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Hey y'all , it's Kay and welcome to episode

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8 of the Texas Missing Podcast

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, part 2 of a Lisa Roverson

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story . So I wanted

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to give a quick thank you to

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our new supporters , both on

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social media and on our podcast

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platforms . Not only do I

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appreciate you guys sharing the

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episodes , but also in

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taking time to give us constructive

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feedback . I know that we're

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fairly new , but I want

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to strive in making each episode

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better and when I receive

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tips and suggestions , that truly

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does help in improving the show . But

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, as I mentioned , this is part 2

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of a Lisa Roverson story , so

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if you haven't already , leave me right

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here and go back and listen

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to episode 7 so you can get caught

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up Now where I left

1:11

off . In episode 7 , I mentioned

1:14

that a person of interest in a Lisa's

1:16

case had been arrested in Sintin

1:18

, texas , which is about 30

1:20

minutes from the Rands' pass . Well

1:23

, since that episode , ruby and

1:25

I were able to figure out that the arresting

1:27

agency was actually Aransas' past

1:29

PD , but I will go more in-depth

1:31

with that later on in the episode . So

1:34

in all of our source material , the

1:36

only person ever mentioned as

1:38

a possible suspect was Marina's

1:40

ex-boyfriend , ralph Gonzalez , and

1:43

he was never publicly named . But

1:45

there was also another major person of interest

1:48

that has been confirmed by previous detectives

1:51

for Aransas' past PD who

1:53

were working the case , as well as family

1:55

of Alisa . That person was Bob

1:57

Green , debbie Green's father

1:59

, and , if y'all don't remember , debbie

2:02

Green is the friend that Alisa left

2:04

her home to meet when she went missing

2:06

. So when Ruby

2:08

told me this , I was

2:10

a bit surprised , but

2:12

my mind immediately went

2:15

to Ruby's account of events the

2:17

night Alisa went missing . Then

2:19

Debbie , her father , and another Debbie's

2:21

friends had arrived at Alisa's house

2:23

after searching for her and

2:25

they all had ice cream cones and they

2:28

even had brought an ice cream cone for Alisa

2:30

. As we discussed in part one

2:32

, ruby had explained that even back

2:34

then as a child , how weird

2:36

she felt about that incident and

2:39

how out of place it was , and I

2:41

couldn't agree more . But it's

2:43

just kind of one of those things that you can't

2:45

put your finger on . But you know

2:47

, it was just odd . It's unclear

2:50

when exactly Bob Green became

2:52

a person of interest , but something

2:54

incredibly strange occurred after Alisa

2:56

disappeared . Ruby explained

2:59

to me that initially , when Alisa

3:01

went missing , debbie's mother , terry

3:03

, had come over to their house and told

3:05

Marina that she thought Bob had

3:07

taken Alisa and went on

3:09

to say that he had been acting suspicious

3:12

and even disappeared for a couple

3:14

of hours . The same day Alisa disappeared

3:16

and when he returned he

3:18

told his wife he had fallen asleep in his vehicle

3:21

at his workshop . Also , keep

3:23

in mind it was the beginning of August in

3:25

Texas , so the temperatures were fairly

3:28

high , so falling asleep in your

3:30

car doesn't really seem very legitimate

3:32

. Now , ruby and her mother

3:35

thought this revelation was bizarre

3:37

and they had a hard time wrapping their heads

3:39

around it , as they were all family

3:42

friends and Bob was always

3:44

coming over and helping her mother and taking

3:46

the kids out for ice cream . Ruby

3:48

said she would often spend the night at their house

3:50

and Bob was always so nice so

3:52

they just didn't picture him doing anything

3:55

like that . Ruby notes

3:57

that her mother does not remember the exact

3:59

conversation with police reference Bob

4:01

, but she does remember that one

4:03

of the detectives telling her that Bob

4:05

was in fact a person of interest in the

4:08

case , lieutenant Linda Thompson

4:10

, confirmed that all the properties that Bob

4:12

owned were searched in 1989

4:15

, the year that Alisa disappeared , but

4:17

no evidence was found . Bob

4:19

remained on Linda's radar and

4:21

to this day she believes that he

4:23

may have had something to do with Alisa's disappearance

4:26

. Now

4:28

, even though Bob was just a person

4:30

of interest in Alisa's disappearance

4:33

, he still found himself in hot

4:35

water . Now , in part one

4:37

I discussed a person of interest

4:39

being convicted of a very specific

4:41

crime . Well , in 1992

4:44

, bob was convicted of indecency

4:47

with a child . The original

4:49

charge filed was actually aggravated

4:51

sexual assault of a child , but

4:54

it was pled down to indecency as

4:56

the victim was supposedly safe and

4:58

away from Bob . Bob

5:00

received six years of probation for

5:02

the conviction and , as I said previously

5:05

, the case was filed by Aransas

5:07

Pass PD , lieutenant Linda Thompson

5:09

. Now I'm not going

5:12

to go into detail about

5:14

the victim , but I

5:16

do think it's important to note that

5:18

the victim was within Bob's

5:20

family . But

5:22

what's interesting is Ruby

5:24

has filed a records request to

5:26

obtain this arrest report and

5:28

Aransas Pass PD has told her that

5:31

they do not have any arrest or

5:33

report records for Bob

5:35

. So , although

5:37

we do not have the arrest report , I

5:39

was able to obtain the court

5:42

records for the offense and it's

5:44

the judgment document that outlines

5:46

. On February 10th of 1992

5:49

, robert Green pled no contest

5:52

to the charge of indecency with a child

5:54

. Now , pleading no contest

5:56

essentially means that Bob Green

5:58

neither admitted guilt or innocence

6:01

of the crime , but it's still a conviction

6:03

. So think of it as he's

6:06

not saying he did it , but he's

6:08

also not saying that he didn't do it . With

6:11

the plea , bob receives six

6:13

years of probation and some of

6:15

the notable conditions of his probation

6:17

included Avoid

6:19

injurious or vicious habits

6:22

. In abstain from the use of controlled

6:24

substances or dangerous drugs in any

6:26

form . Report in person

6:28

to the probation officer of San Patricio

6:31

County , texas , once

6:33

each month between the first and

6:35

tenth days of the month beginning February

6:37

10 , 1992 . Not

6:40

leave the state of Texas without

6:42

the written consent of this court , filed

6:44

among the papers of the cause . Report

6:48

immediately any change of address , change

6:50

of job or arrest to the probation officer

6:52

. Participate

6:54

in outpatient sex offender group treatment programs

6:57

sponsored by the sex offender services . Submit

7:00

to a polygraph examination concerning

7:03

your personal sexual conduct

7:05

once each three months during

7:07

the term of probation . Submit

7:10

from consumption of alcohol in any

7:12

form during the term of probation . Must

7:16

not enter any bar , tavern

7:18

, lounge or other similar place

7:20

during the term of probation

7:23

. Not accompany any person

7:25

under the age of 18 years without

7:27

the presence of the minor's parent or

7:29

parents . And finally , during

7:32

the term of probation , not associate

7:34

with , have contact with or

7:37

communicate with the victim or victims

7:39

in this cause . So

7:42

I'm not sure if you guys noticed

7:44

, but none of these conditions

7:46

included registering as a sex

7:48

offender . The sex offender registry

7:50

laws in Texas went into effect on

7:53

September 1st of 1991

7:55

, which was four days before

7:58

Bob was arrested for the initial crime

8:00

, which was on September 5th of

8:02

1991

8:04

. But , based on the Texas Department of Public

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Safety , offenders were

8:08

not forced to register at that time

8:10

. Now some of

8:13

Bob's family has refuted this

8:15

conviction , stating the

8:17

victim recanted . But

8:19

the DPS conviction records note

8:21

they were updated on May 11th

8:23

of 2023 , and when I

8:25

requested documents from San Patricio

8:28

County District Court there were no

8:30

documents received noting that the

8:32

conviction was overturned . Ruby

8:35

and I did have an in-depth conversation

8:38

about the conviction . She

8:40

opened up about how it made sense

8:42

with Bob's behavior and

8:45

looking back , it felt like it was more

8:47

of grooming behavior , especially

8:49

him coming over to their house and helping

8:51

her mother and taking them to get food

8:54

and on trips . She

8:56

even said when he would drive them anywhere

8:59

he would have them sit on his lap and

9:01

her thinking back on it now just

9:03

makes her sick . So

9:06

because Debbie's house was

9:08

so close to Alisa's , coupled

9:10

with coming across Bob's criminal history

9:12

. It brought up a question from me

9:14

regarding some of the news articles that

9:17

I read where Alisa had possibly

9:19

told her mom that it felt like someone

9:21

was following her or watching her . And

9:23

Ruby did confirm that . Alisa

9:26

did tell her mom that while she was

9:28

walking at home a couple times she

9:30

felt like someone had been watching her , but

9:33

Alisa never really expounded on this

9:35

and it was just kind of chalked

9:37

up to her being a kid . Now

9:41

, although Bob was convicted

9:43

within a couple years of 1992

9:46

, I wasn't able to find the exact year

9:48

Bob and his family moved back

9:51

to Iowa , where he originally was from

9:53

, and there was never enough evidence

9:55

to bring charges formally against

9:57

him for Alisa's disappearance . One

10:00

thing that I searched for but could never

10:03

find was how Bob was able

10:05

to move back to Iowa while being on

10:07

probation for his conviction . There

10:10

was a condition of his probation that I stated

10:12

earlier , where he would have to receive permission

10:14

to move states , so that very

10:17

well could have been the reason he was able

10:19

to leave Texas . Now

10:22

, throughout the next few years , even

10:24

after Lieutenant Thompson left , the department

10:26

Elyse's case was still being investigated

10:29

. Several tips had come in from

10:31

various states , but all

10:33

were found to be dead ends . Ruby

10:36

has kept in contact with the Randis PD

10:38

as well and has given any information

10:41

she can to the new detectives over the case

10:43

, which would be Detective Rhodes , who

10:45

oversees the Criminal Investigations Division

10:48

as of 2021 . Ruby

10:51

went on to say she doesn't believe that

10:53

her concerns have been taken seriously

10:55

by the new detectives . She understands

10:58

that Elyse's case is older , but

11:00

that doesn't mean she should be dismissed

11:02

or pushed aside . The

11:05

next updates to Elyse's

11:07

case would not come until

11:09

2016 , but

11:11

along with these updates came a

11:13

lot of tension . According

11:16

to source material , detective Rhodes

11:18

in Texas Equisarch conducted

11:21

a search of Elyse's house in 2016

11:23

. Detective Rhodes states

11:25

there used to be an open car

11:28

port there and it had since

11:30

been walled in and taken

11:32

into part of the house . We thought

11:34

that maybe the slab that had been poured in

11:36

there may be covering something up

11:38

. The article went on to say

11:40

that two other areas were searched

11:43

. That included a grassy area on another

11:45

street and Debbie's house , but

11:47

no evidence was found at any of the sites

11:50

. I

11:52

asked Ruby about the search at their old house

11:54

and about the slab that they were talking

11:56

about , and she told me that the slab

11:59

that the detective mentions was poured

12:01

many years after they moved , so she

12:03

was very confused why they chose to search

12:05

the area . The detective stated

12:07

he felt the slab was used to maybe cover

12:10

something , but that wouldn't really

12:12

make sense if they weren't even living there

12:14

when the slab was originally poured . An

12:17

article published by K33TV

12:20

South Texas mentions the search

12:22

, but also includes the statement . Elyse's

12:25

sister , ruby , told 3News

12:27

that her family signed off on the

12:29

search of the house . Ruby said

12:31

that the statement is incorrect and believes

12:34

the news station confused her with the actual

12:36

owners of the home and she never signed

12:38

off on any search . Another

12:40

question I posed was whether the search

12:42

was probable cause or consent . But

12:45

with the probable cause , iran's past

12:48

PD would have needed reasonable grounds

12:50

to suspect that a crime did take

12:52

place at the location , or the location

12:54

contains possible specific items

12:56

connected with the crime . The

12:58

question is , if they did have PC , what

13:01

was it ? The owners of

13:03

the home have stated , though , that nothing

13:05

was found during the search . Something

13:09

else I found interesting in another of

13:11

the press articles is that Elyse's

13:13

brother , tony , was actually a person of interest

13:15

in the case , and Detective

13:17

Rhodes states specifically there

13:20

was a person of interest that I really wanted to speak

13:22

with that was a brother

13:24

of Elyse , but he was in prison

13:27

in Alaska and he committed suicide

13:29

, so that is an area I can't explore

13:32

right now . I miss that opportunity

13:34

. I asked Ruby

13:36

more about this , to which she stated

13:38

that at the time of Elyse's disappearance

13:40

, tony was only 10 , and

13:43

he did have some mental health issues , but

13:45

none of them made him aggressive and he

13:47

would never hurt his sisters . Ruby

13:50

said there's never been one time that she thought that

13:52

Tony had anything to do with Elyse's disappearance

13:55

and felt that he

13:57

was only a person of interest , due to

13:59

Debbie's family spreading rumors and

14:01

retaliation in regards to

14:03

Bob being a person of interest , but

14:05

we will touch more on this in a few minutes . So

14:09

the searches are not the only thing that happened

14:12

in the case in 2016 . Ruby

14:14

also explained that her and her mother went down

14:16

to Aransas Pass to speak with detectives

14:19

. We thought that it was just going to be a

14:21

conversation regarding any updates

14:23

in the searches , but the detectives

14:25

ended up asking her mother to do

14:27

another polygraph test . Now

14:29

, keep in mind Marina passed the polygraph test

14:32

during the initial investigation in 1989

14:35

. Marina did say yes

14:37

. As Ruby said , she has always done anything

14:39

to help find Alisa . During

14:42

the polygraph , ruby stayed outside

14:45

and a short time later was approached

14:47

by an officer who stated to her that her

14:49

mother had failed the polygraph test

14:51

. The officer went on to tell

14:53

her that she must be suppressing

14:55

the memories and that she holds the

14:58

key to finding her sister . Ruby

15:01

said she was taken back and continuously

15:03

stated she did not know anything about what

15:05

happened to her sister and that her mother

15:07

is not responsible for her disappearance

15:10

. Subsequently

15:12

, marina was told the same thing that

15:14

she failed the polygraph and that she needed

15:16

to tell the truth . Marina

15:18

maintained that she was innocent and had nothing

15:21

to do with Alisa's disappearance . Ruby

15:23

said that they were allowed to leave and

15:26

to this day have never heard anything about

15:28

the polygraph again . Ruby

15:30

has attempted to get the polygraph results

15:32

for the last few years but has been refused

15:34

. Ruby

15:37

calls the police department at least once

15:39

a year on the anniversary of Alisa's

15:41

disappearance to see if there are any updates

15:44

, but she feels less than welcome

15:46

and almost a burden . Ruby

15:49

, along with her PI , richard Norgaard

15:51

, who has been assisting the family for

15:53

years , have sent at least 10

15:56

records requests to a RANDIS PD

15:58

, with 7 of those being for individuals

16:00

Ruby . 3 have been

16:02

provided by the department and

16:04

those were just recently received . As

16:07

Ruby has had to challenge the department to

16:09

fill the request , the

16:12

PD has told Ruby that some of

16:14

the records cannot be obtained as

16:16

they are tied to the investigation , but

16:18

several of the requests have not been directly

16:21

related to Alisa's investigation . Referenced

16:24

specific subject arrests at the department

16:26

. For instance , ruby requested

16:28

previous arrest records for Ralph Gonzalez

16:31

and she was only just now sent

16:33

one singular report for domestic

16:35

violence that was against her mother , to

16:38

which the reporting officer didn't

16:40

even have the decency to document her name

16:42

and instead referred to Marina as

16:44

WIFE . I

16:47

asked Ruby how often the police were

16:49

called out to their residents and she

16:51

told me several for beating

16:53

her mother bloody , for hurting

16:55

her and her siblings in every way imaginable

16:58

. Ruby recalled a time

17:00

when her mother attempted to flee Ralph and

17:02

run to a friend's house . Ralph

17:05

found her , drug her out by her hair

17:07

and took her home to continue beating her

17:09

. Ruby has a difficult time

17:11

understanding how , after so many years

17:13

of hell , there was only one police

17:15

report filed , only one arrest

17:18

and

17:20

, as we spoke of earlier , ruby submitted

17:23

a request for Bob Green's arrest as well

17:25

and was told by Aransas Pass PD

17:27

that Bob had never been arrested there

17:29

, which is false , as the decency

17:32

with the child arrest occurred in Aransas

17:34

Pass , as it was Lieutenant Thompson's

17:36

case . Ruby has

17:38

even requested for other agencies to

17:40

investigate Alisa's case , with the idea

17:43

that perhaps fresh eyes can

17:45

bring in new leads . But Ruby

17:47

has been met with a brick wall . It's

17:49

been nearly eight years since the last public

17:52

update . If the case

17:54

hasn't had movement in that long , what's

17:56

the harm in having other agencies look

17:58

at the case ? The Texas Rangers

18:01

helped with the initial investigation . Would

18:03

it be so far-fetched that they take another look

18:05

? Of course there may be

18:07

things that , as the public , we aren't privy to

18:10

. Perhaps there have been updates

18:12

that just have not been pushed publicly . Regardless

18:15

, ruby just simply hopes that

18:17

the department is still working to

18:19

solve her sister's case . Unfortunately

18:23

, along with the tension between the family

18:26

in Aransas Pass PD , ruby

18:28

has also been dealing with personal attacks

18:31

from someone that was very much a

18:33

part of this case , debbie Green . Throughout

18:36

the last few years , debbie has been outspoken

18:39

about the fact that she believes her father

18:41

was wrongfully accused and

18:43

blames Ruby and her family for Elise's

18:45

disappearance . Now

18:47

I went back and forth

18:49

on how I wanted to talk about this and

18:51

if I wanted to contact Debbie and get

18:53

her statements regarding the case , but

18:56

I ultimately decided against it , as

18:59

I have a difficult time understanding

19:01

how a person can get on a social

19:03

media platform in an open

19:05

forum and spread vile

19:07

theories and blatantly lie

19:10

regarding details of Elise's case all

19:13

under Elise's missing person poster

19:15

Just to turn around the next

19:17

day and ask for forgiveness from the family

19:19

and suggest they work together to solve

19:21

Elyssa's case . The

19:24

same cycle has continued for the last few

19:26

years , but , on the contrary

19:29

, if you would like to listen to Debbie

19:31

tell her story , gone Cold

19:33

Texas True Crime podcast

19:35

conducts an incredible interview

19:37

in their five-part series covering

19:40

Elyssa's disappearance . The

19:42

podcast host , vincent , was gracious

19:44

and respectful but at the same time

19:47

, covered the important aspects that needed

19:49

to be highlighted . With

19:52

all the struggles faced in the last 34

19:54

years , ruby , more than anything

19:57

, just wants to be heard in her sister's

19:59

case to be solved and she hopes

20:01

by getting her case out into the open it

20:04

can maybe trigger a memory for someone and

20:06

lead to ultimately finding peace for Elyssa

20:09

and her family . As

20:12

of this August , elyssa will

20:14

have been missing for 35 years . As

20:17

always , I will post photos of Elyssa

20:19

, as well as some others , on her social media

20:21

platforms . At the Texas Missing

20:23

, I would also like to invite anyone

20:26

to join the Missing Elyssa Roberson

20:28

Facebook page , which is a discussion

20:30

group about Elyssa's case with

20:32

updated case information . I'll link

20:35

the page on our social media pages . If

20:38

you have any information about the disappearance

20:40

of Elyssa Roberson , please

20:42

contact the Tri-County Crime Stoppers

20:45

at 800-254-8477

20:49

. And with that I'm

20:52

Kate , and this is the Texas Missing

20:54

Podcast .