There's, there's a family with three sons.

40:45

The three sons have been going

40:47

to school and there are signs

40:49

of like abuse. They're saying

40:51

inappropriate things that are too sexual.

40:54

They have bruises and stuff and

40:56

the teachers are like, something is going on here.

40:58

We are going to report it. They do. The

41:01

kids tell the police everything. They're

41:04

like, yes, our parents, like,

41:06

you know, assault, has raped us, all this horrible stuff.

41:09

They're very detailed and it's clear to the cops. They're

41:11

telling the truth because it's just so detailed. This is

41:13

stuff that like a seven year old just shouldn't know

41:15

about. Right. So

41:17

they arrest the parents and at first

41:19

the parents are like, no, no, it's

41:21

all a lie. And then slow.

41:23

Eventually the parents are like, they're telling the truth.

41:26

It's all true. And not only

41:28

that, the parents start talking

41:30

about all these other people. They're like, well,

41:32

also these other, this other couple in the

41:34

building would come and they

41:36

would also, you know, we would give them our

41:38

children and stuff. And so the cops

41:40

go and arrest that couple. And that couple at

41:42

first is like, no, no, no. And

41:45

then they're like, yeah, they're telling the truth. And

41:47

the cops are like, what the fuck? And

41:49

this couple starts naming tons of people. This

41:51

couple is like, well, also they would sell

41:53

their kids to these people. And this couple

41:56

was involved in this couple was involved in

41:58

the first couple of the parents also

42:00

like, oh, and yeah, these two people were

42:02

involved in these, this couple was involved. And

42:05

slowly, they basically accuse their entire

42:08

apartment building. Like they're like, everybody

42:10

in the apartment building is involved. And at this point,

42:12

the cops are like, wait,

42:14

okay, okay, wait, this

42:17

is a wait, wait, like, and they're just like,

42:19

there's thin walls here. Like, I think the whole

42:21

town at the town of child. And they're

42:23

just like, I think, yeah. And they're like, wait, there's

42:25

people here who have kids. Like, what are you saying?

42:28

They would have heard this if they, you know, but

42:30

the prosecutor in France is so gung ho on

42:32

it that he is just like, no, we are

42:34

going to believe all of this.

42:36

And also there's all of these kids corroborating

42:39

all of it because the original kids told

42:41

other kids what they had been saying. And then all of

42:43

these kids in the town are like, it happened to me.

42:46

They did this to me. They did it to me too.

42:48

Me. And it's pretty soon there are like 45

42:50

kids. There's

42:52

like 16 people on trial. And the prosecutor

42:55

is like, we believe the kids 100% were doing

42:58

the words go into trial. As

43:00

it goes to trial, slowly, it

43:02

all kind of starts to fall apart. Like there's one

43:04

kid who's like, he did this to me on this

43:06

day, blah, blah, blah. And everything

43:08

like the prosecutor just keeps pushing him. And it

43:11

slowly comes out like the guy wasn't even in

43:13

town that day. It's clear the kid just kind

43:15

of is making things up and is like slowly

43:17

starts crying. And it's like, yeah, I made it

43:19

all up. I just like the attention I was

43:21

getting because everybody was saying all this stuff. And

43:24

it just like blew up like, as France is

43:27

just like, wait, what do you mean? Like some of

43:29

these kids are telling the truth. Some are lying. Some

43:31

of the people actually did it. Some didn't. And

43:33

the original four people who did

43:35

actually do this stuff basically, in

43:38

order to avoid more

43:41

shame or to distract the issue,

43:43

they decided to accuse a bunch

43:45

of innocent random people that they

43:47

did not even know. Like

43:49

literally this lady was just like, I

43:51

just made up a name and didn't think that that

43:53

would be a real person. And then they went and

43:55

arrested this lady and her husband. And it

43:59

just was that they. basically, those four did

44:01

actually assault like their kids, and

44:03

they just threw and just

44:05

turned it into this massive, like,

44:08

in over the entire country

44:10

case and issue of

44:12

people trying to figure out like, what was the

44:15

actual truth, and then people turning against the kids

44:17

and being like, see, all of the kids are

44:19

liars, you can't believe them. And it coming out

44:21

of like, no, some of the kids were telling

44:24

the truth, but some weren't. And it just was

44:26

basically the cops faults for not, you know, actually

44:28

using child, like questioners, they

44:30

did not bring in people who knew how

44:32

to talk to children. They just had these

44:35

like French investigators, I imagine smoking thin long

44:37

cigarettes being like, so tell me what

44:39

happened. And then they just believed every single

44:41

word and the kids were like,

44:46

they should have been up to them to

44:48

like gather physical proof. Like some

44:50

of the kids did have it. But then there's

44:52

one girl who was like, Yeah, my dad, Ray

44:55

me with three other men all at the

44:57

same time. And the doctors were like, she's

45:00

a virgin. Like none of that we examined her she's

45:02

none of this happened. There's no signs of

45:05

any of this, there would be signs. So well,

45:07

because I have a I have a question

45:09

about this. So like, because I haven't seen

45:11

it. I don't even know if I can. It's

45:13

one Yeah, it's one where I'm like, the lab,

45:15

the first two episodes are so hard to watch,

45:17

because they just lay out each fact as it

45:19

kind of comes out. Yeah. And then by the

45:21

end, when you realize like, how

45:24

it actually went down, and like the people

45:26

who are guilty do get prison time, although

45:28

not enough. And it that was also the

45:30

other thing is that eventually all the people

45:32

who were innocent do get acquitted. And the

45:34

people who were guilty got time, some of

45:37

them got like time served, because basically, they

45:39

all were sent to prison as soon as

45:41

they were arrested, and were in

45:43

there for like two, three years, there were some innocent

45:45

people who like did not see their families for three,

45:47

four years. And then the

45:49

four people who actually were guilty, each

45:52

one of them only got like six to 10 years. And

45:55

they were like, After ruining keep

45:57

other people's lives. That's so insane.

45:59

They're all. Out now I was

46:01

like. There's all three now. they're out

46:03

like they all got our in, just were

46:05

like. Sorry. About that td my name

46:07

ever talk to again. And. I

46:09

just it is the wildest argument or

46:12

she. Will. That the

46:14

so my biggest questions like why were some

46:16

of the kids line where they told a

46:18

lie Because like the number or because what

46:20

I hate about this, what I hate about

46:22

this whole situation and why want answers as

46:24

because. Predators.

46:27

And abusers and stuff like that love

46:29

to be like wolves people lie at.

46:31

It's like point Zero zero. One percent he

46:34

ball make a false. Claim especially a

46:36

child. I'm sure it's like negative Zero

46:38

Zero. Been on a nina. They say

46:40

why these kids that someone had to

46:42

or them. It just doesn't make sense.

46:45

So they. Do talk about it and

46:47

so this is a small French town like

46:49

this is it appear as this is more

46:51

rural like everybody kind of knows everyone and

46:53

so without started to come out about these

46:56

three kids. Are. As the investigation

46:58

was going. That. Like it was

47:00

being gossip about like between parents, baby baby

47:02

sitters and so you know one girl is

47:05

said even like I just heard my babysitter

47:07

saying on the phone like that's what they

47:09

did to someone side. I repeat it. it.

47:12

Yo. And it's kind of move a lot of

47:14

the kids being like. You. Know it at

47:16

the The adults wanted me to say this would seem

47:18

like they were getting happy the more that I said

47:20

are made up or you know them would they seem

47:22

like that's what they wanted me to say. Oh

47:25

yeah and will feel that they

47:27

interview have to have be original

47:29

victims the of the the people

47:31

who were found guilty and it

47:33

says whore It's so sad to

47:35

talk to them because they. Clearly.

47:38

Just work believed after that even though they were

47:41

the ones telling the truth and who it all

47:43

started with. But. At the same

47:45

time. They. Start telling stories

47:47

of like. And. My dad

47:49

murdered someone, he murdered a girl and buried

47:51

her in on a farm in Belgium and

47:54

they took us to Belgium to bury her

47:56

and made us have sex with like animals

47:58

and stuff. And everyone. The

48:00

way? okay way. Well.

48:03

In there like will know we'll show you

48:05

where the farm and they never find a

48:08

body or anything but he still to this

48:10

day swears that all happened and it says

48:12

i think of your a fascinating documentary of

48:14

just like false memories, real memories, how we

48:17

still just like forget victims in the midst

48:19

of all this chaos and how easy it

48:21

is for abusers to distract from the point

48:23

to just create all of this noise. Do.

48:27

You. Know not really face accountability.

48:29

Because people want to believe because of

48:31

those people. Yeah, it's like or talking

48:33

earlier people wanna? Believe that victims are

48:36

lying. And at this stuff doesn't actually

48:38

happened and so theres any. Gray

48:40

and of like wow I don't know

48:42

what about that led a what about

48:44

ah there's that. It's like he.sitting senator

48:47

the same time. yeah. They. Can

48:49

be that this kid experience it and this

48:51

kid lied about it because he was exposed

48:53

to an insane scientists about only kids. You

48:55

never hear shit like that. Now is the

48:57

Us is the other thing that stands out

49:00

to me. I'm where is that the young

49:02

kids that that loose? They just put these.

49:04

On trucks like are in the on

49:07

the sand with no prepare preparation. Know

49:09

talking to a psychologist to be like

49:11

lives really get into like what is

49:13

this? What does this mean? What do

49:15

you think these words mean And Eight

49:17

and Like is one of the cases

49:19

that at the end they talk about

49:21

how it totally transformed a child sexual

49:23

assault cases and how they're approached how

49:25

children are taught to and it's because

49:27

France fucked up so bad that it's

49:29

everything had to change over the world

49:31

and people were leg would have less.

49:34

And. Move like having twelve people

49:36

who were acquitted eventually and found

49:38

innocent like they've got millions of

49:40

frogs or Euros or whenever they

49:42

it was the biggest settlement and

49:44

like French history. While.

49:47

Because it was just like they'd have been doing this. Early? Sure

49:50

yeah they did you any. They just are

49:52

like we believe the kids in the parents

49:54

were like what like test due to test

49:56

like look is gather evidence I didn't do

49:58

this and yeah. But

50:00

then you have the other side of eggs

50:02

were you look at? I'm. Or.

50:05

You look at the. The. Twenty

50:07

twenty show where it was like.

50:09

Oh so many people were like he

50:11

can you do what like a wellness

50:13

check on the family housing market and

50:15

they don't do it and they'll do

50:17

it like you have. You have to

50:20

extremes that feel like when it comes

50:22

these cases where it's like they're northern

50:24

northern Nord. unbelievable amounts of harm happens.

50:26

I'm. Very good nord and then

50:28

they're like over compensated for and I'm

50:30

like no due diligence as done at

50:32

all. They're just like arresting whoever from

50:34

wherever and it's like okay neither one

50:36

about in the area or none of

50:39

this is. How the issue. Know.

50:42

It's so. And it's also strange to me

50:44

because like if that was my. Professional job

50:46

of I feel I go to figure it

50:48

out by now like we do this a

50:50

long time and time. So. So. Weird to

50:52

like see them be like. My. Oh no

50:55

we didn't look into. yeah. What He.

50:57

Calls. From like a sixteen year old

50:59

being like a think my brothers that are being

51:02

abused we didn't check and about why should we

51:04

can read the other where it's like ah now

51:06

she's only to sign a letter. To. Be voluntary.

51:08

Like only. Other

51:10

the a new here with that

51:13

women women who throw documentary the

51:15

Frenchman started I was like will

51:17

clearly this must be the seventies

51:19

or eighties like for that I

51:21

know know this having in the

51:23

two thousands we were owed. A

51:25

lot of it in like two thousand. Far

51:27

as you, Blake, that's what I mean. I'm

51:29

just like you been doing this long enough.

51:32

This is. A. Profession.

51:34

How. Could you not know what? to? Do ya?

51:37

Because like. This. This is weird

51:39

because it's is. This is very much not our

51:41

profession and I have no I'm like would you

51:43

not do this like it's just. It's.

51:45

Wild to me that it's just like either. Ignore.

51:47

It or just like, pull people out a

51:49

Walmart and be like are you. Carry

51:52

Anderson because apparently he's a rapist.

51:54

Your go to jail yet? Lake

51:56

of What? Yeah, It's. Gather

51:59

it. Ridiculous. I've we were at

52:01

time here. This went. So.

52:03

Fast and this gonna have to come

52:06

back so we can actually talk about

52:08

like dating and relationships so that's what

52:10

I guess what is going to do

52:12

but I think the both of us

52:14

has it does decompress from the eyes

52:16

of amount of sad who are both

52:18

of documentaries we've been watching. Yeah

52:20

because I haven't been watching a lot

52:22

of at at at night I have

52:25

to turn on at least like fifteen

52:27

minutes a new girl to like really

52:29

reset some share because otherwise like you

52:31

can not keep watching in. The.

52:33

Dark side of the two thousand

52:35

until you half. Hour and then you

52:37

have nightmares. You are. Yeah, you gotta

52:39

break it up. I've been doing like

52:42

night core and. That

52:44

I cordially booed, which. Is.

52:46

This show is fine and the

52:49

of. And. Then

52:51

I'm also watching a Palm Royale

52:53

on Apple Tv which. Has.

52:56

An all Star Cast: Kristen Wiig,

52:58

Allison, Janey, Carol Burnett so many

53:00

stars, Ricky Martin's and it is.

53:02

yeah, so confusing and weird and

53:04

it's like they just threw a

53:06

bunch of money at something that

53:08

they didn't really have a strong

53:10

idea. Wow and it's like, okay,

53:12

Nunca. I started watching and I

53:14

was like i cannot figure out the tone.

53:16

Here yet the it's all over the place. So.

53:19

Name's Jake really kids in like oh

53:21

where winking at ourselves and other times

53:23

it's like is this a murder. Mystery

53:26

or something? Like way it says

53:28

it's like they just most together a

53:30

different shows. That

53:32

that's. I I which is I

53:34

don't. I always wonder like how that happened

53:37

what they are it was there an original

53:39

vision because sometimes you look back and it's

53:41

flat. There was a movie that

53:43

started off as one thing and then

53:45

too many cooks got involved. Or was

53:47

this division. Yeah. I always wonder that stuff

53:49

like that these seekers or like. You.

53:52

Just Felix somebody came and of as

53:54

I know everybody has a duck and

53:56

you're like okay I'm going into the

53:58

most money with. This is how

54:01

it has to be and. Unlike everyone's like why that's

54:03

a show or ever phone has a dog and

54:05

it's like sort of the theory see that. Ah

54:08

yes, even a bad fall know. As

54:11

you have any recommendations, For the

54:13

listeners anything you think people to check out. Oh

54:16

My. God. It's so hard to

54:18

escape from the shackles of what

54:20

I've been watching recently. I don't

54:22

know. You know, I talk a

54:24

lot. About like I'm a i'm a big

54:26

rewards are are he asked the same things

54:28

all the time and then sometimes and things

54:30

and then. I just did

54:32

like my ninety of rewards. Of dead to

54:35

me and eight or than to me.

54:37

I love dad's me. As

54:39

a such a beautiful so I've never

54:41

seen a character like. Judy. On

54:43

Tv I think it's such a

54:46

gorgeous exploration of like Tramon, queerness

54:48

and mental health of says like.

54:50

And. Of obsessed with that. So

54:52

so that will be my. Ah,

54:55

not unbelievably have a regime that

54:57

that oh yeah for you or

55:00

if you watch. Any. Of the documentaries

55:02

we talked about watch to subscribe to our

55:04

and It I fall into that yeah. It'll

55:06

help turn things around you look

55:08

at the true crime he thing

55:10

to I if I can I'll

55:13

have a galley can have fun

55:15

trying said than and greet son

55:17

trauma and and. Really?

55:19

Funny and like yards of it has so.

55:21

Many bang. Ah and my suggestion is

55:23

gonna be Grey's Anatomy. Oh he grazes

55:26

back baby. At out of this season

55:28

it's like they just want you know

55:30

why. Goods. Go batshit.

55:32

Let's go. let's go insane, throw at

55:35

all. Yeah, well, let's do it cove.

55:37

they're just. it is the standard old

55:39

Grey's Anatomy. again of just like, what

55:42

do you mean? there's a bomb inside

55:44

a baby is? On the

55:46

chaos back. So if you're not crazy back

55:48

if you me from traditional old school tv

55:50

or that that's that's that's your homework, That's

55:53

that's what you got to watch at. Its

55:55

were in one of those weird bowls right

55:57

now where there's not like a ton of

55:59

new stuff. The Dalek about to come

56:01

back. So. A younger gonna have a

56:03

bunch of to talk about com and up. Lane

56:06

Thank you so much for. For joining

56:08

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56:10

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56:22

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call it Axel never called Icaza Never

56:26

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56:28

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56:30

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56:32

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56:34

More and I thought get I thought

56:36

it was his knee is on patria.com

56:39

slightly more. Ah and yeah that's my

56:41

third book as the book and my

56:43

second but you will find your people

56:45

how to make meaningful friendships as an

56:47

adult comes out and keep her back

56:49

on April. Thirtieth. Yes, he can do.

56:51

And it has an. Extra

56:53

colorful fun. Ah, about colorful, but

56:56

it's. The. Whole different vibe which

56:58

is always fun and you can do that

57:00

with your buck. Felix's new but yeah, that

57:02

sounds like the exact book I need to

57:04

pull me out of the suppression spiral or

57:06

me or in also just maybe not watching

57:09

Murder. Twenty four, seven, seven other those going

57:11

to be big changes for me. The an

57:13

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