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1:00

afternoon, Desire. Thank you for joining me

1:02

year in the garage today to talk

1:04

about your son's case. Could. You

1:06

tell, Thank you for having you're most

1:09

welcome. Could. You tell? Me:

1:12

And the listeners a little bit about your

1:14

son were yes I can. Work.

1:16

Can say with sean was.

1:19

The. Cake type a kid where.

1:22

He. Always. Was.

1:24

There to give a helping hand. I

1:27

didn't find out how much of

1:29

a helping. Hand. That. Much

1:31

how. Was. Giving out.

1:34

Until his passing. I.

1:36

Didn't know that my

1:38

chow. Was. Helping

1:40

out what did it teaches that lived in

1:43

my building. With. Her

1:45

kids with a project. of

1:47

a of project that he is system

1:50

way. That. She say he took the

1:52

time Now we came to this. Oh.

1:55

They. Went on these the

1:58

Pot Trails name. He.

2:00

Picked up things with the kids

2:02

on. My. Son.

2:05

Uses. Take fold up my

2:07

refrigerator, And

2:09

give it to the people cross the street. My.

2:12

Son. Was. Very.

2:16

How can I say last into

2:19

fashion. But. He liked.

2:22

Old closing like. The.

2:24

Fishermen at San.

2:27

He. Was this are all soul? And

2:30

always make sure. That.

2:34

If. He could. He was when

2:36

he was willing to help anyone.

2:38

Was he. As smart as

2:41

he was, good looking. Yes,

2:43

yes, he was the

2:46

smartness is. I

2:48

discovered that was signed.

2:51

Bad. Then you know we had the

2:53

video movies or the movie that you put

2:55

in the Vcr. He.

2:57

Was renting them out what our

3:00

had his own little business corner

3:02

has his own little business going.

3:05

Way. He can you know get

3:07

a school snacks or whether the his

3:09

save with snacks. Was. Chocolate

3:11

chip cookies and milk. Could

3:14

you tell us about the last time

3:16

you saw. This on. It.

3:18

Was valid Sunday morning.

3:21

And. I was up getting ready to

3:23

work. He was a little concerned because

3:25

saw was the type of was aware.

3:28

He. Always believe in having a

3:30

job like. If. If. If.

3:33

Was a much by am I

3:35

remember when he has his job

3:37

and he was born to school

3:40

and work is at night. And.

3:42

You know I didn't like it,

3:45

but I know he loves his

3:47

independent. So. Them wanting

3:49

he was up. He was getting

3:51

his clothes ready. He

3:54

has his book bag. With. His

3:56

resume and you know he was

3:58

concerned because he had. That a

4:00

while not that long, but a

4:02

couple months and bothered. So.

4:05

I remember when I got to

4:07

the train station uploads and and

4:09

as said listen. Your. Phone

4:11

bill in if you have any other

4:14

load those you know mommy see a

4:16

mom is gonna help you a don't

4:18

want to stress thing. Over.

4:20

The fact that no one has

4:22

poured you back yet from the

4:24

few interviews that you with one.

4:26

You. Will get a job until. Then mommy

4:29

got you. And I'll see

4:31

you later because he was my balance

4:33

on. A. Mommy

4:35

and Son. Was. Supposed

4:37

to get together that day and

4:40

you know, have lunch and everything.

4:42

Russia doesn't show up for this

4:44

day. And What? Can

4:47

you take us through the process of

4:49

what prompted you to report him missing?

4:51

And how did you go about reporting

4:53

him as well? I called

4:55

Sam adding you know my poor

4:57

went straight to voice mail. And

5:00

I kept cause I kept calling

5:02

That kept calling. So.

5:05

I left work and I remember the

5:07

last call I made them as I

5:09

can't believe this to me up you

5:11

got me worry I haven't spoken to

5:13

you. When. I get home

5:15

you will have of the disuse. When.

5:18

I got home, he was not there. I.

5:20

Saw the panic in a lot of bit

5:23

because. We. Talk.

5:26

Maybe. Three. Or. Four

5:28

times a day when I'm at

5:30

work. So. At

5:32

work I'm thinking. Maybe.

5:34

He didn't charges phone may be smooth

5:36

either way ever and I was on

5:38

get home. A knows what? will

5:41

I? Mom's this is what happens. When.

5:43

He wasn't there. And.

5:45

I have issue with that. I.

5:49

Paid. Up most of the night in

5:52

Illinois I heard I'm thinking that was

5:54

him. Come. In in the door. When.

5:56

Was shining come home that

5:58

night. I immediately.

6:01

Knew something was wrong. I

6:03

went to work as started calling

6:05

the hospitals. The. Sea is

6:08

anyone. Came in when I didn't call

6:10

the police to make a wee boy.

6:12

They came out but this is what

6:14

I was. So. Due. To

6:17

his age. And he wasn't

6:19

a special nice town. There.

6:21

Really wasn't much they can

6:23

do. I was

6:26

told. That. Maybe

6:28

he was is. Hanging. Out

6:31

with his friends edge know he

6:33

of beyond so. And what

6:35

I was trying to tell the officer

6:37

was. That know he was in. That

6:40

was in the type with chow he was.

6:42

he did in. He. Didn't do

6:45

that. That. That. Was

6:48

it is thing. And. He

6:50

would have contacted me. If.

6:53

You know that was the case so

6:55

the police follow up was just them

6:57

coming out there. day was did you

6:59

hear? Before the seventeenth of

7:01

February did you hear anything back

7:04

from the police other than them

7:06

coming out? Now you're now. Now.

7:09

Now of course it took

7:11

several years. With. No answers

7:14

with you Really been

7:16

the one to. Lead.

7:18

The charge. With.

7:20

Petitioning America's Most wanted to

7:23

cover the case. And.

7:25

Keeping tabs on even

7:27

the detectives, And. It

7:30

who's working the case and in and

7:32

what's what if any progress they had

7:34

because from an outsider looking in desire

7:36

it appears to me like they had

7:39

a lot of ideas early on they

7:41

were working a lotta leaves in talking

7:43

to a lot of people that knew

7:45

were shown early on and then. For.

7:48

Lack of better term. the case kind of went

7:51

cold. Could. You tell us

7:53

a little bit about that. The. Kind

7:55

of that down period in the

7:58

investigation when. They. Had. The

8:00

run out and leads starts to get cold

8:02

and and now it's just it's just mom

8:04

and family. Leading the charge

8:06

after the on his in the

8:08

beginning I'm not saying case. I

8:11

did not feel. That.

8:15

The detectors is a very beginning.

8:18

Was. Really? watching

8:20

my son case. I

8:23

have to be honest with that. Mustn't

8:25

case. Been. Really

8:27

started getting worked. Also.

8:30

Detect the a model took it

8:32

over. Himself. I'll

8:35

never forget. How this

8:37

detects it came to mean he said.

8:39

You. Know. The. People

8:42

that talk to. No.

8:44

One has had any bad thing

8:46

say about your son. You. Know

8:48

when it I call I. Decided.

8:51

To do a march. You. Know

8:53

the keep his name of the year. To

8:55

let them know somebody knows something.

8:58

Whatever you know, You. Know

9:00

I gave my email. You know?

9:02

I gave numbers that you know people can.

9:05

Reach. Out to. I

9:07

got together with discharge and we used

9:09

to go out with No Should Avenue.

9:12

Where. He was south on

9:14

the train tracks there and we would

9:17

like candles. And you know so

9:19

no with was would. Come out as

9:21

you know. I would say

9:23

once again somebody knows. Something.

9:27

Whatever those thing that's you,

9:29

Think. Is not employ and. Talk

9:32

of by the tell somebody about it.

9:34

As. If I

9:37

gave gathering. You.

9:39

Know assault dinners. Just.

9:42

You know in his name. There.

9:44

Was a scholarship fund. It was poor.

9:46

there was some a boy a scholarship

9:48

that was stored it. With

9:51

you know, labs, lions and

9:53

some of his other people.

9:55

We got together as. We.

9:58

Was able with a cell says. Will

10:00

it make the money? Where we sites? Are

10:03

the kids said college? You know,

10:05

with money that was donated. I

10:08

try to do everything I possibly

10:10

could. To. Make sure.

10:13

That. This. Is.

10:15

Case just being go pole

10:18

and nobody. You. Know wasn't working

10:20

on it. And. It just.

10:23

It just it was hard for me.

10:26

It. Was odd because. I.

10:30

Knew. Somebody.

10:33

Out there of my son's life. And.

10:36

The way that they did it.

10:38

They. Didn't allow me to look upon

10:41

his face again. So.

10:43

With all of that his his.

10:46

Head. Meet Saw adds. A

10:48

Me In the beginning. I was. So

10:50

angry, You know? I

10:53

was hard. I was. So.

10:56

Many emotions. I wanted

10:58

to know why in you know

11:00

how could this of app then

11:02

as. I even blame myself

11:04

for a while because I felt like.

11:07

May. Be Ah led him

11:09

to believe. that you

11:12

know everybody needs help them because

11:14

of the what did I do

11:16

you know our the much how

11:18

they feel like you know the

11:20

home is the We the. People.

11:22

That you can now get out. Maybe

11:25

I made a mistake. About

11:27

that. but. I just kept

11:29

going. And just kept going.

11:32

Detectives have a term for. The.

11:34

Categories it does, your son would

11:36

be. For in investigator in

11:39

the I don't know if anybody's

11:41

ever share this with you, but

11:43

some detectives use the term true

11:45

innocence. True Innocent were absolute innocence.

11:48

And. The. Person's of fall into

11:50

that category. you know because you you hear

11:53

on the news and you seat in the

11:55

newspapers oldest this person. Or

11:57

this senseless act of violence or ended

11:59

this. This and person's life. But.

12:02

As far as detectives are concerned, there

12:04

are actually very small part of portion

12:06

of the population that are true innocence.

12:09

True. Innocence and your son would fall

12:11

into that category. Often times it's someone

12:14

that is too young. you know, like

12:16

at a young child. Who.

12:18

Who doesn't have an extended social

12:20

circle is too young to be.

12:23

Up to anything. That

12:26

might put them in harm's way or running

12:28

around with the wrong crowd and your son

12:30

falls into that. That. Category.

12:33

Of. A person. A good person

12:35

who. Was. Doing good things,

12:38

And was truly. Innocent.

12:41

and unfortunately what we did not Now at

12:43

the time, and two thousand and five is

12:45

it This. This. Person who is at

12:47

the complete opposite end of the spectrum. Who

12:50

can only be categorized as a monster?

12:53

Was living and had some

12:55

association with your family. Living

12:58

close, And. What?

13:01

One of the most startling things in this is

13:03

something that I i I picked up in the

13:06

news so forgive me if this is wrong, but.

13:08

You know there? There's nothing easy about

13:10

this case. There's. Nothing. Comparable.

13:14

To talk about with this case. But.

13:17

One thing that stood out. And.

13:19

Made me. Incredibly.

13:21

Angry. And I

13:23

wanted to hear your thoughts on this.

13:26

And and maybe if there's a way

13:28

that you can convey. How

13:31

you felt what you experience at the

13:33

time after the arrest. Of

13:36

Gov on the the way that this was reported

13:38

as your and court. And he's

13:40

supposed to be paying attention facing

13:42

the judge and. Did. He

13:44

turn to you and say something earth

13:47

or turned his you and whisper mouse

13:49

something to you. Yes,

13:52

He. Miles to me. I love you.

13:54

Is. So. Every

13:57

fiber of my be.

14:01

Not. Run. Up

14:03

and try. To. Show.

14:06

Though. Life. As him.

14:09

But. What I realize

14:11

was. This. Person.

14:15

Was. Trying to victimize me. And

14:18

that was in one The allow

14:20

that because I have already. Been

14:23

to enough. Is.

14:26

Shocked me. To.

14:28

Find out. That. This

14:30

young man. In the being

14:32

connected. To. My son.

14:35

When. Detect know model. Told.

14:38

Me he was retiring. As.

14:40

I say okay, that's it is

14:42

over. There. Is that?

14:44

Where Do I go? A.

14:46

You know you said, but I have

14:49

someone that wants his son's case. Now.

14:53

I met. You

14:55

know I was a low do. Well.

14:58

Why does this? Officer.

15:01

What? My son's case and, you

15:03

know, he introduced me to Jason

15:05

in you are acts Jason, why

15:07

did he want this case and

15:09

I remember him telling? When

15:12

you're saying case, post

15:14

it. I put.

15:17

That article. One by

15:19

my desk. he said because I

15:22

felt like if it did not

15:24

enough getting sold any do enough

15:26

in the cold case unit. I

15:29

wanted it, he said because. I

15:32

you know I will always hear

15:34

bus up to the family was

15:36

done. When you're talking to detect

15:38

the moto and him tell me

15:40

how passionate. You. And your family

15:43

was about trying to find out who

15:45

did this. He said I just refuse

15:47

to allow this case to just go

15:49

and let them be done. So.

15:53

With all the hard work, I'll

15:55

never forget it. It. Was

15:57

around Christmas time. And

16:00

that it finally. Decided.

16:03

To. Celebrate Christmas. Because.

16:06

Christmas. Was Sean's holiday

16:09

as says. I

16:12

was sin. I. You know, I

16:14

just didn't do it. And

16:16

I'll never forget when they called me

16:19

an hour to meet with them. And.

16:22

You know, when they gave me

16:24

this information. I lost it.

16:27

Because. His personally

16:29

Madison Street from me. I

16:31

know this person's family. When

16:33

I say no, the family,

16:35

I know the family. Now.

16:39

Mean. This young man did not

16:41

have a good report with one another.

16:43

At all. And when I.

16:46

Discovered. That there was

16:48

a possibility of a connection. With.

16:51

Our son and that call it. And. He

16:53

said that to me. I was

16:55

I okay. Now. A sassy? would?

16:57

you don't. You want

16:59

me? To act out

17:01

you want. To see.

17:04

My hurt. Us. Obama

17:07

be better than you. I'm

17:09

a whole this. And.

17:11

I'm gonna let the system do what

17:14

they need to do. To get

17:16

you off the street. He tried to play

17:18

the victim in the court room at times.

17:20

Yes, And he

17:23

seems like he like. The.

17:25

Spotlight or too cause drama to

17:27

draw attention to himself. I

17:30

agree. Ah, drama is that

17:32

the word? We was in

17:34

the lobby when they brazil in. It

17:37

was. Ridiculous.

17:40

Like. Me:

17:43

My. Same. Size.

17:45

Brother. L one of

17:48

my son friend we were standing near.

17:50

I had to hold them back. Because.

17:52

They was. I. Look

17:54

At Him. Like.

17:57

Look. At that at. Is

17:59

it? They will. It was. It.

18:01

Was something to see. It really

18:04

was. But. That I'd love you.

18:07

Thing. Yeah, that was

18:09

it for me. Mine.

18:11

Use all. No one saw him to turn around.

18:14

He. Got away with that the police

18:16

after after the arrest it sounds

18:18

like especially things we her from

18:20

Detective Palomar on is that the

18:23

police felt pretty good about their

18:25

case against Give and. And

18:28

we know that fits. Many

18:30

people felt good about the case against

18:32

him because he goes to the grand

18:34

jury. And. They.

18:36

Decide. That. Yes,

18:38

this is that these charges are warranted.

18:41

the should go to trial. How

18:43

and why? Do. These

18:46

charges. Get. Dropped against

18:48

someone who is committed such.

18:51

Heinous horrible acts and.

18:54

Against more than one victim as well

18:56

I'm can feels as you off. When.

19:01

They. Did. The first

19:03

far with hand with the young

19:05

lady. That. He

19:07

brutally. Killed. And.

19:09

He was convicted. I

19:12

remember. Clearly what?

19:16

The. D said to me he says.

19:18

Now. Must resolve. Is.

19:21

Your time. And. We're going

19:23

to seats away. That.

19:26

You get the justice that you

19:28

deserve. Now remember.

19:31

Call this year. Then.

19:34

Remember. There was a

19:36

disaster were all the. Evidence

19:38

was. And

19:41

seven say they had

19:43

was laws. But.

19:45

You know why. Bay. Has

19:47

so much more. When.

19:50

I say detect the A model.

19:52

And his the point now. J.

19:55

Same. As as believe

19:57

when this call case you the

19:59

guess ago when I may. They

20:01

gave them. So. Much

20:04

more. Ah was so

20:06

angry. Angry because it

20:08

was like a slap in the face

20:10

of face. It. Was it?

20:12

It was a slap in the

20:14

whole whole case unit stays. Because.

20:17

It kept for one except for Jonas

20:19

and get a journey. and I'm Italian.

20:22

And the tell you. I've. Been

20:26

getting the feeling. And

20:28

I always ask the same question.

20:30

Are we good? Are we

20:32

good? Ole. Miss Missouri who have

20:35

nothing to worry about. We'll good We

20:37

good. Well. Family called

20:39

with his. Family.

20:41

Were getting court date. Me

20:45

and my family sat in that

20:47

courtroom. It. Was is one

20:49

thing after another, after another

20:51

after another. And

20:54

then I remember this

20:56

day, our watch. The.

20:58

Da. His. Lawyers.

21:01

Go. Up to the bench. The

21:04

conversation and his share with my

21:06

family. But I

21:08

said they are discussing to

21:10

let this case go. After

21:13

the that day they set a

21:15

date. I asked to

21:17

speak to her. She. To

21:19

me. And my sister

21:21

in a room and live. Directly.

21:25

To my face. That.

21:29

This with one was a trap. Ah,

21:31

acts or I said. Is.

21:34

Everything good She said yes,

21:36

We're. Going to trap I said to

21:38

her. Arm want to thank

21:40

you. For. Allowing me to

21:42

go the child because even though. You

21:45

know job in the the A officer

21:48

like okay y'all loss would have a

21:50

yard loss in the evidence. I.

21:53

Appreciate the fact. That you're gonna

21:55

allow a jury. To.

21:57

Decide. His fate.

22:00

You're. Gonna put their. What

22:03

you have. What?

22:06

You. Say. That

22:08

was enough. For. The

22:10

Grand Jury to advise him.

22:13

With out. That

22:15

evidence you have been presented to

22:17

them. And that's I

22:19

appreciate that us or whatever happens

22:21

that sure how I will accept.

22:24

The outcome. Well.

22:27

She calls me. I

22:30

was getting off from work. As

22:32

she said to me on this was a

22:34

i'm a need you to come into the

22:36

office doesn't need to speak with you are

22:38

so wow I don't like. The. Sound

22:40

of this. As he said

22:42

well I just need we the comment. So.

22:46

A hot town on the phone

22:48

had already told me what was

22:50

gonna happen of women so they

22:52

offices. And.

22:54

A friend of mine's with with me. Is

22:58

destroy me. To

23:00

hear. That tables on the

23:02

dismiss the case that he is. He

23:05

is. What they felt like.

23:08

Was. Satisfactory for me. Oh

23:11

but don't worry he's in jail for

23:13

life. he's never gonna get out of.

23:16

We will see to it every time

23:18

he comes up for or said he

23:20

never makes parole and assets are. But.

23:23

What do they do for me? Because.

23:27

For mean, He's. In

23:29

the answer. For. My son's

23:31

life. As an ama

23:34

tell you something I feel like.

23:36

Is my son was from

23:38

a different back? wow or

23:40

different area. No matter how

23:43

little evidence you had you

23:45

still with us to discuss

23:47

draft. But. It sounds

23:49

like the me just say muslim case. With

23:51

incentives to get it doesn't matter,

23:53

I should be happy that you

23:55

know job after the first wow

23:57

he's not worth the money for.

24:00

That can drought and he got

24:02

life. So there we did. Our

24:05

that Saturday at discuss the Dallas

24:08

syrup sitting near and I'm same

24:10

amount wouldn't she supposed to do

24:12

for me doing this meaning n.

24:14

What? Else will make me angry

24:16

as if your boss. Didn't. Even

24:19

have their deaths in that respect.

24:21

For. Me about them the to be here

24:23

at the he stood in my face and

24:25

said to me. Miss Without. Don't

24:28

worry, we're gonna take this all the

24:30

way to travel no matter what. I

24:33

said outside a cry. For.

24:37

Ah when. I

24:40

couldn't believe. It

24:42

or the hot won't. That

24:45

was done. I'm sure

24:47

they had so much more.

24:50

That. They themselves. Been.

24:52

The The say. Let's

24:55

take is a trout is that That's

24:57

all I've seen. Cases go with a

24:59

little, have not seen. It

25:01

all depends on how you present the

25:04

evidence to the jury and how strong

25:06

you are. But.

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26:07

with in this case in particular with

26:10

with the individual that would be on

26:12

trial of divots, he's the type of

26:14

individual would you saw play out right

26:16

in front of you with your own

26:18

eyes. She's the type of individual. If

26:20

you put him on a stage in

26:23

give him enough rope he will hang

26:25

himself. Exactly. Did

26:28

saying that so aggravating here? It's

26:31

it's. It's. A.

26:33

Double Whammy situation right? It's

26:35

not only have they stopped

26:37

fighting for were Sean. Davis.

26:40

Almost handcuffed you and prevented you from

26:43

continuing to fight for your son. Me

26:47

with a day. That's

26:49

exactly what they did. It

26:52

was. I. Hear. What you

26:54

gonna do? Like. Okay, yes

26:56

he does on the news. That say, whatever.

26:59

And then they have a sports

27:01

person. At the I see that

27:03

is the. View. On.

27:05

The News: When Mary Murphy

27:08

bad of sports person. That

27:10

lie as says. Always

27:13

miss was our already knew that

27:15

this was gonna happen. That's a

27:17

lot. No, I didn't that now

27:19

the I waited to the very last

27:21

minute. To. Give me

27:23

that information. Because. I was

27:25

still under the impression that no matter

27:28

what you were lost their jobs don't

27:30

go to travel with of the you

27:32

are. So. I

27:34

didn't get the up with so. Easy

27:36

to go back and says she's

27:39

a liar. Know. What? I

27:41

didn't I didn't know anything. I

27:43

had a tough I kept persisting

27:46

says this goes to that. I

27:49

kept insisting. Nothing.

27:52

But. This is what I end up with.

27:55

And. Like you said, I just felt. Trapped.

27:58

My. Hands. They. An.

28:02

Hour at and in. My energy.

28:05

Frankly, It's it's rude on

28:07

their. On their part

28:09

Because if they've decided that we're not

28:11

going to do anything that we're not

28:14

going to advance your son's case further

28:16

through the courts. Then when you talk

28:18

to the news, when you talk to

28:20

the media, if they've already decided they

28:22

they've given up, they shouldn't even offer

28:24

up a rebuttal. They shouldn't even put

28:27

a spokesperson or woman up there to

28:29

the or mans. It's to have a

28:31

comment on what your comments are. They've

28:33

decided not to do anything. So.

28:35

Sit down and be quiet is is my

28:37

feelings and and you dear if you want

28:40

to shout it from the mountain tops you

28:42

should. And. You,

28:44

you get you. Had.

28:46

The unfortunate experience of exp

28:48

of. Witnessing. This first

28:50

hand. And. Witnessing

28:52

the action and then lack there

28:55

action by their office you have

28:57

every right to say what it

29:00

is that you experiences and what

29:02

you feel. In and what

29:04

they did or didn't do. And

29:07

your son's case and I'm self

29:09

know. I am so sure.

29:11

As gametes you that this other

29:13

cases that is the A had

29:15

done the same way you're a

29:18

New York I'm in Ohio and

29:20

unfortunately as. I've.

29:22

Witnessed cases and in spoke to

29:24

family members in cases that are

29:26

similar here. In. Ohio

29:28

where he just feels like there is

29:30

a. Not just a lack

29:32

of urgency to prosecute, but. But.

29:35

Even. In some cases,

29:37

A. Lack of effort to

29:40

investigate further. And. Unfortunately,

29:42

I've seen are eating town a

29:44

month up to two hands now.

29:47

The. Number of times that I've seen where we

29:49

have an individual locked up. For one thing, And

29:52

he's done a bunch of other horrible

29:54

things and. The. Powers that

29:56

be go. Well, that's good enough. He's.

29:59

He's been. In bars. He's gonna be there for

30:01

a long time. And. That's gonna have

30:03

to be good enough and that's what this

30:05

was here and I know we've got we've

30:08

We've talked about it already quite a bit,

30:10

but but in the early stages, middle stages

30:12

in. How could your son's

30:14

in your opinion From what you saw,

30:16

what you experience, how could your son's

30:18

case of been handled differently? And

30:21

is there anything that can be done

30:23

Now I feel. Like. Reading

30:32

handle that you have been already

30:35

taking care of. And.

30:37

On the side. I.

30:40

Felt like. in the

30:42

beginning when they was given certain.

30:44

Information. They.

30:46

Share the has. Follow so

30:48

with that information in the

30:51

beginning. See the

30:53

Da's office? don't realize. How.

30:56

Much I do know. How.

30:58

Much. That people from

31:00

the street. Has talked to

31:02

me, And I just.

31:05

Feel. Like they didn't They didn't do

31:07

it like. Dates. Of

31:10

anything. That jason.

31:13

Be. Handed.

31:15

To them. As says

31:17

okay wow. Yeah. You

31:19

gave us this but because we

31:21

lost what as a was there.

31:24

Then. The. Other say that

31:26

you gave us an. Issue

31:29

is wrong but. We're

31:31

this. not gonna do it. Is like.

31:34

They. Had this attitude of what if

31:36

we lose this case as the a

31:38

loss will allow racket. Everything.

31:43

That came into they authors. They.

31:45

Should have follow through with

31:47

it in the very beginning.

31:50

You. Allow called with to hit. You.

31:53

Sad fact I remember which amounts of

31:55

them as saying to them off feel

31:57

like they're muslim case is gonna. Not

32:00

mean your jaw in your file

32:02

cabinet. And forgot it.

32:05

Is that just how Muslim

32:07

case ended up? In

32:09

a file cabinet, clouds and

32:12

as dismiss. And

32:14

that's that. Everything should have

32:17

been done differently. And like right

32:19

now. the only thing. That. I've

32:21

no hope for. If

32:23

we get a new da. And

32:26

ah, camp was. Possessed.

32:29

Once. Again, must sign

32:31

case. To a new da's

32:33

as sitting there as says look at

32:36

this go back him he does go

32:38

back and look at that. As.

32:41

Hopefully maybe something to be

32:43

done be that it never

32:45

went to trial. And

32:47

there was nobody. There. Was

32:49

this this Ms but maybe

32:51

was a new the A

32:54

sitting near and. That.

32:56

New the A said no. You know

32:58

what? Wiggles has the chance we don't

33:01

take this a drought were what we

33:03

have right here because this was good

33:05

detective work. Be that it was a

33:07

cold case. With. Want to take

33:09

all of this and we gonna use it

33:11

and with on see with the jury guns that.

33:14

And like I said, I

33:16

would have a pre shave.

33:18

it. Appreciated that so much

33:21

because as soon as if

33:23

a jury. Has a set

33:25

that. And heard as

33:27

the thing. Other than this

33:30

piece of. Evidence that they

33:32

laws. I don't know why, but I

33:34

just feel like a jury would have

33:36

been life now. Now with

33:38

a lick of the I. It's.

33:42

It's it's. good that. To. Like

33:44

I said, It. All. Is

33:47

all about how you present. What?

33:49

You have. The. Passion

33:52

and that to show. And

33:54

your determination. When. It

33:56

came down to the lack of

33:58

determination. so. I can

34:01

tell you. That there was one prices

34:03

that was sitting in that room with

34:05

as. I can tell

34:07

his heard her to have so

34:09

that's a person that was an

34:12

amazon case with sitting over for

34:14

the telling me. That.

34:16

Those those dismiss it as the add

34:18

insult to injury, you know they asked

34:21

me. She emailed me

34:23

the acme. Obama.

34:25

Your eyes you will be as quoted a

34:27

while without being caught. Robert Robert I've been

34:29

there for that. If is

34:31

of as as plane dismiss that. Even

34:34

the service was sitting there was looking like.

34:38

Like this is all wrong. This

34:40

is so wrong. But.

34:42

Because of the person that has a gays.

34:45

The. Person on the whole didn't speak. And

34:48

like that's all you'll new let your boss and

34:50

new in his do this. With me

34:52

is as she told me she's a while I

34:55

agree with we just didn't have enough. And.

34:57

That was like wow So everything

35:00

that jason as gauge our was

35:02

in a laugh. But.

35:05

During. A have. That.

35:08

Evidence that you lost. That's not what

35:10

was presented to the grand jury and

35:12

they still indicted them. As

35:15

is all. just. Comes.

35:17

Down to like I said. They.

35:20

Decided. Okay, we got

35:22

a guilty verdict on the Froze Strauss.

35:24

Let it be. He's. Never

35:26

getting out as that was their

35:28

main thing. Of comfort

35:31

from them to me. Oh,

35:33

he's ever getting out. donning worry about it.

35:36

Go. home. With that, forget

35:38

it, Is. Done. Well.

35:41

In the thing here is your your son

35:43

was. Good. To

35:46

say good upstanding citizen is just the tip

35:48

of the iceberg in in some ways. He

35:50

was a nine shining armor for some of

35:52

these people that he was trying to help

35:54

and people in the area people the he

35:57

knew. The. Be.

35:59

Only. Rose. That.

36:02

You had. Seemed. To come from

36:04

the Cold Case squad. And

36:06

that's it. There. Was no night

36:08

designing armor for you or your family

36:10

or for were Sean for that fact.

36:13

From the Da's office and to

36:15

me, All this says in in I

36:17

want to be clear because somewhere there's going to

36:19

be somebody listening and they're gonna say next. Hang.

36:22

On pump the brakes a little bit buddy. The.

36:25

But I want to be cleared. Did this is

36:27

a situation that his end up. As. You

36:29

said in as has been reported as dismissed

36:32

yours. Your son's case dismissed. It's not. They

36:34

didn't come to you and say this is

36:36

pending further evidence or or we're gonna continue

36:38

to work this case and continue to build

36:40

a case against Gov on. Now it's it's

36:42

we. We can't do anything is but we've

36:45

we've We've put our hands up in the

36:47

air. We don't lie, don't know, We can't

36:49

do it. There's nothing left for us to

36:51

do here. and to me that that shows

36:53

an extreme lack of character. On.

36:55

Behalf of the District Attorney. And.

36:58

It shows is a big sign of weakness

37:00

because as you said earlier, a concern for

37:02

having a loss on their record. Who cares

37:04

if you have a loss on your record?

37:07

the general public, the public that you represent,

37:09

the families that you represent, the people that

37:11

went bad, people off of the streets, violent

37:13

horrible people off of the streets and lock

37:16

up and put away to they don't deserve

37:18

to live in our society. The. People

37:20

that want that. They don't care about

37:22

your losses. We, yes, we care about your

37:24

wins. Rak have some wins. We want wins

37:27

for the good people, for the citizens. We.

37:29

Don't care about the losses as long as

37:32

you try that. Say. Every Sunday

37:34

every Sunday the worst team in in the Nfl

37:36

marches out on the field and they may play

37:38

the best team in the Nfl Fs and you

37:40

know it secretly inside the locker room. They my

37:42

say themselves I don't think we have a very

37:45

good chance of winning today. Do. They just

37:47

pack up and get on the bus and go back home. Though they

37:49

go out and they play the game. And. They

37:51

give it their own. they bust their butts

37:53

to try to climb that mountains. and David

37:55

beat the lights. And here

37:57

I is is to be as is a lack of.

38:00

Character. It's a sign of weakness. It

38:02

nobody cares. Man, if you lose, just

38:04

go out there and try and give

38:06

it your all and instead know they

38:08

closed the book in said we've That's

38:10

we can't We can't do anything here.

38:12

So. If went when they when

38:14

they seem to care about losses guess

38:16

what? This is a huge loss for

38:18

them. A huge loss for them. Well.

38:21

I can honestly tell you. Clearly.

38:25

As. A fact. That. Case

38:27

was dismissed. Due. To

38:29

lack of. Evidence or ever

38:32

they want play. No.

38:34

One came to me as say. All

38:37

but with on a Father and sets the

38:39

gate with on a T V game with

38:41

none of that. My. Son

38:44

case. In these out.

38:46

Just. Where I didn't want

38:48

it to end up. In.

38:51

Their file cabinet. Shut.

38:54

Done. They have moved on. But.

38:58

They. Moving on in their mind

39:00

saying oh, but we got

39:02

that when that posts when

39:04

he's in jail for life.

39:07

So. That shit club were.

39:09

Everything. Miss. Buzzell should

39:12

feel comfortable and happy with the

39:14

fact that. He. Was

39:16

never getting out because that's while was

39:19

to me. was. Oh. Would you

39:21

don't have to worry? Just keep this in

39:23

mind. He's. Never was

39:25

getting out. He. And I'm

39:27

looking. I'm like. Wow.

39:30

So. This. Is

39:32

yo. Way this is. This.

39:34

Is the all and Brands such an it

39:36

to me right now. I

39:39

could be grateful as should. Be thankful.

39:42

That. He's never getting out. And

39:45

that every time he come up for

39:47

parole zola that make your he never

39:49

received said. Okay, Okay,

39:52

obviously very well tonight.

39:54

Okay, Array.

39:57

There. Is dismissed. As.

40:00

A concern that. Was it

40:02

they? They they quit, They did.

40:04

They were born. Mean. They've

40:06

quit on my son. It.

40:08

Never crossed their mind that was never

40:11

thought in their mind that. Be.

40:13

Victimized me and my

40:15

family. Just. How it

40:17

was when his life was

40:19

taken. How We sell. Shadow.

40:23

Laws. No. Answers.

40:26

Confuse. That's

40:28

how I felt sitting at

40:30

that table listening to that.

40:33

That's. How I felt when I

40:36

read my email. Trying to

40:38

find I Am I going to court. I

40:41

was so messed up. To.

40:44

Where I saw myself it was

40:46

no me, me sir their own

40:48

sitting at home was going to

40:50

do what. Mess. With

40:53

my psyche and with the word. I

40:55

hope my clients. I

40:57

cried for me. Wrong. The.

41:00

Next morning I just repeated that

41:02

process. Was. Going into work,

41:06

Felt. My clients. Fly.

41:08

Come back home. Talk to

41:11

my husband here. Who.

41:14

Just. Talk it out just lot.

41:17

but. How. Much walking,

41:19

Can I Do? When.

41:21

I realize. That.

41:25

I've been locked out of his his

41:27

been set them. Now.

41:30

I just have to. Heal

41:32

myself Now at this. Valentine's.

41:35

Day. I. Have to. Go.

41:37

To was or something on

41:40

his birthday April fifteen at

41:42

the go. A little something.

41:45

You. Know. I.

41:47

Do have bad days. I have

41:49

days where I wake up. And.

41:52

our be like. Wow. What

41:54

was he has been doing. In.

41:57

His life to day life. With.

41:59

You. He'll be working at the

42:02

hospital because days after his

42:04

death. Ah how phone call

42:06

from a woman that's showing

42:08

up with thought as interview

42:10

and New York Presbyterian Hospital.

42:13

Just. Sevenfold, He.

42:16

Got the job. I

42:18

had to tell her. What?

42:20

Happened to him. That

42:23

woman as only measure of on the

42:25

interview and she cry. She

42:27

said no as that's. As as

42:29

not, right. That. Oh.

42:32

And. Thus oh, I'm sorry. And

42:35

She said. I just

42:37

met with light we see the

42:39

after the interview they sat there

42:41

and. Talk. For

42:44

hours she said like she had to

42:46

put like say okay I've I get

42:48

back to work now. And.

42:51

She's already know to what of in

42:53

the visual given the job. She.

42:57

Just how go. That job was right

42:59

across the street from the men's shelter

43:01

that I was working at at that

43:03

time. Desire: I'm so sorry for your

43:05

loss. I'm. I'm. So

43:07

sorry that this. To.

43:09

They didn't, it did. This wasn't

43:12

handled differently. I'm sorry

43:14

The Dave. The. Da's given up the

43:16

fight. When you never gave

43:18

you do you have every been

43:20

beaten down, grieve, and. The.

43:22

Way that you had to bend. You have every

43:25

reason to give up the for yourself you didn't.

43:27

Didn't give up the fight. And.

43:30

They should never have done so

43:32

either. Is it? Is there

43:34

any? Is. There anything that we

43:36

did, did we miss or that we didn't didn't

43:38

We didn't talk about the you want to express.

43:41

What? I would like. To

43:44

make. A statement is. So.

43:47

Anyone. That.

43:49

Lose a family member.

43:54

To. Such a valley act. Never

43:59

give up. Keep

44:02

trying to. Fight the good

44:04

fight and is it does

44:06

come down to where. Your

44:10

hands are tied. Hopefully.

44:14

Someone. Will. Reach

44:16

out. To. You.

44:19

In order for you. To.

44:22

Be. Able to say what you

44:24

need to say. Remove.

44:28

Some of the. Anger.

44:35

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44:37

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44:39

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44:43

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44:46

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44:48

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44:51

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44:53

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44:55

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44:57

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45:01

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45:08

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