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course, again, iHeartRadio. I got a bunch

2:03

of things to get into and a

2:06

contemporary in the business talked some shit

2:08

about me, misrepresented

2:10

me, no surprise there,

2:12

it happens all the time. I

2:15

was surprised that I was called the

2:17

Race-Bator by him. But

2:21

it's okay. I mean, I'm

2:23

in a good mood. You know, you wanna start

2:25

something? Change the right place? I'm good

2:27

with it. I'm good with it. I'll

2:29

get into that trifling ass in a second,

2:32

but not before I get to the

2:34

first topic of discussion for this particular

2:36

show. And that would involve the Los

2:38

Angeles Lakers having agreed to a four

2:40

year contract with the one and only

2:43

JJ Rettick to make him the franchise's

2:45

next coach. Sources told ESPN on Thursday,

2:47

Rettick and ESPN NBA analysts who played

2:50

15 years in the league met with

2:52

Lakers vice president and general manager Rob

2:54

Palenka and owner Jeannie Buzz over the

2:56

weekend and conversations on the vacancy continued

2:59

throughout the week, according to

3:01

sources. Palenka offered Rettick the job Thursday

3:03

morning. According to sources, Rettick moved into

3:05

the forefront of the search a week

3:07

ago after Connecticut coach Dan Hurley turned

3:09

down a six year, $70 million

3:12

contract. Again, all of

3:14

that is sourced material. Now I happen to

3:16

work with Adrian Woljatrowski. He was a guest

3:18

on this show last week. I can

3:20

tell you right now he's been on top of this story

3:22

from day one. He was the one

3:24

that broke the story about Dan Hurley being a

3:26

prime candidate. He was gonna be offered this job.

3:28

He ultimately did get offered a six year, $70

3:30

million deal. One could make

3:32

the argument that the Los Angeles Lakers, how bad

3:34

did you really want Danny Hurley? If

3:37

you're only gonna offer him to be the sixth highest paid

3:39

coach. I mean, 11 million is 11 million. JJ

3:42

Rettick is getting about 8 million a year, but the

3:44

bottom line is this. When you consider

3:46

the fact that Monty Williams got 13 million

3:48

a year from Detroit a year ago before

3:50

he was let go just a few days

3:52

ago, much to his blessings, by the way,

3:54

talk about getting relieved, the purgatory. He should

3:56

be very, very happy. It's one of those

3:58

situations where I... I certainly can't knock him.

4:01

The point is, is that one

4:04

could easily argue, how bad did you really want Danny Hurley if

4:06

that was the offer that you made him? In

4:08

fact, you know, this is what you wanted all

4:10

along. I don't know whether that's true or not.

4:12

Here's what I do know. I'm

4:15

very happy for JJ Reddick. JJ

4:17

Reddick and I are cool. There's no

4:20

animosity between us whatsoever. I

4:22

can tell you that working on First Take,

4:24

he did a fabulous job covering the NBA

4:26

for us. He did a fabulous job being

4:28

a member of the A-Team with Doris Burke

4:30

and Mike Breen. He did a fabulous job.

4:34

And listen, he is no joke. Now I

4:36

know people took exception when we said he's

4:39

an acquired taste. JJ Reddick would laugh at

4:41

that. He would laugh at that because

4:43

he knows it's true. Why do

4:45

I say that? Because JJ Reddick is a

4:47

brilliant brother. He's smart as hell and

4:50

he does not tolerate fools and he doesn't

4:52

tolerate too much small talk. He ain't got

4:54

time for all of that. That's not who

4:56

he is. So when I talk about not,

4:58

you know, he's an acquired taste, he's not

5:00

somebody that's gonna be that

5:02

personable, fraternizing with folks for no

5:04

reason. There's a method to his madness and

5:07

a purpose to every step he takes. That is a

5:09

compliment. It is not an insult. He

5:11

does not play. He is a serious, serious

5:13

brother. That's who he is. That's who he

5:15

has always been. And he ain't gonna change

5:18

for anybody. He's a real one. I

5:20

got a lot of respect for JJ

5:23

Reddick and I'm thankful and grateful for

5:25

the job that he did, particularly on

5:27

First Take, but overall ESPN and

5:30

most of not all of us wish him nothing but

5:32

the best. However,

5:37

there are people who are misconstruing some

5:39

things when

5:41

it comes to JJ Reddick and his

5:43

podcast, Mind the Game with LeBron James.

5:46

So let me make it simple for folks. I'm

5:49

happy for JJ Reddick. I'm

5:52

wishing him nothing but the best. Not

5:55

that he ever would need to, but if he did,

5:57

he knows he could pick up the phone and call

5:59

me. I'll do whatever I can to be of help to him.

6:02

Cause we have that kind of relationship. We cool with

6:04

one another. We get along. I've

6:06

never had a problem with his podcast. I

6:09

had a problem with LeBron James agreeing to

6:12

do the podcast. Not initially.

6:15

Initially we all celebrated it

6:17

because we thought it was just going to be some podcasts.

6:20

But when they talked about getting

6:23

in to the intricacies of discussing

6:25

the game of basketball, and then

6:27

we started hearing noise

6:30

about Darvin Ham, the former Lakers

6:32

head coach fired after their first round series

6:34

lost to the Denver Nuggets, by the way.

6:37

You're saying yourself, damn. Why

6:41

is it that you would choose to

6:43

do the podcast at that particular time, as opposed

6:45

to after Darvin Ham lost the job, as opposed

6:47

to once the playoffs began, or once the playoffs

6:49

for the Los Angeles Lakers was over, or

6:51

this summer? Why do it then? We're

6:54

talking to LeBron James, not JJ Rettick.

6:57

JJ Rettick was in the media. It was no guarantee he was

6:59

going to be the next head coach of the Lakers. And

7:02

if him as an aspiring coach

7:04

used the broadcast industry to position

7:06

himself for recognition purposes, to get

7:08

a job like the Lakers job,

7:10

more power to him. Doc

7:12

Rivers did it. Mark Jackson did it. There's

7:15

plenty of people that have been in the

7:18

broadcasting booth that ultimately found themselves in a

7:20

situation, facilitated

7:23

by that level of exposure. There's no crime.

7:25

JJ Rettick did nothing wrong. And

7:29

initially the thought process was LeBron wasn't doing

7:31

anything wrong, until you saw Darvin Ham on

7:33

a hot seat. And when

7:35

you saw Darvin Ham on a hot seat, and then you

7:37

saw the lingo and the verbiage

7:39

and the language used in terms of them

7:41

dissecting what was transpiring on a basketball court,

7:44

for NBA games and beyond, with their

7:47

Mind the Game podcast. And

7:49

then ultimately Darvin Ham loses the job, and

7:52

JJ Rettick emerges as the top candidate for

7:54

the job. I

7:56

mean, what's wrong with saying one plus one equals two?

8:00

It's not a crime to point that out. It's

8:02

not a crime. But

8:05

uh, some do by

8:07

the name of Mr. Doug Gottlieb. Most of y'all might not

8:09

know him. I mean,

8:12

those of us in the business know him because

8:14

we respect our colleagues. But the public

8:16

in terms of your support form, ratings and things of that nature, you

8:18

might not know him. Probably

8:20

why he brought up my name in the fashion that he did.

8:22

I hope he gets him the clicks and the recognition and the

8:24

numbers that he's looking for. Because he damn

8:26

sure hasn't been showing he's getting him any other way, but I

8:28

digress. This dude,

8:32

Doug Gottlieb for

8:34

Fox Sports Radio. And

8:36

by the way, before I even go any further, let

8:39

me get this out of the way. I used to work

8:41

at Fox. My relationship

8:43

with Jim Rome goes back to my days

8:45

of working at Fox. My relationship with Skip

8:48

Bayless goes back to us working at Fox.

8:52

Contributing to shows like Jim Romes,

8:54

The Last Word and other shows.

8:57

Rob Parker, one of my

8:59

best friends on the planet, works on

9:01

Fox Sports Radio. Christopher Broussard, one of

9:03

my best friends, works on

9:05

Fox Sports Radio. Colin Cowherd,

9:08

who is an elite talent in this

9:10

business, somebody I have profound respect for

9:13

and wish was still at ESPN. If

9:15

I'm being totally honest with you, that

9:17

man works at Fox Sports Radio. So

9:21

I've got history with

9:24

folks at Fox Radio and nothing but

9:26

glowing things to say. I just saw

9:28

a former executive there, Steve Tello. Mr.

9:33

George Greenberg, mission buddy, I hope you well. David

9:37

Lee, the list goes on and

9:39

on. Don't get me started with Harry

9:41

Long, Terry Bradshaw. You understand? And

9:43

the rest of the crew, I know

9:46

them all. I got a

9:48

lot of friends over at Fox Sports Radio. Make

9:50

no mistake about it. So

9:52

this ain't about Fox Sports

9:54

Radio or throwing any shade

9:56

on them. I'm talking specifically

9:58

about Mr. Gottlieb. Whose

10:00

name I never

10:02

mentioned. Never.

10:08

I don't dislike him, I don't like him, I don't

10:10

really know him, I don't have much juice for him,

10:13

just like he apparently has no use for me,

10:15

but I never discussed him. He

10:18

has said some BS over the years, he says

10:20

some dumb shit over the years. I've never brought

10:22

it up, I don't bother

10:24

him, but this guy

10:27

goes on his show on

10:29

Thursday accusing me

10:31

of being a race baiter

10:35

for reporting that black NBA coaches

10:37

condemned JJ Reddick's podcast with LeBron

10:39

James, but before I go

10:41

any further let me quote what

10:44

Doug Gottlieb said, quote

10:47

Stephen A Smith, remember

10:49

this is him bringing up my name y'all, he started this, Stephen

10:53

A Smith is a race baiter,

10:56

he is disgraceful saying

10:59

that on national television, disgraceful.

11:04

JJ Reddick and LeBron James are clearly friends, they

11:06

have a relationship, they have mutual respect for one

11:08

another, the only one who's making it out to

11:10

be a racial thing is Stephen A Smith, he

11:13

is creating this, this is

11:15

honestly pure evil, that's

11:17

what bad people do, so I'm a

11:19

bad person now, this is what

11:21

bad people do, oh he doesn't stop there ladies and

11:23

gentlemen, this is just

11:26

as bad as the perception

11:28

that President Trump stokes the

11:30

white nationalist flame, same thing,

11:32

there's no difference, no difference,

11:34

none. So

11:37

me, I want

11:41

y'all to understand the magnitude of

11:43

what Doug Gottlieb just

11:45

said, Doug

11:49

Gottlieb just compared

11:51

my saying that

11:55

black coaches who have caught me had

11:58

a problem with the podcast. And I'll get into

12:00

that in a second, but Doug

12:02

Gottlieb is comparing that and equating

12:05

that To

12:08

Donald Trump And

12:13

white nationals So

12:16

when The

12:19

mayhem took place in Charlottesville, Virginia and

12:22

a young lady was killed and We

12:25

had folks out there marching and

12:27

white supremacists making themselves conspicuous Donald

12:30

Trump goes over the airwaves and say there

12:33

were good and bad people on both sides. That's

12:35

the equivalent of this When

12:42

there was riots in the streets during a whole social

12:44

justice movement and Donald

12:47

Trump was surrounded by men in the military Walking

12:51

over to do a prop I Believe

12:56

it was a Bible in his hand That

13:00

equates to me talking about LeBron James

13:07

Dare I say only somebody who thinks

13:09

about white nationalists would say something like

13:11

that like what Doug Gottlieb said But

13:15

I won't go there because I don't know Doug

13:17

Gottlieb like that and quite frankly, I don't want to know

13:19

him So I'm not gonna accuse

13:21

him of being anything. I'm gonna stick to what exactly

13:23

he said first things

13:26

first Doug Gottlieb was

13:28

a hell of a basketball player, which I was not Doug

13:31

Gottlieb was a guy if I remember correctly

13:33

led the nation in the sis brother had

13:35

game He's now the coach the

13:38

head basketball coach at Wisconsin Green Bay. Wish him

13:40

nothing, but the best not rooting against him We're

13:43

gonna stick to his commentary his comments right

13:45

now Black

13:51

coaches Who called me

13:53

all of them didn't call me about five or six

13:56

of them called Their

13:58

whole attitude who nobody

14:00

had a single problem against J.J. Reddick.

14:05

Nobody questioned LeBron James and J.J.

14:07

Reddick's friendship. What

14:10

they had a problem with is that the

14:12

timing of the podcast undermined

14:15

Darvin Hinn, who was on the

14:17

hot seat. And

14:21

they were asking, why would LeBron James do

14:23

that? What

14:28

does that have to do with you and

14:30

your white ass, Doug Gottlieb? Black

14:35

coaches called the black

14:37

commentator about the black athlete that

14:39

they had a problem with because

14:41

they felt he was undermining the black

14:43

coach. Nobody

14:45

said anything about J.J. Reddick.

14:48

What does it have to do with you? Now,

14:51

this is the same Doug Gottlieb who two

14:53

years ago, went after my

14:55

other good friend, Nick Wright, for

14:58

Fox Sports, his colleague there, two

15:00

years ago, because

15:02

Nick was in

15:04

favor of NIL and the

15:07

change it was facilitating because

15:09

the relatively white institutional establishments

15:12

in college sports were

15:15

taking advantage of black athletes

15:17

primarily in the sport of basketball and football.

15:20

Doug Gottlieb took exception of that

15:22

and accused Nick Wright of engaging

15:24

in fake racism. So

15:26

you the expert on racism now. That's

15:31

who Doug Gottlieb is. Really?

15:33

You? You? Really? I

15:39

mean, you got to be kidding me. So he

15:41

misquoted me. He misrepresented

15:43

and lacked context or didn't provide

15:45

context to what I was saying.

15:48

Once again, no issue with J.J. Reddick, no

15:50

issue with the podcast, no issue really with

15:52

LeBron James doing the podcast with J.J. Reddick

15:54

if it were not at a time when

15:57

Darvin Haan was on the hot seat. That's

15:59

all. But

16:01

Doug Godley, by the

16:03

way, a highly intelligent dude from what I can

16:05

tell, refused

16:09

to mention that. That

16:12

had to be on purpose. He's not

16:14

stupid. It had to be

16:16

on purpose. Sometimes

16:19

people let stuff out because they really want to get

16:21

it out of this system. Because

16:23

they really want to bitch and moan about stuff. They

16:27

ain't got the hoot spa to

16:31

really, really address it head on and be

16:33

a provocateur of content. Instead, what they want

16:35

to do is they want to find a

16:37

little nugget to piggyback off of to justify

16:40

their vitriol. You

16:42

calling me a raised beta? You're

16:47

not the first white person to do that. You won't

16:49

be the last. I got

16:51

news for you. Some black folks called me a sellout. Which

16:53

one is it? Could

16:56

it be that I'm a guy that marches

16:58

right down the middle and I prioritize being

17:00

fair? That's what

17:02

I think it would be. Well,

17:05

you fear to me, Doug Godley? You weren't. You were

17:07

inaccurate. You quoted me out of context. Your

17:10

quote, what you said, what you attributed to me was

17:12

totally false. Just go and watch the episode of First

17:14

Take. You don't know what the hell you're talking about.

17:17

Or you're dead and you're acting like you don't

17:19

know on purpose to facilitate a

17:22

discussion. What's the matter, bro? You ain't getting enough

17:24

viewers' listeners? What's up? Is that

17:27

what this is about? You

17:29

keep this up, you'll be lucky to have a

17:32

black player at Green Bay, Wisconsin. Or Wisconsin Green

17:34

Bay? That's

17:36

not what I said. Don't misrepresent me.

17:38

Don't come at me like that. And

17:42

here's another thing that Doug Godley mentioned

17:44

that I think is important

17:46

to bring up. He said, quote, that

17:48

he was a candidate in 2016 and it came

17:50

down to him and Max Kellerman. That's

17:53

a damn lie. This

17:56

is what he talked about when Skip Bayless departed and

17:58

it was between Max and Bill. Kellerman. He

18:01

was saying it was between him and Max Kellerman

18:03

to get the first take job. Ladies and gentlemen,

18:05

I am the executive producer of First Take. I

18:10

have been on the show since 2012

18:13

and from the moment Skip Bayless departed, I have

18:15

been the face of First Take and I

18:18

am telling you Doug Godley was never a

18:20

candidate for the job. That is a damn

18:22

lie. He's lying

18:24

through his teeth. That is not true.

18:28

Unless, unbeknownst to me,

18:31

somebody called him and

18:34

made him think he was a candidate because

18:36

he certainly wasn't one in my eyes. It

18:38

was never gonna happen. There was

18:40

not a number two candidate

18:42

named Doug Godley. That is false. Do

18:45

you know that today marks eight years to the day

18:47

that Skip Bayless departed from First

18:49

Take on ESPN to ultimately join

18:51

Fox Sports Radio three months later in September?

18:54

That's eight

18:56

years ago. I remember it like it was yesterday. I

18:59

can assure you Doug Godley was never a candidate for the

19:01

first take job. Now

19:03

I can't speak to who spoke to him. I

19:06

sincerely doubt anybody did because I can assure you it

19:08

wasn't going down like that because it had to go

19:10

through me and he

19:13

was never a consideration because

19:16

he wasn't a draw. Period.

19:22

Just giving you facts. So

19:24

it is what it is. I'm not gonna disrespect him.

19:27

I'm not gonna do all of this

19:29

stuff but a race baiter. I'm

19:32

the equivalent of Donald Trump with white

19:34

nationalists. Really? I mean

19:39

it's sad you

19:41

know. One of the things that

19:43

really really annoys me. Ladies and

19:45

gentlemen there's a few people in

19:49

this business I don't particularly like. I don't

19:51

mess with them. One I

19:53

despise. Everybody knows who that is. I've

19:56

already spoken on that. He's on

19:58

another level. I

20:00

just don't mess with them. I don't like them. You

20:04

know? And then there are those that I'm

20:06

just indifferent about. That's the category Doug Gottlieb would

20:08

fall under. Total indifference. Don't

20:10

think about them, don't talk about them, don't talk to them, don't really know

20:12

them, don't care to know them.

20:16

But all I'm saying is, is that no

20:19

matter what I think or how I feel about

20:21

you, fair is fair. If

20:25

you are successful, if you're getting numbers, if you're

20:27

accurate or whatever the case may be, ladies and

20:29

gentlemen, I'm going to acknowledge it. I'm

20:32

going to acknowledge it. What I'm not going to

20:35

do is purposefully go about the

20:37

business of misrepresenting what somebody said

20:41

for whatever objective

20:43

or agenda I may have. I'm

20:46

fair. I'm

20:48

fair. So in

20:50

the case of Doug Gottlieb, race baiting, fine, you

20:52

want to call me that okay, you might feel

20:55

that way. I

20:57

don't care what you think. I'm

20:59

just acknowledging it because the

21:03

percolating story is the Los Angeles Lakers, J.J. Reddick, that

21:05

has nothing to do with LeBron James, and then you

21:07

came out your ass and said what you said. But

21:11

I won't be speaking much about you because I

21:14

don't want to be irrelevant, and talking about you would make

21:16

me so. So I'm not going to

21:18

do that. But I will say, damn,

21:22

it's just amazing to me. You

21:24

know, when George Floyd was murdered,

21:29

y'all remember how white America stood up and

21:31

we're listening, we want to hear, we

21:33

want to hear, we finally want to listen, we

21:35

want to hear you. This

21:39

kind of stuff shows you don't. Because

21:42

what did I say? Black coaches

21:45

called having a problem

21:48

with LeBron James because

21:51

they felt he was undermining

21:53

Darvin Hamm strictly because

21:55

of the timing of

21:57

the podcast he was doing with J.J. Reddick.

22:00

J. Rettick, they thought it could have waited until

22:02

Darvin Ham got fired. They thought it could have

22:04

waited until the postseason. They thought it could have

22:06

waited till the summer. There's

22:10

nothing about that statement. Nothing

22:14

about those calls that involves

22:16

white people. Why

22:18

is Doug Gottlieb commenting on it?

22:22

For what? Well,

22:26

I just gave you one of the reasons. I

22:30

brought your name up. That's

22:33

probably the first time anybody's done it this week. Because

22:39

in this industry, we don't really think about you much. It's

22:44

just the truth. I'll

22:48

leave it at that. Don't

22:50

have to say more. Don't want to say more.

22:53

Not going to give you my time. I wish you nothing but

22:55

the best. Show you have a wonderful family

22:57

and stuff like that. They could be watching something like this. I don't

22:59

want to do that to you. I'm not going

23:01

to go there. But you certainly didn't think about

23:05

people who care about me when you said what you said. I'll

23:09

let you live with that. Coming up, we've

23:11

got a star studded WNBA showdown on Sunday

23:13

that could smash some previous viewership records. Plus,

23:16

I've been called out by the one and

23:18

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23:20

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23:22

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23:25

You know, I've got more to say on that, don't

23:27

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23:29

the top fighters on the planet Earth.

23:33

He's trained by somebody, you know, the brother's name is

23:35

Calvin Ford. I just had to talk to him about

23:37

Javante Davis. I needed to hear from him.

23:40

What the hell I saw Saturday night

23:42

against Frank Martin. He's coming

23:44

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let's get to them, all right? Aaliyah

25:02

Boston, more or less 16 and

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a half points on

25:08

this particular day, going

25:11

up against Atlanta and stuff. I'm

25:14

gonna say less. We're gonna go with less

25:16

today for Aaliyah Boston, all right? Not normally,

25:18

but on this particular day, I'm

25:20

gonna go with less. Let's go to the

25:23

one in the WNBA,

25:25

the two-time champion, the best player in

25:27

the land, the one and only Asia

25:30

Wilson, more or less 27 points. Hmm,

25:34

she's going up against Connecticut, I gotta

25:36

tell you. Been tough this

25:38

year. I know their defense is

25:40

something to be reckoned with. I see the

25:42

Aces struggling, even though they went on a

25:44

recent three-game losing streak and then ultimately ended

25:46

that. I'm still gonna go with less. She might

25:48

have 25, she might have 24, she might have 26. I'm

25:51

just saying it's not gonna be 27 points. I'm

25:53

gonna go with less for Asia Wilson

25:55

right here. Next on the list, the

25:57

one and only Kaitlyn Clark. less

26:00

29 and a half points

26:02

rebounds assist. Well

26:05

you know she scored like 18, 19,

26:08

20 points and had about five assists

26:10

and had about five rebounds so they

26:13

make about 29 and make about

26:15

20 to 30 that I'm gonna go with

26:17

more I'm gonna go with more Kayden because

26:19

she's going up against Atlanta let's see what she does I'm

26:21

gonna go with more on this and of course Kelsey

26:24

Mitchell more or less 17

26:27

points I'm going to

26:30

go with more on

26:32

this one as well so let's recap

26:35

that's more with Mitchell more with

26:37

Clark less with Wilson less

26:40

with Boston we'd like to usually

26:42

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26:55

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26:57

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27:56

a guy that I believe to be the biggest

27:58

box office attraction in the sport the

28:00

boxer right now, the one and only Givonta

28:02

Davis. Calvin Ford, his trainer, is on the

28:04

line with me right now. What's going

28:06

on big time? How are you, man? How

28:09

does it feel to be the guy in

28:11

the corner for Givonta Davis these days? It's

28:14

just another regular day at work, man. That's

28:16

all we treated as is work, going to

28:18

take care of business. When the contract rolls

28:20

past our deaths, it's a hit. I'm

28:24

looking at Givonta Davis, and I gotta confess to you,

28:26

Calvin. I mean, listen, I've always liked him. They

28:30

called it, you know, the call to the mini Mike as a

28:32

mini Mike Tyson for a reason. We know that it's lights out

28:34

with him. He's going to put you to sleep, no doubt about

28:36

it. But I'm going to

28:38

confess to you when I really,

28:40

really saw what I'm seeing

28:43

now. I always thought of him

28:45

as a puncher, but when

28:47

he fought Isaac Cruz,

28:50

he was 25 and 0, and he fought

28:52

that little dude, cut that little Davis, and I gotta

28:54

confess to you, Calvin. I mean, listen, I've always liked

28:56

him. I always knew, listen, they called it, the

28:59

call to the mini Mike as a mini Mike Tyson for a reason.

29:02

We know that it's lights out with him. He's going to put you

29:04

to sleep, no doubt about it. But I'm

29:06

going to confess to you when

29:08

I really, really saw what

29:10

I'm seeing now. I always thought

29:12

of him as a puncher, but

29:15

when he fought Isaac

29:17

Cruz, he was 25 and 0, and

29:20

he fought that little dude, cut that

29:22

little pit bull coming at him all

29:24

the time. And I mean, the movement,

29:27

the boxing skills, that to me was

29:29

the moment that Javante Davis hit the

29:31

scene, and I said, yo, this

29:34

is one of the best fighters in the

29:36

world. When did you know he

29:39

was one of the best fighters in the world? When

29:41

he told me to believe in him, and

29:44

that's still headed in my head today, not

29:46

as Javante Davis as

29:49

a grown man, as a kid. You

29:52

know, we was going through our trials and tribulations

29:54

and whatnot, he understand what I was going through,

29:56

getting to where he's trying to go at, where

29:58

he's at today. He just

30:01

said, believe. And one of the

30:03

main things that Mayor O'Miley put

30:06

up throughout the Baltimore City was it

30:08

had a black background and

30:11

the word was written, believe in white.

30:14

And when he said that to me, man, it's

30:16

just believe in him. And every since,

30:18

I just been believing. And

30:20

now we at this piticle of our

30:23

life is we in his

30:25

car now, you know, he's doing the

30:27

driving there. So I'm just waiting

30:29

to look at the sights. You know,

30:31

when you look at him right now, what is

30:33

it about him that makes him so special? At

30:36

this moment in time, when we see

30:38

some of the great fighters out there,

30:40

we were talking about Terrence Crawford. We've

30:42

been talking about Canelo Alvarez. We've been

30:44

talking a lot about David Benavidez, who

30:47

was in the undercard leading into the

30:49

main event this past Saturday night when

30:51

Javante Davis fought and ultimately knocked out

30:53

Frank Martin. We've seen some of the

30:55

great fighters. What is it about Javante

30:57

Davis that makes him special in your

30:59

eyes compared to any other fighter out there

31:01

in terms of what he's bringing to the table? He's

31:04

special. He's special at that

31:07

weight, that size. And

31:09

he have a real calling. It's

31:11

for the youth of the USA to

31:14

let them know through whatever you go through

31:16

in life, you're gonna go through it's just

31:18

how you finish it up. And I was

31:20

one of the things that I instilled in

31:22

him is, everybody gonna

31:24

have Rocky Rolls starting off. It's how

31:26

you finish. And he take

31:28

that to heart. It's how he put on a

31:30

performance and how he's gonna finish. I

31:33

watched him and one of the things that impressed me

31:35

and I remember in the press conference promoting the fight

31:37

because you had spoken to the same press conference as

31:40

well. And it's little stuff, doing what I do for

31:42

a living. You pick up on little nuggets of stuff.

31:44

When I covered basketball, I used to have the

31:47

sick court side. So cats used to walk right

31:49

by me entering a game because I was

31:51

at the scorer's table. So I could see him. I could

31:53

look in their eyes. I could see it. And

31:55

then I'm looking at boxing and I'm looking at a guy

31:57

like Jevonta Davis. And I said, wait a minute, y'all. He

32:01

looked at Frank Martin during a press conference

32:03

and he said, you really, really should have

32:05

waited. You really, really should have waited. He

32:07

said, you're not ready yet, you good, but

32:09

you not ready yet. And I said, you

32:11

hear a lot of fighters talking, I'm gonna

32:13

kick your ass, I'm gonna knock you out.

32:15

Sure, Gervonta gonna say that too. But

32:18

he was saying to the kid, you

32:20

a kid compared to me, you're not

32:22

ready. What was it, I mean, is

32:24

that him with every fight? Or

32:27

did he see something different from

32:29

Frank Martin going into his life?

32:32

You understand he's coming into his awakeness

32:34

of becoming who he's proposed to

32:36

become. Canelo, Floyd,

32:40

Tyson, all the

32:42

great ones speaks about him. We

32:45

wouldn't be here if not the work that he was

32:47

saying. And Martin, he

32:50

squeezed into the big

32:52

four. It's like Pit Bull, he

32:54

was a, how would you

32:56

say, a guy was a fill in

32:59

and he went to distance with Tank and

33:01

whatnot and that's how Pit Bull came famous.

33:05

Rollie, Rollie kept running his mouth. So

33:07

now you get in this, this narrative

33:09

that everybody said, well, I'm

33:11

gonna talk about, I beat him up and spawn.

33:13

Get what I'm saying? So that's the new thing

33:15

they talk about, spawn, spawn and spawn. But when

33:18

you get under them lights and get,

33:21

you get under them lights, it's a different beast.

33:24

I said, Frank Martin, I don't give a damn what you did

33:26

to spawn. I mean, who cares? Spawn is

33:28

when you try and stuff out, correct me if

33:30

I roll, you the trainer, not me, Cal. I

33:32

mean, you're supposed to try stuff, you experimenting to

33:34

spawn. But you can, I

33:36

saw Jivante and Jivante was like, you

33:38

lying. Well, you mean you buckled my

33:40

knees. You lying. And then

33:43

I'm telling folks, he walked out and

33:45

opened it walked right

33:47

to him and was like, stagger me

33:49

now, buckle my knees now. Am I

33:51

lying? Am I lying when I say

33:54

that? You ain't lying. You ain't lying. I

33:56

sit there and say this. I

33:58

used to get on tank a lot. when he was

34:00

little. When he was little, his

34:03

friends used to call him when they got

34:05

into some trouble and whatnot. And

34:08

steady they fighting their battles. Tank used to

34:10

do it. He used to walk up on jokers and hit him

34:12

right in their mouth. He don't see no little

34:14

kid doing that. Oh. So, when

34:16

I see Tank getting up, he'll get up in

34:18

the middle of the morning and say, yo, let's go spawn.

34:20

I ain't nowhere around. He'll

34:23

just go with his day in and day in guys and

34:25

go spawn. No, nothing. Go right

34:28

in somebody's gym, say, y'all want to work. Get what I'm saying?

34:31

So, when that happens, I know what he's

34:33

doing. Get what I'm saying? That's his peace

34:35

moment. You know, he want

34:37

to get in that ring and just be at peace and

34:39

get stuff off his shoulders. So, when guys be high, I'm,

34:41

oh, yeah, I spawn. The first thing I

34:43

asked was out there. You

34:46

know, they see not a coach Cal

34:48

when he was good. Because when I'm there, the

34:50

same results happen. That's like when

34:52

he sparred in Devon, I mean, in

34:54

Floyd's gym, just getting off the

34:56

plane, not in shape, and was getting in that work. You

34:58

know? So, when I sit there and say that it's a

35:01

difference when he's stepping that ring for a real fight, we

35:04

see what's happening. Only two guys... Only

35:08

two guys, one guy that tanked and eat the right

35:11

food, like I told him. And he was

35:13

the first guy that missed it. But the rest

35:15

of them, he been laying them out. And I don't train them for

35:17

knockouts. I do not like knockouts. Because the first

35:19

thing they say was an easy shot. Uh,

35:22

it was a lucky shot. I like punishing them.

35:24

And when he punishing the joker, I'm happy. You

35:26

get what I'm saying? I don't like for him

35:28

to get hit. You know? But it's

35:30

something about... And that fight, man, I'm

35:32

gonna tell you, if you go back and really watch

35:34

that fight, Martin hit him dead

35:37

in his face. What are you

35:39

talking about? Frank Martin. Talk about the Frank Martin fight. Yeah,

35:42

the Frank Martin fight. Listen to what I'm saying. I

35:44

looked at that tank. I looked at that tank

35:46

in his face. And you know how you

35:48

can see the words, somebody typing the

35:50

words out his mouth? And the tank looked at him

35:52

at the moment. I called him... I called him as

35:54

a point in the fight where you have

35:56

dead spots. And he looked at him,

35:58

looked right in his face and said... I said, yo, hit

36:00

me my face. And Martin, do

36:03

that left hand, hit him right in

36:05

his eye. Blam! He

36:07

didn't even buckle. And

36:10

he, and I, it seemed like I seen

36:12

the words coming from his, from his, from

36:14

his head saying, that's all you got? And

36:17

man, he started opening up on him and Martin pushed

36:20

that button and that was the button. So,

36:22

you know, for I, would I see anybody

36:24

that pushed that button there? I

36:27

feel sorry for them, because they don't know what they gonna get. Well,

36:30

I think you're absolutely right at the lightweight

36:32

division, because at 135, Tank

36:35

just seems powerful. He just seems, he

36:37

just too gifted, too strong, too powerful.

36:39

And you're almost asking him to move

36:41

up and wait just to spare people

36:43

for crying out loud. But I know

36:46

Shakur Stevenson is asking for some of

36:48

it. I know that.

36:50

And people talk about Lomanchenko or

36:52

whatever. To me personally, I wanna

36:54

see him fight Garcia again. I

36:56

wanna see him fight a Tiafimo

36:58

Lopez, somebody like that, that's

37:01

got some power. Somebody that has the potential

37:03

to inflict some pain upon him, because I

37:05

don't know if anybody can do it. And

37:07

I've totally lost it with David Haney. After

37:09

what I saw Ryan Garcia do to him,

37:12

even though Ryan Garcia was a bit bulked

37:14

up, the bottom line is, Devin Haney took

37:16

a beating and imagine what Tank would do.

37:19

Well, all of them

37:21

already know. To tell you

37:23

the truth, they just wanna get the paycheck. I'm

37:27

like this, if the contract

37:29

come past your death, your deaths, don't

37:32

worry about the money. If you say you can beat him,

37:34

just take whatever. And I say that

37:36

because I remember when Paul Williams bought Margarita and

37:38

Paul was training at my gym, he was just

37:40

coast boarding past there to get some work. And

37:43

I said, Paul, if you really want that fight,

37:45

you really know you can beat him? Ask

37:48

me, I only want a little bit of money, just give

37:50

me the fight. Man. Who

37:52

do you want to see you as a guy that's

37:54

in his training as like a father figure to him,

37:56

you're training him all the time, you know him. Both

37:59

y'all from the streets. Baltimore a whole bit. Who

38:01

do you want to see tank fight next? I

38:03

want him to get all of them that ran

38:06

their mouth. Give

38:09

me the name. I need names Calvin. I

38:11

need names. You already know. Already we went

38:13

down and we we've worked on the big

38:15

four. It was God said that's

38:18

the first one. Roma

38:22

hope we get him soon. Shakur he's going to

38:24

get it. He know he's going to get it.

38:27

It's just Bob is in charge of that. Bob

38:29

know what he doing over there. You can't tell

38:31

Bob how to run his game because he's like

38:34

a vet at this. He's been doing it for

38:36

so many years. That's going to happen. All the

38:38

fights that we that we want. They have no

38:40

choice. They want to take the fight when it's

38:42

time to take the fight. It's just right now

38:44

who's going to take the fight. That's the question.

38:47

When you see Jevonta Davis he's fighting

38:49

in the one thirty now one thirty

38:52

five obviously lightweight. Go up to 140.

38:54

Any possibility he's going to go up

38:56

to a 147 someday in the near

38:58

future. Anything like that. Is that possible.

39:01

Time would tell. I'm looking at how we wait

39:03

how he's weighing in there. I get the same.

39:06

And I'm taking the page out of Martin Hagler.

39:08

He ruled his weight class for so many years.

39:10

You're saying. So if I fill this door right

39:12

and we fill this door we don't have to

39:14

go up there. What's the point. They come to

39:16

us. They know what time it is. You

39:19

want them big dollars. You got to come see team. I

39:23

agree with you. I just don't know if

39:26

there's any. Listen Jevonta is the draw. No

39:28

question about it. I personally believe he should

39:30

be the biggest draw in boxing right now

39:32

because the brother delivers. It's just that simple.

39:34

It's just that simple. He shows up in

39:36

the ring and he handles his business. I

39:38

got to give credit and props where it's

39:40

due. My question is I

39:42

don't know if there's anybody that's worthy

39:44

of being in the ring with him

39:46

in his weight class to make that

39:48

big of a fight at

39:51

this point. That's my concern. Not him.

39:53

The competition. He went up to 140.

39:56

He won that fight with tank because he was

39:58

very happy with it. Like I. He's

40:00

gonna get what he asking for. Just do they want to

40:02

take the money that's made an offer for it for them?

40:06

You know, so you just got to wait and

40:08

see, man. Like, I always sit there and say, here's the

40:10

bees that put the money up first before the fight happens.

40:14

You know what I'm saying? They got to make sure the

40:16

numbers make sense. And a lot of their

40:18

numbers ain't what it is to our numbers. So

40:20

they have to make sense because they ask for some

40:23

crazy numbers. You know what I'm saying?

40:25

And they're not putting the answers in the seat. What

40:27

does it take to be a great

40:29

trainer in boxing in this day and age? Man, it's different, man.

40:33

I call these kids now microwave babies. But

40:35

if you got a old school coach that

40:37

believes old school and

40:40

the kid is willing to buy into

40:42

the system because that's the most important thing is buying into the

40:44

system of what they're

40:46

preaching, what they're delivering, and

40:48

actually put more work in than the

40:50

coach, you

40:54

can get another great fighter to come from anywhere. How

40:57

do we know when a fight

41:00

takes place and it's the boxer as

41:03

opposed to the trainer or vice versa? I asked

41:05

that question. Derrick

41:07

James, I got mad respect for him. But

41:10

Errol Spence Jr. got beat real bad by Terrence Crawford.

41:12

And obviously, we saw what happened. Yeah, I thought that

41:14

was going to be a roller coaster. That's fight. That's

41:16

fight. Mess me up because I thought it. I never

41:18

thought it would happen like that. Two

41:21

of the baddest fighters in the world at 147, man.

41:24

They just looked at one side. Our shell shock. I

41:27

never thought that Terrence Crawford would be able to. I

41:29

had Terrence Crawford win in that fight by decision. I

41:32

never knew that it would be that lopsided that

41:34

he would outclass Errol Spence Jr. that bad. It

41:37

was so bad, I didn't think that Errol Spence, I'm glad

41:39

Errol Spence Jr. hasn't fought in the last year. I'm very

41:41

happy about that. What

41:43

about you? Well, I wanted him. I

41:45

said that in one of my podcasts. I said

41:47

that and said, Errol should take some time out,

41:50

spend some time with this kid, enjoy

41:52

life right now. And really evaluate his

41:55

life for his boxing. You get what

41:57

I'm saying? Because all the issues... he's

42:00

been going through as far as health

42:02

car accidents and, you know, a

42:04

lot of things he's been going through. So, you

42:06

know, you really have to evaluate your body and

42:08

you know yourself better than anyone. Ideally,

42:11

I know you would take on all

42:13

comers or whatever. Your dream matchup, if

42:16

you had one more fight left before

42:18

you decided to retire, and

42:21

you wanted Javante Davis against one

42:23

opponent to end your career

42:26

as a trainer, the last thing you wanna see,

42:29

the greatest thing you'd wanna see for him, who would

42:31

that fight be against? Tank

42:33

against tank? That's the

42:35

only person that's gonna be tank. I'm just telling you.

42:39

The only person that's gonna be tank. The

42:43

only person that's gonna be, it's the

42:45

reason why tank is here. I'm

42:47

just that voice in his ear that know how to

42:49

push them buttons. And we still ain't

42:52

see greatness yet. You know what

42:54

I'm saying? Everybody talk about this quartermaster boxer,

42:56

but at the end of the day, with

42:58

Tank Duke, he's setting everybody

43:00

on notice. And

43:02

I'm trying to give them the blueprint, accept the

43:05

money, and see, can you beat him? Accept

43:08

the money and see, can you beat him? Well, my attitude

43:10

is this, if you know there's a good chance that you're

43:12

gonna get your ass kicked, why not just

43:14

take it, why not just try to get as much

43:16

money as you can so it'll be worth it once

43:18

you get the ass kick? That would be my thinking,

43:21

Calvin. I agree with you, but the heads look at

43:23

the numbers. One thing I

43:25

know about this business, they sit around the table and

43:27

see what you have been bringing to

43:29

the table in the past. And

43:31

when you start asking for certain things, people on

43:34

that side will say, they say, nah, you ain't

43:36

worthy of that. You

43:38

talk about Frank Martin, big mistake, pushed that

43:40

button, Gervonta said, punch me in the face, hit me

43:42

in the face, and he did it, bow with the

43:44

left, and he didn't even blink. I

43:47

think the biggest mistake he made was

43:49

in the fourth round, deciding that he was gonna be

43:51

on the ropes more. What the hell was he thinking,

43:54

going on the ropes against Tank Davis?

43:56

I thought that was a mistake. If

43:58

you watch some of his fights, he does it. speaks

56:00

highly of them, got nothing but love and

56:02

respect for them, the whole bit. And

56:06

I should not have put Paul George in

56:08

that position. So

56:11

Paul George is absolutely right. And

56:14

anybody that thinks that I took issue

56:16

or I take issue with anything that

56:18

Paul George said there, they are wrong.

56:20

They don't know me, it's not true.

56:22

Paul George is right. My

56:24

bad, bro. I should have been

56:27

more thoughtful. I really should. I

56:29

haven't said that. If

56:32

Paul George wasn't there, I

56:36

would not have given a shit. I

56:38

meant every word I said, although

56:41

it was tongue in cheek and playful. I

56:43

meant that shit. I'm

56:46

not, and for clarification purposes,

56:48

so Paul George and podcast people understand this,

56:51

him and his crew of boys who I

56:53

like, by the way. Let's

56:55

be very clear. I'm

56:58

never questioning the legitimacy of

57:00

Kawhi Leonard's injuries. I

57:03

know the injury is real. I

57:05

know he wishes he could play more. I

57:08

know he's not faking it. I

57:10

would never accuse a professional athlete, any

57:12

athlete of such an egregious thing. What

57:15

I'm saying is, he always makes

57:18

sure to get his damn money though. And

57:21

he always makes sure to get the perks that

57:24

he clamors for. You

57:26

got to remember he held the Clippers hostage to get

57:28

Paul George. Don't

57:30

let me even pick up the stats and

57:32

remind you or the numbers or the information

57:34

and remind you of what the Clippers gave

57:37

up to the Oklahoma City Thunder in order

57:39

to acquire Paul George. It was Kawhi Leonard

57:41

that sat up there and blackmailed the Los

57:44

Angeles Clippers by saying I'm going to the

57:46

Los Angeles Lakers with LeBron and AD if

57:48

y'all don't get Paul George up in here.

57:52

And Steve Ballman and the Clippers couldn't let

57:54

Kawhi Leonard, LeBron James and Anthony Davis be

57:57

in a purple and gold for the Los Angeles Lakers.

58:00

It wouldn't have been fair. So

58:03

that's what they did. That's

58:06

what they did. And they gave up

58:08

Shay Gil, just Alexander. Remember that? Remember

58:11

that? So I'm

58:13

telling you, yo, you

58:16

make sure to do all of

58:18

that to get your dollars, to get your paper,

58:20

to make get every perk you can get. But

58:23

you're never available for when it really,

58:25

really counts. I believe that Paul George

58:27

with Kawhi Leonard have a

58:29

legitimate shot to win the championship. I

58:32

don't think Dallas beats the Clippers if

58:34

Kawhi Leonard plays in that series. I

58:38

don't believe that the Clippers could not

58:40

beat Oklahoma City, or

58:43

could not beat Minnesota

58:45

if Paul George and

58:47

Kawhi Leonard are on

58:49

the court together. Kawhi

58:51

Leonard is almost never

58:53

available when it counts. He's missed

58:55

46% of his regular season games,

58:57

60% of his playoff games. Come

59:01

on now. I ain't making this up.

59:05

So I stand by what I

59:07

said now. I

59:10

just shouldn't have done it with Paul George sitting

59:12

there, because that

59:14

put him in a bad spot. So

59:17

for that, Paul George is right. And

59:20

I apologize. I rock with Paul George. I rock

59:22

with P.J. And Draymond

59:24

and I haven't spoken or whatever. Dog, you don't ever

59:26

have to speak to me again, Dray. I love you,

59:28

bro. I'm gonna rock with you always. So

59:32

we good. But when

59:34

you're wrong, you gotta be man enough to acknowledge

59:36

that you was wrong. I didn't

59:38

really, I didn't do it intentionally, and I

59:40

didn't think about Paul George being on that

59:43

set. And how we laugh

59:45

and laugh and how Kawhi could have looked at it

59:47

as him laughing at Kawhi. No, Kawhi

59:49

was not doing that. It was

59:51

that I was kind of funny at the moment and they

59:53

were all laughing and we were on TV and we were

59:55

doing a television show. But I didn't

59:57

give much thought to it and I should've. because

1:00:00

I'm the pro, and I should have

1:00:03

thought more about putting Paul George in that position.

1:00:05

That's my bad. But I

1:00:07

meant that shit I said about Kawhi Leonard. I

1:00:11

still mean that shit. And

1:00:14

I'm gonna continue to meet it until

1:00:16

the brother is available

1:00:19

to play in the playoffs. I'm

1:00:22

at a point right now, Paul George, I don't give a

1:00:24

damn if Kawhi Leonard plays 20 games during a regular season.

1:00:26

If it means he'll be healthy, come play outside. I'm

1:00:29

not desperate. I'm not desperate to see

1:00:31

him in the playoffs. I really want

1:00:33

to see him there, dropping

1:00:35

38-1 game, walking off the court,

1:00:38

looking perfectly healthy. And then the next day he ain't

1:00:40

available for the rest of the playoffs. This

1:00:42

is what we've seen. That's

1:00:45

where I stand with it, bro. But

1:00:49

I won't make that mistake again with you on the set. My

1:00:51

bad. By now, by the

1:00:54

way, transitioning to another subject. You know that

1:00:56

the Boston Celtics were training NBA champions, right?

1:00:58

And that final MVP honors went to Jaylen

1:01:00

Brown, right? Well, Brown

1:01:02

had an interesting shirt on that seemed

1:01:04

to be aimed at moi while

1:01:07

holding the MVP trophy, preparing

1:01:10

for the parade. Take a look at this,

1:01:12

y'all. How we feeling, JB?

1:01:15

Thank you, man. You ready? You ready? Yes,

1:01:17

sir. Here we go. That

1:01:19

shirt states your sources. He was

1:01:21

referring to comments I made stating an

1:01:23

anonymous source that told me that Jaylen

1:01:26

Brown's quote-unquote attitude was hurting his marketability.

1:01:29

Even though I didn't say about attitude, I said

1:01:31

he's not likable to something, some people's eyes. That's

1:01:34

what I specifically said. No

1:01:38

problem. State your

1:01:40

source. That's not gonna happen. It'll

1:01:43

never happen. Any journalist worth his

1:01:45

salt ain't naming his sources. Says get that out

1:01:47

of the way first. Number

1:01:50

two. Did

1:01:55

y'all know that Jaylen Brown's

1:01:58

mama came up to me to give me a hug? in

1:02:00

Dallas. The

1:02:04

day that they got annihilated in Dallas, they were

1:02:06

down by 48 points, and they

1:02:10

lost that game they got shellacked

1:02:12

before winning game five, that's game four. Mama came

1:02:14

up to me. Do you

1:02:16

know who came up to me hours

1:02:19

later that evening after

1:02:21

Mama had come up to me to give me a big hug? Mama,

1:02:25

Jalen Brown's Mama. You know who

1:02:27

came up to me? You

1:02:31

know, Grandma. Now

1:02:36

I know he had a death in the family that

1:02:38

he alluded to and God bless her wonderful soul and

1:02:44

what have you. That's who was introduced to me

1:02:46

by his brother by the way. Do

1:02:48

you know what they said? They

1:02:51

thanked me. You

1:02:54

know why they thanked me? Because they

1:02:56

got the message. I

1:02:58

have no problem with Jalen Brown. I

1:03:01

got no but love for Jalen Brown. A

1:03:05

black dude, highly intelligent,

1:03:08

great player, incredible role

1:03:10

model, don't get in any trouble.

1:03:13

His head is on right, disciplined,

1:03:17

focused, tenacious, successful,

1:03:21

wealthy now with his new $304 million

1:03:23

contract from last summer and oh by

1:03:25

the way he's a champion. Where

1:03:29

the endorsement deals? Why

1:03:32

have I been seeing Jason Tatum in every

1:03:35

damn commercial? How

1:03:37

can we see all of these teammates

1:03:39

from A.D. and LeBron to you

1:03:41

know PG and Kawhi to Steph

1:03:43

and Clay and the list goes

1:03:45

on and on. Why do we

1:03:47

see all of these brothers with

1:03:51

marketing opportunities but we don't see

1:03:54

the same potato with Brown? I

1:03:58

wasn't calling out like

1:04:00

Brown did something wrong, I

1:04:04

was highlighting the fact that

1:04:06

he's all the things you

1:04:08

should want in

1:04:11

a role model who's an athlete and

1:04:13

Madison Avenue ain't giving him enough

1:04:15

shine and attention. And

1:04:18

asking the question, why is that? That's

1:04:22

all I was doing. Because

1:04:25

that's how you provoke conversation. By

1:04:28

talking about the absence of obvious

1:04:30

nuggets that should be inserted and

1:04:32

implemented into a conversation. That's

1:04:35

how you do it. And

1:04:38

the reality is that

1:04:40

when it came to Jaylen

1:04:42

Brown, that

1:04:44

wasn't happening. So

1:04:48

name your source, name your source, hell no.

1:04:51

You ain't getting it. But know

1:04:53

that people out there saying that. But

1:04:55

his family sort of hand

1:04:58

writing on the wall and they appreciate it. Why I highlighted

1:05:00

it. I highlighted it because

1:05:03

this conscientious brother who's on

1:05:05

the front line during the

1:05:07

whole social justice movement, who's

1:05:09

been a conscientious observer, who

1:05:11

talked about taking his money and contributing

1:05:13

to the Boston community, to

1:05:16

the impoverished and desolate and

1:05:18

disenfranchised in their surrounding areas

1:05:20

and beyond, who shined

1:05:22

a spotlight on it and had the press

1:05:24

conference to announce his new signing in that locale.

1:05:28

What this brother is doing, what he's aiming to

1:05:30

do, is

1:05:32

special. Why

1:05:36

should I have a problem with that? Why

1:05:38

should anybody have a problem with that? If you're

1:05:40

Jaylen Brown and you are watching, could you please

1:05:42

do me a favor and go back and listen

1:05:45

to what I said and

1:05:47

truly inhale and dissect what

1:05:49

I was saying? I

1:05:53

wasn't saying they were right. I was saying they were

1:05:55

wrong, but you needed to be aware of the fact that some people are

1:05:57

out there saying this about you. Don't

1:06:00

you want to know where the bodies lie? Don't

1:06:03

you want to know what's being said? Don't you

1:06:05

want to know what's specifically to debunk? If

1:06:12

you don't know what you're targeting, you're swinging at air.

1:06:17

And I've happened to believe that's counterproductive. That's

1:06:20

all I did. Nothing more, nothing less.

1:06:25

So whereas I could apologize to podcast

1:06:27

P, Paul

1:06:29

George himself, for

1:06:31

saying what I said about Kawhi Leonard while on

1:06:33

that set, while Paul George was on that set,

1:06:36

I owe Jaylen Brown no apology. I owe nobody an

1:06:38

apology for what I said about Jaylen Brown because I

1:06:40

am right. He

1:06:43

deserves to be liked. He deserves to be respected

1:06:45

and revered. He deserves the

1:06:47

shine that he received when he got the

1:06:50

MVP award. And you know last point I'll

1:06:52

make, Jaylen Brown, and

1:06:54

I'm speaking directly to you, Jaylen Brown, why

1:06:57

you cover your face and look like you were damn

1:06:59

near ready to cry when they named you NBA

1:07:01

Finals MVP. You

1:07:04

know why? Because you

1:07:06

were just as shocked as a lot

1:07:08

of people were. Because you never thought they'd

1:07:10

give it to you. You know why? Because

1:07:13

the respect that you have earned, that

1:07:15

you so richly deserved, is what you

1:07:18

have been denied for years,

1:07:21

which only accentuates and illuminates the

1:07:23

original freaking point I was making.

1:07:28

One day, y'all will learn

1:07:30

to listen to what I'm saying

1:07:33

instead of just fretting

1:07:36

and hating over who's

1:07:38

saying it. Listen

1:07:41

to the content and the substance of what I'm breaking down

1:07:43

to you. I'm

1:07:46

blocking your ears. I'm

1:07:51

more horned from there. Coming up! You

1:07:54

know I can't stand why people tell their personal business to

1:07:56

the world, you know. I've always hated that shit. like

1:14:00

that. I mean R. Kelly. Listen,

1:14:03

I never bring him up because I wanted his ass

1:14:05

under the jail with what he did. Okay. But

1:14:08

now that he's got 30 years, I

1:14:10

could say when a woman's fed up,

1:14:14

there ain't nothing you could do about it. See,

1:14:16

I can say that now. You know, I didn't

1:14:18

listen to R. Kelly, by the way, as I

1:14:20

digress. I didn't listen to R. Kelly when his

1:14:22

ass was free because

1:14:24

I knew he deserved to be under the damn jail. Okay.

1:14:26

With the stuff he did. I didn't, I

1:14:29

didn't think he deserved, I wouldn't listen to

1:14:31

his music, but I'm all right to listen

1:14:33

to his music now because he's in jail

1:14:35

for 30 years. Damn right. So

1:14:37

I can say that. I just want to be clear. Normally

1:14:40

I wouldn't bring him up, but I'm fine

1:14:42

with it now knowing that he's in jail. It reminds

1:14:44

me, he's right, right where he belongs. Now

1:14:47

let me get back to what I was saying. Y'all

1:14:49

never ask about a man when he's fed up. Why

1:14:55

don't y'all go there? You

1:14:58

see, you're

1:15:00

fed up as a woman. You don't want nothing to do with

1:15:02

him. He

1:15:04

fed up. He's still going to want some of the cookie until

1:15:08

he does. He's

1:15:10

still going to want whatever perks he's getting with

1:15:13

you until he doesn't want

1:15:15

it no more. But

1:15:17

he already left because

1:15:21

he knows you

1:15:23

disrespected him or

1:15:26

betrayed him. You're

1:15:28

done. You don't even know

1:15:32

that is absolutely positively true. And

1:15:35

a lot of cases with men, am I lying? Am

1:15:37

I lying? Am I lying to you? It's

1:15:39

totally true. Totally true. We

1:15:42

don't play that shit. We

1:15:46

ain't like that. It's just that

1:15:50

why bother? You

1:15:52

see, let me

1:15:54

go on a love Dr. mode, you know, and I would say

1:15:56

love Dr. I love Martin Lawrence so much, but let me go

1:15:58

into this mode right here. Could

1:20:00

that, could you peel from

1:20:02

that? Would a

1:20:04

husband of yours, who you have four kids

1:20:06

with? I

1:20:09

met the woman once, she's a nice lady. I'm

1:20:12

not casting any aspersions on her

1:20:14

character or anything like that. I would

1:20:16

never disrespect Matthew Staffer's wife or anybody

1:20:18

else's wife. I'm just making the

1:20:20

point. What would make

1:20:22

you think that's okay? Why

1:20:26

would you do that? Why?

1:20:35

Men are pissed off enough when

1:20:38

you do some of those kinds. He's

1:20:44

gone. No

1:20:46

matter how much she loves them. But

1:20:49

here's my point to the ladies out there. How

1:20:53

is it that y'all know that men have egos?

1:20:58

And males are ego

1:21:00

dominant. But

1:21:03

you forget that when it come to your own man.

1:21:07

What could possibly make you, if

1:21:09

you are Mrs. Stafford, what

1:21:12

could possibly make

1:21:14

you think that it is

1:21:16

okay for you to go home after

1:21:19

revealing to the public, I

1:21:22

kicked it with his backup. What

1:21:27

possible, possible advantage. Could that, could you peel from

1:21:29

that with

1:21:32

a husband of yours who

1:21:34

you have four kids with? I

1:21:39

met the woman once, she's a nice lady. I'm not

1:21:41

casting any aspersions on her character or anything like that.

1:21:43

I would never disrespect Matthew Staffer's wife or

1:21:46

anybody else's wife. I'm just making the point. What

1:21:50

would make you think that's okay?

1:21:53

Why would you do that? Why?

1:22:05

Men are pissed off enough when

1:22:08

you do

1:22:13

some of those kinds of things that

1:22:15

somebody may do. Where

1:22:19

you take it to another level is

1:22:21

when you emasculate him. And

1:22:25

emasculation sometimes is

1:22:28

simply a willingness to

1:22:34

let your business be known to the

1:22:37

masses instead of keeping

1:22:39

your marriage in house and

1:22:41

your private matters private. That's

1:22:46

when I got on Jada Pinkett Smith. I

1:22:48

might not have liked certain decisions and things

1:22:50

of that nature, but my issue with her

1:22:52

was the public declarations and

1:22:55

the public humiliation of will.

1:22:57

He didn't deserve that. Keep

1:23:01

it private. That's all I'm saying. That's

1:23:04

all I'm saying. Let

1:23:07

me get to the tweets before I get on out of here, please. Show

1:23:09

them up for me, please. Let me do a couple of tweets before I

1:23:12

get on out of here for the different weekend. Oh

1:23:14

my God. Dan Olofsky,

1:23:17

my buddy at ESPN. Oh

1:23:20

my Lord. This

1:23:22

is unbelievable. I can't believe he sent in a

1:23:24

tweet. This is ridiculous. I love

1:23:26

him though. I love him to death. Stephen A

1:23:28

Smith, where do you rank these jellies for peanut

1:23:30

butter and jelly? Grape

1:23:32

strawberry blackberry raspberry. First

1:23:36

of all, understand something about Dan. Dan is nasty.

1:23:39

You know, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, knowing Dan, he

1:23:41

probably put mayonnaise with peanut butter. I don't know

1:23:43

what, I don't know. I don't put anything past

1:23:45

him. Something wrong with him. But he's a great

1:23:47

guy and a great NFL analyst, by the way.

1:23:49

I love him to death. But

1:23:52

here's the deal. Blackberry

1:23:54

and raspberry ain't even in the mix. It

1:23:57

would either be grape or strawberry.