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Hello, welcome to Sky News home

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counties, where we have a labor

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leader, Keir starmer here responding

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to allegations that he is boring.

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They

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saw incorrect at also fundamentally

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am true as you can say.

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If you'd like to just pass out these handouts

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to talk to pad. Itemized

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on pages 1, through 19 are examples

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of the fight with o i not boring. For

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example, I am i of

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the campaign for real. ale

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which involves drinking lots of pipes of

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real out what a boring man do that

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it's just a summer out at this is a

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adam adam to bug at bolton swallowed

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a sky news or other hometown a the eyes

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are there any girls at visa real ale

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parties technically know what

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, trying trying trying

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to bring some bring i'm

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currently in negotiations with in

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fox get

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topic compounds are campaign for real

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i'll make up i think that's if we

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could get sir liam fox behind the campaign

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for real i'll have a it really

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has chance of success at

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what do you say to members of your own party

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who have accused you of being boring i

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would say we're

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all dartboard to be boring sometimes

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man has to come forth and site

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this were it's not real

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bear it's not a better enough

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it's not happy enough it doesn't

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contain enough oh say

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notes constitute ,

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serious english by about like that's

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something we all have to acknowledge and a

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sacred mind what we're talking

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about ale of thank you very

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much we better leader of the opposition

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my contrary to as you may have

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heard in our a t s players

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rendition of what we think that us

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interview with starmer would been like and sign

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up to forty watts it haven't so well

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wasn't really pulling my white in t f players

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that to be honest i ,

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look we need alice's stage manager

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for the tf players lazard lines

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with car purchases at

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this purchases at into the and like you love blood

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in case I got Cove it again,

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which I did but I don't have I

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electronica stage at primavera

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we're surrounded by a bunch of like white

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europeans chanting real hip

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hop

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it sure is fun gray owl hair ball

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you got a little kill come thing where

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you see a like an account

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manager role his oz and

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cause there's one of covert molecules to

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like go into your lungs

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the only more you way to get cove

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it as if you were talking into a plate of oysters

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and one them had like comical greens

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inclines that came out of good but you a anyway

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and it gave you cove it a that's

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true that's true hi everyone a

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it's tf a you know what is

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it is milo hours

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of saying is our eyes

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assume off on his honeymoon enjoying

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a heart shaped bed somewhere he's he's

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on secondment wise guy stands

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up that's right it was like those going

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make joke i realize are saving it out about

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groomed saying honeymoons varney but

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then was like the groom slash grooming

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groom etc it's no longer wife of

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conciliator of marriage affiliate thousand per

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view of right wing freaks and that sucks epsilon

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like regular away from us sounds actually

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what what word next right wing numb

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of mine midnight look at a big get back

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now but it's what pay very funny

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about that i'd starmer boring thing he did

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actually say to his eyes

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shadow cabinet

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please stop calling me boring it's

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not really i mean these be naive

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boring the knives are out the shadow

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cabinet office and a

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yawn wes streeting has streeting has

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and hungry luck will be hungry mostly

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from mcdonalds yeah yeah wes

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streeting com call anyone boring come

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on although here's the thing was fun

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time what you think is not fun about

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a guy who has spent his entire

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life within and against the

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labour party labour the answer

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to my ankle

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yeah i'd bet it without any of the sense of

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funds that would be a non boring

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prime minister my hancock is more

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effective labour politician than wes

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streeting of or i'll say this

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though that the victim think that's all very fun

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bright eyes nokia starboard the anger being

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boring with much more fun know is

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lisa nandy coming out

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saying i would find illegally exciting

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to have prime minister who is prepared to act with

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honor and sags that on us

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is very complicated sentence

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structure that's it i'm that that

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starmer rest labor is like

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oh what would you have not been

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the prime minister who would have like it's fucking

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all said and at the end that when you unsigned

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go all the fucking clauses

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and sit his honor

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a thing which no one gives a shit about

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know least of all baris and and he has been

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held the head by a coconut in it so

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convinced half that see is like keto

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the elder and half the season because of

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imperial japan on

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japan i generating sentences were

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going back to my lower your least

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favorite processed sign which

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was processed sign can

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say oh haven't how long

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oh sorry that may must we saw your

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clothes yahoo is ways and them by

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have you tear a patent nz and or sensory

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the mayor whatever yeah lots of en yes

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ah using out that lisa

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nandy so then i simplified

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i'm going to redo have yeah

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would find it deeply exciting to have a prime minister who

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prepared to act with honor and integrity

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to abide by the rules that he himself

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had made

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a man censored but nested

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fucking stuff got operative absolute

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it in one hundred percent since

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, tie so the elder was happen

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to leave for benefit benefit

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is is like freaky friday but with a

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guy who died two thousand years

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ago out i mean out

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i'm it's as is it is

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a good it's it's very amusing that it's

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in this sort of there's

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want with with the the government rolling

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slowly from crisis to crisis

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limp limping on sort of his get

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yeah exactly up eating the limp bizkit

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up awful house and ends

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at it's at all it's were able all they're able to

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do is be like well

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i i i don't think i boring i

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think so i'd act with integrity and honored know

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i think the vets for him to voters one excitement

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they want honor and integrity tomas

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i'm not a regular labour leader i'm some

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but also honorable and like samurai

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there's no way that i can hardly this in the episode

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that all i can think of this is dumb joke pasty

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her frat guy saying and fucking indiana

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university fifteen years ago every some us keep

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jumping in about honor to the

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like that's been fucking going around my head this

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is higher than a full

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, mostly for isis has

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beat out entire thing

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, found out that things for guys used

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to say exactly

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as exactly that i

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wasn't what's going around going my head is

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gladiators is gladiators armor overdubs

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the bag for not

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i'm a size i'm not some assessable spur

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the us commander of the armies of the north

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sudden one of the same x legions and

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loyal servant of the thera breath

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marcus array of aerial code father

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to about some husband's so

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about by on our will have

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more budgets in this life or

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the max it was i think was the

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i'm or as alastair campbell

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podcast they were like what if

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what if the prime minister had to swear

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an oath on the ministerial code

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you think that would improve and middle

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of supply burrow to commit fucking sick

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broker

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i read or yes yeah i mean

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that nice and and a demonstration

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ssssss on my israeli my

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to best said to him and with as i could salvage

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assess assess assess the v

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sort of

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the absolute relentless dysfunction

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of everybody involved the top level

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here also the same thing right where the

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french legislative elections have

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like returned a i believe

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like a minority government from across

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as well right with a with

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a beefed up left yes but also eighty

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more seats for seat fucking or

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nationality and fifty six of sixteen

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one seats were there was a run off between

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the far right the far left and

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it's the and across her stay home

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yet and white it just

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it's it's it's genuinely the

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were rose the hate socialist more the

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fastest thing yet again you know what you can

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do know it's really fun and free to do is

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search from at ian

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done left abstention

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is him and see he had to say about the matter oh

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yeah anyone who was so much from my news imperial

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presidency that's the thing it's it's

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less of a jupiter marion presidency and more

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of a m how fast he and know

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is that jupiter syrian presidency the sense

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that he's going go to jupiter to get stupid

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or another

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, that the guys that uses a indiana

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and the value is dunks of fourth

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great thing about

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recently as about recently of friends have kids are getting to be

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early primary school age and i'm like it's so

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annoying when they get one thing in their head and can't shut fuck

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up new imagine what how awesome must be be

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seven year old to hear go stupid and get

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stupid for first time that must be like

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discovering cold fusion for them absolutely

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but i think the the when i'm driving at here right is

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that there seems to be this manifest

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inability and we've discussed various facets

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of it whether it's a the inability of

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the states to get billed

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back better past or indeed to like

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continue to safeguard anything approaching

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civil rights even though it at the democrats

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sort hold all all three all three

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threw up of their whole that to the three major races

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governments there is an inability to govern

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their there is an inability to for

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make for make government in france there's an

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inability to get to attempt

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to govern here there's it up dot met

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the overton window has been restricted to won't

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work year and that it

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seems like of all of the countries

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that kind of the great had consensus

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neoliberalism kind of just bolted

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into place from like the ninety nineties

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it seems as though they are more or less

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all completely failing to meet

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the challenges of the day

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maybe we can get an op ed from tony

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blair to explain to us how we went wrong

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or rare intervention the sonic those

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milk yeah think saw tweet about that today this morning

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twitter like yeah was you rarely i forgot what's

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yes but know you're writing announcing our the

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idea for the show with lie i do

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think there's point there though that like you think about

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the way in which

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the consensus of sort of this is is

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if anything besides this is

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impossible the being

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the dominant mode of politics in britain

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and in america since the nineties the extent to

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which sort of ninety is narrowing

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of horizons has never really gone away

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like there are other countries that to in

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better in terms of like gil trying

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different politics and here

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in the uk and america if you're like there's

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this idea that well this way

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that wouldn't work anyway so we are going do it and it's

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just it's wild to see how

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many squandered opportunities there has been

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the entered i think to me the

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one that really has been bother me when i think about

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it is when i think back to the the

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over arching dominance

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that

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obama had in his first ministration

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specifically yeah i'm here so i congrats to

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years where he could have done any him

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as saying

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like the idea the right now the third

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that the filibuster won't let segment of the filibuster

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fuck you because done anything and they didn't

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and it's like

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i don't want to harp upon this idea

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that simplest and most vulgar explanation

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is that the truest but a sort of like it

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you will probably be more accurate

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or more or you would probably wind up being corrected

12:20

more instances if you looked at

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why the democrats in america have

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not done things when they were in power because

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if you were to explain it as they want those

12:29

problems to exist like a sword of damocles

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so they can fundraise that might be

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a simplistic explanation but it's certainly

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it's closer to accurate

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my opinion and another then for vulgar

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marxism j s the rest

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it kills me because it just like if you look

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at what's happening here you look at was happening in america

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like right now mean joe biden

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falling off his bike notwithstanding it's definitely

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looking like ah they're going get their

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fucking the much a during

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the the midterm congressional elections

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and you know once that happens

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it doesn't matter how many zero ideas they ran

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on is going to the left's fault because it always is

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cause enough you're gonna have you're sort

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of rare intervention practical it's it's because

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they they because it's it's it's the

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total disconnection

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and get doesn't you can see this this is sort of this

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is something that's occurring to me from just

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seeing the sort of continued failure

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of the gears to mesh together

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in these consensus neoliberalism countries

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to see the failure of the

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failure of the centers project in france

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on it's own terms the and

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good much of have failure was again as you said

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nate designed in sort of fucking the last

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where they could the get beating

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themselves i fucking the left's but also

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finally the to sort

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of to say that yet the iraq

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we're looking at places that let's say

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didn't have the or were that consensus

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neoliberalism was never consensus where was always

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one side of a conflict there there

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had been another thing pushing against it

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in south america for example there

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are let's say transform

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it there transformative elections actually

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have

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yeah any good he is from columbia yeah you

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you have laughing president columbia you have

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i'm you know eleven president july

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you have left and governments in

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mexico obviously a still nicaragua

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honduras which is a rare rare one cassandras

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was has been a right wing struggled for

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a long time

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i am don't crying now yeah exactly

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what as well or don't worry free and dot guatemala

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still run by right with military dictatorship

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and everything but name so i'm but

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or what i was gonna say is is that

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when you look out for example i

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was think about this earlier today yeah i was

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like the new psu and it's also for that columbia

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is good to see that was

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when i thought about like

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much like tony blair's rare interventions when hillary

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clinton's rare intervention to basically try strong

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arm the haitian government into not raising

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their minimum wage more than a dot

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up to more than a dollar an hour because us

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fruit of the womb basically asked

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her for a favor through the clinton global initiative

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those i'm with her with shirts like

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it's like it's like grew at all these people still

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be whether they don't have have nice i want to look

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at their own system or my nothing nothing's

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going to work with nothing but consensus neoliberalism

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is gonna were limited to any of feels like

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huge the third weighs only way to do to as like

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have potentially tried running someone

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who didn't intercede

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to block the raising of

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the mineral wage in the poorest country the western

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hemisphere on a personal

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appeal from an underwear company like

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there's just an element like a degree

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of venality to that always makes me

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laugh in dark with this like men spock

15:28

like viewer being told that the best

15:30

there is an eye hi i have story

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was it spin class in new york

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during this when sixteen election like and

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i think it was after primary but before the general

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election and member

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hillary's campaign headquarters

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was in brooklyn and says the

15:46

spin class and i guess like an entire fucking

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group from hillary for america was there

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like doing a group exercise class and

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they had when they go low

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we go high but it was the we go high

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part was written in hebrew for some reason ads

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the all exercising together and then

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i just over thinking about them at all can think

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of is like when jeff goldblum fucking

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crew of twigs gets wiped out in the life

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aquatic history process

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of hillary poppy seed it sits

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at like all those people with a skirt

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of asserts that you wouldn't understand unless he received

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it was at hebrew doing fucking

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spin classes on classes weekday when they oughta

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be fucking to a painting and

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they lost they lost a layup elected

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it's incredible all of those people were

16:30

the same ones whose jobs with order

16:32

lawn signs in michigan so

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loud are signs of acts any all of them all and

16:38

hebrews hey what's up with and back

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with i was reading some not both is blessing

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is a to talk about that have been some for a sort of

16:44

get into some the stuff i have prepared as well

16:46

which is of course reuters as at your hot

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on off the press of again like or

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of

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hot off of the off of the the of result

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putting his double petro in power in colombia

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has , following headlight against this

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is in world in which the consensus

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neoliberalism that much of what we've been trapped

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in has been absolutely tapping

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returns is just throwing

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the world into a recession the things

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that we did zero interest rates to like prop

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up after the housing crisis should have discredited

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it right that saying well

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reuters has said that the bis break from

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consensus neoliberalism artists neoliberalism sort of break

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this move to different politics in colombia

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this in colombia headlights colombia's first

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leftist leader gustavo petro targets inequality

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investors on edge he

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didn't i

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again if if if you want understand

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cap so read the fucking capitalists

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faces that's now

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yet so you know med so look look

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you need to make sure that nothing

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works because i you know

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otherwise you have aligned get sad to be fat

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i can think of boy is and people who

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have like large financial commitments in colombia

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specifically might quite on edge a lot of the

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time has

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passed since considering

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in a small blaze resident confident but

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, me though i point out to is that colombia's

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vice president is a black colombian woman

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who at one point her life was her life

18:09

like was domestic cleaner and like colombia's

18:12

politics has been for it he call

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it pigment ah chrissy and ah lot of ways

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to this is a lot of the do a lot of serve momentous

18:18

things for the movements

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of people that like i think it completely

18:22

turns the advice of like anything that's not

18:25

for the guy had hard hottest the fringe

18:27

diversity issues that has colored alienate

18:29

white working class like you can't find

18:31

place wanted to jordan peterson for do as

18:33

as as and also every every fucking nerd who works

18:35

for the democratic party looks like there's

18:37

there's this you can't can't think

18:39

of countries that more like politics

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fucking governed on racial lines and latin america

18:44

and here you have polish and winning like i

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think when you look stuff like living standards living

18:48

wages you know what the government does

18:50

what it what can provide those kinds of things like

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when you actually say you're gonna do things to fix people's

18:54

fucking living situation sucks it's amazing

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what you can do and i feel like what ,

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kills me is that we're always told know that's

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that's that's that's us was one of the some eating

19:03

sometimes you possess what does that this i'm sick had

19:05

for like the wall street journal who when trump when they said

19:07

it was of be the fault of boutique sexuality

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is over six over and find fucking

19:11

sexuality a goddamn stores like

19:14

a small store luxury but if they get lucky

19:16

lottery military police etc and it's like

19:18

nah man mean like blake have

19:21

you ever seen the way right wing lad american sucks

19:23

people who aren't white by their standard looks holy

19:25

fuck man like it needed maybe

19:28

it makes america look like fucking nordic

19:30

social democracy and that's and as saying

19:32

something yeah i'm and so i

19:34

look at stuff and i distinctly is the thing

19:36

is that people voting for this because they actually believe

19:39

that they are capable of improving their lives

19:41

and that they will actually do it and it's

19:43

like the democrats was like now we won't

19:45

do that and also it's illegal for you

19:47

to say that wanna do it and then when they

19:49

lose elected the left did this to us

19:52

why

19:52

did you define police we

19:54

have the infirm of the big rare and svensson

19:56

town so that i'm suggesting we put up because

19:59

hillary

20:00

has done another area intervention

20:02

yet what a what tony blair long at all

20:04

the mocking time and basically it's hillary clinton

20:06

said he would totally be as simple losses

20:09

yeah because what we're all sitting around asking

20:11

ourselves was we need advice

20:14

on how to win elections

20:16

from my son with proven

20:18

track record is my window

20:20

and i forgot to as if if if if

20:22

a cigarette i think it's though their bodies

20:24

measure that occurs is really good point like booklet actually

20:26

did when like bill clinton bucked the trend spot

20:28

goblin but he bucked trend of a

20:30

lotta people they have any tell your lap pile

20:34

as he bucks the trend of the southern

20:36

strategy in one as the democratic governor in

20:38

arkansas and then arkansas president twice you

20:40

know in the face of reaganism when was will

20:42

bring for governor and it's absolutely post post reagan

20:45

whereas hillary like yes you center for new

20:47

york but like sheath as senator to say that always

20:49

likes democrats were like once you win the primary was

20:51

his base a coronation you are going to win

20:54

and like and that she lost a way

20:56

to obama despite going full racists

20:58

and ah a me out if you remember this if you guys

21:00

were think it has the time but hillary clinton during

21:02

the two thousand eight primary when obama was cruelly

21:04

wedding people like why is he dropped out she's like

21:06

well bobby kennedy got killed and soon as

21:08

i remember that yeah wow

21:10

like it was you forgot my alibi the

21:12

f b i yeah exactly i

21:15

think with that but what i think that the thing that thing

21:17

want to sort of drive home here with comparison

21:19

case right of these of these election

21:22

that's it i'm remembering things which again

21:24

it's illegal to do apparently unless you're like

21:26

joe one of light and know if you tend that

21:28

i was listened hillary clinton's opinion is she had one

21:30

necessarily i'm trying to say and i find very funny that

21:32

we're byo as your as you're saying that were bases

21:34

people who cannot stop fucking loser like will

21:36

he do that gonna lose very very very quickly boyd

21:38

move on i think like bill clinton and tiny black

21:40

or examples like a slightly earlier stage

21:43

of neoliberalism where they would promise to do

21:45

stuff and then just not really do it whereas

21:47

arrogance is a lie as they dress like oh no

21:49

i'm not going to do anything and i am also that not

21:51

gonna add debt elsa they call themselves

21:53

the they the original island boys so

21:56

but via six feet the thing the thing started

21:58

trying to draw with this comparison and sort an

22:00

active memory is that

22:03

so much of the out limitations

22:05

drawn around politics now in

22:08

western europe and north america are

22:10

fake the are fake limits their

22:12

land their imposed largely by spectacle

22:15

because there is this because there is the

22:17

shadow place of people

22:19

asking hillary clinton what to do there

22:21

is the shadow play of our

22:24

have some say well the investors are going to be

22:26

on edge if you elect the left his presence at restaurants

22:29

that's would movies and window is right that's

22:31

what is originally designed describe that cinema

22:33

but when but was in think that it's it's

22:35

important to remind yourself as well that the overton

22:38

window isn't just this thing and is not

22:40

just a different one in colombia because of it's

22:42

closer to the equator it's a it's a

22:44

product of people in the southern hemisphere

22:47

the within went backwards jags

22:50

i however the policy to in l a x swell

22:52

and different darius that hitless but that what

22:54

it is is is is is this is a product

22:56

of ideology contest station and that's

22:59

where we have lost the ability to

23:01

do that no we didn't lose it where it was

23:03

taken away basically is

23:05

you is you nothing but

23:08

sort of dysfunction in disengagement mom

23:11

said it's my turn on the us that sony

23:13

like like it's just a little bit about

23:15

columbia me like columbia was always touted as example

23:17

of like says that that that the pinnacle of

23:19

why western hemisphere strong presidential by

23:21

camera states fucking suck because like it was

23:23

constantly and sort internecine conflict

23:26

between it's parties like then you have

23:28

yeah you know post war two era

23:30

you have drug war you have a civil war like

23:33

columbia has been governed by right wing tone

23:35

paramilitaries by right wing parties like

23:37

it's never had a lessening it's

23:39

like honduras was one the country like this but

23:41

but columbia i think was a much more violent

23:43

place in terms of the conflict that was taken place within

23:45

west's under was more like staging

23:47

area for other violent conflicts in central america

23:50

this is huge thing and part this is because

23:52

i see there's been a shift

23:56

in the electorate in latin

23:58

america like a lot more the

24:00

like i think that you don't

24:02

have the sort of the rumor

24:04

moneyed landed class the way that you

24:06

do in into the global

24:09

north in the sense that liked if you look

24:11

at chalet if you look at columbia if you look

24:13

at even it mexico like there just isn't

24:15

this bubble of wealth and sort

24:17

of status the weather is in britain the weather in

24:19

america from it as certainly as a fuckin pews

24:21

income inequality wealth inequality like dog iraq

24:24

but like it's not as generational because

24:26

if it's generation with multigenerational because people

24:28

have the money like have from think as from as much hours

24:30

not answer yeah exactly one

24:32

is mexican guy have a german surname anyone

24:35

has ever and also it's like you know it's

24:37

know it's think that's a link explanation rights

24:39

why do we have this sort of

24:41

this entire class where where

24:43

we have a people the generation

24:46

where that generation kind has class

24:48

element

24:49

because so much of the money

24:51

that was plundered from being able to create stable

24:53

middle class and these countries yeah was moved

24:55

here i had used to create permits or i thought was

24:57

really interesting what what exotic had her said recently

25:00

i think we'd last night he basically said for

25:02

people who were worried we're going overthrow capitalism

25:04

don't worry we still need to overthrow feudalism in

25:06

this country first like a

25:09

genuinely like a is this situation

25:11

me i think this is something specifically about

25:13

brazil and member seems comparison but it's

25:15

true of other countries of the only country

25:17

in latin america that doesn't have this enormous wealth

25:19

inequality disparity is costa rica

25:21

the reason for that is because reagan never had kind

25:23

of like masses plantation former

25:25

convict as it's it's super mountainous like that

25:27

it was poor so like oh the cosa

25:30

rica basically that what you described the earth

25:32

aristocracy that's one hundred percent the case

25:34

and sort of like landed families controlling everything

25:36

and alex has been kind of window dressing on that the

25:39

and i think in brazil particular but

25:41

the columbia similar in this regard like the people who are

25:43

in the upper classes people have a cult standard of living

25:45

comparable to someone living west in

25:47

the western part germany or and in north america

25:50

in mecca america canada but people

25:52

in that the lower class people the poorest services

25:54

as have a as poor conditions

25:56

as anywhere in global south put any were like places

25:58

like ah it's absurd after in

26:00

the poorer parts south asia like it's genuinely

26:02

the disparity brazil's like a rich person

26:04

live like be live in fucking berlin and a poor person lives

26:06

like they live in a like here i

26:08

genuinely it's that bad and so the

26:11

religion is about the only word can think of

26:13

to describe it

26:14

and a it's the to to

26:16

see this i mean it's it is to see

26:18

it you know be able

26:20

to be redressed guess just in

26:23

addition to being a a good thing in

26:25

itself it reminds you that the there

26:27

that so long as you can give you can discover

26:30

and channel your oppositional

26:32

isn't the into an actual

26:35

institution is the give you can

26:37

if you can actually do that than it

26:39

is not is not permissible to give

26:41

up it's just that you just have to you

26:44

just have to keep that flame burning somewhere

26:46

and then we'll have an order to say to that like

26:48

a single political party called the labour

26:50

party britain may not be the vehicle for that but it does suggest

26:53

because they've they've crossed

26:54

the left in britain electorally does not mean that like

26:56

all of us have gone away or that like what believe in his

26:58

gone away it's just that like that vehicle

27:01

has been slowed that vehicle

27:03

has been derailed for the time being

27:06

one one one one one one

27:09

, one one one one one

27:11

one one one

27:15

, one

27:17

one one

27:20

one one one one one one

27:22

one one one one

27:24

one one one one one

27:27

one one one one

27:29

one one one one one

27:32

one one one one

27:34

one one one one

27:36

one one one one one one one

27:38

one one one one

27:41

one one one you know

27:43

you do it look at like anti trans bills and

27:45

all the strands panic don't have a like like anti

27:48

basically a homophobe you just full bore

27:50

homeless the homophobia that i recall from

27:52

growing up in indiana basically like everywhere politics

27:54

now but also incidentally very funny

27:56

if you're one of the like assists

27:58

gay dude so that like

28:00

what if we can see to the

28:02

transfer of and that's just everything they want

28:04

yeah well it's not about the allergy be alliance

28:06

one as smart as they thought yeah

28:08

weird how that works but the the point that point was going

28:10

to make though is that like i also see lots of

28:12

news of a strike action

28:15

and unionization drives and things along those lines

28:17

happening in america and places where we were

28:19

told before that this was impossible and

28:21

companies like amazon and starbucks and

28:23

think that like you can see these counter current

28:25

second place i hope that that winds up being

28:27

the the story of this coming decade and not just like

28:29

capital winning then just fucking you know

28:31

floss dancing on us but like

28:34

i'd use also i don't think you can

28:36

be like will see they have it in latin america they've gotten there

28:38

but we will never get the i think we can

28:40

we went to think this as think we actually have i

28:42

set not we will hit we can i say i've

28:44

been i've the way i think that they get there is

28:46

the if you don't have the it

28:49

the opposition to what's going on kind of floating

28:51

around as an opinion little the

28:53

little sort of i'm a little perfect list

28:55

of opinions keeping your head

28:57

it's that were in is that where there was

28:59

an actual in our case very actual

29:01

conflict me that i have to fucking organize

29:04

while said about imposing the thing

29:06

is what we and what we have organizing

29:08

a what we what we have here more than posting

29:10

and hate posting law what

29:12

we have here in addition to like sued

29:14

unionization drives in the states

29:17

we have a a lot a strike wave

29:19

coming in britain as well

29:21

what appears to a strike waved the also even

29:24

there is there are still places

29:26

where that are

29:28

the opposite manichaean isn't

29:30

can take place where that fight

29:33

can be that direct if i had

29:35

the enemy that's like ontologically evil

29:37

so from i introduce you want to landlords

29:40

since i mean i was thinking about this recently

29:42

having i'm not somebody who typically

29:44

goes to demos i have i

29:46

i i have tommy eggs and anxiety problems

29:49

but got a message that they were there are some was there's

29:51

hundred afford some want to roll someone up you know not

29:54

too far from where live i was on train anyway so i gotta

29:56

train and much of that the action in peckham

29:58

and instead the or front

30:01

of the show and or yada was there we just stood

30:03

front of and with and large group of people of most the

30:05

people who are have there for while we're way further

30:07

ahead in crowd of us we were just there were like fuck ya

30:09

you can't you get you could say unless you can manifest

30:12

all of the cops that you would need to arrest all

30:14

three hundred people are here than fuck you

30:16

you're not giving up replicate pc samples

30:18

learns differently gotta make hundreds of

30:20

as you must become leads and nothing about the

30:22

thing about it is is that like is there were lots

30:24

of people who were there because of organ as campaigns

30:26

groups like lose some anti raids groups

30:28

like stop deportations

30:31

your lot of people who live in neighborhood as a gift

30:33

fuck the cops but what we've this guy alone

30:35

and i think that to me the thing

30:38

that was the biggest take away was the extent

30:40

to which it's just people

30:42

being activated because some it matters to

30:44

them the opportunity existing to be there so

30:46

like i'm not an organizer i

30:48

you hired it's door knocks see a probably

30:50

the wrong guy to do it with my us my beloved

30:52

accent here in america but art resident

30:54

but you can still for jeremy corbyn

30:56

just as much gonna have a proper that was me

30:58

on person into the nineteenth but i'm but

31:01

i using a but if the if the opportunity

31:04

exists if the opportunity involves and

31:06

exists and people feel so that there's a certain

31:08

degree love

31:09

they have confidence that the people that their concerns

31:11

would be addressing that people aren't pulling their leg at

31:13

not like owen smith bullshit you what

31:15

i mean like that genuinely

31:17

can kind of spark things of people and

31:20

most you that i saw that crowd like what is

31:22

locals are to people from around the neighbourhood like people

31:24

live that in that complex people from

31:26

nearby dollars and elsewhere in in in southern

31:28

burrow angela people who just

31:31

as as well as an activist group like just

31:33

didn't wanna fucking see cops with you

31:35

what i mean that he was the cause ruined some guy's life

31:37

or some bullshit and like

31:39

that was how to be suspicious simple flick it

31:41

was just it was such a small felix but

31:44

spa cared that do it and i guess to me it's like

31:46

it's very easy get black hills give us house

31:48

of things seem institutionally in america

31:50

and in britain but like that doesn't mean

31:52

that will is god that doesn't mean that desires gonna

31:54

the that critical mass he was gone it's just that you

31:57

will have to go against

31:59

the

32:00

our of a fucking insane

32:02

press who basically it move if i'm not mistaken

32:04

were on a tirade that the

32:06

older is going to therapy means they turned woke

32:08

up we're , we're gonna keep that in

32:10

or back pocket thou because i do have that

32:12

yeah know what what one thing that occurs to

32:14

me right as the as with the

32:16

as with rwanda's was cancelled

32:18

of the last minute mercilessly

32:21

no one thing ruining lot

32:23

people's holiday affect

32:25

our is a day i'll add lie the lie

32:28

weeded out to one family who were hoping

32:30

for the tip of lifetime to rwanda were

32:32

furious deserved up all

32:34

the coupons from all sun newspaper

32:36

the thing that actually still to the me and with the

32:39

last minute legal challenge to the legal

32:41

challenge courses human rights but there are

32:43

also people lying and road yeah

32:45

of vans and i still like

32:48

all of those things happening at once

32:51

is something that is gonna be a recurring

32:53

feature in said i'm i'm in a drop the lincoln the show

32:55

notes for the fundraising

32:57

for their legal fees because nine people were arrested

32:59

for that like when like was i was in peckham know and

33:01

gotta rest the cops as gave up them they more less

33:04

like some of them it even though they they came in and ruff

33:06

people up and kicked in need people and post woman the

33:08

face afterwards when realize how fucked

33:10

they were they actually like started laughing at taunts

33:12

and like the jokes like they realize how absurd the situation

33:14

they were in was to our whereas in oxford

33:17

like people got fuckin arrested and like are

33:19

being charged with bullshit for standing in front of the line

33:21

done for the van select that's it is is

33:23

that that as know point would make is that like i

33:26

think that eat one of the concerns

33:28

is it i'll offer a lot of people like if it's not

33:30

critical mass people they

33:32

can rounded up in arrested will be and

33:34

so like i kind of wanna help raise awareness

33:36

of that that like there are folks who are now facing

33:38

legal charges rubbing help stop that

33:41

it is it's diversity of tactics know

33:43

it's it's the classic lennon shit you

33:45

do illegal stasi the legal stuff so

33:47

it's he has the most respectable

33:49

from with activism you can have which is going cap

33:51

in hand to courts and saying this

33:53

, this did not like a fucking

33:55

fit with the expressed ah

33:58

purpose of the law know like lesser

34:00

law and also have lying in road that you

34:02

also have what eleanor and saw issues

34:04

are described as a cross punk first

34:06

stayed at demo were in between

34:08

taught in the cops they talked to another very very

34:11

openly and have of the about how hard they gonna suck each

34:13

other later that day and as you know what's

34:15

that i cannot describe a

34:17

thing i respect more than that smokes looking

34:19

like straight out of fucking extras from a frank

34:21

a pretense a movie in two thousand who are

34:24

you such as ready as soon as they could find

34:26

some put his to flock but also in and will only lady

34:28

in hockey clapping by sort ice and perfect

34:30

talking the cops

34:32

it was it was a beautiful thing say that of

34:34

ads on the other one day she right

34:36

you know it's this is this has been

34:38

subsumed into

34:40

them into something that i've

34:42

seen at least several british commentators

34:45

referred to as wedge week and

34:47

, where the tories do our dinner

34:49

i we got out of amusement every

34:51

i smell as sweet as were going put

34:53

old all of this real suffering into the hidden

34:55

that makes politics seem like sports sports

34:58

yes i like the big block of cheese in west

35:01

wing's everybody comes in has a

35:03

real a human social

35:05

issue we figure it out the sort of

35:07

like a interesting bartlett way

35:09

interesting then everything's over

35:11

and problem is pretty pretty but cells

35:13

comments about the chr judgment

35:15

why like you're drill less

35:17

he was like not only do i disagree

35:19

with his judgment by think and suggesting that

35:21

rwanda is not safe country to send people

35:24

to it isn't it's own way racists

35:26

new inside like looking back the crowd

35:28

vs amazon that was the one thing

35:30

is that like a between them between

35:32

all of these actions like i

35:34

don't remember have i

35:37

, secretary seizing and coping

35:39

this much in long one like all

35:41

and also in in the the the perfect the

35:43

perfect sort of horseshoe of this being professional

35:45

crying in my beer down the authenticity pubs

35:48

paul embry fucking was crying about

35:50

how like actually as racist to suggest that rwanda

35:52

yeah it also reflects what what real

35:54

working class communities don't have a tradition

35:56

of resisting the police make no inquiries

35:58

into any of that

36:00

the don't don't take a like the thing is

36:02

it's important to never take any of these people

36:04

at their word obviously because

36:06

what their their whole thing

36:08

there's just get his pay teachers are

36:10

creatures of this spectacle where

36:12

they know that they they know that their role

36:14

in pantomime there's to yeah

36:17

yeah and boo and to see any and

36:19

again to see same i'm it

36:21

but did that but that driving miss pantomime

36:23

is basically an engine that runs

36:26

on humans suffer

36:27

and i may want to drag you into pantomime

36:29

tooth that's why a cop for laugh when

36:31

you start roasting him when he knows he can't win

36:34

is because it's in the funds are now

36:36

pinata but also say that cost is

36:38

laugh at jokes also as having beaten

36:40

the fuck out people and the absolutely

36:42

would do not harder they thought they could have won like

36:44

so it was things was like yeah it's absurd

36:47

but also there is genuine suffering there

36:49

and yes i will say as as as much a throwback

36:51

com it is it is it does seem like pretty patel response

36:53

and this was i'm not mad i'm actually laughing

36:56

but like i firmly believe

36:58

that had had you done when i think the is

37:00

going be said here where they the to take the base

37:02

they're just trying to bait you let them to poor

37:04

people to rwanda like if people had

37:07

tried to enter to intervene be absolute to

37:09

deport people on apple area get still going

37:11

to assume that try any like look at overnight

37:13

producing of all rise i will we the cops and we're going

37:15

to be off we can but it's all still kind of queensberry

37:17

rules like ryokan all know i'm chuckle about

37:20

it in i i think that's what this is this

37:22

is what gets to why i sort of especially

37:24

be concept of wedge week really

37:27

i think up made me quite bit

37:29

angry or inside then sort

37:31

of any other bit of westminster drama

37:33

has because it is is

37:35

it is like like that so much of the

37:37

v westminster way viewing the world is

37:40

a great flattening a sort

37:42

of as of smoothing out into into

37:44

world where you used to be able to pull leavers

37:46

and cause lot more human misery and

37:48

now you can pull way fewer leavers but still

37:51

caused quite bit human misery and

37:53

to see that only in the context

37:55

of the little lights it lights up on your

37:57

console of who's happy and who's matt the

38:00

that the fucking disgusting confidence

38:02

of at like the assumption that none

38:04

of these wedges will ever affects you

38:06

right but it's you can just sit here your quality

38:09

of living is gonna remain exactly the same

38:11

and this goes on outside your window in your totally

38:14

insulated from it is as

38:16

and it's and it's i say that

38:19

all of all of these people the are everyone

38:22

behind wedge week all of politicians

38:24

all of the all of these auditory strategists

38:27

and their little friends in the media all

38:29

of them are going to go and visit oh cyrus

38:32

at the end their lives they're going to ask to cross

38:34

into the field of reads and then oh

38:36

cyrus is going to weigh their heart and are going

38:38

to be devoured by the crocodile yeah they're

38:40

going be on into crocodile there are

38:42

certainly more than a feather and they will

38:44

not be allowed go to heaven yeah that's that's

38:46

true if if you write one of these things about

38:49

a how you know awoke lefty

38:51

lawyers stuffing us from securing our borders

38:53

or whatever i'm at the devours coming

38:55

for your hearts re rally could you could you explain

38:57

what they mean by wage week i think i know

38:59

but like i just for our listeners and also for my

39:01

own clarity i presume they

39:04

mean that they're trying hail mary

39:06

shit that they are at with

39:08

the referring the idea of wedge issue

39:10

course yeah yeah the idea that so it's

39:12

the i'm it's way wedge week

39:14

is the plan which is to plan unilaterally

39:16

blake the break the northern ireland protocol to

39:19

send the deport deportation flight rwanda

39:21

ought to have the i'm so how to

39:23

sort of go to war against the union the

39:25

thing that that the to thirty percent

39:28

of of british people the who

39:30

have been condition to

39:32

shoot their own grandmother of the telegraph said

39:34

so those people this

39:36

is just if the idea is just red meat

39:38

for all of them so basically we're going to activate

39:40

the tory had bangers by doing bsc

39:43

thatcherism very quickly

39:45

yet it anytime anyone gets mad at us

39:47

boris johnson calls as alinsky yeah

39:51

, you can't you can't saw me i'm a dancing

39:53

i'm talking with the like he had be mad me and

39:57

so it it's but it's think it's the that

39:59

i just like this is this of the

40:01

me everything we've been talking about last forty minute all

40:03

sort of pies intimately together

40:06

right which is the experience of

40:08

politics as nothing but this

40:10

slot spectacle which

40:12

is sort of what we have been condemned

40:14

to in in western europe and north america

40:18

means that these the

40:20

actual be actual of things

40:22

that you are doing the the

40:24

deportation of some of the most don't your world's

40:27

most vulnerable people who can lay him for

40:29

what it's worth legally be here who have legal

40:31

claim to asylum the

40:33

rwanda they get in or intend

40:35

to say well this is humanitarians you can't

40:37

get mad at us because we're trying to start the people smugglers

40:39

and having a total inability

40:41

to have lies or in unwillingness metabolism

40:44

that to information that that is all a kind

40:46

of into deeply interconnected

40:48

with that flatness is the ability to do it me

40:50

ability to sell it and the ability to say that

40:52

anyone who says otherwise is being racist

40:55

because fundamentally it treats

40:57

these things is pretty unimportant and

40:59

what's more important is that i get my fancy job

41:01

for life or that i'm a newspaper

41:03

editor and that i make sure that i'm invited to the garden

41:05

parties and that it's all just this

41:08

it is it's i tip of the image that so keep

41:10

replaying in my head is the

41:13

it is that of a a

41:16

group of group of of friends who are meeting

41:19

anyhow and who are always going to what does this

41:21

houses for social events but the tires

41:23

on their cars are made of people only

41:26

so you're saying the a hot air balloon

41:28

shouldn't look like a black person

41:30

oh okay over ,

41:32

real equal opportunities of you may

41:34

arise and and see that i've this is

41:36

a this is sort of where have you contrast

41:39

the sort of v slackness of everything

41:41

is impossible so we're just going

41:43

to kind of have fun with have

41:45

fun per and and play the role

41:48

of politics will still doing actual

41:50

politics it's just all that can

41:52

happen is the things that cause

41:54

the dopa mean spike it

41:56

and it but nothing that ten hold

41:59

any kind of

42:00

the material transformation in the way

42:02

that living have live in illinois or

42:04

we can do the unthinkable i

42:06

also think that something that's interesting to me

42:08

as extent to which there's this incredible

42:10

timidity on part of the labour party under

42:12

his current leadership

42:14

by which mean that they are unwilling

42:16

even when it's you can look at polling

42:18

of everyone decides hardcore tory

42:21

voters who will never virgo

42:23

for you everyone else in polling

42:25

has reacted to the rwanda

42:27

deportation policy in negatively like

42:30

to large degree like ah

42:32

in most cases majorities in some cases throughout

42:34

his arm but like it's

42:37

very unpopular aside from with twenty

42:39

nineteen tory voters who you know we know are

42:41

you know the sort of fucking an

42:43

iron bloodless heart of particles

42:46

country so like you have activated

42:48

people vote to space is pretty low this country turn

42:50

us below this country if you are going electrodes and

42:52

routes you know there is and are you to

42:54

me that this part policy is unpopular

42:56

and one the reasons why some popular is because it's

42:58

so fundamentally on it's face

43:00

immoral is so obviously

43:02

wrong it's so obviously cruel for

43:04

no reason at all and think

43:06

the thing i think that committee is that labour party refuses

43:09

to ever address that there could be such

43:11

a thing is a moral dimension in politics

43:13

now they feel it feels to me like they've

43:16

gotten briefing advice from the dumbest mother

43:18

fucker on the planet basically said

43:20

like don't ever talk about stuff and moral dimensions

43:22

because that's woke something like you know the rebels

43:25

like deception the the only time

43:27

the zoc about morality is boris johnson

43:29

going to posses they should have gone

43:31

to that's dishonorable are you not

43:33

oil real i'll as much as i met this man

43:35

is this this isn't this isn't dishonorable

43:38

going to a party a dishonorable but nothing

43:40

they was it wasn't dishonorable he wasn't that was immoral

43:42

they never see didn't taught in my opinion they didn't

43:44

talk about immoral trump's they talked about terms

43:46

of that's not right broke

43:49

the rules like it was this fucking

43:51

hall monitor shit about less will the rules

43:53

the rules and that's how they set their own fucking traps

43:55

because they were breaking rules as as

43:57

anybody else was and think we're you

44:00

happened some of incredibly unfair and uneven

44:02

application to be of lockdown rules for example

44:04

people getting hundred two hundred five hundred pounds fine

44:06

for smoking cigarette outside can shit like some

44:08

lessons grazie stories that came out of be

44:10

has been fucking victimize for no reason

44:13

and

44:14

in what's are at work in consistently

44:17

apply the rule was across the country like

44:19

you would have some traction but but to basically

44:21

like what he broke the rules and that's the problems

44:23

like

44:24

who did you guys in you knew that you knew it was stupid

44:26

and you did it anyway elect whoever is briefly steeples a

44:28

fucking idiots and as regards rwanda

44:30

some these other the v or parker posey

44:32

total failure during the cost of living i

44:34

think this is it really drives nuts is that like they

44:37

could make headway they could a say

44:39

it's wrong and be say here's what we got we the thing

44:41

we will do to stop it and they refused

44:43

and that's the that isis is is well

44:45

i'm not associate that's gonna like this one weird

44:47

trick will fix the fucked up british media some i

44:49

still think that you can try you can

44:51

try to frame things that were people who believe

44:53

in you and there it seems like their argument like you

44:55

said this before the show rally

44:57

seems like they're end stage plan

44:59

is to make it so fucking

45:02

indistinguishable from anything else in

45:04

hopes it drives down voter

45:07

turnout so low that they can win the

45:09

election because two people vote labour in one person

45:11

vote tory like , it well

45:13

think the like both both parties in this country

45:15

so say populism because they both

45:17

sides of british public completely fucking insane

45:20

and i are talking to front of the sophie roy

45:22

about this the other night about how interesting figure

45:24

piers morgan is because he likes

45:27

weirdly popular but as he sought looking into

45:29

various views piers morgan as express

45:31

that all over the place he's like

45:33

dot he's got like some really react me right

45:35

wing views he doesn't weirdly leftwing

45:37

v sprinkled in math see like

45:39

piers morgan is the most populous

45:41

guy in britain and everyone says this by

45:44

baby with i honestly if someone ran for

45:46

of for him like for government on platform

45:48

of save the nhs hang the p those

45:50

they'd be prime minister for twenty five the his adding

45:53

that require an hour or so think countries

45:55

like the of our i do want to move

45:57

on from this on sec but think that the thing to

45:59

remember that because

46:01

his think this is a symptom in many ways

46:03

of our centralization it's something has happened in american

46:05

television over the last several years

46:07

the of us are several decades rather but

46:09

that's been sort so based in

46:11

to just the weights britain the geography

46:14

the rocks in dirt of this country

46:16

is the extreme centralization

46:18

of everything enlightened earth

46:21

yeah think that you can be and the fact

46:23

is in in the fact is that most

46:25

people's experience of living in britain is

46:27

filtered through some what

46:29

what someone in london thinks that they should

46:31

be thinking out there yorkshire into

46:33

there is this

46:34

there is this boomerang effect

46:36

that i think amplifies the madness

46:39

expert but when we say it you should thinking

46:41

about yorkshire yeah atlanta we were doing

46:43

we were they had that's different as difference not top down

46:45

this is imperfect a common sense because so

46:47

many of us aren't actually from britain that is yours

46:49

is decentralized on caused the design

46:51

kira name is on the block i hate speech necklace

46:53

and will take the gloves decentralized out of

46:55

london because of me he i'm taking

46:57

the average out of the out of london

46:59

i wanted wanted speak a little more about see centralization

47:02

though because if you if we think about you know well

47:04

what does seem what doesn't government do right

47:06

we've established so much of and

47:08

again just that's thrown so much into

47:11

in

47:11

him into great relief by sort of seeing

47:13

of events of a recent weeks

47:16

on fourth of but the

47:18

ads and then seeing what can and can't do

47:20

and then see also then other with way with

47:22

can have material impacts on the world

47:25

is of course with you give a comically

47:27

small amounts of money to a tory minister

47:29

and emphasize that they

47:31

owe you zero your zero your their lives

47:33

that if you give tory minister fifteen

47:36

pounds we take bullet for you access to

47:38

tiny room with very small furniture

47:40

and and designed for very small people from basically

47:42

this is this a all things that been revealed recently

47:45

but i saw this in an

47:47

investment week recently

47:49

is that the uae for wedge we've

47:52

the uk treasury

47:53

wants to like give

47:55

the bank of england authority to address

47:58

collapsed stable coins say register

48:00

the here

48:00

oh god i'm going

48:03

, decentralized currency be registered

48:05

in one country doesn't make any so

48:08

basically they're like look they're what

48:10

it

48:11

what if we can would have

48:13

the bank of england to take responsibility to

48:15

manage the orderly collapse of us

48:17

dying stable coins like how they did that

48:19

with banks in two thousand eight lads by

48:21

the business if there is one country it's

48:23

extremely good at man is decline

48:26

it is the united kingdom so i guess where world

48:28

beating in that regard the

48:30

bakery said look the failure of assists of a

48:33

they they they publish that this paper the treasure

48:35

this app failure of assist other systemically

48:37

important stable point suppose wide range

48:39

of financial stability as well as consumer protection

48:42

impact it means you course we should

48:44

a backstop it but here's here's the thing right like

48:46

i realize that the people been taken for i finish and

48:48

as sucks people got know they they bet the house in

48:50

last because like you know people buy

48:52

into scams of time there are human

48:54

stories this that very sad knife i've raised

48:56

that point on this show before that like

48:58

don't lose so the fact that there is a lot of suffering involved

49:00

but when it comes to the actual like fundamentals

49:03

keeping these coins solvent it's

49:06

nerds shit it's fucking nerd see

49:08

an abundant marks or a

49:10

bunch of fucking scammers like it's not

49:12

my problem leno willed none

49:14

because of if the bank of

49:16

england decides that well we

49:18

are now responsible for the orderly unwinding

49:20

of of the stable coin guess who's problem

49:22

at it a sort joy is the is it like that's why

49:24

i'm saying should not do this because for now

49:26

it just exists on some losers computers

49:29

but if it becomes real than it's my problem

49:31

here's the thing though that that this

49:33

is this does one way looking at it

49:36

but have you considered that christopher

49:38

har born who's a big clipped lobbyist

49:40

gave five hundred thousand pounds to the conservatives

49:43

are before they said that the database assume

49:45

i would see play

49:47

like i'd in political terms

49:49

that seems like it's nothing

49:51

jessica where it like

49:53

it and into thing is already right we

49:55

are living in one tiny

49:58

zaki chair and

50:00

this we have agreed to dynamite

50:02

or own economy the a buying

50:04

matt hancock and nine days and selling

50:06

and has a something nice about i mean like might

50:08

milo milo made the joke with me another lawyer

50:10

that if you if you break up with your partner

50:13

than you encounter them down the road they've gotten lot

50:15

hard hotter than it's same sensation is

50:17

the guy who had laptop full of thousand bitcoins

50:19

that he threw away it's in dumpster somewhere and

50:21

it's like but thousand bitcoin at peak would a

50:23

lot more money than what the sky was

50:25

being given my hundred percent that is the tories

50:28

this point they're not even getting bribed the getting

50:30

nonce to the gang ball on the zone or

50:33

or , want to go to the zoo as

50:35

out there like this except

50:37

for singer crypto guy in headlock

50:39

and then you know walking into the police

50:41

station but making observe the minutes silent

50:43

answer minutes have answer better respect right the

50:47

so you're going on a date with the conservative

50:49

party but you're actually on a date with

50:51

me and big day of can

50:54

walk into without is

50:56

a thing rights v rights v

50:58

the crypto crash right

51:01

essentially if you replace florida

51:04

real estate the bitcoin

51:06

it has been pretty much identical to

51:08

the two thousand eight thousand seven financial crisis

51:10

the

51:11

much as what happened is the entire

51:13

decentralized violence ecosystem basically

51:16

like a series of the

51:18

banks that could do interbank lending

51:20

is he various kinds like a good

51:22

stable coins of you that that had reserves

51:24

or didn't and then

51:26

a bunch of insurers that would ensure the various

51:29

like interbank transactions of these people

51:31

against losses what they did was they bill

51:33

pretty much from first prints from almost

51:35

first the the

51:37

just created organically pretty

51:40

much a one for one copy of

51:42

the financial system actually

51:44

the only difference was the it's tendrils

51:46

really didn't touch the real economy that

51:48

much they started to right

51:51

where we talked about before the show were like lots

51:53

of were the large

51:55

pension funds or in arcade at

51:57

will invest in in crypto or like

52:00

national banks will one a backstop a stable

52:02

coin projects after that the

52:04

whole thing is falling apart yeah mean got

52:06

i got little pop a better a

52:08

push notification from one of the

52:11

online banks that i use when i initially came to this

52:13

country and had to like registers a freelancer

52:15

and don't really use anymore but got my count open just

52:17

in case and they were like use our

52:19

app now to invest crypto and i was like yesterday

52:22

yeah don't think most of my now now

52:25

the moment you want to tell the

52:27

me ma'am like you're basically like guys

52:29

got a great deal of bear stearns in october

52:31

two thousand and eight it's like getting

52:33

around getting around scheme after

52:35

everyone has already declassify spiking

52:37

bear stearns physical stock certificates

52:39

two thousand and yeah exactly like hey either

52:42

the what good on this ponzi scheme is by a guy

52:44

whose last name is in my it is i

52:46

use gonna buy you gotta buy these certificates from

52:48

guy his last name is ponzi he's in jail

52:50

right now justify i go but

52:52

but the thing is right we created this system

52:54

of interbank lending entrance and like

52:57

it's at it and insurance and this rights that

52:59

all existed and all of these token

53:01

booth back and forth and providing liquidity and all sorts

53:03

in all sorts but really most of what

53:05

was to do they didn't invest

53:07

in bitcoin which wouldn't say we've got

53:09

some of so we have more collateral so we can

53:11

print more of our things comes pumping more

53:14

units into the system of interbank

53:16

lending then then

53:18

the value of bitcoin kept going up because bitcoin

53:20

is like the real estate this case the

53:22

just you know it no one can accidentally live

53:25

in it it's not a useful at all and

53:28

and then what happened was simpli

53:30

as that the rates go up little bit and

53:33

then all of a sudden some people start wanting

53:35

their money back and then once one

53:37

person too many as for their money back than all

53:39

of sudden everyone's all calling

53:41

in all their loans all at once and when

53:43

the value of the asset the of bitcoin

53:45

specifically goes down far enough just like

53:47

that when value florida real estate went down

53:49

far enough that's the music stopping

53:51

and that all of those loan coming due at

53:54

one and we end it's so strange

53:56

to see like the already big crypto

53:58

hedge funds that are completely falling apart like

54:00

three arrows capital right it at

54:02

the singapore based one that were that coined

54:04

the phrase super cycle because it's

54:06

have started by guy called out as you i

54:09

was really confused for second there but okay

54:11

the and then i came close

54:13

their burton butler it but that's that's

54:15

quite bit let's little bit like the bear stearns

54:18

collapse and then we enter the

54:20

collapse of the exchanges is if it is

54:22

is or a similar as well and the collapse the price bitcoin

54:24

is as goes down right the

54:27

valley the as it goes down value

54:29

they all of sudden if you got loans against

54:31

that you need post more collateral and so

54:33

all of the loans have all falling apart all

54:35

once have i find so amusing is we

54:37

went in a buried of about five years

54:40

or so the inventing

54:42

central banking to having

54:44

the two thousand and eight crisis

54:46

first as far as second this

54:48

fast but much quicker i

54:50

really really do enjoy nice

54:52

game of jenga but i don't wanna live in an

54:54

entire civilization jenga blocks

54:56

and it does feel that way sometimes that like

54:59

i just i would love to own a home that live

55:01

in ah way way way beyond jenga blocks

55:03

this is fully cup lungs thera little rods

55:05

were little balls balanced on the road is

55:07

one rotting where are thou yeah but

55:09

that's the us to figure out what i wonder

55:11

right is how much

55:14

for it to actual productive

55:17

how much productivity how much a p

55:19

m how much people's lives were saved

55:21

by the fact that this didn't last

55:23

another six months and wasn't

55:25

able to warm it's way further into the real

55:28

economy

55:29

what if what if this last another six months

55:31

what if the bank of england said will

55:33

handle the under the of the unwinding

55:35

of terror luna at how much worse

55:38

could it have been it is good for

55:40

this grenade oneself before we are able

55:42

throw ourselves on to it assign

55:45

yeah i it's as it's it's like thank

55:47

god thank god for the crypto crass because

55:50

it could have been the or at least

55:52

presumably could have been so

55:54

much worse because there

55:57

in in the all right now in

55:59

in the u s one one

56:01

one one one one one

56:03

one one one one one

56:06

one one one one one

56:08

one one one the uk

56:11

is just desperate to do it they can i think it goes

56:13

back to i think a lot of it

56:15

goes back to that slot because

56:17

when there's nothing else is

56:19

possible by the didn't have

56:21

the only thing that does anything which is

56:23

people doing things together by

56:25

the use of you by the direction of

56:27

their labor which is directed by politics the

56:31

only thing you can do is hope that

56:33

helpful wizard will com and just

56:35

kind of make everything better without you having

56:37

to do anything mr hancock why you wearing

56:39

that wizard hat and hr rarely can

56:41

i ask you a question is the the the or the oracle

56:43

the man who understands money yes do

56:46

you think that the central banks and

56:48

general and specifically in britain

56:50

you think that they want get in on this because

56:53

they think number one that they think you

56:55

could they could actually levers it for profit

56:57

they believe in it and do you think that

57:00

they do it because there's sense of sort

57:02

of the eating to keep up with the joneses

57:04

with every other fucking moron it just becomes like snowball

57:07

effect the you think that they do

57:09

because they know it's gonna fucking implode this

57:11

an excuse to austerity like

57:13

why do i did the mentality of people

57:15

who like have entire departments about fucking

57:17

risk management why do they offer

57:19

this stupid shit like it's

57:21

just seems as though is if anyone anyone

57:23

who knows anything about anything at all me

57:25

comic book is bliss but this doesn't have an actual

57:28

sparking use it's like stocks for

57:30

companies that don't exist stance

57:32

exists that to never exist purely

57:34

for the source going up with was nothing it's

57:36

fucking icon it's a

57:39

year and guy has way to pass swarthy

57:41

so much more than that i that i that

57:43

with her

57:44

the answer your question or it's not central

57:47

banks that love it central banks are very

57:49

are generally pretty skeptical of

57:51

the more usually a

57:53

it's that

57:54

for the treasury loves it okay

57:56

because to the to because to to

57:58

got to to sort of

58:00

three politicians what crypto represents is

58:02

way to materially in increase

58:04

the freedom and well being of

58:06

the people who they are supposed to dole out for

58:09

human well being to right without

58:11

them having to do anything it's like manna from

58:13

heaven to through still to me the only argument

58:15

could possibly see is typically like well we

58:17

know it's kind of they some bullshit that as long as the

58:19

musical chairs fucking moving up smoky buy

58:21

into the hype that that much more revenue we make

58:23

and capital gains taxes because people are up against

58:25

the pants other than that i cannot

58:27

see if you were because we'd like to instagram

58:29

store tories law these people are fundamentally

58:32

stupid like i just like this sounds

58:34

good disease fucking magic beans

58:36

like mississippi recipes could be a

58:38

been you could have a single

58:40

be it's this might sprout if you're lucky

58:42

if probably just a fucking navy been you might have

58:44

a speedo one one millionth of soup

58:47

when it fucking sprouts with that's more than

58:49

crypto but i what i'm hearing is as

58:51

these beans are magic night i've

58:53

i've never seen your relaxation vein

58:55

before ivanovic on

58:57

miliband on miliband reader the answer to

58:59

this is partly that the reason

59:01

that you're sitting here are at this

59:03

table and they're sitting in treasury

59:06

is that they believe the fundamental

59:08

theory

59:09

say crypto in bitcoin which is that

59:12

if only we get enough transactions

59:14

happening right to that's the prop member the promise

59:16

web three look and

59:19

oh you're engaging a lot transactions

59:21

when you go see browse the internet right twitter

59:23

is taking your personal information and you're getting to you

59:25

know that post what you had for lunch

59:27

the the thing we

59:29

want to make those transactions

59:32

much more front and center and much more obvious

59:34

because you're going have out any crypto

59:36

based world leaders three world

59:38

whatever or or whatever other aeration

59:40

of the crypto promise it was you're going to have

59:42

materially more freedom because

59:44

all the transactions you enter into

59:46

with other people are going be denominated in

59:48

kind of money so you can value

59:51

how much gonna pay to post your lunch how

59:54

much you're going to pay to post your lunch at peak time for

59:56

example and then the idea the and

59:58

this yet i think they have to really believe this

1:00:00

to get into that situation right that

1:00:02

they can say we're going to maximize

1:00:05

everybody's well being because everyone

1:00:07

will have agreed to to

1:00:09

extreme some kind of as a

1:00:12

medium of of of value right

1:00:14

in order to do everything that they're

1:00:16

doing there will be anything outside that

1:00:18

world

1:00:19

that into them that is a

1:00:21

state that it's like a freeway

1:00:24

the materially increase freedom and also

1:00:26

to decrease the role of institute

1:00:29

i think that a lot of the austerity freaks

1:00:32

love crypto because it says

1:00:34

we can finally get rid of everything

1:00:36

but the costs because all

1:00:38

of the other things won't have be administered by people

1:00:40

were just going to have the code and then you

1:00:43

can vote to change code base and how much money you

1:00:45

have an i simply after receiving

1:00:47

billions of dollars of what feels like the

1:00:49

world's most manic timeshare

1:00:51

pits simply can only respond

1:00:53

this by saying i think be doing that

1:00:56

like i cannot imagine

1:00:58

that imagine am the only person only planet earth he feels

1:01:00

that way for it so investors on edge

1:01:03

also trying some things that colombian investors

1:01:05

that i'm i'm not not not my thing

1:01:08

is right it's that there over

1:01:10

there was this mad dash to integrate

1:01:12

this into the state for couple of

1:01:14

reasons yeah partly the reason is i explained

1:01:17

that lot of the treasury people genuinely believe

1:01:19

that and the art the one

1:01:21

the other reasons as well is that

1:01:23

the last big sort of wave

1:01:26

or what felt like the last big wave tech

1:01:28

innovation suits against came out of the central

1:01:30

bank basic human rights that

1:01:32

last that that thing that that

1:01:34

were the appearance of say being

1:01:36

a consumer was visibly changed the

1:01:38

government has governments have been wrangling

1:01:40

with that for the last basically

1:01:43

twelve years and they've never really been able

1:01:45

try to capture what seemed to be the lightning

1:01:47

in the bottle that like uber and netflix

1:01:50

were able to capture right because

1:01:52

even now you know the m i t i believe

1:01:54

most recent version of this what it

1:01:56

was claimed that the nhs should

1:01:58

learn lessons from netflix

1:02:00

which i guess means they need to make spence

1:02:02

the confidential yeah that's what

1:02:04

i presume they mean by that one

1:02:06

that five , waiting

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list my golden i'm surgery u

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c l a h hospital pantomimes

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spencer confidential christmas

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why sorry we can't give you the

1:02:17

pussy but we can give you mark wahlberg

1:02:20

we can get chrissy teigen is here to consult

1:02:22

i was just trying to fucking transition i came

1:02:25

out of the hospital hospital

1:02:27

mean the mark wahlberg his ass know i'm

1:02:29

walking upstairs puck [unk] roulette

1:02:32

i really [unk] roulette want to see this netflix

1:02:34

by opening about bob mark wahlberg

1:02:36

cat or yeah oh

1:02:39

thanks , learn on the other even know

1:02:41

what what told the sexual

1:02:44

proclivities i'm not going

1:02:46

spend any more time on it isn't the gods

1:02:49

three people have been doing the bases by crocodiles

1:02:51

north queensland so this north queensland is what it

1:02:53

was such a download oh yeah

1:02:57

he's taken his blood go sajid javid

1:02:59

says the nhs is quote like blockbuster

1:03:01

in the age of netflix

1:03:04

what means is why catholics in the age

1:03:06

of never but what that actually

1:03:09

means right that

1:03:10

they're there it feels as though

1:03:12

there have been these massive changes

1:03:14

in how most people live their lives that

1:03:17

the state because of yeah i get

1:03:19

lot of reasons we discuss chronic underinvestment

1:03:21

it also just not no one in charge

1:03:23

really has good theory what the state should really

1:03:25

do the has been sort

1:03:27

of has felt unable to keep up if

1:03:29

will so whereas

1:03:32

whereas the spent from like gonna two thousand

1:03:34

and ten two thousand and

1:03:36

nineteen sort of humming and hiring

1:03:38

about how they're going to incorporate the insights

1:03:40

of cooper into like a

1:03:42

dwp or whatever the

1:03:45

crypto offers a offers them think

1:03:48

the chance to alberta government

1:03:50

much more directly involved and

1:03:52

to try to and to try to get

1:03:55

it's ready to try to get ahead of it but

1:03:57

the difference is is that no

1:04:00

i didn't the last version of the economy it did

1:04:02

the form of function now that

1:04:04

function was in many cases very bad

1:04:06

that function was in many cases to do

1:04:08

things like depressed wages strip rights

1:04:11

and so on and so on but they told me

1:04:13

whether or not you agree with it it did act

1:04:15

on the world in meaningful way and

1:04:17

deliver them vehicles is exactly

1:04:20

and the difference is is that what they're

1:04:22

trying to jump in front of and claim

1:04:32

the say oh this is the next wave of that

1:04:34

so they basically they

1:04:36

tried this and will we can get in on this time really

1:04:39

have you ever heard of game called drug course

1:04:42

i not alice have you heard of it

1:04:44

rings a bell the my lawyer me yeah

1:04:46

and impervious pleasant calculate yeah drug

1:04:48

wars as a gay attacks game you could play on the t i

1:04:50

eighty three calculator it somehow a graphing

1:04:53

calculator it it's it's been ported

1:04:55

to some sweaty on whole amount his plight but

1:04:57

for artists ha ha ha drug

1:05:00

wars posits a deranged

1:05:02

sort of fantasy version of new york city

1:05:04

which are you can take

1:05:06

the subway between that multiple boroughs

1:05:08

of york city which are the bronx

1:05:11

central park and hatton ghetto

1:05:14

brooklyn and queens i didn't realize

1:05:16

that ghetto a bureau

1:05:18

york city and the people live

1:05:20

in central park exactly mean you can

1:05:22

bought you can buy to even drugs the squirrels

1:05:24

in every in every a in every borough

1:05:26

a unofficial and otherwise you can

1:05:28

buy drugs or sell or different prices and you

1:05:30

can acquire them and their travels their boroughs

1:05:32

where prices maybe up or down depending on the situation

1:05:35

things like for example the pigs are selling

1:05:37

cheap speed is one of them for example you can buy

1:05:39

speed from the cops or you can turn around

1:05:41

and then sell really fast really somewhere else

1:05:43

similarly with cocaine heroin crack

1:05:46

marijuana etc however have

1:05:48

gotten it stop you does a random chance to suck

1:05:50

cause might stop you in your feet fight them with a gun

1:05:52

if you have one or you can run you get arrested use

1:05:54

all your drugs your money surface zero and

1:05:57

i feel as though that is

1:06:00

we use case i can think of because

1:06:02

drug wars posits a problem which

1:06:04

is if you're running around selling drugs and person

1:06:07

outside stop you might lose all your money whereas

1:06:09

if you can

1:06:10

anonymously sell drugs on dark web using crypto

1:06:13

and do small transactions cause i can't imagine

1:06:15

you want to risk shipping a kilogram

1:06:17

of cocaine through the post you know anonymously

1:06:19

if that'd make you very nervous to go up against

1:06:21

the federal law enforcement agency with the ninety

1:06:23

nine percent conviction rate exactly you don't

1:06:25

want do that but small small drug shipments

1:06:28

that makes sense that's the only use

1:06:30

case i can think of or crypto where i'm like i understand

1:06:33

why people use it anonymous currency

1:06:35

anonymous transactions

1:06:37

know cryptography to scramble your addresses

1:06:40

that makes sense the rest this it

1:06:42

genuinely feels like everyone

1:06:44

thinks theory and on a joke and no

1:06:46

one knows what the actual joke is what

1:06:48

the actual joke is that all

1:06:50

of the people who all

1:06:52

of the people who talks about how fi i was doomed

1:06:55

how crypto is an inflation heads

1:06:57

how i would said have fun being poor

1:07:00

all of those people lay

1:07:03

people the world what they did was there about

1:07:05

have hunt they the

1:07:07

gave you all of these valuable database

1:07:09

entries for your terrible old feel and

1:07:12

you know what valve they're stuck with huge

1:07:14

amounts of be a currency that's gonna be worthless

1:07:17

any day now

1:07:19

i simply don't think be doing that

1:07:22

i mean i have no idea what else

1:07:24

i can possibly say but possibly just i

1:07:26

simply won't be doing that and i think we

1:07:28

won't be carrying on any further

1:07:30

with this episode because

1:07:33

our it's time for us to

1:07:35

as far as your concerns the listener it's time

1:07:37

for us to go away a back

1:07:39

and living live silently in your phone for several

1:07:41

days gone settle my does coin

1:07:43

and it means i might be decreasing invalid

1:07:46

let let's will go and sit quietly now we're

1:07:48

going go sit quietly for a couple days according

1:07:50

to you going to stasis according

1:07:52

to us we're going to because a

1:07:54

i was away and then got on well a

1:07:56

record the next episode basically

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right now well

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plaudits if you remember the line and his friend

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despise falls in love with cocaine

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yeah riley i'll never that one so sewer

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to plug to you have the bottle

1:09:01

than i do yes with me and me and beckner

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which is very

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