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It's April 26th, 1332 and
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another remarkable event is about to
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be uncovered by Aria,
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Rebecca and Ali The
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Retrospectors The
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Italian Renaissance was a time of unprecedented
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intellectual exploration an era when people were
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asking themselves questions like Does the sun
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really revolve around the earth? What if
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we could print books on a press?
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And apparently what's at the top of
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that big hill? Because it was today
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in history in 1336 that the Italian
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poet Petrarch hiked up Mont Ventoux in
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Provence supposedly becoming the first person to
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climb a mountain for pleasure And what
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he wrote in his much celebrated letter
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to his former confessor Diennigi, de Borgos
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and Sepulchro was Today I made the
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ascent of the highest mountain in the
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region which is not improperly called Ventosum
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Ventosum meaning windy My only motive was
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the wish to see what so great
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an elevation had to offer So it
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really was his intention just to climb
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to the top of this thing and
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look out from the top Yes, although
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you say that, you know, this
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letter was celebrated and it was
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but really Petrarch's thoughts on his
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own expedition on this day didn't
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become celebrated, not properly, for centuries
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It was when it was rediscovered
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by the Romantic poets centuries later
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who also liked to write
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a metaphor about a mountain because
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people have long enjoyed comparing climbing
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mountains to enlightenment years before Miley
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Cyrus that they thought,
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ah, here's someone who climbed a
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mountain and thought spiritual things, after
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having done it just for fun, centuries before
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we did. So then it became this thing
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where people said for a long time, this
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was the moment that mankind discovered the modern
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thrill of climbing a mountain, as you say,
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just because he wanted to. But that doesn't
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necessarily mean that Petruk
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thought that no one had climbed a mountain
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before. Yes. Yeah,
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in fact, in his letter, Petruk describes how
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on their ascent, they met an elderly shepherd
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who said he had journeyed to the peak
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of the mountain 50 years earlier, and kind
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of warned them, you know, don't bother, it's
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really dangerous, but he carried on anyway. We
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now have a wealth of evidence, and we'll
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get into this later, that people have pretty
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much always climbed mountains. But there was in
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post-Renaissance generations this idea that this was an
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era where people were moving from that kind
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of medievalist mindset, where they were only concerned
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about fulfilling their religious obligations, social obligations, and
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basically getting what they needed to survive,
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to a more elevated mentality that was
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kind of guided by curiosity and, you
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know, that personal spirit of inquiry as
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well. People were sort of breaking out of the,
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as they saw it, you know, the Catholic Church's
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restrictions on what people said and thought and kind
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of making their own thing to do. And
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there was also an idea that people in
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the past were scared of mountains, you know,
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that they were superstitious, that they were intellectually
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uncurious, and they were just living flat on
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the ground. But as we'll see later, that
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was definitely not the case. Well,
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once he reaches the summit,
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Petrucc really rhapsodised about, quote,
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the effect of the great sweep of
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the view spread out before me. And
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he gazes over to the east with
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what he calls an irrepressible longing towards
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his own native Italy. And
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he then starts to reflect on the
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past decade of the futility of his
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earthly love for Laura, the woman with
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whom he was famously obsessed in the
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subject of his love lyrics written over
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a period of about 20 years. Laura
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herself has traditionally been identified as
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Laura de Noves de Avignon. who
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was a married woman and a mother,
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but there are possible other candidates. But
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regardless, it was, it sort of became
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this idea of a, an
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unrequited love in both the sort
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of positive and negative characteristics that
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go with that. Yeah. Petruch
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basically wrote You're Beautiful by James Blunt,
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didn't he? Right. You know, a hundred
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views at a time. Yeah, but he wrote it a lot
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of times. Yeah. So not just a
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one-hit wonder. Yeah. So he was
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23. He started perving on a woman he saw in church and
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he wrote a poem about it. He sort of inadvertently
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invented the form of the solace. Yeah.
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But I mean, the thing that then he
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goes on to do from this point of
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having questioned his love for Laura is that
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he then sits down, opens up Augustine's Confessions.
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And this is the point at which it
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starts to feel as though this whole story
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is maybe a little bit more poetic
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and a little bit less literal because
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the passage that he chances upon as
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he throws this book open reads, and
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men go about to wonder at the
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height of the mountains and the mighty
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waves of the sea and the wide
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sweeps of rivers and the circuit of the
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ocean and the revolutions of the stars. But
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themselves, they consider not just that, you know,
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just at random. That was what he happened
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upon. Yeah. I
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mean, not to spoil anything, but it
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has been suggested that Petruch maybe did
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not actually climb Mont Ventoux at all,
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that it was more of an allegory,
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you know, a premise for his very
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lengthy and philosophical account of the journey,
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which really does ring all
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of the metaphorical meaning out of the
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expedition, as is humanly possible. This
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is very on the nose passage about
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how every time two paths emerge, his
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brother Gerardo chooses to take the steep
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boat directory while Petruch himself elects to
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look for a longer but easier path,
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which ultimately sets him fruitlessly wandering, leaving him
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even more tired than he was at the
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beginning. And he has to take the steep
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route anyway. But also in
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1332, who takes a book up a
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mountain? You know what I mean?
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Books are quite valuable things. And why
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that one? You know? like of
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course it's an allegory. Because
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there's a page that's about climbing mountains and I
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turn the corners out and I'm gonna throw it
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open at chance at the top. I'm gonna just feel
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sorry for all the servants that were helping them you know
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because it was about his brother and a bunch of other
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guys. It's like can you imagine all of them just thinking
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what are we doing here on the mountain again and why
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are we carrying this book after this? They're like oh we're
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so superstitious and intellectually uncurious why are you
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making us do this? Well
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according to the French historian Pierre
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Coursel and the Italian writer Giuseppe
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Bilanovic the letter is
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essentially a fabrication that was crafted
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about 15 years after its alleged
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date and nearly a decade after
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even like the death of its
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intended recipient, Deliji, who
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he'd been sending it to apparently.
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The English professor Lyle Asher says
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that the mountain ascent was basically
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a symbolic narrative of writing the
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letter itself which I thought wow that
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is meta that he sat down to
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write a letter that was all
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about how hard it is to write a letter
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and the allegory was the mountain but
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anyway that's one theory. But it's also about spirituality
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isn't it and then that rings true doesn't it
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that maybe he did climb the mountain but then
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spent 15 years kind of percolating it in his
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head as sort of poetry. He
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was a poet after all and then wrote
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this like he did many times in his
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poetry wrote this mountain metaphor in this letter
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in which you know the climax actually
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isn't just about kind of look how
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small we are and look how amazing
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the world is but also look
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at what God sees. There's this bit
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where he says clouds were beneath me and
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suddenly what I heard and read about
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Athos and Olympus became less incredible
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to me when I looked out from this mountain
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of lesser fame. Well this mountain of lesser fame
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is the mountain from his neck of the woods
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it's the highest point in Provence. You
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know it's much closer to the center of
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Catholicism isn't it than Athos
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and Olympus. So I suppose what
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he's sort of saying as well
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is something about Christianity Is he
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saying that you know our spirituality is just
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as good as the great spirituality you just
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need Climb the mountain to say it. Is
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important that the idea that the renaissance of
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her religion giving way to him this and
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is the simplest the nonetheless have pets are
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explicitly links the struggle of the climb with
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striving for closeness to god. He writes if
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they're ready to ensure so much slaton labour
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in order that we may bring our bodies
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a little narrow has and how can a
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soul struggling toward God up the steps of
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human pride and human destiny see any cross
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or prison or sting of fourteen said him.
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The certainly was a spiritual experience and explicitly
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it's Christian one as Wow sports we have.
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That is that although this is one moment
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like Pet Rock is. Credited with helping to
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kick start the Renaissance. It's not even
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the only way he is credited with
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looks in the Renaissance scenario on his
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travels is always traveling around. He rescued
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loads of lost or forgotten manuscript by
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Ancient Roman a great authors, and it
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was the distribution of this canon of
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rediscovered text that that really did stop
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the intellectual movement that became known as
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the Renaissance. Later. Okay, so let's go
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back to the point that I
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was making earlier than which is
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the first would five hundred years.
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This letter and is episodes takes
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on a different meanings. A mess
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because mountaineering have literally taken on
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a different meaning. The word mountaineer
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existed in the early enlightenment and
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it meant people who lived on
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a mountain and harvested animals there
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and they were described as mezni
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of peasants. But then later and
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when mountaineering as a hobby became
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a leisure activity, those people. Appropriated
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the word for themselves. Out thinnest was
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another one. there's an alpha. This movement
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and mountain climbing in and of itself
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had begun to be seen in a
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mainstream, genteel way as a thing that
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people could do It doesn't mean they
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didn't do it before, but those people
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wanted to believe they were pioneers said
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they both looked back through history to
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say who else has climbed a mountain
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just for fun and found Petrov so
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they could kind of bring him into
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their movements whilst also saying and we
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the people who can't have invented this
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guy's. Yeah, mine's you. The romances jumped.
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of it a little bit. Every year these
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days there are amateur races to climb Vontu
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as quickly and often as possible in 24
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hours. On the 16th of May in 2006,
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Jean Pascal Roux from
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Bedouin broke the record of climbs in
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24 hours with 11 climbs.
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There's no romance in going up and
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down a single mountain 11 times in
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a row. Passing his copy of Augustine's
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confession was about it. And
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so another week of retrospecting ends.
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