Two completely different half hours! One is part of a recent interview with Ivan Stang on the video podcast My Family Thinks I'm Crazy, mostly talking about the old days of SubGenius. Lying, actually. The other is an Ask Dr. Hal show on Radio Valencia from around 2013 with Dr. Hal, Puzzling Evidence, Rusty Rebar, Bubba-Free-Im-Ho-Peppe Michael Peppe, the late Pete Goldie, Dr. Philo Drummond,  and Bishop Joey. It's NOT about the old days.