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Curran's Patriots

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Talk podcast. It's

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draft week. The Senator Phil Perry's alongside.

0:55

And fans, I don't need to tell you, but the Patriots have

0:57

faded a bit in the last five years. Haven't

1:00

won a playoff game since the 2018 Super Bowl.

1:02

Got pledged by Buffalo the last time they were

1:04

there. Born 13 team last year and

1:06

they earned that. OK. This,

1:10

this is their opportunity this week.

1:12

OK. Most important draft, Phil,

1:14

they've had since 93. And

1:16

that one laid that foundational

1:18

brick of Drew Bledsoe. This

1:22

draft determines how the rest of the

1:24

decade goes. It's

1:26

in the hands of a personnel department, though, that's in flux.

1:30

And that personnel department, Phil, is going to select players

1:32

and put them in the hands of a coaching staff

1:34

that's a little wet behind the ears. This

1:38

group is juggling chainsaws. Get

1:41

it right? Nobody gets hurt. There's a

1:43

lot of oohs and ahs. You make a mistake and it's

1:45

going to get messy and they'll be right back

1:48

where they are today. And

1:51

I'd say about 2028. You're going

1:53

to miss this whole process when it's over and there's actual

1:55

players, Phil. I

1:57

am going to miss it. I am going to miss it. you

2:00

on the it's going to destroy them for a decade if

2:02

they get a decade. No, the rest of the decade, it's

2:04

not going to kill them until 2034. But it's

2:06

2024. You butcher the quarterback,

2:11

you're in for four years. Yeah,

2:15

that's that's closer. That's closer to where I

2:17

am. Yeah, so you're right. You're just default

2:19

setting is disagree with prom disagree with Tom

2:21

disagree with Tom disagree with Tom. That's why

2:24

we have such a highly rated podcast. What

2:26

are you talking about?

2:28

You're going to be thanking me. All right, we got

2:30

a lot to get to in this program, including the

2:33

opportunity for you folks to hear

2:35

from Brian Hoyer Patriots, former

2:37

backup and starter at different junctures.

2:40

He's going to join us to talk and

2:43

analyze the four different players that

2:45

the Patriots have entertained at

2:47

the quarterback position. It's May. It's

2:50

Daniels. It's McCarthy. It

2:52

is Michael Penn. So

2:56

we had him in the studio, we did a mystery

2:58

science theater 3000 kind of thing. That's

3:00

all on YouTube. It's going to be on

3:03

our draft shows, which we have Thursday night,

3:05

a five hour special on the draft. But

3:07

we also have some Brian Hoyer that we're

3:09

going to intersperse here as well. We're

3:12

also going to talk trades we win dealing of

3:14

the Patriots doing some of that this week. And

3:17

how tenuous is the grasp on reality that

3:20

Elliott Wolf has? But

3:22

first things first, Phil. What

3:26

is your feeling on them? What the Patriots

3:28

will do it free first and

3:30

then what they should do it three. I

3:34

think they luck out in that there are

3:37

three really good quarterbacks in the stress and

3:40

they'll have the opportunity to take the one

3:42

that I think could

3:46

end up being the best of the bunch. And

3:48

that's Drake May. I envision Caleb

3:50

Williams going one. I envision Jane Daniels

3:53

going to I think the Patriots will

3:55

take Drake May and that is what they should do.

3:57

I would agree with them if that's what

3:59

ultimately happens. I talked

4:01

to a highly trusted NFL offensive mind yesterday

4:03

for a long time about all these quarterbacks.

4:08

And he said that May is the least ready of

4:10

the four, which depending

4:12

on where that guy's going, May

4:17

couldn't be, might not be a big deal. But when

4:19

you're going to a situation, and I talked about this

4:21

months ago, and I'm

4:24

still talking about it, the Patriots

4:26

situation isn't great, objectively speaking. New

4:30

head coach, offensive

4:32

coordinator, quarterbacks coach, offensive assistant, and

4:34

McAdoo McCartney and Van Pelt, who

4:36

haven't worked together before. It's not

4:38

a great roster. You don't have

4:40

an established left tackle. You're

4:43

a low budgeted wide receiver. The

4:45

situation isn't great, and you have

4:47

to develop him more than anyone

4:49

else. So I don't

4:52

have a huge misgiving about May if the

4:54

situation were better. I do have that misgiving

4:56

though. I would

4:58

actually say this. I think

5:00

it'd be worse off with J.J. McCarthy

5:02

in this situation than you would be Drake May. At

5:05

least Drake May has the physical tools. This is my opinion.

5:07

He has the physical tools to be able to

5:09

do some things on his own that I haven't

5:12

seen J.J. McCarthy do. And

5:14

he is much more accustomed, much more

5:16

accustomed to being in less

5:18

than ideal situations than J.J. McCarthy's.

5:21

Can you imagine dropping J.J. McCarthy, who has had a

5:23

tremendous offensive line for two years and has done nothing

5:25

but win and drop him into this situation? I

5:27

think it'd be a nightmare. It's a good point. I'm going

5:31

to push back on the first portion because I

5:33

think that McCarthy has greater foot speed and I

5:35

think he can throw on the move as his

5:37

number and under pressure on third and longs, which

5:39

a team like this will face a lot. Very

5:44

very very well. And

5:46

I think that he's faster than May. And

5:48

I think his foot works better. I think he'll be

5:50

more solid and fundamentally sound, but you're exactly right. I

5:54

think the fundamentals behind the Patriots offensive line go

5:56

up the window. You're right. You're

5:58

right. It's an X factor. It yet lived in

6:01

Chaos. Drake may lived in Chaos. And

6:03

how did he look? A hell of a

6:05

lot worse reward for year before. So.

6:07

As you are a little stuff. Is

6:13

just so could you. But you're

6:15

making it sound like he's a

6:17

terrible player and if I am

6:19

annoyed nine shot He's years the

6:21

best player for this team in

6:23

terms of size, resilience, physical ability

6:25

poised to is the best fit.

6:28

For. A shit team. Until

6:31

you get him on the field and realize

6:33

he's gone to a team, it really is

6:35

untested in terms of developing players. Will,

6:39

that's for sure. No. Doubt about

6:41

that. I. Got an agreement. And

6:44

up. But and I would also say what, Why did the

6:46

plane know. Because.

6:49

Dollars. Because Elliot's the

6:51

greatest cheat code financially in

6:53

the National Football League and

6:55

perhaps professional sports is a

6:57

quarterback on a rookie contract.

7:00

So I'm not arguing for

7:02

Mccarthy your Daniels, necessarily. I

7:04

am arguing for a much

7:06

more malleable stance on trading

7:08

down. Because.

7:10

I would mind seeing the clock start

7:12

in Twenty twenty five on a quarterback

7:15

know? that's not gonna friggin' happened. We've.

7:18

Already been through this. It's not any of those three

7:20

that we've mentioned it's going to be. Michael panics, But

7:25

I still think that the situation is

7:27

so. Toss. That.

7:31

You're not going to get a lotta yield.

7:33

This is going to be of what so

7:35

the and rookie year for Drake. May I

7:37

continue with the Bledsoe Cop? He's not as

7:39

tall, his arm isn't strong, he's a hell

7:41

of a lot faster and more mobile and

7:43

agile. But. All your feel

7:45

stuff stands up. Stoic.

7:48

Tough. He's going to be out there every

7:50

week. He fits the quarterback suit. And how

7:52

to Drew Bledsoe look in his rookie year?

7:54

Not too good for five and Eleven team

7:56

the one final four dumb stretch but he

7:58

had a five pick. Who.

8:01

The horrible to. Andrews at the

8:03

controls. Not. Settled. For.

8:07

Me you want to keep talking to? Can. I'm

8:10

know So so I said that they will

8:12

and they should take great May You're saying

8:15

they will take Drake May they should trade

8:17

down is what I'm hearing. Which.

8:20

Is very bella Hypothetical: that's a hypothetical an

8:22

independent if they get for draft picks bigger

8:25

for first round draft picks where they get

8:27

free first round draft picks and a top

8:29

tier top of the line. Role.

8:31

Bowl level players not all Pro Pro

8:33

Bowl level player. Then. Yes,

8:36

I think they should trade dumped otherwise take

8:38

raped me. I. Love Jj

8:40

Mccarthy. I think is gonna be

8:42

high end. And.

8:46

Will make this case before a seventy. Five.

8:49

I. Just want to say to you someone who.

8:52

Enjoys your football takes and who's going to

8:54

take machine know you know you're not sick

8:56

machine I believe you believe hundred kg Mccarthy

8:59

I just want you to say they should

9:01

take Jj Mccarthy you like a more than

9:03

drake me. They. Will My Pillow What

9:05

I like more Phil is trading down and

9:07

staffing your team. I like that more. The

9:09

Mccarthy you are many so then say one

9:11

of those two things and don't save the

9:13

they should take Drake May which is what

9:15

you just told me. I

9:18

said they will take Drake May what should

9:20

they do in Tom's opinion? Again

9:22

I started to say they still

9:24

can we go again Will blood

9:26

sugar started to say this. That

9:30

if they get a. Proposal.

9:32

That has. At least three first

9:34

round picks that a Pro Bowl level

9:36

player. You. That. But.

9:40

That's a hypothetical, so it's really hard

9:42

for me to say hey, the Patriots

9:44

should. Do This. I did

9:46

it. So I would have you know what

9:48

if I tell you what if the printers are they're staying at

9:51

three and they don't have a trade offer. Better.

9:54

If I'd rather say J, I would rather see

9:56

Jj Mccarthy. Okay, that's all it was looking for.

9:58

A can watch this stuff. Would you

10:00

guess it up folks? It's

10:03

like pulling teeth. Get the take are you sometimes

10:05

even though you arctic machine? Mom.

10:09

Just a theory machine. Fired

10:12

idol were food or body

10:14

about been b source posted

10:16

on. This. Was the

10:19

pool I put up. Earlier

10:22

today. And

10:24

I know that I'm into deep by Oh My God.

10:26

my minorities grown. A

10:29

set of people, people, If you are

10:31

running the draft, what would you do with number three?

10:34

Just. Take Drake may thank you very

10:36

much. Sixty three percent of you. Trade.

10:39

Down. Unix later. Nineteen Point

10:41

five percent of you. Pray

10:43

a j their noses their thirteen point

10:46

four percent A you. Three.

10:48

Point: Eight percent of the population of

10:51

Patriots fans and the two thousand six

10:53

hundred and three people who voted so

10:55

far. Set. Up taken

10:57

to to Mccarthy. We.

11:01

Could sit. If they were one hundred people, we could

11:03

sit all four of us in a room. We.

11:05

Could see them all and of we could fit. I'm

11:07

all in. Have been a Volkswagen and have plenty of

11:09

room. there would be you. A

11:12

mini Cooper. Be you, Mr and Mrs.

11:14

Mccarthy and who else. Target

11:17

fill secondary topic on the

11:19

quarterback position. We. Have

11:21

seen the odds from

11:24

Washington vacillate. Between.

11:27

A dead heat that it would

11:29

be Daniels or may. And

11:31

now Daniels has once again pulled into the

11:33

lead with Washington added peters. The

11:36

computers Gm says i'm not traded, we know

11:38

we don't was set. Who's.

11:40

Gonna be. I.

11:44

Think they're going to take a Daniels. What?

11:46

I've heard mom including

11:48

from. Someone. Who knows

11:51

that I'm Peters. Is

11:54

that? Gender News has been

11:56

enough of. A.

11:59

handful so to speak, that

12:03

this person thought the commanders

12:05

might be leaning more towards taking Drake

12:07

May. It

12:09

feels as though, however, things

12:12

have been ironed out between Daniels,

12:14

his camp, and the commanders since

12:16

the Topgolf visit, which is just

12:18

a funny sentence to say. And

12:23

so I think the

12:26

commander's front office will be able to understand

12:30

what they understand about. Jayden Daniels, the player, what

12:32

they think about him as a person, understand

12:35

that once he gets to

12:37

town, there's a good chance he'll like

12:39

it there and they'll end

12:41

up taking him second overall. Well,

12:45

that puts you at the bed. Meanwhile,

12:48

we've talked a little bit about trade scenarios

12:50

and Diana Racini, friend of a friend

12:52

of the program from the athletic, highly

12:54

respected national reporter. She had a tweet yesterday

12:56

that was Patriot centric. Now,

12:59

there are unbelievable

13:02

pressures on national

13:04

reporters right now to make sure you have

13:06

intel. Not doubting at all the intel of

13:08

Diana Racini or that she had somebody say

13:10

to her when she

13:12

stated the Patriots are involved

13:14

in trade talks this week.

13:17

Elliott Wolf is running point.

13:19

Jonathan Kraft is heavily involved

13:21

in the direction and conversations.

13:23

I paraphrase. Here's what I know. As

13:27

of early evening on

13:29

Monday, there had not been

13:32

a trade offer that rose to the level of

13:34

being presented to ownership. Now,

13:37

as to how it would

13:39

be presented and whether or not

13:42

Jonathan Kraft would have immediate veto

13:44

power and an opinion on

13:46

whether or not it

13:48

was a good move football wise. That

13:52

wouldn't happen. So there's been

13:54

no offer presented to ownership because no

13:57

Solid offers have materialized. Secondarily,

14:01

As with. The

14:04

Bill Belichick era. Ownership.

14:06

Expects to be whooped in. On

14:08

what's gonna happen. it's the third overall

14:11

pick. not a matter of it's you

14:13

know, the third overall pick, the fifteenth

14:15

overall pick, a third rounder. Bill.

14:17

Belichick was whooping! The

14:20

crafts and and they're going to expect that

14:22

here because still what they don't want. Is

14:25

to in April as they didn't

14:27

twenty seven teams. Have a

14:30

player like to be Go Rob well have

14:32

it out there. From Adam shifter who is

14:34

from indiscreet or well aligned. With

14:36

the Patriots when Bill Belichick was hearsay

14:38

patriots are moving giving arrival of a

14:41

for first round picks. Then seven months

14:43

later. When. They are presented with

14:45

we're going to trade Jimmy for a second

14:47

rounder Robert Kraft. To say the Jonathan. Is

14:50

that enough? A We shall we want to do? Is

14:52

that enough? Because. It's

14:54

such a come down. And. Course, that wasn't

14:56

veto. We. Went on with it. But.

15:00

They want to be loops. But.

15:02

I do want to. Emphasize again

15:04

The Jonathan Kraft.

15:09

Is as far as I can tell

15:12

as far as I can have been

15:14

told is not involved in football making

15:16

decisions. Start scouting. He.

15:19

Understands his limitations. Has this is dead

15:21

and I want to ask you this.

15:24

Considerably. Implausibility of the craft.

15:26

still. Forcing.

15:28

A pic at number three on the

15:30

coaches. In the personnel

15:32

people. That. They don't want. Jonathan.

15:35

Kraft Sydney with a big Stogie in a small

15:37

saying. He

15:40

would take it may. Think. About that.

15:44

Does that make any sense at all as to the way they've

15:46

done their business? It

15:48

doesn't in, it doesn't make sense as to how

15:50

they want to do their business. Meaning. If

15:53

that's the route they're suddenly gonna take,

15:55

if they're suddenly going to be Jerry

15:57

and Stephen Jones. The.

16:00

And I

16:02

don't know, like why even have

16:04

Elliott Wolf there at all? Yeah,

16:07

I mean, if you could say, devil's bill Belichick

16:09

is out the door, we're just gonna, you

16:11

know, we're just gonna take over, then just

16:14

take over. You don't need to go through the whole charade.

16:16

You could devil's advocate and

16:19

say, well, they

16:21

got Elliott there and he's an interim, so he's a patsy

16:23

and he'll do whatever they want. I

16:25

don't think that's the case by any stretch

16:27

of the imagination. But

16:30

here's the other aspect of it. Think about it. After

16:33

31 years of ownership, I

16:36

think it's been demonstrated to them time

16:38

and again that the people in the football

16:40

office know way more

16:42

than they do about the football players. They

16:46

know the personnel, they know the positions,

16:48

they know what their offensive

16:50

coordinator, quarterbacks, coach, equipment manager, everybody

16:52

else knows. So

16:54

they will do what Robert Kraft said

16:57

at the introductory press conference for Girard

16:59

Mayo, we will

17:01

hold our people accountable. So

17:04

get it right and you won't have to sweat it. You

17:07

won't have to go, Jonathan, you said we should do

17:09

this. Robert, you said we have to do that. Now

17:12

talking about a top fight quarterback, I think

17:14

that was objectively speaking

17:17

overstepping if you want to appear to be

17:19

somebody who's not exerting pressure. Cool.

17:22

Yeah, and that's fair, especially for a guy who, as he

17:24

said, he's still the director of scouting. He

17:27

is not the general manager, he's not the vice president of player personnel, etc.,

17:29

etc., etc. He is director of

17:31

scouting, Elliot Wolf, and it's

17:34

been made clear that they are going to be

17:36

doing front office interviews once the

17:38

draft is over. And

17:40

so for the owner to say something like that, I

17:43

really would love to one way or another come away

17:45

with a top rate young quarterback. You're

17:48

letting the guy know, the

17:52

guy wants the long term job. I

17:54

think he's going to do the right thing, Tom, in

17:56

his mind. He's going to do the right football thing

17:58

for the football team, Elliot Wolf will. But

18:02

human nature is human nature. The person that

18:05

you're hoping employs you has made

18:07

it clear what his desires are. Are

18:09

you going to go against those as

18:12

you're trying to establish yourself and win a job?

18:14

It would take a lot

18:16

of guts. Let's just say that. Yeah, I

18:18

mean, when he's 82 and he's

18:21

accustomed to a level of winning and he believes very

18:23

much that it's coach and quarterback, Robert

18:25

has said publicly and privately. Additionally,

18:29

you're putting yourself in a situation where you're

18:31

making it so that Robert has to go

18:33

out and

18:36

apologize to the fan base for not

18:38

providing them with a quarterback. Imagine

18:40

that. Well,

18:43

we really wanted one, but the next thing you know,

18:46

I love Christian Darrasaw. I mean,

18:49

you can't. Once

18:51

we got Darrasaw, I was a clincher. So

18:56

I do think that even saying

18:58

that, the

19:02

adamant tone of

19:04

the craft's non-involvement in

19:07

football has been so persuasive to

19:09

me as to all

19:11

believability about them sitting around smoking

19:13

stoges and saying, what about this

19:16

kid from Slippery Rock? They're

19:18

not doing it. There

19:23

is a receiver from Slippery Rock this year that I'm interested

19:25

in, just FYI, but we can talk about him later. Much

19:28

later. On

19:31

to the next topic of conversation because

19:33

it's trade talk and we

19:37

have talked about it. We have reported it. We've talked about it on

19:39

an early edition. We've talked about it on BSD. We've talked about it

19:41

right here. The Patriots will love

19:43

to make a trade. They'd love to make a trade

19:46

for an X. They didn't get Calvin Ridley. They

19:49

still have a ton

19:51

of money. They'd love

19:53

to extract somebody from another team. My

19:56

feeling? They Could get A.J. Brown. Hey.

20:02

I've. Got a sense of that from. Hair

20:06

braided, A You T against. Metallic.

20:10

So. Who.

20:12

Would you like to see the Patriots go

20:14

and get in When with this unfold fill.

20:16

With. This unfold Thursday night into Friday. Would

20:19

this unfold Friday Morning Wood This unfold Friday

20:21

afternoon Because that's where I think the sweet

20:23

spot is that number Thirty Four pick. Yeah.

20:26

Could happen after the first round. I mean, if

20:28

the Niners were picking at the end of the

20:31

first round, for example, have some receiver that they

20:33

absolutely loved fall into their lap and they say

20:35

we gotta take the sky. Especially

20:39

understanding. The. Brain and I Youth

20:41

is in the last year was contract. Then.

20:43

Maybe it's done Friday. And listen draft of the

20:46

start again until Friday night. So you get all

20:48

these working hours during the day. For. Those

20:50

conversations to happen in for something to get done and

20:52

for you to even as the Patriots coach you know

20:54

make a phone call to our brain I you can

20:56

sell for example or his agent and say hey would

20:59

you know what's gonna take to work out a deal

21:01

because it's ever going to make that trade you gotta

21:03

get a deal been to It's not like we will

21:05

do you for a full season and then you will

21:07

sign with us. No no no he once he's acquired.

21:10

You make the deal soon thereafter. Long

21:13

term extension to big money so I

21:15

think it could happen as soon as.

21:18

Friday. Morning with say that my

21:20

understanding is to that are you has

21:23

been giving clearance to explore that is

21:25

at. Will you also want

21:27

to seem to be the case for jealous?

21:29

Yes. And so. You.

21:32

Know is not a free agent per se. But.

21:34

When he explores, that does he. What?

21:37

Does he find? Does he find that he likes the

21:39

idea? Being a New England I mean he has put

21:41

out some pretty cryptic stuff done over the course last

21:43

few weeks. I'm going to go less cryptic and I'm

21:46

gonna give you a quote from Kendrick born from T

21:48

Me to Britain and are you speaking to offering Carry

21:50

Thompson. Carry. Got

21:52

him kendrick on the line. harry

21:55

asked him which player would you like to

21:57

see the patriots go get Kendrick

22:00

Bourne said, I want Brandon Ayuk. He's my guy.

22:03

I think he'll fit in. Just being a one-on-one

22:06

receiver, one, in

22:08

large. At X, he

22:10

could take a whole half of the field

22:12

and dominate and create a lot of attention

22:14

for himself. That's big in our offense. The

22:16

X receiver. X receiver, of course, was populated

22:18

by DeMonte Parker. How well

22:20

do you know Ayuk from your San Francisco days,

22:23

yes, Kyrie. I know him pretty well. We

22:26

had a pretty good relationship when he first came in as a

22:28

rookie. I was in year three, I believe, kind

22:30

of teaching him the ins and outs in the beginning.

22:32

Got along pretty well. Posted a couple of things. We

22:34

got some handshakes and stuff. We've

22:37

always been pretty connected and have gelled naturally.

22:43

So there you go. Letting

22:45

everybody marinate in that. Yeah, so

22:47

the cryptic things that I was referring to was,

22:50

so he played at Arizona State with Jane

22:52

Daniels. He went

22:54

on, I think it was Instagram Live with Jane

22:56

Daniels and made it

22:59

seem like maybe, now

23:02

this could be me reading into it or Patriots fans

23:04

that I saw posting it on Twitter reading into it,

23:07

but made it seem like, hey, Thursday

23:09

night, you get drafted by

23:11

the Patriots. I

23:13

get traded to the Patriots and we're off and running.

23:16

Otherwise, how are those two going to end up together? I

23:18

don't really understand that. Maybe the commanders could somehow swing a

23:20

trade for Ayuk, but they already have Terry and the corn.

23:23

Jane Daniels is creating a dream

23:26

team in New England. That

23:29

would be, I mean, that would be a lot of fun.

23:31

Talk about excitement. Talk about an ability to sell some tickets

23:33

there. We

23:41

have all this Brian Hoyer stuff to get to.

23:43

We also have a conference call we need to

23:45

be on. We also have a week's worth of

23:48

preparation for this draft. You've

23:50

been on it for months. I just started Monday. But

23:53

I think that it's important that

23:55

we excuse ourselves and don't get, we've given plenty

23:58

of intel. I've been doing for long. And

24:01

we'll give you plenty of intel in this plot, I think.

24:04

And I want you to use it

24:06

wisely and enjoy it. And we

24:08

have quick plans tonight, like I said with Loyer. Phil and I will

24:10

be on there. Phil, what's the next path

24:12

looking like this week? Next path, we got Albert

24:15

Breer. And we go

24:17

back and forth on what we're hearing about, things

24:20

that are happening at the top of the draft. So we go

24:22

through the first six picks and then we do a little bonus. We

24:25

talk about 34 and who might be available

24:27

to the Patriots at 34. That might be interesting to

24:29

them. Definitely interesting. Next time

24:31

you'll hear from us via pod,

24:34

we'll be probably Thursday

24:36

night or Friday morning, given

24:39

the fact that we're doing a live

24:42

TV show from like six to midnight. So

24:45

we'll talk to the skull crusher. Skull

24:49

crusher, what we should do is just siphon off

24:51

a bunch of things from the

24:53

TV. And then Phil and I will put a top on

24:55

that. And then we can throw some

24:57

of the other stuff in to give everybody their 20 to 25 minutes. Rock

25:01

it out loud folks, that's how the

25:04

sausage gets made. Now here's Brian Hoyer,

25:06

Phil Perry and myself discussing in-depth and

25:09

analyzing before, quarterbacks

25:13

involved. That are

25:15

on the Patriots menu. Take care, enjoy the week. Hey,

25:20

what's up everybody? It's Tom Carne, I am

25:23

joined today by Brian Hoyer, longtime NFL quarterback

25:25

and of course, Phil Perry. We're gonna do

25:27

a deep dive on the four quarterbacks the

25:30

Patriots have been most linked to as

25:32

their quarterback of the future. It's Jayden

25:34

Daniels, it's Drake May, it's JJ McCarthy

25:36

and Michael Penix. And of course you

25:39

guys all know Brian, a 2009 Patriots acquisition. He

25:42

was undrafted, but he had two

25:45

stints here. And in his second stint was 2017 to

25:47

2022. Brian,

25:51

welcome buddy. Thanks for having me, Tom. Happy

25:53

to have you. Phil, we look at this, we've been

25:55

doing so much work on this. You and me batting

25:58

it back and forth, but it's good to have. some

26:00

professional eyes on this, right? Yeah, thank God. We have

26:02

a big brain here when it comes to the quarterback

26:04

position. What are you looking for, Brian, when it comes

26:06

to college players making their way to

26:08

the pro game? Are there one or two things that

26:11

you look for first and foremost in terms of being

26:13

able to try to project how well they'll be at

26:15

the next level? Yeah, I think for me, being new

26:17

to this, the first thing I'm gonna look at is

26:19

physical ability. I think first and foremost, all four of

26:22

these guys are capable of that, but that's what you're

26:24

gonna look at. What jumps out? Can they make big

26:26

throws? How athletic are they? How big are they? Can

26:28

they withstand hits? A lot

26:30

to dive into, and I think

26:32

we'll have some good time here going

26:34

over this stuff. This is gonna be

26:36

fantastic because all of these guys are

26:38

varied in skills. All right, with no

26:40

further ado then, let's get after the

26:42

guy that we think the Patriots are

26:45

most likely to wind up with at

26:47

number three. It's University of North Carolina

26:49

quarterback Drake May. We got five throws

26:51

lined up here, and Phil Drake May,

26:53

big, 6'3", 6'4", fits

26:57

that prototypical mold. What

27:00

do you think, Brian, about his general

27:02

overall build? Yeah, I think

27:04

there's gonna be obviously comparisons to big athletic

27:06

guys like a Josh Allen. Big,

27:09

tall, strong, can run, athletic, big

27:11

arm. And so

27:13

having watched him a little bit to prepare for this,

27:15

you see some comparisons to that. All right, time to

27:17

shoot me straight then. Drake May at number three. I

27:20

think people look at the upside, Phil certainly does,

27:22

and says, that's a player

27:24

worth betting on, putting your chips on. He's

27:26

young, he's gonna improve, he fits the suit.

27:28

Brian, your thoughts? Yeah, I mean,

27:31

look, is he the third best quarterback? I really do

27:33

think so. Is he worth the third pick? I don't

27:35

know that, I'm glad that I don't have to have

27:37

that decision, but he's talented,

27:39

he's big, he's strong, he's

27:42

been successful. If

27:45

you're gonna draft a quarterback, then if you're

27:48

hellbent on drafting the quarterback with the third pick, I

27:50

think he's probably the one that you take because of

27:52

the upside that's there. Phil, do you like the situation

27:54

for him here? You're

27:57

gonna sit him for a portion of time to clean

27:59

up the foot. You don't have things around him.

28:01

You're going to kind of pee away one

28:03

year of his rookie contract in some ways, and he's still

28:06

not going to be surrounded by some of the players that

28:08

you need. Yeah, but that's okay

28:10

to me. As long as you feel as

28:12

though he's the right guy, and as long

28:14

as you feel as though there is some

28:16

significant improvement to be had for him because

28:18

of his age, because of his relative football

28:20

experience, because of, I think,

28:22

something that I've been told multiple times by

28:24

NFL people is that the coaching that

28:26

he got and the scheme that he was in this past year

28:29

was different from two years ago. Go back and watch that tape

28:31

from 2022. You're going to

28:33

see a guy who even at 20 years old looks a

28:35

little bit more polished in a lot of ways than the

28:37

guy you saw this year. So there's a balance that teams

28:39

are going to have to wrestle with

28:41

as they evaluate him, but I think there's enough upside

28:43

there to be willing to bet on him at three

28:45

overall. And even if you have to sit him for

28:48

a year, you have Jacoby Brissette, a guy

28:50

that he could learn from, a guy who can take

28:52

the reins and be a legitimate starter for a full season

28:54

if necessary. Real quick, we need to do a

28:56

high comp and a low comp. We're going to keep this tight

28:58

because we don't want to go on too long. We want to

29:00

get to the other quarterbacks, but I'm going to go simply a

29:02

high comp and that's going to

29:04

be a faster, less powerful

29:07

armed, smidgen smaller, Drew Bledsoe.

29:09

And a lot of that has to

29:11

do with the physical toughness, the

29:13

competitiveness, the resiliency and the poise.

29:15

I think those are selling points

29:17

for him. So I'm a Drew

29:19

Bledsoe on the high comp for

29:22

him. Okay. I guess

29:24

for me, I'll go and I have

29:26

no problem saying this. Don't give me crap about it. But

29:28

my favorite quarterback to Washington, NFL right now is Josh Allen.

29:30

And I'm going to say he's a poor man's. Josh Allen

29:33

is probably the high comp. That's what you're going to hope

29:35

that you get. And I think Phil made a great point.

29:38

He if he comes here, he comes into a situation

29:40

where you have a great

29:42

veteran quarterback and Jacoby Brissette, you don't have to put

29:44

them on the field, hopefully for the whole year. And

29:47

I think if you, if you look at it from

29:49

that standpoint, Hey, we're going to draft him third overall.

29:51

We're going to invest great coaching, invest time with them

29:53

and give them some time. I think that's probably best

29:55

case scenario. So for me, I said,

29:58

you know, he's not going to run. as

30:00

well as Josh Allen and he's not as big

30:02

and strong, but there's definitely some comparisons. And if

30:05

he has time to develop, I think that would

30:07

be best case scenario. You also think Josh Allen

30:09

is an alien. Yeah, I mean, to me, like

30:11

I said, when I sit down to watch

30:13

football with my son, I go, this is who I want you to

30:15

play like. Don't play like me. Don't play like

30:17

Uncle Tom. Don't play like Jacoby. This is who

30:20

I want you to be. Because I really believe

30:22

when you watch, even in my 15 years, the

30:25

development of the quarterback position, that's

30:27

where it's going. Big, strong guys who can

30:29

throw, who you prefer to really stay in

30:31

the pocket, but when they take off, I

30:33

mean, Josh Allen's a threat. And so a

30:37

few years back, I actually asked him to sign a jersey

30:39

for my son. So it's hanging in my son's room.

30:42

And that's who I tell him to model himself after.

30:44

That's awesome. I would go high comp. I'll go Justin

30:46

Herbert. He's not as tall as Herbert, but I think

30:49

his arms a little less than Alan. He's not quite

30:51

as fast as Alan. I think that maybe puts him

30:53

in a little bit closer ballpark to

30:55

Herbert. The low end comp, I'll just tell

30:57

you there's an offensive coordinator who compared Drake

31:00

May to another former UNC quarterback,

31:02

Mitch Trubis earlier this off season.

31:04

That would obviously be the low

31:06

end. That's not what Patriots fans are gonna want

31:09

in terms of production, clearly. And Mitch was a number? Number

31:11

two. Two, okay, even better. Hey, let's

31:14

dive into now, Jaden Daniels, Heisman Trophy winner from

31:16

LSU. Phil, give us a skinny on what his

31:18

career is. Yeah, spent the first three years of

31:20

his career at Arizona State, ends up transferring to

31:22

LSU, spends two years there, has an okay year

31:25

in 2022, might've been

31:27

had he remained at that level, like

31:29

a fourth or maybe even a third round

31:31

pick. And then this year, he's in explosive

31:33

play, walking 90 plays of 20

31:35

yards or more, that's through the air and on

31:37

the ground. He is a dynamic threat, both with

31:39

his arm and his legs. High trophy winner. We're

31:41

not doing Caleb Williams because he's gonna be off

31:44

the board to Chicago. We are

31:46

doing Jaden Daniels. You say this is

31:48

a layup, your favorite. Yeah,

31:50

I mean, to me, this is probably a crazy

31:52

take and having done some of this

31:54

work to prepare for this, I actually think

31:56

he's the best quarterback in the draft. And

31:59

listen to Phil. Does that sound

32:01

similar to another LSU guy that came a

32:03

few years ago? Did you do transfer kind

32:05

of the junior year? Okay, maybe a mid-round

32:07

pick senior year blows up, you

32:10

know Heisman trophy. And when

32:12

I watched Jayden Daniels, I see some comparisons

32:14

to Joe Burrow. High comp, low

32:16

comp from both of you guys on

32:18

Jayden Daniels. I'll go first this time. I'll just

32:20

go with Lamar. Yeah. He's really difficult

32:23

to find a true comp for, but I think because

32:25

you're not going to be able to play a lot

32:27

of man-to-man against him in the NFL because he is

32:29

so damn fast. The

32:31

ability to win with his arm

32:33

as well, which we know Lamar can do, winning two

32:35

MVPs. I'll go with him as my high-end comp. And

32:37

then the low-end comp for me, this

32:39

is one that was brought to me by a coach, Brian.

32:42

I'd love to hear what you think about it. It's Justin

32:44

Fields and a skinnier version

32:46

obviously of Justin Fields because he does

32:48

have a tendency to, if he feels

32:50

pressure, bring his eyes down and

32:52

take off. And that's great at the college level

32:54

because he can rip off a 60-yard touchdown at

32:56

a moment's notice. It's just a question

32:58

of can you do that consistently at the next level? Yeah,

33:00

I think for my high comp, I mentioned like

33:02

in running terms, maybe he's not as fast as

33:04

Lamar or as sturdy, but when he takes off,

33:07

he's dangerous in running and I would say that.

33:09

But I mentioned it before, maybe it's the LSU

33:11

jersey, but it's burrow. I think

33:13

he has the ability to be a dropback

33:15

passer. I actually don't see any

33:17

comparison to Justin Fields because to me, Justin Fields

33:19

can't drop back and pass the way that Jayden

33:21

Daniels does. I just don't see it. I think

33:23

he has a calmness to him. He's played a

33:25

lot of football. You mentioned he played a lot

33:27

of games in Arizona State, played two years at

33:30

LSU. To me, like I

33:32

said, he's been my favorite guy watching

33:34

to prepare for and low

33:37

comp. I mean, there's not much low

33:39

to look to and nor who to

33:41

compare. I guess the low comp would be

33:43

Justin Fields if he gets

33:45

the NFL and all of a sudden the rush is

33:47

coming different from LSU and he puts his head down

33:50

and he's trying to run all the time. That's why

33:52

it's hard with a low comp with him because he

33:54

is so uniquely fast, you can only compare him to

33:56

other similar fast quarterbacks, which would be Lamar, which would

33:58

be Michael Vick. And then you're kind of

34:01

out of business. We're not out

34:03

of business guys. Tremendous insight on Jaden Daniels.

34:06

All right. We're plowing forward and now we're going to get to

34:08

believe it or not. My favorite

34:10

guy, Phil's a Drake may guy. Brian

34:12

is a Jaden Daniels guy. I actually

34:15

embrace the upside of J. J

34:18

McCarthy, Phil. I

34:20

don't need you deriding my guy, but explain

34:22

to me the skinny on him. I would

34:24

never deride him. I would tell you this,

34:27

uh, this guy's a winner. He won

34:29

at the high school level. He won at

34:31

the prep level, and now he's won a

34:33

national championship at Michigan. He is an

34:36

athlete. He was one of the better testers we've seen

34:38

in terms of his agility timing at the combine this

34:40

year. And I think that shows up on tape with

34:42

some of the movement that you see when he's on

34:44

the field. It's thought to have a

34:47

strong arm, not the strongest arm in the class,

34:49

but strong enough. Brian, what do you think

34:51

of him? Yeah, I think, um, all the

34:53

things you mentioned are great traits. You can't, you

34:55

can't take anything away from J. J. McCarthy because

34:57

he plays on a great team. He has a

34:59

great offensive line. That's nothing you, that's

35:01

not his fault. If anything, it's to his benefit.

35:03

So, um, I liked the fact that

35:05

he's a winner. Like you mentioned before, um, other than

35:07

the fact that he's a Wolverine, you know, I

35:10

don't love that, but, um, you know, he's a fun guy

35:12

to watch and, and, you know, watching the film to prepare

35:14

for this, like he makes some great plays and he's, and

35:17

he's really athletic. Phil want to hear the high comp and

35:19

low comp from me on this play. All

35:21

right. To me. I look

35:23

at the arm strength. I look at the

35:25

foot speed. I look at the smarts and

35:28

I see high comp. The

35:30

guy who was taken in 2005 in the twenties. I

35:37

see Aaron Rogers, a guy

35:39

that people look at and say, well, he

35:42

is a genius. Did Aaron

35:44

Rogers throw like this while he was a Cal?

35:46

Not necessarily, but did he run? Yeah,

35:48

he did. So to me,

35:50

high comp, this player,

35:52

that foot speed, that arm ability,

35:55

those smarts, you could be

35:57

looking at an Aaron Rogers type now low comp. uh...

36:00

that wasn't that though

36:02

i'd so i actually grew to a local yeah

36:04

that would be a little bit leave that there

36:08

i had for my high cop another guy taken in

36:10

the same draft actually taken ahead of a rogers and

36:12

i would say alex smith mhm for a lot of

36:14

the reasons you mentioned at the time when he was

36:16

drafted number one out overall at a utah but stop

36:19

mcclellan by the way who was worked alongside eliot wolf

36:21

in the past and comes from that same executive tree

36:24

good athlete good enough arms smart guy doesn't turn

36:26

it over like aaron rogers right that's one of

36:28

jay jay mccarthy strength brine so i

36:31

like my comp better than palms but we think

36:33

i i agree with you more than that air

36:35

rogers that freak uh... when when i

36:38

think the one thing that people ever realizes how athletic

36:40

aaron is i mean not so much

36:42

with the running and and doing all those things

36:44

but his quick twitchy muscle

36:47

uh... you know

36:49

build it's it's amazing to be like when i

36:51

see jay jay mccarthy throw he he does have

36:53

a strong arm but the twitch is it's

36:55

not there so i would actually and it makes a

36:57

lot of sense now watching him thinking alex

36:59

smith played for him uh... jim

37:02

harbaugh they kinda use jay jay

37:04

the same way and he did a tremendous job so

37:06

like we said you know he he

37:08

had a great team his job was to

37:10

make sure the team won the game and

37:12

he did that he won the national championship

37:14

and in the same time some built-in runs

37:16

from scrambling ability and and probably similar arm

37:18

strength i would say too so that that's

37:21

a great the great person there's a senior

37:23

that i don't know the great comparison there's

37:25

a small room occupied by the

37:27

greatest arms in nfl history and it's bert

37:29

jones hats off to former patriots coach uh...

37:31

bill bella check it's john

37:34

elway it's aram rogers and

37:36

the best time you ever saw michael bishop who

37:39

i i have heard stories about michael bishop uh... was

37:41

stupid i don't think we should leave marino out of

37:43

that yeah but to be through the

37:45

same way we wrap

37:47

it up we're going to bring in our uh... next guy

37:49

like jimmy's really lightning quick this

37:52

is a player in michael pennick's university of

37:54

washington who will not be the third overall

37:56

pick i walk out on that limb right

37:58

now and bounce on it and it will

38:01

not snap. But if the Patriots do take

38:03

that bag and trade down, PENEX

38:05

is going to go in the first half

38:07

of the first round. I promise you that's

38:09

going to happen. So Phil, what's

38:12

the skitty on the skinny guy? He's

38:14

played a lot of college football and had

38:16

one of the most productive seasons in the

38:19

country last year, helping Washington get to that

38:21

national championship game big time down

38:23

the field thrower. That offense was get it

38:25

to your playmakers deep. And he trusted them

38:27

and he had three guys to throw to

38:29

that are all going to be taken before

38:31

the end of round three. All

38:33

kinds of intangibles, Brian, cause he overcame four

38:36

season ending injuries, including two ACL tears to

38:38

his lead leg as a lefty thrower that

38:40

right knee. Yeah, it's a great story.

38:42

I enjoyed watching them play. Um, great

38:44

touch on the deep ball, which obviously said was a

38:47

big part of their offense. Um, he does a great

38:49

job of that. It's a great story. And, and like

38:51

you said, he's going to go in the first round

38:53

at some point, clearly not at number three. But if,

38:55

if the Patriots decide to trade back, I think he's

38:57

a good option, you know, later on in the first

38:59

round, uh, high comp, low comp Brian

39:02

from Michael Pennocks. Yeah. I'll stick with, you know,

39:04

mentioned it before that to a comparison, you know,

39:06

I think he's probably a little bit bigger, a

39:08

little bit more athletic, a little bit stronger arm

39:10

version of to a, that's probably the top you're

39:13

looking at. Um, you know,

39:15

when you look at lefty quarterbacks, you want to compare them

39:17

to other lefties, hard to think about, um,

39:20

you know, a low comp. I know you off

39:22

air, you mentioned Tyler Palko, which is

39:24

a blast. Someone that someone that

39:26

I played against in college, um, you know,

39:28

it just, it's hard because, um,

39:31

is he going to go to the right team?

39:33

Is he going to go somewhere where he's got

39:35

to throw balls through driving force wins? You know,

39:37

you play in Gillette in December or January, are

39:40

those deep balls? Are they going to start to

39:42

wobble? Are they going to stay a tight spiral?

39:44

So those are all things you got to think

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about. Not with the massive hands, Phil. He

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does have massive hands, 10 and a half inch hands.

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So biggest hands of anybody in this draft class among

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the guys we've been talking about for my high end

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comp. I struggle because it is, it's hard to get

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that lefty thing out of your head. And when you

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were talking about sort of the open stand. and just

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letting his arm go along for the ride. I kind

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of can picture Steve Young a little bit, but

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I'm going to go just in terms of play style.

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I'm thinking Arizona edition Carson Palmer. Just throw that thing

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down the field in a Bruce Arians offense. Let your

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guys go make plays. He's not going to be running

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a whole lot and picking up yards with his leg.

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He's going to be from the pocket, chucking that thing

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down the field. I'll go Carson Palmer. And then low

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end, Sam Bradford. Injury

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issues. There were some injury issues with Sam Bradford as

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well. Big arm, though. I'm going to go high end,

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Phillip Rivers, without the same level

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of fire, but similar throwing

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angles. And, you know, I

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would imagine their arms were similarly strong.

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Rivers could throw it when he needed to, and

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certainly Panax can too, but I just wonder how

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many of these and how much of these throws

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he'll be able to get away with at the

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next level. All right, that's going to be a

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wrap. We did fantastic. You guys were terrific with

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the intel. That was a great

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A point guard, I think. All right,

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we hope you're a lot smarter about these

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four quarterbacks than you were when we started.

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