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Welcome to Travels with Jim and Rita .

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I'm your host , jim Santos , and in this podcast series you can follow along as my wife Rita and I work

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out our crazy plan to outfox the real estate market in the US and

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actually increase our retirement nest egg by

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spending the next three years or so living abroad

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and exploring the world . Are

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we bold , forward-thinking pioneers or

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just plain nuts ? Let's find out together

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, shall we ? Hello

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everybody , I'm Jim traveling with my lovely wife Rita , and you're listening to Travels with

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Jim and Rita . Well , we've had a busy 10 days in

1:01

Knoxville with doctor's appointments , getting

1:03

our household storage situation under control

1:05

, sorting our clothing for the next two

1:07

legs of our travel and getting the car

1:09

service before we take a 2,000 miles plus

1:12

road trip to visit family and friends

1:14

before we leave for Europe in early August

1:16

. I thought it would be a good time

1:18

during this break to stop and take stock of how

1:20

things have been going with our plans to grow our nest

1:22

egg while traveling and living on a budget

1:24

of about $3,000 a month . Let's

1:27

look at expenses first . Although

1:30

not technically part of our roving lifestyle

1:32

, as the travel happened before we sold our home

1:34

, we did spend 10 weeks in

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Panama , one month in Panama

1:38

City and six weeks at the beach in

1:40

Playa Coronado . The

1:43

month in Panama City turned out great . We

1:45

got a good rate on the Airbnb , less than $1,200

1:48

a month , and we were just a short walk from a mercado

1:50

and seafood market , which really cut our

1:52

food expenses . Even with

1:55

some nice meals , out excursions to the Miraflores

1:57

Lock and the island of Tobago , we

2:00

still came in at $2,746.17

2:04

for the month , easily under budget

2:06

, and it included our transfer to Playa

2:08

Coronado . Rita , how did you feel about

2:10

that Panama City trip ?

2:11

I actually liked Panama City

2:14

. I

2:18

enjoyed the Rambla , or some people call it the Malecon . We had access to great

2:20

food at the Mercados , the

2:23

fish market and also

2:25

the veggie and fruit market . We

2:28

enjoyed walking around Old Town

2:30

, which was Casa Viejo

2:32

. So all in all

2:34

, I would say it was a great trip in

2:36

that we got to really enjoy

2:39

Panama City . However

2:42

, it was extremely

2:44

warm most

2:46

days in the 90s

2:49

, very humid , so

2:51

we did most of our walking early

2:54

in the morning and if we went out

2:56

at night we used Ubers

2:58

so that we didn't have to walk back

3:00

in the heat . But I thought

3:03

it was a beautiful city . It has

3:05

something for everyone . It

3:07

had two great malls . One was the

3:10

Albrook Mall , which really

3:12

I felt was more the

3:14

everyman's mall . Anyone

3:16

could find something there that

3:19

they would enjoy . And then there was

3:21

the Multiplaza Mall , which

3:23

was more a luxury

3:25

mall , more upscale . Yeah , fendi

3:28

, cartier , chanel

3:30

, that kind of stores , which

3:33

is not your average man's

3:36

cup of tea , but if you

3:38

can afford it , that's wonderful . But it

3:40

has something for everyone .

3:42

I really liked about the Ubers Absolutely

3:44

.

3:44

The first one we ordered .

3:46

we ordered it before we went down the elevator

3:48

, and by the time we got there the guy was waiting

3:50

for us . So after that we had to wait until

3:52

we were actually on the street to order it , because you could

3:54

get them so quickly and pretty

3:57

cheaply too .

3:58

Right , I think that Panama City was

4:00

very convenient . Would be easy

4:03

to live there if you

4:05

could tolerate the climate .

4:08

And , to be fair , they were having a

4:10

hotter than normal winter .

4:12

Exactly they were .

4:13

But you can expect it to be

4:15

pretty hot and pretty humid for a good part

4:17

of the year there .

4:18

Right . All right . Well , now let's talk

4:20

about our other Panama excursion . That was

4:22

to Playa Coronado , about an hour and a half

4:24

or so southwest of the

4:26

city . We were there for 10

4:29

weeks , so that would make our proposed

4:31

budget about $4,500 for that

4:33

visit . Now , right off the

4:35

bat , we were in trouble because our Airbnb fee was

4:37

$3,587.33 , so that left us less than

4:39

$1,000 to work with , and 33 cents , so

4:41

that left us less than $1,000 to work

4:43

with . Even worse , much

4:45

to our surprise , there was no easy

4:47

way to reach a mercado or a seafood

4:49

market to limit our grocery expenses . We

4:57

did , however , save on dinners out , but only because we had limited choices and the food was

4:59

not anything special in the restaurants that we could get to . So still for the

5:01

six weeks , we came in at $51,3723

5:05

, which was about $600 over budget

5:07

. But wait , we

5:10

had a lot of trouble with the air conditioning in the unit

5:12

and you can get the details in an earlier

5:14

podcast and also on my blog

5:16

at jimsantosbooks . com/ blog

5:19

. But there were other issues with cleanliness

5:21

in the condo as well . So

5:23

we ended up asking the owner very nicely

5:26

, I thought if she could rebate us $600

5:29

due to the several days where we had no AC

5:31

. We had to wait for repairmen and because

5:33

the pool was closed for part of our stay , we

5:36

thought she'd probably count her at around $400

5:38

. Instead she refused to refund

5:41

a dime . She offered to let us stay

5:43

a couple of days longer or come back next year

5:45

for a few days for free , but why

5:47

we would want to do that with the problems we were having

5:49

, I have no idea . But

5:52

at any rate , you can always involve Airbnb

5:54

directly in any dispute . Now

5:57

we took the precautions of taking pictures of

5:59

leaking AC units , stains

6:01

on the couches and mattresses , and

6:03

had screen captures with dates and times of

6:06

when we were asking for help or reporting

6:08

a repairman that had still not arrived

6:10

over WhatsApp . Much

6:13

to our surprise and delight , airbnb

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determined that we should get a refund of

6:17

$1,147.50

6:19

for our trouble and promptly

6:21

issued a credit to our card . So

6:24

that dropped our 10-week expenses down to $39

6:26

89 and 73

6:28

cents , so suddenly we were almost $600

6:30

under budget . Now

6:32

, rita , I know you were not particularly thrilled

6:35

with our stay in Playa Coronado . Right

6:37

. I think it was a big disappointment

6:41

to us because there

6:43

were , first of all , everyone

6:45

we saw was an expat . The

6:48

eateries were catering

6:50

to expats only . You didn't see

6:53

any locals eating in them .

6:55

And all bar food . There weren't really Panamanian

6:57

delicacies , exactly .

6:59

There was not really what you would call

7:02

local food at

7:04

all , and I think the biggest

7:06

thing for me was the first beach

7:08

area I've ever been that

7:11

you couldn't walk in any direction

7:14

and not have a drink or

7:16

a meal right on the ocean

7:18

. All those restaurants

7:20

were way

7:22

back from the ocean . You weren't enjoying

7:25

like a sunset

7:27

or a sunrise , going for a cup

7:30

of coffee and then sitting on the beach . That

7:32

just wasn't available there . So

7:34

for me , as far as a beach

7:36

experience , it wasn't what I

7:38

was anticipating and

7:41

I just didn't feel

7:44

any local vibe .

7:46

Yeah , it was disappointing , but if

7:48

you're looking for an expat destination

7:51

where you can play golf , where

7:54

you're surrounded by a lot of other expats , so

7:56

there's not as much pressure on trying to

7:58

learn Spanish or learning anything about the culture

8:00

.

8:01

It would be a super easy landing if

8:03

you intend not to be

8:05

involved in any way with the local culture

8:08

. Well , the saga continues . We returned

8:10

from Panama in mid-March . We had

8:12

a buyer on the hook and about a month to

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get our household goods sorted , distributed

8:16

, packed up and stored . Somehow

8:19

we managed I'm still not really sure exactly

8:21

how and on April 18th we closed

8:24

on the house and headed for the eastern panhandle

8:26

of West Virginia to spend a few days with our daughters

8:28

and grandkids before leaving for Mexico

8:30

. Now , our first week in Mexico was

8:33

at a seaside resort in Playa del

8:35

Carmen called Sunset Fisherman . That

8:38

week we consider completely off the books

8:40

. This was purely a rest and recovery

8:42

vacation after the stress and the physical

8:44

effort of packing up the house . Now

8:47

, we didn't worry about budgets at all . We just enjoyed

8:49

meals , this time by the beach , and

8:52

we sat on our balcony every morning with coffee , gazing

8:55

out at Cozumel across the water . Now

8:58

, despite more hot weather , that seems to be really

9:00

a theme with us this year . I really thought

9:02

that was a great and very relaxing week

9:04

. How about you , R rita ? Oh

9:06

yeah , I loved it . I

9:09

loved the fact that we could walk less

9:11

than a mile down the road

9:13

and have any type of food that

9:16

we wanted sit on the beach

9:18

, enjoy our drinks , have a nice meal

9:20

. Plus , we

9:22

actually took a ferry across to Cozumel

9:25

and visited our friend Belle , which

9:27

we had a great day with her . Belle

9:29

, the batty botanist . Yes .

9:31

You look her baddibat up on Facebook .

9:33

Yeah , absolutely so . It

9:35

was a fabulous week . I really

9:37

enjoyed it . I loved where we

9:39

stayed , the fact that we

9:41

could be on our balcony , nobody bothering

9:44

us , nobody could see us , we could have our

9:46

coffee , just enjoy

9:48

. It was very relaxing . I enjoyed

9:50

it .

9:51

Yeah , it was the beach vacation we thought we were going to be getting

9:53

in Playa Coronado .

9:55

Right , exactly , okay , now back into

9:57

roving mode .

9:57

We thought we were going to be getting in Playa Coronado , right

9:59

, exactly . Okay , now back into roving mode . We set

10:02

out from the Cancun airport to the mountain town of San Miguel

10:04

del Allende . Now

10:06

there , our Airbnb expenses was just

10:08

over $1,200 , which is not

10:10

too bad , but it's a little pricey for San Miguel

10:13

in the off season . We were

10:15

, however , right in the old town section and

10:17

just a short walk from Mercado , so

10:19

we were very happy with the location . We

10:22

ate out a little more often than usual because

10:24

we had friends in the town , but we still

10:26

came close to our budget , hitting $31

10:29

31 , and $0.94 , so we

10:31

were just slightly over budget . Now

10:33

, despite a record heat wave , again

10:36

, this is the year of hot

10:38

for us . We had daytime temperatures

10:40

in the mid-90s for most of the month . It was

10:42

really anywhere from 10 to 14 degrees

10:44

hotter than it normally is at that time of the

10:46

year in San Miguel , but we

10:48

still really liked it . In fact , we actually came

10:51

close to buying a home there , right ?

10:53

Yeah , yeah , I loved well

10:55

, we looked at several homes , but

10:57

I really fell in love with one , and you

11:00

did too . It had outside

11:02

courtyard .

11:04

A beautiful rooftop .

11:05

Oh , beautiful rooftop . It was

11:07

absolutely perfect . That

11:09

was the only home that we saw that I thought I could

11:11

see us living in . We saw that I thought I could

11:13

see us living in . The

11:16

kitchen was great . There were three

11:18

bedrooms , three

11:27

full baths . It was perfect , had a place to park a car . It would have

11:29

been a very easy transition for us because it was more us than anything

11:31

we saw . But the altitude

11:34

at 6,000 feet was giving

11:36

me some blood oxygen level

11:39

problems and

11:41

I'm not real sure . I think maybe

11:43

we should go back at another time and see

11:45

if we can acclimate . I'm not

11:48

real sure that we can or

11:50

I can , but I love the Tuesday market , oh my

11:52

gosh . Yeah , the Tuesday market , oh

11:54

my gosh .

11:55

Yeah , the Tuesday market was great .

11:57

Yeah , it was about an

11:59

acre of market of the

12:01

most unbelievable produce

12:04

and it was just fabulous

12:06

. The fruits and vegetables were just

12:09

amazing .

12:10

Again , and you can see some pictures of that at

12:12

jimsantosbooks . com blog

12:15

, or also look at our YouTube channel and

12:17

you'll see a little video of the Tuesday Market there .

12:19

And we really had a sense of

12:21

community there . We met a

12:24

couple of friends that we had known for

12:27

a few years , Todd and

12:29

Da Timon and we just

12:31

truly enjoyed seeing

12:33

them again , and they

12:35

brought us into their community of friends

12:38

. It was absolutely

12:40

a wonderful visit , so

12:42

I really think

12:44

that we could very

12:46

well acclimate there quickly

12:48

.

12:49

You know what was interesting about the expats

12:52

there ? There were a lot of expats , but

12:54

they were more integrated with the society

12:56

than what we ran to in Playa

12:59

Coronado .

12:59

Oh , absolutely Absolutely

13:02

. They were volunteering in the community

13:04

and their life was

13:06

not expat , expat , expat

13:09

. It was really

13:11

trying to immerse and

13:14

be helpful and enjoy

13:16

their surrounding .

13:18

A lot of great meals in San Miguel

13:20

. Also , I don't think we had a bad meal at

13:22

any restaurant . Oh no , it was

13:24

fabulous food Fabulous

13:27

.

13:27

Plus , we enjoyed just walking around

13:29

in the evening when it was cool , loved

13:32

the mercado , enjoyed

13:38

all the fresh fruits and vegetables . That was really

13:40

a half a block from us .

13:42

The locals also have a great sense

13:44

of community . There were random

13:47

parades just about every day . There

13:50

was some kind of music or dancing or entertainment

13:52

out in front of the many churches

13:54

entertainment

14:01

out in front of the many churches .

14:03

It seemed like it went from an indigenous play

14:05

or parade to a mariachi band . It was yeah , it was very enjoyable

14:07

.

14:09

On the downside in the historic

14:11

district , especially where we were , it

14:13

was rather noisy sometimes

14:16

, especially at night , and again

14:18

because of the heat , we had to have the windows open all

14:20

the time , so there was no real break from

14:23

the noise . In the area that

14:25

we were in , a lot

14:27

of people had what they call rooftop dogs

14:29

dogs that are

14:31

on the roof just basically to help protect

14:33

the home , to have not having people jump

14:35

from rooftop to rooftop and and come

14:37

down into the home , and these dogs

14:40

would bark or howl at odd

14:42

times of the night and one would set another

14:44

off and then you got a little chorus going . Also

14:46

, like you see in a lot of Hispanic

14:49

cultures , a lot of fireworks

14:51

a lot of firecrackers , a lot of fireworks .

14:53

We couldn't decide if it was celebrating

14:55

marriages , births or

14:58

divorces . We're not 100%

15:01

sure what was going on there , but , yeah

15:03

, a lot of fireworks .

15:05

Or just , hey , I got a bunch of fireworks yeah

15:09

, the fireworks during the day too , which

15:11

never made sense to me .

15:12

No , but having lived

15:15

in a resort town in Salinas , Ecuador

15:17

, we were kind of used to the fireworks

15:19

.

15:20

Yeah , and that way it was almost like being at home .

15:22

Yeah .

15:23

But something interesting this is my

15:25

first trip to Mexico . Rita , you've been a

15:27

couple of times years ago . Right

15:30

, and actually the election was

15:32

held the day after we left and you're

15:34

seeing in the paper about the bloody reaction

15:36

to the election and about , you know , writing

15:38

and all this stuff . But you

15:42

know , Mexico does have this reputation among

15:44

a lot of North Americans for being a place where

15:47

there's a lot of violence , but

15:49

it's not violent through

15:51

the entire country and that's

15:53

really important to keep in mind . A In

15:56

San Miguel , there in particular , we really

15:59

felt just completely safe . We were

16:01

walking around at night a lot . We were out walking

16:03

during a power outage on

16:06

these streets just using our cell phones for flashlights

16:08

and we really didn't

16:11

hear of , see or experience

16:13

anything that looked like it was

16:15

uncomfortable or difficult

16:17

.

16:18

Absolutely , it was very

16:20

yeah

16:22

, just like you were home , walking

16:24

in your neighborhood .

16:26

Yeah , so naturally you do have to be careful

16:28

wherever you are , you

16:30

know , and in American cities you have to be careful

16:32

what neighborhood you're in and how late you're out at

16:34

night and in those particular areas . But

16:36

it's important to keep an open

16:38

mind . Remember that Mexico and

16:41

other countries are not necessarily as

16:43

dangerous as they're portrayed in

16:45

the news . There's the saying

16:48

if it bleeds , it leads for

16:50

a reason . That's what makes the

16:52

news , that's what catches the eyeballs , so

16:55

it tends to be skewed in that direction

16:57

. You don't hear about those little festivals

16:59

that we saw . You don't hear about the people giving

17:02

up their seats for the elderly on the buses . You

17:04

know , that kind of stuff doesn't make the news . It

17:07

was very interesting to be there ourselves and to look around

17:09

, and I'd be happy to go

17:12

to San Miguel again or even some other place

17:14

in Mexico , wouldn't you ?

17:16

Oh , absolutely I enjoyed

17:18

that month . It was

17:20

hot , but there were so many

17:22

pluses that the heat

17:25

was doable .

17:26

Yeah , it was interesting to be sitting

17:29

there with all the windows open , sitting around in our underwear

17:31

and people walking by our door saying hola

17:33

, buenos dias .

17:34

I know we were talking to each

17:36

other . I thought , oh my God , you'd never

17:38

do this in the States .

17:41

Well . Lastly , in the expense column , how

17:43

are we doing in June so far ? Well , as

17:46

of June 10th , we were at $1,949.66

17:51

already for the month . I know that sounds

17:53

bad , but that includes almost $1,000

17:55

for 10 nights at an Airbnb in

17:58

Knoxville and we had

18:00

our airline and hotel expenses for our trip back

18:02

to the States because we had to juggle our

18:04

flights a little bit . Also

18:06

, for the rest of the month , in the first three weeks of July

18:09

we'll be cat sitting here in Carmel

18:11

, Indiana , and our only expenses will

18:13

be food and gas . So

18:15

the rest of the month of July we're visiting families

18:17

and friends . We're only looking at a few hotel

18:20

stays for the long road trip . So

18:22

the rest of the summer looks pretty good . That

18:25

is until we take off for Europe on August

18:27

the 6th with a plan that shoots our

18:29

budget all to hell and back . But we'll

18:31

keep you in suspense on that . For now , Rita

18:34

, how do you feel about what we've been spending so

18:36

far ?

18:36

Oh , I think we're right on target . I think

18:38

we'll balance out just what

18:41

we've planned at the end of the year . It

18:43

will balance out because we'll be

18:45

doing some pet sitting , we'll be doing

18:47

some RV renting

18:50

, we'll be doing Airbnbs

18:52

.

18:52

I think we'll be fine even

19:02

when we have gone slightly over budget , we're still spending less than we're making from

19:04

our social security and pensions and et cetera . We haven't had to

19:06

dip into any of our savings

19:08

for our regular living expenses

19:10

.

19:11

Plus the added income from

19:14

the sale of our house , what it's

19:16

earning us in long-term

19:18

savings plans .

19:20

Speaking of that , that's the other part of

19:22

our plan , not just spending 60%

19:24

to 70% of our regular income

19:27

. The goal was to also increase

19:29

the size of our nest egg by letting the proceeds

19:31

from our home sales generate income . Well

19:34

, the numbers are in for the first six weeks , the

19:37

last two weeks of April and the month of May , and

19:39

during that time we've watched the numbers grow

19:42

in our HYSAs , that's , high

19:44

yield savings accounts . So that part of

19:46

the plan is working very nicely . It's

19:48

been really gratifying to see that we can actually

19:50

make money while we travel . So

19:52

a couple of travel notes . I mentioned

19:55

last week we had some flight delays and difficulties

19:57

getting out of Mexico due to extreme weather

19:59

in Texas . The

20:05

excruciating details are also in the blog if you're interested , along with pictures of historic

20:07

Querétaro where we spent our extra day . But one thing went very

20:09

well for us this was our first time entering

20:12

the US using our new global

20:14

entry status . I think Rita

20:16

will agree that was a wonderful shortcut

20:18

.

20:19

Oh , absolutely , it took about two

20:21

seconds .

20:22

Yeah , it was great . We didn't

20:24

have to fill out any forms , we didn't have to answer any

20:27

questions , Didn't even have to take out our

20:29

passports . We just walked up to the

20:31

Global Entry kiosk , let it scan our

20:33

faces and bingo cleared for

20:35

entry . So if you

20:37

travel out of the US more than once or twice a year

20:39

, I highly recommend it . So

20:41

if you travel out of the US more than once

20:43

or twice a year , I highly recommend it . Now

20:47

, fortunately , also our American Express cards reimbursed us for the fee when

20:49

we applied for it , and I understand some other cards that focus on travel will do that

20:51

as well . Now we also

20:53

use TSA PreCheck , Although

20:55

in our little airport in Knoxville there's not much

20:57

difference in wait time , and in

20:59

fact we've noticed in larger airports so

21:01

many people are using it now that the lines

21:03

are almost as long . But

21:06

at least you don't have to strip and take your shoes

21:08

off and all that . So it's still totally worth

21:10

it , to my way of thinking anyway . Now

21:13

the other perk we upgraded our Amex

21:15

to use is airport lounges

21:17

. Now we've been in a few and

21:20

it really makes those two or three hour layovers much

21:22

more pleasant , Not to mention being able

21:25

to get free food saves you $50

21:27

or more over the cost of airport food

21:29

. How do you feel about those , Rita ?

21:32

Absolutely Cause . Sometimes you'll go

21:34

in and order something . Well before

21:36

before we had access to these lounges

21:38

. Go in and order your food and

21:40

you weren't sure you were going to get it , be able

21:42

to eat it and still make your flight , and

21:46

it was always $50 . So

21:48

here in these lounges , not

21:50

only do you get it's a buffet

21:53

, you get any food and drink that you

21:55

absolutely want . Plus , you

21:57

can charge your devices , get

21:59

them topped off , you could take a shower

22:01

, you could rest . It's just an

22:04

absolute wonderful deal .

22:06

You're not trying to sit on a little plastic chair

22:08

out in a group of people and balance

22:10

a drink on your knee while you're trying to eat

22:12

a sandwich and not drop it all down your shirt .

22:14

Right , yeah , right .

22:16

Yeah , it's been amazing to me how

22:19

big some of these lounges are too . When

22:21

you walk by them in the

22:23

terminals you just see a doorway

22:25

or maybe a person standing at the doorway , but

22:28

when you go into them , we've been in some that

22:30

just take up an enormous amount

22:33

of space . One of them

22:35

had a garden that was open to the outside

22:37

. You have a lot that have like outside

22:39

seating areas , couches

22:42

and lounges places you can take a nap . It's

22:44

really a great thing . If you're . You

22:51

know , like us , you're traveling a lot . You're going to be in

22:53

airports for a couple hours at a time , or even longer . It's a good idea to look

22:55

to see if one of your credit cards supports

22:57

joining . Yeah

22:59

, in our particular case , the American

23:01

Express Platinum card includes

23:04

membership and priority pass , which

23:06

gets you into certain lounges in

23:08

airports around the US and the world . But

23:11

then also be sure and look because , for

23:14

instance , if we fly on Delta Airlines

23:16

, we're not in the Delta Club

23:18

, but if we show our American Express card

23:20

, then we can still get into those Delta Clubs , provided

23:23

we were flying on Delta , it can show the boarding

23:25

pass . So there are other ways that you can

23:27

get into these other clubs and it's definitely

23:30

worth your while to check those out . So

23:32

, Rita , any final thoughts on our travel

23:35

and our lifestyle thus far , before we wrap

23:37

things up .

23:38

We're doing great . I'm excited

23:41

to start our adventure

23:43

again in Europe .

23:45

All

23:52

right . Well , that's it for this week's show . Thanks for listening

23:54

and thanks for your continued support . We

23:57

now have listeners in 34 countries

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around the world . Before

24:01

we go , a reminder that Rita and I will

24:03

be returning to the US to be at the International

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Living 2024 Ultimate Go Overseas

24:07

Boot Camp coming up in Las Vegas October

24:10

26th through 28th . I'm

24:13

scheduled to give a couple of presentations and

24:15

we'll both be in the exhibit hall to answer questions

24:17

about slow travel , the places we visited

24:19

and our plans for the future . There'll

24:22

be expats and experts from around the world and

24:24

if you're interested in attending , check out

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. Until next time , remember we travel

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not to escape life , but so that life

25:04

does not escape us .