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Joining us today is medium Jenny Lee,

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an empath, psychic, and channeler

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who's experienced the paranormal

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and metaphysical her entire

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life. Jenny has dedicated herself

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to honing her extraordinary abilities

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to connect with spirit guides, angels,

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extraterrestrials, and higher dimensional

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energies through mediumship and trance

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channeling. She's the co host of

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the Witching Hours podcast and an

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accomplished artist whose spirit art

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provides another conduit for otherworldly

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expression. Jenny's path

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has been one of opening her mind and spirit to

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the profound strangeness that lurks

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beyond the thin veil of our physical

1:07

reality. So let's fasten

1:10

our spiritual seatbelts

1:12

as we dive deep into this modern

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mystics most intimate encounters

1:17

with the great beyond. Jenny

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Lea welcome to the transcendent minds

1:22

podcast. What a fantastic

1:24

introduction. Thanks.

1:26

Yes, welcome. Your journey

1:28

in the world of the unseen and

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unexplained, and that's something

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That has long captured the

1:35

human imagination. Yes.

1:38

There are many gifted individuals who

1:41

I've encountered who can peer

1:43

beyond the veil and connect

1:45

with realms beyond our physical

1:47

reality and we

1:50

can see that's both being revered

1:52

and feared throughout history

1:56

and you seem to have walked this rarified

1:59

path as a medium and channeler

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and purveyor of the paranormal.

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To me your journey into these

2:06

mystical arts really begs a much

2:09

deeper exploration Can

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you recount any pivotal

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moments or rising realizations

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or experiences in your life

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that first unlocked your sensitivity

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to the metaphysical world and what drove

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you to not just acknowledge it,

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but to purposefully develop

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these extraordinary abilities.

2:31

My dad would talk about astral

2:34

travel and past lives and we'd

2:36

talk about ghosts and ETs

2:38

and UFOs. Was just, normal

2:41

for me. So my dad had a lot of

2:43

experiences over the course of his life and

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he's a storyteller. So he's always

2:47

telling the stories, even if you've heard it 50 times

2:50

before. One of his stories that

2:52

he always used to share, which he actually

2:54

had evidence to back up was that

2:56

he would astral travel when he was

2:58

a child. One of the places that

3:00

he traveled to was and I don't know

3:02

the exact location. I should have looked it up,

3:04

but I didn't even think I was going to talk about this. It's

3:07

one of the Shinto shrines in Japan

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and when he was four years old,

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he painted a picture of it and I

3:13

have it framed and hanging up. First

3:16

of all, the fact that a four year old painted this,

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it has the date written on the back. My grandma wrote

3:21

the date on the back of it. So it's dated.

3:23

It, the perspective of it as an artist,

3:26

I look at it and I'm like, oh, the perspective of

3:28

this I think I would have a problem

3:30

as an adult painting the perspective

3:32

of the way he painted the shrine. But

3:34

then the fact that he hadn't

3:37

seen any images of this at

3:39

the time, It's just amazing.

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I have all of that in my mind already

3:45

as a young child, because he's sharing these stories

3:47

and when I was about seven years old, we

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took a field trip to the Virginia Museum of Fine

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Arts, which is a fabulous art museum. I'm

3:54

so lucky to live in a state that has such

3:56

a wonderful art museum, especially as an artist. We

3:58

go into the Egyptian section. This

4:01

is the 80s. Keep people away from touching

4:03

stuff and I'm seven. I reach

4:05

out and I put my finger on

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this particular sculpture,

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which I don't remember which one it is now. And every

4:12

time I go back, I'm looking like, which one

4:14

was it that I touched that day, but I don't

4:16

remember. But when I touched the

4:18

sculpture, my finger touched it, I

4:21

instantly felt like I was being

4:23

pulled away like, my conscious

4:25

mind was going somewhere. My

4:27

vision turned black and

4:30

it scared me so badly

4:32

because I didn't know it was happening. Looking

4:35

back on it, I know now

4:37

that something about that sculpture,

4:40

that energy within that

4:42

stone was having

4:44

some kind of interaction with my energy

4:47

and whether I was going to see a vision or

4:49

leave my body or I don't even

4:51

know, but that's definitely a

4:54

moment in my childhood that

4:56

was very important.

4:57

Very challenging to interpret

5:00

what is going on at that time

5:03

because your prefrontal cortex is not

5:05

fully formed. So to make

5:07

sense of what is going on.

5:09

And even now I can't make sense of it really.

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That's the mystery. Yes. You've

5:14

got to be in service to the mystery, right?

5:16

Absolutely. That's the only reason why

5:18

we keep searching.

5:19

When I was at school, I asked

5:22

a lot of questions and

5:24

it wasn't exactly encouraged because

5:26

I was there to follow a curriculum,

5:29

not really get an education. But

5:31

when you look at the symbology of a question,

5:35

it's actually a hook to get

5:37

the next question. If

5:39

you have a a literacy

5:42

in symbology, you are symbolically

5:44

literate and you look at these visual

5:47

displays in our language,

5:50

they are micro coded. Yeah.

5:53

I never thought about the question mark being a hook

5:55

before. Yeah. Yeah. So that

5:57

gets you to the next question

5:59

because our answers only inform us of where

6:01

we've been. Yeah, but our questions

6:04

will tell us the direction

6:06

we need to go.

6:08

Hence why you're a podcast host.

6:09

Exactly.

6:12

Got a lot of questions.

6:14

I always have a lot of questions.

6:15

I love it.

6:17

If you said to me five years ago, Hey,

6:19

you're going to be podcasting I'd be like,

6:22

Yeah, I was the same way. Yeah. Yeah.

6:24

But because of the NDE experience, I

6:27

couldn't make any sense

6:29

out of it in terms of the

6:31

rational way of looking at it,

6:34

but I can look at it from a trans rational

6:36

way. In other words, by the

6:38

confluence of my intuition

6:41

and my sensations

6:44

and something was organizing and propelling

6:46

me to say, this is the direction you need

6:48

to move into that's why this

6:51

podcast was born and and it's like a

6:53

hand in the glove. This fits really well.

6:56

I love doing this. And I think it's

6:58

always timings, isn't it? With anything,

7:00

it's like you have that experience and

7:02

the timing of that experience may

7:04

not have enabled you to make

7:07

sense of it, but that was right for

7:09

you not to make sense of it.

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Oh, yeah.

7:12

Because that's the seed that was planted.

7:14

Much of the time, we're

7:16

not in fear of

7:19

the situations that we encounter,

7:22

but the sensations that we might

7:24

feel about the situation.

7:27

When we embrace it fully and

7:29

embody it, so our

7:31

cognition processes

7:35

what we're experiencing and we

7:37

embody it, then we can enact

7:39

and extend it to others. That's

7:41

the ripple effect where it's not

7:43

just going to go in one direction, it can go in many

7:45

directions for those who have

7:48

the eyes to see and the ears to discern.

7:52

Absolutely.

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In terms of embracing

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roles as a medium

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and a channeler requires

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an unflinching courage

8:04

to confront the unknown. Because

8:07

the visions, the voices,

8:10

the presences, the essences

8:12

that you encounter could

8:14

just as easily enthrall as

8:17

terrify the uninitiated.

8:19

Yes.

8:19

But you've forged ahead, you've

8:21

dedicated to refining your craft

8:24

through study under esteemed

8:26

teachers as well. Can

8:28

you illustrate the process that you

8:31

go through when connecting

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with a spirit or entity or

8:36

higher dimensional energy, and

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how do you discern

8:40

the authenticity of these encounters

8:43

and overcome the skepticism that many

8:46

have about their veracity?

8:49

So it was a bit of a mouthful there.

8:50

That was a lot of questions and a question. Yeah.

8:52

There was a lot of hooks in that

8:54

question. Like how do I go about connecting

8:56

the spirit? like every person that does, any

8:59

kind of spiritual work, everybody has their

9:01

like their rituals that they do. For

9:04

me, mine is like setting up my space.

9:07

I usually light a candle, I light an incense,

9:09

I burn some sage and some palo santo.

9:12

Then I do a meditative, what I call

9:14

like a grounding exercise, where I

9:16

connect myself to the earth. Then I

9:18

go through all my chakras. When I get

9:20

to my crown chakra I envision

9:22

it opening up like doors, and

9:25

that's like me turning the open sign

9:27

on for spirit. Hey, I'm open

9:29

for business now, whatever we need to talk about

9:31

today, let's do this. Once

9:33

I do that, I'm just open and I'm ready

9:36

to speak to whoever whatever

9:38

comes through.

9:39

What's Polly Santo?

9:40

Polly Santo. What is that? It's

9:43

just a piece of wood, some kind

9:45

of wood. I was always burning

9:47

sage, but then I learned

9:50

that the sage gets rid of the negative, but then

9:52

it leaves a void. So you have to

9:54

refill it with something positive and the

9:56

Palo Santo is something that's puts

9:58

the positive back in the space. So

10:00

I do them together.

10:02

So it has certain properties in it. Oh,

10:04

beautiful. Yeah. Okay.

10:07

The second part is how

10:09

do you discern the authenticity

10:11

of these encounters and

10:13

overcome the skepticism that some

10:15

have about, yeah, about, because

10:18

I think that's changing now about

10:20

their veracity.

10:22

Discerning the different types of things

10:24

that come through has been a very

10:27

unusual experience because

10:30

really when I started learning mediumship, I

10:32

just wanted to be an evidential medium.

10:36

I just wanted to read people, talk

10:38

to people's grandmas and give them messages and

10:40

that was all that I thought I was doing.

10:43

But Spirit had a whole nother journey

10:45

for me, because it didn't take

10:47

long from when I started doing

10:50

this work, that there started

10:52

to be things that came through that weren't people's

10:54

loved ones and I had to figure

10:57

out every time something

10:59

new came through, what is this?

11:01

What am I seeing? What am I experiencing?

11:03

I think that every person and

11:06

every medium and anybody

11:08

that's explores this world.

11:11

will go about that journey in a totally

11:13

different way. But for me, it

11:15

was seeing things in

11:18

like this layered way. Like

11:20

I saw everything in like the layers of an

11:22

onion and the first layer

11:24

was the place where our loved ones are.

11:27

And then the next layer was the angelic realm.

11:29

And then the next layer, I don't know what's there.

11:31

Cause they never showed it to me. There's a few more layers

11:34

and then. It was like people's higher selves.

11:36

And then it goes up and until

11:38

you get to source. It's been

11:40

a huge process over the course of

11:43

the last three plus years of figuring

11:45

out all the different types of things. But

11:47

your question really was how do you

11:50

know what you're getting? There have been times

11:52

when there was deceptive things. For

11:54

example, there was a reading one time where

11:57

what seemed like a person showed

11:59

up and they were trying to say

12:01

that they were connected to the person I was reading

12:04

for, but I can

12:06

only assume that it was my higher

12:08

self was like, the alert went off. No,

12:12

this is not right they're not who

12:14

they say they are. So I always

12:16

get an alert from someone or

12:18

my higher self that lets me know that something's

12:20

amiss. Then I can see what

12:22

it really is.

12:24

In today's rapidly advancing

12:26

technology and materialism

12:28

and consumerism. It lives

12:31

in some of the populace that the mystic

12:33

arts are practice

12:35

that could easily be dismissed as some

12:38

archaic holdover, I

12:40

see that you stand firm in

12:43

their relevance and offering services

12:45

to help others to attune to

12:47

the unseen forces and past

12:49

lives. It's not some mere parlor

12:52

trick or performance, but it's

12:54

something you approach as

12:56

a true calling. What is the

12:58

ethical obligation you feel

13:00

as a medium and a channeler?

13:02

You have to go

13:04

about your readings in a

13:07

compassionate way. So

13:09

no matter what or who comes through, you

13:11

have to think about who the person

13:13

is, what the message is, how that's

13:15

going to affect the person you're reading for.

13:18

Like for example, there's lots of times

13:20

where when I'm doing an evidential reading, a

13:22

person comes through who was an

13:25

abuser or someone who was not

13:27

pleasant to the person I was reading

13:29

for that I'm reading for and when

13:31

I see that and I sense it, I

13:34

have to ask them if they even want to hear from

13:36

that person. And sometimes

13:38

they say no. And sometimes they're like, no, I need

13:40

to hear that. That's what they're going for.

13:42

I need to heal this. Other ethical

13:44

things about mediumship is that

13:47

you can't necessarily go seeking

13:49

for the people to read for you can't go out

13:51

on the street and be like, Oh, hey,

13:54

you, your grandma says, whatever

13:56

that's not acceptable, because you don't know

13:58

what that person's beliefs are. They

14:00

might think that I'm talking to demons or something,

14:02

I'm going to scare them. It's not acceptable. So

14:05

you have to let the people that want

14:07

the services come to you. So those

14:09

are a couple of ethical things.

14:11

Are there any lines that you

14:13

will not cross or entities that

14:15

you refuse to engage with?

14:17

Yeah, I won't let cause

14:19

we have had some kind

14:21

of negative, nasty people

14:24

spirits come through before that

14:26

want to like start argument or

14:28

they want to say something mean and, I'm not

14:31

going to say that to them. That's no,

14:33

like you're going to have to rephrase what you're

14:35

saying or you're going to have to leave. Cause

14:37

that's we're not doing that. But

14:39

anything that's like the darker side of things

14:42

I will engage because I feel

14:44

like that's necessary

14:46

and that I'm capable of doing that. But

14:48

nasty people is another thing. Yeah.

14:51

Oh yeah. Some of that is around.

14:53

Yeah there's some of them are still like that when they're

14:55

dead too, unfortunately. Yeah, gosh.

14:58

You did ask me a question earlier too that I did

15:00

not answer. It was about skeptics. I

15:03

like to go about skeptics like this, because

15:05

there's plenty of things that I have, I've experienced

15:08

that I don't believe in and my

15:10

number one example of that is that I

15:12

didn't used to believe in angels. I didn't

15:15

until I saw one. And

15:18

then I had to open myself up to it. So

15:20

when someone says, I don't believe this

15:22

or I'm questioning this, I

15:25

really just have to tell them if

15:27

that's okay, because even for me,

15:29

I don't believe something until

15:31

I experienced it for myself. I

15:33

think that's really important. I don't

15:36

think anybody necessarily has to believe

15:38

in something if it's not something they've experienced.

15:41

I totally agree with you. I think having the visceral

15:43

experience of something as

15:46

distinct from an academic perusal

15:48

about it or an academic pursuit.

15:50

With the nde I had i'm

15:53

not there to convince anybody

15:55

about it frankly, I don't care

15:57

if they believe in it or not. Because i'm not

15:59

there to prove that it's real or not,

16:01

but it was very real for me and

16:04

the way that's outplayed in my life now,

16:06

I don't think i'd be here speaking to you

16:08

about mediumship and about channeling

16:10

and about all these different things. I've always

16:13

had an interest in But never

16:15

quite punctured the plasma

16:18

of the essence of it to

16:20

be able for it to rain upon

16:22

me and now that's coming to

16:24

fruition. Where do you see

16:27

these experiences or these

16:29

practices fitting into

16:31

our modern world and the future

16:33

of humanity's spiritual

16:36

evolution.

16:37

I would like to think that

16:39

it would become, in my

16:41

ideal world, this would be something

16:44

that was open and accepted

16:47

and people would realize the value

16:49

of all the different types of

16:51

spiritual practices and healing

16:54

modalities that it's all something

16:56

that is very much

16:59

a benefit to everyone.

17:02

Do I think that is going to

17:04

happen anytime soon? We're working

17:07

on it, but

17:09

I think that pendulum could very easily

17:11

swing back the other way. I feel

17:14

like we've made some momentum, but

17:16

I, at any time it could very well

17:18

just go back to the way it was. I

17:20

hope that it doesn't though.

17:22

I think it takes at least two generations

17:24

to change anything. In terms

17:26

of politics and education

17:29

and communication

17:31

and collaboration, I think all these things

17:33

are going to change. As

17:36

an example, we have more

17:39

say in our communities. I

17:42

think in Oregon, they have a sign

17:44

when you drive in and say, welcome to the free state

17:46

of Jefferson, more and more

17:48

people are now wanting more say

17:51

and more autonomy in their communities

17:54

and a closer affiliation to the earth

17:56

and to the soil and more

17:58

natural ways of

18:01

being and more natural ways

18:03

of what it means to be human. If

18:05

some of these natural things

18:08

were to manifest themselves

18:10

as a permanent fixture in our society.

18:13

Are we coming into a new time

18:16

where there's going to be a plasma of

18:18

change and transcendence?

18:21

Think it very well could be. Yes.

18:23

A lot of the different type readings that

18:25

I've done over the past few

18:27

years that aren't evidential,

18:30

the messages that come through often

18:32

are that we're in a shift. They

18:34

use that word a lot. This is where this

18:36

earth is shifting. You're in a shift. Things

18:38

are changing. And there's

18:40

been a lot of messages about structures

18:43

needing to be rebuilt. I believe

18:45

they're talking about our societal structures,

18:47

which is pretty much what you were talking about. And

18:50

then you had said earlier when you were talking

18:52

about like people thinking that this

18:55

type of work is archaic. I think

18:57

that's exactly what we're doing is that

18:59

we're taking everything back to

19:02

a time when we were like this

19:04

and we had small communities that used

19:07

nature that didn't have all this

19:09

extra stuff that we didn't need

19:11

that used the earth for medicine

19:14

and that new energy and

19:16

that knew that spirits were there.

19:18

And it just feels like we're going

19:20

back to that time. But of course,

19:22

it'll be different because our world is totally

19:24

different. We have all these technologies and

19:27

things. We'll get to see it.

19:28

A project that I'm working on which

19:30

is to do with a true education,

19:33

and it's not about going to school and being

19:35

able to have good data storage and vomiting

19:38

out the answers on a piece of paper,

19:40

but a true education. I was wondering

19:43

about the indigenous practices

19:46

of being close to

19:49

our mother the earth being part

19:51

of her inner arrangement and

19:53

I was thinking what are the rhythms and

19:55

the sounds and the impressions

19:57

that a child can have when

20:00

you put them close to the earth and

20:02

how that permeates their being.

20:05

What does that do to the

20:07

integrity and structure

20:09

of their DNA? How does it manifest

20:12

itself? These curios

20:14

that I'm having at the moment about

20:17

different aspects of nature.

20:19

Because I see in nature's patterns as an example,

20:22

trees have a frequency to

20:25

them. Everything has a frequency. Fear

20:27

is a frequency. And

20:29

you can see with trees that

20:32

when they're prone to dryness,

20:35

the frequency they want to attract is wetness.

20:38

That has an impact on our weather patterns.

20:42

When you start really looking at

20:44

what nature has to teach us,

20:47

it's huge. Oh yeah.

20:49

It's absolutely huge. But

20:51

it's something that's been stripped out of our education.

20:54

Yes. In terms of these practices

20:57

that we can use

21:00

to heal ourselves. And I do believe

21:02

that the other side,

21:05

or across the veil, however people term

21:07

it, is there is an intelligence

21:09

there in the unseen worlds.

21:12

Sometimes I hear myself and I get a bit

21:14

sick of myself, resurrecting

21:17

dead men's works. Don't

21:19

get me wrong, it has its merits. But

21:21

what is our rendezvous with

21:24

the future, what is the future

21:26

intelligence that needs

21:28

to come through? How can

21:30

we be agencies of amplification

21:33

for new think new possibilities,

21:36

an active genesis of transformation

21:40

where we can look at what the

21:42

past because yes,

21:45

the answers tell us where we've been, but

21:48

the questions are telling us what is the

21:50

direction not demand, but it's

21:52

a direction that we

21:54

may need to go in and it's unknown. And

21:58

people don't like uncertainty.

22:00

Yep.

22:01

I'm fascinated by your work and

22:03

one of the most fascinating and

22:06

other worldly aspects of your work

22:08

is the ability to channel

22:10

nonphysical entities sources

22:13

of knowledge, I would say, rather than

22:15

just information although

22:17

there is information contained within that,

22:19

from extraterrestrials

22:22

to ancient figures, divine energies,

22:24

you've opened yourself up as a conduit

22:27

for these forces to communicate through you

22:29

in an unfiltered way. Can

22:32

you give descriptive value

22:35

to the different sensations,

22:38

visual cues, or signs

22:40

that occur when you're about

22:42

to channel a particular

22:44

entity or source.

22:47

When I am

22:49

going to channel I know

22:51

immediately because I feel a pressure

22:54

being pushed onto my physical

22:56

body. It usually comes from above

22:59

and it's like this constant pressure

23:01

onto myself. My head usually

23:04

like starts falling backwards and I don't

23:06

know what that is. Sometimes I've almost felt like

23:08

my head is like a satellite dish and they

23:10

have to put it in the right place, let's put

23:12

it in their right place so we can send this radio

23:14

broadcast into her head. That's what it feels

23:17

like sometimes. But to

23:19

me it seems like there's been

23:22

two different types of channeling. One

23:24

is where the energy or the consciousness

23:27

comes really like close

23:29

into my physical body so

23:31

that my energy and their energy

23:33

are blending together, but when that happens,

23:35

my consciousness starts

23:37

to drift away and it feels

23:40

like the best way I can explain it is

23:42

that my consciousness. Is a balloon

23:45

tied to a pole and the pole being

23:47

my physical self and the balloon just

23:49

starts shifting away, floating

23:52

away, but it's always connected.

23:54

Then there's another type of channeling that

23:56

has happened where it is more like

23:58

that satellite dish, like I'm just

24:00

getting like this, a lot of

24:02

people refer to it as like a download,

24:05

but there's like a frequency being

24:07

broadcast and it's just like

24:09

I'm relaying it as

24:11

it comes through. Yeah.

24:12

Is there a personal preparation

24:16

that you go through and secondly,

24:18

your question that comes to mind is, do you

24:20

need to safeguard yourself in any

24:23

way for these channeling experiences?

24:25

Yes when I took this very basic

24:28

trance class a few years ago,

24:30

and the person who was teaching it

24:32

said that most channelers have

24:35

a spirit guide or a spirit team

24:37

that's like their group that they work with.

24:40

And one of those is usually,

24:42

they call it like a gatekeeper. So

24:45

there's a spirit guide who's in charge

24:47

of what comes through and what

24:49

can't come through. When I started

24:52

doing this work and I could tell

24:54

that it was going to be something that I was

24:56

really going to do. I was doing a sitting

24:58

in the power exercise, which is just like

25:00

a really deep meditation where you're trying to connect

25:03

to your own power, but also the power of source.

25:05

And a person showed up, a

25:08

spirit guide showed up and

25:10

showed himself to me over the course of about

25:12

three or four of these sessions. He's

25:15

a Maya priest, and he has

25:17

the face paint and the headdress

25:20

and he's got this staff thing

25:22

that has got like these branches

25:24

that come up and it has all these different things

25:26

on it like shells and beads

25:29

and things that make noise, so

25:31

like he shakes it, and it makes noise,

25:33

which we could go into a huge rabbit hole about

25:36

sound and frequency and music but when

25:38

he uses that sound to

25:41

ward off the things that shouldn't be there,

25:44

like that's his way of protecting. So

25:46

I knew immediately that he was my gatekeeper.

25:49

He had come to be the person

25:51

to allow things to come through, or

25:54

to not allow things to come through. So

25:56

I trust him to know what's right

25:58

for me and what isn't.

25:59

And again, you look at ancient practices,

26:02

especially the ancient egyptians they

26:04

use sound for healing Yep and

26:07

you can see it in terms of the aborigines

26:09

using sound and as you

26:11

say music, sound, frequencies,

26:14

vibrations it all has healing

26:17

quotient to it. As you

26:19

were speaking that came up for me was there's

26:21

an element of and correct

26:23

me if i'm wrong here But

26:26

it seems to me there's an element of surrender

26:30

there's an involvement of surrendering one's

26:32

consciousness to a certain

26:34

degree to allow this

26:36

energy and voice to

26:39

take hold. That raises the questions

26:42

about, I don't know if the word is risks,

26:44

but I'm going to use it of such an intimate

26:47

blending and how much

26:49

of your own identity

26:51

or personality may be suppressed.

26:54

So in your channeling work, how

26:57

much control or autonomy

27:00

do you retain as distinct

27:02

from giving yourself over

27:04

completely to the source

27:07

that you're channeling?

27:08

I'm actually in the process of taking a six

27:10

week course with Karen Francis

27:12

McCarthy, who's teaching

27:14

her trance class and she

27:16

explained it in a very wonderful

27:19

way. She said that trance work when

27:21

you're starting out is 95 percent

27:23

you and 5 percent spirit. And

27:25

the more that you do it, and the better you

27:28

get at it, and the more you

27:30

can connect, you can get to

27:32

the point where it's 100 percent

27:34

spirit, because your consciousness

27:36

goes into a state of what she calls oblivion.

27:39

You are not aware at all of

27:41

what is happening, or what is being said,

27:43

I have never gone into oblivion. Perhaps

27:46

that'll be something I do at some point. But

27:49

one of the reasons why I don't is because

27:52

what I usually am doing

27:54

when I'm doing meeting readings is I stream

27:56

live on Twitch. If you don't know what Twitch

27:58

is, it's a streaming platform that started

28:00

out just for gamers to stream video games.

28:03

Since then, now there's like cooking and podcasts

28:06

and talk shows and tarot channel

28:08

and that's where I usually stream is on a tarot

28:10

channel. And I do meeting readings

28:12

on there. So I'm by myself

28:15

in this exact same space, talking

28:17

to people online through chat,

28:19

they're chatting, I'm talking, and

28:22

when I do a channel reading

28:24

for someone, I have to be able

28:26

to bring myself back. I'm

28:28

not with anybody else. I

28:30

can't go into that space of oblivion

28:33

because I really feel like

28:35

you need to have at least someone else in

28:37

the room with you to help you

28:39

come out of it. So I haven't ever

28:42

tried to do that. Like I've consciously

28:44

made a decision that I didn't want to ever

28:46

go 100 percent out. But

28:48

now that I'm taking this class, I think that would be something

28:51

I would work towards, but I'd have to do it in a different

28:53

setting. For me it really

28:55

depends on the connection of who

28:57

is coming through. It also depends

28:59

on my own energy that day, whether

29:01

I feel tired or I'm distracted or

29:03

whatever. Whether the things

29:06

that are coming through are a

29:08

greater percentage of the spirit

29:10

or lesser. And sometimes even

29:12

in the channeling, it can fluctuate.

29:14

Like I can feel my consciousness coming

29:16

back through and then sliding back

29:18

out. It's very interesting.

29:20

Have you ever had an experience where

29:23

the influences that were

29:26

coming through you were hard

29:28

to disengage from?

29:30

When that balloon starts floating really far

29:32

away. It can be hard for me

29:34

to come back. The regulars

29:37

in my chat know that if they see me

29:39

having a hard time that they're using

29:41

their energy, like calling me

29:43

back through. Or if I'm doing it in

29:45

a setting where we're actually able to talk

29:47

to each other then somebody will be

29:49

like, Oh, Jenny, it's time to come back, but

29:52

I would say that happens maybe

29:55

about 25 percent of the time and

29:57

the rest of the time I can come back pretty

29:59

easily.

30:00

After coming back how do you reestablish

30:03

your mind and

30:05

persona after these trance

30:07

like states?

30:09

I usually make a lot of noises and then

30:11

I have to drink water and

30:13

I usually have to do something

30:16

like if I'm on Twitch, I'll start reading the chat

30:18

or if it's something else, like maybe I'll start

30:20

writing down some of the things that came through.

30:23

I just have to do something physical,

30:25

I have to speak, I have to read,

30:28

I have to drink, I have to do things

30:30

that like get me back into my physical

30:32

self.

30:33

So you move from radiational to gravitational.

30:36

Yeah.

30:36

When you are channeling you're

30:38

essentially serving

30:41

or in service to something

30:43

higher than you. You're serving

30:45

as a vessel to

30:48

receive these

30:50

messages from these unseen realms,

30:52

That could open up to profound

30:55

insights or new perspectives

30:58

that challenge what we

31:00

quote unquote is our understood reality

31:03

in fundamental ways. What

31:05

have been some of the most impactful

31:08

or reality shifting truths, ideas

31:11

or revelations that you've encountered

31:14

through your channeling work?

31:16

The one that is the most bizarre

31:18

and also the most eye opening was

31:21

we did a night where my husband helped

31:24

me with this one. We did a channeling

31:26

session where we purposefully had the intention

31:28

of trying to talk to ETS. And

31:31

we just open it up to whoever, whoever wants to come

31:33

through. I'll bring the spirit. You bring

31:35

the questions, you bring those hooks, and then,

31:37

people in the chat can asked the questions of

31:40

who, whatever was coming through. We had

31:42

the most bizarre thing come

31:44

through and I could see it in my

31:46

mind, what they looked like. They were not

31:48

humanoid. They looked like a

31:50

slime mold, which is a little mold

31:53

that grows on dying trees that looks

31:55

like a little pile of jelly. That's

31:57

what it looks like. But they were having

31:59

this really in depth conversation

32:02

and answering these questions and

32:04

the thing that stuck out the most

32:06

to me, and I don't know if I could

32:08

ever forget this because it was so important.

32:11

Basically what they were saying, you can't

32:14

judge something to its

32:16

intelligence or consciousness based on how

32:18

it looks, because all

32:21

life is sentient. That's what they said.

32:23

All life is sentient.

32:26

I think that a lot of people, especially in

32:28

the spiritual community have realized

32:30

that plants are sentient. We already knew

32:32

animals are sentient, but you

32:35

got to go even deeper. You got to go further

32:37

than that. You got to look at the things that we're not

32:39

even used to looking at and realize that they

32:41

also have this conscious energy

32:44

that's from source because that's where

32:46

it all comes from.

32:48

That would force me to

32:50

reevaluate, which I do anyway,

32:52

consistently is my own

32:54

beliefs about the nature of consciousness

32:57

and existence or our universe

33:00

and that surprises and delights me in

33:02

so many different ways because

33:04

of it saying no, not that way.

33:06

Look at it this way. So

33:09

it's not saying you're right or you're wrong.

33:11

It's saying, no, not that way, this way. So

33:14

I look that way and then, it's kaleidoscopic,

33:17

it has all these different colors

33:19

and different frequencies and different energies

33:21

and different vibrations to it.

33:23

I want to touch on your artistic talents.

33:26

Sure.

33:27

After looking through your website,

33:29

I sensed an inextricable

33:32

link to your metaphysical

33:34

abilities, because it seemed

33:37

to me that the spirit

33:39

art helps create energies

33:41

and inspiration from

33:43

unseen realms and

33:46

that blending of creativity and

33:48

channeling. I

33:50

think that's quite unique in many ways.

33:53

Can you describe the process

33:56

of how you produce these can

33:59

I call them spirit art pieces?

34:01

Yeah. Yeah. That's exactly what they are. Yeah.

34:03

So after I took that trance workshop

34:06

one of the, I don't really even know

34:08

how it came about, but I think it

34:10

was a combination of the trance class

34:12

that I took and I took another workshop

34:15

where it was about automatic writing. I

34:17

was terrible at automatic writing.

34:19

Couldn't get a word to show up for nothing.

34:23

But then I was thinking about it and I was

34:25

like I'm an artist. So like, why don't I

34:27

just try this with imagery

34:29

instead of words, so

34:31

I put those two things together. We

34:33

like to call it the trance prance circle, this

34:36

trans circle that we practice

34:38

in. I just tried it one day

34:40

to see if it would even work and it

34:42

was working. So

34:44

I just went for it and I did it live on

34:47

my Twitch stream. And the

34:49

very first one that we did,

34:51

there was two different entities that came through

34:53

and in the image that came through was

34:55

two different pictures and one,

34:58

and the first entity that came through

35:00

was really trying I don't know what's

35:03

going on with that guy, but he was really trying

35:05

to get us to have almost a fearful

35:07

reverence for a source that

35:09

we needed to still be feeling

35:11

that we need to have this fear of it.

35:13

I'm like, where is this even coming from? But

35:15

then he left and this other

35:17

energy came in and he was very

35:20

upset and

35:22

he made like this really

35:24

harsh, jagged markings on

35:26

the paper and he was just having a fit

35:28

about how we couldn't get it together

35:30

on earth. And what are you guys doing? Shouldn't

35:32

be like this and all this stuff and that

35:35

is the person that ends up being my

35:37

spirit art person, which

35:41

we've gotten to the point where he's not so grouchy

35:44

anymore. But yeah, it's just

35:46

using that channeling and

35:48

mixing it with art making.

35:50

And I'm going to be totally honest this trance class

35:52

that I'm taking is helping me understand how

35:55

that is even working or what

35:57

has even been going on with it. Cause I didn't

35:59

really understand even for myself.

36:01

I think that really what's happening in the spirit

36:03

art is that the energy of the

36:05

spirit is blending with me. But

36:08

they're giving me the suggestion

36:10

of what color to pick up, or

36:12

what kind of marking

36:14

I should be making. It's a little

36:16

less than I thought, because

36:19

I was thinking that they were the ones controlling

36:21

it, but I don't think that's really what's happening now

36:23

that I've been taking this class, I think it's more like a

36:25

psychic suggestion. They're like,

36:27

Hey, we should use the orange. So then I pick up the

36:29

orange and then okay, we're going to make this kind of mark.

36:31

So I think it's more of a collaborative thing than

36:33

I thought it was previously.

36:35

Color is a cloak of force.

36:37

Yeah. every color's got its own symbol.

36:39

You're talking about symbols at the beginning yes.

36:43

If you look at the spectrum the red, orange,

36:45

yellow, green, blue, indigo, violet, those

36:47

are all cloaks of force.

36:49

They also have their own frequencies.

36:51

And they have their own frequencies, exactly.

36:53

Something else I wanted to ask you

36:55

is that in addition to

36:58

connecting with spirits and entities,

37:01

part of your esoteric exploration

37:03

involves tapping into past

37:05

lives and incarnations. For

37:07

those skeptical of the

37:10

concept of reincarnation,

37:12

such abilities always puts

37:14

one's materialistic

37:16

beliefs to the test.

37:19

How did you become aware

37:21

that you could access past

37:23

life memories and what has that

37:25

experience been like for you?

37:27

That's another one of those things where I was just

37:30

trying to be an evidential medium.

37:34

And then one day I'm

37:36

trying to do a reading for somebody and I'm

37:38

not getting anybody

37:40

and I just start seeing

37:43

like I'm watching a movie and I knew

37:45

that this is a past life. Because

37:47

it wasn't current, it wasn't in

37:50

any time that I know of recently

37:52

and it's escalated since then.

37:55

It started out just as that cause spirit

37:57

knows what the person needs to hear, that's

38:00

really what it comes down to is

38:02

that spirit knows when

38:04

a person comes to me for a reading, what

38:06

that person needs to hear or know at that

38:08

particular time. So whether it's

38:10

they needed to hear from a deceased loved

38:12

one, whether they need to see something

38:15

from a past life, whether they need to have

38:17

this crazy channeled message

38:19

from an alien from who knows where,

38:21

whatever. Spirit knows. So

38:23

the past lives reading started out as

38:25

those kind of seeing a movie things. But

38:28

then recently over the

38:30

past maybe six months or so, I

38:32

started going to the Akashic

38:34

records first and I get taken

38:36

through the Akashic records, which if you don't

38:38

know what the Akashic records is, it's the

38:41

only way I can explain it is it's a physical

38:43

place in a different realm that

38:45

holds all the records of every

38:48

single person that's ever been

38:50

alive and like every life I've ever had.

38:53

It seems to me from my experiences

38:55

going there that each soul

38:57

has its own section in

39:00

the library because I get taken

39:02

to a place in the library and it's

39:04

always really cool because I get to see

39:06

the different places like I'm walking

39:08

through this building and I get taken

39:10

to their section and then I asked what

39:13

am I supposed to see at this time and then

39:15

a book will come off the shelf and then

39:17

I go into that movie. It's always

39:20

fascinating because the whole process

39:22

is amazing. My husband's a history

39:24

teacher. In that regards, I also like

39:27

history so it's I'm getting

39:29

to see these little windows and glimpses

39:31

into history, as a side note

39:33

to this being a reading for someone of something

39:36

they need to hear.

39:37

Was there a particularly vivid or

39:39

significant past life

39:41

that you tapped into and how

39:43

has it informed this current

39:46

life that you're living?

39:47

I've gotten to see maybe

39:49

not quite a dozen of my own lives at

39:51

this point. The one that affected me the

39:54

most, because it was

39:56

so traumatic and I

39:58

guess in some ways it was the one

40:01

that made me realize that these past

40:03

life visions are what they are. They're

40:05

not just seeing

40:08

some kind of memory of

40:10

history, because it was so

40:12

physically taxing

40:14

on me to see it. I

40:16

knew it had to be something that I

40:18

experienced. I was a young woman

40:21

living in some dirt

40:23

floored shack in probably the Midwest

40:25

of America and pioneer

40:27

times, and it showed

40:29

me like a little bit of the childhood and then a little

40:32

bit of her young adult years and

40:34

then I went to the death scene,

40:36

and that's what where it was like, Oh, because

40:39

she died in childbirth. She's having

40:41

a baby. She hemorrhages. All

40:43

of a sudden I'm floating up in the ceiling

40:46

and I can see the body

40:48

that I had just left. The whole

40:50

time she's like freaking out. She's

40:53

my baby and in that

40:55

session of seeing this me

40:57

now, I'm just in tears.

40:59

I'm like, my whole body is shaking. I just feel

41:02

it through my whole physical

41:04

body that this is something that

41:06

really happened to me. So

41:09

once again, it comes back to

41:11

that. You have to experience

41:13

it for yourself in order to really

41:15

believe in this past life stuff

41:18

because when you have an experience like that, I don't

41:20

know how you could disclaim it.

41:23

How do you approach the balance

41:26

between offering the substantiation

41:29

of your experiences while

41:32

still allowing room for

41:35

mystery and the undefinable and the inexpressible.

41:40

For me, I'm just very open that I don't

41:42

know the answers to everything, like

41:44

half the time when something comes through, I

41:46

don't know how this is happening or I don't

41:48

understand. In a lot of ways, just

41:50

like you, I have a lot of questions.

41:53

It's every time you get an answer, you get

41:55

20 more questions to go with it As

41:57

a medium who also is a

41:59

Twitch streamer, I get to have

42:01

those conversations with people on a weekly

42:04

basis. It's really wonderful

42:06

to be in that kind of community

42:08

where every week, we're just able to

42:10

bounce in ideas off of each

42:12

other and everybody has their own experiences.

42:15

Everybody is into something

42:17

different and researching something different.

42:20

So we can come together to try to help

42:22

each other figure it out and

42:25

there's always more to learn

42:27

always. We're never gonna

42:29

know it all peter. Sorry. We're

42:31

never gonna know it all,

42:33

No. Not in this one lifetime.

42:35

No but you have to be a commitment

42:37

to not only lifelong

42:40

learning, but to alignment to

42:42

that learning. Yeah. So it becomes

42:44

part of your basic constitution.

42:47

It's not just academic, as you

42:49

were saying earlier, it's a visceral experience

42:51

of it.

42:52

It's that education you were talking about.

42:54

It's the education. Exactly. There's

42:57

so much more I want to ask you, but time's always

42:59

a prevailing factor. Do you have

43:01

any parting words and where can

43:03

people find you?

43:05

Everything you could ever want to find

43:07

for me is at my website mediumjennylea.

43:09

com. And that's L E A instead

43:11

of L E E. I stream on Twitch.

43:14

Monday mornings is art morning. Tuesday

43:16

night is a variety night. Wednesday morning is

43:18

a reading day and Friday

43:21

nights, my big to do which is

43:23

a reading night as well. On Thursday

43:25

nights, we stream live podcasts

43:27

called the witching hours podcast on Twitch as well.

43:29

But you can find that on YouTube and

43:31

anywhere that you listen to podcasts. I got

43:33

a YouTube channel. I'm on Twitter,

43:36

Twitch Instagram, like everything

43:39

everywhere. I even made a tick tock. I

43:41

don't know if I'm regretting that yet or not. And

43:43

then I offer personal readings luckily

43:46

doing all these amazing, wonderful podcasts,

43:48

I've started to get a lot more personal

43:50

readings, which are always wonderful

43:52

experience. So all that stuff's available on

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my website.

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Do you have any passing words at all?

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I also teach all this stuff. So

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I've been teaching class because I

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was an art educator for eight years. I have

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a lot, I got a lot of teaching experience. So I teach

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this stuff too. And. A

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lot of the questions that people ask

44:12

about how to do all of this stuff yourself.

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I guess I could leave some parting words about

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that and my biggest

44:20

piece of advice for people that are just

44:23

trying to tap into their own intuition,

44:25

or they want to experience mediumship,

44:27

or They want to be a better tarot

44:29

reader or whatever, is that you have

44:32

to trust what you're getting. You can't

44:34

get in your head and overthink

44:36

what's coming through. You just have

44:39

to trust and that's very

44:41

different as opposed to

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someone who has a scientific or a logical

44:45

mind because they want to see the evidence.

44:47

They gotta have the evidence, but when you're doing

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this kind of work you got to let all that

44:51

stuff go and you just have to

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trust. Especially the channeling

44:56

stuff, man, if you can't

44:58

trust and do that surrender,

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like you were saying. It's just not even going

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to work.

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That's beautiful. Jenny, I want to thank you so much

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because you provided us with a

45:08

truly mind expanding look into a

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lifelong work as a medium and

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channeler.

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Thank you for having me.

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You're welcome. You're dedication

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to refining and ethically protecting

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your abilities to peer into the unseen

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realms for me is remarkably

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inspiring. And, while your

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experiences may strain

45:28

the credulity of hardened

45:30

skeptics they nonetheless

45:34

forces to reckon with the possibility

45:36

that there are planes of existence

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and intelligences that

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transcend our basic understanding

45:45

of this material reality.

45:47

Yes.

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For listeners, whether you view Jenny's skills

45:51

through a spiritual, scientific,

45:53

or simply entertainment lens, There

45:56

is no denying the powerful implications

45:59

of what Jenny has shared with us today.

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And I want to wish you, Jenny,

46:04

a continued elevation

46:07

and growth and awe

46:10

and wonder in your metaphysical

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journey.

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Thank you so much.

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You're most welcome. And I want

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to say rather than dismissing

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these experiences outright,

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explore, read,

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look at the mystics from various traditions,

46:28

consult with regulated extrasensory

46:31

abilities, remain open minded, because

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I do feel that

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the human experience is

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full of profound strangeness.

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Oh, yeah. That's

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what makes it fun.

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Exactly. that lies beyond

46:48

the limits of our ordinary perceptions.

46:51

Yes. But I think when we embrace the possibilities

46:54

of the unseen worlds we

46:56

may all become mediums of

46:58

a sort allowing the wonders of the metaphysical

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to enrich our physical reality.

47:04

Yes. Beautifully said. So

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I had a question for you. We got

47:08

our own podcast. Would you

47:10

be interested in coming on our podcast to

47:13

talk about your NDE?

47:14

Oh, definitely. I would love to. Yeah. Yeah.

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Okay. Awesome.