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0:22

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0:24

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0:26

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0:28

Monday. Luckily, I

0:31

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0:33

can dissect this whole thing and there's

0:35

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0:38

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0:40

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0:42

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0:45

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0:47

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0:49

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0:52

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0:54

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0:56

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0:58

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1:00

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1:02

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1:04

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1:07

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1:09

meetings and then. Flew. Back here.

1:12

And with modern technology can watch Roman

1:14

the on the plane so that was

1:16

pretty cool. Oh very cool. And then

1:19

of course we have Johan Bruyneel who's

1:21

in Madrid and. I'm

1:23

I'm curious what a you've spent some

1:25

time around bike races because now your

1:28

son Christian is racing at have had

1:30

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1:32

what's that Like being on the dad's

1:35

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1:37

It's fun. It's really fun because ah

1:39

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1:42

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1:44

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1:46

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1:49

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1:51

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4:42

of Ramadi. Let's start with, and

4:45

this is going to sound really weird, let's

4:47

talk about the pre-race favorites because the outcome

4:50

in no way whatsoever matched

4:53

what the pre-race favorites were. In

4:56

fact, I spent a lot of time

4:58

online watching this Tour of Ramadi, googling

5:00

names to learn more about some of these

5:02

riders. And in fact, if you stick with us through the

5:04

rest of the show, you're going to learn about some

5:06

other riders that you maybe have not heard

5:09

their names before. So Johan, let's start

5:11

with the pre-race favorites. Yeah, well, I

5:13

think we had, you know, the usual suspects. I mean,

5:15

if you talk about pre-race favorites, to

5:18

be honest, you know, there's only three or four

5:20

who can win, but you normally make a list

5:22

of 10 that can be contenders, you know, so

5:24

I had written down, for

5:26

example, you know, from team UAE,

5:28

Juan Ayuso, Adam Yates, Brandon

5:31

McNulty, then Simon Yates, Carlos

5:33

Rodriguez, Egan Bernal from Ineos,

5:36

Vlasov and Hintley from

5:39

Bora, Richard Carapaz, David

5:42

Gaudu, Lenny Martinez, Van Wilder,

5:44

Enric Mas, Theo Gegenhardt.

5:48

That's 14 names. Curiously,

5:52

not one single Visma Lisa bike in the

5:54

pre-race favorites on my list, at least, turned

5:57

out to be true. But

6:00

yeah, and then usually, you know, when

6:02

you make a list of favorites, usually

6:04

some of those favorites wins, and

6:06

then some of them just fall apart. After

6:09

two stages, three stages, we never know, you know,

6:12

if they're in good shape or if they get

6:14

sick, and that's what happened. But

6:17

Carlos Rodriguez, who

6:19

was the leader for Ineos, won

6:21

the race, and I

6:23

think he was supported by a very

6:26

strong Ineos team. I think this is the first

6:28

time that we really see Ineos in a stage

6:30

race, support the leader

6:32

and actually finish the job on

6:34

that level. So that was good to see. Spencer,

6:40

you have any thoughts on the pre-race favorites? Yeah,

6:43

well, first of all, I'm glad we didn't do,

6:45

I didn't bet on this race. We

6:47

didn't do an outcome show on this

6:50

race because, yeah, it's not exactly what

6:52

I expected. Obviously,

6:55

Carlos Rodriguez winning, not a huge

6:57

surprise, but as Johan

6:59

said, Ineos has not been delivering riders

7:02

to GC wins with incredible regularity recently,

7:04

and it's his first GC win of

7:06

his career. You know, this is, we

7:09

all like, you know, you remember winning that stage of

7:11

the tour, finishing top five, but I was surprised to

7:13

see that this is his first GC win of his

7:15

career. It's a big win,

7:18

especially going into the summer season, and

7:20

the tour, probably some, I

7:22

would say some pretty competitive jockeying on Ineos team to

7:24

see who's going to have to work for who

7:26

at that race. So this is

7:29

a big milestone for him. And

7:32

then Alexander Vlasov finishing second,

7:34

maybe you would guess that. But

7:37

then Florian Lipowith finishing third from Borah, I don't

7:39

think in a million years I would have guessed

7:41

that. I was really surprised to see him finish

7:44

third. And then surprised to see

7:46

some of those pre-race favorites

7:48

Johan listed not doing so well, specifically

7:50

Adam Yates, who won this race last

7:52

year. I probably, if you quizzed

7:54

me before this race, I would have said Yates

7:57

is going to win this like easy, done even going to

7:59

be. hard for him. So the fact that he

8:02

was, you know, so far off the pace was

8:04

surprising to me. And then also

8:06

Luke Plapp, I thought this would if like Luke Plapp was

8:08

going to emerge as a, as

8:10

a GC contender, you know, like a backup option for

8:12

bike exchange, I kind of thought this would be the

8:14

race. So I was surprised to see him start so

8:16

well. Like if, if you would have asked me after

8:19

the before the time trial, who's going to win, I

8:21

would have said Plapp and was

8:23

surprised to see him kind of not perform that well

8:25

in the time trial and then crumble in the last

8:27

few days. And then why not use so another, you

8:29

know, one tour of the Basque Country, another rider, I

8:31

would have thought to do a little

8:33

bit better than he did. You know, anyone

8:35

can have bad days and he did have a bad day yesterday.

8:37

But I was also thinking, you know, like how many times have

8:39

you seen? Had I forgot to

8:42

have a bad day at a one week stage race? I'm

8:44

not sure I've ever seen it. So it

8:47

kind of makes me wonder what

8:49

their Twitter fronts leadership strategy is

8:52

going to look like. And

8:55

before we jump into first, the

8:57

prologue and then each stage. Johan,

9:00

can you share with us a little bit

9:02

about tour of Romandie, where it falls in

9:04

the calendar, what it means? You're kind of

9:06

between the classics and the Giro. What

9:10

does it mean? Where is

9:12

it? Yeah. Raise

9:14

your hand if you if you

9:16

Google on that, like, exactly. Yeah.

9:18

Yeah. Well, Romandie, the French speaking

9:21

part of Switzerland, right? Beautiful country,

9:24

beautiful country, typical at this season

9:27

and at this point in the season, usually

9:30

it's two or three times

9:32

bad weather. I know the tour of Romandie,

9:35

many stages have been cancelled as soon as

9:37

they hit, you know, the above

9:40

twelve, thirteen hundred meters today. This year we

9:42

saw on called the most. Called the most

9:45

is usually one of the one of the

9:47

climbs that they do. And sometimes it gets

9:49

cancelled. It's very famous for that. Tour

9:52

of Romandie is because

9:54

of its place on the calendar, it's a bit

9:56

a special race because, you

9:59

know, the Tour de France. guys are not

10:02

really hungry to race

10:04

yet to

10:06

be on a high level. I mean, it's a hard

10:09

stage race, so you have to be in decent shape.

10:12

And then it just falls off to the classics.

10:14

So some of the guys are

10:16

finishing their first block of the season. Earlier,

10:20

and I think in the late 90s, early 2000s, it

10:22

was typically a stage race

10:26

which was used as a preparation for the Giro.

10:30

I think something might have shifted it

10:32

in the calendar, I don't know, but

10:34

nowadays, Giro contenders don't use

10:36

the Tour of Romandie anymore. They use the

10:38

Tour of the Alps now to add a

10:41

preparation stage, a stage race for the Giro.

10:43

So it's a bit a

10:46

special place on the calendar. And that's also why

10:48

none of the

10:50

really big names are going with all

10:52

your respect. All these guys are great

10:54

riders, but the top five big

10:58

names were not there. And

11:02

if there's one of those guys there, then it's because

11:04

something has happened with their schedule

11:06

that they have to adapt it. But still, it's

11:09

one of the big stage races, one of

11:11

the big one-week stage races. There's

11:14

seven, they call it the Big Seven. So it's one of

11:17

the Big Seven, a part of the Three Grand Tours. And

11:19

if you can put that on your Palmares, it's

11:21

a nice one to win. All

11:24

right, and it opens with a prologue. And

11:27

I can't help but think that is a lot

11:29

of work for three minutes of riding for

11:32

the riders and the teams. And are

11:34

you a fan? Okay,

11:37

you say it's a nightmare. Do you like it? Do you

11:39

favor it in a one-week stage

11:41

race? You know, I

11:43

mean, it's basically a team, it's a riders presentation. You're

11:49

not going to win or lose it there. I

11:51

mean, well, actually you could, because, you know, ultimately

11:54

Carlos Rodriguez won with seven seconds. So it could

11:56

be, you know, it could be the

11:58

difference in 2.2 kilometers. I'm

12:02

not a fan of those short... I

12:05

mean, it's nice for the people of that

12:07

area, of that village probably, because I don't

12:09

know where it was, but... And

12:12

it's nice to present all

12:14

the riders, but it's a

12:16

whole day of stress because

12:19

you need to wake up

12:21

in the morning, do the recon, pantry

12:23

bikes, the staff

12:25

is stressed. Usually,

12:28

you have to do the transfer to go

12:30

and see the recon and you have to

12:32

go back to the hotel. Logistically, it's a

12:34

full day of

12:36

stress for 2.2 kilometers

12:38

on the bike. And

12:40

a lot of risk too. Like anytime you get

12:43

on a TT bike at world tour level, there's

12:45

a lot of risk. Well, I

12:47

mean, then it depends on the weather. I don't

12:49

remember. It wasn't raining, no? Kind

12:52

of like threatening to

12:54

spit. And it was technical. It was right

12:56

to the middle of town. I was thinking, if

12:58

you're doing this and you're a GC rider,

13:00

I mean, crashing would be the

13:02

worst thing that could happen to you. And

13:04

then there was the debate also. I think

13:06

some guy with the debate, whether you use a time

13:09

trial bike or no time trial bike. I

13:12

think most of the riders did it on a normal bike because

13:15

of it being so short,

13:17

being so technical. So

13:20

yeah, I mean, I'm not a fan. I'm not a

13:22

fan, but it didn't really have

13:24

any influence on the outcome of the race,

13:26

I would say. Yeah.

13:29

For a spectator, it's great. That's like a party

13:31

in your city, right? It's the same

13:34

as having a crib. It's just a big show

13:36

and a big party. Let's move

13:38

on to stage one. Should

13:42

we call out this guy who won this

13:44

pro life? Oh, right. I should mention who

13:46

won the pro life. I only make a point

13:48

to do this because I've never heard of this person

13:50

before. This has got to be like the highlight of their career. I've

13:54

heard of him. Miguel.

13:57

Do you want to say his name? Miguel.

14:00

Michael Zylar. His grandfather

14:02

was a very famous, when Michael

14:04

Zylar, his dad is also a

14:07

Michael, Zylar was

14:09

also a professional cyclist. He

14:11

was more of a track rider, a velodrome rider. And

14:13

then his granddad was the most

14:16

famous Dernie rider.

14:18

Like, you know what a Dernie is? Like

14:20

behind motorbikes on the velodrome? Yeah. So

14:23

I rode a lot of six days

14:25

and I rode a lot behind his

14:27

granddad on the Dernie in

14:29

the six day races. So that's why I

14:32

follow him a little bit. Wow. I

14:36

mean, I think, you know, obviously it is the highlight

14:38

of his career, but

14:40

you know, I mean, he's on that team. He's

14:43

on that two door team. Being

14:45

non-Swiss, he must have

14:47

some qualities. So otherwise he wouldn't be there, you know? We

14:50

got seventh at, I don't know if you remember this ratio,

14:52

Han. I just hate that

14:54

I have to say this. Danalith Corsa,

14:57

do you remember, it's

14:59

like this one day race that Temerlyer won. Nokre. Yeah,

15:02

Nokre. And it was a serious race,

15:04

like really, really good. Start listening to him at

15:06

seven. Well, I think he's usually a lead out

15:09

man for this

15:11

Dainese. And Dainese

15:14

is on two door now, no? He

15:16

is. Yeah. So he's a

15:18

lead out guy. He's a lead out guy for

15:21

the sprinter. So obviously great result for him. And

15:24

two door pro cycling team is sort

15:26

of like lingering. If you look at

15:29

the pro tour teams and points, they're

15:31

right on that cusp of where they could

15:34

move up into like tier

15:36

one or their top tier two

15:38

right now. Yeah, I think, you know, it's a

15:40

matter of time. You know, it's a company that

15:42

invest in me. First of all, for them, two

15:44

doors, a

15:46

Swiss watch brand. So

15:51

the team is owned by Fabian Cancellara. They

15:54

got a wildcard for the Giro, Mainly

15:58

because they're sponsoring the Giro. But.

16:02

As I say how that works as a

16:04

fair, The official time time Keeper Like the

16:06

time. Of the of the

16:08

of the jury Dahlia. But

16:11

the i think I think it's

16:13

a team that Stats Media said

16:15

is said size on the unbecoming

16:17

of. A. Broader World Tour aware

16:19

to team in the next year's. Of

16:22

the next time that the licenses are gonna

16:24

be attributed going to be difficult but they're

16:26

gonna be up there. By. Soon. Now

16:31

we jump into at a stage one.

16:34

Which was won by. And. Dorian Go

16:37

known. And. This

16:39

is a d to our we're going to

16:41

get and I think that subject as team

16:43

result is can come back up here as

16:45

does it work in talk about the Sky

16:47

Lumet but great incredible race for this team

16:49

in this writer more get to more that

16:52

later with says that the last stage but

16:54

again and name I was like okay this

16:56

isn't a household name that we brought up

16:58

in the seven years that we've been doing

17:00

this but I tell me your thoughts on

17:02

that. Quest. Rnc Spencer

17:05

but they were others as articles for the on

17:07

on the states are pretty pretty interesting stage like

17:09

a lot attack into the and due to you

17:11

to such a results and sarah. Bunch.

17:13

Sprint. I was pretty boring, but it was. It was exciting.

17:16

Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm pretty

17:18

sure to Dorian Good On was supposed

17:20

to be leading out on Andre Of

17:22

and Drama Andre Of and Drama his

17:24

teammates on Decathlon Eighty Two are. But.

17:28

The drama makes the decision that I

17:30

think this is what happened that like

17:32

no one's coming around me I'm gonna

17:34

let not on when because he was

17:36

the one leading out. Is

17:38

is that I was just a good. Is that a

17:41

little risky? Like who was? You just read that wrong

17:43

and you dare bleed out. Writer sits up. I

17:46

don't know that's the case. I mean

17:48

I would also save and drama is

17:50

a low quality wise foster like it

17:52

I your speed than got all ah

17:54

Dumbledore in a season I thought the

17:56

first time he is he is last

17:59

year for example. You want pleasure amazon

18:01

which is a really difficult race in

18:03

Belgium one by dump his cock already

18:05

and then and now and you know

18:08

have club a good writers. I

18:12

did not know that was

18:14

named is Dorian Dalia not.

18:16

Totally. Noise? Yeah. I. Did not

18:19

know him as such a good

18:21

sprinter. Is

18:24

fast but I did. I didn't see

18:26

him as a winning winning bunch sprints

18:28

and. I. Think this

18:30

guy must just be all of a sudden on

18:32

on the incredible shape you your you. Sometimes it

18:35

happens at all of a sudden use your just

18:37

arrive at a while. I've. Never

18:39

been that's from before. And just

18:41

everything works. And it is possible that the

18:43

first day he did delete out for and

18:45

ramen he's a random. Decided.

18:47

To our he just couldn't Awesome that's

18:49

that's possible. Do. And

18:52

you know and if you can't boss him it's so

18:54

you know that the best way to the best way

18:56

to make it look good as the also raise your

18:58

hand seen as a yeah I'm happy for you You

19:00

win But let me tell you. Ah

19:02

any professionals I'm a cyclist that can win a

19:05

race and he and and he does a you

19:07

know and he he cannot go for it he

19:09

will he will do it So I would say

19:11

been drawn was. Ah, He

19:13

still finished second in Space To and Space

19:16

One, but the. But if he if

19:18

he would have been able to boss and be with us.

19:21

A synonym Me wonder if this is a if

19:23

they were points harvesting if this was a. Premeditated.

19:26

Strategy to you instead of lead all

19:29

right or pulled off gets tense but

19:31

skid. A hundred you see I

19:33

points and one day at a you know and

19:35

he wants were stage race. And

19:37

let's focus on going one to not

19:40

easy to do. I'm by the communities

19:42

on fire right now. They. Are

19:44

they are? I mean, listen to me now

19:46

and something has shifted within that team. whether

19:48

it's you know in the south aged to

19:50

our anymore either decadelong ages to are. Always.

19:53

A dick as long as is a

19:55

big company. Ah. Something.

19:57

has changed in our over here over here in

19:59

your Europe and especially in Spain, they say,

20:01

well, it's the new bikes, the Van Raissel

20:04

bike. Decathlon,

20:06

I mean, do you guys have Decathlon over

20:08

there in the US? Not that I

20:10

know of. Okay, right? You used

20:12

to have one store, I believe, Nick,

20:15

look at that. Okay, well, it's comparable

20:17

to, I mean, it's a huge, huge

20:19

sportswear, like, you know, everything

20:22

that sports related is there.

20:24

They're all over Europe. I have two big

20:27

ones here in the 15 kilometers

20:29

around my house. But anyway,

20:31

it's known as also, especially

20:35

for bikes, you know, it's the cheaper

20:37

bikes. It's like the recreational

20:39

rider bikes. Nobody who is a riding really

20:41

an avid cyclist would go and buy a

20:44

bicycle at Decathlon. Now

20:47

they've changed this because this brand,

20:49

Van Raissel, is owned by, it's

20:51

their bike brand owned by Decathlon.

20:54

And the story is that they

20:57

wanted to have a really, really

20:59

competitive bike. So they bought all

21:02

the bikes from the world tour. Everything

21:04

they bought a bike from every brand.

21:07

They researched it, they analyzed it, and they

21:09

put everything together and they designed their own

21:12

bike based on all the qualities, what they

21:15

thought were best from all the other brands.

21:18

I came up with this

21:20

new Van Raissel bike and

21:22

I've seen comments of riders,

21:24

for example, Oliver Knossen, who's

21:26

already a seasoned professional, said,

21:29

you know, this bike is amazing now. You

21:31

always have to question, you know, whether that's

21:33

a marketing declaration or... But

21:36

let me tell you, I mean, they've won 12 races already

21:38

this year. And it's,

21:40

you know, we're only in April. That

21:42

hasn't happened for a long time with AG2R. Yeah,

21:45

I'm looking at the team points and,

21:47

you know, I know it's still

21:50

early, but there's been a lot of racing already.

21:52

And You sit there and you go. Okay,

21:55

we haven't talked about Decathlon, AG2R much

21:57

this season, but they're ahead team wise, ahead

21:59

of Visma. Quick. Ft

22:02

J Any Us lot of

22:04

Destiny Bora. Like. They're sitting.

22:07

In fourth place overall.

22:09

Points. Wise it's is pretty remarkable bomb he

22:12

noted that the device the bike get discussion

22:14

as moreover you know more about as a

22:16

joke I would say you know there's all

22:18

the bikes are good right. But

22:21

obviously they're on a roll. Their on a

22:23

roll. And mom, they must be had of

22:25

doing something different than in the bath because.

22:28

You. Know they've usually been one of those teams

22:30

that were like, you know, mid range and below.

22:33

Ah now we're a and you know well

22:35

as it happens when you you know when

22:37

you're on non a win in the winning

22:39

move to just keep winning and keep winning

22:42

things work out know of course we'll see

22:44

we'll see. For. Them. Ah

22:46

you know it's gonna be very big. Exam

22:49

is sort of France for every friends it

22:51

for every French team. So. But.

22:54

They have a bit seem to have a good team

22:56

and ya they have been O'connor who started the season

22:58

really well. Ah, And they

23:00

keep having these guys. You.

23:03

Know they want they want to stages here in Maine

23:05

into a Roman the in the first one the for

23:07

stages there's one one into so. I

23:10

I. Think they're really happy with the way things are

23:12

going. And. This is

23:14

good for us doing the show but

23:17

the spectator and general to see more

23:19

mid level teams rising like this like

23:21

we've we've seen with Alpha Syn and

23:24

that's been great for us you know

23:26

I suspect there like pure fan so

23:28

yeah maybe we'll see the same thing.

23:30

There are spencer one or two i

23:33

break down states to where we saw

23:35

a tivo. nice as little track. On.

23:38

A breakaway. Yeah,

23:40

the stages are. Signs

23:44

that say what I now I need to

23:47

go back and market moment and. One.

23:49

Day we should mention about a cap on

23:51

it. It's unique about that. I think that

23:53

time article vertically integrated. So these bikes like.

23:55

Are made by the store. I guess we're doing

23:57

our the Ice House brand, but that's pretty much.

24:00

The whole store. So. It is

24:02

unique that they develop them by. Animal

24:04

been in the World tour so fast and

24:06

I I can think it's a little. Tennis

24:09

balls back the curtain? Or maybe that.

24:12

These. Big bike brands don't need to charge as much

24:14

money as they do for the base as as the

24:16

cap on bike is all a fracture by some when

24:19

I read your side. the drug I harry yeah. Bike

24:22

is expensive. The. Ball is, but it's

24:24

still like half half. As much as I

24:27

cannot have spent on little not allow it's

24:29

expensive. I was a on purpose. I wasn't

24:31

decadelong a few days ago. And.

24:33

I stopped at the back sections. I checked

24:35

the prices of. I. Think it's

24:37

I think it's nine or ten thousand

24:39

or sized. I think a dyke top

24:41

level specialized is like eating her. and

24:43

right now and that's that's that's insane

24:46

amount of items on. I don't know

24:48

whether I don't know. where does a

24:50

thousand are said that that's that's is

24:52

not normal. those predated a partner with

24:54

Harley Davidson or something authentic. A success,

24:56

The heart no longer and Harleys actually

24:58

cheaper than and I write. This

25:01

year with that. So that's another podcast

25:03

another day at some stage. To some

25:05

it's and as that not overly hard.

25:07

but you know, any time you're finishing

25:09

up a mountain stuff. The.

25:12

The early breakaway stays away so team unease

25:14

and andre been drawn a were to writers

25:16

are in the early breakaway they finish one

25:18

to on the stage. They're

25:20

almost caught. They get the pulse and gets

25:22

close enough. that loop plot from the is

25:25

sitting in the peloton from Jake. Sprint.

25:27

Across so like he's up there with

25:29

them. He ends up getting. Third,

25:32

Going into. Third,

25:35

On Gc twenty two seconds back and

25:37

Mike right then. He. Then we'll

25:39

that's big for part because the only writers out

25:41

of them are he bunnies and withdraw made from

25:43

the breakaway. They're not gonna figure in the

25:45

overall gc the race or this is now labs

25:48

for his to lose. A. Little

25:50

that we know. Looking back now. Florian Liberal.

25:52

It's he's He's in the Palatine. While he

25:54

gets force, he's ten seconds behind plop. And

25:56

then why do you So leads the rest

25:58

the telethon home to. Combine for and

26:00

but at the time of the car I

26:03

wonder do this poor guy is it's kind

26:05

of an interesting result of the ended up

26:07

not being a fluid kinda showed us who

26:10

is strong for the rest the race but

26:12

behind i you so was Alex Rodriguez was

26:14

also in that palatine lose a small group

26:16

like let's say I'm just trying to count

26:19

now like fit seventeen rider something like that.

26:21

So anyone in that's not in that group

26:23

as immediately out of the Gc. Adam

26:25

Yates was still there, so it still looks like.

26:28

Deal. The Legacy Powers Are are

26:30

going challenge for this race with a

26:33

flap flourish thrown in there. But.

26:36

I. I mean this is really like

26:39

what sticks out to me as been drama

26:41

getting seconds when he was second the day

26:43

before on a completely different style of stage

26:45

and then to get a second a comeback

26:47

they're gonna get in the break. And.

26:50

Challenge on the subtle finish like that that

26:52

continues or conversation about the cap on eighty

26:54

two are like the had shows that team

26:56

is coming along with a lot of confidence

26:59

and then also tivo nice of you don't

27:01

know his dad is spend nice like that.

27:03

He was by would say probably the best

27:05

cyclocross writer of all time. Before Vanderpool had

27:07

been Art came along I that's a big

27:09

win for him and he's not very old.

27:11

I'm just don't look up his age right

27:13

now. I think he's twenty one twenty one

27:15

twenty one. Second year pro to the big

27:17

when. Knob. In the nice

27:20

is say he must be.

27:22

It must be so difficult

27:24

to be the son of

27:26

a legend tsunami. His dad's

27:28

multiple world champion cyclocross mean.

27:31

I. Think at this point are I would say

27:33

I would say. Send.

27:35

Nice is programming emails. He will like that

27:37

if I say that, but sad, maybe maybe

27:39

not so much a table. Nice is going

27:41

to be better than is that. Ah

27:43

as an overall rider because Sundays was

27:46

the cycle. Applause Legends people Nice is

27:48

gonna be a cycling legend in my

27:50

opinion. The guy did you see you?

27:52

He has it's you know he was.

27:54

He was already world champion. As

27:57

junior. Ah Sakara.

28:00

He was world champion, 123, cyclocross.

28:03

He was European champion on the road, 123,

28:09

two years ago, I think, as

28:12

a 19-year-old. So on the road, he

28:14

was already European champion. And he

28:16

gets into the world, he was straight away.

28:19

Last year, he won already a few races. And

28:23

this was his first year of the season. He

28:26

did a cyclocross campaign, then

28:30

stopped after the World

28:32

Championships. And this

28:34

was his first race. And straight away, he's up

28:36

there. And the way he won that stage, man,

28:39

that was pure, like, winner's

28:41

DNA. He knew how to

28:45

race at the end. I think

28:48

Van Rame is a bit better

28:50

uphill than Thibaut-Nice. But still,

28:52

he hung on there. And then the way

28:54

he won the sprint was just phenomenal. Obviously,

29:00

he's Belgian, so I

29:02

followed his career a

29:04

little bit. And

29:06

he's regarded as being a huge talent.

29:09

Definitely a winner. Normally, when you

29:12

have guys, when there's five,

29:14

six guys going to the finish for the win and

29:16

Thibaut-Nice is there, eight times out of

29:18

ten, he's going to win. He knows how to win

29:20

races. There's other guys who are super

29:23

strong, and they go 10 times to the finish, they

29:25

win once. This guy

29:27

is the opposite. Whenever he's there, and he has a

29:29

chance, 80%

29:32

of the time, he's going to take it. I

29:34

have a little homework for you, Johanna, just thought of.

29:37

Get some perspective, some insight

29:40

onto what it's like to be the son of a legend.

29:43

After the show, I want you to walk into

29:45

Christian's room and ask him. He's

29:48

not the son of a legend. I don't

29:52

know. I think that's

29:56

who have been pro-cyclists at

29:59

a certain level. whether you've been a champion

30:01

or a decent professional. I

30:04

think it's hard for the boys, for the sons. You

30:06

know, we're hard on them. You know, I'm like

30:08

today, for example, my son, he was, you know, he

30:10

did a great race. He was 18 out

30:13

of 150 riders. Uh,

30:16

it's his first year in

30:18

that category. You know, I'm not going to be,

30:21

I'm happy for him, but I say, okay,

30:23

you know what? That's how it should be. You know,

30:25

you should be at that level. Uh,

30:29

normally you would say, Oh, you know, amazing. You know, uh,

30:32

I mean, it's great. It's great, but I think

30:34

it's tough. It's tough to be the

30:36

son of somebody who has done it before. Um,

30:39

and, uh, but I

30:41

think, personally, I think that's the way it should be.

30:43

You know, you shouldn't be too, too excited or too,

30:45

you know, you're, there's a

30:48

lot of work to do and, uh, I

30:50

think, I think it would be hard because you

30:52

know what exactly what they need to do and

30:54

not do. Well, yeah, but you

30:56

know, I mean, it's not, listen, I mean, I know, I know

30:58

one guy that must have been

31:01

the hardest, the hardest position to be

31:03

in ever as a

31:05

cyclist, it's Axel Marx, the son

31:07

of, right. And

31:10

he was good. And he was good. He

31:13

was definitely, he was not his dad, but he was

31:15

good. And, uh, and I know his dad

31:17

was hard on him. Uh, I mean, a few,

31:20

a few months ago, I was sitting with Eddie for

31:22

a podcast and he said, you know, I was, yeah,

31:24

I was, I was hard

31:26

and annoying for Axel, you know, and, uh,

31:29

but you know, he, he, he

31:31

became a really good professional by

31:34

the way, I'll tell you, wait, but people nice, but

31:36

people nice. It must be, uh, um,

31:39

I do think, however, you know, that

31:41

the today's generation, like this guy, people

31:43

nice, he's, you know, he's, he's super

31:45

well-spoken, uh,

31:47

great image, you know, uh,

31:50

looks good. Photogenic says all the right

31:53

things. It,

31:55

this guy doesn't listen to his dad. Hey,

31:59

I have a 22. Year old in that at

32:01

a young twenty somethings listen to their Dad

32:03

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32:09

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You know, when we started seven years ago,

33:36

there was definitely a slump in American Psycho

33:38

and Lance and I talked about it. out.

33:40

things ebb and flow. You. Don't

33:43

have heroes on the podium. It.

33:45

Doesn't happen. It's certainly seems like

33:47

we're in an upswing with American

33:49

cyclists getting results and ends up

33:51

the first that we seen branding

33:53

Mcnulty and this was a course

33:56

stage three, the time trial. so

33:58

start with you on this one yawn And again,

34:01

American cycling Magnus Sheffield

34:03

was second, just 13 seconds behind him. 13

34:08

seconds is a lot. This was a big

34:10

win for Brandon McNulty. Yeah. Well, you know,

34:12

McNulty obviously is the American champion time trial.

34:15

He, we all know the qualities of Brandon

34:17

McNulty. He's a huge talent. Um,

34:21

also, I mean, if

34:23

you, if you look at the results, um, you

34:26

know, almost none of the big favorites were in

34:28

front because the weather changed, you know, the last

34:30

20 or 20, 25 riders had

34:33

to ride a little bit of rain, but anyways,

34:36

Brandon McNulty is an amazing time trialist and, uh,

34:39

um, 15 kilometer time trial. He was, you know, he

34:41

was, he was just the best, uh,

34:44

of everybody. Um, I saw

34:46

an interview of Magnus Sheffield. Um,

34:48

this guy, this kid has amazing

34:50

power. And, um, you

34:53

know, he, the way he was talking about the

34:55

time trial and the way he, he explained the

34:57

pacing strategy and how everything was programmed. And he

35:00

said, yeah, I know I did exactly what I

35:02

had to do. And, uh, I

35:04

was behind a little bit, uh, in the

35:06

beginning. And then I made up like he

35:08

was riding negative splits, Nicole and time throttling,

35:10

so he was a little bit behind, but

35:12

on purpose, um, Magnus

35:16

Sheffield. I really liked that rider. He

35:18

has so much power. Um,

35:20

I, we have not seen the last of that

35:23

guy. Um, so

35:25

yeah, one, two for, for the U S, uh,

35:27

in, in, in the individual time trial. Unfortunately, none

35:29

of them were in the, in the game for,

35:31

for GC. Um,

35:34

I think Brandon McNulty going into this race

35:36

already, he knew that because, you know, let's,

35:38

let's not forget Brandon McNulty has been on

35:40

an extremely high level from

35:42

the first race, you know, from the first race

35:44

on, I think he, he won, I think

35:47

he won the time trial in two review, you know,

35:49

uh, I think, yeah. Uh,

35:51

he was the first leader there. No, then

35:53

he won the Linceana even before you ate

35:55

to her. He wants to Linceana. He was

35:57

third in Barinese. Uh, he

35:59

wanted. You auto races the in in

36:01

in in my York already was on

36:03

a super high level. Ah so this

36:05

must also be like the last race

36:08

off his for as block. Ah,

36:10

So I think he came into this race or

36:12

the on already on states do he was. I

36:14

think he was six or seven minutes down. So

36:18

he he had in mind that he would take

36:20

it easy were for the team and then go

36:22

full.for the time draw. With. Snow Where.find?

36:24

this nice when. And

36:28

and by guess you A they

36:30

had first, third and fourth and

36:32

the time for our Mcnulty gosh

36:34

hardener. And and are you so.

36:38

ah and I use of they delete in

36:40

that the in that race we all thought

36:42

looked plopped us as spencer sad and have

36:44

club with a performance on stage to. Coming

36:47

from the product on and he was also

36:49

talking off that a race like yeah tomorrow

36:51

is my day. You. Know why he

36:53

is a dam. Trial is. Added

36:56

disappointing performance in the time trial and

36:58

and are you so they believed in.

37:00

From there on be will Be will

37:02

always be your guide. This is a

37:04

uses race that was gonna beat him.

37:06

There. Now. And it was not

37:09

the case. He.

37:11

I was about it was disclosed money's

37:13

is gonna. Walk. Away

37:15

with this I had just of the a

37:17

few notes from this thing I it is

37:19

kind of weird the first to may not

37:21

in Sheffield. I think they're both year just

37:23

to work for their team leaders so a

37:26

little on usually get two guys finish in

37:28

one to hoard just years dumbest but he

37:30

said the weather change so that obviously influenced

37:32

or a lot. If I ask

37:34

both of you what cyber writer is made in

37:36

Sheffield, could you tell me I mean it. I

37:38

have a hard time putting the static at six,

37:40

the Tour of Flanders so clearly like a handy

37:42

rider in the classics and the cobbles. Seems

37:46

to also be agree climber and then

37:48

also a great time trial estates. I.

37:50

Don't totally know what type a writer

37:52

is. appalling. I don't think he knows

37:55

that eater. Not. A as a figure that out

37:57

yet. ah i'm is

37:59

super strong So if you ask me

38:01

what type of rider he is, as I would say,

38:03

he's a super strong rider. He's a strong one. It's

38:07

clear. But he

38:09

can time. I would put him in

38:11

the category of the time pro specialist. He

38:14

has a huge power. And then I

38:16

think, you know, in terms of, in

38:19

terms of racing, he still needs to get a

38:21

little bit more experience. I would love

38:23

to see him with

38:25

a bit more cadence than he's riding

38:28

right now. He has so much power that he's

38:30

always like with a low cadence,

38:32

which I think in the

38:34

longer races could be beneficial for

38:36

him if he has a bit

38:38

higher cadence. But, you know, he's

38:40

not doing bad. I see. If

38:44

you're sixth in the Tour of Flanders,

38:47

you have an engine. This guy also

38:49

won Fleche Brabantcon, I think, two

38:51

or three years ago. The race that Dario

38:53

Ngozón won. It looks

38:55

like he's slated to do the Giro. So he's

38:57

tuning up with this. Looks like he's on form.

38:59

What could we see in the Giro? Stage win

39:01

maybe? That would be his goal? Well, yeah. But,

39:05

you know, I mean, if you're only in Aos, then we

39:08

know that Grant Thomas is going to want to go

39:10

for GC. So he's going to have to work a

39:12

lot. But he could win a stage

39:14

for sure. I mean, this guy has a stage win of the

39:16

Giro in his legs, no doubt. Yeah,

39:19

I definitely think so. And you never, I mean, any

39:21

of us went to the Volta last year to work

39:24

for Grant Thomas. And then that didn't

39:26

work out. And then it's like, OK, who can win a

39:29

stage? You know, so you never really know what's going to

39:31

happen. Kind of another interesting

39:33

thing, like UAE is just dominating these time

39:35

trials at these one week stage races. Like

39:37

if you think back to UAE tour, Peri

39:40

Nese, this, you know, looking like they're in pole

39:42

position come out of these time trials and then

39:44

it doesn't work out. I think that

39:46

is something to keep an eye on. But then the

39:48

big takeaway from this time trial, it's kind of boring. This

39:50

is a real dad take of like every shot, it's a

39:52

game winning shot. Carlos Rodriguez

39:54

gets seventh here, wins the race right here on

39:57

this stage. You know, the fact that he finished.

40:00

I believe it was twenty three seconds up

40:02

on Florian Lebowitz Finished moved to seconds up

40:04

on Alex. End of last off wins the

40:07

race by seven seconds Overall like this was

40:09

the race winning performance or Rodriguez but with

40:11

a note at the time at by you

40:13

anytime draw you know at any time girl

40:16

you need do is it what every second

40:18

is a second even the prologue the as

40:20

if you choose to eight to two point

40:23

two kilometers you lose. Five.

40:25

Six seconds that could be winning and losing. Got

40:27

the whole race? You know? I

40:31

I I think of about an hour but now

40:33

lost but the thirteen seconds or something. In

40:36

A brawl Auto. Race

40:38

like this usually is one by seconds.

40:43

I will jump on the stage for I I

40:45

I think it was just the last race recovered

40:48

maybe one for that. I remember watching that got

40:50

watching that race ago and made as lays in

40:52

go on his his care of as coming back.

40:54

In our we have some floundering years

40:57

there. Didn't. Seem to be a

40:59

rising star early on and he's looking good

41:01

again and picked up the stage man on

41:03

stage for will start with you Spencer here

41:05

sites. Is a good

41:08

statement as we attack. I

41:11

guess Two point two K from the

41:13

Vanessa. This was the hardest I believe

41:15

us for the hardest time. Yeah, Third,

41:17

that I'd almost the fourteen kilometer final

41:19

climb. And six percent sir. See, this

41:21

time a year, that's that's extremely long

41:23

climb to be even able to do

41:25

with the snow. So he

41:27

it's actually looks so strong when he goes. Not!

41:29

I was game over and I honestly thought he

41:31

was going in when the overall because he was

41:34

taking so much time so fast. On.

41:36

The rest wanna use has been drops. Looked.

41:39

Pretty bad thing he could tell from in

41:41

or even ten cat out. one is it

41:44

doesn't look, doesn't look that good. But.

41:47

Since she's group with with Florian

41:49

liberals in Costa Rica has come

41:51

after I'm and I don't think

41:53

I've ever see I've not seen

41:55

someone close on care about as

41:57

fast as I've seen reports closed.

42:00

And I are. I don't think I've ever

42:02

seen someone close on someone that I thought was

42:04

going to easily win a mountaintop. stages. I saw

42:06

liberal it's close on care of as he

42:08

came so fast from mind if he would

42:10

have launched. Three. Seconds

42:13

earlier he would a one this stage on

42:15

care about hung up by like the skin

42:17

of his teeth the when this same time

42:19

as as were boards and then Kasuri get

42:22

Rodriguez finishes tenth or third ten seconds back.

42:24

Again this is where this is like a

42:27

t building block towards is. Over

42:29

our winters, he goes in the first overall.

42:31

Seven seconds in front of last August and

42:33

nine seconds in front of the Poets, and

42:35

twenty one seconds and front of. What?

42:38

Are you so who fell out? Elitist or

42:40

zero here? but it was good to see

42:42

care of as back. And. I'm

42:44

trying to look up the last. In.

42:46

A big result he had. Yeah.

42:49

That wasn't the to of Columbia but he

42:51

Ohio and you mentioned the like go before the

42:53

race or that you know he would be a

42:55

bike a previous river and that sounds right

42:57

in. That sounds like it makes sense but

42:59

the last. Stage. We see one

43:01

was twenty twenty one. While. I think

43:03

is lot of big result of like the world to

43:06

level of was States twenty and a tour of Spain

43:08

two years ago. I

43:10

think he won three stages and. Ah,

43:13

And. He

43:15

took a bus it's gonna be to listen to

43:17

Put on a bus is always going to be

43:19

difficult to anastasia like this because his handwriting is

43:21

just not good enough. Now yeah,

43:24

I think he lost the last the over a minute.

43:26

And. A Time Frau so you know

43:29

on five days of racing where

43:31

he was with no huge huge

43:33

huge climbs where you can take

43:35

big big big differences it's is

43:37

going to be difficult and the

43:39

when so I showed that the

43:41

definitely you know a racer a

43:43

winner. Ah, You

43:45

know when he attacks it's in I'd

43:48

His attacks are spectacular. Have to say

43:50

it all we know. The

43:52

Dead: As the Latin American fans of gonna

43:54

buses are not going to like this. But.

43:57

Top. Us is a writer. He

44:00

looks a lot faster than he is. I

44:04

know a couple guys like that. I totally agree with

44:06

this. You know, like when he attacks, his

44:09

body language is so spectacular. He say,

44:11

wow, he is because, you know, he

44:14

has this way of moving and like

44:16

he's pushing the pedals,

44:19

but then you see he's not actually not going that

44:21

fast. It's like Thibaut Pinot. It's the

44:23

same thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You

44:26

know, so he looks, he looks very spectacular.

44:29

But and on

44:31

the other hand, for example, if you see Carlos

44:34

Rodriguez, it's the opposite. Carlos Rodriguez

44:36

in, in, in,

44:39

in Flemish, we go there's a saying, he's

44:41

always says he's a, he's a false slow

44:43

guy, like a fake slow. You

44:46

know, he looks a term. What's the term? Valtter

44:49

Trager. And also we learn a Flemish

44:51

Flemish phrase every show. I've a false,

44:53

a false slow guy, a fake slow

44:55

guy, meaning, okay, he looks like, you

44:57

know, he's not moving on the bike.

44:59

He's still, he's, you know, it's just

45:01

his legs that are turning. He looks

45:04

like he's efficient, you

45:06

know, it's two opposite riders.

45:09

Carapace and Carlos Rodriguez. Well, you make a good

45:11

point that I didn't pick up on when I

45:13

was watching it, had he not lost a minute

45:15

in the time trial, they wouldn't

45:18

have given him that gap. Exactly. Right. Exactly. Well,

45:20

I mean, yeah. Okay. They were also on the

45:22

limit. But I have to say, you know, something

45:24

we didn't, we didn't comment

45:28

on stage four, amazing job of Timi Neos. They

45:32

came into this stage with a plan. They

45:36

knew that Carlos Rodriguez was their

45:38

leader and the team did an amazing job, amazing job

45:40

during the whole stage. And then

45:42

on the last climb, you know,

45:45

we had first we

45:47

had Spanish guy, I

45:49

forget his name, the time trialist.

45:53

Pastor Viejo. Pastor Viejo. He

45:55

said an amazing tempo then. And then,

45:58

but But now, when

46:00

Bernal took over, that was like the

46:02

big selection. And there you

46:04

could see that they had a clear plan because

46:06

Bernal took over and he got a gap. And

46:10

as soon as they

46:12

saw that, I've seen

46:14

some comments on social media saying that

46:16

Carlos Rodriguez chased

46:18

down Hégán Bernal, which

46:21

is absolutely not true. So, their

46:23

plan was to race for Carlos Rodriguez.

46:26

When Carlos Rodriguez, Bernal took over

46:28

and he went so fast that

46:31

he got a gap. But

46:33

straight away, Carlos Rodriguez looked to the right,

46:35

he saw Aiuso in trouble and talking on

46:37

the radio and he just went after

46:40

Bernal, you know. And

46:43

that was the winning move. That was the winning move

46:45

of the race because, you

46:47

know, also something I want to point out, I

46:49

think two years ago in our Up and Commerce

46:51

show, we talked about

46:53

Carlos Rodriguez and Bernal Hégán Bernal, being the two

46:55

up and comers, the two

46:57

big talents in Spain. And

47:00

here they are, fighting it out on the

47:02

highest level of the World Tour, right? But

47:06

stage four was, I think, the

47:08

first time this year that

47:11

we see Ineos in a stage

47:13

race of that level, you know,

47:16

doing what they do and actually

47:18

getting the result that they wanted.

47:21

And so, I think that's really

47:23

nice to see. Yeah,

47:25

Johan, yes, it is a rare.

47:28

I doubted them. I saw them leaving

47:31

this out and thought, what is Ineos up

47:33

to? Like they're just going to lead another

47:35

rider to a GC stage win by setting

47:37

the pace. But clearly, as you say, clearly

47:40

they had a plan to crack Aiuso and it

47:42

worked. It worked exactly right. It

47:44

was really impressive to watch. Yeah. And

47:47

also, you know, nice to see A He's

48:01

still at this point that

48:03

he actually wants to sacrifice his

48:05

chances for teammates, but

48:07

I think at some point it'll have to change.

48:10

And he needs to get back into

48:12

the mindset of being the leader of

48:14

the team because he's won

48:17

the tour, he's won the Giro,

48:19

not a lot of people can say that, and he's

48:22

back at a really really good level. So I think

48:24

it's now a matter of pure confidence for him. The

48:28

way he... because if you look

48:30

at Bernal's performance on stage four,

48:32

he leads it out,

48:34

he sets the tempo, then

48:37

he obviously when they attack he has to recover a

48:39

little bit, but he still comes back.

48:41

I think he still finishes fifth or sixth on the

48:43

stage, actually

48:45

drops Iuso at the

48:47

final of the stage. So he must

48:49

be in really good condition. We saw

48:52

him performing really well also in Liedwachto

48:54

Liedz, it's the first time he participated

48:56

in a race. And

48:59

yeah, I'm hopeful for Bernal. I

49:02

think they have not decided yet on his program,

49:05

but I would be extremely

49:07

surprised if he doesn't go to the

49:09

tour. I

49:11

think he has to go to the tour as one of

49:13

the co-leaders of the team being...

49:17

I don't know. Well, do you

49:19

think he's better than Carlos Rodriguez? I think he

49:21

has the same problem as Keropas with the time

49:23

trailing. Yeah, yeah,

49:26

probably. Listen,

49:30

he's a racehorse, man.

49:35

The guy has quite a few. But

49:38

they can't have five leaders because Thomas

49:40

says he's leading, Pitcock says he's leading,

49:42

Rodriguez is going to lead. No,

49:48

they can have three leaders, that's fine. So

49:51

then they'll have four with Bernal and

49:54

probably... Pitcock is not going to be the leader of

49:56

the team. Pitcock is not amazing. He said that he

49:59

plans on... riding for UC? I

50:01

think Pitcock needs to decide what he wants

50:03

to do. He wants to be a cyclocross

50:05

rider, a mountain biker, a

50:07

road racer, I mean, you can't have it all. You

50:09

can't be the leader of the team if you don't

50:11

know what you're gonna focus on. The guy has qualities,

50:14

but he has never finished top

50:16

five in a grand tour. These

50:19

other guys, yes. Rodriguez has

50:21

finished for the fifth, I guess, in the tour. The

50:24

other two are grand tour winners and the Tour

50:26

de France winners. Yeah, Rodriguez got

50:28

fifth in 23. Yeah,

50:31

just last year he got fifth. Yeah. I

50:33

think Rodriguez is currently their best

50:35

GC option. Because

50:38

you can time trial and climb, and

50:40

he's getting better. Well, Bernal's, I'm

50:42

a Bernal fan, obviously. I

50:45

also like Carlos Rodriguez, but I'd

50:47

love to see Bernal back at

50:49

the forefront. I mean, he deserves it. The guy's

50:52

working really hard, and I

50:57

think Bernal needs to, his

50:59

aim needs to be, I mean, you're gonna say

51:02

I'm crazy, Spencer, but I think top five in

51:04

the tour is possible for Bernal. Top

51:07

five. Especially all the top

51:10

guys' shake-up we've had with injuries

51:12

really opens up the podium for

51:14

this year's Tour de France, right?

51:18

Yeah, I like, yeah. Let's just say something

51:20

happened to, Bogocar, Vindigar's

51:22

not there. Top

51:25

five is probably open. You know, even like,

51:27

look who is lurking. Even if Bogocar is

51:29

full, potentially, he can still be top five.

51:31

I mean, who's better than Bernal? I'll

51:35

go with Rodriguez. I'll go with Rodriguez. In

51:39

this race, but not necessarily all

51:41

the time. I

51:43

would normally say Adam Yates, but yeah. I

51:46

mean, if Adam Yates isn't

51:48

who he was last year, it

51:50

does start to open up a little bit. And we're

51:52

like, Enric Mas, is Enric Mas better than Inge Bernal?

51:55

I don't know. I don't know if I would feel

51:57

confident. In my opinion, he's not. I

52:00

mean, but but but but and Rick Moss, if you look

52:02

at and Rick Moss, for example, and it must we haven't

52:04

seen him from the whole race here. He's six and you

52:06

see you're right. Yeah. So they

52:08

call that Allah's Ubeldia. You're

52:11

not seen on camera, but you've finished in the

52:13

top 10. It's funny when I read a lot

52:15

of the comments. Some people get frustrated when it's

52:17

classic season and we're talking about the tour. If

52:20

you haven't been listening to this show for the

52:22

last seven years, we always

52:24

bring it back to the tour. Always

52:26

and we probably always will. But

52:29

cycling is the tour. And

52:32

unfortunately, unfortunately, it's the most

52:34

important race. So when this

52:36

is a weird race, because it's essentially a Tour de

52:38

France positioning race in

52:41

April. Yeah, because you're not

52:43

going to the Giro if you're doing this.

52:45

So this is people trying to prove within

52:47

their own team that they can lead at

52:50

the tour. Yeah. All right.

52:52

Now, stage five. Again, we've already talked

52:54

about this guy, Dorian Godone, AG2R.

52:57

And the two wins in the stage, like in the stage

53:00

race, that's huge. We'll

53:02

start with you breaking this, analyzing

53:04

this, Johan. It was a strange finish

53:06

and it seemed like most

53:09

of the people up front weren't real knowledgeable of

53:11

how this was going to shake out. And

53:14

maybe he did a more course recon because it was

53:16

just a, it wasn't a straight in finish and it

53:18

was odd and he just got away a little bit.

53:20

Yeah. But, you know, I mean, also you

53:22

have to add to that that, you know, there were no

53:24

big sprinters in this race, right? Like

53:26

the real sprinter and some of them were, I

53:29

mean, I would have to look at the

53:31

startless before the race, but some of them

53:34

probably already pulled out. So and

53:37

Godone seems to be on a roll, man.

53:39

He's in that, I think he's in that

53:41

window of like three, four weeks where like

53:44

he has diamond legs, they call it, like diamonds

53:46

in the legs. It's like everything works. And

53:50

the Flemish for that is. I

53:54

keep on learning these phrases. But

54:00

again, I'm surprised to see

54:03

Dori Anguudon win bunch prints,

54:05

but I think the first

54:08

guy who will be surprised will be himself. So,

54:13

yeah, I mean, two stage

54:15

wins for him, two stage wins for

54:18

AG2R, Decathlon, and the same stage race.

54:23

I think they're going to be going home very,

54:25

very happy. It

54:27

wasn't like a traditional. To me, it kind of

54:29

felt like a strong man win. That's

54:32

the kind of rider he is, yeah. Yeah,

54:35

because it was such a hard stage. It was so

54:37

chaotic. It was three hours and 22

54:39

minutes, but it was long,

54:41

150K. It was

54:43

just brutal all day. I

54:45

think it was hard for spectators because it was

54:47

cold and rainy and they all had these rain

54:49

jackets on. It was probably somewhat hard

54:52

for them to know, because

54:54

the breakaway gets caught and groups are going away.

54:57

But if you're any of us, you don't know who is who, and

55:00

you kind of have to close everything down because you can't let

55:02

someone slip up the road and take the GC because

55:04

it was so, so... The margins

55:06

were so small coming into the final stage. So

55:09

it was just like a hard final 30K really. And

55:12

then, you know, Don just... It looked like he

55:14

was in the big chain ring and no one else was in

55:16

the big chain ring. He was just flying through that final straight

55:18

away. All

55:21

right. Any final thoughts on Romandie for you

55:24

guys? I mean, his next step is our

55:26

Giro preview, believe it or not. Final

55:31

thoughts? I mean, I think it's nice

55:33

to see Carlos Rodriguez finally win a

55:35

big race, GC. That's

55:37

obviously a confirmation of his qualities.

55:41

Then, you know, if you look at the

55:43

picture behind me, you know, second and third

55:45

foot Bora, that's obviously a really good result

55:49

without having Roglic

55:51

there. Still, you know, two-thirds

55:54

of the podium, that's not bad. And

55:57

also, one of... We

56:00

haven't seen him a lot, but still,

56:02

top 10 for Teo Gegenhart. 9th

56:05

place in GC, pretty solid right.

56:08

He comes back from a big injury after

56:12

last year's crash in the Giro,

56:14

big leg fracture and then a

56:19

hard way back to recovery. So seeing him

56:22

up there again is obviously very hopeful also

56:24

for the rest of the season for him.

56:27

The other 9th intended GC, Bernal

56:30

and Gegenhart. Gegenhart is my

56:32

version of Bernal. To

56:35

Johan's Bernal, it's my Gegenhart. That's someone I

56:37

really think... Well, and he is a regular

56:39

listener of the show. Oh,

56:43

hey. Hey, what's up? How are you?

56:46

Oh, I didn't know that. Oh, weird. No,

56:49

I think he is a lot of class and

56:51

that is someone like the

56:53

shark lurking below the surface. Like

56:56

if things open up at the tour, I would not

56:58

be surprised if he finishes on the podium, if he

57:01

can come in healthy. The

57:03

podium is probably a big

57:06

ask, but I

57:08

think for him, having solid

57:10

rides like this is obviously little

57:13

steps back to where

57:15

he was. I mean, he won the Giro

57:17

d'Italia. You

57:21

have to be a dang good bike rider to win a grand

57:23

tour. Some of his power

57:25

numbers for that were good,

57:27

like elite. Yeah, really good.

57:31

So, yeah, I mean, I think that's it. I

57:34

have not much else to add. New

57:36

Spencer? Yeah, two little tidbits.

57:38

Did you guys catch this time trial

57:41

kind of subplot where so

57:43

Giant doesn't... technically does not

57:45

make a disc brake time trial bike. So, originally

57:47

when I saw Plapp struggle, I was like, Oh

57:49

wow, he had to do the time trial course

57:51

on rim brakes. No wonder he did so poorly.

57:54

Apparently they have them on

57:57

like prototype disc brake TT

57:59

bikes. kind of wonder like how much

58:01

time have they had on these prototypes. You

58:03

know, that was one of the first times they've

58:06

written it in a race and it's in the

58:08

rain at Romandy like that. That's not setting them

58:10

up for success. That seems like that's a tough.

58:12

So yeah, I think, I think it's, uh,

58:16

yeah, I was surprised to see that also that when I

58:18

read about it, uh, I didn't know that giant was one

58:20

of the. Two or three

58:22

brands left that hadn't

58:24

swift shifted to this brace on the time

58:27

trial bikes. This was the first time actually

58:29

that, uh, a writer wrote on

58:31

a giant. Time trial

58:33

bike with, uh, disc brakes.

58:35

The rest of the team did not, if you

58:37

look at Simon Yates, for example, in

58:40

the time trial, he wrote on rim brakes are

58:42

still on the old model. So this is a prototype. Um,

58:45

I personally don't think it had an influence

58:48

on his performance. Uh,

58:51

he was all excited about it. You

58:53

know, he had a new bike, new

58:55

helmets. Um, he's a

58:57

time trial geek. I would, I would say,

58:59

you know, he's a specialist time trialist. So

59:01

he was all, uh, he

59:03

was all, uh, hyped up. And

59:05

then I don't think the new bike was

59:08

the reason for his, I'm a, I wouldn't

59:10

say it was a bad performance. He was

59:13

still top 10, uh,

59:15

in the time trial. I think he was like

59:17

33 seconds down or something. Right.

59:21

Let me, let me double check that he

59:23

was. Oh,

59:26

we do a Luke Platt. Yeah. He was 58 seconds

59:28

down. Oh, okay. Oh yeah. That sounds

59:31

good. Well, I mean, 33 seconds down

59:33

would have been like, well, he did. He

59:36

did also ride in the rain. So he was,

59:38

I think he was about 30 seconds down on

59:40

the, on our use of Rodrigo, not useful. Yeah.

59:43

Yeah. Um, I cannot, I

59:45

can't believe there's people out there in

59:47

the rain on carbon. Like

59:49

a carbon disc brake time trial bike. That

59:52

seems like such a big disadvantage or. Carbon

59:54

rim brake time trial bike. That seems like

59:56

I think Arkea, I think the beyond are

59:58

all rim breaks. What's.

1:00:01

That. Read. Beyond these, don't remember,

1:00:03

Examine the control bites. Yeah, it seems

1:00:05

the right really. Irritated

1:00:08

gave up after the final stage of the

1:00:10

Twenty Twenty Two or the vagina been on

1:00:12

track our fleet on around. You know about

1:00:14

it as an hour, but ah well. I

1:00:16

mean you know, for certain brands, I think

1:00:18

for certain brands. I mean where. I'm a

1:00:20

bit surprised about Giant though. Without that that

1:00:22

was a surprise for me because you know

1:00:24

there. There. Were a meter and

1:00:26

bye bye bye. Grand prize in a T

1:00:28

I think it's you know? I

1:00:31

don't know a lot of people. if the guy by

1:00:33

than draw by they're gonna buy be anti. Dandruff.

1:00:35

Bike So it's a big. It's a big him.

1:00:37

He is not a market for them. You know

1:00:39

they have to have them because the sponsor. A.

1:00:42

Professional team. But you know after so

1:00:44

many years missing this issue, that disgrace

1:00:46

and only bikes it's just you know,

1:00:50

I'm. Sorry, I wasn't worried at it. You

1:00:53

know like when in Ninety Nine you guys

1:00:55

didn't use attract time travel bite but I'm

1:00:57

surprised that as app and more often that

1:00:59

is Now he wanted us to Amazon. I

1:01:01

think back when I was just kind of

1:01:03

a mystery. what bike is that right? But

1:01:05

not gonna big story. There was a light

1:01:08

speed. Yeah, and

1:01:10

that's not like a second look

1:01:12

at the phone is it was

1:01:14

clearly not. There was absolutely no

1:01:16

intention to camouflage. It was a

1:01:19

light speed plane blue with. Track.

1:01:22

Stickers on him? That was it. Is

1:01:25

a bad strategy for the cut for the

1:01:27

brand because they save a lot of money

1:01:29

on developing a time trial by the nobody's

1:01:31

gonna buy ah, but they still get some

1:01:33

publicity from it. I know eight That strategy

1:01:35

is all part of. I. I'm. Sure

1:01:37

they all do it now, but was ever part

1:01:39

of the deal. If you are a bike sponsor

1:01:41

on a world Tour team, you have to produce

1:01:43

a time trial by. For. Now. He.

1:01:46

Can because they will take on derived whenever they want. You guys

1:01:48

did it! While. He dragged made

1:01:51

some drawbacks. back they would, they just were

1:01:53

not very good at back. Then they come.

1:01:55

They've come a long way since. Jackass. But.

1:01:57

Ah, But. The.

1:02:00

Yeah, I mean, normally, just in

1:02:02

the bike brands nowadays, they're just top

1:02:04

of the game, all of them. So,

1:02:09

yeah, it was not until I read

1:02:11

that article that I realized

1:02:13

that there were still brands out there who

1:02:15

didn't have time trial bikes with disc brakes.

1:02:18

But then again, in a race

1:02:20

like in a time trial like

1:02:22

this, when it was wet and

1:02:24

some tricky descents, but you

1:02:27

don't brake that much in a time trial. Yeah, that's

1:02:29

a good point. So

1:02:31

I don't think it's a big disadvantage. Then

1:02:36

my last thought experiment

1:02:38

I had, so Bora, a great, great race for

1:02:40

them. I love Bora. I'm a Bora fan boy.

1:02:43

So they're rebranding as Red Bull. Red Bull owns 51%

1:02:45

of the team. So they're going

1:02:47

to be like Team Red Bull or Hans Gro.

1:02:49

No one's going to say those last two sponsors

1:02:52

anymore after that happens at the tour. How

1:02:55

the heck does this work with, so

1:02:57

like Tom Pitcock, Wout Van Aert are

1:02:59

racing in Red Bull helmets, and then

1:03:01

there's a team with Red Bull kits,

1:03:04

and they have the same sponsors. And like, what's

1:03:06

the stop? I'm not saying this would happen, but

1:03:10

let's just say Primo's Roglic sitting first overall

1:03:12

at the tour needs a little bit of

1:03:14

help. What's the stop Red

1:03:16

Bull from phoning up Wout and Tom

1:03:18

Pitcock and saying, hey, you know, you're

1:03:21

renegotiating your Red Bull deal next year.

1:03:23

It would really mean a lot to

1:03:25

us if you give us a little

1:03:27

bit of poll on this coming stage.

1:03:29

I'm surprised this is allowed, Johan. Well,

1:03:32

I mean, Red Bull is sponsoring one

1:03:34

team, and then the rest is private

1:03:36

sponsorship, right? And I would, I mean,

1:03:38

if I'm not mistaken, if

1:03:41

I'm not mistaken, I think it's

1:03:43

only Van Aert on

1:03:45

the road. I think Pitcock

1:03:47

is only in cycloprops with a Red Bull helmet.

1:03:49

I think on the road he's with an E-Nails

1:03:52

helmet, I think, if I'm

1:03:54

not mistaken. Man, I know. I'm pretty sure. I'm

1:03:56

pretty sure. He's sending me into a... Yeah.

1:04:00

Look at look at the pictures of Amstel Gold Race

1:04:02

is on a on a new emails you know than

1:04:04

Rebel. Okay okay the hiding. I

1:04:06

loved how you're in a totally separate

1:04:08

the map money that wasn't was separate

1:04:11

cyclocross bank account. I'd say bad

1:04:13

said say I I mean it's ok

1:04:15

whatever they make from that team

1:04:17

is gonna be and twenty volts of

1:04:19

what they make from retinue of in

1:04:22

private sponsorship. So. I

1:04:24

don't think at all unless one and

1:04:26

rebels as a. Here. You know

1:04:28

he has so much by the a documentary. Know

1:04:30

your Ix to your, your part of your part

1:04:33

of know you're probably. There are rumors that day

1:04:35

in Belgium, for example has been rumors that. One.

1:04:38

Are with go in and now and

1:04:40

one out there now. And

1:04:43

I don't know about them. Go. Actually. If.

1:04:45

He's in negotiations with Red Bull

1:04:47

for her and us to about

1:04:49

Renco. Yeah so anyway rumors that

1:04:51

the rumor mill on social media

1:04:53

and you to bars and stuff

1:04:55

like that the ah is you

1:04:57

know what I mean Spencer, I'll

1:04:59

highlight I suggest we launch a

1:05:01

new show called Hypothetical Drama with

1:05:03

Mr. Martin. Know I find it

1:05:05

strange and I read you see,

1:05:07

I rules. They've actually forbid this.

1:05:09

A good team sponsored cannot sponsor.

1:05:12

But. Of course and like wonderful user language

1:05:14

it's so vague that he can always be

1:05:16

wiggled out of it's like a duck can't

1:05:18

sponsor a writer and it's name is. It

1:05:20

presents a conflict of interest, but you may

1:05:23

I good attorney could argue against are probably.

1:05:27

Are sometimes they make him change their

1:05:29

jersey colors for one race. Things like

1:05:31

that because it's confusing. The.

1:05:33

System? Yeah. But. Angeles or Jonas

1:05:36

was like oh, I have any oh

1:05:38

says a personal sponsor but that doesn't.

1:05:41

Have. Don't. Know where it

1:05:43

is. It's pretty weird as. The.

1:05:47

Our sorry that I don't think it's gonna

1:05:49

be any. Full. i yeah

1:05:51

i think we should do a show

1:05:53

like that like spencer spencer come out

1:05:55

with drama on how fast i'm i'm

1:05:57

going to get the satellites I

1:06:00

love it. Or we at least incorporate it in all

1:06:02

these shows when we can, because it's really good. Speaking

1:06:05

of new bikes, if you're in the market

1:06:07

for one that does work really

1:06:09

well with disc brakes, the Ventum

1:06:11

NS1, which we've all been rocking,

1:06:15

they're going to give away one of these

1:06:17

after the Giro. So that's very, very soon. Within

1:06:19

the next month, we're going to give away a

1:06:21

brand new NS1 road bike. If

1:06:24

you'd like to register, it doesn't cost you a thing. You

1:06:27

could go into the

1:06:29

drawing, go to ventumracing.com/the

1:06:31

dash move. All

1:06:33

right, the campaign runs until May 26th at

1:06:35

the end of the Giro. A

1:06:38

couple other things that are very important. You mentioned it

1:06:40

earlier on the show. Johan sat

1:06:42

down with Eddie Merckx. It

1:06:44

is on YouTube. It is not

1:06:46

in this audio feed. I mean,

1:06:48

our our listenership is far exceeds

1:06:50

just the viewership of YouTube. So

1:06:53

a lot of you listen to the show and

1:06:55

maybe don't know if you're not a YouTube watcher.

1:06:58

And the reason it lives on YouTube is because,

1:07:01

you know, it needed the

1:07:03

English subtitles. Right. And so if

1:07:05

you want to go catch that interview, it is well worth it.

1:07:08

While you're there, you can catch the

1:07:10

Bernard Henno interview. I mean, Johan's been

1:07:12

working hard this this year, this spring.

1:07:15

And it's very, very good stuff. I mean,

1:07:17

how often does the do either of those

1:07:19

riders sit down for interviews in the last

1:07:21

decade? Not much. Not much at all. It's

1:07:24

very, very good stuff. If you enjoy the show,

1:07:26

like and subscribe. We appreciate you tuning in. I

1:07:29

know there's a lot of places to get your

1:07:31

race recap. I personally

1:07:33

think we got the best couple

1:07:35

of brains possible here evaluating a

1:07:38

tour of Romandy for us. So thank you very

1:07:40

much, Johan. Spencer, appreciate you

1:07:42

guys. We will be back on

1:07:44

Friday for a Giro preview. All

1:07:47

right, we'll see you then. Thank

1:08:01

you.