0:00

the WAN show. We've got a great show

0:02

lined up for you guys today.

0:04

Our big headline topic is of

0:06

course that AMD's numbers are bigger

0:08

than Intel's, therefore their

0:11

products are better. But AMD,

0:16

why do you have to follow

0:18

Intel's naming scheme? It's the worst

0:20

thing their company does, and Intel

0:22

has done some pretty terrible stuff. In

0:25

other news this week, there is

0:27

of course the verdict in the

0:29

big, big court case. I'm

0:33

talking of course about, oh

0:37

dang it, I lost it, here it is. Yes, Bungie

0:41

winning a decision against cheat

0:44

sellers. So that's

0:46

pretty exciting. What else we got Luke? Oh

0:50

boy, this delay. Google

0:55

had a leak of a document, 2500 pages

0:58

of internal documents that detail the inner

1:00

workings of Google search. And

1:03

it's a little interesting because it goes against a lot of

1:05

stuff that they've said in the past. Don't look at it. Yeah,

1:07

don't worry about it, don't worry about it. It's not important.

1:09

It might be on a date. It might be on a date,

1:11

even though we said things in the past that contradict it. It

1:14

might be on a date. Also, Valve says you can't put

1:16

your games in your will. Yeah,

1:18

what the heck? All your games die. Today's

1:36

show is brought to you by Rocket

1:38

Money, AG1 and Ridge, along

1:41

with our chair partner, Secret Lab.

1:43

Why don't we jump right into

1:45

our big topic today?

1:48

And that is of course that

1:50

No Door Accord apparently

1:53

just had a daughter in floatplane

1:56

chat. Okay, sorry, sorry, sorry, I'll move on. I'll move on.

1:58

AMD's numbers are big. bigger than

2:00

Intel's. According to multiple sources

2:03

and leaks, AMD has decided

2:05

to rename their upcoming Ryzen

2:07

8050-9050 APUs in

2:10

order to insert AI

2:12

in the name, resulting in the

2:14

Ryzen AI 100 series. Okay, this

2:17

I believe we already talked

2:19

about. Ridiculous, obnoxious, I

2:22

don't think anybody looked at Intel's core

2:24

ultra naming scheme and went, wow,

2:28

that sure makes it easier to understand

2:30

what your product line is. And I

2:33

just, I can't really wrap my brain around this

2:35

because on the one hand, you look at a

2:37

sort of misleading or confusing naming

2:39

scheme and you go, oh, well, that

2:42

makes sense. It's so that they can

2:44

sell you something not as good and

2:46

make it sound good like something you

2:48

would want. But when it's just a

2:50

random mumble jumble of

2:52

numbers and letters, how

2:54

the **** am I supposed to know that I would want any

2:57

of it, I don't really understand what

2:59

they're trying to achieve here. So

3:02

naturally, AMD followed

3:05

suit with this supposed Ryzen AI 100 series.

3:07

No wait, it

3:09

gets better. More recent leaks

3:12

indicate that AMD has again,

3:14

internally rebranded these chips, this

3:16

time to Ryzen AI 300

3:20

series so that they will not

3:22

appear at less numerically advanced than

3:25

Intel's core ultra 200 series,

3:27

which is following the core ultra

3:29

100 series. Can

3:35

I just say this? AMD,

3:38

at some point, you

3:41

know, you got the market share,

3:43

you've got the performance, you've got

3:45

the mind share, man, you guys

3:47

have got the engineering knowhow. At

3:50

some point, you've got to respect yourself. At

3:53

some point, you've got to stop

3:55

just calling your product Intel's

3:58

naming scheme plus. Right,

4:01

it goes all the way back

4:03

to the PR or the performance

4:05

rating system from back in what?

4:07

That would have been late 90s,

4:10

early 2000s, somewhere in that timeframe

4:12

when AMD had already abandoned the

4:14

gigahertz race. They had recognized that

4:16

chasing more and more gigahertz was

4:18

not the solution to gaining better

4:21

performance and better efficiency. And

4:23

so it started out kind

4:25

of valid enough, right? Where they were

4:27

saying, look, our processor doesn't run at

4:30

the same frequency, but we're going to

4:32

have this PR rating system that's going

4:34

to be pretty much what

4:36

Intel would have run at that kind

4:38

of frequency, but like better. So they

4:40

put plus at the end. And

4:43

then AMD got kind of loosey

4:45

goosey with the performance rating plus towards

4:47

the end of the Athlon XP days

4:49

in particular, where you could buy a

4:51

3200 plus, but well, here, let

4:56

me put it this way. They released a

4:58

3200 plus Athlon 64 product. Okay.

5:03

So that was their next generation K8 compared to

5:05

the K7. They released a 3200

5:08

plus that absolutely bulldozed

5:10

the original Athlon XP

5:13

3200 plus. It

5:16

wasn't even close. Okay. So

5:18

AMD knew, note, I don't even

5:21

have to bring an Intel chip into the

5:23

comparison. AMD clearly

5:25

knew that if this is 3200 plus, this

5:27

can't be. And

5:30

they've pulled this kind of bullshit

5:32

time and time and time

5:34

again. Man, I'm trying to

5:37

think of one of the ones

5:39

recently where they changed the

5:41

naming of their chipset so

5:44

that when Intel released their new

5:46

chipset, it would be the same number or

5:49

something like that. Guys, guys, let me know in the chat.

5:51

Let me know which one it was. I'm

5:53

trying to remember. Yeah.

5:56

Hit me, hit me with that. X370 versus Z370. Yeah.

6:00

in one of them. The point is they've

6:02

done this over and over and over again.

6:04

It is so obnoxious.

6:08

Just be your own company

6:10

with your own product line.

6:13

Communicate your own value ad

6:16

and stop trying to confuse

6:18

consumers. We understand why you're

6:21

doing it. You want

6:23

to make your generation of product seem

6:25

like it's a generation ahead of Intel.

6:27

But this is such a stupid game.

6:29

And if you play it, you're just

6:31

going to win stupid prizes because now

6:33

now what? Oh, man,

6:36

I'm trying to wrap my head. So so what? So

6:38

what? So Intel is going to skip a generation now

6:40

and then they're going to have 400 and then AMD

6:42

is just going to have what odd numbers and Intel

6:44

is going to have even number like no

6:47

one's going to be able to understand what they're

6:51

buying. I hate

6:53

it. They end up changing naming schemes entirely

6:55

because like Intel is not going to be

6:57

happy with being leapfrogged all the time. So

7:01

they're going to like have to change that which

7:03

I'm completely for honestly, because I've never liked the

7:06

core branding. The

7:08

core man, the fact that Ryzen

7:10

5 Ryzen 7 stuff was good.

7:13

Well, yeah, but that was just copying Intel

7:15

to like tell

7:17

me, tell me something AMD has

7:20

done branding wise, that has been

7:22

an original thought in

7:25

the last five years. Give me

7:27

something. Five years. Yeah, no, I

7:29

got nothing. I got nothing. I was like, I was

7:31

trying to dig deep and be like, I think there's

7:33

some ideas there. But no, no, you

7:35

know what? Okay. NH 4x4

7:38

tracker says x3d. Yeah,

7:40

I love that. It's so

7:43

clear. AMD had an

7:45

engineering advantage. They're 3d vcash. They

7:47

had an engineering advantage. And they

7:50

put that in the product name.

7:52

They clearly communicated the value add

7:54

of 3d vcash, which is that it

7:56

benefits gaming and certain applications. And they

7:59

put it in the product name. I

8:01

love it. That's how you

8:04

name a product. You tell us what the fuck

8:06

it is. Okay,

8:08

okay. Hit me with a couple other ones. Uh,

8:12

now Fred Ripper's not with him the last five years, yo. Sorry.

8:16

Sorry. Yeah. I

8:19

thought X3D was older too, but I appear to be

8:21

wrong. Yeah, no, X3D is

8:23

pretty recent. Okay.

8:26

Uh, yep. Yeah,

8:31

that's about it. Cool.

8:34

Um, all right. Ridiculous.

8:40

Anywho, uh, yeah, I hate

8:42

it. And apparently, oh

8:44

my God, apparently they're skipping a number

8:47

on the next motherboard chip set going

8:49

straight from X670 to X870, which

8:53

is most likely to launch at this year's

8:55

Computex, which is also going to see the

8:57

debut of Intel's Z890. It is

9:02

not good for consumers. It still has a smaller

9:04

number. That, and it's

9:06

not good for consumers to see very

9:08

similar numbers on the shelf when they

9:10

are shopping for a product, especially when

9:13

now, even physically, they don't appear that

9:15

different. Like the socket in the middle

9:17

of a motherboard kind of looks the

9:19

same to the lay person. Just

9:24

have a clear numbering and naming scheme of

9:26

your own. All right. That's all I really

9:28

want to say about that. Let's move on

9:30

to our next topic. What do you want

9:33

to talk about, Luke? What do we got?

9:35

Google search doc is real. Let's do

9:37

that. Google has confirmed the authenticity of

9:39

a 2,500 page leaked

9:42

internal document detailing the inner

9:44

workings of Google search. A

9:46

Google representative warned against making

9:49

inaccurate assumptions based about, sorry,

9:51

about search based out of,

9:54

out of, oh wow, I really do. You're doing okay.

9:56

You jet lag, buddy. Are you jet lag? I've

10:00

been in the woods for a few days, so I haven't

10:02

looked at a computer screen in like four days, making

10:05

inaccurate assumptions about search based

10:07

on out of context, outdated,

10:09

or incomplete information. Likely

10:11

because they market... Wow. Likely

10:14

because many marketing and SEO experts

10:16

have concluded that the documents directly

10:19

contradict past public statements by Google

10:21

representatives about how search works. Google

10:23

employees have previously denied that search

10:25

uses click-centric metrics to determine page

10:28

rankings, that it does not consider

10:30

subdomains separately from domains, and that

10:32

it doesn't penalize new websites, but

10:35

these claims are all directly contradicted

10:37

by these technical API documents. Further,

10:40

Spark Toro founder and marketing expert

10:42

Rand Fishkin says that the documents

10:45

show a clear pattern of Google

10:47

search increasingly prioritizing powerful brands over

10:49

all else, even when smaller

10:51

sites and companies are more authoritative, trustworthy, and

10:54

relevant, which is something that we've been talking

10:56

about for a while now. And

10:58

even, I think we had a topic on

11:00

WAN from Houseresh

11:03

about a month ago, a few

11:05

weeks ago, about this exact problem,

11:08

and now we see it in technical

11:10

documents. And they can say whatever they want,

11:14

they confirm the authenticity of the documents. So

11:17

yeah, sure, maybe it's out of date. It sure

11:19

doesn't feel like it. Maybe it's gotten worse. Maybe

11:21

that's the outdated part. I'm not sure. And

11:24

it doesn't matter how out of date

11:26

it is if it's contemporary, right?

11:28

Like if it is from the

11:30

same time that they issued these

11:32

denials that they are... Yeah,

11:35

that they're determining page rankings in these manners. I

11:38

think it's been very clear to

11:40

anyone who's ever talked to

11:42

a Google representative that they

11:44

are not transparent about how

11:46

their algorithms work, and

11:48

they will hide behind excuses

11:50

like, oh, well, you know, we don't know.

11:53

It's a black box. We are not sure.

11:56

No. But the reality

11:58

of it is that I have personally... had

12:00

experiences with Google staff. I mean, obviously

12:02

most of my experiences with YouTube, not

12:04

with Google search, but I have personally

12:07

had experiences with Google staff where I've

12:09

basically said, hey, you guys tuned

12:11

something. Here's what I think you tuned. And they're

12:13

like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

12:15

no, no, no, no. And then six

12:17

months a year later, I go, hey, you

12:20

know, about that experiment a year ago, I

12:22

see you guys have kind of walked it back. And they're

12:25

like, yeah, it was

12:27

kind of tuned too far for X.

12:29

I'm like, right. So

12:32

yeah, you never like acknowledged it to me at the

12:34

time. But if I just pretend that I knew about

12:36

it, then no problem. And

12:39

to be clear, these were not, it's

12:42

not as black and white either, as

12:44

just an engineer going in and turning a

12:46

dial, right? These are these are gigantic platforms.

12:49

So any experiment that they run would never

12:51

be site wide these days. I mean, you'll

12:53

see this in things like the rollout of

12:55

the new layout, for example, where a small

12:57

handful of people see it, and then more

13:00

people see it. And then they gather feedback

13:02

and they gather user metrics. And then and

13:04

then they roll it out a little further,

13:06

a little further, and then they make some

13:08

tweaks and then you roll it out a

13:11

little further. So it's

13:14

not usually as simple as

13:16

just, oh, yeah, we want to be able

13:18

to respond better. This is the time

13:20

that I noticed this in particular was

13:22

when TikTok was really on the rise.

13:24

It's what like five, six years ago,

13:26

seven, I don't know, it would have

13:28

been a number of years ago. And

13:31

it was kind of in the in

13:33

the hot knife through object phase of

13:35

YouTube, where, from what I could tell,

13:37

it was basically impossible to break out

13:39

if you were anything other than how

13:41

many M&Ms you can flush down the

13:44

toilet, right? Like it was just just

13:47

viral Pablum, wall

13:50

to wall, as far as the eye could

13:52

see. And I was like,

13:54

Hey, I understand that you guys are up

13:56

against a platform that is very, very

14:00

on the ball, very trendy. But

14:02

you guys gotta make sure that YouTube doesn't

14:04

lose its soul, that YouTube doesn't forget what

14:06

it is, which is quality

14:09

content, which is elevating authoritative

14:11

voices that are going to

14:13

provide top tier entertainment

14:16

or education or whatever the case may be.

14:18

And obviously YouTube is full of garbage as well.

14:20

But in terms of what they were

14:22

going out of their way to promote,

14:25

I always felt that it was evergreen

14:27

content that has a lasting value. I

14:30

don't think that they've stayed true to

14:32

that value. I don't think they've stayed

14:34

true to that mission.

14:37

I think that things are falling

14:39

off. But

14:41

I haven't really seen a stark change, like

14:44

a sudden change. So I don't

14:47

really have any evidence to go by

14:49

these days. But it's pretty clear from

14:51

these leaked Google search documents that they

14:54

absolutely do know what they're doing,

14:56

at least to a degree. And

14:58

they absolutely are not transparent about

15:01

what exactly they are

15:03

changing. This is a really good comment

15:05

from Loewinverse over on Flow Plane Chat.

15:07

YouTube is the new TV. Yeah,

15:10

we attended a creator

15:13

workshop recently, and apparently TV.

15:16

And we can see this in our metrics as well. TV

15:19

usage for YouTube is growing like

15:22

crazy right now. And that's something that you

15:24

may see reflected in changes to our content

15:26

over the next little while, because we've got

15:28

to make sure that we're capturing that. I

15:30

mean, we've made little changes

15:33

to respond to platform

15:36

development over the years. Like, it's

15:38

funny how few people bring it up these days compared to

15:41

when we first did it. But when

15:43

mobile started to overtake desktop use,

15:45

and that was a lot

15:47

of years ago at this point, but when mobile

15:49

started to overtake desktop use, and

15:52

especially as mobile devices started

15:54

to abandon the 16 by

15:57

9 standard aspect ratio, we

15:59

actually changed the aspect ratio of

16:01

our videos. So it's not whatever

16:03

it would have been like eight and eighteen

16:06

and a half by nine or whatever was

16:08

kind of becoming the standard. I forget exactly

16:10

what it was but it was a little

16:12

bit wider right. It was not that but

16:15

it also wasn't sixteen by nine. We

16:17

kind of split the difference so that

16:19

you end up with small black bars

16:21

or small black bars vertically

16:24

so letterboxing on the desktop and

16:26

small black bars on the side

16:28

so pillar boxing on a mobile

16:30

device that has a taller or

16:33

wider screen. Yeah so

16:35

it's pretty darn good on the iPhone. It's

16:37

pretty darn good on the TV and on

16:40

your desktop but it's not

16:43

really perfect for anything but

16:46

you know that's something man maybe

16:49

this should be a conversation with YouTube. It'd be kind

16:51

of cool for us to be able to just build

16:53

in safeties and what are they called

16:56

Dan? You come from a production background. The safe

16:58

stones or keepouts or yeah

17:00

for what for videos and things

17:02

like that. Yeah what are they called again?

17:04

Safe zones. Yeah so if we could just

17:06

upload in like almost like a square just

17:09

like uploading a square aspect ratio and

17:11

then just make sure all the content is

17:13

within all the different safe zones and then it

17:15

could just auto crop that would actually be kind

17:18

of sick. It's very common yeah I

17:20

have those for WAN show and all sorts of stuff yeah. Really

17:24

how do you do that on WAN show where

17:26

it's got like text at the bottom. Oh all

17:30

right he just put it up on my preview thing. Well

17:32

that's cool. No he showed

17:34

everybody. Yeah everybody did that. All

17:36

right. He showed me. Everybody cuts off

17:38

the logo. That logo was designed by

17:40

the one and only Eddle Yago. How dare

17:43

you? Yeah that's

17:45

why we can't put anything over there. Oh

17:47

I mean the WAN banner acts as its own safe zone.

17:51

Way to go Dan. All the time. Whatever.

17:54

Way to be. Whatever just disconnect again Luke

17:56

I don't care. Alright,

18:03

what's next, Dan? We're gonna have to keep

18:05

things moving pretty quick because poor Luke, it's

18:07

the morning there and... Well, let's get a

18:09

couple merch messages in. And he was in

18:11

the woods or something? I don't know what

18:13

the f*** he's talking about. Sounds like a

18:15

good vacation. Yeah,

18:19

sure, I got a couple merch messages for

18:21

you. Oh, hold on, I should explain how

18:23

they work then. Also, we have a very

18:25

exciting announcement for LTT Store this week! We

18:27

are launching... We are launching the Scribe Driver!

18:39

Hey, there we go. Hold on, let's see if I can catch

18:41

the... Oh, the

18:43

Scribe Driver! It's a

18:45

Bolt Action stainless steel

18:47

pen available in, I

18:50

believe, two different colorways. Yes, yes, yes,

18:52

yes, yes. Bolt Action

18:54

stainless steel pen that is

18:57

made out of upcycled screwdriver

18:59

shafts. So if you

19:01

guys remember, I was talking about how

19:03

our original supplier for the screwdrivers... There's

19:06

the gold accented one and

19:08

then... Oh, sorry, that's the silver accented one.

19:10

And there's the brass accented

19:12

one. So if you guys remember

19:14

me talking about this before, our

19:16

original supplier that was supposed to

19:18

build our screwdriver shafts and ratchet

19:21

assemblies screwed up, well,

19:23

got acquired, and then deprioritized their

19:25

work and ended up taking forever

19:28

and giving us extremely low-quality output.

19:30

And one of the things that

19:32

they built for us without ever

19:35

getting the go-ahead to actually build them because

19:37

we didn't approve the final samples, but they

19:39

built for us 100,000 screwdriver shafts. And

19:44

they basically were like, well, we made

19:46

them, so you're not getting a refund.

19:48

And we said, okay, well, if

19:50

we're paying for them, then you better darn

19:52

well deliver them to us. So we

19:55

got pallets of screwdriver shafts

19:58

that... Honestly, we

20:00

couldn't use in any other way.

20:04

Oh, oh, I should go to the luke. Oh, oh,

20:06

oh, oh, oh, oh, oh boy. Oh, yeah, there we

20:08

go. Hey, okay, there.

20:11

There we go. Ah,

20:15

yeah. So anyway, so we got these pallets

20:17

of screwdriver shafts, and if you guys are

20:19

good at time, then you'll know

20:21

that we've probably had them for a hot

20:23

minute at this point because we got these

20:26

around the time that we were launching the

20:28

original screwdriver. So

20:30

anyway, we looked at them and we kind of went, well,

20:32

it would be really cool if we could do

20:34

something with these, and the original plan was

20:37

to just melt them down and turn them

20:39

into something. Like, I had kind of pitched,

20:41

what about a failed wrench? And

20:44

it was just like a normal wrench. There's

20:46

nothing special about it, but it's just made

20:48

of failed screwdriver shafts or something like that,

20:51

just trying to get something out of it.

20:53

And then we kicked around a bunch of

20:55

ideas, and eventually, I forget who pitched it.

20:58

It must have been Sebastian

21:00

because this is absolutely his

21:02

handiwork, but he took one of

21:05

the shafts, and you can actually see this

21:07

one has quite a bit more of a

21:10

screwdriver shape to it still. There you go. No,

21:12

no, it's good, Dan. It's got more of a

21:14

screwdriver shape to it. It

21:17

hasn't been laid down to make it. Here,

21:21

here we go. There's a final profile. There

21:23

you go. See like that? Ah, cool. So

21:26

it's got more of a screwdriver shape to it, and then he just like, Frankenstein-ed

21:29

a regular pen

21:32

top onto it, and was like, huh? Fail

21:35

pen. I'm like, whoa, that's

21:37

so cool. So then in LTT

21:39

store fashion, instead of just going

21:42

for something basic, we spent

21:45

a bloody year developing a legitimately

21:47

actually really great bolt-action

21:49

pen. It's got a really nice feel,

21:51

great little fidget toy. It's

21:54

compatible with, hold on, hold on, I forget.

21:56

Basically what I told them is, look, make

21:59

sure... it's whatever like the good

22:01

one is that, oh,

22:04

Linus laptop, oh, it's unplugged. Well, there's your

22:06

problem right there. I was

22:08

basically like, look, make sure it's

22:10

whatever the good one is that is broadly

22:12

available, so people aren't locked into whatever and

22:15

so that we don't have to deal with

22:17

dum-dums on Reddit that talk about how old

22:19

the ink quality is bad.

22:21

Literally someone already posted that. I'm

22:24

just gonna get a BIC pen because the ink quality of the

22:27

scribe driver is not even good. What

22:29

are you even talking about? A,

22:32

you don't know and B, you can

22:34

put in any, hold on, hold

22:36

on, let me find it, any Parker

22:38

G2 refill. There are

22:40

so many options. You

22:42

can put in basically anything you want.

22:46

So we didn't wanna wait. I have a bit of a

22:48

question here. Yeah, go ahead. If you can

22:50

scroll through the photos and see the one

22:52

where it's in like a pen holder. Have

22:54

they been killing it on the product photos

22:57

lately or what? The photos

22:59

look fantastic. I will also give them that

23:01

absolutely. I assume this is Maria. Yeah,

23:04

what can I do for you? Keep scrolling,

23:06

they see me scrolling. Did you find

23:08

the one where it's mounted in a

23:10

bag in a orange and black like

23:12

LTT backpack? Oh, I'm

23:15

working on it. Oh yeah,

23:17

laser, laser, let's go. Oh

23:21

yeah, it's like two down or something. You're

23:23

almost there. Here we go. That's in the tech

23:25

sack. Okay,

23:28

all right. I have my backpack

23:30

here and I was like, where

23:32

is that? And I was

23:35

like, is this a leak? Is it a big

23:37

leak, a bag? No, no,

23:39

no, it's a tech sack. Oh

23:42

yeah, show them the bolt action. Gotta

23:44

love it. Anyway, really,

23:47

oh sorry, it's electrical discharge machined.

23:49

Sorry, not laser, electrical discharge machined.

23:52

Man, we spent so much time

23:54

on like, how

23:56

to make the logo. I saw laser versions, I saw actual

23:59

like. machined versions. Yeah,

24:02

we ended up settling on that. So

24:04

yeah, quality, sustainably built product. It's

24:07

30 bucks, which for these kinds

24:09

of pens, actually pretty competitive and

24:11

it's a really great pen. So

24:13

I hope you guys enjoy it. And okay,

24:15

Dan, okay, right, I'm explaining merge messages. So

24:18

if you wanna interact with the show, don't

24:21

do a super chat or a Twitch bit or

24:23

whatever. Do a merge message. All you gotta do

24:25

is go to LTT store, go to the cart,

24:27

and if you got something in your cart and

24:29

we're live, you can go ahead and leave a

24:31

merge message. And if you check out, it'll go

24:33

to producer Dan, there he is, who will reply

24:35

to it or pop it up down here on

24:37

the bottom of the screen or forward it

24:39

to someone internally who can respond to it

24:41

for you. Or he will send it to

24:43

me and Luke, who will address it as

24:45

a merge message. Dan, do you wanna show

24:47

the folks how it works? Yeah, sure, I'm

24:49

still going through all of them. They seem

24:51

to really, really like pens. Yeah,

24:53

before we even talked about it on WAN

24:55

show, we had sold hundreds of them today.

24:58

So that's good because we've got 100,000 shafts. Now,

25:05

I believe each pen is made of two

25:08

shafts, I wanna say, I don't

25:10

remember. So I'm not gonna, you know what, I'm not gonna

25:12

say anything. Oh, that's something you'll notice by the way, is

25:15

there might be slight color mismatches between the

25:17

two sides. It's an upcycled product, guys, take

25:20

it for what it is. It's

25:22

a unique piece of LTT

25:24

history. The time that Linus

25:26

got fucking shafted. There

25:30

it is, right there. Who

25:33

here wish, is this a forced limited

25:35

edition product then? Like once you sell

25:37

the 100,000, would we

25:39

find a way to continue making

25:42

them or is that it? I

25:44

don't know. I mean, we haven't numbered them or

25:46

anything like that. We've

25:48

kind of kicked it around. I mean, right

25:51

now we're more concerned with developing other failed

25:53

products than we are with selling 100,000 pens.

25:57

I mean, with that said, I haven't looked at the

25:59

sales numbers. since we

26:01

started the shows, or you never know

26:03

now that we've actually formally announced it,

26:05

things might go a little different.

26:09

So we'll see. Also, I want to address this because I've heard

26:11

a few people comment on it. He's

26:14

not like intentionally talking over me. There's,

26:16

I think, over half a second of

26:18

delay between us, and that makes it

26:21

actually ridiculously hard to communicate. So it

26:23

is what it is. Yeah, I'm erring

26:25

on the side. I'm trying to time...

26:27

Sorry? Just

26:31

going to say, I'm erring on the

26:33

side of trying to fill

26:35

voids and trying to

26:37

leave only very obvious gaps because not

26:39

only is Luke a little bit delayed

26:41

in terms of his internet connection, but

26:43

his brain seems to be pretty slow

26:45

today. So don't worry, I'm

26:47

here to carry it for you, bro. I'm

26:51

also trying to time when I

26:53

talk for just before

26:55

Linus is done talking, so

26:57

that the delay isn't as noticeable for the stream, but

26:59

that's going to be difficult to do. So

27:01

I don't know. It is what it is. Yeah,

27:03

we're going to do our best with it, guys. We're going to do

27:05

our best with it. Alright. Why

27:08

don't you hit me with a couple of merge messages? Oh,

27:10

good lord! Don't look at that. It's fine.

27:12

I'll get through it. Let's

27:14

see. Hey, LLD, if South Park were to

27:16

parody you and LTT, like they did with

27:18

Logan Paul and Lizzo, how

27:21

do you think they'd portray you? What kind

27:23

of wild storyline do you imagine they'd come

27:25

up with? Oh, man. They've

27:27

already done the episode that I would

27:29

want to be in. The one where

27:31

they go to California and

27:33

Kyle unplugs and plugs back

27:36

in the giant Linksys WRT

27:38

wireless router. So

27:41

there is no South Park episode that I

27:43

would belong in, but I would love to

27:45

be the techie Canadian with

27:48

my head all... Hey, buddy!

27:52

And somehow I'm involved in that storyline, but other

27:54

than that, I have no idea.

28:00

Okay and what else I got here. Linus you

28:02

work a lot. Do you ever wish

28:05

you had more time to pursue hobbies and interests

28:07

you have outside of work? I

28:09

mean that's the thing about making your hobby

28:12

your job. I kind of do my hobby

28:14

every day to the point where sometimes I

28:16

get kind of sick of it and I

28:18

need other hobbies. I have kids which is

28:20

kind of a big hobby. That was part

28:22

of that conversation. I

28:24

think Yvonne and I talked about that a couple weeks

28:26

ago when she was on the show but that was

28:29

part of that conversation that we had where it was like

28:32

look you know we don't she was basically

28:34

upset because she was like you hear about couples

28:36

that grow apart you know their

28:38

kids move out and and all this stuff happens and they

28:40

basically look at each other and they go who even are

28:42

you like I don't know you anymore. You

28:45

know what do we do together and I kind of went well

28:47

we do raising kids together we do

28:49

building a company together we do all

28:52

of these things I think we just

28:54

need a perspective adjustment so that we

28:56

can recognize raising kids as

28:58

our hobby. I

29:00

mean people absolutely treat having

29:02

dogs as a hobby like

29:04

taking care of their dogs and training

29:07

them and feeding them and grooming them and like

29:09

all these things it's like well what

29:11

fucking difference is it? They're

29:14

just really smart dogs and eventually

29:16

they move out. It's

29:18

great. It

29:21

has challenges. But

29:23

yeah to me it's just a perspective

29:25

thing right and so I have hobbies.

29:27

My hobbies are my job, my

29:30

hobbies are my kids. I'm painting my

29:32

motorbike right now. I game

29:35

you know when I find time I

29:39

like setting things up you know I like I

29:42

find cable managing and organizing like kind of relaxing.

29:44

I was never that kind of person when I

29:47

was young when I was a kid. I was

29:49

the kid that you couldn't walk across the floor

29:51

without breaking something because all of my belongings were

29:53

just strewn across it and like I was the

29:55

teenager with like all the plates and dishes in

29:57

my room that needed to be cleaned up. to

30:00

be taken up to the kitchen and giant batches

30:02

to be cleaned, hopefully by someone else if they

30:04

don't see me putting them all here. I

30:06

was always that kind of person, but I think having

30:09

a team has

30:11

made me really appreciate

30:14

the importance of organization and value

30:16

that to the point where I'll

30:19

spend a Saturday afternoon like one

30:21

of my few times legitimately to

30:23

myself, just like organizing my garage.

30:26

I complete an embarrassingly small number

30:28

of projects in my garage, but

30:30

I spend probably more time than

30:33

I do working on projects, just like organizing

30:35

it and going, this

30:39

is a space I can control. I go,

30:41

God, everything is where it's supposed to be. Everything

30:44

is fine. Sure,

30:51

we can do another topic. Luke,

30:53

do you want to, why don't I read a

30:55

topic? Oh,

30:59

no, no, we're not going to do it. I

31:01

got it. I got it. I got it.

31:03

I got it. You get

31:05

another chance. Pull me in, coach. Which one? Whichever

31:08

one you want. You could do Scrapyard Wars is back. Yeah,

31:11

let me do that. Scrapyard

31:14

Wars is back. We're bringing back Scrapyard

31:16

Wars with the help of our partner,

31:18

Jawa.gg. We're a marketplace for

31:20

all things gaming, full PCs, PC components, peripherals,

31:22

even consoles, all from verified sellers. While the

31:25

series won't be coming out until July, we'll

31:27

be shooting it soon, and we need your

31:29

help. We'll be hunting for some of our

31:31

components on Jawa, so if you list your

31:33

old parts on there, we might be able

31:36

to buy them from you. Keep in mind

31:38

that you'll be listing it for real, so

31:40

don't try to sell like a $40.90 for

31:43

a dollar so that I can win

31:45

or Linus can win or something, because someone else might

31:47

just buy it. Yeah. And

31:50

also, keep an eye on Jawa.gg, because

31:52

they're going to be launching a massive

31:54

giveaway to celebrate the return of

31:57

Scrapyard Wars. guys

32:00

anything about what the gimmick

32:03

will be this time, but what I will

32:05

say is that it will be both back

32:08

to roots, classic, awesome,

32:12

head to head, and

32:14

also you won't see it coming

32:16

from a mile away. I

32:20

don't even know what it is. Yeah, no, I'm

32:22

really excited about it. There's no competitive advantage for

32:24

me knowing and you not knowing, it's

32:26

just fun. Oh no, I'm

32:28

not. Yeah, it's fine. Pure fun. This

32:31

is a confidence. Yeah, whatever. I'm

32:34

just going to extend my winning streak. You

32:37

know what? **** you, Luke. Well,

32:39

based on how you did price guessing. I want the stare down. I

32:41

want the stare down. Based

32:47

on how you did that

32:49

price guessing video we did

32:51

together, I don't know. I

32:53

might have a chance still. I've been out of

32:55

it for a while though. It's going to be

32:57

interesting. I'm

33:00

going to do another one. Valve is a cheapskate. Yeah,

33:03

it's a good skill. Hopefully, it

33:05

will continue to carry me. Valve

33:08

says you can't put your games

33:10

in your will. A customer support

33:12

representative from Valve has confirmed that

33:14

you cannot bequeath your Steam account

33:16

as property in your will because

33:19

Steam accounts and games are non-transferable

33:21

in the event of death. This

33:24

means that the Valve team would be

33:26

unable to provide another person access to

33:28

your account or to merge its contents

33:30

with another account even if that was

33:32

laid out in a valid will. Account

33:35

holders can obviously still transfer control

33:37

of their account simply by giving

33:39

another person their login information, but

33:41

who owns this collection of perpetual

33:43

game licenses would be legally ambiguous.

33:45

I think another way to help

33:47

in this scenario would be to

33:49

set up one of the Steam family

33:51

things. Yeah, but that wouldn't stay

33:53

valid forever. Because

33:56

if you didn't log into an account

33:58

for a certain amount of time, I

34:00

suspect... I suspect that eventually Valve would

34:02

close the account. Like

34:04

if you don't log into a Gmail account

34:06

for five years or whatever, they close it.

34:09

I don't know what the number of years

34:11

is, so your mileage may vary on that.

34:13

But no, I would be very surprised if

34:15

they don't eventually close accounts that are just

34:18

inactive. With that said, a

34:20

Gmail account is not full

34:22

of things that

34:24

someone paid for, right? Like

34:27

they wouldn't close a Gmail account that's

34:29

being actively renewed, that has like an

34:31

extra storage subscription or whatever else. So

34:34

I don't think that's quite a perfect parallel

34:36

to something like a Steam account, where yeah,

34:38

it's full of paid merchandise.

34:40

I don't like this in general.

34:42

I think that Valve is a

34:44

force for good in

34:49

the gaming industry. I think in general,

34:52

Valve is a force for good for

34:54

consumer rights, at least

34:56

relative to their competition. This

34:59

is something that I see as a

35:01

step backward in terms of consumer rights

35:03

when it comes to games. Nothing

35:05

prevents me from bequeathing a retro

35:08

game collection of SNES cartridges, for

35:10

example, to my

35:13

children or my friends or colleagues or

35:18

whoever the case may be. Dan,

35:20

you can have my Super Mario RPG, okay? Yay.

35:26

I'm kidding. That's a cool

35:28

cart. You know what? No, forget it.

35:30

No, forget it. No, no, you

35:32

know what? No, you're out. You're out of the will.

35:34

Oh no. Who

35:37

queets me, Linus? All

35:39

right, all right. You can have my Super Mario RPG. But

35:44

yeah, so nothing prevented that. And

35:47

while technically I get it, these

35:50

are digital licenses to use it. These

35:52

are our perpetual licenses to

35:55

the licensee which is

35:58

a person. I

36:00

don't know. It's um... I

36:03

just think it sucks, but we're seeing

36:05

this kind of thing all over the place. So

36:08

Luke, I don't know if I talked to you about this, but

36:10

when I spent the four

36:12

to five years that I spent shopping

36:14

for somewhere to build a badminton centre,

36:17

that's something that I've been passionate about

36:19

for a very long time, and something

36:21

that I spent years trying

36:23

to find a location for, one

36:26

of the options that came up was a 99-year lease.

36:30

That was actually in kind

36:32

of the recreation

36:35

centre of

36:37

one of the municipalities within

36:39

the lower mainland, within the Vancouver

36:41

area, and I basically

36:44

was like, okay, so how

36:46

does this work? Because this is just bare land.

36:49

So do you guys build a building

36:52

on it? And then, like

36:54

what, I just sign a lease until

36:56

my death, and then after I die,

37:00

someone else is just gonna lease it or

37:02

something, and... Okay. I

37:05

knew more about how they worked

37:07

when I was having this conversation, but what I'm

37:09

laying out right now would be, I think, a

37:11

pretty reasonable assumption for how something like that works.

37:14

No, get this. You want to know how it

37:16

works? You pay them

37:18

market rate, no

37:21

discount. You pay the market rate

37:23

for the land as though you

37:25

were buying it. Instead

37:27

of getting the deed, instead of holding

37:30

that property as a private property owner,

37:33

you hold the right to

37:35

lease it for 99 years,

37:38

or your own lifetime,

37:40

or some combination of which comes first,

37:42

or of the two. And if you're

37:44

a corporation, for example, you're a Best

37:46

Buyer in Amazon or whatever, then it

37:48

would be tied to probably the time,

37:50

and it would be tied to the

37:52

corporate entity rather than a person, but

37:55

in my case, it would probably be

37:57

a brand new corporation that would be spun up

37:59

just for this bad. Edmonton Enterprise, so and

38:01

I would probably be along with

38:03

Yvonne, the only shareholder and director.

38:05

So it would basically be tied

38:08

to our lives. So you

38:10

pay full price and I go, okay,

38:12

but like, do

38:14

you guys contribute to the development of

38:17

a building? Like this is just bare

38:19

dirt. Did

38:21

you build the building? And then I lease it. They're like, nah,

38:24

you build the building. And I was like, okay.

38:29

So I buy the land and

38:31

then I build the building. I pay the full

38:33

cost for that. And then

38:35

when the lease expires, you guys

38:38

reimburse the asset

38:40

that you've taken over in some way,

38:42

like the building cost or something like

38:45

that to my beneficiary or no,

38:47

no, that's ours now. And I'm

38:49

kind of sitting here going, what the fuck? Like

38:52

I, I, I, generally, I think that,

38:55

you know, a lot of Americans would probably

38:57

see me as a filthy socialist. I am,

38:59

I am pro, you know, public works. I,

39:03

I am pro tax dollars being

39:05

invested in, in public

39:07

programs, swimming pools, ice

39:09

rinks, libraries, parks.

39:12

Man I love that stuff. That's great.

39:15

Spend that money. Let's, let's build it.

39:17

People should have access to recreation and

39:19

entertainment. We shouldn't just be seen as

39:21

walking wallets that pay taxes, right? Like

39:23

I want services in return for my

39:26

taxes. All of that stuff. Sure.

39:29

No problem. But to basically go, okay,

39:31

yeah, you know what? Private ownership? Bad idea.

39:34

We take it back. No, no,

39:37

no, no, no.

39:41

Yeah, I looked into one of those a

39:43

while ago when

39:46

I was, I was shopping for, for my

39:48

own place to live and

39:50

was actually pretty stunned at how bad

39:52

of a deal it is. It's

39:56

a pretty wicked deal if you're the one selling it. Um,

40:00

yeah, you, you get to sell a property

40:03

and then your inheritance

40:05

down the line, just get the

40:07

property anyways, which

40:09

is kind of hilarious. Um, I

40:12

don't know weird. So

40:16

it's, um, so, so

40:18

anyway, I forget where I was going with

40:20

this. Oh, right. Um, so

40:22

I am generally pro if you pay for

40:25

something, it should belong to you and you

40:27

should be able to do whatever you want

40:29

with it. And that should include beyond your

40:31

own lifespan. Is it kind of

40:33

irrational? Yeah, I guess so.

40:36

Like I can see that perspective. Realistically, I

40:38

paid for the game. I

40:40

got all the benefit that I was possibly going

40:42

to get from it. The latest

40:44

research shows I can't take it with me. So

40:48

what difference does it make? I'm not there

40:50

to, you know, see my kids

40:53

enjoy my copy of Stardew

40:55

Valley. Like does it, does

40:57

it really matter? Could they just buy their own

40:59

copy? Probably. Um, but

41:02

I, um, I'm

41:06

torn is what I'm trying to

41:08

say. And I, I would like to see, I

41:10

would like to see valve do better, but

41:12

I also would fully understand if

41:14

this is an issue that they're

41:17

basically going to studiously ignore and

41:19

do absolutely nothing about. I mean,

41:21

valve has already done so much

41:24

to make their licensing terms

41:26

less, um, less

41:29

of a burden on their users. The

41:31

fact that you can family share games

41:33

digitally over the internet compared to

41:36

what everyone else was

41:38

pushing for. Absolute industry

41:40

changer, nevermind game changer. And

41:42

I don't think they're going

41:44

to win that battle again,

41:46

this time with bequeathing

41:48

games. Um, I also

41:50

have no idea what the landscape's going to look

41:53

like. Like, you know, 50 years from now when

41:55

I dropped dead, you know, hopefully knock on wood,

41:57

right? 50 years from now when I dropped dead.

42:00

kid's gonna want to play Anno 1800?

42:03

I suspect the the gaming paradigm is

42:05

gonna have changed so much like that

42:07

that's basically like my grandparents be queefing

42:10

me their original Atari whatever like the

42:12

the one with the actual you know

42:14

paddle controllers and that plays one game

42:16

that just plays pong I'm sitting here

42:19

going I mean that's sick yeah

42:22

but I'm not gonna play it and this

42:24

is digital loop. I don't think it should be up to

42:26

Valve. I don't think it should be up to Valve.

42:30

Decide. And

42:34

that's fair that's fair. It

42:37

shouldn't be up to us either really. Maybe

42:40

they do find it interesting. I'll

42:42

see it both ways I definitely

42:44

see it from both perspectives licensing

42:47

is a complicated thing and

42:49

you know we've seen time and time

42:51

again that it's often not down to

42:54

the publisher platform the publishing platform it's

42:56

often not even down necessarily to the

42:58

game publisher or to the game developer

43:01

like we've seen games get shut down

43:03

after 10 years for example because they

43:05

don't have the development cycles to go

43:08

and source and integrate new music and

43:10

there was licensed music that they only

43:12

had a finite license for man I

43:14

remember learning about that where we wanted

43:17

to do that Top Gun volleyball scene

43:19

with with the original music for Channel

43:21

Super Fun and they were basically like

43:23

yeah you can buy a six-month

43:26

license for this amount of money and then you

43:28

take down the video after I'm sitting there going

43:30

well that's stupid nobody is listening

43:32

to that song by watching this video over

43:34

and over again we're not even playing the

43:36

whole song like why do you

43:38

care if we just have a perpetual license for

43:41

it but it's just not how it works it's

43:43

a time time limited license and then

43:45

the music licensing industry is is

43:47

gonna be is gonna be doing

43:50

some stuff the big rights holders

43:52

in that industry are acquiring libraries

43:54

like never before and they are

43:56

gonna be jacking the prices

43:58

for any I claim iconic music from

44:01

big artists. It's a whole thing.

44:03

Sorry, that's a whole rabbit hole.

44:09

Anywho, what are we supposed to

44:11

be talking about? I

44:15

think it's new topic time. Sure.

44:17

Luke, do you want to pick a topic or do I get to pick

44:19

a topic this time? I'm

44:23

going to keep going because I can't do

44:25

a lot of the back and forth conversation

44:27

afterwards, so I'll just read out the topics.

44:29

Nice. PayPal launches an ad network. PayPal has

44:31

a fish that it will be launching an

44:34

ad network that will sell ads leveraging –

44:36

oh no – leveraging the data it collects

44:38

on the purchase history and spending half of

44:40

its 400 million users.

44:43

PayPal claims that users will be able to

44:45

opt out of their data being used in

44:47

ad targeting. However, the only way to completely

44:50

opt out of data collects users to delete

44:52

their accounts. This change

44:54

would also likely affect users of PayPal

44:56

subsidiaries like Venmo and Honey, and I

44:58

believe there's more as well, but I'm

45:01

not surprised Honey's in there. Thanks. I

45:04

know that credit card companies sort of

45:07

do this as well. They sell your

45:09

data in regards to purchase history, or

45:12

at least this is something that happened far in the

45:14

past, but I suspect this will be a little bit

45:16

more direct. I'm not sure. Nice.

45:19

This is terrible. I

45:23

mean, look, let's be realistic.

45:26

PayPal was already probably selling

45:28

this data to other ad

45:30

networks, so in terms of your

45:33

personalized ads that are coming through on

45:35

the side of the websites you use,

45:38

or while you're waiting for your

45:40

favorite livestream – or

45:47

while you're waiting for your favorite livestream to load, you're

45:49

probably not going to see a difference. The

45:51

only real difference is that PayPal is

45:54

going to be profiting directly

45:57

rather than by selling to another ad. ad

46:00

network and I'm about

46:02

to pitch you a controversial take

46:06

on this Luke. The

46:09

ad network space, the

46:12

ad network space actually

46:14

needs more competition. Right

46:17

now, it is dominated

46:19

by Google and Facebook and quite

46:21

frankly, PayPal may be one of

46:23

the worst f***ing companies on the

46:25

planet but

46:27

they may be a lesser evil Yeah,

46:34

I really, I really like wish it

46:36

was pretty much anyone other than PayPal.

46:38

Yeah. But I think that

46:40

is a decent take. It's effectively a duopoly right

46:42

now. I just

46:45

I don't I don't see PayPal making

46:47

that space any better. No, I

46:50

really don't. I was kidding. Yeah,

46:55

no, this is just it's just gonna

46:57

turn into more of a piece of s***. Like

46:59

this is not a good thing but look,

47:02

look, look, you gotta let me have some

47:04

fun with this. If we can't laugh at

47:06

the darkest of times, what do we have

47:08

left Luke? You

47:11

know what they should do? They should make it so that PayPal

47:13

already has your payment information. So they should just make

47:15

it so that you to buy the thing in the

47:17

ad, just click on the ad and it just automatically

47:20

does the entire transaction. Oh yeah. Oh

47:22

yeah, bud. You just wait. Click clicks now

47:24

like actually cost you money. You just wait

47:26

and oh what was that buy

47:28

now pay later platform that was in the news recently

47:31

that had a scandal because they were like oh yeah

47:33

we laid off like a ton of our marketing stuff

47:35

and we just use AI for it now. I

47:38

forget what they're called but if PayPal owns

47:40

like a buy now pay later platform

47:42

or something like that then man not

47:44

only could you buy something instantly Luke

47:47

you could finance it. Oh

47:50

yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah.

47:53

Finance that toothpaste. Finance a

47:55

new f-150 simply by clicking an ad.

47:59

Heaven forbid you accidentally click an ad.

48:02

I have accidentally clicked more

48:04

ads than I have intentionally

48:06

clicked by probably several orders

48:08

of magnitude. I don't know

48:10

if I have ever intentionally clicked

48:12

an ad, but I've clicked ads

48:14

hundreds and hundreds, maybe thousands of

48:16

times overall. You're scrolling on

48:18

your phone or whatever. Man,

48:21

you got to imagine, obviously

48:24

legislation's going to come in. That's going to

48:26

make it illegal for them to just one

48:28

click have you just buy

48:30

shit and it arrives at your door. But

48:32

it's going to take a few years. And

48:34

in that few years, the internet's going to

48:36

be one hell of a ride. If

48:41

they could make it so that you

48:43

have to press a confirm button, but

48:46

they can do the amazing thing that

48:48

I love that modern websites are doing,

48:50

where they'll have buttons load before other

48:52

page elements and those page elements will

48:54

move the buttons. So you go

48:56

to try to click on something and then you end up clicking

48:58

on something that loads under it. Beautiful.

49:00

You can just move the confirm button to where the no

49:02

confirm button is. Perfect. Oh

49:05

man. I don't know.

49:07

I mean, look, our D Google your

49:09

life video actually had some really cool

49:11

options that I learned about as we

49:13

were working on that video. Like you

49:15

can buy, you can subscribe to search

49:17

products that you can configure

49:20

your own page ranking and that

49:23

use their own indices and

49:25

that track nothing and target

49:27

nothing. And

49:29

I don't think

49:32

as a member of

49:35

the tech media that I

49:37

would ever switch over to it

49:39

permanently because part of my job

49:42

is to use things the way that

49:44

I expect people to use them. But

49:50

it's tempting dude. It's

49:52

tempting. Like ever since watching

49:54

that video, I have, I have to be

49:57

considering when I get back subscribing to

49:59

a paid search. Because I like Okay,

50:03

would you pay more because you

50:06

have a YouTube premium

50:08

subscription, right? So that

50:10

includes YouTube music Would

50:12

you pay double if they

50:14

just? included chrome

50:17

integrated ad blocking and no

50:21

No, search ads no ads on the

50:23

internet if they basically were like we'll

50:26

eat it We'll pay the advertisers

50:28

that otherwise would have been displayed here

50:31

like here. Okay, man here This would

50:33

be what a wild they pay it

50:35

through. Yes, I would what a wild

50:37

180 This would be if

50:40

they basically created the YouTube

50:42

partner program Okay, if the

50:44

whole manifest v3 thing was

50:46

like a giant 4d chess

50:49

game where they were like,

50:51

okay We're gonna make

50:53

ad blocking impossible because we're gonna build

50:55

our own ad blocking essentially, you

50:57

know, kind of like Kind

50:59

of like brave right where you can view

51:02

the ads and earn crypto tokens or whatever

51:04

Except there are no ads to view there

51:06

are no crypto tokens You just pay for

51:08

Chrome and you just have a completely

51:11

clean internet experience But

51:13

the page providers get paid

51:15

kind of like the YouTube partner

51:17

program So it's like it's

51:19

kind of like somewhere in between it's somewhere

51:22

in between YouTube premium and the partner program

51:24

and brave browser Would you pay

51:26

double for YouTube premium if it included that?

51:31

So it goes up to like 30 bucks a month

51:33

or whatever it would also be really cool if

51:35

they It worked out. Oh

51:39

god, his connections bad, Dan Yeah,

51:42

I'm getting a whole 35 kilobits of second Okay,

51:48

I'm just gonna jump in with what I think

51:50

trying to say have become subscribed to everyone's just

51:52

add me any money Okay. Okay. I'm

51:55

just gonna jump in. I think Luke

51:57

is talking about news providers money

51:59

has been flooding out

52:02

of journalism for the last, I

52:04

mean, realistically 10, 20 years now. And

52:07

if this was a way for internet

52:10

giants like Google to contribute in

52:12

a positive way to rebuilding the

52:15

newsroom, I

52:17

agree with what I think Luke was saying,

52:19

that that would be absolutely incredible.

52:23

I think that was what he was talking about. I'm

52:25

not actually sure. While we wait for him to come

52:28

back, I am going, okay, perfect. Like,

52:30

do I even really need Luke to co-host the show?

52:32

Not really. Hey, speaking of which, I

52:35

think we had a panic after you left last week.

52:38

Probably not. That I

52:41

tried, it was a, oh, it was a merge message. Someone

52:43

sent a merge message for you and I tried to

52:45

answer it. It'd be a lot of funny, a lot

52:47

of funny. It would be a lot of fun if

52:49

we could get that timestamp. Someone

52:52

in the chat maybe, do you guys want to see

52:54

if you can find that timestamp so we could send

52:56

it to Luke and he can watch it and then

52:59

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it's not in the thing. It's not

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in the thing Luke. Gosh

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darn it. Well it's on the store. It's

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one of the banners at least. I

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don't know if... Happy Father's Day, don't screw

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screwdriver. Hey, there you go. We've

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got some... I think it's more of a suggestion.

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Yeah, we've got some Father's Day gift ideas. Oh,

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that's smart. Whoever came up

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with this idea, good job. Oh no, the JerryRig everything knife

56:55

is sold out. Is it though? Oh

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yeah, yeah it is. It's

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funny, I thought I saw some sales for it the other

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day. Well, maybe we're out of

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it again. Cool, alright, see you later. Okay,

57:09

why don't we jump into our

57:11

next topic here. I think I'm

57:13

gonna pick this one since Luke's

57:15

having some audio issues. Microsoft says

57:17

no screenshots at work. Microsoft

57:19

Edge for Business is adding a feature

57:22

that allows IT managers to tag

57:24

web pages as protected, meaning they

57:26

can't be screenshotted in the Edge

57:28

for Business browser. The browser will

57:30

also be rolling out a feature

57:32

that allows IT admins to see

57:34

which devices have Edge instances that

57:36

are out of date and force

57:38

them to restart and install updates.

57:41

Our discussion question here is, they

57:44

know we can take a photo of a screen,

57:46

right? Also,

57:49

didn't they just... I have a... Yeah,

57:51

go ahead. I have a counterpoint

57:53

to this, the photo of the screen thing. I

57:56

don't think this is made for

57:59

workplaces... like ours. I

58:01

think this is made for ultra secure workplaces

58:03

where you might not have a phone on

58:05

you or be able to have a phone

58:07

on you. Okay, alright. I suspect

58:10

this is for like military stuff

58:12

like that. I don't think this

58:14

is for like you know your

58:16

random job. Now

58:19

it's being rolled out to probably everybody

58:21

so yeah a little silly

58:23

in some situations. You're definitely gonna have

58:25

workplaces that are like we

58:28

are very secure and we take

58:30

security seriously and you can't take

58:32

screenshots and edge. It's like man

58:35

I remember when I first learned about

58:37

snapchat. Okay, someone explained snapchat

58:39

to me. I was like sorry what the f*** is

58:41

snapchat? And they're like

58:43

yeah it's like messages but

58:45

they disappear

58:49

after a while and you can't

58:51

screenshot them. And I'm like so

58:53

it's WhatsApp and they're like no

58:55

no it's snapchat. It's snapchat. You

58:58

can't send nudes and people can't

59:00

and I'm sitting here going are

59:03

you an idiot? Like we don't.

59:05

You sure can. You sure can. If

59:10

it shows up on my screen I can decide

59:12

to keep it forever no

59:14

matter what you do. Like

59:16

this is this is absolutely

59:18

ridiculous in most situations. This

59:20

is hilarious. Yeah

59:23

this is a really good point.

59:25

For my work, this is someone

59:27

floatplane chat, we absolutely need to

59:29

be able to take screenshots and

59:31

mark them up and send them

59:33

to people. You're definitely going to

59:35

have a well-intentioned IT department roll

59:37

this thing out based on some

59:39

boomer boss directive and is going

59:41

to cause absolute f***ing

59:44

chaos. Absolute chaos

59:46

within the workplace. Mark my word.

59:49

Most non-technical people don't even

59:51

know about like screenshotting

59:53

or sniffing tools and already

59:55

just use their phones to

59:58

take pictures of screens. Like, who

1:00:00

are you even stopping? Funny

1:00:02

thing, I often take a

1:00:05

picture of my screen because it's

1:00:07

way more convenient to send it

1:00:09

to someone on. I might not be

1:00:11

logged into WhatsApp or Facebook Messenger. I

1:00:14

mean, I have like a dozen different messaging

1:00:16

apps. So depending on who I'm talking to,

1:00:19

it may be extremely inconvenient for me to

1:00:21

get a screenshot from my computer onto my

1:00:23

phone because I haven't done the Android Windows

1:00:25

link thing. And I just, it's

1:00:28

so much easier, once

1:00:30

every three months that I need to do

1:00:32

that, to just take a picture of my

1:00:34

screen. I'm sorry, Luke, I've let you down.

1:00:38

No, I do it on the WAN laptop because

1:00:40

I'm not logged into any of my personal stuff

1:00:42

on that laptop. So sending images off of it

1:00:44

is a huge pain. So I will take a

1:00:47

picture of it and then send it to like

1:00:49

the Infra team or whatever else. So

1:00:51

it happens, there are times where it

1:00:53

is better. It's just, usually

1:00:56

not. And to kind

1:00:59

of counter that point a little bit, it is

1:01:01

set up so that it's specific websites

1:01:05

or so it can be configured

1:01:07

so that only specific websites can't

1:01:09

be screenshotted. So for example, at

1:01:11

NCIX, actually, NCIX is hilarious. At

1:01:14

NCIX, our internal

1:01:16

system was accessed through a

1:01:19

Windows remote desktop connection to

1:01:22

one of many

1:01:24

machines. So everyone had

1:01:26

assigned machines. And

1:01:29

the only browser that we could access that

1:01:31

in was IE, which

1:01:34

it wasn't that long ago. That

1:01:36

was pretty bad already when

1:01:39

I was there. And so this

1:01:41

is the kind of thing that

1:01:43

an organization could try to prevent

1:01:45

screenshots of your inventory or your

1:01:47

sales from being quickly and easily gathered and

1:01:49

leaked to a competitor, for example. With that

1:01:51

said, we all worked in private offices anyway,

1:01:53

and nothing would have prevented us from just

1:01:56

taking pictures of our screen or anything, but hey,

1:01:58

sure. Cool.

1:02:01

Anywho. Your detheter. Yeah.

1:02:06

What else we got today? Umm...

1:02:11

Oh! No! Ooh!

1:02:13

Cheat sellers! Losing court! This is

1:02:15

cool! Cheat mod providers

1:02:17

lost two major decisions

1:02:19

this week. The first suit was

1:02:22

a copyright infringement claim launched by

1:02:24

Bungie three years ago against Phoenix

1:02:26

Digital, the owners of mod selling

1:02:28

site Aim Junkies. While

1:02:31

some of Bungie's claims were settled in arbitration

1:02:33

last year, with Bungie being awarded 4.3 million,

1:02:36

a jury has now decided in Bungie's

1:02:38

favor and awarded them $63,000. That's

1:02:44

not a lot of money. Umm... But

1:02:48

these cases have typically ended in settlements

1:02:50

in the past, and this decision will

1:02:52

likely set a legal precedent for future

1:02:54

cases. In a second case... Yes.

1:02:58

Which is a huge deal. We'll get

1:03:00

to that in the discussion. In a

1:03:02

second case, a judge has sided with

1:03:04

Activision and ordered Cheatmaker Engine Owning to

1:03:06

stop making and selling cheats, to

1:03:09

turn over its website, and

1:03:11

to pay Activision 14.4 million

1:03:15

dollars in damages, as well as

1:03:18

covering their legal

1:03:20

fees. So our discussion question here

1:03:22

is, is it good

1:03:24

that cheat providers are losing in court?

1:03:27

And I think I'll let Luke

1:03:29

handle this one. Yeah,

1:03:33

I think it's super good that cheat developers

1:03:36

and providers are losing in court.

1:03:38

It's honestly

1:03:40

ruining a lot of modern

1:03:42

gaming, especially in the FPS

1:03:44

scene, but it's hitting a

1:03:46

lot of other games as well. It's

1:03:49

never been worse. You get ads

1:03:52

on... I've received ads on YouTube, I received

1:03:54

ads on Twitter, I received ads all over

1:03:56

the place for cheats, and back in the

1:03:59

day... You used to have to be at

1:04:01

least somewhat Like

1:04:03

technically competent to to know how to make

1:04:05

it work And these

1:04:08

days not even sort of Yeah,

1:04:11

it's just you you launch the program. It

1:04:13

runs a GUI on your screen It

1:04:16

is automatically set up to actively protect you

1:04:18

based on you know Screen sharing problems and

1:04:20

things like that So if it detects that

1:04:23

you're streaming or something like that, it'll try

1:04:25

to hide itself like it's it's very conveniently

1:04:27

built because this is a large

1:04:30

industry with a significant customer base at this

1:04:32

point in time and that

1:04:34

needs to be shut down if we want to have Gaming

1:04:38

online be legitimate at all moving forward.

1:04:40

So I think it's actually a very

1:04:43

important and very big deal that this president

1:04:45

has been set and look I don't want

1:04:47

to come across hypocritical because we've made very

1:04:51

similar arguments in the past

1:04:53

that the the difficulty of

1:04:55

doing something is is

1:04:58

not a valid Or

1:05:02

the ease of doing something is not

1:05:04

a valid reason to outlaw it for

1:05:07

example, I made the

1:05:09

argument in our coverage of the flipper zero

1:05:11

that no a Security

1:05:14

a pen testing tool should

1:05:16

not be banned just for

1:05:18

its capability of Making

1:05:21

these kinds of functions available

1:05:23

to a lay person, right?

1:05:27

So what's the difference here is is

1:05:29

probably what you're asking and from my

1:05:31

point of view a pen testing tool

1:05:33

has Legitimate purposes

1:05:36

it has the ability to

1:05:38

be used by gray hat and

1:05:40

white hat People

1:05:43

to achieve better security overall

1:05:46

And so the argument that it is it is

1:05:48

not okay Yes It

1:05:51

is allowing some folks that otherwise

1:05:53

wouldn't have the technical means to

1:05:56

engage in in technological mischief But

1:05:58

it is generally broadening the

1:06:02

understanding, I would say, of the general

1:06:04

public about the threats that are out

1:06:06

there and that were already accessible at

1:06:08

a very, very low price of entry

1:06:10

for people who want to cause trouble,

1:06:13

or for people who are realistically doing

1:06:15

something a lot more nefarious than changing

1:06:17

the numbers on a gas

1:06:20

station sign or unlocking

1:06:24

people's cars is pretty bad. There are definitely

1:06:26

bad things that you can do with not

1:06:28

just the flipper zero, but with these kind

1:06:30

of mainstream hacking tools. But

1:06:33

the difference here is that these

1:06:35

game cheats serve absolutely no purpose

1:06:38

whatsoever other than to degrade the

1:06:40

experience of using this product for

1:06:42

absolutely everyone other than the person

1:06:45

who buys the cheat. It's

1:06:48

pay to win, except it's not even

1:06:51

endorsed by the game developer. It's not

1:06:53

even available to the other player that

1:06:55

wants to play legit. That

1:06:58

to me is the difference between these things,

1:07:00

but Alan asks

1:07:02

in the floatplane chat, do

1:07:04

you even think the court

1:07:06

can make such a nuanced,

1:07:09

okay, this word is not correct, but distinction.

1:07:13

Do they have that capability? Honestly, I don't

1:07:15

know that they do, but generally

1:07:17

I am supportive of

1:07:20

companies that try

1:07:22

to degrade or destroy the

1:07:24

functionality of someone else's product

1:07:28

being penalized for it. But hold

1:07:30

on a second. Okay, we're in

1:07:32

a super gray area here, Luke. What

1:07:35

about a company that's selling Tesla

1:07:37

hats so you can unlock your heated seats

1:07:40

or unlock additional performance or range? They're

1:07:43

not degrading the experience of using the product

1:07:45

for the customer, but they are certainly degrading

1:07:48

Tesla's ability to charge money for

1:07:50

that product. Are

1:07:52

they in the same? Yeah, go ahead. You

1:07:55

are degrading the experience of other people.

1:07:58

Sure, but Tesla's other people. yourself.

1:08:02

They're another company. Yeah, a

1:08:04

corporation is an individual. I

1:08:09

think that's the stupidest thing ever. That's a legal thing.

1:08:11

I don't make the rules. Sure.

1:08:15

We have to consider it. Other users,

1:08:17

I would say. Other users. Sure. Tesla's not

1:08:19

a user. That's true. If you made it

1:08:22

so that by enabling heated seats for you,

1:08:25

the seats of other people in

1:08:27

the lanes around you while you're

1:08:29

driving have to be on active

1:08:31

cooling for some reason, then

1:08:33

yeah, that would be stupid. I wouldn't want that

1:08:35

to be allowed. The issue

1:08:38

is that it significantly

1:08:40

degrades the experience of other

1:08:42

people. In a lot

1:08:45

of situations, these are competitive environments

1:08:47

where people could be potentially pursuing

1:08:49

careers or directly pursuing ranking positions

1:08:52

that could lead them into the

1:08:54

money. Or money. It

1:08:56

could be their livelihood. Actually, a

1:08:59

financial problem. Absolutely. Yes. Karate

1:09:01

Swan asks a great question. Could this

1:09:03

set a precedent that affects the modding

1:09:05

community? I think that by

1:09:08

Luke's definition, where we only

1:09:10

care if it degrades the

1:09:12

experience for other users, no,

1:09:15

it shouldn't affect the modding community, but

1:09:17

can we trust the legal system to

1:09:19

make that distinction? I think

1:09:21

it's very challenging. You would have to have such

1:09:23

a deep knowledge of gaming to tell

1:09:25

the difference between the legality

1:09:27

of a mod that I

1:09:30

don't... Who cares? Let's you

1:09:32

run around as a hyper-sexualized

1:09:34

bunny in a single player

1:09:36

game versus a mod

1:09:38

that allows you... Sure. Versus

1:09:42

a mod that allows you to

1:09:45

change your in-game skin in Fortnite

1:09:47

to some combination of

1:09:50

the default grass building and dirt

1:09:52

textures, essentially turning you

1:09:54

into a camouflaged player

1:09:56

model. What would be the difference

1:09:59

to them? And I

1:10:01

just, I don't think I trust them

1:10:03

to be able to tell the difference.

1:10:05

So it's really hard for me to

1:10:08

take a firm stance on this, even

1:10:10

if I am ultimately happy to see

1:10:12

these game sheet makers

1:10:14

paying some kind of penalty

1:10:16

and to see finally some

1:10:18

kind of crackdown that isn't

1:10:20

just falling on game developers

1:10:22

to try their best to

1:10:24

infect our computers with more,

1:10:26

you know, kernel level software

1:10:28

and rootkits in order to

1:10:33

supposedly prevent cheaters from degrading

1:10:35

the gaming experience. Hold

1:10:39

on a second. Imperator 3733 says,

1:10:42

companies are not people regardless of what a

1:10:44

clueless judge thinks. They're not. I

1:10:47

don't disagree with you. It makes

1:10:50

absolutely no sense. But

1:10:54

it's also, there are

1:10:56

reasons for it, even if they suck.

1:10:59

That's all I kind of have to say about that. Fair

1:11:03

enough. Should

1:11:06

we do the remaining announcements? I

1:11:08

think we've got Dan Week and

1:11:10

remaining charity stream items. Yeah, yeah,

1:11:12

hit me. Or if you want me

1:11:14

to do it. Your audio is okay right now though. We'll

1:11:16

do another game floatplane week and this

1:11:18

time we're highlighting one of the most important

1:11:20

people on the WAN show. That's right. One

1:11:23

and only Dan. Dan Week is upon

1:11:25

us on floatplane and we've got special content going

1:11:27

on such as a video about Dan's new car,

1:11:30

which is like actually really cool. I haven't seen

1:11:32

the video but his car is cool. Answers

1:11:35

to your Dan-centric questions and a rant

1:11:37

about, of all things, a

1:11:40

table. Additionally, we're doing a giveaway

1:11:42

with many items including Green Man

1:11:44

gaming codes, retro and stubby screwdrivers,

1:11:46

LTT store desk pads and 20

1:11:49

bread plushies. Wow. Thanks

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to everyone who subscribed to floatplane. We're excited to bring

1:11:53

you more of Dan. Also

1:11:55

remaining charity stream items. Check out the remaining

1:11:57

products from our charity stream that are still

1:12:00

available. available for purchase at Whatnot. Lmg.gg

1:12:03

slash charity leftovers will bring you

1:12:05

there. We've got some LTT store

1:12:07

items, a PC, a laptop, and

1:12:09

some other PC parts and peripherals

1:12:12

still up for grabs. Hey,

1:12:16

there we go. All right, got the list up there. And

1:12:19

I have some quick updates about the

1:12:21

pens. I believe that

1:12:23

we've sold probably about 1100

1:12:25

to 2000 currently. We

1:12:31

have apparently made 5000. So

1:12:34

unless you want to wait another two months for them, you

1:12:37

should probably buy one tonight. Oh,

1:12:39

I was wondering where you were going with

1:12:41

that because I, yeah. Yeah,

1:12:43

this is just the live audience too. That's

1:12:45

wild. Yeah, no, yeah, I'm getting

1:12:48

some info from Nick as well. But what the

1:12:50

fuck? There's only, hold on a

1:12:52

second. How many people are even watching the show?

1:12:56

Seriously? Hold on, hold on, hold on, no,

1:12:58

no, no, hold on. I've already done 517

1:13:00

merch messages. You're

1:13:04

a unit, Dan, just so you know.

1:13:06

Hell yeah. There's 10,000 people watching on

1:13:08

YouTube, okay? There's probably based on sort

1:13:10

of chat velocity numbers because we don't

1:13:13

have an actual viewer count. But there's

1:13:15

probably somewhere in the neighborhood of a

1:13:17

couple thousand watching on float plane. There's

1:13:19

probably a couple thousand watching on Twitch.

1:13:21

Yeah, there's 2000 watching on Twitch. Lord

1:13:25

only knows how many are watching on Twitter because I think

1:13:27

that number's fake. So there's somewhere between 15

1:13:29

and 20,000 people watching

1:13:31

WAN show. That means one in

1:13:34

20 of you, like

1:13:38

look to your left, look to your

1:13:40

right, there is a one in

1:13:42

10 chance that

1:13:45

one of those people bought a pen. You

1:13:48

guys are wild. Yeah,

1:13:51

I mean, it's a great pen and

1:13:53

it's honestly a good price compared to other

1:13:55

like stainless steel machine, like the beautiful pen.

1:13:58

But you guys are awesome and thank you. so much

1:14:00

for your support you guys sorry we're up to 1500 now

1:14:02

made it go Dan wait

1:14:07

way to sell 300 pens or

1:14:09

whatever that works out to to be fair

1:14:11

you know I talked to Nick a half

1:14:13

hour ago so it's already another 400 and

1:14:15

a half hour so okay

1:14:19

yeah that's wild all right what

1:14:21

else we want to talk about today ah no one

1:14:24

quick question I have for Dan all right

1:14:26

you're seeing the merch messages come through how

1:14:28

many people are buying like multiples

1:14:31

of them I don't think

1:14:33

he's looking at what people are buying lose yeah so if

1:14:35

you wonder you're on fire if you want accurate numbers I

1:14:37

now have 530 merch messages and we sold 654 sorry

1:14:42

531 32 255 that's basically how 56 this is how fast it

1:14:44

comes in 57 this is

1:14:51

how fast I have to you this is you're ruining

1:14:53

my life yeah why are

1:14:55

you talking 59

1:14:57

59 this is ridiculous to every time I refresh

1:14:59

the Shopify 500 people went to the

1:15:09

site since I mentioned this okay

1:15:11

well anyway yeah it's cool pen guys

1:15:13

hey I love you all you

1:15:15

know hey make sure to pick up you know

1:15:17

a t-shirt or something in the meantime we've got

1:15:19

a member clothing products have not been selling as

1:15:21

well but the reviews are so good so if

1:15:23

you guys are you know picking up a pen

1:15:25

hey maybe check out the polo shirt four

1:15:28

and a half stars maybe pick up a button-up shirt

1:15:30

four and a half stars you know we got lots

1:15:32

that man we got we got so much we got

1:15:35

so much clothing you guys what about

1:15:37

the dip dye hoodie look how good it looks okay

1:15:39

we don't have any reviews for that one yet but

1:15:41

it's great the dropout is my personal favorite am

1:15:43

I wearing my dropout today yeah I'm wearing

1:15:45

my dropout today man I love this thing

1:15:47

this is a five star product literally five

1:15:49

stars amazing quality five

1:15:52

star it makes me feel

1:15:54

awful oh that got it at such

1:15:56

a steep discount yeah it's great anyway all right all

1:15:58

right all right bye some clothes What

1:16:00

else we got today? Luke, we'll return in a

1:16:02

minute. Oh, oh, oh. Uh, okay.

1:16:06

Dang it. Well, this was one that I really wanted to

1:16:08

be more of a discussion. Oh. I

1:16:12

was about to have Dan join. No, no, you're busy.

1:16:15

I got stuff to do, sir. I'm on my own. I mean,

1:16:17

I can help him out. No, no, you're good. You're good. You're

1:16:20

good. Do you think? Um, Sony

1:16:22

struggles with the... You know what? No. I

1:16:25

have an idea. I mean, realistically,

1:16:27

he's not doing anything anyway. So... Uh-oh.

1:16:33

Oh, well, that doesn't work. Why do I not? I thought my

1:16:35

phone... I thought all

1:16:37

of my Google contacts automatically joined my

1:16:39

phone contacts, but apparently they

1:16:42

don't. So I have no idea how some

1:16:44

of those people ended up in my contacts list. Okay.

1:16:51

Realistically, this guy's not doing anything important anyway.

1:16:55

Hello? All right. What's

1:16:58

up? What's up, Eli? All

1:17:00

right. We're going to be talking about

1:17:02

$500 skin bundles. And

1:17:05

before we do that, I just am going to kind

1:17:07

of put you on the spot live here. You

1:17:10

know how we talked about, you know, one

1:17:12

of those conversations that I was having with

1:17:14

my kids about stuff that I don't want

1:17:17

to see them doing. And I was all

1:17:19

like, hey, kids, doing that thing. What is

1:17:21

that? And they're like, it's

1:17:23

dumb. Are you comfortable talking about what

1:17:25

we talked about after that conversation with

1:17:27

my kids? I'm asking in very coded

1:17:29

language on purpose here. Are you

1:17:31

wanting me to tell how much I've spent

1:17:33

on skins? No, no. Well,

1:17:36

basically, the conversation we had

1:17:39

about how that can be

1:17:41

bad and stuff, you know, like that whole thing.

1:17:44

Oh. Like, is that something you talked about or? I

1:17:49

remember telling you how much I spent and then you said it

1:17:51

was shameful. Okay. Oh,

1:17:53

I really remember. Okay. Man.

1:17:56

Okay. Mute

1:17:58

me for a second, Dan. me for a second. We're

1:18:11

back. Okay, so Elijah,

1:18:14

one of the things that we chatted about

1:18:16

when you were over for the LAN party

1:18:19

was how for you in-game spending

1:18:22

actually got to the point where it

1:18:24

was a real problem

1:18:26

for you and

1:18:28

you know this is one of those things that

1:18:30

I feel like for me and Luke it's very

1:18:33

easy for us as people who

1:18:35

never got into it to kind of talk

1:18:37

about well just don't buy

1:18:39

the skin right but I think

1:18:41

for someone who falls into alcoholism

1:18:43

for example to hear someone say

1:18:45

well just don't drink the drink

1:18:47

is is actually very very non-constructive

1:18:50

and so as we make

1:18:52

our way into the the

1:18:55

riot news this week about their

1:18:57

their skin bundle you know

1:18:59

why don't you talk a little bit about

1:19:01

what it's like to be the sort of

1:19:03

person that's being targeted by this type of

1:19:06

marketing because we chatted about that a little

1:19:08

bit at the LAN. Yeah

1:19:10

totally so I mean one

1:19:12

thing that I have always struggled

1:19:14

with was mainly the the FOMO and

1:19:16

like loot boxes so you know the

1:19:18

chance of getting something that is is

1:19:20

there you know falling into that gambling

1:19:23

aspect unfortunately I

1:19:25

suffer from being taken advantage of

1:19:27

that and basically having gambling addiction so in

1:19:30

early days when loot boxes were super super

1:19:32

prominent and basically the

1:19:34

first thing you see when you boot up

1:19:36

a game is oh my god

1:19:38

you can get this skin you should

1:19:40

go get it right now it's it's

1:19:43

very tough because you can then boot up a game and maybe

1:19:45

your friends have it or maybe someone

1:19:47

else got it that's in this game and you're like wow that actually

1:19:50

does look really really cool it's

1:19:53

it's a tough feeling to fight because

1:19:55

you know it almost

1:19:57

feels like you have no control because you're just like

1:20:00

Oh man, they're just shoving it in my face. There's

1:20:02

an opportunity, I have to take it. And I don't

1:20:04

wanna miss it. So it can be

1:20:06

really tough. And the game can be a significant

1:20:08

part of your social life. I mean, it's not

1:20:10

like I can't relate to that. In my peak

1:20:13

TF2 Left 4 Dead days, I

1:20:15

literally got up in the morning, ate

1:20:17

food, went to work, ate

1:20:20

some food, worked some more, went

1:20:22

home, grabbed some food, and sat

1:20:24

down at my computer and gamed until it was

1:20:26

time to sleep, rinse and repeat, and do it

1:20:28

again. And so the idea

1:20:31

that this could

1:20:33

be a significant amount of your social

1:20:35

circle is your gaming buddies, and a

1:20:37

significant amount of your social life is

1:20:39

interacting in this game is, I

1:20:42

mean, it's something that we should be able to

1:20:44

relate to even if we haven't really considered it

1:20:46

that way before. So let me run through the

1:20:48

news from this week. League of

1:20:50

Legends developer Riot is selling what it calls,

1:20:53

this is great, some of our

1:20:56

most generous bundles to date. I'm

1:20:59

gonna stop there for a moment. Elijah,

1:21:01

how do you feel about a game

1:21:03

developer describing a skin bundle as generous?

1:21:07

I would say they're pretty humble. Perfect.

1:21:10

This is despite the fact that the cheapest

1:21:12

of these bundles is $50 and

1:21:15

the most expensive is $500. The

1:21:20

$500 bundle features cosmetic skins for the

1:21:23

playable character, Ari, leading

1:21:25

many players to argue for boycotting the

1:21:27

character. As ranked league matches allow

1:21:29

each team to vote on a small number of characters

1:21:32

who can't be played in the next match, boycotting

1:21:34

players could eventually potentially even

1:21:37

block others from playing Ari.

1:21:39

Some players, however, still appear to be

1:21:42

buying these egregiously expensive limited time offers.

1:21:44

At least one third party seller of

1:21:46

in-game currency claims that some of his

1:21:49

customers took out small loans

1:21:51

in order to do so, saying, can

1:21:53

you guys stop taking out loans to buy

1:21:56

the Ari skin? I don't wanna put you

1:21:58

in debt. Legit every second or... order is

1:22:00

with a loan agreement. So

1:22:04

can you talk a little bit about

1:22:07

how that feels? It

1:22:11

doesn't shock me that people are buying it. And

1:22:14

I think that's kind of, I remember one of my

1:22:16

first WAN shows when I was typing in chat, you

1:22:19

were blown away when I mentioned that a

1:22:21

CSGO skin sold for six figures. You

1:22:24

know, it's one of those things that becomes a flex

1:22:26

status symbol. It's the same reason that Supreme

1:22:29

clothing can charge prices. Gucci

1:22:31

can charge their prices. Even if they are good

1:22:34

quality, you're paying the artist for their work of

1:22:36

what they've done. It's a flex

1:22:38

status at that point. Oh

1:22:41

man, I got to

1:22:44

confess, I still have a hard

1:22:46

time wrapping my brain around that.

1:22:48

That's still something that's

1:22:50

very difficult for me to

1:22:53

fathom. When I was in school,

1:22:56

I wasn't cool. I

1:22:58

didn't have status symbols. My

1:23:01

RCA Lira MP3 player did not

1:23:03

get me chicks. The

1:23:08

cool kids had mini discs. So

1:23:14

I don't know, as someone who maybe part

1:23:16

of it is that I have never reaped

1:23:18

the social benefit of flexing.

1:23:24

And so maybe that's something that, and

1:23:26

guys, let me know if I'm kind of

1:23:29

onto something here, but is that

1:23:31

something that can get you kind of addicted to

1:23:33

that dopamine hit of people being like, whoa, man,

1:23:35

cool jacket or cool product? Is

1:23:42

that part of the experience? I

1:23:45

think part of it can definitely be related to

1:23:47

that. I think this $500 skin

1:23:50

is definitely going to be pushing that

1:23:52

outer limits of people being like, damn,

1:23:54

you're kind of an idiot potentially because

1:23:56

you spent $500, but there's also

1:23:58

going to be that group of sort. that's like, wow,

1:24:01

that guy must really like this game, or he plays

1:24:03

this game a lot, or whatever it

1:24:05

may be, because they have that

1:24:07

skin. And yeah, like you said earlier, social

1:24:09

circle, right? If you're part of a group

1:24:11

of friends that only plays League, and

1:24:13

you want to be the guy that has the $500 skin,

1:24:18

it's a status symbol. But wouldn't

1:24:20

the status symbol be, like, I'm

1:24:22

baller enough that I don't have

1:24:24

to, like,

1:24:29

I don't have to dress up, I don't

1:24:31

have to cosplay as a League player, I

1:24:34

can just rock vanilla and

1:24:36

beat you and embarrass you? Like, 100

1:24:39

in the world then. Like, that's

1:24:41

the kind of thing, you know? No one cares

1:24:43

about numbers, thousand to 10,000, they

1:24:45

only care about the top thousand. So,

1:24:48

you know, if you can't

1:24:50

make it there, your next chance is to look

1:24:52

cool, and look like you belong. Oh.

1:24:57

Oh my God. Chase is in

1:24:59

the chat now. Good Lord, did you

1:25:01

see this? Valve apparently

1:25:03

lets them rent CS2 skins,

1:25:06

so you can try them out,

1:25:10

and then decide if you want to buy

1:25:12

or keep renting them? Are

1:25:14

you f***ing kidding me? It's

1:25:18

a thing where people will buy a skin,

1:25:20

put it on a gun, and get upset,

1:25:22

because it doesn't look as good as it

1:25:24

does in the shop. Woo, what does that

1:25:26

even mean? It was digital in both places.

1:25:29

No, no, okay, but like, when it's in your

1:25:31

hand, and like, you're in first person perspective seeing

1:25:34

it, and how it

1:25:36

glints off like, maps and lighting, if it

1:25:38

interacts with the environment, if the shadows, if

1:25:40

the light, dude, I can see

1:25:42

your reaction, looking at the camera right now,

1:25:44

I get it, your dumbfounded by this. It's

1:25:46

like, I get it. You know why

1:25:49

they call it dumbfounded? Because I

1:25:51

found dumb. I

1:25:53

found it. I'm not even

1:25:55

gonna ding that, that's just clever. Thanks,

1:25:57

Dan. It's crazy. I

1:26:00

totally uh Yeah,

1:26:03

but I totally see why renting would

1:26:05

be a thing because if you're not sure how it's gonna

1:26:07

look on your favorite map or In your game, why

1:26:09

would you spend the $500? Oh my god $10 just look who it is in floatplane chat. It's like

1:26:16

$100 a month you get every

1:26:18

skin new idea. You're welcome. EA.

1:26:20

I'm gonna mention all a rental

1:26:23

Okay, so it's I love it. It's

1:26:25

skin Service Let's fucking

1:26:27

go. I love that. I hate this timeline

1:26:29

idea. Can we can we get a patent

1:26:32

on that really quick? Oh

1:26:34

my god, Sony's already have got it Elijah.

1:26:37

I would rather not make the money Then

1:26:40

oh, I mean, I guess we could patent

1:26:42

it. So no one does it That's

1:26:44

what I'm saying. I see. Okay in

1:26:47

charge anymore. Karen if Karen asks you

1:26:49

to do this You

1:26:51

know, we kind of have to now I don't know

1:26:53

if I'm gonna sign the check mass I

1:26:55

don't know if I want any part of any of

1:26:57

this. We could sell new colors for the LTT store

1:27:02

Oh float skins, I like that idea

1:27:04

Yeah are shatters specific colors for their

1:27:06

username and they can rent it or

1:27:09

like you could have dark mode or

1:27:11

like puce People

1:27:13

they already pay a subscription, but

1:27:15

we could they could pay us more. Why do we want to

1:27:17

nickel and dime people? We were there

1:27:20

a trap. Why does fortnight do it? Why does valor

1:27:22

into it? profitable Yes,

1:27:25

think of the opportunity I mean look

1:27:27

I got I gotta tell you like

1:27:29

back when we were looking at development

1:27:32

of our own VPN It's not like

1:27:34

we didn't recognize that digital products are

1:27:36

are so scalable can be so profitable I

1:27:39

mean if we could come up with more

1:27:41

digital products, I mean look at flow plane

1:27:43

We have almost 35 thousand paying subscribers

1:27:45

on flow plane That is a that is

1:27:47

a pretty chunk of change and we're so

1:27:49

Appreciative of you guys for supporting us like

1:27:51

this that we actually go and spend a

1:27:53

lot of money on you know Making sure

1:27:55

we're creating exclusive content and all of that

1:27:58

stuff and it's it's great, right? It's

1:28:00

win-win because we can build out a team that

1:28:02

is able to have a good job here at

1:28:04

Linus Media Group And you guys are getting all

1:28:06

this great behind-the-scenes content all that good stuff but

1:28:09

like I don't know we've had

1:28:11

these conversations internally that I'm like yeah, but Should

1:28:14

we just be creating a digital product for

1:28:17

the sake of having a digital product

1:28:19

because it's just profitable I

1:28:21

don't know I I want to do that. No,

1:28:24

we don't I mean okay. We did yes a the

1:28:27

potato, okay? Yes Okay, I thought we

1:28:29

did this didn't we but that was

1:28:31

a joke People

1:28:34

took it. It was an obscenely profitable

1:28:36

joke I think we sold like 800

1:28:39

potatoes and they weren't even real NFTs.

1:28:41

They were just pings or JPEGs or

1:28:43

something No,

1:28:46

no they knew we said it was I Yeah,

1:28:50

we were totally upfront about it that the whole

1:28:52

thing was nonsense Do any

1:28:54

of y'all still have your potato by the

1:28:56

way did anyone anyone in chat by a potato?

1:28:59

Imagine if you deleted the PNG and it's just

1:29:01

gone. You just lost it. Yeah. Yeah, what a

1:29:03

shame Coming

1:29:07

back like do you need a camera

1:29:09

cuz my like my audio is garbage

1:29:11

so like I don't

1:29:13

know Is it hey Dan is Luke planning to come back?

1:29:15

Yeah, it's right here. Oh, okay. Yeah,

1:29:17

we're apparently ready to come back. Okay? All right

1:29:20

cool Okay, see you later Elijah.

1:29:22

Okay? Bye, buddy. Thanks for filling

1:29:24

in. Okay. Bye Yeah,

1:29:26

really really cool different perspective and the timing

1:29:28

was pretty good to bring him in just

1:29:30

because I think that Luke and

1:29:32

I as outsiders can

1:29:35

be a little judgey about that

1:29:37

kind of stuff and and that's

1:29:40

probably Unfair because we know that

1:29:42

these companies are engaging in psychological

1:29:45

manipulation and so I think

1:29:47

just being dismissive of People's

1:29:50

susceptibility to it is Honestly,

1:29:53

just kind of non-constructive. So I think about

1:29:55

it was pretty cool to have Elijah come

1:29:57

in and give us an alternate perspective on

1:29:59

that Luke, did you have any thoughts

1:30:01

you wanted to share on the $500 skin bundle or do you want

1:30:04

to move on to... Oh,

1:30:07

this is a good one. Social media

1:30:09

children are finally fighting

1:30:12

back as adults. Something

1:30:14

I called like almost

1:30:16

10 flipping years ago. Yeah,

1:30:21

I think on the $500 skin bundle, like if

1:30:23

it doesn't make you better at the game, if

1:30:25

it's not a skin that makes you camouflage in

1:30:28

with the background or something like that, I

1:30:31

don't think that people should buy it, but it's

1:30:33

a free game. So I don't really care. They

1:30:35

need to make money somehow. And if someone's going

1:30:37

to buy this, cool,

1:30:39

I guess. But based on how many people...

1:30:42

Dude, but based on how many people

1:30:45

are taking out loans to buy it? I

1:30:47

mean, isn't that just sad? Doesn't that just

1:30:49

tell you? Like what

1:30:51

they're... They know what they're doing. You've

1:30:53

got to know what they're doing, right? Like

1:30:57

at what point do you have to kind of

1:30:59

go, okay, look, you're working at

1:31:01

a tobacco company. You're complicit.

1:31:04

You know what you're doing. Yeah,

1:31:08

I think there's... I think for some

1:31:10

people though, that $500 skin

1:31:12

bundle isn't going to be

1:31:15

bad and smoking tobacco is bad for

1:31:17

everyone. I'm like, look, I get

1:31:19

that not everybody's in a position to be

1:31:21

able to make a moral judgment about the job

1:31:24

they have to do to put food on their

1:31:26

table. I get it. No

1:31:28

judgment here. But I do

1:31:31

feel like at least at the executive level,

1:31:33

they've got to know who they are making

1:31:35

these things for. I mean, Luke, you've talked

1:31:37

about this before, where there are games where

1:31:39

they go into their analytics with enough granularity

1:31:41

that there are specific users that

1:31:43

they will craft an item for and

1:31:46

market it too heavily because they know they're going to

1:31:48

buy it. It's nasty.

1:31:51

Yeah. Yeah,

1:31:53

absolutely. Yeah, I don't like

1:31:55

it, but

1:31:58

I don't know. I don't know. feel super

1:32:00

strongly about it just because I think my stance

1:32:02

on this is just like obviously

1:32:04

don't buy it. But

1:32:09

I don't know. What was the

1:32:11

next topic? Next topic is

1:32:13

now that the first big

1:32:15

wave of social media babies

1:32:17

are hitting adulthood, some of

1:32:19

them are now advocating for

1:32:21

protecting children from their parents

1:32:23

online oversharing. Two notable advocates

1:32:25

are Cam Barrett and Chris

1:32:30

McCarty, who have been testifying to

1:32:32

lawmakers in multiple states asking them

1:32:34

to regulate family vlogging and ensure

1:32:37

that children are protected and to

1:32:39

some degree compensated for their labor.

1:32:41

They are working. They are generating

1:32:44

revenue. This is not the same

1:32:46

as household chores and I have

1:32:48

had some stupid f***ing conversations about

1:32:51

this where like I just

1:32:53

about made my brain rot from the inside

1:32:55

out. People basically going, yeah, until they're 18,

1:32:57

they're my kids and if I tell them

1:32:59

to do something, they got to do. No,

1:33:02

no, child labor is not something that you

1:33:04

have the right to have your kids do

1:33:06

and if they are working on a commercial

1:33:08

endeavor, they are child laborers

1:33:10

and there are very strict regulations

1:33:12

around it even in industries

1:33:14

where children are allowed to

1:33:18

work like the entertainment industry. 25-year-old

1:33:20

Cam Barrett claims that she was

1:33:22

traumatized by her mother's extreme oversharing,

1:33:24

which included everything from childhood tantrums

1:33:26

to personal medical information. In particular,

1:33:28

Barrett was humiliated by her mother's

1:33:30

decision to post publicly about her

1:33:32

first menstrual cycle when she was

1:33:34

only nine years old. These

1:33:37

posts led to celebrity attention and

1:33:39

perks like front row concert tickets

1:33:41

but also fed ammunition to bullies

1:33:43

who used the information to ridicule her.

1:33:46

She claims to have started hiding in her

1:33:48

room to avoid being on camera and that

1:33:50

she felt she couldn't confide in adults for

1:33:52

fear of her secrets being exposed on social

1:33:54

media. Meanwhile, 19-year-old Chris

1:33:56

McCarty is a founding member of

1:33:58

Quit Clicking Kids. And he

1:34:01

has noted that family vlogging can be in

1:34:03

some ways worse than child acting, as these

1:34:05

children wind up living in houses that feel

1:34:07

like sets, with parents who feel like they're

1:34:09

bosses, and it's unclear when they finally get

1:34:11

to stop performing. McCarty likewise says

1:34:14

these parents are often failing to empathize with

1:34:16

their children, and not considering how they would

1:34:18

feel if they had the most intimate moments

1:34:20

of their lives monetized. Young

1:34:23

people are likewise increasingly criticizing the practice

1:34:25

of family vlogging on social media. It's

1:34:28

about f***ing time. I called this so

1:34:30

long ago, and yes, my kids

1:34:32

do appear in our videos from time to time. What

1:34:35

the f*** do you know about them? I

1:34:42

know a few things. Sorry, there's a butterfly. Well, yeah,

1:34:44

you do. You're a family friend.

1:34:46

It's different. And

1:34:49

we compensate them. Yeah. Like, I

1:34:51

was an extra on the X-Files. I don't know if I've talked about this. I

1:34:54

was an extra on the X-Files when I was a kid. I've

1:34:58

never actually seen the episode, but...

1:35:07

But I'm not bothered by that, because all

1:35:09

I did was appear on camera. My

1:35:11

dad gave me the money. I

1:35:13

mean, it was my money, right? But he made

1:35:15

sure that I got it. His

1:35:18

rule for it was that we both

1:35:20

made money. We were both extras. It

1:35:23

was like a couple hundred dollars or something

1:35:25

like that. And

1:35:28

he was like, hey, we should do something

1:35:30

together with it. He

1:35:33

didn't really give it to me, give it to me. But

1:35:35

we went and we ate at

1:35:38

La Belau Bèreche, which was a fancy French

1:35:40

restaurant in Ladner when I was a kid.

1:35:42

It's not there anymore. And we went

1:35:45

and we tried it, because we would walk past it all the time.

1:35:47

And it was one of those places that was like a hundred plus

1:35:49

dollars a plate. And that was back in the 90s. So

1:35:52

this was a very fancy, fancy

1:35:54

restaurant. And

1:35:57

so, yeah, I was in this thing, but... intimate

1:36:00

secrets were not spilled out online, we

1:36:02

turned it into an opportunity to do something together

1:36:05

as a family. No harm, no

1:36:07

foul, but that's not

1:36:09

what these families are

1:36:12

doing. It's absolutely wild. I think

1:36:15

there's also a huge difference between happening

1:36:19

to appear in, you know,

1:36:21

one video every once in a blue moon and

1:36:23

being compensated for that compared

1:36:26

to having content made about

1:36:28

you, including as you previously

1:36:30

mentioned, pretty intimate parts

1:36:32

of your life like first menstrual cycle, stuff

1:36:35

like that, like that being on YouTube for

1:36:37

all your peers to see is ridiculous and not

1:36:39

okay. Yeah,

1:36:42

brutal. Sony seems to

1:36:44

be struggling with the concept of multi-platform support.

1:36:46

Oh wait, wait, wait, hold on. I want

1:36:48

to finish by making my prediction again. The

1:36:51

only way that this

1:36:53

is ever going to change, the

1:36:55

family vlogging exploitation of children is

1:36:58

when one of these kids reaches the legal age

1:37:00

and soothes the f*** out of their parents. And

1:37:03

it's basically like, hey, you guys made

1:37:05

by my rough calculations with

1:37:07

data that is easily

1:37:09

available online, you know, eight

1:37:11

million dollars over the course of my

1:37:13

entire childhood. I

1:37:16

am one of the three principal

1:37:18

talents on this channel. I

1:37:21

would like my 2.7 million dollars or whatever

1:37:24

it works

1:37:27

out to. You can send it through my lawyer. That

1:37:30

is the only way that this is going to change

1:37:32

if one of these guys takes it to

1:37:34

court and wins it. Otherwise,

1:37:37

it's just going to be the thing. Okay,

1:37:40

Sony seems to be struggling with

1:37:42

the concept of multi-platform support. According

1:37:44

to records from the Korean Ministry of

1:37:46

Sciences Testing and Certification Center, Sony has

1:37:49

developed a PC adapter for PSVR2 showing

1:37:51

that they've made significant progress on their

1:37:53

promise to add PC support sometime this

1:37:56

year. This would likely bolster sales

1:37:58

for the PSVR2, which was... is

1:38:00

reportedly experiencing a major backlog of unsold

1:38:02

devices. Pretty cool device, got an OLED

1:38:05

display, it's pretty darn comfortable.

1:38:07

It's, yeah,

1:38:10

I think something that would do okay. It'd

1:38:15

be pretty competitive for the price.

1:38:17

I think I would find a

1:38:19

PSVR2 pretty darn attractive as a

1:38:21

gaming headset. Meanwhile, PlayStation's

1:38:24

new co-CEO Hermann Holst insisted at

1:38:26

Sony's business segment meeting on Thursday

1:38:28

that PC gamers will want to

1:38:30

buy a PS5 in order to

1:38:32

play their upcoming exclusive sequels like

1:38:34

Spider-Man 2 and God of War

1:38:36

Ragnarok after playing earlier entries in

1:38:38

those series recently released for PC.

1:38:40

And our discussion here is, as

1:38:43

a PC gamer, would you be

1:38:45

tempted to play Horizon

1:38:47

Zero Dawn, for example, on PC, and

1:38:49

then run out and get Horizon... shoot,

1:38:51

see, as

1:38:54

a PC gamer, I can't even remember what the second one

1:38:56

was called, because I played Zero Dawn, and then I was

1:38:58

like, oh, there's a sequel? Oh, it's not on PC. I

1:39:00

guess I'll just not play it, but I tend

1:39:02

to... I take

1:39:04

a pretty different approach to my gaming backlog

1:39:07

where I'm just like, oh, well, realistically, I

1:39:09

haven't gotten to participate in a cultural moment

1:39:11

like Helldivers 2

1:39:14

or what was that Pokemon with guns

1:39:16

game, Palworld or, you know, whatever else.

1:39:18

I don't get to participate in these

1:39:20

cultural moments anyway, so screw it. If

1:39:23

it actually has staying power, then I'll play

1:39:25

it later. But would

1:39:27

you be tempted to run out and buy a PS5 in order

1:39:29

to play a sequel? I

1:39:32

could see that being a thing. I

1:39:35

honestly could absolutely see that being a thing. I think

1:39:37

a lot of people play

1:39:40

games more than they play systems, if

1:39:42

that makes sense. Now, the economic environment

1:39:44

that we're in and the cost of

1:39:46

modern consoles might put a stop to

1:39:48

that. I think

1:39:50

it used to be a little bit more approachable to get into

1:39:52

a console. But if it

1:39:54

was like... if it was kind of time

1:39:57

to upgrade your computer anyways and

1:39:59

your favorite... game was the

1:40:02

game that you're playing now and the next version

1:40:04

of it is just on the console. I could

1:40:06

see that happening but I think

1:40:09

that's going to happen significantly less than

1:40:11

Sony thinks and I think they would

1:40:13

drive a lot more overall revenue just

1:40:15

releasing the darn games on PC. I don't

1:40:17

know man. A lot of people because... Go

1:40:21

ahead.

1:40:24

You always have that experience or at

1:40:26

least this happened when I was younger

1:40:28

where people would come over to a

1:40:30

friend's house and see Halo for the

1:40:32

first time and then be switched over

1:40:34

to Xbox houses or whatever else. Individual

1:40:36

games can swing people. Absolutely. And

1:40:38

a lot of people in chat are talking about it. I don't know what's

1:40:40

going to happen. A lot of people in chat

1:40:43

are like, yeah, I'd be tempted. Totally a thing.

1:40:45

But can I propose... Man, I don't know

1:40:47

why so many... I was reading this article a little while

1:40:49

ago. I might have even talked about this on my show

1:40:51

before but it was about every once in

1:40:53

a while luxury

1:40:55

goods articles get said

1:40:57

to me like the state of the

1:40:59

luxury goods market and particularly like... What

1:41:03

is it? South China Morning Post or

1:41:05

whatever. I'll particularly get articles from them.

1:41:08

This was more before they went paywalled and

1:41:10

I would actually read articles there now. I just

1:41:12

am like, okay, paywall. I forgot about that and then I navigate

1:41:14

away so I don't really get them anymore. But

1:41:16

one of the things that they would talk about a lot

1:41:19

is they would kind of keep tabs on the state of

1:41:21

the luxury goods market in Southeast Asia and China, overseas.

1:41:24

I remember reading about how

1:41:26

there's this trend. There's

1:41:30

this trend toward more secondhand

1:41:32

luxury goods and the incredible value

1:41:34

that you can get by buying

1:41:37

and selling the things that you

1:41:39

bought for so much money and

1:41:41

getting back some of the money for it and then

1:41:43

you can buy something else with that. By

1:41:45

saving money, by buying secondhand, it's the

1:41:49

idea of a thrift

1:41:51

store as a new fucking idea or something. But

1:41:55

I don't know what it is

1:41:57

about people because I don't think it's... just

1:42:00

the younger generation. That was what the article is

1:42:02

about. It's like the younger generation comes up with

1:42:04

the idea of buying and selling secondhand. No, you

1:42:06

didn't. But

1:42:09

basically, I don't understand why so many people are allergic

1:42:11

to that. If a game comes out

1:42:13

that you really want to play, go

1:42:15

pick up a secondhand PlayStation 5 on

1:42:18

Facebook Marketplace. Okay, so that's like, let's do

1:42:20

the numbers, right? So that's, it's probably going

1:42:22

to be like 100 bucks off or whatever.

1:42:24

So that's 350 bucks out of your pocket.

1:42:26

Let's say, I don't know the actual numbers,

1:42:28

it doesn't matter, but that's 300 bucks out

1:42:30

of your pocket. Okay, you go buy the

1:42:32

game, right? So that's 70 bucks

1:42:34

or 80 or whatever it works out to for modern

1:42:37

game these days. I don't know, I'm in Canada, so

1:42:39

I don't even know what US games cost. So you

1:42:41

go buy your $70 game or whatever. So

1:42:43

you are $420 out of your pocket. Okay,

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so you play your game, right? Realistically, it's

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probably got, you know, what, 25

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to 75 hours of gameplay. So

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you can probably get that done in, let's

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say, a month, right? I'd say that's pretty

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reasonable for a game that was so compelling,

1:43:02

right, for you that you went out and

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you bought a several hundred dollar console just

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to play it. Okay. How

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the console? It's been a month.

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How much you think the value has actually changed,

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right? Compared to buying a new one, the value

1:43:16

of a secondhand one, realistically hasn't

1:43:18

changed that much. You can probably get

1:43:21

what you paid and if you're patient,

1:43:23

you can probably buy for lower and

1:43:25

sell for higher and then

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sell the game. Do you really need it?

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I've, I've, you will be out

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of pocket scenarios before too. You'll be out of

1:43:34

pocket probably 25 bucks and

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it costs you overall less than the total cost

1:43:40

of the game. It's no big deal. I used

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to do it all the time. Another thing too

1:43:44

is if, if you buy one that happens to

1:43:46

be like a little bit dirty or a little

1:43:48

bit scuffed up, you can try to

1:43:50

not, I wouldn't say

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