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Kevin Flynn with Rebecca Lavoy and

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Brady Carlson. And. These other

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stories. And you know. Nine

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Nine. Law and Order Man,

1:02

I don't. See

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a ban on his. Stories

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either. There's no reason.

1:23

Weapons. Are these are their stories? The Podcast

1:25

about Network Tv. Most enduring cry and

1:27

franchise in the real life cases

1:29

that inspired their shows. I'd given

1:32

Flynn. Each podcast will break down

1:34

an episode from either Criminal Intent

1:36

as for You or Original Recipe

1:38

And today we're looking at the

1:40

Mothership Law and Order. Season Twenty

1:42

Two, Episode nineteen. Private. Life

1:44

is not what you think or hope is

1:46

not worth it because what I think is

1:49

that you are following a little boy to

1:51

your brother's home in secret. Please. Ryan

1:53

wasn't molesting Taylor. He was treating

1:55

her. Her. Yes,

2:01

Hey, where is trends join? It has

2:03

to do just that. Is True Crime.

2:05

Author and host of Crime Riders on

2:08

Netflix is you can't make this a

2:10

podcast. It's Rebecca Laboy, Hello Rebecca Kevin

2:12

And rounding out our panel is our

2:14

special guests from Be Cool Weird Awesome

2:17

Podcast. If. Brady girls and allow

2:19

Brady last time I checked Kevin death

2:21

isn't reversible is not refer to support

2:23

of That's a myth that some real

2:25

good the law and order to test

2:27

their this this this a similar conversation

2:29

for your ass So I just want

2:32

to give a programming node.we're going to

2:34

be going on our first. Hiatus,

2:36

Kevin is and me We're going off

2:38

the air. No no doubt, just means

2:40

that Season nine of. These their Stories

2:42

will premiere in July of S and will

2:44

have some nice a classic rewind for he

2:46

would be that this is episode two hundred

2:48

and one. Wow way would have a people not

2:50

to listen Can. Without a break specific that either

2:53

that or you'd better be like a Law

2:55

and Order length played as he. We're not

2:57

talking twelve years. It's just like a few

2:59

episodes. Well I don't. I mean that we

3:01

could get drugs, Will Bledsoe and perhaps we

3:04

disown comeback but I don't the I don't

3:06

envision that have no. Of course for coming

3:08

back it's all started. Upgrade Brady, you are.

3:10

Ah, you're the first episode that we recorded

3:12

and I have to know how is your

3:14

life changed for the better since then. Well.

3:17

I'm always looking to cut a deal. When

3:19

a deal is necessary for my trials are

3:22

not going the way that they really should

3:24

system when my evidence isn't as strong as

3:26

it ought to be when my witnesses fail

3:28

to cooperate. Nuts as you know, I

3:30

am I more likely to just do you know in

3:32

the in the words of. The. Original

3:34

da Adam Schiff take the deal.

3:37

Now that have that I knew

3:39

I take the deal and Titanic.

3:42

Yeah. When I just putting up with

3:44

this is this is so brave All

3:46

different sizes which two cops are your

3:49

favorite detective team same as I ordered

3:51

it A D d Well. I'm

3:55

just sit assess all.

3:58

says cause girls and saw All

4:00

of them. Well,

4:03

yeah, I'm sorry it ain't Cosgrove and

4:05

Shaw. I'm just gonna say that. I

4:07

mean I go back to Lenny Brisco

4:09

that's that's never gonna leave me. Right.

4:11

And Lenny Brisco is the man and

4:14

will always be sort of the the

4:17

gold standard for what this

4:19

character and what this type of character is supposed

4:21

to be. But I gotta say

4:23

I did watch the episode where Sam

4:25

Waterston left the show and I

4:28

do like the pairing of Reed Scott

4:30

and McConn Brooks. That's like a nice

4:33

Mm-hmm set of detectives there. Those two are

4:35

good. I'm basing this on one hour of

4:37

Network TV. And

4:42

who is your favorite prosecutorial team?

4:44

Favorite law and order, District Attorney

4:46

Prosecutorial Team. Well,

4:48

it's gotta be Jack McCoy and

4:51

Claire Kincaid makes you rest in peace. Makes

4:53

you rest in peace. Always. I would

4:55

bet if you cross- I bet if you check my

4:57

answers for when we taped that first episode a zillion

5:00

years ago, my answers probably have not changed.

5:02

Yeah, you know Jill Hennesy is alive though,

5:04

right? Just

5:09

give me a minute. I'm still swooning. Yeah,

5:11

I'm glad to hear that. Just checking. Did

5:13

you ever watch Crossing Jordan and

5:15

just kind of like fantasize that

5:18

it's just really Claire in witness

5:20

protection? What

5:22

I really wanted that show to be

5:24

was like it was Claire Kincaid hidden

5:27

from sight, but she was actually secretly taking

5:29

revenge on people. So it was a totally

5:32

different meaning of the phrase crossing

5:34

Jordan. Do not cross Jordan. Oh, gotcha.

5:38

All right, let's take a look at the first half of

5:40

this episode, Law and Order, season 22, episode 19, Private Lives.

5:45

Right-wing Congresswoman Kristen Bartell returns home to

5:48

find her husband beaten to death in

5:50

his home office and yet, like

5:52

most right-wing Congresswoman, she thinks she's

5:54

the actual victim. This is my

5:57

fault. For.

6:00

Those supposed to be me. I was scheduled to

6:02

be here all day, but I got called into

6:04

the office last minute for an emergency committee meetings.

6:07

Were. Miss you so service your the intended target.

6:10

I'm. A conservative congresswoman. In a

6:12

state where admitting that out loud as

6:14

a mortal sins. I'm. Constantly receiving

6:16

threats in the minds of far less

6:19

activists and will literally the devil. Detective

6:21

Sprang Cosgrave a jail in Shaw

6:23

question both a librarian slashed drag

6:25

queen and and and see the

6:27

activists about their threatening emails. but

6:30

they've got alibis that are solid

6:32

and woke physicists at the victim

6:34

was a doctor who had mysterious

6:36

appointments with the patient only known

6:38

by the initials T M. The

6:40

detectives learn he's. Thirteen. Year

6:42

old Taylor Myers who denies knowing

6:44

doctor parts I'll even though he

6:47

was captured on video. Taylor was

6:49

signed out of class for each

6:51

appointment by the school counselor who

6:53

happens to be Martell sister. She

6:55

tells Frank in jail on that

6:57

taylor his plans and her brother

6:59

was treating her with hormone blockers

7:01

even though Taylor's parents have posed

7:03

any gender affirming care. Dna.

7:05

Points to Taylor's father, Robert as

7:08

the killer and cause and saw

7:10

arrest him for the murder or

7:12

right? so the press Same political

7:14

issue Congresswoman Bartell has on her

7:17

mind two seconds before finding her

7:19

husband's dead body keeping trance kids

7:21

off of sports team. So instant

7:23

karma is gonna get you or

7:26

your husband If you're evil enough,

7:28

Assess, assess, Assess. Assess. Assess Assess

7:30

Assess. Yeah, I wrote

7:33

us as me out of someone get elected in New

7:35

York City right? the style with the fuck would that

7:37

happen. He I wrote especially when

7:39

it when you're slogan years I'm

7:41

literally the devil. Sit at a

7:43

certain all the people in my

7:45

district that's a hard one to

7:47

run on. c says what she

7:49

is i like that is ssssss rates

7:52

your your knowledge he looks you in

7:54

the i would see saves your hands

7:56

as he says i am the devil

7:58

assists i literally sf I like

8:00

that, you know, people of the devil. So

8:06

Cosgrove comes in and he looks at

8:08

the brutal homicide scene and he says,

8:10

Let me guess, one forced trauma? One

8:12

forced trauma? Somebody's

8:16

been taking CSI classes at night.

8:19

Yeah, at boredom. Well,

8:23

Gorin, he is not, but he was

8:25

not wrong. Nope. I

8:27

gotta say, I like the actor Jeffrey Donovan a

8:29

lot. He deserved a lot

8:31

better character, I think, than Frank Cosgrove.

8:34

I think he had the makings of

8:36

a really good lawn or a character,

8:39

but then they, like, make Cosgrove,

8:41

like, have all these curious questions

8:43

about LGBT Q issues. I

8:46

wish I think he didn't wear a Rogan fan. Yeah. It

8:49

just made it, right? It just kind of made

8:51

it hard to like the character. It made it

8:54

hard to like him, I think. Essentially,

8:56

like, you can see why they cast

8:58

him, because he had the sort

9:00

of right stuff to be a law and order detective.

9:03

Yeah. But they just kind of, like every episode I

9:05

saw, yeah, they kneecapped him, you know, and

9:07

worse, it's like, it's one

9:09

thing if your character is going to be like,

9:11

Oh, I'm, you know, I'm the tough

9:14

talking guy who says what he thinks and, you

9:16

know, I don't worry about being politically correct, but

9:19

they didn't. Every time he said something politically correct,

9:21

then like the next scene, he'd be like, well,

9:23

actually, I do like body cams. You

9:27

just go back on it right away.

9:29

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Stick

9:32

with your convictions, Cosgrove. Be a racist or

9:34

don't Cosgrove. Pick one. Pick a

9:36

lane. Well, Jeffrey Donovan has left the

9:38

show, decided to create a differences. Hopefully

9:40

those were the differences. He seems like

9:43

a good guy on Twitter. The season

9:45

22 finale was Sam Watterson's

9:48

400th episode, and it featured his

9:50

real life daughter as the

9:52

defense attorney. It kind of felt like NBC

9:54

switched up the order of things that

9:56

they shot and what they aired it because in

9:59

the penultimate episode. Cosgrove

10:01

was shot. Frank, Frank, you're

10:03

bleeding. Yeah,

10:09

bullets will do that to you, I guess. 10-13, officer

10:11

Depp! 10-13! Survived,

10:15

came to court with stitches under his eye

10:17

and his arm in a sling and thoughts

10:19

about leaving the police department. And in the

10:21

next episode, no sling, perfectly healthy,

10:23

no mention of it, pepping his step like

10:26

nothing ever happened. Yeah. Back

10:28

to business. I don't know what health insurance plan they get

10:30

there in New York, but apparently it's really cool. The city

10:32

one! The city one! That's why they all want to be cops.

10:35

They've got the best EAP in the whole entire world

10:38

of policing. 72 hours and he's just

10:40

like over it. It's

10:42

where they were fighting for their

10:45

pension. Those benefits are incredible. Yeah. So

10:48

one of their first suspects is a

10:50

librarian who sent threatening emails to the

10:52

congresswoman. And Cosgrove and Shaw

10:54

learned that his side hustle is

10:57

doing drag reading hour at

10:59

the library. You do it in drag. Well, the

11:01

idea is to get kids excited about reading by

11:03

making it fun. Aren't drag

11:06

queens more of an adult thing? Drag

11:08

is just a celebration of who you are.

11:11

The kids love it. It makes it fun.

11:13

As in, he goes, well, there's this full-colored

11:15

poster right behind you that

11:17

I just happen to have. Yes, with

11:20

some great contouring. Great contouring, said

11:23

Cameron Mannheim, Lieutenant Dick. There's

11:26

another actress who probably deserves

11:28

a little better character. This guy is like,

11:30

oh, I sent her death threats because I

11:32

wanted her to feel what it's like because

11:34

all these people who hate me are always

11:37

throwing all this hate at me. And I

11:39

want her to feel how terrifying that is.

11:41

But by the way, I'm also a pacifist.

11:43

So, therefore, I never would have possibly murdered

11:46

her. She's not a pacifist

11:48

in my dreams. So,

11:52

I mean, like, you couldn't let that

11:54

sort of that, like, this guy who

11:56

admitted to two detectives. Yeah,

11:59

I sent someone a... death threat because I

12:01

wanted her to be terrified. You didn't want

12:03

to just like let that simmer a bit?

12:05

No, that's so good. So

12:10

after making a couple of arrests that

12:12

don't pan out, Lieutenant Dixon says, hey,

12:14

weren't there video cameras outside the house when this

12:16

murder happened? And they're like, yeah, I

12:18

wonder what happened to those videos? I

12:22

mean, we've been down at the library, we went

12:24

to some coffee shop and had to chase the

12:26

guy out the back, but man, I think the

12:28

video might be actually pretty helpful. So

12:31

they go to Bartel's house to get

12:33

those videos and we

12:35

can see that down the hallway to

12:38

the entrance to the office, it is

12:40

still covered with yellow police tape. Yeah.

12:42

Like they're gonna be painting in there

12:44

or something. Yes. What is the appropriate

12:46

amount of time to then take the

12:48

yellow crime scene tape off

12:50

of your own door? Is it like

12:52

12 days after Christmas, then it's

12:54

okay? Okay, clearly you've never watched

12:56

the staircase carefully because

12:59

Michael Peterson lived

13:01

with that police tape and that crime scene in

13:03

his house for fucking years.

13:05

Rebecca was a trophy, come on.

13:08

Stop it! For the owl? For the owl.

13:13

I mean that Congresswoman basically is like never

13:15

home anyway, right? So who's there to even

13:17

take it down? She's just rushing in and

13:19

out of the house because she's literally the

13:22

devil, she has to go out and commit

13:24

evil. Yeah, like you can't

13:26

go in there. Rebecca, by the way, if you get murdered, don't

13:28

let it be in the bathroom because I need that. Yes,

13:30

we know. To read. To read. And play

13:33

games. Don't let them use the lamp either if

13:35

you need to read. He

13:38

doesn't need a lamp for Candy Crush, but he does need a toilet

13:40

for that. To crush the candy? Or

13:43

crush the toilet. So

13:46

Bartel hands them a stack of DVDs and

13:48

says, sorry this took so long, we

13:51

were burning all of them on DVD. Like,

13:57

you don't have Dropbox or what the... Alright. The

14:00

heck yeah I don't have Dvds. Where

14:02

I am is is this is a

14:04

set which is two thousand and twenty

14:06

six Ssssss that. I

14:09

really, hey, it's that girl City

14:11

is that girl guinea? Give me

14:13

the name of the actors. Playing

14:15

Congresswoman Kristin Barred tell

14:17

President. Or right that's Pc

14:19

the older sister sauce Alexander otherwise known

14:21

as More Isles and Resilient as. My.

14:24

Husband is said. And

14:26

I miss him terribly. For right now

14:28

I need to worry about me, my

14:31

career, my future. This is

14:33

the only thing that I have

14:35

left. Yes! Sauce Alexander born Susanna

14:37

drubbed notch avic best known as

14:39

playing as pcs older sister Gretchen

14:41

and Dawson's Creek. Is actually best there

14:44

as more I'll sensors Elena yeah you want

14:46

to read my my notes it? you know

14:48

how much time I spent two other research

14:50

and writing this paragraph? You. Know how nice

14:52

result was through a fucking cool a

14:55

Man's rule In every single I've written,

14:57

you know how much Rizzoli and Isles

14:59

and Dawson's Creek I have watched? I

15:01

was born for this. Say. It's a

15:03

stripper tested are at well let me

15:05

tell the rest of America. Avoid: Yeah,

15:07

wretched excesses. Greasy Was in the first

15:09

three seasons As and C I S

15:11

and three seasons of Shameless. But. I

15:15

zero here, but Rebecca knows

15:17

her. As

15:20

brave know there's more isles is that

15:22

he had these Rizzoli and Isles with

15:24

costar Angie Harmon as right and the

15:26

Hormone My. Savor it. Basic

15:28

cable Tv. Set up a

15:30

successor right It a world of long

15:32

time. I have for know that that

15:34

was on for as long as a

15:36

was six. Years at Louis. A wonderful or a

15:38

rock out and it's like it's is it. So I

15:41

didn't watch it when it was on. I

15:43

have discovered it in reruns. S is is

15:45

so bad that it is great it is.

15:47

I watch every time every month have been

15:49

a channels and oh really. now though I

15:51

see this one seventeen times I should stop

15:53

and watch it again. though a more

15:56

episodes of crossing source ssssss as

15:58

to why better watched a ton

16:00

of Brazilian Isles. Tasha

16:02

Alexander's mother-in-law. Yeah. Who

16:04

is Sophia Loren?

16:07

Sophia Loren, yeah. Yes,

16:10

and of course, Sophia Loren's sister,

16:12

Maria, was the ex-wife of Romano

16:14

Mussolini, who is the son of

16:16

Italian dictator Benito Mussolini, and this

16:18

is how the apprentice got made.

16:21

Oh my god! She's married to

16:23

Sophia Loren's son? She is. Yeah,

16:25

that's how that works. Good at her. Well, one of

16:27

them, not, she has two, but yeah, one of them.

16:29

Good at her. Wow. Now, I went back and I

16:31

watched the last scene that she

16:33

did on NCIS because

16:35

they literally, it was

16:37

literal character assassination. They had her character

16:40

shot and killed. Really? Yeah,

16:42

like in the head. Well, I mean, I

16:44

apologize to spoil people from the first couple

16:46

of seasons of NCIS, which was what, like

16:48

60 years ago now? Yeah. But

16:51

it was like a swerve. They got her shot

16:53

first, where it looked like she wasn't dead, and

16:55

she was fine, and then they shot her a

16:57

second time. Wow. But before they

16:59

did that, one of her character's last words I wrote down

17:01

was, and I quote, ow! And

17:07

they resolved the writer's strike anyway.

17:09

Yeah. Okay. When

17:12

Sasha was in high school, she was

17:14

cast as the lead in the musical

17:16

Baby, but hours before the

17:18

show was to go on the male lead

17:21

chickened out. So, Sasha

17:23

went on and performed both roles to

17:25

the delight of the audience. Not surprising.

17:27

She was the Rizzoli and the Isles

17:29

of Baby. She did it,

17:31

yeah. I wonder if that makes things better, to

17:33

just have one person doing both things. Like, hey, Rebecca,

17:35

what do you think of McConn Brooks? Well,

17:38

Kevin, I think, and I'll just show you your microphone, what do you think of

17:40

McConn Brooks? You know what

17:42

I think of him, Matt. Well, Kevin, I don't think you

17:44

should objectify men in such a way. They're hunter-gatherers to this

17:46

day, so, yeah. I

17:49

follow him on Instagram because he's such a good actor.

17:52

Yeah, I'm going to shut you right off.

17:54

Okay. So, Have

17:57

you seen his Instagram? He is not talking about acting

17:59

on it. Instagram. He only put suit

18:01

signs and has bodybuilding. Far as

18:03

on his Instagram it's wonderful. I

18:06

didn't know anybody didn't do

18:08

that other as a as

18:11

a. Result

18:13

is that makes him the

18:15

seconds sexy as detective ever

18:17

at the precinct own princess

18:19

seem. To.

18:21

Answer Is A reboot. Angie Harmon told Entertainment

18:24

Tonight that she would love to reprise the

18:26

role as Abby Carmichael in an appearance on

18:28

Law and Order, and Dick Wolf said, when

18:30

the phone doesn't ring, you'll know it's me.

18:34

A little a lot with sit at. Have

18:38

nothing but does seek she couldn't remember

18:40

her life's oh was of the edged

18:42

swords and you could tell to abuse

18:45

Towards the end of her run they

18:47

were point assists meaning they were giving

18:49

her fewer and fewer lines. or at

18:51

least they were making them shorter and

18:53

simpler than than than them as the

18:56

cold out artefact lil. So

18:58

we have a repeat offender. Of

19:00

Cinder who was that plane attorney

19:03

Allison do Months Ryan barred cell

19:05

with an activist. A

19:07

doctor who preyed on a confused

19:10

trials in order to further his

19:12

own liberal agenda. Says that puts

19:14

the lotion on the skin. Lab rock.

19:16

Why? Surface. Yep! Roc Smith A

19:18

sudden. Burst onto the scene as Skyn

19:21

One Z. Catherine. Large Silence

19:23

Alliance. And

19:29

I fell on. Sober. Up

19:31

for it's so where are the

19:33

surface? Of the Union suits

19:35

his efforts. Suggest the. The

19:40

an Arab perfect that will. That

19:42

Last year Brooke gave tours of

19:44

the same as Buffalo Bill House

19:46

near Pittsburgh. Well shot sounds of

19:48

the lambs because I'd it's Malik

19:50

kind of museum and you could

19:52

rent it as. An. air b n

19:54

b know yeah you're definitely keep

19:57

the lotion a get the whole

19:59

know No. True. No.

20:03

Seven Law and Order appearances, including one

20:05

in which she appeared with Future Grey's

20:07

Anatomy castmate, Ellen Pompeo, and

20:10

Future Crossing Jordan's

20:12

co-star, Jill Hennesy.

20:15

That's right. It all comes back

20:17

to Jill Hennesy and Crossing Jordan. Brooke Smith

20:19

was on, yeah, Crossing Jordan.

20:21

Brooke's character in this Law and Order episode

20:23

that she was on, she tries to convince

20:26

Claire to leave the DA's office and

20:29

get her killed. So fuck

20:31

you, Brooke Smith. Come

20:33

on. You're taking your

20:35

fucking nose where it doesn't belong. Of

20:37

course she'd end up being the defense

20:39

attorney for this guy. Yeah.

20:42

So you gotta, hey, it's that guy.

20:45

Hey, it's that guy. Who's

20:47

playing the school principal? Um, unfortunately

20:50

he had to repeat a year due

20:52

to an extended absence last spring. He's

20:56

been struggling with mental health issues. That

20:58

actor is Ramsay Faragala, 11 Law

21:01

and Order universe appearances for the

21:03

trifecta. If you look at his

21:05

IMDb page, you can see that

21:07

he's been typecast throughout his career

21:09

as most actors of Middle Eastern

21:11

descent are, unfortunately. Terrorist, terrorist, terrorist.

21:13

Well either as a doctor, a

21:15

sheik, or a terrorist. He

21:18

was Brody's double agent handler,

21:20

Masur Al-Zarani, in Homeland.

21:23

I'm all set up for that big double cross. Yeah. Now

21:26

you can play a Homeland trading card

21:28

game. Kind of like Magic the Gathering.

21:30

You have different cards, different characters, you

21:32

throw them down. And

21:35

the Al-Zarani card is a plus two

21:37

hit and draw two intel cards.

21:39

So it's pretty good. Are you making this

21:41

up? I'm not making this up. This

21:44

is real. And you can

21:46

get the Al-Zarani card autographed

21:48

by Ramsay for four

21:50

dollars. So

21:53

you want to complete your collection, that's where you

21:55

go. Plus shipping and handling? I think, yeah,

21:58

you might have to go pick it up. How

22:00

much is Hugh Dancy's wife's card? Oh, probably

22:02

a lot more. It's not a wrap. Yeah,

22:06

the card comes with a lot of red string. Yeah. And

22:09

you just, it's wrapped up like that. Yeah, yeah,

22:11

yeah. It's covered in, it's covered in tears. Yeah,

22:13

it's just ugly tears. Yeah, the

22:15

card is just her ugly crying face.

22:18

So, yeah, it's not great. Lastly, can

22:20

you tell me who's playing librarian and

22:22

aspiring drag queen Dwayne Washington? I was

22:24

being dramatic, but Bartel introduced a bill

22:26

that would ban children from being exposed

22:28

to drag queens. It's a coded way

22:30

of telling the crazies out there that

22:32

were pedophiles. It sparks all kinds

22:34

of online hate. That's Daniel Frank

22:36

Kelly, aka Paige Turner. Oh.

22:39

Paige Turner. Paige Turner is

22:41

a drag star who appeared in shows

22:43

like City Boys and Livin' on a

22:45

Prairie. So if you

22:48

perform in drag and then you appear on TV

22:50

out of drag, aren't you actually

22:53

performing in drag? No. Right?

22:56

Whoa. I've just taken it

22:58

down a couple levels, right? That's not how it

23:00

works. Is that how it works? You're like, this

23:02

isn't surprise. Someone needs to

23:05

watch more drag race and just get educated

23:07

on this issue. Paige

23:10

Turner has her latest

23:12

single out now on Spotify.

23:15

It's called Tucked Myself In.

23:17

Love that. I

23:20

love that. She

23:25

takes credit for coining the

23:27

catchphrase, slurp. Whereas

23:30

I take credit for the term, is this because

23:32

I'm a lesbian? Is this because I'm a lesbian?

23:34

Okay. So the

23:36

problem with the security footage is that

23:39

each time the mysterious patient, TM, shows

23:41

up, the camera gets switched off, including

23:44

right before the murder. Now the cops are like,

23:47

how could this happen right at the most important

23:49

time? And now I'm like, now you know how

23:51

it feels when your body cam, quote unquote, fails

23:53

to work whenever you shoot somebody. So

24:01

T.M. turns out to be Taylor Meyers, a

24:04

student at some fancy private school. They

24:06

do get him on video once, and

24:09

it's the first time that he goes to Dr. Bartel's

24:11

home when they question him. He says, well, I never

24:13

met him. But then they confront him with the video,

24:15

and he says he was there to sell chocolate bars

24:17

for the school. He went in the doctor to talk

24:19

for a full 40 minutes. Oh, that house.

24:22

That guy, yeah, he was super talkative. I mean,

24:24

he talked forever. I just didn't get his name.

24:26

I never saw him again. I call bullshit on

24:28

that school needing to hold fundraisers like selling candy. Or

24:31

anything. Or anything. If they got to sell

24:33

candy, those people send their au pair out

24:35

to do it. I was going to say, yeah, that's something

24:38

that the help does, not the students. Does

24:40

a single witness that they talk to not lie first? No,

24:46

the librarian doesn't lie. The librarian's like, no,

24:48

I sent the hateful email. Oh, yeah, okay.

24:50

I'm not going to lie. I'm

24:52

not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going

24:54

to lie. I sent the hateful email. Oh,

24:56

yeah, okay. I get the librarian. That's one case where

24:59

you may want to sort of play your cards a

25:01

little closer to that. A

25:03

blinged out vest. But I mean, like, okay. But

25:06

everybody else is just like, no, I am going to

25:08

tell you a completely made up story from the get

25:10

go. And I'm going to hold tight to it as

25:12

long as I can. Yes. I just, I still can't

25:15

get over like those kids going like, oh, if I sell enough Hershey

25:17

bars, we get a pizza party. Have you seen the

25:19

refrigerator in that kid's apartment? Like they do not need

25:21

to do a fundraiser. They don't need a fundraiser. It's

25:23

seven feet wide. They're so rich.

25:25

The people in this episode are so rich. I

25:27

do like that they're going back to rich people

25:29

only exclusively. It's really good for my real estate.

25:31

That's a classic lawyer. Yeah. Yeah.

25:34

Why is it everybody was running away from him in this

25:37

episode? Like I just want to talk. Even

25:39

the kid like ran out of school

25:41

and then into the street like he's

25:43

baby Noah. Almost died. Yeah. Almost

25:46

get it by car. If only

25:48

that had happened to baby Noah. Oh,

25:50

I'm sorry. Mine had to soon. Mine not supposed

25:52

to. I'm like shit on baby Noah. I

25:55

like talking about the baby Jesus.

25:57

It's like a whole different kind

25:59

of Jesus. You

26:01

know, there's older

26:03

goes to dance class Noah and then

26:05

there's baby Noah who would fucking swallow

26:08

a quarter And

26:10

it'd be like a whole two-part episode But

26:16

guys when it's time for the arrest Frank and

26:18

Jalen go to the Myers house But the DNA

26:20

doesn't point to Taylor it does

26:22

point to a male relative. So they

26:25

say to Robert Myers Roll

26:27

up your sleeves and we can see is

26:29

all covered in scratches roll up your sleeves

26:34

Turn your hands off I Want

26:38

to wear you can call one down at this nation

26:41

who goes to someone's house to kill them wearing short

26:44

sleeves And

26:46

he's like this is my good. This is my killing golf

26:48

shirt and I just wanted It

26:50

seems like it's really bad planning especially for what time

26:52

of year it was. It's hot though

26:54

now, you know I mean like that that seems

26:56

like a very 1990 kind of

26:58

presumption that we have like, you know I mean it

27:00

was like 75 here last week

27:03

and it's still technically winter Yeah, do

27:05

you think maybe he was just sort of like dramatically unbuttoning

27:07

his cuffs and rolling up the sleeves like a 1900s bare

27:09

knuckle Boxer,

27:11

it's like where he gives the names to

27:13

his fists. He's like, oh you want fisticuffs?

27:15

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all right now let's take a look at the second half of this

28:28

episode Robert Myers lawyer says

28:30

that she'll argue self-defense saying Bartel

28:32

was an activist doctor conducting experiments

28:35

on a child without parental permission

28:37

any violence in Myers past there

28:39

was a prior incident in his daughter's

28:41

school a few months ago Myers flipped

28:43

out when consent of the Taylor's gender

28:46

dysphoria what do you

28:48

do smash the counselors through some Bartel's

28:50

laptop through a coffee mug and

28:52

shoved her up against the wall okay

28:55

establishes he's got a temper prosecutor Nolan

28:58

price concedes to the jury Bartel should

29:00

have had the parents permission but the

29:02

treatment is legal and beating someone to

29:04

death isn't to have

29:08

to make that point Congresswoman Bartel revealed

29:10

she overheard Myers threats against her husband

29:12

but testifying lets her base know that

29:15

she was aware that gender-affirming care was

29:17

happening in her own home price

29:20

and assistant Samantha Maroon are still

29:22

stuck on who signed Taylor out

29:24

of school for her final appointment

29:26

it wasn't the counselor it was Taylor's

29:28

mother Deborah who secretly gave permission to

29:31

the doctor to treat her daughter the

29:33

defense wants to call Taylor to

29:35

the stand to refute the testimony but

29:38

Deborah begs Nolan to keep her off the

29:40

stand to protect her well-being the

29:42

a Jack McCoy says the only way to

29:44

prevent the testimony is to offer a deal

29:47

Myers agrees to a 15-year sentence a

29:49

sentence not long enough for the widowed

29:52

congresswoman who says she'll be

29:54

replaced by an even more extreme

29:56

politician making the world even less

29:58

safe for training Okay, one question

30:00

I've always had about the trials of law

30:03

and order in the law and order universe

30:05

is why do the jurors come to court

30:07

wearing suits? Like they're on trial. You know

30:09

that in real life that isn't what happens.

30:12

Nope. I mean,

30:14

guys are rolling in with their Van Halen shirts. Yes, anything

30:16

they want. You can wear anything you want to court

30:18

when you're a juror. Remember, these

30:20

are the people who couldn't get out of

30:22

jury duty. They're rolling with joggers and

30:24

old navy hoodies, and it's like, I'll decide who's a

30:26

murderer. Thank you very much. You

30:29

know what? They're giving me $20 and

30:31

lunch. Yeah, that's suit worthy. So

30:37

Attorney Dumont argues it was self-defense. And

30:40

while cross-examining Shaw, she pulls

30:42

out a hyperdermic needle and

30:44

suggests he might have been attacked with that.

30:47

And would you agree that a

30:49

needle like this would qualify as

30:52

a weapon? I

30:54

suppose given

30:56

certain circumstances, it could.

30:59

That giant needle? Are those

31:01

hormone blockers injected in the back of the

31:04

mouth like a dentist? That is a huge needle. That

31:09

was for another one of his patients who was

31:11

like an elephant. Yeah, it's not an, it's one

31:13

of those injectable turkey baster things. It

31:15

just is like, oh,

31:17

that's really long. You mean like

31:19

for IVF or something? Is

31:22

that what you're thinking? Like

31:24

don't they just go in the arm? Is it

31:26

like we're in the butt? So

31:29

there's the obligatory moral quandary to debate

31:31

between Price and Maroon. Taylor

31:33

has known who she is since she was old enough to

31:35

talk. She's a kid.

31:38

Right now, she thinks she knows who she

31:40

is. What about in five years? I didn't have half

31:42

a clue about anything when I was 13 years old.

31:46

There's a difference between not knowing if

31:48

you want to be an astronaut or

31:50

a firefighter when you grow up and

31:53

not knowing who you are. You

31:55

never felt like you weren't a boy. Imagine

31:58

being trapped in a field. female body

32:00

forced to grow boobs. How

32:02

would you like to grow up and be forced to

32:05

grow boobs? And

32:07

then they had this really awkward exchange of looks

32:09

as if Maroon said something

32:11

she didn't want to say and maybe said

32:13

more than she needed to say or maybe

32:16

she was revealing something. That was

32:18

weird. And that argument was the second

32:20

of the two arguments in that vein on the

32:22

show and that was the more thoughtful one. Because

32:25

early on there's a scene where Cosgrove was like,

32:27

I don't get any of this. And

32:29

Shaw just kind of no sells it. He's just

32:32

like, yeah, well, you know what? We've got this

32:34

murder to solve. He's just like, I am just

32:36

going to be a gray rock here. I am

32:38

not going to like take this bait. And

32:40

Shaw is a more progressive one, right, of the duo? And he's

32:42

just like, who am I? I'm not going to explain this to

32:44

you, old man. Right. He

32:47

just sort of kind of gives him an okay boomer and

32:49

then goes back to trying to do his job. Right.

32:53

See, I think both of you are missing the important point, which

32:55

is that this discussion is about Maroon's boobs. Okay. Right.

32:58

That's what it's about. That's

33:00

what you want it to be about. Well, I think, I

33:02

mean, why else would they look at each other like, oh,

33:04

shit, what? You grow those boobs? I see. I

33:07

see. I think she's just like, so

33:09

how are you going to ruin someone's life this week, sir?

33:13

And the answer is all the ways. All

33:15

the times. All the ways, all the times.

33:17

All the ways. Sam Watterson had

33:20

eight more episodes as Jack McCoy

33:22

before leaving one month ago

33:24

from today's recording. He's in 405

33:26

episodes. None

33:29

of them in which his scene partner was a pie plate. I'm

33:32

like Mike Moriarty. His

33:34

return to the show for the resumption of, I

33:37

don't know if we call this, this isn't technically

33:39

a reboot, right, when they resumed. It's a reboot.

33:42

A reboot would be like it's all new characters

33:44

and, well, anyway, it was, I mean, I don't

33:46

think it would have been Law and Order without him. It

33:48

would have been, it would have felt like a clean

33:50

slate reboot. It wouldn't feel like sort of the,

33:53

like a continuation here. Brady,

33:55

for decades, actors swapped out. A lot

33:57

of interchangeable parts in the casting. But

34:00

it was still law and order, except

34:02

for Sam Waterston. He was there, you know,

34:04

he was the Rock. Is this

34:07

still going to be law and order without

34:09

Sam Waterston? I

34:13

mean, yes. But I

34:16

think the problem with this new

34:19

law and order, which is, it's hard to

34:21

call it a reboot. But

34:23

it kind of is too, is

34:25

that it itself is not really

34:28

law and order. I mean,

34:30

one thing that struck me about this particular

34:32

episode was that if

34:34

it had happened in the original run of the

34:36

series, and this

34:39

congresswoman had hid a

34:41

huge piece of knowledge from the

34:43

cops as they were investigating the

34:45

murder of her husband because of

34:47

her politics, because it would make

34:49

her political life difficult. Jack

34:52

McCoy would have prosecuted

34:54

her. He would

34:57

have charged her. Right away,

35:00

he would just be like, are you

35:02

kidding me? And he would have put

35:04

some charges on her. And that would

35:06

have potentially been an interesting twist in

35:08

the show because basically she was hindering

35:10

prosecution. And that would have drove

35:12

him nuts. But here, all he kind

35:15

of does is go, well, just make sure

35:17

that the people who were on the jury

35:19

for a murder trial knows that someone got

35:21

killed here. That's right. Hang

35:23

him low, McCoy. That's what he does right here. Yeah,

35:25

seriously. He's just, you know, he's kind of, he's been

35:28

running out the clock. Yeah.

35:31

Sam's 83. And

35:34

in the last few seasons, I'd say kind

35:36

of showed he really didn't, he left the

35:38

little zip on the fastball. I

35:40

want to say like, hey, Sam, it was

35:42

really great when you first got the job

35:44

because the other guy was crazy, but it

35:47

might be time to let someone 20 years

35:49

younger do the job before

35:51

another crazy guy comes along. And

35:53

I don't know what national event

35:55

that like also corresponds with, but

35:57

I'm just feeling like, okay, boomer.

36:02

It's good to know when it's time to

36:04

move along. I did like that they let

36:06

Sam Watterson do one more speech to the

36:08

jury. Yeah. In that episode,

36:10

because he's like, finally he kind of fired back

36:12

up and he was bringing some of the old

36:14

Jack McCoy out. I all accounts,

36:17

he is a decent person. Most

36:21

of the time. But

36:23

on the morning of December 12th, he was

36:25

not. He was

36:28

a killer. But

36:31

the difference is, although the DA is

36:33

an elected position, Sam Watterson

36:35

didn't run for the office of playing

36:37

Jack McCoy. You know that, right, Kevin?

36:40

Yeah, I know that. He was hired

36:42

for this. It was a job. She's

36:44

good at it. Fucking good at it. So

36:49

in the end, the Congresswoman has a

36:51

little, how do you like them, Adam's

36:53

apples exchange with price? Hey. She

36:56

says, my primary opponent is

36:58

already running attack ads claiming

37:00

that I support genital mutilation.

37:02

That is all the more reason to protect. I

37:05

will get it. Thanks

37:08

to you, I will likely

37:10

be replaced by someone who doesn't even believe

37:13

the trans people are real. That

37:16

if all may believe,

37:18

so the only thing that you've

37:20

accomplished here is making the world

37:22

less safe for those children. I'm

37:24

improving Brady Carlson's theory that he

37:27

cannot get justice without ruining someone

37:29

else's life, such as the entire

37:31

trans community. Well played, Nolan Price.

37:34

This whole thing makes no fucking sense. All

37:36

right. Can we just say this whole thing makes no fucking sense? Here's

37:39

why. Okay? She's not

37:41

going to lose her seat to a more conservative person in New

37:43

York City. Okay? First of

37:45

all, second of all, this

37:48

whole prosecution, the beating

37:50

up thing had to

37:52

have been murder because

37:54

the doctor, because the dad,

37:57

the whole thing wasn't like it

37:59

was consensual. the treatment, the

38:01

dad didn't fucking know that because the mom

38:03

forged his signature, right? The

38:06

whole motive for the dads murdering the doctor was

38:08

that the dad thought that the doctor was doing

38:10

the treatment without his consent, right? And

38:12

so that the prosecution comes in and says,

38:15

aha, but the treatment was consensual because the

38:17

mom gave consent, right? The dad

38:19

didn't fucking know that because the mom forged

38:21

the dad's signature. So now this

38:23

whole theory of the prosecution and the whole

38:25

like breaking apart of the defense makes no

38:27

sense. This whole thing makes no sense. This

38:29

whole episode makes no sense. Makes

38:32

zero sense. All of

38:34

the characters who are in this are

38:37

really quick to assign

38:39

themselves like whatever they

38:41

do is going to determine

38:43

the fate of all trans kids everywhere.

38:45

Yes. Yeah. You

38:48

know, so like they're having that, that meeting with Jack McCoy

38:50

where they're like, well, if we have this kid testify, they

38:52

could kill themselves. And all of this would

38:55

have been for nothing. And the congresswoman's like,

38:57

well, if, you know, if I'm not in Congress,

38:59

then all the trans kids are going to be

39:01

murdered. And it's like, that's

39:03

not really quite how the world work. Right.

39:06

You know, there's a lot of main character syndrome going on. Yeah.

39:09

But at the same time, like literally all

39:11

of the characters who are

39:13

all fighting over this kid, all

39:15

of them put the kid last. Exactly.

39:21

They are all doing their own

39:23

thing about the kid with the

39:25

kid's interest at the very bottom

39:27

of the pile, including the mom

39:29

who had that big tearful scene

39:32

who is saying, I was so worried

39:34

that my kid was going to kill themselves and

39:36

I couldn't live with that. And so I had

39:38

to accept her as a daughter instead of a

39:40

son and so on. And it's like, but she

39:43

also like completely hid all of this stuff from

39:45

the cops as well as her husband because

39:47

she didn't want any of the blowback to come back

39:49

on her. So she's like, she's looking out for number

39:51

one. She's not looking out for the kid. That's

39:54

right. It's all about me. Yeah. She

39:57

said like her replacement might be worse, but like you weren't really

39:59

helping things already, you know?

40:01

Being merely indifferent doesn't make you an ally.

40:03

You don't have to like go do a

40:05

reading at the drag story hour, but you

40:07

could probably let the coach decide who gets

40:09

on the track team instead of you. Yeah,

40:11

at the beginning we hear she's meeting

40:14

with what? Americans for Prosperity

40:16

or whatever? She's on her way to,

40:18

yeah, she's like, I need to decide whether I'm

40:20

going to go to this rally against trans rights.

40:22

And at the end she's like, well, without me,

40:24

those trans kids are finished. And it's

40:26

like, you weren't helping, lady. You weren't

40:29

helping. She's like, oh, my husband and

40:31

I loved each other, but we disagreed

40:33

on everything about politics. She thought the

40:35

human rights were politics. Well, she's

40:37

literally the devil. If it weren't for me, who

40:39

was going to slow walk this legislation? Does

40:43

not make sense. Does not make sense.

40:46

What is Chewbacca doing on Endor? It does

40:48

not make sense. Not an e-walk. Have

40:53

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let's take a look at the real life story that

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inspired this episode. It's time for Rip From The Headlines.

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You think you know who did it? You think

41:49

you know who did it? But you don't know

41:51

who did it? You don't know who did

41:53

it? Rip From The

41:55

Headlines. takes

42:00

its inspiration from the politically motivated attack

42:03

on the husband of former House Speaker

42:05

Nancy Pelosi. In October 2022,

42:07

Paul Pelosi was alone in their San Francisco

42:09

home when an intruder broke in, threw a

42:12

rear door at around 2.30 in the morning.

42:15

David DePapp was armed with two hammers,

42:17

zip ties and duct tape. He

42:19

woke the sleeping 82-year-old and asked to see

42:22

Nancy. When he told him she wasn't

42:24

home, DePapp said he would wait. Pelosi

42:26

called 911 and calmly told

42:28

the operator a gentleman was waiting for the speaker.

42:31

When patrolmen arrived at the home, they found the two

42:33

of them struggling over the hammer. The

42:35

intruder refused to drop it, then smashed it

42:37

into Pelosi's head before the officers could subdue

42:39

him. Pelosi was hospitalized for a

42:41

week with a fractured skull and injuries to his

42:44

right hand and arm. Investigators say

42:46

DePapp had been radicalized by right-wing

42:48

conspiracies and had a hit list

42:50

of other Democrats. In

42:52

November, David DePapp was convicted of two

42:54

federal felonies for attacking the House Speaker's

42:56

husband. A jury has yet to decide

42:58

his fate on separate state charges. All

43:00

the assault. So

43:07

DePapp will be sentenced on those

43:09

federal charges on April 24th and

43:12

then the state trial comes up. I

43:15

think the state trial has probably more serious

43:17

charges, at least carry heavier penalties even

43:21

though the federal charges

43:23

are probably going to be very hefty, the

43:25

federal sentence I should say. In

43:28

a Washington Post poll, 40% of Republicans

43:30

and 23% of Democrats

43:32

say violence against the government is

43:35

justified. In a separate poll, 23% of

43:39

Americans agree with QAnon that the

43:41

centers of power are controlled by

43:44

Satan-worshipping pedophiles atop a child

43:46

sex trafficking operation and that

43:48

violence may be required to

43:50

remedy it. Why Are

43:52

we spending out of control? May

44:00

we need to use violence to overthrow

44:02

them? Here's what I think. I.

44:04

Think that. Questions. Being

44:06

asked by posters are insane and.

44:09

I think that. A lot of

44:11

what is going on is that people

44:13

now have permission to say outlet house

44:16

things that may be They've been thinking

44:18

for a long time and I think

44:20

that disinformation and misinformation ah has really.

44:22

I mean this is what it's all

44:24

about. This information and misinformation and the

44:26

tools that let those things bread and

44:28

the algorithm that's actually what's going on

44:31

to be actually serious as my serious

44:33

answer the question. What? There is

44:35

a certain. Like dopa

44:37

mean he did? You get now. Because.

44:40

You. Have social media sites that ask

44:42

you what do you think. There's.

44:45

No, there's a sort of

44:47

no. Social. Pressure

44:49

against you just saying. Whatever it is that

44:51

you want to blurt out that happens to

44:54

pop through your mind at that time. In

44:56

fact, these days are often likely to find

44:58

people who believe the same thing that you

45:00

believe, no matter how bonkers it may be

45:02

and then that can amplify itself. But I

45:05

think the real. Trouble and the

45:07

real social issue that we've had is

45:09

is that all of the social media

45:11

sites. Got. Really really big into

45:13

disinformation in the period where Law and

45:16

Order was off the year old as

45:18

us out there show that is about

45:20

consequences for bad choices and now that

45:22

it's back or think will reveal the

45:24

turned the corner. And start to

45:27

get everybody back in line submitter, saving more

45:29

realistic things. Yeah, yeah, to have that newspaper

45:31

to hold up in front of your face

45:33

when you're getting perp walks? Yes, I guess.

45:36

They. Were going out on same yeah

45:38

molestation as. Good as the

45:40

and at all as much as they

45:42

get on there said the Pap had

45:44

other targets in mind. they included Hunter

45:46

Biden, Gov, Jazz, Gavin Newsom, and. Tom.

45:49

Hanks. Okay, now

45:51

you've gone too far. Jesus,

45:54

that's America's dad. Divorced or

45:56

every every day Sully is

45:58

Mister Rogers. There's no crying

46:01

And baseball. Do Not Fuck With

46:03

Tom. Ssssss. About. The

46:05

and lifers like a box of chocolates

46:07

not or hit had with a hammer

46:09

said said no thank you. Ah,

46:11

the path was Canadian and he

46:14

found his way to San Francisco

46:16

through his relationship with Gypsy Toss.

46:18

I'd activists in the San Francisco

46:21

Public Nudity movement top down her

46:23

start on a cable access so

46:25

as a Nine Eleven Truth or

46:28

and with see Got Naked and

46:30

spewed conspiracy theories. And

46:32

because of the naked truth or

46:34

something like that. Ah, he later

46:36

became a protester. He and Free

46:38

the Nipple campaigns a nude parades

46:40

and taking her clothes off at

46:42

City Hall. top was photographed for

46:44

a New York Magazine article in

46:46

Two Thousand and Fourteen Naked and

46:48

standing in line for a Google

46:50

bus. Know Google Buses

46:52

Nope, it is. It's a it's

46:55

a company bus. private busted takes

46:57

employees valuable all right. So the

46:59

Google buzz Googles Vice President of

47:01

Communications said. There. Should be

47:03

true. Quote. No news

47:05

on the bus. It might interfere

47:07

with the Whiteside. The. Ah

47:12

I'm surprised because to this day google

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