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Is the last photograph. Been

0:44

revolutionary Cable for live. A

0:48

very famous photograph. Probably

0:51

familiar must we were watching us. This.

0:53

Man. Standing. Right there is

0:55

not familiar to most people watching that he should

0:57

be he's about to be. His name is Felix

0:59

Rodriguez. Is. A long time see officer

1:01

on their. Operations. Director it and

1:04

I'm in. He joins us now explain this picture

1:06

and to tell us about as like Rodrigues. Thank

1:08

you very much pleasure to be here So it's

1:10

from it's remarkable picture. No longer I look at

1:12

it the more I think that. Can

1:15

you. Tell. Us where this was and what

1:17

was happening. While there was

1:19

so a leg a bolivia those where

1:22

he was capture. And. I

1:24

a gaming the helicopter we the corner in

1:26

charge of the operation. And.

1:28

After a while ago the dog for him. And

1:31

I even thought about taking the picture. but while I

1:33

was talking to him the pile of the helicopter game

1:35

was a calmer from the head of rebellion for one

1:37

or a picture was shape. For. I as

1:39

a commander, do you mind say no? So we

1:41

took him out of the schoolhouse. I gave my

1:43

camera to the pilot and he took that picture.

1:47

What? Should we see you talk to who have

1:49

our one. Yes, Of course, What?

1:51

What? What the circumstance, he been captured by

1:53

Bolivian soldiers as I guess. Is.

1:56

Factually they thought that he have

1:58

been killing Africa but the the

2:00

when they captured the bray and

2:02

boost of was said a friendship

2:04

intellectual and thing as a newspaper

2:06

guy from Argentina they concerned the

2:08

sake of our i was there.

2:11

So. As long as they did and understood

2:13

the he was there they sing a special

2:15

forces unit from Panama the drain has special

2:18

battalion add to operate against him because he

2:20

believed in the have an experience and then

2:22

they send a couple of us from the

2:24

Cia to providing was intelligence and the reason

2:26

they say nausea because we were not us

2:28

citizen. At. The time Vietnam was

2:30

taking place and they were people coming

2:33

back and blasted back from Vietnam and

2:35

even one in the american coming back

2:37

in plastic bag from not letting america

2:39

did are we were not even or

2:41

of residents were no citizen so we

2:43

didn't fall into the restrictions on bus

2:45

or henderson that's why where I would

2:47

rather. See. You're working for

2:49

the Cia full time. obviously carrying a weapon

2:51

obviously but not you are says. Yes,

2:54

What? Was. Say. Like.

2:57

That day. Why? First getting

2:59

a lot of people ask me you know what I

3:01

thought about share share The time was no by. She.

3:03

Became a senior after he was dead. Q

3:06

are making their fear yes after was to

3:08

war even though they were the one who

3:10

sent him to be kill. Of

3:12

Fidel could not stand him there because

3:14

see they'll depended on the Soviet union

3:16

sick of our with bro chinese. So.

3:19

When he was in Africa. Nineteen sixty

3:21

five sixty four Ah all the web

3:23

on he received with a red china.

3:26

Ah, Dang he the and want to go back

3:28

to Beulah. He went to higher end in the Czech

3:30

republic and they had to send people to convince

3:32

him to a bug the pew and to give him

3:34

an opportune doing another place but we will send

3:36

to believe he was definitely mine for him to be

3:39

cool. Because. The Soviet didn't want

3:41

him to be any successful because they. Knew

3:43

that she was broached. I nice and easy

3:45

to a revolution in there would do to

3:48

order Chinese and dandy chinese and the Soviet

3:50

hated show the very much so he was

3:52

sent to believe yeah he's drunk made it

3:54

was not even working. In

3:56

December of sixty six when they had a

3:58

dinner was mighty among the head of the

4:00

communists bar Bolivia who have been with Fidel

4:02

two months before complete a camping brokers he

4:04

told the bolivians up garuda were was shaking

4:06

if they if they we say they were

4:09

expelled from the communist party. And

4:11

then they had a officer intelligence that they

4:13

have same to lot bias or enamel David

4:15

to help him and as soon as he

4:18

was saying was all seventeen people they took

4:20

him out of the odd picture until say

4:22

that they had that email because he's v

4:24

sad expire and actually he was a bully

4:26

on status on by then they will difference

4:28

in there to begin with you have because

4:30

he can also see because it would be

4:32

a revolution that would be brought chinese and

4:34

you will depend on the Soviet Union. So.

4:37

He's He's obviously he's a prisoner

4:40

in this picture. Does.

4:43

He know when this was taken and he's about to

4:45

die. None of that time. Not

4:48

so. What happened in the moments after

4:50

this picture? While.

4:52

And in the sequence first they were when

4:54

we arrive with the helicopter on the following

4:56

day which is nice of October and Monday

4:59

or we came to his room with the

5:01

officers and he will not talk to anybody.

5:04

And. Corner was ranked interrogating him to go he the

5:06

and say anyone to the point the guys I

5:08

looked through invaded my content he leaves you can

5:10

have the courtesy of answer me he and say

5:12

work. So. when we finish.like

5:14

him are they as all his documentation to

5:17

photograph of from my gorman and the corner

5:19

order his bag be given to me and

5:21

he had some chinese code book to have

5:23

some the picture of his family so many

5:26

com and for his as my side and

5:28

he added diary is a German a book

5:30

was reading as funny as his diary they

5:33

photograph all of that ah day while I

5:35

was there the game and news the dead

5:37

picks, telephone call or the get us. I

5:40

was the I have ranking officer so

5:42

the the worst definitely order to execute

5:45

him. We got a very simple code:

5:47

Five hundred shares, six hundred of kill

5:49

him, seven hundred keeping him alive. So.

5:52

Game Five hundred six hundred with the Colonel's and

5:54

dental came out idle hands. I love this or

5:57

different. your high bullying and co month really mean

5:59

a prisoner. The. Order from my gourmand tried to

6:01

keep him alive at all costs are we have

6:03

helicopters out the. thinking. To Panama front

6:05

are lazy. To. A look

6:07

at me and say Felix Salmon A was

6:09

Felix Ramos is said there are we have

6:11

you be very hateful towards be helpful to

6:13

us for these order from my president and

6:15

logos watch on his said the helicopters going

6:17

to com several times bringing food and ammunition

6:20

that yeah we're will now will lead but

6:22

after do a blog is want to come

6:24

up and become sick of auto dead body.

6:26

You. Gonna use this year him anywhere you want

6:28

because we know how much harm. He. Had

6:30

done to your country. So. I semi

6:32

korea tried to my the change their mind but

6:34

is a not changed mine I give you my

6:36

were of honor I would bring you did but

6:38

your say toy with brazen he left. And

6:41

sure enough the helicopter game several dine does

6:43

when the mayor came as for up or

6:45

a picture with the prisoner danced I waiting

6:47

on see will happen And then there was

6:50

a there's a schoolteacher okay to me ah

6:52

I'm on said Sigma You want to kill

6:54

him. So. Would you say dice and

6:56

love Whistle.zola you to the big you he house

6:58

I and of the radius already given the

7:00

news today that point I knew was was nothing

7:03

else to be done. A So

7:05

I got into a room I stood in frosty and

7:07

say come on and sorry I try my best. Hitter:

7:10

White like a piece of paper and he said

7:12

there is better days which will never been got

7:14

your life So you'd told chegg of our he

7:16

was about to be killed as. The.

7:18

Away the ways they say i'm sorry I try

7:20

my best. I understood what I was saying. Ah,

7:23

Dang it to his Bible sally do this by to

7:25

a solo the the with rid me well and at

7:27

times million to as are you there and who he

7:29

knew was he likes of you in the in the

7:31

life prisoner burst into ruin your gear up the dumbing

7:33

up or down I want a pipe and just say

7:36

no I won't give a D Athena below it so

7:38

I order him three time to leave the room where

7:40

he data look at Chelsea with would you give it

7:42

to me. Is. Jackson see many o sea

7:44

of the she did on the I would give it to

7:46

use. I put my fight here I says anyone anything you

7:48

want for your family. Thing. I would

7:51

say in his or Castaway say well if you

7:53

can't tell Fidel he was some see a three

7:55

on for Revolution America. Things. Changes

7:57

pressure saying you can't tell my wife.

8:00

Remarry and try to be happy. That.

8:02

Was he loves war? He approached me. I

8:04

wish you hadn't, We embrace. He.

8:07

Was a very of a strange

8:09

a unique moment my lai because

8:11

we never order prefer to be

8:13

executed. At a time and thought

8:15

about according the telephone lie and telling the

8:17

pilot the my girl was able to convince

8:19

them to bring share life I remember will

8:21

happen when but data released Fidel Castro and

8:23

will have to my country. So. I

8:26

don't myself. Love this is not the or

8:28

ward your he advised not to go. Man

8:30

this is the Bolivian decision so let's east

8:32

river on itself. So I let ago the

8:34

way was and that was the only. What?

8:36

Happened to change that. Point Well,

8:38

After we embrace a was was later say

8:41

various race moment for me because he was

8:43

my enemy of the same time i i

8:45

feel sorry for hand he conducted with cell

8:47

with dignity of the and i led the

8:49

room underwear sergeant at idle him than i

8:51

should do for he had done op cit

8:53

of he had down to go his mouth

8:55

supposed to die from combat one teeny gabi

8:57

dance even gabi donna he left. So.

9:00

I was wall plug in the afternoon believe in

9:02

time I left there are other one feasting I

9:04

heard he burst. And. Dusted dando. he

9:06

was again Kelly executed. Saw Saddam

9:09

in the room. He. Was shot

9:11

by and to Caribbean that was burrow by

9:13

the these sergeant from lieutenant Bars for redoubt

9:15

almighty girls at gardening I understand because I

9:17

wasn't present he came he says you are

9:19

like to talk to you and he told

9:22

his i love i know you're coming to

9:24

kill me say no no we're not going

9:26

to purely of worst you are some of

9:28

our lives on that and eight oriental yoga

9:30

know when you deny your when to kill

9:32

him and so he opened fire chevrolet this

9:34

or is a bullet hit he it was

9:37

a normal reaction to tried to cover yourself.

9:39

Or. So he was shot and killed. I

9:41

came back a few hours later with said

9:44

to have to grab them. So from the

9:46

operation cubs and Daddy brown says it's really

9:48

a we got into the room his she

9:50

said was a facing the for the in

9:52

the ceiling he was a color was not.

9:55

A soul and a was dead body of

9:57

to kill them behind him the have been

9:59

killing operation. One. Was grub them been

10:01

to one another got different go on army who

10:03

died in combat. The. So we embrace

10:05

in there and and got a plow semi Gabi

10:08

that we are finished in The Gorillas in Latin

10:10

America. I. Told him he can be

10:12

done. We haven't finished that Ali's We have delayed them

10:14

for a long time. So. We could

10:16

hear the helicopter coming under you me that the left.

10:19

So. I ask for a bucket of water ugly

10:21

his face and to go live more out of

10:23

his face I tried to blow his jaw was

10:25

my handkerchief which are lousy. the helicopter with the

10:27

when and thing I tried to blow his eyes

10:30

i was impossible them dabbing up into law and

10:32

i tried to closing of up against several done

10:34

so i gave up on it. So.

10:36

We took the body and with dialed the rice.

10:38

I have the helicopter. Oh why

10:40

we're finishing to lose I remember hide it to

10:42

the stretch to the health hazard to the have

10:44

to live right on to on the helicopter the

10:47

right side. And. I remember dig

10:49

deep, divide us that and I hi my name was

10:51

month to mimic up a dumb move forward to bottom

10:53

of the helicopter. so up with my hang on their

10:55

him and pull it out way got it? I was

10:58

completely covered with blood. Apparently. Was

11:00

shot in the our death and this in this

11:02

plastic things are abd al the him alone he

11:04

wanted to go through it was a big pool

11:06

of blood in there I look at it i'd

11:08

be insane is a by Saddam I say they

11:10

are people have blocked in their hands I how

11:12

the hell of a lot of here like really

11:14

blood than in the his race I have my

11:16

pants I came in and then a soldier came

11:19

on say my all my your father's she looks

11:21

went to see him. So. we're

11:23

still with helicopter running for maybe a couple of minutes

11:25

on the he was a breeze who came on a

11:27

on my immune. He. Came around the

11:29

heat nice get down the mula he gave

11:31

him the last been addiction wishing to picture

11:34

of it was a mean of drummer them

11:36

I have left I thought to myself digs

11:38

this guy wasn't out there is he didn't

11:40

believe in god. nevertheless he received the ruff

11:43

from free from from the catholic church. And

11:45

from there with to golf and then we

11:47

landed in by your ground they were thousand

11:49

people waiting at the wrong way. There were

11:52

some like fifteen different plane from the Braves

11:54

are from the military waiting for the for

11:56

for him to arrive so I put my

11:58

cap on wrong to the people so. My

12:00

big you have never taken. and

12:02

then he was taking into law school house or

12:04

and he was given to has be done little

12:06

thing out of the murder. Thing.

12:08

In the avian there was a a meeting

12:10

handy of the great general was telling a

12:12

colonel as if if if he doesn't I

12:14

do sick of our i would need Tangible

12:16

bravo It got his head on. put him

12:18

for my life. So. I say me

12:20

and I'll you're gonna do that. Say why not

12:23

Says supposedly feel alienated. It's Aguilar I you are

12:25

ahead of us day. You. Cannot show

12:27

the head of a human being approved

12:29

well whether you suggest I say well

12:31

you've won some tangible proof of it.

12:33

Got one finger and we have the

12:35

fingerprints from the Argentina Federal Police and

12:37

you can be checked so he order

12:39

both had to be. So.

12:42

I left without documentation for sent a gruesome

12:44

Iowa Frankenstein there and they have a three

12:46

of our blog in the morning when the

12:48

bread was gone are the to his body

12:50

to the got both hands and putting formaldehyde

12:52

and to what about his i do with

12:54

varying of the wrong way and the very

12:57

hang in there was two bodies. There.

12:59

Was a bulldozer there who was i am

13:01

making longer the wrong way down He was

13:03

very right there now later on years later

13:05

once he then said he found the body

13:08

on the side of the runway was seven.

13:10

Ah the body I can assure you that

13:12

was not share of our because he wasn't

13:14

very. they're. Amazing.

13:17

And. So what did you do? As I

13:19

can? Sixty seven was back up really quickly.

13:21

You're you're born in Cuba. right?

13:24

Hadn't when you can. The United States. Like.

13:26

Game and nineteen fifty four for school

13:29

again to Berkelium Bread and Federal Pennsylvania.

13:31

I. Spent six years in their seventies

13:33

grade them my high school and I

13:36

actually went off my last year due

13:38

to the first thing that was against

13:40

costs for was empty com is leading

13:42

the Caribbean, the Dominican Republic so I

13:44

participate in operation with whom I was

13:47

seventy eighty years old and I came

13:49

back and thing after graduation I was

13:51

accepted the University of Miami for Civil

13:53

Engineering. But. Before he went there

13:55

I've learned it was something going on.

13:58

Landing America against gastrulate. Join What? It

14:00

became the Bay of Pigs Invasion. I was nineteen

14:02

year old a dime. What?

14:04

Was your role in the Bay of

14:06

Pigs invasion I was bar with they

14:08

got a special forces or or infiltration

14:11

thing so I was a group of

14:13

ball thirty six people we got into

14:15

Cuba or month and a half before

14:17

the invasion to war with the resisting

14:19

welcoming clandestinely by both eyes are working

14:21

inside the island helping with them was

14:24

a or guy of equipment and trying

14:26

to do an operational another area them

14:28

actually the Bay of Pigs who briles

14:30

because then they were dollars anything each

14:32

day. had been able to tell. All

14:34

the do invasion was com and do we had

14:36

enough is blasio to be able maybe to blossom

14:39

rages toward the Bay of Pigs delayed the advancement

14:41

of our cats are through of but they never

14:43

do anything we learn through the gulen radio. Saw.

14:46

That I was logo was able to make

14:49

it sailed through the Venezuelan embassy where I

14:51

spent seventy five and have months. In.

14:53

Havana In Havana. And. Then finally

14:55

got safe conduct went back to Venezuela the

14:57

end of September I'd how did she get

14:59

from the bay and paste of an ass

15:01

a long way as and then I was

15:03

an any bail I landed near have been

15:05

a month and a half before the Bay

15:07

of Pigs and worked with the resistant your

15:09

we had a mechanism of the of the

15:11

internal receipts and to pick us up near

15:13

the highway then take off to safe houses

15:15

in Havana and with are working with them

15:17

in there during that time. So. I

15:20

was and you may have begun the time. And.

15:22

I was lucky because a d have an be

15:24

of any embassy in there but the lady who

15:26

was driving me around was close gonna get to

15:28

the a spanish embassy. And. The

15:30

a spaniard on and on the handover gotta

15:33

who were in charge of ah the gold

15:35

propaganda actually wasn't dalliance came to pick her

15:37

up to go. There were surrounding our building.

15:40

Fidel. Very successfully What he knew his

15:42

rather every single my blogging Havana. and

15:44

if you were a male, how are

15:46

military Asian? You were not assigned to

15:48

a military unit even though you may

15:50

have been even a communist they would

15:53

beg you I'm putting custody they were

15:55

baseball feel. We start to under fifty

15:57

thousand Cubans in there. As.

15:59

Peter the Cup the be for five thousand

16:01

people five thousand five hundred for they were

16:03

able to these articulating thrilled receipts and I

16:05

wait even they pick up some of my

16:07

friend that claiming and then they release them

16:09

because they had no idea who they were.

16:11

But. I was log in make it to

16:13

the Venezuelan embassy and then back back into

16:16

i'm into a Miami Actually got to Miami

16:18

on the a very first of October. Of.

16:21

Night in sales sixty one and they had

16:23

by the end of October it was bagging

16:25

sake you were when bags seven times And

16:27

because I was the only one who left

16:29

the contact open after the failure of the

16:31

Bay of Big to bring people I'm a

16:33

can win again and for intelligence purpose. What?

16:36

What kind of Clinton? Real Bringing in

16:38

all we were ring explosive we're bringing

16:40

in three Machine guns are all com

16:42

hand grenades although saying that they were

16:45

still and bringing in to be able

16:47

to support of a future receipt them.

16:50

But. They didn't work out there I decide

16:52

are actually nineteen sixty out the way. Decided

16:54

to marry my brush him why for sixty

16:56

two years I told her I say look

16:58

ross ah I went to great thing when

17:00

to went to civilian life for a while

17:03

you deny there something serious about you or

17:05

I will go. Switch. You made

17:07

the mistake of agree to that of we got

17:09

married at twenty five of I was. I.

17:11

Just are working a company for one

17:13

dollar an hour. Cult of Scalise Litter

17:16

service propaganda thing. I was improving. Talking

17:18

baggage incompetent One Laura Thirty five an

17:20

hour. So while I was working there

17:22

November I got married. When if you've

17:24

of hours. In. The any muslim

17:26

Dory got a call from i see a guy

17:28

in Se lo any to talk to you after

17:31

you work at that company so I went to

17:33

see him at the parking lot of the Power

17:35

in Josiah Roof and the University of Miami. I

17:37

see the his car and say Felix the Marines

17:39

are going to like you and we need you.

17:42

I. Look at has a Tom is emerging as

17:44

one to nine fewer. What the hell? The and

17:46

and me for a good point is a well

17:48

a you know how to of ray radio beacon.

17:51

will you do partial behind a Soviet missile base

17:53

in Santa Clara to set up a radio beacon

17:55

so that our Airforce Fahey with precision The airbase

17:57

added that we didn't have the Gps you. The

18:00

we got to they. Saw. That die

18:02

agrees the lead to we do a safe

18:04

house and my basic training was roam free

18:06

from different altitudes on the three point of

18:08

contact with the in break a leg. I.

18:11

Do couldn't even call my wife. My wife

18:13

went back to the to the a Fireman

18:15

done and of course the night when Kennedy

18:18

when on national television the Clergy Above or

18:20

Grayson. Of good. Realize was something

18:22

new and related to that. For.

18:24

The day we were one to parachuting to

18:26

fuel the data crucial back down the operation.

18:29

And. Then realized. After. Diver was

18:31

other jobs so they had grunting as a war with

18:33

the ceiling. For. How long? On.

18:36

The lighting seventy six when they retire

18:38

me were for security consideration after a

18:40

corals and then on I have why

18:42

why his advice or was assassinated in

18:44

firing ah he was the body than

18:46

ambassador and he was kill and they

18:48

left a sign saying the sake of

18:50

our a commando. Then. They also

18:53

says he may they may have been Dunia

18:55

was a colonel then for were dug into

18:57

any in Hamburg Germany who was a consul

18:59

general from Bolivia. They're also less a sign

19:01

say and commander sake of aura. And

19:03

they call my home and say Felix Ramos

19:06

your next does the name that a using

19:08

Bolivia America mouth. So. The agency

19:10

proposed me one of those programs to change my

19:12

name and go to another as they wish. I

19:14

would not have said because of my good. So.

19:16

What they did they green to my

19:19

home the did a security evaluation they

19:21

are actually man gave me a bulletproof

19:23

car the bullet brew my car him

19:25

in Langley, Virginia. I got a license

19:27

to carry concealed weapon the was difficult

19:29

to get on the time. And.

19:31

They give me a total disability like the and have

19:34

the work that have a roofing a work. And.

19:36

Put some iron fences you my house on

19:38

security and thing I sign a paper for.

19:40

Dang if I got good relate to my

19:43

job, my family one of the show it

19:45

you know Nick hundred soothing Anyway a form

19:47

to go what they offer me that they

19:49

consider. I refuse to. But. Then

19:51

after die continue on independently to

19:53

do something like Iii blending into

19:55

a Salvador. Flame result

19:58

of Odinga real as a volunteer with. Khan

20:00

said no. Developing Vietnam where I spent

20:02

two and a half years in Vietnam,

20:04

Ussr, Bolivia and new was very effective

20:06

in a salon or when he was

20:08

there. What we doing in Vietnam? As

20:11

a Cf, so. Well. That might responsibility

20:13

was the study rugged thing I'll say wrong

20:15

and and the regarding of the both gone

20:17

into salem. We. Were advising a unit

20:19

call it be Are you provincial reconnaissance

20:21

unit? it has? yeah yeah you. And

20:23

it was. Minus Bait and Control The

20:25

D C Eight. I. Was

20:28

almost impossible to study rather the

20:30

Cylon a idea for Sega for

20:32

psychological recent. every week there will

20:34

be valid to one twenty two

20:36

point are Soviet missiles going to

20:38

the city. At. random normal did

20:40

try to hit the presidential palace and

20:42

the Us embassy with never did but

20:44

it was psychological thing. And. With

20:46

are looking Harry was impossible to locate these

20:49

people until I was able to capture one

20:51

who was. The bodies are of to dandy

20:53

commander of the unit. And. He told

20:55

me that they were hiding an area that we never

20:57

thought of. The go there was literally what it would

20:59

come up least seventeen feet. And. What

21:01

they did he told me they had city five

21:04

hour long drama they sold around top of the

21:06

other though the a sleeping there when the water

21:08

when up when the what a when down the

21:10

wrong girl the ravens is fired rockets into the

21:12

area and then they can buy hi again. Then

21:14

I start looking at that are it was that

21:16

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21:19

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21:21

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21:23

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21:25

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21:27

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21:30

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24:01

Since you work there. Do.

24:03

You work for President Kennedy. Years

24:05

and he was of course killed

24:07

in November of Nineteen Sixty Three

24:09

and countless books been written blaming

24:12

Cuban exiles people participated in the

24:14

Bay of Pigs for being. Involved.

24:17

In some way with the Cia in

24:19

that assassination, what's your assessment of that

24:21

climate? I'll tell you most of the

24:23

brigade member beliefs are present. going to

24:25

was a traitor and he was the

24:27

one who have a different he had

24:29

the responsibility of he was response burrow

24:31

a failure a blogger from another point

24:34

I believe he was a young president.

24:36

Now ill advised and we pay the

24:38

price. And I believe they're

24:40

actually he was good because he tried to

24:42

amended after he was able to pull the

24:44

brigade out of prison he opened the Air

24:47

Force of the United States for the brigade

24:49

members of became a second been in the

24:51

Us Army night and sick the as sixty

24:53

three and then he promised Us official abrasion

24:56

which was started in Central American three different

24:58

based the number not many many people know

25:00

about it but then he was assassinated and

25:03

a lot of people believe that I was

25:05

only one sure if I believe it were

25:07

to shooter. Ah we have information. That there

25:09

was a queue under which is now retired

25:11

Gen. Five Young as Kalambay who was a

25:13

captain of the time watching Dollar and he

25:15

was the second shooter and as such an

25:17

Israeli President wages. Okay I'm so he said

25:19

it would have me. What's. His name.

25:22

Of young Escalante onions and he was

25:24

in dollars that the day and then

25:26

he left or a was something died

25:28

there and the and Castro said the

25:30

that the day he knew that fuel

25:32

up in the Us they were trying

25:34

to kill him. To be very careful

25:36

because you also had a very long

25:38

and. Say. Was a

25:41

moderator. Can have your aura of

25:43

orchestra? Have I seen that? That's.

25:45

While he would kill the you

25:48

believe the Kennedy was assassinated by.

25:50

Given. Forces cast to a great surrogates

25:52

think he has remember that Oswald was indeed

25:54

you an embassy for several hour before he

25:57

went to Dallas the day. And.

25:59

We are. The fact there was no question about

26:01

of the for young as Galanter were there. And.

26:04

Them you are denied the beginning to he

26:06

was ever in to give us embassy later

26:08

on when they learned a we are cia

26:10

will pictures a movie have been getting into

26:12

our embassy Then they said that they want

26:14

to hear a various things ah checked and

26:17

they phone all day indeed Yes Oswald was

26:19

in the queue and embassy and they claimed

26:21

that he came in there to vedic you

26:23

on visa I was the night. By.

26:25

The willies I was said participation few

26:28

and destination or the pressing a later

26:30

on wanna see some of us have

26:32

received Johnson said that they knew about

26:34

it about for security considerations they denied

26:37

to the public the participation few and

26:39

is as soon as you're the president

26:41

because remember that time they were already

26:43

for offenses Me something Psych you. Went.

26:46

Above or crisis to play they were

26:48

ready. Have been able to bring into

26:50

pure for offenses nuclear missiles, That's.

26:52

Why when cruiser thought you knew that you

26:54

knew that we got for offense in the

26:57

gulf for offensive missile inside the island he

26:59

could bring twenty of them does when the

27:01

of dog rice had to play but there

27:04

were still for missiles in psyche with a

27:06

were offensive so at the time everybody say

27:08

well they cannot Thank you Have a classic

27:10

Kennedy Green Chef treaty he was never implemented.

27:13

Because. Important part of that tree was that

27:15

it would be a bad person Ocular inspection by

27:17

American personnel in Cuba to make sure they have

27:20

they can Now those for missile and few a

27:22

never allowed them to be able to come in

27:24

to check for that. So. That didn't

27:26

come from. I was never daily can a

27:28

good job was never implemented at all. Do

27:32

believe the Cia had any role in

27:34

Kennedy's assassination? No, I don't think so.

27:37

I. Don't believe I know there's a lot of allegation

27:39

that effect of what. I don't think so I don't

27:41

really slow and com the and did you ever come

27:44

across Howard Hunt? During. Your yes, I

27:46

met him now after he came out of

27:48

prison. Ah actually was coming

27:50

from work for Christmas out of prison and

27:52

I have met his daughter was our team

27:55

is home. And Kevin. And

27:57

we've We're onto his shoulder into

27:59

Rcs. Are you writing in to come to

28:01

my home Un and Seven Sears? Yeah he Miami

28:04

and will I invited into going to my home

28:06

While I'm sitting there I get a call from

28:08

the Shiva station from Miami say Felix by the

28:10

way ah how we're how would been found make

28:12

sure you the made him I have guy was

28:15

it and ran for often I already have given

28:17

him I grabbed forty three day he was in

28:19

the Miami so later I got my boss a

28:21

suit issue that for me lately a sooner I

28:24

say what they said well. I had

28:26

our home in from my house Now is a

28:28

yes you didn't tell me and and I draw

28:30

him to cerebral him to my on. His.

28:32

First than I ever met him. Reason.

28:35

Why? Did a Cia not want you to see Howard

28:37

Hunt? Because. They want to see make

28:39

the they believe there is a connection between the Cia

28:41

and then. Even though I were hung was

28:43

working for D C Able he was heralded as for

28:46

for the way have was Nixon. Yeah. So

28:48

there was a connection there. Is. There

28:50

was. An. Interesting.

28:52

How did you get involved in the

28:54

Iran Contra story? Well. Why?

28:57

Was in a Miami I saw Dob I

28:59

saw it would be war was going going

29:01

on. Salvador. I. Had implemented helicopter

29:03

com said in Vietnam there was a

29:05

streaming effective against dear the vietcong in

29:07

their of with intelligence going to the

29:09

area was gunship sending in the spring

29:11

day i was lying on the law

29:13

helicopter is putting them in and coming

29:15

by was true been and get there

29:17

in the and the reason. So.

29:20

I volunteered to go to a Salvatore. Eighty

29:22

Five. Early Eighty Five. That's. Why went

29:24

to El Salvador? named as a volunteer? Know what he

29:26

was they me anything? Will. Volunteer

29:29

to. Who. Who did you?

29:31

Do. Is of alluring Airforce? yes but it

29:33

wasn't easy. He was very difficult because

29:35

you have the Us Military Commanders General

29:37

Gorman for a star General who command

29:39

all the millions or assistant to the

29:41

area and here's a queue and retire

29:43

from the Cia. Trying to implement a

29:45

military com setting is area. When.

29:48

I was lucky that they were device pressing of

29:50

the you know states had don't Greg was my

29:52

boss from Good Night as his National Security advisor

29:54

and he knew who are affected. My concept was

29:56

so he held me or to be able to

29:58

get a clear and from the state department other

30:01

people for me to go down there. So.

30:03

I start working with the with the concept

30:05

dying and Salvador was as three million a

30:08

man from success from. A.

30:10

One point time, Oliver North had a

30:12

problem with a plane. That

30:14

was starting in particular like when the

30:16

bringing because of of Honduran close the

30:18

entrance of his plane there because of

30:20

against it and they had was playing

30:22

with the the resistance and he knew

30:24

that I had an ex in a

30:26

relationship with the Salvadoran so he sent

30:28

a note to me that if I

30:30

could get the Salvadoran to hold all

30:32

of these military equipment from a virtual

30:34

until he was able to solve the

30:36

problem with and aura. So. I

30:38

talked to the Or to the head of the air forces,

30:40

me to the minister of defense and they agree. That's

30:43

how he got involved in the intruder and contra

30:45

thing they brought the plane was stories in there

30:47

for a for a while. And when

30:49

they saw that they ask me if i

30:51

good as the Salvadoran they could do the

30:53

maintenance of the heard graph from the in

30:55

cairo and receipt than abrasion he salvador and

30:58

out how we gotta started in.operation in there.

31:00

But. Really I'm device present value to

31:03

to do in this operation of course

31:05

when the Iran Contra broke davey blame

31:07

the did he and he actually that

31:09

came out to say that I was

31:12

same to and salvador to violate the

31:14

bowling amendment to supporting our our resistance

31:16

and my helicopter glancing concept was say

31:19

i cover up with wasn't true. That.

31:21

Wasn't the case at all. And. Then

31:23

they league subpoena me to testify in front

31:25

of Congress. I. Was the only

31:27

one who went to Congress and we sought a

31:29

lawyer and without immunity. everybody has

31:32

one was lawyer near down and they try even

31:34

the White house call me and said that boys

31:36

on gray from the white house I wanted me

31:38

to bring a lawyer to the way I was

31:40

one to pay for I say look I have

31:42

done nothing wrong if I have to bring a

31:44

lawyer for what I did I mean the run

31:46

contrary. I. Don't believe I have the wrong

31:48

country! So. They don't We now use

31:50

on understand you know you know how this

31:52

congressman are. They make up as you do

31:54

a push you into saying something dumb. I

31:56

heard device pressing and I refused. I was

31:58

the only one who when we our lawyer

32:00

and we showed immunity. And.

32:02

I came out fine and the only

32:04

guy that I really don't like an

32:06

old goes after.is he caused me to

32:09

justify his community was John Kerry. Why?

32:11

Didn't you like John Kerry? He's. A

32:13

funny. I. He

32:15

was the war hero. To. Be

32:17

on it was you. I I I was

32:19

invited one when he ran for president. The

32:21

Vietnam Veteran for the Truth make a big

32:23

rally in the West wing of the capital.

32:26

At that time they asked me to be while

32:28

the speaker for gazing because what he did

32:30

the mean we accuse me of receiving the million

32:33

dollar for the money and goddamn forty conduct

32:35

Which wasn't true. You. Know I

32:37

was a lady was a pain he was very

32:39

hot from my family. Because. I was lying

32:41

and Salvador I'm I'm my wife Camille said law

32:43

is from facing the Miami Herald a pitcher when

32:45

you were in the army but you receive ten

32:47

million dollar from the million guard down. I say

32:49

you know that's not true is to say I

32:51

know what here is so beautiful. Cent of the

32:54

Carries committee. So. I call from

32:56

us southerners out of garage ios as I

32:58

look. Ah you'll need a subpoena.

33:00

was me but Cindy ticketing Acer because and

33:02

we mileage which they did say for the

33:05

Washington we're spend four hours and in a

33:07

deposition with him. Ah, he

33:09

was representative. I mean by. My

33:12

among. The. Was I yam? Ah,

33:15

Mitch. Mcconnell was the minority so of

33:18

the was Robinette represented Mitch Mcconnell and

33:20

another guy represented him. After we finity

33:22

testimony they wanted a close hearing a

33:24

we Wanna Open here and there was

33:26

nothing classify about it. I'll retire and

33:28

seventy six we're talking something that happened

33:30

nineteen eighty Five but the carried an

33:33

unwanted for us to come out so

33:35

he refused to having open hearing. We.

33:37

Had the went to a close here my had

33:39

the opportunity of the time when I first came

33:41

in as me if i wanted to say something

33:43

that was all the senator and know they ask

33:45

me i say you want to say so that

33:48

i say yes I look at the as a

33:50

senator the will be the hardest testimony of my

33:52

life to Why do you say damn is heraldry

33:54

is a sad or is very hard to have

33:56

to as sequester for somebody that you than our

33:58

respect either respect your you are doing here. Permits.

34:00

Or overeager we got. we disagree with you will

34:03

knowledge but the reading that you are a Senate

34:05

or you didn't even have the guts to buy

34:07

your own metal when you were protesting the Vietnam

34:09

war. don't believe everything you see in the breasts.

34:11

The I know that the hell of a lot

34:14

of a that you do senator is it was

34:16

a bedroom. What me to throw his medals a

34:18

bullshit he was everybody perception was your marrow to

34:20

or throwing or the White House fence own really

34:23

dealing he's very well. you're end of the other

34:25

at all and the day I talk to a

34:27

lot of people were willing. You know they will

34:29

never ever wanted. Income but. He. Does

34:32

have one bullet hole in his body. A.

34:34

Claim three in bed. Three are them febrile.

34:36

hard to be able to leave the in

34:38

them. He knew that there was a and

34:40

overeat and law that are you were wounded

34:42

three times in one to you could request

34:44

to levy on them. Yes, and.

34:47

As exactly what he did, why they hid

34:49

scratching celtics and it was really from hunger

34:51

and it. Never got a bullet hole. He.

34:53

Got scratches. I always claimed that he had

34:55

been wounded that dying. Get it? Get a

34:57

a purple heart the third one day he

34:59

was the ninety guy. didn't say was he

35:01

was worth it. You have to wait until

35:04

they change. The guy delivered the convened the

35:06

other guy, the wifi me third purple heart

35:08

and us why he left in them. And.

35:10

Dagger when was Jane Fonda Love talking

35:12

about the our people in there was

35:15

a shame because today I see how

35:17

our people treat the military with respect

35:19

in the planes and it I wake

35:21

him back the won't even word or

35:23

only for because they were both were

35:25

war criminals. All of that because John

35:27

Kerry I'm Jane Fonda. So.

35:33

What was the resolution of Iran Contra?

35:36

You testified. Well

35:38

he had a d and really have.

35:40

Actually when you look added a in

35:43

what they they didn't have a case

35:45

at all. Because the only

35:47

reason they brought the Iran Contra hearing

35:49

was because the violation of the ball

35:51

on the may or may know if

35:53

you see us money those who wrote

35:55

an eager our resistance for were happening

35:57

is when general see course these some

35:59

transaction. With the urine. Remember

36:01

how we see rail. Or

36:03

he got the millions of dollars from

36:05

that transaction the Congress determine. That.

36:08

That money that he had belong to us

36:10

gore and not to seek or is stealing

36:12

court today. Is. Didn't coordinate is

36:14

over a million dollars or he was a

36:16

million and a half to help the economy

36:18

will receive them with that money So because

36:20

of that seems to come to determine that

36:22

was monitor belong to us government They violated

36:24

the born in a moment that's how he

36:26

came together and put of the are. Viewed.

36:29

Iran Contra hearings and committees and other

36:31

that. They. Went through. Let

36:33

me tell you he wasn't He was. I

36:35

a wasn't easy because some. Other

36:38

so make which i was tired. And.

36:41

Before.on my song on my daughter went to

36:43

see it. Now you're having a be a

36:45

A and that always I be in contact

36:47

with them for my security. I. Learned

36:49

recently he already die from his weight of them I

36:51

saw my daughter went to see him. And. Before

36:54

it does define congress and they thought he'd

36:56

blow garlic or everybody's telling all save my

36:58

father's and bring a lawyer he would go

37:00

to prison. Please. Convincing they

37:02

are the bring a lawyer with him. So.

37:05

He did he the and tell me that he came

37:07

to see me and say look Felix your want to

37:09

testify in Congress and you're going to be on the

37:11

Rose. You. Can other life? No

37:14

matter what happened, you can the line because of

37:16

you Do. Ah, They would as

37:18

the same question fifteen different way. And they were. They

37:20

were No. Now. Either is nonsense.

37:22

You are not very happy with it, though you are

37:24

not very content with it. You. Don't remember.

37:27

You. Don't remember that. Gonna do anything. But.

37:29

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37:31

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wonder how you live so long having

39:42

been through all these conflicts? I.

39:45

Really? Honestly, I.

39:48

Believe in God. For. Example: I'm

39:50

I was in Vietnam my boss that shocked me who

39:52

was amazing with his yeah yeah yeahs though people that

39:54

they had a death wish. They. Wanted to

39:56

give you which was auto. I.

39:58

Was so convinced. The

40:01

noble it was want to hit me gotta be

40:03

made that commission so I could sit in the

40:05

helicopters video should you may come on should have

40:07

them because I knew it wasn't wondered does from

40:09

and they never did. So. I was

40:11

enough. bravery was my conviction that I knew he

40:13

wasn't going to to his you're a married man

40:16

That point yet to add to gets really. And

40:19

you were never worried about getting killed. I.

40:22

Knew I wasn't going to with do. Not even

40:24

when that I didn't. Buy.

40:26

Of people wounded next to me. My early quoted the.

40:29

Said. He different location to fired two kids in

40:31

the helicopter body but that was shut down Fi

40:33

same gun down one and seven or for a

40:35

naval door shut down five tunnel. But.

40:38

You know, My. Bag is in

40:40

bad shape of them. Are putting

40:43

a still life and I believe was god

40:45

will definitely him was his enemy that's why

40:47

the and worry about it. Now

40:49

that I was brave, I was convinced nothing was

40:51

going to happen to be all right. It turned

40:53

out. or yeah, absolutely. What? Was ten

40:55

shakily like. Oh. He was there

40:58

was the most. Intelligent.

41:00

Mandalay have ever met. In my life he

41:02

was the one response your for the burlington

41:05

of yeah he was you are station in

41:07

Miami and we became close friends. On.

41:09

Day to day he died ah fool and

41:11

we were closer we as to made he

41:13

was the head of a station in Saigon.

41:16

And. We we have them

41:18

will develop a personal friendship. He's

41:21

the one. one time for me not to

41:23

fly and they had a a defector empires

41:25

who has said they were a high. Yeah

41:27

we're going to hijack the plane with the

41:29

Cuba involved in the assassination of Sugar Vara

41:31

so shag legal me undies station say you

41:34

are going to Miami and Bookcase and don't

41:36

fly into Miami. So what I did. I

41:38

flew into Atlanta rent a car when bag

41:40

spend Christmas with my family I'm back Then

41:42

I went back to Atlanta on the sixth

41:44

of January of Nineteen Seventy one and them

41:46

I had a crossing in there such he

41:48

was at the airport I had to fly.

41:51

Who leave Atlanta, Houston, Houston, San Francisco

41:53

had like four hours overlaying San Francisco

41:55

on the I phone. Other was on

41:57

my plane, stopping in dollars. an hour

41:59

later, right? Change that to stay with my causing.

42:01

well more our to Why Got to Vietnam the

42:03

what? it was waiting for me. So.

42:06

Why got in there I went to the Amber to

42:08

a dog hotel our hotel chain my got to the

42:10

embassy they don't use or were you doing years or

42:12

when? you mean I support the right to The nobody

42:14

was waiting for me as an honor know you're playing

42:16

were hijacked the viewer were tried to find out how

42:18

the hell we can get you out of their. That's.

42:21

Why when we went on the agency's

42:23

some me and my family to Argentina

42:25

in nineteen seventy in I didn't know

42:27

seventy three days Geico our passport I'm

42:30

our by for of my wife has

42:32

said place of birth. Of. Colorado.

42:34

Instead of queue up for dead three to encase,

42:36

I got hijacked. The Good: claim me as a

42:38

Us citizen. that was the only guy was a

42:41

Us citizen by birth for about that a year.

42:44

I. Have copy of the bus for amazing

42:46

to deliver Meet Fidel Castro. Not.

42:49

I. Wish I had because you will be

42:51

there of them. What

42:53

would? You think if you the now. I

42:57

use a disaster. ah I ah how

42:59

they are still some be able to

43:01

stand the way these in the economy

43:03

is completely on the ground. And.

43:06

I can understand the people

43:08

who talk about socialism for

43:10

dog, about progressive. ah look,

43:12

whatever. socially some thoughts completely

43:14

destroyed. Look. What happened to

43:16

Pure was wasn't one of the most

43:18

prosperous island in nineteen Fifty eight. You

43:21

know, the dollars, You know I was due

43:23

on. Pessoa hired resend on the dollar. You.

43:26

Wanted to buy fuel on pursue. had to

43:28

pay one daughter and three cents. For. The

43:30

queue and on the saying they Dominican Republic

43:32

he destroyed economy. Look. Of. The.

43:35

Richest country in a in America

43:37

and wizard the reserving oil unbelievable

43:40

know how does whatever they torched

43:42

the destroy. Die. But I will have

43:44

been very concerned this country of all of these

43:46

people talking about socialism on of that they have

43:48

no idea what it is. Unfortunately,

43:50

We have a lot of professor in the universe. It

43:52

does inculcate these ideas that they are never lived through.

43:55

That's what I did, people went on to the. People.

43:58

Can tell you a social is only one. Never

44:00

leave it. When you live in there you see

44:02

what happened to you. You understand the socialism is.

44:05

And. We know because we suffered.him our own.

44:08

Flesh. Of you have been back

44:10

know I can add three. Their sentencing

44:12

absentia. Well I was back the last

44:14

I was in nineteen sixty five when

44:16

I was always a dame to photograph

44:18

a Soviet submarine basing lucky one out

44:20

in the I know fine. But.

44:23

Does the only time.dash be one soy been

44:25

never him I added you said you went

44:27

back and number of times. Yes,

44:29

Or until in a clinton way. How did

44:32

you get it? By. Both clandestinely.

44:35

And we have people working for us Indians

44:37

I will contact also Dundee guy decoding you

44:39

trusted them you never way but thing the

44:41

trader executed. We. Had to trust that

44:43

we only choice. There. Were they were people

44:45

that were betrayed Iran but I was lucky as out

44:47

breeding I was very very local. Did. They

44:49

get out the people who helped you. Ah,

44:52

Some of them dame song dynasty living in

44:54

there for they only been the what he

44:56

knew that they were a whole or help

44:58

us. He's. Go from

45:00

Key West. Or how did you.

45:03

While. He was in between three. We're certainly key

45:05

west and and on islam on are they will

45:07

have a bug with because up in their take

45:10

on to the Mali both on them with they

45:12

offer for cue from there. For. The

45:14

operation inside you're. Going out

45:16

only one thing from the Bay of

45:19

Pigs people who enter que only one

45:21

team made by air they were belligerent

45:23

in on defy people most of our

45:25

sons a answer by both clandestinely and

45:27

there was a group of about five

45:29

or six who came in through the

45:32

airport with a real names and with

45:34

cover a story that they were coming

45:36

back from American universities. But.

45:38

Not about gaming clandestinely, baboons and a mechanism

45:40

was we will go to the coastline. There

45:42

was a reception theme there are with lights

45:44

do we disembarked? Then there was a guy

45:46

who take off my your for fi kilometer

45:48

into the main highway with a car from

45:50

the movement will pick us up and take

45:53

us to a safe housing alone. We had

45:55

the trust and we are no idea who

45:57

they were. We were looking. Was.

45:59

Anyone. From the Cia. Any of these

46:01

teams ever caught. Know first

46:03

person. All from the Cia had said they

46:06

never participating in Insight You when they didn't

46:08

allow them. The were only humans. Involved

46:10

in that operation with see a

46:13

case officer. We. Don't call

46:15

it the controller to we call said

46:17

case officer. Were. Any of them

46:19

ever caught out by the Cuban government. Non

46:22

non up our people did yes yeah

46:24

of from my infiltration theme for of

46:26

thing were executed by firing squad or

46:29

well of thing was killed defending a

46:31

safe house and there were seventeen of

46:33

them who has spent twenty years and

46:35

que embrace i'm going to three became

46:38

to release the brigade from brazen our

46:40

people even though we were brigade member

46:42

we're not consider it will randomly throughout

46:45

the consider as a spy because we're

46:47

getting ready gonna get as and so

46:49

we were not borrow.dot exchange the freezer.

46:52

So. My people from my infiltration thing has

46:54

been a date in twenty years in prison

46:56

before they were released. Into. The

46:58

can with u S when they guess. So.

47:02

Lot of people got. Caught. Employers.

47:06

It. Was a disaster. What?

47:09

Do you think the Cia now. Is.

47:13

That what we used to be I recall

47:15

him my times we were given a task

47:17

we would run operationally there is any problem

47:20

Then we went to our legal service in

47:22

other day and evening the counselor to as

47:24

you know how we solved the problem because

47:26

of the he'd use of the happening in

47:29

the bars that there are love a you

47:31

have lost their retirement of that because of

47:33

operations are now. They go when

47:35

they are given a mission to go to a lawyer

47:37

first. I'm fine now. What they can do it, what

47:40

they're gonna do, and they put a tremendous disadvantage on

47:42

us. I mean my A My

47:44

dying you could do a hell of a lot of

47:46

morphine them they can do right now. They.

47:48

Try their best anyway Am but

47:50

done And and a guy who

47:53

really destroy the Cia was a

47:55

Jimmy Carter. How. Well

47:58

I made turbo charger he told me

48:00

bought a we had very high penetration

48:02

for example in old guy either I

48:04

in Sendero luminoso. You. We had

48:06

those people Nine Eleven. We will never happen.

48:09

When. Jimmy Carter became pressing he has for

48:11

a brief of really see a he wanted

48:13

to know how those penetration were handle. So.

48:16

Shabbily was the one in charge go he told

48:18

me person he was the wind chart briefly President

48:21

Carter on that. Void. Totally president

48:23

of you have a guy who infiltrate

48:25

into a cell a Macgyver boston common

48:27

to have two more and more access

48:29

fire in the organization. He

48:31

will come up for example was an operator

48:34

the we're Going To Do It there is

48:36

Operation Sunday's a very pragmatic gruver with a

48:38

study the appraisal he wasn't very meaning most

48:40

ah than damages they will allow the operation

48:43

to go through because you've every time you

48:45

have a guy insight and the abrasion failed.

48:47

they know somebody seems to straighten their. So.

48:50

There you have to allow celebration to

48:52

go through with minimal casualties. Gimme got

48:54

to say was immoral to do that.

48:56

So he actually order all of those

48:58

penetrated to be terminated so people are

49:00

two years to be able to be

49:02

able to get thing and said the

49:04

mean side the nets liking Al Qaeda

49:06

or Sendero Luminoso they had to be

49:08

told sorry we cannot support you anymore

49:10

We recommend that you leave is ever

49:12

gonna be you anymore and terminated So

49:14

we lost all of our eyes and

49:16

ears. Inside there is growing Jimmy Carter.

49:19

And. He put a lot of emphasis on satellite.

49:21

Satellite doesn't get inside behind the head of people

49:24

so we lost that but that's why we had

49:26

Nine Eleven. we have descended or luminoso take over

49:28

the embassy of for you're banging name in Peru

49:30

at that time. He. We had will

49:32

we have before that would never happen Day

49:35

was authorized by take a long time to

49:37

rebuild a type of real situation. Is.

49:40

The Cia. It.

49:43

Seems more military force now than it once

49:45

did. You. Think that's accurate. Now.

49:47

We have we have always we are

49:49

the Cla, Nbc a military branch we

49:51

our on for example Airforce. We have

49:53

our own Navy. Was. Different specific

49:55

girl I'm a equivalent of. nobody else

49:58

has I've been developer especially. And

50:00

without and there is a barometer a

50:02

browser does which I did belong to

50:04

the Us as we used to call

50:07

a special Operations division how they call

50:09

the special Activities division that operates i

50:11

borrow money.operator showing areas that down and

50:13

they do a tremendous job does does

50:15

the in the same the.we never get

50:18

recognized for it. Of people

50:20

are blames yeah yeah blame for many seem

50:22

to have him but there's a lot of

50:24

success of the can never be tall or

50:26

we have save a lot of live in

50:29

the browser the nobody knows about it and

50:31

the what he can take credit for the

50:33

situation we having our walls several i star

50:35

was said that mortar hundred people have die

50:38

within to see a muzzle dame doesn't even

50:40

have the name in their only why I

50:42

started go there were so classified of the

50:44

in the name never appear so you have

50:47

to be dedicated to do that because you

50:49

swallow. The organizations have received very leader credit

50:51

and do a lot of. What?

50:55

People would you think this country's

50:57

going? whether. Well.

50:59

I hope and change. A lot of people

51:02

used to same do a quick happen here.

51:04

And. I'll be would say gonna happen to you know this

51:06

day. After. What happened que

51:09

a way of seeing other place and

51:11

concerned about this country. I hope that

51:13

that we can regain the presidency because

51:16

some. The scene goes

51:18

to what they call socialism. as of I

51:20

would be a disaster. We will never know

51:22

you interstate highway These I am concerned because

51:24

I know what happened. Gyula. And

51:27

unfortunately we have. A lot

51:29

of professor a high level university who

51:31

are left his which treasure would combine

51:33

brainwashing the head of a lot of

51:36

our brightest to and and other

51:38

very concerned to me. Have.

51:40

You seen another country's. Been.

51:43

marginalized a than anyplace else they have constant

51:45

rain or as they because they know the

51:47

importance of the another day and and does

51:49

what i'd really concern in this country here

51:51

i seen this coming election is very bored

51:53

i know who the hell is going to

51:55

me the president but he is easy democrat

51:57

get the power in there and they go

52:00

the way there are with the open border and all

52:02

of that, in a few

52:04

years we will know the United States

52:06

the way it is now today. We

52:08

can lost the United States. I never

52:10

thought I could say that, but now I can say that

52:12

I'm very concerned. How

52:15

can it be stopped? Well,

52:17

I hope that people realize what's going on,

52:20

the world was going on in the United

52:22

States, and people realize and both intelligently this

52:24

time, see the reality of what's going on.

52:28

And I want to say more, I think people in telling that

52:30

I would be able to understand that. Looking

52:33

back, my last question, if you could do

52:37

something different with your life, would you have? I

52:41

mean, it seems like you got into

52:43

this kind of amazing line

52:46

of work almost accidentally.

52:50

I always wanted to be a civil engineer. Oh,

52:52

really? Really. My

52:55

grandson now is in the third year

52:57

of civil engineering at the University of

52:59

Washington, and George Washington University. But

53:01

that's what I wanted to be. And look,

53:04

history took me to a different place.

53:07

I was never able to graduate from high school, from

53:10

never from university. My son,

53:12

my daughter did, my wife did when she was

53:15

at Barre University, but I didn't. But

53:17

I don't complain. I think that

53:19

I had a life that I can see

53:21

myself and think that I contributed

53:23

a little bit to have

53:25

a better world than we have today. And I

53:28

don't regret what I did. No one bit of it. Well,

53:31

you certainly had the most interesting life almost anyone I've ever talked

53:33

to. So that's worth a lot. Thank you, sir. Mr.

53:36

Rodriguez, thank you very much for telling.