0:11

Welcome back to another episode of Trading

0:13

Secret Top. Your host, Jason Tardikin. Welcome

0:15

to the pre-market trading segment, where I'm

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going to tell you a little bit

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about our guests, an update from the

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market, and just a little update from

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my personal life. Well, here we are.

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I am live in Stagecoach right now

0:27

sitting at the Patron House. We have

0:29

some fun people that are staying on

0:31

property. That's Lana Del Rey is here.

0:33

Nikki Lane is here. Joey

0:36

is here from The Bachelor. Kelsey is

0:38

here from The Bachelor. We

0:41

have Alex Hall and Polly from Selling

0:43

OC. Nick Dio, who

0:45

is Gary Vee's VP and just a

0:48

great human, and his girlfriend, Aaron, were

0:50

here. And many others. It has been

0:52

such a blast. I've never done

0:54

Stagecoach before, but I will tell

0:56

you, this was just such, such

0:58

a special weekend. The music was incredible. The

1:00

energy was electric. And

1:03

I just like the vibes. It's just like

1:05

clean, good vibes. I don't know that

1:08

I've seen one person angry the whole

1:10

weekend, even with, you know, hundreds

1:13

of thousands of people standing in line shoulder

1:15

to shoulder, waiting to hear their

1:17

next musician. Everyone just had incredible vibes.

1:19

We got to hang out with Nikki and Brie

1:21

Bella. They gave us some passes

1:23

to go party with them. That was a blast,

1:25

too. But without further

1:28

ado, let's get into today's guest.

1:30

A very, very

1:32

creative, brilliant, beautiful human

1:35

inside and out, Kat Stichler. She

1:38

has gained her popularity through TikTok that

1:40

really popped in 2020. And

1:43

Kat's whole story is just

1:45

truly, truly, truly incredible. She

1:47

has been through the highest of highs and the lowest of lows.

1:50

And through each of those, has used them

1:53

as an opportunity to grow as an individual

1:55

and connect with others. She is

1:57

praised and beloved by the people that are in her

1:59

club. closest to circles but the people

2:01

that are on the outside of her

2:03

circles that follow her look up to

2:05

her for inspiration for that light in

2:07

times of darkness as she has experienced

2:09

that darkness isn't connected with so many

2:11

people by sharing that and when

2:14

you're just having that bad day cats

2:16

comedic skits will certainly put a

2:18

smile on your face. Now when

2:20

we recorded this episode it was

2:23

about it was early

2:25

February so just to give you a

2:27

perspective from a time standpoint and of

2:29

course in an episode like this I would

2:32

highly highly encourage you to stay tuned

2:34

to the recap one because it's a

2:36

curious Canadian a close friend and of

2:38

course in a rare rare circumstance David

2:40

was in the room David recorded with

2:42

us this also is a great episode

2:44

to catch on YouTube because the dynamic

2:46

in the room was was

2:48

so absolutely hilarious and you'll

2:50

hear more about that in the recap but

2:52

for the first time ever we did a

2:55

full intro and then after 15 minutes recording

2:57

all of us were like should we restart

2:59

and in unison everyone's like yes

3:01

and we restarted those details again are

3:03

in the recap now when we did

3:05

restart what's interesting as I was doing

3:07

the edits I didn't pick up we

3:10

refer to you'll hear me refer to the

3:12

fact that she passed on the Bachelorette why

3:15

do I say that because in the first

3:17

intro which we didn't grab we deleted that

3:19

we talked about the fact that after her

3:21

divorce she was approached

3:23

or her manager was approached

3:25

by the Bachelorette to consider

3:28

being the lead of the

3:30

Bachelorette this was news to

3:32

me I did not know that

3:34

this is around the 2021 timeframe so

3:36

I found that pretty interesting but trust

3:39

me I tell you you know I

3:41

think another thing that's that's really worth

3:43

mentioning we're talking about finances

3:45

and money I'm big on financial transparency right

3:48

I'm like let's share numbers because through numbers

3:50

we can educate we can insight we can

3:52

learn we can grow we can use other

3:54

people's stories through numbers to help navigate our

3:56

own but I am learning especially three years

3:59

into this that there is

4:01

a small sub sector within this space

4:03

of financial transparency where sharing the numbers

4:05

can actually be unhealthy and or unproductive.

4:07

Now I do think those are outlying

4:09

circumstances but they do exist and in

4:12

this episode we had some calls before

4:14

to make sure we are not stepping

4:16

into those right. Through

4:18

divorce we can learn a lot where

4:20

pre-numps or protections or insurances could have

4:23

helped people what people would have done

4:25

then knowing what they know now sure

4:27

but in some circumstances with divorce and

4:29

child support and other things these numbers

4:31

can be unproductive and we do have

4:33

guests and celebrities on all time that

4:35

can't share some of the numbers because

4:37

they're contractually obligated to not share those

4:40

numbers right. So there is a small

4:42

percentage of outlying circumstances in which we

4:44

can't get into those. So this episode

4:46

you're gonna hear numbers but there's also

4:48

some areas that we do stay away

4:50

from but the numbers you do here

4:52

will be impressive. I think the inspiration

4:54

to creativity and things you could take

4:56

away from cats journey and apply them

4:58

to yours are what will really help

5:01

you when you think about building your

5:03

brand your professional and personal and of

5:05

course financial success. So get ready trust

5:07

me when I tell you this is

5:09

an episode you can't afford to miss.

5:12

Now this does connect to this episode

5:14

because Kat has a child

5:16

now she doesn't talk about and

5:18

her child's name is MK. She doesn't talk

5:20

about MK technically being on payroll and I

5:22

don't think she is but she talks about

5:24

her mother being on payroll but I thought

5:26

it would be cool to share that there

5:29

are actually our tax implications in which

5:31

if you own a small business you

5:33

can hire your child to work for

5:35

the family firm. Now let me explain

5:37

the child's earnings are likely to qualify

5:39

for this favorable tax treatment. So as

5:41

a small business owner you can pay

5:43

your child and hire them up to

5:46

$13,850 in 2023 and that number jumped up to $14,600 in 2024 without them owing any federal income

5:57

tax. So the strategy and the thought process

5:59

is that that's because the amount of that

6:01

matches to the standard deduction for single filers.

6:03

Now, there are some things that have to

6:05

come with this, right? You have to give

6:07

them an actual job so they must be

6:09

performing some sort of work. You have to

6:12

make sure the work suits them

6:14

as a child. You have

6:16

to pay reasonable wages and then follow

6:18

employment laws and keep good records and

6:20

of course consider tax implications. But I

6:22

have a buddy who's a dentist, owns

6:24

a small business and his child does

6:27

marketing on his Instagram. By that, I

6:29

mean the child is literally in pictures and

6:31

he could pay his child that money and he

6:33

could use that as a tax write-off for the

6:35

business. So that's my little financial tip before we

6:37

get into it. And the personal update I gave

6:39

you, we were in Stagecoach this week. It was

6:41

good to see so many people from

6:44

Bachelor Nation. I ran into

6:46

Pilot Pete, Tyler, Dylan, Hannah,

6:49

Joey, Maria, Kelsey, Sean. The

6:51

list is endless and I already told you

6:53

some of the people who are staying at

6:55

this house in Patron has been an unbelievable

6:59

brand to work

7:01

with. So if you get a chance, go

7:04

check out their El Alto and El Cielo.

7:06

Those are the two high brand tequilas that

7:08

are fired. But you know what? Enough of

7:11

this Stagecoach talk, enough of the finance talk.

7:13

Let's ring in the bell with the one, the

7:16

only, Cass Dickler. Welcome

7:19

back to another episode of

7:21

Trading Secrets. Today we are

7:23

joined by entrepreneur, social media

7:26

sensation and most importantly, mother

7:28

of one, MK. Known

7:31

for her infectious energy, relatable humor

7:33

and candid storytelling, Cass Dickler. Over

7:35

the past few years, Cass has

7:37

grown her social media following to

7:39

over 12 million

7:41

strong by storytelling her life

7:43

as she seamlessly juggled parenthood

7:45

and her career. Cass'

7:48

ability to relate to her

7:50

followers by sharing her experiences

7:52

going through divorce, co-parenting and

7:54

the intricacies of motherhood through

7:56

comedy make her one of TikTok's

7:58

most popular personalities. in today's

8:00

world. In addition to her thriving

8:03

social media presence, Kat has partnered

8:05

with major brands such as Olay,

8:07

HGTV, T-Mobile, Amazon, and more and

8:09

more recently. We love this David.

8:11

Kat even added entrepreneur to her

8:13

resume by becoming a proud co-owner

8:15

of a retail beverage brand, Stir

8:18

Natural Water Enhancers, which I will

8:20

tell you guys, go check out

8:22

the YouTube because she is drinking

8:24

it right now. Today we are

8:26

going to learn all things about

8:28

Kat. How she gained the attention

8:31

of millions through living her life

8:33

every day with a comedic twist.

8:36

Kat Zichler, thank you so much for

8:38

being on Trading Secrets today. Thanks

8:40

for having me. So here's the deal David.

8:42

This is not the first try. This is

8:45

the second attempt at Jumani Mafia back there.

8:47

We got David and David is very rarely

8:49

here on the one occasion, special

8:51

occasions, but I tried to get

8:53

Kat on the podcast in Tampa

8:55

Bay. She confirmed and then last

8:57

minute she canceled on me. That's

9:00

tough. But we did get her pegged down here. We

9:02

had a dinner and we were

9:04

some friends. I was telling her about the pod, what she

9:06

can expect. And in general, I

9:08

could tell you this while she's extremely

9:10

impressive and like I said, infectious energy

9:12

on social media, the podcast

9:15

stuff gets her a little, it gets the nerves

9:17

flowing. It does for

9:19

everybody. It does for me. Not as

9:21

bad as they were in the past, but it's

9:23

always nervous to get the bright lights. They almost

9:25

need some like background music in here a little

9:27

bit. But it's great. It's great to be here.

9:31

It's okay. It's so great to see you. Now I've

9:33

been trying, I've in our little podcast meetings

9:35

that we have, we talk about guests. I

9:37

brought your name up years ago about

9:40

someone that we should get on the podcast

9:42

because Jason relies on me for the social

9:44

media space. There we go. Jason relies on

9:46

me in the social media space. Guys spend

9:48

way too much time on TikTok and Instagram.

9:50

And your content is like you said, it's

9:52

infectious. It's high energy. It's fun. And you

9:55

kind of blew up around the COVID

9:57

timeline a little bit when a lot of the. Creators

10:00

on tiktok blew up. So I've been saying your name

10:02

on the on our podcast meetings with someone that we

10:04

should get on And so you're here. So I'm feeling

10:06

good about it. Yeah, she's tough to get a hold

10:08

of that to get a hold Oh, you know you

10:10

throw a message in there. There's a lot of people

10:12

throw messages to her 10.2 Million

10:15

followers on tiktok. That's gonna be hard according to

10:17

my three. All right. Well, here you are We

10:20

got your peg down you're here before you mean

10:22

to the question. How you feeling? How are you?

10:25

Yeah, yeah, really really calm All

10:31

right, let me ask you this I think this

10:33

is very relatable for people back home because no

10:35

matter what job they're in at Some

10:37

capacity like nerves come into play

10:40

You are in front of millions of people every

10:42

single day and it surprises me that

10:45

like even jumping out of mic Makes you a

10:47

little bit nervous. So how do you what's

10:49

your advice for people back home? Like when they

10:51

get nervous in these situations Like how do you

10:53

handle yourself to keep performing like what type of

10:55

advice would you give people back home when nerves

10:57

enter? Into the equation. I feel

11:00

like nerves are good. They make you feel Alive,

11:02

I think you should be nervous. I lose

11:05

one today or 50 times All

11:11

right, well we're happy to have you on let's

11:13

talk a little bit about this this is a fun

11:15

topic ABC the bachelorette

11:17

was there any part of you that thought

11:19

about doing it? Yes. Okay, and what was

11:21

like the business strategy behind? not

11:24

pursuing that I Think

11:27

it wasn't really a business strategy was more like a

11:30

life a life

11:32

strategy I think it

11:34

was just not the right time Okay,

11:36

my focus wasn't dating a bunch

11:38

of guys. Also that sounds like

11:40

a lot of work That would

11:42

be a lot. I know people like

11:44

that sounds awesome like whoa guys and you have

11:47

to make out with all those people Probably

11:53

made out with that girl and she made out with 80

11:55

guys before you Well 30 yeah Yeah,

12:00

but also you did I think you know

12:02

this you get fully blood tests like everyone

12:04

there. I doesn't make it better It doesn't

12:07

make it. No, that doesn't bother me I

12:11

just didn't think about it. I'm like, whatever

12:13

like I mean, whatever Did you

12:15

ever see another guy on the bash? Lorette and

12:17

then he had like lipstick on his mouth and

12:20

you're like, oh, yeah, I'm percent hundred percent that

12:22

happened for sure You were like cool, man We

12:25

get my turn You

12:28

were that we're going way off the business category

12:30

here But if you were the bachelorette night one, there's 30

12:32

guys you got to at least sit with 20 of them

12:34

What percentage of them do you think you're gonna give a

12:36

kiss to? None zero, you're not

12:38

kissing one guy. I'm pretty sure it's in your

12:41

contract for you I

12:43

would put the contract. No, really? Yeah, you

12:45

would have made it or you still could

12:47

make an electric bachelorette Yeah, and they could lean

12:50

in and it would be a fun like hmm You'd

12:52

be the first person ever to not

12:54

kiss one person I want Okay,

12:57

how would you then give and we're gonna get

12:59

to business here guys? I promise but how are

13:01

you gonna give the first impression rose if you

13:03

don't like his conversation? You know, I'm gonna be

13:05

like, oh your kiss looks so good. You get

13:07

a rose You're gonna make a great life partner

13:09

because you can Mack on me good ABC's

13:13

listening you might have to call her and

13:15

she might have to be your nice That's

13:17

right, cuz I think the ratings would be

13:19

electric. I'd watch I might commit myself To

13:22

me yourself. Oh There

13:26

yeah, you know why not and now we

13:28

definitely watch there we go. All right. Well

13:30

now that we covered that Let's take a

13:32

walk down memory lane miss cat stickler I

13:34

think what's wild about your story is what

13:36

you've accomplished in such a short period of

13:38

time, right? So you went from being a

13:41

med student all these years later

13:43

over 10 million followers Making absolute

13:45

waves in the creator space like it's

13:47

really really cool but unexpectedly you're gonna

13:50

be a mother just like

13:52

talking about that time frame and some of

13:54

the stuff from like a Financial

13:56

perspective or planning perspective like where

13:58

was your head? And how did

14:00

you continue to proceed with

14:03

such confidence? I wasn't

14:05

confident when I proceeded, but I still proceeded.

14:08

So I really wanted to be a doctor and then I

14:11

actually got like a lot of nerves because I

14:13

wasn't, I think I honestly just wanted to make

14:15

my parents proud of me. I wanted

14:17

to feel like I've had value in society

14:19

and everyone's like, Dr. Lawyer, that's what you have to be.

14:23

And so I took a research job at the

14:27

VA hospital. So it was post

14:29

combat veterans and I was just

14:31

really passionate about it. It was a TMS

14:33

study which is transcranial magnetic simulation. We like

14:35

studied the brain, we did EEGs. It was

14:37

like, it was the best. It was the

14:39

best. It was so great and

14:42

I fucking loved it. Can I

14:44

test? I didn't mean to test. And before that

14:46

I did this exoskeleton trial and it was

14:48

like seeing people walk for the first time.

14:50

And I think I just really wanted to

14:52

feel like connection and just be a part

14:55

of like it's so fucking cool to see

14:57

someone walk again. I

14:59

just felt like that made me feel

15:01

value and that gave me purpose

15:04

in this life. I feel like I've always had this existential

15:06

crisis. Like whenever I'd go out, I'd be like, I'm

15:09

here. I'm wasting time. What am I doing?

15:12

What are we all doing here on this earth? Why are we all

15:14

here? And I think

15:16

I found it like through research and studying that

15:18

stuff. I was really passionate about that. And

15:21

then it was actually kind of funny. I

15:24

don't know if it's funny. I think it's funny. We

15:26

had to do EEGs and all the vets. So it was

15:28

post-combat trauma veterans and we were basically testing

15:30

if there was a correlation with TMS and

15:33

CBT. So there was like

15:35

three trials, right? So you had therapy,

15:37

TMS. You had therapy fake TMS and

15:39

you had just TMS. So we were

15:41

testing to see these are vets that had

15:43

like a lot of trauma. They weren't sleeping.

15:45

They've tried therapy. They've tried medication. They've

15:47

tried immersive therapy. They've tried everything. So

15:50

we were trying to see if this worked. Okay. When

15:53

you're doing this testing, are you still in school? So I'm

15:55

doing both. I'm doing school and I'm working. Okay. So

15:57

this is a research job then? Yes. And

16:00

it's crazy to get a job at the VA if you're not actually

16:02

a veteran Okay, it's hard to do that. It

16:04

was because I volunteered a lot at first because I just

16:06

love them We talked a little money here. What at this

16:08

point? What are you making? 40,000 a year. So 40,000.

16:10

So working with the government was really good because They

16:14

have really good benefit. I left when I

16:16

was Literally right before I

16:18

popped I saved the whole time. Okay, and then

16:20

big girl. Yeah, 31 weeks. I kept her in

16:22

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16:25

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17:56

so then you have MK think about lady

17:58

how soon When

18:00

after having MK did you

18:04

start to see some traction with all

18:06

the social media growth that you've had?

18:08

So after I had her, I was actually super... I

18:12

mean, I don't even know how old she was. She wasn't... How

18:14

old was she when I made my first video? Nine

18:16

months. Yeah. Those

18:18

nine months were a struggle. But when I

18:21

got to the nine months... When you say struggle

18:23

though, what... Tell me about it. Like I

18:25

had like PPD, I had the whole thing. It was

18:27

honestly... I think it was also my circumstances. Like I

18:29

was... You know, it was a

18:31

very brief dating time and then

18:33

I'm pregnant and I'm married and living with this person

18:36

and having a child with them and my whole... The

18:38

trajectory of my life just got derailed. And

18:41

so did this other person. You know, it's not just mine.

18:43

And I just felt like... I felt

18:46

like I was asleep. Yeah. Like I felt

18:48

like the pregnancy was like... I was super

18:50

happy and like eating

18:54

and happy. And then after I had her,

18:56

it was like what happened? Yeah.

19:00

I feel like my body was like protecting the pregnancy and then after it was like I woke

19:02

up from a dream in like someone else's life. And I had a

19:04

lot of trouble identifying with this

19:06

new person. Because you like lose your

19:08

autonomy, you lose everything. With

19:11

PPD? With PPD? I don't

19:13

know. It was everything with your advocate. Lose the life that you

19:15

used to have. And so then,

19:18

you know, your whole focus and everything shifts to

19:20

what your current life is and that it's the

19:22

biggest change that you could ever make in anything.

19:24

Changing a job seems like nothing compared

19:26

to... Yeah. I

19:29

mean, I wasn't pregnant and I didn't birth the

19:31

child. So I can't imagine the impacts it has

19:33

on your body. But... That's huge

19:35

too. Yeah. And then after, it's like, okay,

19:37

this is a new life and you'd left your job and now you have a

19:39

child to take care of and was

19:41

in the middle of COVID? It was in

19:44

the middle of COVID. So talk about change, right? Add

19:46

to that. That's an ad for what's happening in this

19:48

world. With the PPD, were you working at this point

19:50

or about this? No, this was... So I was on maternity

19:52

leave and then COVID hit. So they were like, since it

19:54

was a research study, I couldn't go back. Okay. So

19:56

they were like, wait, let's just wait. And they kept waiting and waiting and waiting. And... I

20:00

don't know, it was wild. It just really left to your

20:02

thoughts. Your body's changing. Yeah. Your life

20:04

is changing. I was very obsessed

20:07

with making sure she was alive. Like, I just didn't

20:09

sleep. I would just try to hear her breathing every

20:11

hour. And I think that just

20:13

added to me not sleeping, which added to like

20:16

all these thoughts. And it was like... So

20:18

did you start making content on TikTok

20:21

and Instagram because you were just home

20:23

and bored or did you make

20:25

anything? So you didn't even have a TikTok

20:27

before, like when you were pregnant or anything.

20:30

It was all after. All after. Wow. What

20:32

made you even sign up for TikTok? Like,

20:34

was social media any part of your life

20:36

in any capacity? I mean, I

20:38

would delete it for months at a time because it was such

20:40

a distraction. What made you actually

20:42

download the app? Such a good question. Because

20:44

everyone was doing it during COVID. Everyone was

20:46

doing the dances. Like, I still remember my

20:49

COVID TikTok playlist memory in

20:51

my head was like... Yeah, yeah. It's

20:53

when everyone was burnt over. That's what I dreamt of. I didn't

20:55

want to be on. But I was like, everyone says you have

20:58

to be on. You know what I mean? Obviously,

21:00

you've had a lot of success

21:02

in a lot of different capacities,

21:04

financially, professionally, in all different worlds

21:07

today. This was only... This is

21:09

like three years ago. When you see where

21:11

you are today with the like monstrosity

21:14

of success that you

21:16

have... Monstrosity? Monstrosity. What

21:18

would you tell that

21:21

girl going through PPD,

21:23

unemployed, dealing with some relationship issues, a

21:25

single mother? I wasn't dealing with relationship

21:28

issues. You weren't at that time? Maybe

21:31

I was. Okay. What would you tell

21:33

that person? I'm actually unsure. Probably was.

21:36

What would you tell that person? I

21:39

wouldn't tell her anything. She's going to figure it out. Okay. All

21:42

right. So then that's the golden question. How

21:44

did you figure it out? What was it? Thanks

21:47

for asking, Jason. Yeah. I'll take

21:49

over from here, boys. Let's go. So

21:51

I read this book, You Are a

21:53

Badass by Jen Sinchero. Jen, if you're

21:56

watching this, I am a big fan. I would love

21:58

to meet you one day. So

22:00

it's basically about embodying just believing

22:02

in yourself. And I just feel like I didn't believe in myself. And it

22:05

sounds so cheesy, but I literally did everything that book said. And then that's

22:07

what made me want to get a TikTok. So I was like, you know

22:09

what? And you know, people didn't want to do TikTok because they were embarrassed.

22:11

Yes. Yeah. But I got pregnant and I

22:13

was embarrassed by that because it was like, it wasn't planned.

22:16

It was this whole thing. My parents were like, what are

22:18

you doing? My friends were like, I'm

22:20

so sorry that this is happening to you. It wasn't, it

22:22

wasn't a happy time. It ended up being the

22:24

best thing ever. But it was just at that point, it

22:26

was, I had to, I was scared to come out of

22:28

my house, just show my belly. Because

22:30

it was big. They

22:33

would know I was pregnant if I walked out. No

22:35

matter how big my butt's being,

22:56

creatively like that, it helped me express myself. I

23:00

feel like I've always had kind of a hard time expressing

23:02

myself. So I think it was a cool outlet that I

23:04

never knew could be, you know, a job.

23:08

Yeah. So once you started getting going, what

23:10

are you doing? You're doing great. You're doing

23:12

great. One thing I think about is like,

23:14

especially coming from the bachelor franchise, everyone

23:17

gets, you get ABC cameras on you

23:19

for three hours, two to three hours

23:21

a week for 10 weeks. You get

23:23

this huge platform. And

23:25

you in a short period of

23:27

time have gained a mass following

23:30

larger than probably 10 to

23:32

15 leads combined, especially

23:35

on TikTok and you

23:37

did it in such a short period of time. What

23:39

do you think it was about

23:42

your videos, your storytelling? What

23:44

is like the trading secret behind

23:46

cat stickler secret sauce that made

23:49

you explode the way you did with your

23:51

videos? Good question. Cause

23:54

there's something so like literally like I'm going to

23:56

compare you to this. You think about like the

23:59

greats out there. There's something about Tom

24:01

Brady the way he read plays. There's something

24:03

about some of the best Michael Jordan, the

24:05

way his work ethic, Kobe Bryant. What

24:08

you did in such a short period of time, I

24:10

don't know, 10 people maybe in the world, 10 to

24:12

50 people in the world have done it. What was

24:14

it? I don't think

24:16

I'm special. I think it's, I don't think it

24:18

was, I think I

24:20

can make a decision and really stick with it

24:22

once I make my decision. I think that's a

24:24

superpower because I feel like a lot of people

24:26

are really back and forth. But like I decided

24:28

I'm like I'm gonna have this baby and I'm

24:30

gonna own my life and my decisions. I

24:32

was like, I'm gonna get married. Like I want her to have like

24:35

a united like father, mother in the

24:38

same household. And then when things kind of took

24:40

a curve, I made a decision, okay,

24:42

this is what I'm gonna do now and I stuck with it. But

24:44

I don't think I'm special in the sense of I

24:47

just went through a lot in a condensed period of

24:49

time and I think a lot of virality is based

24:51

on relatability. Like you see viral videos,

24:53

especially the ones, you know, there's no language. If

24:55

it's a universal understanding, those

24:57

go insanely viral, right? Like it's

24:59

like you don't need language and anyone can

25:02

connect like that. So I think I just went through

25:04

a lot in just a very

25:06

short period of time, which allowed me to connect

25:08

with a lot of different people. So I think

25:10

that was really just going through a lot. Yeah.

25:13

Do you think that if you didn't go through

25:16

what you went through that your virality and your

25:18

success and falling would be what it is today?

25:20

No. I also don't feel like I would

25:22

feel like I had anything to contribute or

25:24

to say. Yeah. Because when you go through

25:26

it, it's hard. But like you don't think it's hard in the

25:29

moment because you're just like trying to survive and you're like, I just

25:31

got to do this. Was posting

25:34

and growing your platform, is it like almost

25:37

like a coping mechanism too for what you were

25:39

going through in a way? Like did you really

25:41

like lean on, lean into it because it was

25:43

maybe one of the only things that made you

25:45

feel good or like a release? I think it

25:47

was also like questioning

25:50

because you know, some brands didn't

25:52

want to work with like, oh, well you were married now. Right.

25:55

That was why we wanted you but you're not married

25:57

anymore. Interesting stuff. So I think it was

25:59

also figuring out. I remember I asked Alice, I'm

26:01

like, am I gonna be able to

26:03

afford an apartment by myself? Because that was a huge thing. With

26:06

my ex and I, he would always handle

26:08

the money stuff and I would handle the

26:11

creative and the filming and just doing

26:13

it. And I've always had this

26:15

relationship with money that I respect it. I

26:17

really respect it. I don't

26:19

really like diving into it because it's really

26:21

overwhelming. My ex and I, we

26:24

didn't come from money, so it's not like it was

26:26

this thing. I just always felt this odd relationship

26:29

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26:32

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26:34

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26:36

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was you'd much of a you and

28:04

your has been eating come from a

28:06

but then you step into it was

28:09

all this business like what was the

28:11

first big moment where you're like whoa

28:13

wait a second. I'm making these videos

28:15

online. Cool. I'm getting followers and likes

28:17

doing. Now I'm making money of what

28:19

was that and what was like the

28:21

first check he saw that you're like

28:23

holy shit I got paid that about

28:25

the do this like the first time.

28:28

Servicing Us and Iran see time so the

28:30

first one was at Christmas. ornament. I don't

28:32

my stories. In certain intercepted ice of

28:34

us when we're was that. I.

28:38

Don't know. exactly Zero like. Or. And

28:40

Twenty Twenty One. Choice way

28:42

for. Three

28:45

years ago And that. And

28:47

this woman had maybe send me ornaments and

28:49

or sooner. fifty dollars. That got me so

28:51

excited. And I think you should be just

28:53

as excited on Chancellor Hundred. Like like really

28:55

just really respect and appreciate. That work as much as

28:57

he was a huge deal. Here, But that was

28:59

the first I was like oh my boss. And

29:02

making a difference in her small. Business And

29:04

then when I actually got

29:06

my manager I saw me

29:09

here. I best friend Royal

29:11

our I just. Love this woman!

29:14

I don't I just. Saw horses

29:16

cows. What year was it that you

29:18

said working with Catholics? Twenty twenty servicing.

29:21

See you guys started work The cat

29:23

went viral. Seventy thousand and three or

29:25

four hundred thousand tic.i want to give

29:28

people back on ours is cast manager,

29:30

extensive resume in the marketing and Mary

29:32

how you get my name's working with

29:34

A we Beaver the biggest players out

29:37

there and then was he baby soon

29:39

A D P I went through that

29:41

her own boutique. where to begin with

29:44

a lot of things. very. Dark smoke.

29:46

I gotta ask you for the. Tell.

29:48

when she was working with at that point. Tag.

29:52

You're. just up and coming so did

29:55

you have to do after ask her

29:57

to work with you did you have

29:59

to hit certain threshold, like what did

30:01

that look like? So she like basically

30:03

reached out to me in DMs and I was like,

30:05

hey, do you want to FaceTime? That's

30:07

how I communicate with human beings. And

30:09

she was like, sure. And then I'm like

30:12

literally like breastfeeding and came like, hey girl,

30:14

she was Australian. I'm like, oh my

30:16

God, you're Australian? I didn't

30:18

understand how was... No, it was funny. I

30:20

saw a video she did that E! News posted.

30:22

It was the Peach Milkshake one. I think a

30:24

lot of fans know this very well, this video.

30:27

And I just knew she had talent and

30:29

I wasn't looking to do this, but I

30:31

just wanted her to know, girl,

30:33

you've got it. You have to go after this and

30:35

I'm sure agents and managers are going to be circling

30:38

and they're going to see it what I see as

30:40

well. And you she had what it took because I've

30:42

worked with the world's best, right?

30:44

Brady, Hailey Bieber, Rosie Huntington-Whiteley. And

30:47

so I'm very good at spotting talent. So I just

30:49

wanted her to know you've got

30:51

what it takes and you should

30:53

go after this. This is something you really

30:55

should pursue. So you saw the It Factor

30:57

in Kat and that's... And I saw the

30:59

It Factor in Alice. Okay. So

31:01

how did you get Alice to work with you then? Well,

31:03

Alice told me like what to ask all these brands

31:06

that so like these agencies that wanted to sign these. Yeah.

31:09

And they take like an extra 15% off the back end.

31:12

And I was like, I just like Alice. And

31:14

I called her back and I was like, so I did what

31:16

you said. And I

31:19

interviewed all these people and I just really want to

31:21

work with you. This is huge. Having A, someone who

31:23

believes in you because she's

31:25

also an extension of me and she

31:27

represents me and it's my livelihood. Like

31:30

she also takes care of that. Like

31:32

that's a huge responsibility. You have to

31:34

trust whoever is your

31:36

agency. You have to. How they

31:39

get back to brands, how they respond, how quickly

31:41

they respond, what they say when they turn a

31:43

brand down, what they say when they're negotiating. Like

31:45

it's a huge dance. And

31:47

if your agent or your manager isn't doing a

31:49

good job, it's going to reflect poorly on you. And

31:52

it kind of goes into you are who you surround yourself with. So it

31:54

is who you are. And I asked her,

31:56

I was like, so what is it? Because she was, you know, playing

31:58

Hard to get. I

32:01

was like how much do I need to make for you to do

32:03

this for the them. And. Then

32:05

she's all mean as I have I a a

32:07

Jimmy Sexton you know, like license in of the

32:09

hell. Am I can tell you how much she said classes are. Your

32:11

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32:14

far as I like see I'm

32:16

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32:18

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32:20

How much to some was malice me

32:22

to may know? how much do ah

32:24

much says tell me how is it

32:26

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32:29

the idea. How much does Ellis's Alice

32:31

is alice as to make to make

32:33

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32:35

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32:37

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32:39

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She says the number she needs to make. You

34:05

say what? So then, yeah. Let's

34:07

fucking go. Okay. So that moment

34:09

right there, what did you... Obviously now

34:11

you're in full business mode. You've got to start

34:13

monetizing. What did you do to do it? Or

34:16

what did you change? I got a big

34:19

box and I broke it up and it was a big

34:21

cardboard paper and I wrote down everything I had to do.

34:23

What did you write down? I wrote down minutes. I

34:27

wrote down, I need to sit down and focus and edit

34:29

for this amount of time. I need to film during this

34:31

time and when MK naps, I need to like clean

34:33

the kitchen. Also, it was a very small apartment. So I

34:36

wanted to go like space, clean space, clean head, you know?

34:38

Yeah. Do you guys clean a lot? Yeah.

34:41

Yeah. Cool. And also, she

34:43

turned down a lot of deals. Like she was like, we're going to have to say

34:45

no a lot. Yeah. It's kind of like dating, I think.

34:48

It's like you got to just go through the weeds

34:50

like, no, sorry, no, sorry, no, sorry. Like don't just

34:52

say yes to the first person that asks you out,

34:54

ladies. So do it. Say no,

34:56

actually, to the first person. She

34:59

said no a lot and I'm like, hey, just

35:01

checking in. Look at these

35:03

numbers. You keep turning down these deals. We

35:06

haven't been making anything worse lately. This is

35:08

my income. And she's like, this is just

35:10

the always come back. And they came

35:12

back just like they always come

35:14

back. They always come back. And it was like

35:17

they came back even better. I was like, whoa.

35:20

So it was a lull period. But

35:22

I had full like faith and trust in her. I

35:24

got a question. I need you to come to the mic here. Come

35:26

to the mic. This is the question I have for you. So

35:29

people need to see you. Yeah. People

35:31

need to see you. Here is my question for

35:33

you. So six months she had to she

35:35

had to earn this amount for you to work

35:37

with her. What would that have

35:40

taken? What's the blueprint to do

35:42

what she had to do to earn that? I said,

35:44

OK, what brands just give me a

35:46

dream list. Tell me who is your dream

35:48

brand partner. You know, and we when

35:50

I manage someone, I'm as you can

35:52

see, we get we go see like it

35:54

becomes like a family. It's a very my

35:56

management company is very small, very boutique.

36:00

I want to be a huge agency with hundreds

36:02

of talent. I want to give very

36:04

personal, one-on-one attention, very kind of high

36:06

touch. I

36:09

mean, I feel like we just

36:11

spend so much time together. Why

36:13

aren't you guys here? We

36:16

spent so much time together and so I know her inside

36:18

and out. I know her

36:21

dance before she even says them and I

36:23

think it just really helped me understand her, what she wants.

36:25

I know what she would say yes to, what she would

36:27

say no to. Honestly,

36:30

from the beginning, it was just believing in her. I

36:32

just knew she had it and I just knew to

36:34

keep going. Don't worry, you get haters

36:36

out there and things but I'm like put the phone down.

36:39

It's very much just making sure she was

36:41

okay. It was my main priority. It wasn't

36:43

actually about the money, I'll be honest. It

36:45

wasn't. Yes, of course. I

36:48

came from corporate and I had

36:50

a salary and I was turning something

36:52

else down to then start this company to

36:55

do this. We

36:58

both want to be successful but it wasn't about

37:00

that. I was really making sure she was okay.

37:02

So I knew the rest would follow. Yeah, okay.

37:04

I got another question for you while you're here.

37:06

You've worked with megastars, right? People back home are

37:08

lost. They're trying to find their star in them

37:10

no matter what it is that they're doing. Kat's

37:13

done it exceptionally. You manage her day to day. What

37:16

do you think it is? What is

37:19

it about Kat that makes her, I

37:21

saw a list, top 10 US skincare

37:23

influencer in the entire country. 10

37:26

million plus followers. What is it

37:28

about Kat that makes her like that? And then

37:30

what advice would you give for someone back home

37:32

that's like trying to find the star in themselves?

37:34

So for Kat, it was her relatability, what she

37:36

touched on before. As we always

37:38

say, vulnerability is the root to all connection. And

37:41

she is so great that she just,

37:43

she goes there. She's so open

37:46

and sharing to her fans

37:48

and her followers and shares things that

37:50

so many people wouldn't tell their best

37:52

friend, let alone millions of

37:55

people. And the fact that

37:57

she did that allows people to connect with her.

38:00

And you know what, it became cathartic for her as well,

38:02

going through what she went through. And I was there. I

38:04

was, who are you there? I was on the 7am

38:07

flight that day. But so the fact that she doesn't

38:09

allow fear to stop her is incredible. Now

38:17

obviously everyone's different, right? Your

38:19

talent is very different. You've got a different

38:21

brand, you've got a different connection with your

38:23

followers, right? But with Kat, it

38:25

was, she had something to share and she's

38:27

such a good person. She's just probably

38:30

the kindest, loveliest,

38:33

sweetest, funniest. I mean she's just the

38:35

real deal. She's so genuine. And I

38:37

just, honestly, I just, I remember I

38:39

used to say to you during COVID,

38:42

I'm not. But remember I used to drink

38:44

COVID, I can't wait till we can start

38:46

travelling and people can meet you. The

38:49

effect you guys know, the effect she has

38:51

on people, everywhere we go, people are obsessed

38:55

with her and they should be because she's incredible. And

38:57

she should, she just needs

38:59

to know that every day. Yeah.

39:01

Wonderful. Beautiful. Lovely. And

39:04

your relatability too in helping people like I know you

39:06

talked about your passion as you were being a doctor,

39:08

like you felt really fulfilled. Like are you getting that

39:10

same fulfillment now through your videos because your content is

39:12

so relatable? Like you're helping a lot of people. Yeah.

39:15

I think I was like seeing, it was different because

39:17

I'm on a screen. I

39:19

think it's definitely affected my social

39:21

anxiety. But I think I

39:24

could see someone walk, I could see

39:26

someone get better, I could see someone

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analytically like, oh, they're sleeping more, they're not

39:30

having nightmares, they're... That

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was different. So it was more, this

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tell me when they come up to me. Yeah.

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active. I

40:55

read something that your video has to be a

40:57

certain amount of time on TikTok and

40:59

then per a million views you make a certain amount.

41:02

Do you have any idea like how long does the

41:04

TikTok have to be for you to get paid off

41:06

the creator fund? This is a new thing

41:08

TikTok did. On desktop you can schedule content which

41:10

it didn't have before. Okay. How

41:13

long does a video have to be for you

41:15

to get paid? Over a minute. Okay and then

41:17

suppose you get a million views on an organic

41:19

video. If you had to take a

41:21

shot in the dark like how much you think TikTok pays

41:23

you from a creator fund on a million views. Like

41:26

less than 2000 per million. Like 2000. Okay.

41:29

Like we have cop video that did millions

41:32

and that was 10 seconds so you don't

41:34

get anything for that. So you

41:36

get a million views on TikTok organically if it's

41:39

over 60 seconds you make a couple grand but

41:41

if you have like 10 of those videos a

41:43

month that could be like 20 grand just off

41:45

a TikTok creator fund a month which isn't I

41:47

mean that's pretty good. So the creator fund brings

41:50

some money in but the ad deals are significantly

41:52

more. Okay tell me about this.

41:54

Your videos like almost every one of them

41:56

just pops. We've watched them in preparation. They're

41:59

absolutely hilarious. Serious. What is the product?

42:01

What? Like the like write it all

42:03

out do of it's scripted you like

42:05

have editing like time talking about like

42:07

the proprietor race and for your videos.

42:09

I wish I could say something beautiful. Labor wake

42:12

up and more to this and

42:14

I write my soaps out an

42:16

Isis. That it's literally just whenever it comes

42:18

narrowed. It down because you're a writer, you're

42:20

an English major and I love writing of

42:23

the Rings. I love story of your that

42:25

storyteller. Yeah, like when you're telling me a

42:27

story there. Are one times. It's

42:30

flirting with your see what I

42:32

regret regret the series those stories

42:34

right exactly morning my the hell

42:36

of a gamma another adding that

42:38

he of so sensitive as as

42:40

a to Iraq now. Hundred

42:46

three Times about your writing and

42:48

storytelling. Fear. In English majors so used

42:51

You do all your writing before you should.

42:53

Not everything like I've done hispanic matter.

42:55

Steps were. Hilarious! A whole scared for my

42:57

mom doesn't think it's funny. Side: lottery do

42:59

like myself with her like a have to

43:01

get hurt in the class of on. So.

43:04

Sometimes I we are, sometimes psych seal descending hilarious

43:06

and like we got us on this I don't

43:08

like had this isn't that. It's honestly there's no

43:11

rhyme or reason to at a really nice and

43:13

I wish there was. and I'm think I'm trying

43:15

to make like that because or even though I'm

43:17

a crater like an appetite has a single she's

43:19

like he got a right Yeah, right right No

43:21

matter why. The your crater be so that are right. And.

43:24

I just have a hard time with that.

43:26

It's hard. It is funny all the time.

43:29

Hard to connect all the time when you're

43:31

suppressing. Her own emotions suppose some battle was

43:33

really inspired and they wanted to send in

43:35

a little falling for their business or forever

43:37

they're trying to do is it really important

43:39

default friends and used sending music when. I

43:41

grew. It wasn't through trending on is it

43:43

wasn't. Defending his against like setting a trend

43:46

of those are you. Doing a nice and

43:48

I know and then before. that's like. That's.

43:50

When it really added says follower growth you

43:52

can do that the the trends are fun

43:54

if you want to do growls. I I

43:56

think it's sights, set your own trend or got

43:58

one thing you. He started off. doing pranks. With

44:00

our agency, we rep some people that

44:02

do prank stuff and some of them

44:04

get across all social media, they get billions

44:07

of views a month. We can't get a deal

44:09

for them. They get paid off the creator fund

44:11

and some of the issues are that their pranks

44:13

have no connection to them. They have no brand.

44:15

So when they speak about a brand, people aren't

44:17

buying from them. They're just watching their pranks. What

44:20

do you think it was that got you

44:23

to move from pranks to get views to

44:25

people to say, I love

44:27

cats that Claire, I am engaged to

44:29

cats that are any more of it.

44:31

What did you transition with your content

44:33

like really start getting people connected to

44:35

just you? I

44:37

think the divorce. Yeah, when they

44:39

kind of saw me, I kind of lost

44:41

my mind a little bit. I mean, everyone wants to see if

44:45

she's gonna fail or not. So I think

44:47

it was just, they saw

44:49

me at my most vulnerable and they saw me.

44:51

I was sad.

44:53

I was so sad. Actually,

44:55

when Alice came after everything happened,

44:57

I was laughing a lot. I was

45:00

hysterical. I was in shock. And

45:02

the people were walking by like, oh, they were having

45:05

such a good conversation and I'm like,

45:07

little do they know my life is just in

45:09

180. I was losing my

45:11

mind. I was losing my mind. So I kind of

45:14

lost my mind in front of people and every,

45:16

but that's the thing. Like I'm not special. Like

45:18

everyone goes through this in

45:21

their own way. Like you go through your

45:23

pain and stuff. Mine just happened to be shared. You

45:26

mentioned your divorce. I just want to ask

45:29

you the book I wrote is about love

45:31

and money. Are there any lessons on love

45:33

and money, conversation, communication, maybe things you might've

45:35

done differently going through a divorce

45:37

and being a mother? I

45:40

am so happy. I have MK

45:42

like she's the best thing in my life. But

45:44

whoever you decide to have kids with you are tied

45:46

with for life. I think I

45:49

was naive to that, but I would, you know, do it

45:51

all again. I love her. I'm just saying that to girls

45:53

out there and guys out there, just human

45:55

beings out there would always handle like the money side.

45:57

And I would just like, like

45:59

the money. and be creative and be funny

46:01

and that was just

46:04

I felt very naive after everything

46:06

happened. I hated feeling like that.

46:08

I just felt like I had

46:10

a beer in the headlights and I just hate feeling like

46:12

I felt sorry for myself and I hated that. I would

46:14

ask you to send me books. I was like I need

46:16

to learn like what am I doing? Where

46:18

is this money going? How do I invest? You know the

46:21

ostrich when it's like about to get killed it just puts

46:23

its head in the sand? That's how I felt

46:25

with money. Over half a couple

46:27

have financial infidelity which is like

46:29

cheating through money based on

46:31

the lessons. So it's doing things deceptive

46:33

with money that the other person doesn't

46:35

know about. And spending and not telling

46:37

maybe it might be on gambling, might

46:40

be on drugs, could be

46:42

on whatever. I wouldn't you know if it's a joint

46:44

account? Well I think the question

46:46

comes from you saying like he handled

46:49

the money. Like through your lessons did

46:51

you learn was there any type of

46:53

financial infidelity or financial fraud happening?

46:56

No. Next

46:59

question. Okay next question. Alright we'll move

47:01

on from love and money but we'll

47:03

stay on the topic of family. You

47:05

already mentioned your mom. She's a star.

47:07

She's hilarious. We've seen the videos. She's

47:09

hilarious. God bless that woman. Okay a

47:11

question I have for you then.

47:13

Has your mom got any paid deals? No

47:17

but she should. She should. She's on

47:19

payroll. Okay. Mom is on payroll.

47:21

Okay so there are different tax strategies where you

47:23

can put family on payroll. Is that something you

47:25

did? Yes. Wow.

47:27

You do know you

47:29

read that finance. I'm

47:31

really smart Jason. Smart,

47:33

quick, funny. Keep going. No.

47:36

You were saying? Yeah. No but

47:40

my mom yeah. We owe it all to mama.

47:43

She's the best. I love that woman so much. Are

47:45

those your most consistently popular videos

47:47

like to do the best or with your mom? I think my

47:50

first Hispanic mother video I was like people are

47:52

gonna think she was really strict on me but

47:55

like everyone was like oh my god my mom

47:57

does that too. I'm like oh my god you

47:59

too? She makes me eat food

48:01

that's expired. Oh my God. Did you ever get

48:03

sick? And they're like, yeah. So I was just

48:05

like connecting. I remember the first

48:07

one, I was like, it's always when you're making videos

48:09

like this, you don't know if people will connect. Like

48:11

you don't know if you're the only one. That's why

48:13

those crazy viral videos that it's like something so specific

48:15

and everyone's like, oh my God, me too. That

48:18

does so well. So I think that was leverage

48:20

that I had with going through what I went through. They're like, oh my

48:22

God, she's going through a divorce? Me too. She's

48:25

a kid? Me too. Breakup?

48:28

Me too. I really

48:30

like to cover my bases. Yeah. During

48:32

a day, like when you're just going through things

48:34

and like something weird happens that you're like, oh,

48:36

I guarantee this happens to everything. Do you write

48:39

that down as an idea for like the next

48:41

video? Sometimes. Interesting. Now

48:43

a big video, you already mentioned

48:45

it, it went super, super viral

48:47

just recently was this big NYPD

48:49

video. Oh, nah. Oh,

48:51

nah. I'm not trying to nah. So there's

48:53

this video of you for anyone that hasn't

48:55

seen it. I think it has over 30 million

48:57

views, at least on Instagram. So I can't even

49:00

imagine what TikTok is. You're wrong. It's

49:02

actually 68 million on Instagram. 68 million.

49:05

Okay. It's

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But you're walking around the cop and

50:23

people totally connect to this.

50:25

I got to ask because there's a lot of backlash with

50:28

it. What do you mean what

50:30

backlash? We'll talk about that. Okay. But

50:32

my first question is... Is this your clickbait? And just

50:34

be like, guys, watch this. You're gonna talk about the

50:36

cop. She's gonna talk about the cop. Actually,

50:38

the cop is here. Come

50:41

on out. And so is

50:43

his girlfriend. Okay,

50:45

so why? What

50:48

I'm trying to get at with a lot of these

50:50

questions are people back at home as she's chomping on

50:53

her eyes in the microphone. People

50:55

back at home can start to like learn from your success.

50:58

Why is that video go? Why are you 16 million

51:00

people watching that? Why? What's

51:03

the answer, Alice? I think it was

51:05

three things. One. Can I also note

51:07

Alice found this

51:09

man. She

51:11

said I was talking to someone. Is

51:13

Alice the genius behind you? Alice

51:16

is Kat Zichler. Everyone go follow

51:18

Alice. You guys think it's me. Alice's

51:21

on you. We were

51:24

in Times Square in New York and I was like

51:26

taking a picture with this beautiful family and then Alice

51:28

was like interrupting me. I'm like, this is so not

51:30

like Alice. I'm like, Alice, what? I'm busy. I'm

51:33

like talking to people. She's like, Kat, right there, right there. Go,

51:35

go, go. I'm like, because I wanted to do a cop video.

51:37

So there was a trending audio and- So you do like

51:39

a trending audio. I did like a trending audio. But I

51:41

knew I was getting a police escort. So

51:43

you got to do the trending audio based on, you know, what's going on. What's

51:47

going on? Okay. And then I

51:49

saw the cop. I'm like, all right, nice to meet you everyone. I'm gonna

51:51

go film this really quick. It was

51:53

a three minute interaction. Okay. We

51:55

did not touch each other. Right. Obviously

51:58

Kat looked absolutely stunning. She was literally about to- You

52:00

did, Kat. You looked beautiful. Times Square Stage hosts

52:02

the ball drop. So that was amazing with K

52:04

Jewelers, Love UK. Love UK,

52:06

I love UK. Okay. There was obviously

52:08

at the time TikTok had all these

52:10

cop videos, right? So you see thousands

52:13

of these videos of girls walking around

52:15

a policeman and some times

52:17

the policeman. Everybody knows them, I

52:19

couldn't curl up. That's the idea.

52:22

Exactly. Some policemen interacted with

52:24

the creator and some didn't. So

52:26

some weren't, some didn't. You know, Kat looked incredibly

52:28

beautiful. This young man looked

52:30

very nice. He was a stud. He

52:32

was, you know, all up for it.

52:34

Very happy to do it. It was

52:37

literally a three minute interaction. Like she

52:39

said, they never even touch. It

52:41

was Times Square. It was New Year's Eve. You

52:43

could see the lights around. It was full of

52:45

these elements. It kind of connected. It was New

52:47

Year's, you know, it's just it

52:49

had all the elements, right? It was how

52:51

Kat walked around, looked. It was just it

52:53

was very engaging. It was super quick. It

52:55

was like 10 seconds. But then life went

52:57

crazy. It was wild what happened. So that

52:59

went crazy. Let's talk about this. A viral

53:01

video like that. Tell me the

53:03

areas good and bad. How does that impact

53:06

business? If you want to know,

53:08

actually, an hour after that video went live, I

53:10

did a deal because

53:12

of that video. Interesting. Was

53:14

the deal larger or smaller than Kat? Huge. One

53:16

of the biggest deals. Well,

53:19

I won't say who or what or whatever,

53:21

but we were working that

53:23

night and it was almost midnight.

53:25

But obviously, people could see there was a

53:27

magnet put a blank there. Now,

53:30

did we know he was single? No, there

53:32

was no conversation about that. But, you know,

53:34

they just followed each other on Instagram. That's

53:36

that's all that happened. Right. Nothing bad. Literally,

53:40

an hour later, a

53:43

very, very nice offer was made for if

53:46

something ever had progressed with the two

53:48

of them. Oh, wow. But we never

53:50

got that far. OK. Wow.

53:53

What was it? Well, I got

53:56

that note. Yeah. All right. What

53:58

gives the bad? What bad? came

54:00

from that video business wise. I

54:02

mean, I don't know, people were like, oh, she's a

54:04

homeworker because he has a girlfriend. But again, I get

54:06

nervous with doing stuff like this because you can see

54:09

everything I do, right? Yeah. They

54:11

saw a 10 second video based on someone saying, oh, that's

54:13

my boyfriend. Someone asked me to take that video down. I

54:15

go to my DMs. No one asked me to take any

54:17

video down. And I'm like, wait, what's happening? And then this

54:19

whole narrative gets. I

54:22

mean, that's social media. It's just perception. Everything

54:25

is perception. Interesting. Is he interested?

54:27

I'm not saying anything. No. No,

54:29

he has to know. All right. All right.

54:32

Well, we'll leave that. You guys can go watch

54:34

the YouTube and just get a little reaction. The

54:36

YouTube video here, people can see you. This is

54:39

on YouTube? Oh yeah. They can

54:41

see your reaction and then make their own distinction. Okay.

54:44

Cat, stickler. This has been one

54:47

of the most interesting podcasts. A wild

54:49

one. You're

54:51

a fascinating human. I get why people

54:53

just want to keep watching it. You're

54:56

very special. You have something very special.

54:58

It's very unique. It's different. It's great.

55:00

It's you. So we got to wrap

55:02

with the trading secret. Actually, we have Alice here too.

55:05

So we'll get one from you. It is a lesson

55:07

on money or career navigation or just even life. Can't

55:09

get from a professor. Can't learn on a

55:12

YouTube tutorial or TikTok tutorial. You can only

55:14

get from your experience. So we'll start with

55:16

you, Alice. A trading secret from Alice, given

55:18

all your career track, maybe working with Cat,

55:20

what would the trading secret be for people back

55:22

home? Okay. So I

55:25

think a lot of people follow this rule where you

55:28

pay yourself first. And by that, I mean put

55:30

10% or 20% of whatever

55:32

you can into a savings

55:35

account, high interest savings account. Something

55:37

where you've got money for a rainy day. Then you

55:39

go through, you pay your mortgage, your rent, your grocery

55:42

bills, your car, your petrol, all those kinds of

55:44

things. But you always want to pay yourself first

55:47

and just get that money out of the way

55:49

when you get your paycheck or however you get

55:51

paid. Because compound interest is going

55:53

to be your best friend in life. That's

55:56

a great, hell of a trade secret and one that's in

55:58

the book. So Alice, we are a- I feel

56:00

like you and I

56:02

are aligned. I agree with Alice's secret.

56:05

Chat, trading secret. You've gone

56:07

through a lot. You've come from nothing

56:09

and now you literally... I haven't come from nothing. I'm

56:13

kidding. You

56:15

built everything you have. Let's rephrase that. You

56:17

built everything you have and now you have

56:19

the world at your fingertips. There's so much

56:21

to look forward to. What's a trading secret?

56:23

You can get people back home. Like

56:26

honestly, dealing with finances, I was avoiding that because I felt like

56:28

I didn't understand it. It was overwhelming to me. It

56:30

felt like this huge shadow and I was like, I don't

56:32

want to do it that. But it's not empowering. It's

56:34

empowering when you tackle that. It's empowering when you learn

56:36

how to use a new software. I'm like, I'm not

56:39

tech savvy. I don't know. But it's

56:41

empowering to learn these things that help further you. And

56:43

also it's like having motivation. MK is my

56:45

motivation and she... I just really want to make her proud and I

56:48

want to... And also

56:50

just having a self-awareness to know your values. So

56:52

they're not so easily swayed

56:54

by another human being or like by someone

56:57

else's opinion. I think that's huge because

56:59

I feel like I know who I am and I know the mistakes

57:02

I made. I know why I made them and I learned from

57:04

them and I know why I did them and I know what

57:06

I do and why I do it and I know who I

57:08

am and it helps me whenever anything...

57:10

All that outside noise helps shut it out. So

57:13

that helps I think also in life. I

57:15

think that's great. I think that's great. I'm going to

57:17

wrap with this. I want you and me quickly and

57:20

then we're going to wrap to give a trading secret.

57:22

What is one secret you've learned from Kat either today

57:24

in this interview or from her success? To

57:27

me the fascinating part is like you

57:29

leaning into your social media at

57:32

the hardest time of your life was the thing that

57:34

saved you. And I think that

57:36

that's like really powerful is if you're

57:38

struggling you got to lean into something

57:40

that makes AU feel

57:42

better and then if it can also

57:44

make other people feel better it's going

57:46

to keep motivating you to do it.

57:48

So I think leaning into something like

57:50

that when times are tough and finding

57:52

what that is for you and even

57:54

when times are good leaning into something

57:56

that impacts others is a pretty powerful

57:58

message. I think that's a really

58:00

good one. I think that's a really good one. Mine would

58:03

be your resilience. I think you've seen

58:05

a lot, you've gone through a lot, you keep

58:07

pushing forward and you keep growing. I think that's

58:09

amazing. And I think the second one is you

58:12

are truly, truly unapologetically yourself at

58:14

all times. The same person that

58:16

we walked into this door with

58:18

is the exact same person on

58:20

this mic. Like there is no

58:22

stage present, there is no fake

58:24

tone. She has no stage present.

58:27

Like literally, it's like actually none.

58:30

We actually do work on that. It is absolutely

58:32

incredible. It was alarming. It's like

58:34

no switch, no nothing. Wild. I've

58:37

never seen people say it and this is

58:39

not that yet. No, no, no. You are

58:41

like 24 seven consistent. And that's why they

58:43

love you. And that's very special, never lose

58:45

that. So that's my training secret. I've learned

58:48

from Kat Stichler. Alice, Kat, David,

58:50

what a great episode of trading secrets

58:52

before we wrap, because we got another

58:54

podcast that's coming here for everyone back

58:56

at home. I don't know how they

58:59

don't follow you or maybe they don't know

59:01

your handles, but if they don't, where can they find everything

59:03

you have going on? On

59:05

the internet? What do you mean? Like

59:07

Kat Stichler. Kat Stichler. Kat

59:10

Stichler. Okay. I

59:12

don't think they... I have an accent right now.

59:15

I don't know what that came from. I

59:17

don't think my YouTube is Kat Stichler. It's Kat Stichler 5757.

59:21

Go follow her at YouTube Kat Stichler

59:23

5757, TikTok Kat

59:25

Stichler. I'm not like

59:27

an info man. That's what I do. Go

59:30

check out Stirr. Stirr is the

59:32

company she has ownership in. Go

59:34

check it out. You have equity in

59:36

that. Anything else before we wrap? No. No.

59:39

Thank you for tuning into another episode of trading

59:42

secrets, one you can't afford to miss. We

59:46

are closing in the bell to the Kat

59:48

Stichler podcast with the one

59:51

and only, the curious Canadian. Lot

59:53

of action, lot to cover. I

59:55

am at the edge

59:57

of my seat waiting for the...

1:00:00

Serious Canadian to chime in for this

1:00:02

one because you to curious Canadian. To.

1:00:05

Cause. We're very close friend

1:00:07

and three because it a rare rare

1:00:10

occurrence. David, you are in the room

1:00:12

podcasting with us. So what do you

1:00:14

think? And were Yeah, what he got

1:00:17

he. I mean there's. No.

1:00:19

More interesting recaps for me than

1:00:21

the ones where I am on

1:00:23

the episode essence. There were never

1:00:25

more interesting episodes than being in

1:00:27

the room recording this episode of

1:00:30

which will get into Jason of

1:00:32

but listening of back honestly just

1:00:34

brought back like feelings and memories

1:00:36

and like belly laughs from from

1:00:38

being in that room. So if

1:00:40

you don't mind Jason. Ah, I

1:00:42

see like a scarcities. I gotta paint the picture for

1:00:44

the viewers at home of cow what I'm talking about.

1:00:46

If you're go with that. Pain. It

1:00:49

pain a baby or it. So when

1:00:51

we when we recap or when we

1:00:53

recorded it was in February late February.

1:00:55

with that was that the for that

1:00:57

was not the first confirmed not the

1:00:59

first time that you had met cat

1:01:01

correct. Confirm. So I had

1:01:03

just for time stamp perspective I had

1:01:05

met her two weeks before that for

1:01:07

the first time I was in Tampa

1:01:09

Bay to the vice president of our

1:01:12

agency was getting married and you know

1:01:14

what loud time what I do with

1:01:16

ah my travel schedule David as you

1:01:18

know is I will see where I'm

1:01:20

traveling to and then I'll try and

1:01:22

understand who's in that city and trying

1:01:24

schedule podcast with them soils in Tampa

1:01:27

as it Okay how do I make

1:01:29

a fun trip somewhat connected to work

1:01:31

and recognize that. Ah Rodman Cow Skis.

1:01:33

there are Camille his girlfriend sometimes there and

1:01:35

Cat Stickers in Tampa Bay and both Rotten

1:01:38

Tomato are out of town so I

1:01:40

reach out the cat to try podcast with

1:01:42

her and we had some issues with

1:01:44

scheduling it in. Her timing is got booked

1:01:46

for this deal as she had to go

1:01:49

somewhere that weekend for so we couldn't

1:01:51

podcasts but actually met her. I was like

1:01:53

ice well why don't we just have a

1:01:55

great why we grab lunch and I'll

1:01:57

talk to balance issues like really curious though.

1:02:00

The podcast is like what we'd actually dog

1:02:02

was around. We grab lunch since actually I'll

1:02:04

tell you like what it's about. So the

1:02:06

first time at or about fourteen days before

1:02:08

this okay and and since then obviously since

1:02:10

you recorded you avast. He. Gets seen each

1:02:12

other again, I'll get your your job

1:02:14

and words like obviously the Us. For

1:02:17

your job of word my time stamps on

1:02:19

decided by parker. Pasadena.

1:02:22

Sense that? Yeah, okay, I'll get

1:02:24

more people. You. Know being in

1:02:26

that room was hilarious and j I think

1:02:28

that you could kind of. Add. To

1:02:31

this to but ah. It was

1:02:33

just I was there I was excited be on a

1:02:35

podcast I also with a little hung over because we're

1:02:37

We were in Chicago with some friends at a time

1:02:39

when who recorded. And I was

1:02:42

nervous as can be. And to

1:02:44

see look over and see cat

1:02:46

as nervous as me was a

1:02:48

hilarious be extremely unexpected. And.

1:02:51

Then you put a little fairy dust of i'm looking,

1:02:53

I'm looking at her she's looking to use you're going

1:02:55

on her Everyone's we're going to be a bike. I

1:02:57

think she likes him. A pretty. Sure, he

1:02:59

likes her. And. We have

1:03:01

podcast together add it was like the funniest.

1:03:03

it was just so funny was like what

1:03:06

are those like. Would. You like you.

1:03:08

You just can't stop laughing. Like you

1:03:10

can't stop giggling. Doesn't matter what anyone

1:03:12

says, it was hilarious. You. Know

1:03:14

when you're in those mothers moments in

1:03:17

life for there's so much intangible energy.

1:03:19

ah, whatever that conglomerate of that energy

1:03:21

is. But there's so much that like

1:03:23

you'd resist don't remember or you'll never

1:03:26

forget that feeling of being in there.

1:03:28

That's what I've felt like where this

1:03:30

episode and I think because we knew

1:03:33

from behind the scenes we knew coming

1:03:35

into this that cat was really really

1:03:37

nervous about this. She rarely does like

1:03:40

live podcast like this. She talks on

1:03:42

the episode were talking new camera. And

1:03:44

for millions of people on a daily basis

1:03:46

doesn't faze her it off. But the idea

1:03:48

of Like The Lives Lights, The cameras and

1:03:51

I think Avi it are a lot of

1:03:53

things David you alluded to. but also the

1:03:55

subject of like Money was her like this

1:03:57

this is the such he never talks about.

1:04:00

The as uncomfortable as so there is

1:04:02

like all these moving parts about the

1:04:04

added. I'll never forget this we deleted

1:04:06

guys I won't say we did a

1:04:08

fifteen minute part of the south South

1:04:10

and we literally me same as the

1:04:12

same time we go. So we

1:04:14

just start over. Everyone in unison was like

1:04:16

yeah, start from the top, but I didn't

1:04:18

foliage else wander back on a. Bad

1:04:21

idea. I do so much

1:04:24

for joining us today as

1:04:26

it was twenty seconds of

1:04:28

courage gets no words. They

1:04:30

were a David like. This.

1:04:33

Is when you're supposed to say i

1:04:35

thank you for having me started freaking

1:04:37

out in laughter like this. It was

1:04:39

so bizarre spell his whole area below

1:04:41

flawed the most people are like oh

1:04:43

thank you so much that a try

1:04:45

to bring you everywhere Shoes I. I.

1:04:49

I I can say you say

1:04:51

to influence have two choices That

1:04:54

it's I'm sitting as. A

1:04:57

result, I have a when we're that little

1:04:59

bit earnest before we started again. Ah

1:05:01

I was found to be italic I'm nervous to

1:05:03

I got the bright lights like. She's.

1:05:05

I didn't. Just like you like you said is

1:05:08

said David If we if we were on

1:05:10

a phone of your face I'm I'd be crushing.

1:05:12

This is a on not use having a microphone

1:05:14

were face. I'm not used to two guys

1:05:16

like looking at me cause I'm trying to answer

1:05:18

questions let alone the type of the questions that

1:05:21

they are. So I thought it was so

1:05:23

incredibly like it was. it's Texas like that. Room

1:05:25

was infectious having out there who obviously is a

1:05:27

boss and her own re coming on the

1:05:29

podcast through and through. In and out of the.

1:05:32

Of. The interviews it was so good at

1:05:34

just listening of back was so funny Jason.

1:05:36

For. The people at home. You have to do this. You.

1:05:39

Have to put on our trade secrets

1:05:41

instagram with be a story or when

1:05:43

this episode comes out you have a

1:05:45

screenshot of the use of the recording

1:05:48

and it's right. Wouldn't the recordings wrath

1:05:50

and like right? Okay and done. It's

1:05:52

like you and I look at each other

1:05:54

and it just like what the hell just

1:05:57

have to. I was that was that. Now

1:05:59

I was. It's just because it

1:06:02

was there were just like

1:06:04

stories flying around everywhere and then once

1:06:06

Cac on her rhythm Oh my gosh,

1:06:08

she's amazing But in the beginning

1:06:10

it was hilarious and the listeners probably right now are

1:06:12

like we talking about that was a clean 40-6 We

1:06:18

did some cleanup with this but there were some

1:06:20

good editing and it all worked out But let's

1:06:22

talk about this because I think there's a lot

1:06:24

of I think there's so many takeaways from cat

1:06:27

I talked about in the intro a little bit but thumbs

1:06:30

know some of the things we're learning David It's

1:06:32

like having financial conversations are typically so healthy

1:06:34

so productive so educational and insightful We

1:06:36

know that given some of the experiences

1:06:38

that cat have has had through

1:06:41

divorce and paying child support You

1:06:43

know that some of these conversations legally

1:06:45

are better not had than being had

1:06:47

and so we could step into some

1:06:49

of the numbers But a lot of

1:06:52

them would have actually been unproductive or

1:06:54

unhealthier put her in a worse position

1:06:56

So I think it's good that we're learning things

1:06:58

like that There are time and places to have

1:07:01

the money conversations with certain subjects and sometimes there's

1:07:03

not but we did get some good numbers

1:07:05

here Right. I think we got you know It's

1:07:07

interesting to learn that when creators do

1:07:10

a video organically that do about a million

1:07:12

views or more They'll get like two to

1:07:14

three thousand bucks from tick-tock. We talked about

1:07:16

music integration. I could tell you for our

1:07:18

agency We have someone that has five hundred

1:07:20

thousand followers and less that is getting paid

1:07:23

Someone in the five to ten K range

1:07:25

to just do any pick-tack they want anything

1:07:27

they want They just have to implement this

1:07:29

one song for exposure and again five to

1:07:31

ten K for that And then

1:07:33

we learned a big number we learned that Alice

1:07:36

approached Kat and said I'll be your person But

1:07:38

I'm gonna have to make more we guessed a

1:07:40

hundred and 250 and she said higher So there's

1:07:42

still were some good numbers here while there was

1:07:44

even more Insight into how

1:07:47

to connect with people and how

1:07:49

your real relatability can build a

1:07:51

powerful powerful brand No, I

1:07:53

mean the first off on the numbers I

1:07:55

mean for Alice to say for me to

1:07:57

work for you. I have to be making more than 50,000

1:08:00

out of this I mean that is just an astronomical

1:08:02

number Is it fair

1:08:04

to say that if I let's say I wanted

1:08:06

you to rep me and you said the same

1:08:09

number Is it fair to say that that could

1:08:11

take I mean realistically? I

1:08:13

mean that could take first off there's

1:08:15

no guarantee that ever gets done But that

1:08:17

could take well over a year a year and a

1:08:19

half just grinding could take a lifetime

1:08:22

Man, like it's but it's also a

1:08:25

testament to Alice like yeah, I was

1:08:27

talked about I've worked with Haley Bieber

1:08:29

I've worked with Tom Brady like Alice

1:08:31

has the eye for what it takes

1:08:33

and she saw something special in cat

1:08:35

And I think in this episode my

1:08:37

biggest takeaway is that? The

1:08:40

the fun we just even had in this recap That

1:08:44

is cat superpower and I've dealt

1:08:46

with David hundreds and probably thousands

1:08:48

of public figures at this point

1:08:50

And I've never ever

1:08:52

ever seen someone truly that

1:08:54

just Mike's camera

1:08:58

action in the uber walking

1:09:00

into the studio walking out no

1:09:03

matter which version it is It's

1:09:06

the same true cat and I've

1:09:08

never seen that in this space

1:09:10

even me welcome back Do I

1:09:12

feel all stage president bullshit and

1:09:14

so I think that's her superpower though and

1:09:16

David I've seen You

1:09:18

know in person people Come

1:09:21

up to her and it's not and they

1:09:23

come in the swarms and it's not Can

1:09:27

I get a picture get a picture? It's I'm

1:09:29

a single mother. I Lost

1:09:31

hope in life and you gave me that hope it's

1:09:34

I Was in

1:09:36

a terrible dark place and couldn't see the light

1:09:39

and I connected to your dark place and you

1:09:41

gave me light It's I heard one person say

1:09:44

you are a living goddess is what she

1:09:46

said So I think you know we saw

1:09:48

her in the studio. We saw her panicking

1:09:50

We saw her like uncomfortable, but then coming

1:09:53

together in such beautiful ways And

1:09:55

it's interesting to also see the

1:09:57

outside when they connect with her

1:10:00

her and talk to her the couple

1:10:02

times that I've seen it, it's

1:10:05

not just, wow, you have TikTok followers,

1:10:07

it's you've truly changed my entire life

1:10:09

and outlook. And there's something we can

1:10:11

all learn from that. A hundred percent

1:10:14

there is, and we better learn

1:10:16

from it too. And if you're listening to

1:10:18

this episode, I couldn't believe the

1:10:20

amount of the array of different

1:10:22

relate relatabilities that she kind of

1:10:25

referenced through it. Like I loved how she

1:10:27

said as well, like I'm not special. Like

1:10:29

she said, I'm not special two or three times the

1:10:32

episode. She talked about, you know,

1:10:34

that she wasn't confident when all this bad

1:10:37

stuff, but you said, what would you like,

1:10:39

what would you tell that person? Nothing. Like

1:10:41

they'll figure it out. Like I loved that

1:10:43

answer. Yeah. I loved my favorite answers.

1:10:45

Yeah. And she was like, how did you find the

1:10:47

confidence? She's like, I wasn't confident, but I proceeded. Like

1:10:50

it's almost that same, like she's just she kind

1:10:52

of says it how it is. Like

1:10:54

she's kind of taking the attention to how it

1:10:56

is. I'm

1:11:00

just dying laughing because as Kat is

1:11:02

saying these like unbelievable motivational

1:11:04

things that are just fucking

1:11:06

unbelievable that I just hear

1:11:08

chomping at the ice bits

1:11:10

as I'm editing and I'm

1:11:13

like this person is

1:11:15

the funniest human I've ever

1:11:17

met. Like unintentionally and intentionally

1:11:19

the funniest person I've literally

1:11:21

ever met. There's a, there's

1:11:23

a sound clip when she's like 25 minutes

1:11:26

into the episode and she's like, how am

1:11:28

I doing? How am I doing? I'm like,

1:11:30

who's looking for your cats? So you have

1:11:32

30 million followers on all these platforms. You're

1:11:34

an absolute boss. You're looking over at me

1:11:36

saying, how am I doing? I'm like, thumbs

1:11:38

up. You're doing great. Like

1:11:40

this is awesome. Just keep going. David's

1:11:42

a hockey coach with 400 followers. Like,

1:11:46

you're going to ask me how you're doing.

1:11:49

It's like, you know, I'm completely in like

1:11:51

a nobody on this episode as well. So

1:11:53

no, it was, it was just her though. Like I said,

1:11:55

like there were so many

1:11:57

moments. Even I found myself when she was

1:11:59

talking. the PPD struggles of when she

1:12:02

first had MK and then going from

1:12:04

maternity leave right into COVID and her

1:12:06

research job like wasn't happening more it's

1:12:08

almost like okay like what do

1:12:10

I do now like how many people when COVID happened

1:12:12

and your job changed probably had a what do I

1:12:14

do now and what did she do she found

1:12:17

something that changed her life. She found her

1:12:19

way to express herself she found her way

1:12:21

to relate people she found her way to

1:12:23

kind of make steps and being happy in

1:12:25

her life and that happened through TikTok and

1:12:27

she stuck with it it's it's incredible man

1:12:29

like her story is really really incredible and

1:12:31

I don't doubt that people say that when

1:12:33

they see her in person and are that

1:12:35

relatable with her because she is that type

1:12:37

she cast that type of energy. Yeah

1:12:40

a hundred percent that's it's bang on

1:12:43

it was special she's special there's obviously

1:12:46

so many layers to her

1:12:48

and when she took that shot when she's like

1:12:50

you know what I'm just gonna do it and

1:12:52

she did her minutes and she time blocked and

1:12:54

she just stuck to it look

1:12:56

at what happened she changed her life

1:12:58

she changed her family's life and it's

1:13:01

really really a beautiful story from a

1:13:03

beautiful person and we laughed in this

1:13:05

episode I think at times there might

1:13:07

have been like funny happy tears in

1:13:09

this episode we were awkward in this

1:13:11

episode we were fun we were ever

1:13:13

you named like every emotion I feel

1:13:16

like it happened while

1:13:18

recording and David I think one of my favorite

1:13:20

another behind the scenes part because because guys when

1:13:23

with some of the edits like we

1:13:25

were talking so many different areas and you guys know

1:13:27

with my interviews now I like to keep them pretty

1:13:29

structured so I'd have to like do a lot of

1:13:31

as a host you have to like reel your guests

1:13:34

back if they go on a tangent in a different

1:13:36

direction back to like subject matter so you can go

1:13:38

to the next question transition at

1:13:40

the end of the episode David she

1:13:42

answers something like what I was just

1:13:45

like it was like it

1:13:47

was the biggest softball it was like oh I

1:13:49

can't so can you let everyone know where they

1:13:51

could find you and like she's like was thinking

1:13:54

she goes oh she goes she was like on

1:13:56

the internet are you saying and I just got

1:13:58

my response I go oh Oh

1:14:00

boy, literally, they're

1:14:03

not doing this. But yeah,

1:14:05

anything else, David? No,

1:14:07

she was great. It

1:14:10

was great to be in person with you

1:14:12

guys to do this episode. I will say

1:14:14

all of the edits that came out and

1:14:17

the way that I got to listen to

1:14:19

this episode back, it really encapsulates who she

1:14:21

is, how relatable she is. And I hope

1:14:23

the people at home got the energy, got

1:14:25

that infectious feeling of the giggles

1:14:27

and the laughs and what it felt like to be in that room. It

1:14:30

was an awesome time and one of those

1:14:33

memories of this podcast that I'll

1:14:35

remember because it was great. Great

1:14:41

keeping an eye on you two from afar and

1:14:43

getting little tidbits from here and there. So

1:14:47

great episode all around, two great people. The

1:14:50

curious Canadians dropping things like

1:14:52

obvious. The curious Canadians dropping

1:14:54

things like the two of

1:14:57

you. Look at that guy

1:14:59

go. Cat Stickler,

1:15:01

if you're still here on the recap,

1:15:03

you absolutely killed it. Thank you for

1:15:05

telling your story. Thank you for inspiring

1:15:07

so many people through your vulnerability and

1:15:09

some of the struggles that you've endured

1:15:11

and you continue to do it on

1:15:13

a day-to-day basis. And Alice is right.

1:15:16

You have whatever that superpower

1:15:18

is. So I think

1:15:20

something that's really cool or that we

1:15:22

can all do back home is dig

1:15:24

deep, find our superpower. And just one

1:15:27

time this week, try the Cat Stickler

1:15:29

Method. Strip away the ego, strip

1:15:31

away the concern about what people think. And

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if it's with one person or it's online,

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truly, truly tell someone exactly

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what you're feeling without embarrassment

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or shame or blame and

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see what that could do for you. Because we saw

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with Cat, it changed her life. So

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we appreciate you guys tuning in. David,

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thank you for being here with me.

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This was a nice, good, long recap.

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And let's get ready for another episode

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of More Money coming up this Thursday.

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Don't forget to follow us on Instagram. We

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have some great stuff going up on YouTube

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and make sure to give us a five

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star review. We will see you Thursday for

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an episode of more than money. You