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What's up, everybody.

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Welcome to the latest edition of The Stephen Nate Smith Show,

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coming at you as I love to do every weekday over the digital

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airwaves of YouTube. Usually

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I'm getting into sports first. Usually

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I'm sitting up there telling you about my book and telling

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you about my subscribers, never failing to give

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thanks and proper gratitude to

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those who have supported me, because I wouldn't be here if

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it wasn't for y'all. But at

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the end of the day, I'm

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in the news business, and there's

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some news that's popping off right now that

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is simply unavoidable. There's no way to slice

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it, and it has nothing to do with sports. I

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wanted to clear right here over

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these digital airwaves of YouTube that

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the career of showing P Diddy Combs

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as we know it, it's over.

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This shit is over.

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It's over in the worst possible

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way, the worst possible ways

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you can imagine.

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These are the latest developments. Okay.

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Exclusive surveillance video obtained

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by CNN appears to

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show the music mogul

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assaulting his then girlfriend, Cassie Ventur

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at a hotel in twenty sixteen. In

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the video, Combs can be seen striking

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and kicking Venturer as

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she tried to leave. I have the video

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right in front of me. We can't show it to you. We

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can't show it to you, but I'm watching

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this with the sound off as

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we speak. She's walking

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down the hallway in a hoodie, y'all, clearly

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trying to sneak out of the hotel room. We

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see him come sprinting

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down the hallway.

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In just a towel. That's

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it.

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He goes up to her, he

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snatches up by the neck yanks

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her to the ground.

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She lays there still. Okay,

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I'm looking at the video. I'm looking

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at the.

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Video while I'm talking to you. He

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snatches up by the neck. Unless this is

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some look alike, unless it does some clone,

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is less. This is somebody that's

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like permission impossible, like Tom Cruise

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wearing somebody else's face looking

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exactly.

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Like them when it ain't then.

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At all, Unless there's

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something along those lines, this is

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what we're looking at here. And I

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see you see the stills right

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there in the screen, and I get that. But

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I'm telling you right now, i'm watching this as

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we speak, and

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I've seen this video.

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Now because I want to make sure I know what I'm

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looking at. This is about the tenth time that

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I looked at it. He runs

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down, he snatches her

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body neck, he yanks it to the ground.

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She lays still.

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Then he launches a kick towards her

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like he's kicking a damn field goal, picks

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up the vase or whatever she had with a kicks

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again, hits

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her. She lays

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still, and then after that he

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grabs her and drags

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her.

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Down the hallway.

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And then there's additional video showing him

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sitting in the hotel room picking

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up stuff throwing it at her.

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Ladies and gentlemen. I cover sports

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primarily. That's my day job. Remember

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ray Rice, Remember

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what happened like twenty fourteen

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win His

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girl was in the elevator and

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she either shoved him or hit him, and then he checked

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left, hook her and hit

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her and knocked her face into the

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bar inside the elevator.

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She hit her head to it, and then she laid

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on the floor unconscious

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in the elevator, straight up knocked out.

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And then after that he didn't

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even pick her up, and he dragged out of the elevator.

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This video.

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Allegedly supposedly presumably

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seemingly whatever words

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appropriate with

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P Diddy, Sewan, P Diddy Combs, this

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is worse. We

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saw those videos. We saw the video from Atlantic

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City where Ray Rice years ago. We saw that many

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times over. We

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saw the the collateral impact

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it had on the NFL, the world of sports and beyond,

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because it heightened a level of

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sensitivity towards domestic violence

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and showed that level of awareness to such

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a degree that it permeates

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our thoughts and our minds.

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Hearts to this.

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Day and age in this day,

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ladies and gentlemen, this is worse.

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I'm looking at the video again. This

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is worse.

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No wonder he settled the case with

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Cassie Ventura one day after

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she had followed the suit against him one day.

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No wonder.

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You've heard about so many different allegations

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when his homes in Los Angeles

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and Miami were raided by Homeland

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Security.

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This is bad.

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This is so bad. It's hard to put in the words.

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I don't know how P

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Diddy recovers from this. I don't know

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if he can. The only way is

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if it's proven that that video.

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That's not him, that's

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not him. It's the only way. There's

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no other way.

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There's no other way, No, what do we

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haven't seen him? Only

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time you caught him when somebody's.

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Doing a video with him at a coffee shop.

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I mean, at one point in time we

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were talking about sex trafficking, those

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allegations him being compared

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to Jeffrey Epstein or whatever. But those allegations,

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which he's emphatically denied.

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This is a video. It's

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not even a picture. It's a video.

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You see him sprinting down the hallway.

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Damn sure it looked like him. To say, mission impossible.

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It looked like him. It seems

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to be him.

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And if it's proven to be him, and

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this video is authentic, and

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we have no reason to believe that CNN,

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of all places, would air an

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inauthentic video flagrantly

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clearly incriminating P Diddy,

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we have no reason to believe otherwise.

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I think his career is over.

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This ain't to set the nineties, the eighties,

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the seventies, the sixties. Now that

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shit don't fly, and this day and age, you can't get

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away with that. You

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never should have been able to ever, ever ever

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in life, and

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sure shouldn't take a video to speak ten

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thousand words. But damn it, it does

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compare to word of mouth or compared to

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the written word. When you see the video,

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it's an entirely different connotation

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that comes to a different feeling.

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I might suspect some

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shit about you when I hear about it.

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When I see it, There's

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no way around this.

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This ain't funny at all. And

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yes, that was twenty and sixteen. Well

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you acting like that in twenty and sixteen. Who's to believe

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you didn't do it in twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen,

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two thousand, ninete, twenty twenty two, twenty one, twenty

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twenty two, twenty twenty three.

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Wait, why

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would we believe otherwise?

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I've had conversations with P Diddy

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over the phone. He was an inspiring sports

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owner, sports team owner,

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was interested in purchasing the Charlotte Hornets,

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being a part of a group.

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That would ultimately buy an NBA team.

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I'm not faulting anybody.

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All of these folks with this stupidity fault

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and looking for people looking for fault

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at them because they went to a P Diddy party

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or whatever. I've gone to a P Diddy party.

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I never saw him when I got there, was so damn

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crowded. But if somebody

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tell you that's the place to be. And everybody

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going to the damn party. That don't make

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you a criminal because you went to the party of somebody

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who was alleged to be a criminal, especially

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when they want to want Alledge to be there.

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At the time. What

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about our team seeing

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him in Miami Heat games.

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Hell, I took a picture with him to go

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to State Warriors NBA Finals

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game. I

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ain't know this shit, not

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this video that I just finished watching ten times

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fifty cent walking around, you know, trolling.

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You know, where's jay Z with? I don't blame

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anybody for not wanting to be seen with P Diddy, not right

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now, whether

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it's jay Z, whether it's Fitty,

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whether it's it's it's it's one of his

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artists. I

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mean, this is the con This is the kind

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of stuff that makes you scurry,

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It makes you run for cover. This

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ain't words, This ain't sound,

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this ain't lip service, this ain't

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articles being written. Nah, this is

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different. This

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is worse than Ray Rice and

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Ray Rice never played in the National Football

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League again. Nobody's

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given him another chance to play football. His career

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ended that day that

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video was released. Now

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he did he got money that Ray Rice never

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had and

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with his businesses and what have you.

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That's fine, but I

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hope he saved a lot of it. This

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is bad, y'all.

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CNN Breaking

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News, they

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got it on video. Breaking

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News. CNN has obtained footage

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of did he repeatedly beating

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his then girlfriend Cassie in.

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A hotel hallway?

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Beat her, kicked her,

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grabbed her, dragged

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her through stuff at

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her.

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You know recently he was trying to buy beet

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Did you know that? Did

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you?

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Did you know recently given

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the key to the city by Eric

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Mayor Eric Adams in New York? If

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I remember correctly, didn't he ring the bell at the New York

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Stock has changed one time. I'm

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not faulting any of those people. You

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don't know what you don't know. You

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don't know something like this is coming

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down the pike. You don't know that there's

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validity that allegations of some.

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Of these egregious acts.

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Now you start thinking about what

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sug Knight said in an interview

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when he was.

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Talking about how did he better be careful?

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They gonna get him because he's

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been successful all of this time. He

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knows everybody secrets, and

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as a result, you gonna want people to want to hide their

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secrets. He better not end up in jail. That's

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basically what sug Knight. I'm paraphrasing, but that's

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basically what he was saying. It's

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a bad day for hip hop. This is after they invaded

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P Diddy's on March twenty ninth, twenty twenty

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four. According to Complex dot Com, sug

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Knight it's a bad day for hip hop, for the culture

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black people, because if one looks bad,

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we all look bad. That's definitely not

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nothing to chair about, he continued.

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But I'll tell you what, Buffy, your life

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is in danger, he says. Diddy,

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he's fifty four at the time, knows the secrets

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and because of that, they're gonna get you if

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they can.

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It's through sug Knight. It's

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through sug Knight.

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This is bad, And

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I believe in the day and age that we're living in,

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ain't no coming back from this. You

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ain't gotta worry about nobody coming to his parties. He'd

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have a he'd have a tough time with somebody

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wanting to be seen with him in the Starbucks unless

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it's sixty minutes to somebody,

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this is bad. I'm

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just reporting y'all what I'm saying,

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and I'm telling you based on what I just

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saw. Now, this is indefensible.

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It's indefensible. It's

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indefensible, period. But

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especially if you love women, a

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daughter or daughters, a sister

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or sisters, a mama, aunts,

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cousins, colleagues,

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friends, it don't

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matter. Inexcusable,

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indefensible, indefensible.

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What's the video? What's

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the video? Ain't

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nowhere around it.

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Ain't nowhere around it.

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When you saw this video. When you

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see this video, you

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know what you're gonna wonder? On's

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he getting arrested. It's

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eight years ago, and

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what he was doing was

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so bad it's gonna make you say,

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why is ass ain't interested? I

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take no joint in saying this. I'm a fan of P Diddy's

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music. I'm a fan of his career. I'm a

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fan of the great things that he's accomplished. He's

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always been cool with me when on

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a rare occasion we crossed paths. But

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I never saw this video. Ain't

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no coming back from this, ain't

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no endorsement deals, ain't

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no commercials. I

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guess in the hip hop industry, anybody got a chance

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to make another album or whatever. How many people you

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think gonna buy it? Damn,

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That's all I have left to say.

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Damn, damn.

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Let me move on to golf for a quick second,

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because it was something that happened off

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the course, not on the golf course, more

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specifically the PGA Championship, where world

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number one golfer Scottie Scheffler was

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arrested by Louisville police heading into val

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Holla Golf Club this morning.

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It happened obviously this morning.

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It's traffic was stopped outside the club after

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the man was struck and killed by

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a shuttle bus. According to ESPN reporter

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Jeff Darlington and witnessed the incident, Scheffler

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was trying to drive around the crash scene on

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a median in officer.

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To instruct the Scheffler to stop, but

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Scheffler continued to drive about ten to twenty

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yards towards the entrance. Here's

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sound from the incident. Listen up here, guys.

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If you guys guys stand

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back.

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I'm I'm done.

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You're a game one, right yeah, guys,

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I'm saying back.

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Here's the thing right now, right

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now, he's going to jail.

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Okay, okay, he's going to jail, and

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it ain't nothing you can do about.

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Period. There's there's nothing.

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You can do about.

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Okay, Okay, now do

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you I'm

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media reporter.

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Okay, that's all.

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I'm just I just want to make sure that's okay.

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But you need to step back from here.

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You got it, Okay, Okay.

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Before I get my opinion, let me just say that Scheffler

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was arrested and hit with several charges, which include

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second degree assault of a police officer, third

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degree criminal mischief, reckless

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driving, and disregard traffic signals

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from an officer directing traffic.

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Here's a statement from Scotty Scheffler himself,

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the world's number one player, who, by the way, has

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spent the lasts spent like eighty seven

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weeks as the world's number one player

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over the.

17:12

Last two years or so.

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He said, quote this morning, I was proceeding

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as directed by police officers. It was

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a very chaotic situation, understandably

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so, considering the tragic accident

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that had occurred earlier, and there was a big misunderstanding

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what I thought I was being asked to do. I never

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intended to disregard any of the instructions.

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I'm hopeful to put this to the side and focus on

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golf today. Of course, all of us involved

17:35

in the tournament express I deep in sympathies to the family

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of the man who passed away in an earlier

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accident this morning. It truly puts everything

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into perspective. End quote

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Scotty Scheffler deserved

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to be arrested. Let's

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get that out the way first, a

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police officer is

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dragged on the side

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out of your car fifteen to twenty

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yards. On its

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face, it seems

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perfectly plausible that

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an arrest is warranted because

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it shouldn't have taken you fifteen to twenty yards

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to stop while an officer was

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hanging onto your vehicle.

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That's on its face, it

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does.

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Come with a little bit of trickiness, however,

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Number one, it was chaotic

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out there. Number two,

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it wasn't just police officers that had on

18:34

those yellow jerseys that you see on that screen

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right there. It was also folks who

18:39

were working to

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direct traffic. And obviously

18:43

the PGA tour is there. Number

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Three,

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we want to act like everybody

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gets treated the same. All I ask is that we grow

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up and understand that's not true. You're

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the number there. One golfer in the world,

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the police is saying. According to Jeff

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Darlington, who I interviewed this morning, by the way,

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during my day job on the ESPN's First Take airs

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every weekday morning from ten am to twelve New Nieces and Stand

19:13

the time on ESPN. Jeff Darlington,

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my colleague of the ESPN, was on the show, and

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he said one of the officers

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came up to him afterwards, because he was the one

19:22

playing it on this camera. He

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said, one of the officers came up to him afterwards

19:26

and asked, who is it, Like, who's

19:28

the guy just arrested? So they

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didn't know, presumably they didn't know

19:34

that was the world's number one golfer.

19:37

I'll tell you what you did know.

19:38

You didn't know that the traffic that was

19:40

out there wasn't just because of the crash

19:42

or the accident that killed the pedestrian, godrest

19:45

his soul, but also

19:49

you know those folks were out there, was coming to the PGA.

19:53

Traffic out there for a reason in Louisville, Kentucky.

19:55

They were coming to the PGA.

19:57

And you also know that golfers because

19:59

of course into my colleagues at ESPN, guys

20:02

like market you know, you know. Michael

20:04

Eves and others pointed out to

20:06

me each golfer is giving a car.

20:09

They don't get they're not given a driver,

20:12

but each of them are given a car, and

20:14

on each car states

20:17

the official PGA

20:19

tour. It's got that emblazoned

20:21

on the back. That is what I was told

20:24

this morning by

20:26

my buddy Michael Eves, who does a great job covering

20:28

golf for us.

20:30

He said.

20:33

Golfers are giving free cars for the week, but they

20:35

are not assigned people.

20:36

To drive them.

20:39

The officer is saying that Sheffler disobeyed his orders

20:41

and then dragged him to the ground with his car, causing

20:43

injuries to the officer and his clothing.

20:48

Cheffler's saying he didn't know the guy was a cop. The

20:50

cop is evidently saying otherwise,

20:53

if he knew that that was an officer,

20:56

automatic arrest, automatic fell

20:58

in the charge.

20:59

That's the way

20:59

it swear

21:02

goes.

21:03

If he didn't know, that's a different animal,

21:06

that means the officer didn't identify himself.

21:08

I'm simply saying, what the hell are you doing driving

21:10

a car twenty feet fifteen

21:12

to twenty yards rather knowing somebody

21:15

is clinging to the damn car.

21:16

Why would you keep driving?

21:19

So I'm not trying to pretend or

21:22

act as if Chefler's innocent. I'm just saying

21:24

we don't know all the details. What I will say is

21:26

that the world's

21:28

number one golfer doesn't need to get yanked

21:30

out of a car right at the entrance

21:32

of the event, slammed up against

21:35

their car, and ultimately cuffed and

21:38

essentially perp walked.

21:40

I do know that I would

21:42

not be surprised if heads.

21:44

Rolled with a couple of those

21:47

police officers, because the number

21:49

one golfer in the world was treated that way,

21:53

and obviously that compromised the event.

21:55

Now that wasn't the reason the event would start for an

21:57

hour and a half, but ultimately,

22:00

when something like that happens and a

22:02

tour event which attracts folks

22:05

to its event, which is good for the local

22:07

economy, if that's compromised, somebody's

22:10

gonna pay a price for that. So

22:13

it'll be interesting to see what happens. I don't

22:15

know if something will ever happen to the offices. I don't

22:17

know if something should happen to them, because we don't

22:19

know all the details. And most importantly,

22:21

I don't know if something were to end up happening

22:23

in the one of the offices of not several of them,

22:26

in any regard that we would know because they're not

22:28

public figures, So how much intel would

22:30

we get about that if something, if they were

22:32

reprimanded in any way, it did seem

22:34

a bit excessive, I must admit

22:37

I don't think that was necessary. But then

22:39

again, if you're pissed the officer off because you're dragged

22:41

me fifteen to twenty feet, that's how it goes.

22:46

I don't know what more to say other than that, but

22:49

it was a shocking day of.

22:51

Events, to say the least. I'll

22:53

leave it at that.

22:54

Coming up, Donald Trump appears to be gaining

22:56

support.

22:56

Among black voters. I'll get into

22:58

all of that.

22:59

That means the black vote, what

23:01

we're doing with it, what we plan on doing it with

23:03

it, what we.

23:03

Should do with it.

23:05

I'll get into that discussion with the great doctor

23:07

Michael Eric Dyson.

23:08

He'll be up next.

23:09

Plus the t Wolves force the game seven

23:11

against the defending world champions, and the Knicks have a chance

23:13

to make it to the Eastern Conference Finals. I got

23:15

all the playoff action ahead, So stick around or

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pay attention. I got him for you, Alec

24:26

Burks for the New York Knicks. More or less

24:29

than ten and a half points.

24:31

I'm gonna go with less. I expect it to be

24:33

a tight game.

24:34

I don't know if Tom Thibodau don't even

24:36

put him in the game long enough to get ten points.

24:38

That's what I'm worried about.

24:39

That's what I went That's why I went with less for this with

24:41

Alex Burke is just the way to go right now.

24:44

I just don't trust Tom Thibodeaux

24:46

to have him in for enough chunk of time

24:48

in order for him.

24:49

To get more than ten and a half points. Let's go to

24:51

Jalen Brunton.

24:52

Okay, more or less than forty five

24:54

points, rebounds assists is an easy one.

24:56

More because Jalen Brunson been killing

25:00

the Indianapolis coach the Indiana Paces

25:02

rather okay, been killing them all right,

25:04

So you know, whether

25:07

it's points and rebounds alone, you're gonna have for the

25:09

forty five or points and assist the loan

25:11

rather, and then you're adding a few rebounds because he

25:13

gonna get up in there, he gonna bang, gonna do what you gotta do.

25:16

Yes, it's gonna be more than forty five

25:18

for Jalen Brunton. How about Pascal Siakam

25:20

for the Indiana Pacers more or less than thirty

25:22

two and a half points, rebounds, assists. I think

25:25

he's gonna give me a key pivotal figure

25:27

tonight. I think Rick Carlid is gonna go

25:29

to him. Particularly with Ognanobi

25:31

out, They're gonna look to attack him. He's been struggling for

25:33

a free throw line a little bit too much,

25:35

But that don't mean he ain't gonna give you more than thirty

25:37

two and a half with the combination of points, rebounds

25:39

and assists. I think he's going to do that. He's

25:42

a champion. It's a game six, they're playoff,

25:44

lives on the line. Pascal Siaka

25:46

a champion with the Toronto Raptors years ago when

25:48

he was teammates with Kawhi Leonnon.

25:50

I think he answers the call.

25:51

I think you take more in this particular situation,

25:54

and last but not least, ob topping former

25:56

New York Neck. Now, remember the Indiana

25:58

Pacers more or less nine and a half points,

26:01

I'm gonna.

26:01

Go with more.

26:02

Obi topic can play by the way he can

26:04

shoot. Okay, he can shoot. He could

26:06

definitely finish in the basket, and he can finish it in an

26:08

open court. I'm not saying it's gonna be a whole

26:10

lot more than nine and a half points.

26:12

But would I take more.

26:13

Than for nine and a half points with Obi Topping

26:15

instead of less, Yes, I would.

26:17

I'm gonna go with more in this particular

26:19

situation.

26:20

So again, let's review my

26:22

picks so you'll understand what it's

26:24

all about.

26:25

Less for Alex Burke.

26:27

At the ten and a half points, more for Jalen

26:29

Brunston at the forty five points, rebounds assists,

26:31

more for Pascal Siaka with the thirty two and

26:33

a half points, rebounds and assists, and more

26:36

of Obi Topping at just nine and a half

26:38

points. Those are my picks

26:41

for tonight. Check them out.

26:43

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26:46

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26:48

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26:56

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26:59

Let's get to the end.

27:00

NBA Playoffs please in the race out

27:02

West where Anthony Edwards and the Tea Woves beat

27:04

the living hell out of the Denver Nuggets

27:07

last night bout forty five points.

27:09

They were up fifty one by forty five.

27:11

Edwards left Minnesota with twenty seven points and

27:13

was a plus minus forty

27:15

five in just thirty

27:18

four minutes on the floor. The t Wolves

27:20

have now forced the Game seven in Denver on Sunday

27:22

for a chance to go to the Western Conference Finals. Some

27:24

key injuries of note Jamal Murray's someffer,

27:26

the right elbow injury after bumping

27:28

into Rudy Go Bear, and of course Anthony Edwards fell

27:31

in his back, but says he'll be ready

27:33

to go on Sunday. I

27:36

was shocked at what I witnessed. Anthony

27:39

Edwards is such a stud. I'm

27:41

gonna say this stough. Game

27:43

sevens are different. It's

27:45

Anthony Edwards first game seven. It's called Anthony

27:48

Towns first game seven. Rudy Go

27:50

Bear has only been in two and he split one and one in

27:52

each of them. And oh, by the way,

27:54

Mike Conley, your veteran point guard that Anthony

27:57

Edwards loved so much his career, in Game

27:59

sevens are owing four averaging

28:03

thirteen points to thirty two percent, shooting in twenty three

28:05

percent from three point range, which is nothing

28:07

to write home about.

28:10

They're in Denver for a game seven. Now.

28:13

The Minnesota Timberwolves defense ampst

28:16

up like no others. They're the best defense

28:18

in the NBA this year, and they put the clamps

28:20

on Denver yesterday, no question about it.

28:24

And Carl Anthony Towns obviously made some jump

28:26

shots or whatever, but it was really about Anthony

28:28

Edwards and it was about their collective defensive prowess.

28:31

They were absolutely sensational.

28:32

They were on the Denver Nuggets like piranhas,

28:37

and the Denver Nuggets had absolutely positively

28:39

no answer. The thing for me, though, was this,

28:42

I saw a whole bunch of missed shots.

28:45

I saw Jamal Murray open first half,

28:47

he shoots one for ten. I saw Michael Porter

28:49

open, he was missing. I saw Kentavious Carwell popo,

28:51

but he was missing. I saw Aaron Gordon open, he

28:53

was missing. Is that really

28:56

what you expect to happen in the game seven?

28:58

I don't.

28:59

I think they make some of those shots rather than miss

29:01

them. With those familiar rims that

29:03

they playing forty one regular season nights a year,

29:07

and I think that Denver is gonna have his

29:09

work cut out for it. But let me tell you something, that

29:11

don't mean they can't win this game. They were

29:13

down oh two, and you saw what they did

29:16

to Minnesota over the next three games, and then

29:18

Minnesota shows up again. And now that

29:20

they've shown up again and they've even the series at

29:22

three to three again, they've never been in a game

29:24

seven. They've never been

29:26

in a game seven. And

29:28

we're gonna find out a couple of things. We're

29:31

gonna find out about Anthony Edwards. We're gonna find out

29:33

about Carl Anthony Towns. We can't

29:35

say we're gonna find out anything about Denver because they'd have.

29:37

Rgann they defending champions.

29:39

But we're gonna find something out because here's

29:41

what I noticed, y'all.

29:46

Did you see.

29:48

Nikola Jokic just

29:51

standing there. He wouldn't

29:53

sit down for a long time. He

29:56

was just standing there on the sidelines, staring

29:58

down at Minnesota as

30:01

they continue to run up the score and

30:03

just to obliterate the Denver Nuggets.

30:07

You don't think a three time league MVP like that got

30:09

that kind of pride. You don't think a champion like that,

30:11

that kind of pride. Did you see what Denver did and

30:13

coming back oh to you

30:15

don't think they got that kind of pride, because

30:18

I'm here to tell you they do. And

30:20

I think that Nikola jokicch is gonna

30:22

show up and he's gonna show up big time.

30:26

For Game seven.

30:30

But I think Anthony Edwards is going to show up too.

30:36

He's just that dude. There

30:39

was MJ, there was Kobe, and

30:41

then there's him.

30:42

And that's a big deal coming from somebody like me because I

30:44

saw incredible talent throughout.

30:46

The Evince Carters going into the Hall of Fame.

30:47

He's an incredible talent, the best in game

30:50

dunker I've ever seen, and

30:53

he's stuck around for over twenty years within an

30:55

NBA career. One of the nicest human

30:57

beings you'll ever meet. Once the one

30:59

knock against Vince Carter, that

31:01

that attitude, that umph,

31:04

that go get it mentality, that dog

31:06

in him, he ain't had that because he was

31:08

such a nice guy. And

31:10

that's what we saw. Did you see Anthony Edwards at the

31:12

press conference last night at the podium and

31:14

you saw when they asked him, did you say

31:18

something to the folks in the Denver

31:20

locker room where y'all lost Game five.

31:24

He said, Hell yeah, I did. I told those

31:26

motherfuckers see see you game seven.

31:28

That's what I said.

31:29

I'm quoting him. I'm not cussing.

31:30

I'm quoting him. I

31:32

told those motherfuckers see

31:35

you game seven. We'll be back. Hell yeah, and

31:37

then got up.

31:39

His attitude is different.

31:42

And he wants it, and we're going to see

31:45

whether or not he can deliver

31:47

it. Make no mistake about it, because you know Michael

31:49

Malone got something up.

31:50

In sleep that he saved for game seven. He ain't

31:52

gonna show all his cards.

31:55

But I'm telling you right now, it

31:58

can't just be the Anthony Edwards show. Now

32:00

here's the difference. We talked about supplementary

32:02

parts showing up and helping out, but in Anthony

32:05

Edwards's case, he got a shot up first, because

32:08

you need his greatness to match

32:10

that of Yo Kic so

32:13

it can even the scales, and then you

32:15

set the table for somebody else to step in and do what

32:17

they're supposed to do. That's

32:20

what we're talking about here with Anthony Edwards,

32:22

and it's gonna be real interesting to see what

32:25

transpired because I'm here to tell you right now,

32:30

Minnesota could lose, Denver

32:34

could beat the brakes off of them. But Denver

32:36

has shown us they could do the same. I'm sorry, Minnesota

32:38

has shown us they could do the same to Denver. I

32:41

can't wait for this Game seven. This

32:43

is special now. I'm hoping the

32:46

next team I talk about doesn't have to go to a Game seven,

32:48

and that's my New York Knicks. Okay,

32:50

because they headed the Indianapolis tonight for Game six

32:52

and a chance to close out the series. The last time the Knicks

32:55

played there was Sunday when they got blown out

32:57

by thirty two on Mother's Day. Okay,

33:00

they massacres what they call it. Tonight

33:02

they have a chance to avenge that loss, and they'll likely

33:04

have to do it without ogn And know we he's still

33:06

nursing his hamstring injury. I'm gonna tell

33:08

you this, Indiana

33:12

has no answer for Jalen Brunson. The

33:15

way he's busting them harts Ass and

33:19

the rest of the Indiana Pacers. He actually

33:21

should be arrested for a Celda's damn self.

33:26

I'm being facetious, of course, but Jalen

33:28

Brunson has been nothing short of abusing

33:33

defenders from Indiana, so much

33:35

so that you got Chris Carlisle, a head

33:37

coach, cussing out people in press

33:40

conferences because he ain't really cussing at them, He's cursing at

33:42

his own team.

33:44

They looked soft, They looked

33:47

like they didn't want it.

33:47

They was fumbling and bumbling the ball all over

33:50

the place, commit turnovers at every turn.

33:52

Jalen Brunton Meanwhile.

33:53

Crossover dribbles, step back threes start

33:56

a stepping, stepping back, moving forward evasive

33:58

measure. I mean, damn, he was us in their ass.

34:02

Having said all of that, he

34:05

can't be the key tonight. It's

34:07

gonna have to be Josh Hart and Dante DiVincenzo.

34:12

See, you don't want a game seven on one hand,

34:14

and I pose this to a lot of people.

34:15

Listen to my logic here.

34:20

Initially I was thinking, don't

34:23

you want time to prepare for Boston?

34:25

That's what I was thinking.

34:27

That doesn't necessarily matter now, but

34:30

Josh Hart and Dante DiVincenzo are gonna

34:33

be keys. Dante Divincenzo's shot

34:35

is gonna be key, his shot making ability. He

34:37

needs to hit those threes when he's open for it.

34:40

So his shot making ability is one way to

34:42

go. Here's the other. Josh

34:45

Hart's heart, his

34:47

guts, his willingness to go get that damn basketball,

34:50

don't matter who's it up against. Josh

34:52

Hart got to bring out that game and him tonight. Close

34:55

out games are always the most difficult, and

34:58

that's what Josh Hart's gonna have to deal with. He

35:02

can't have three rebounds like he did in

35:05

Game four on Mother's Day. He's got to have the eighteen

35:07

rebounds he had in Game three

35:09

when the New York Knicks nearly pulled it out and

35:12

it took a miracle from them hard from

35:14

thirty one feet to save the day. We

35:16

can't put ourselves in a situation again. That's

35:20

what the New York Knicks have to do. Josh Hart,

35:22

Dante DiVincenzo.

35:24

They are the keys. They are the keys to the success

35:26

for the New York Knicks.

35:27

You get production from them, not

35:30

to shove aside heart and steam, because you need his

35:32

offensive rebounds he had twelve

35:35

in Game five. But

35:37

you need additional weapons if you're the New York Knicks

35:40

stepping up other than Brunton, because I think

35:43

Indiana would be better prepared for that tonight.

35:45

Brunton alone won't be enough. Somebody else will

35:48

have to give you something. So we can

35:50

get that out the way too.

35:51

Now, before

35:55

I go to break, I want to bring this up

35:57

about Kyrie Irvin. He's

36:00

plays on the Dallas Mavericks, who

36:02

are up three to two on this series after

36:04

beating Oklahoma City

36:06

in Game five. My man, shay

36:09

Gil Just Alexander is not disappointing me. Four

36:11

straight games of thirty points or more,

36:13

in which he's averaging thirty two points fifty

36:15

one percent, shooting forty five percent from three point range,

36:17

along with nine rebounds, six pointsistant

36:20

two and a half blocks per game.

36:22

Shay Gil Just Alexander my vote for League GAMVP.

36:24

He doing his job. Where Jalen Williams

36:27

at, We're chet holgern at? Where's

36:29

these cats at? Even though

36:31

Dorton is doing, you know, a

36:33

lot of defensive work on Luka

36:35

Danci, even though it didn't work.

36:37

The other night. Let's call it what it is.

36:39

But here's what got me thinking about

36:42

I might have made the wrong pick with OKC and Dallas

36:44

will probably win this series. This kid

36:46

gaffreck got hops as unbelievable

36:49

athleticism.

36:50

We got that going on. We got

36:53

Luca sore knee, sore ankle,

36:55

different legs, don't matter.

36:57

He shows up, he drops what he

36:59

drops. We see PJ Washington

37:02

doing his thing. We see Derek Jones

37:04

catching Ali oops, doing his thing. But

37:07

that damn Kyrie Irving is just

37:09

lurking. One of the most

37:11

prolific scores we've ever seen, one

37:14

of the greatest finishers at the basket

37:16

and be a history.

37:20

This dude, Kyrie Irving is just.

37:23

Going in there, flying in there for rebounds, giving

37:25

tapouts to Luka Doncik one minute, feeding

37:28

Tim Hardaway Junior the next, PJ.

37:31

Washington the next, et cetera. Kyrie's

37:35

a showstopper.

37:37

And we know that ain't his forte having

37:39

two points in the first half, having

37:41

six points in the first half, stuff like that,

37:44

Ladies and gentlemen, that

37:46

ain't Kyrie Irving. At

37:48

some point an explosion

37:51

is imminent.

37:57

That's just how I feel about it.

37:59

I think he's he's waiting and

38:02

the bigger the moment, the more he will shine.

38:05

And in Dallas for a Game

38:07

six with an opportunity to get

38:10

to the conference finals.

38:13

Kyrie and Luca somebody that I'm

38:15

gonna look past now.

38:17

No, I'm not doing

38:19

it. I'm not doing it. I'm

38:23

sorry.

38:26

Coming up, I'll

38:28

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38:31

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38:34

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38:40

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Welcome back to the Steven A. Smith Show right here over the digital

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40:14

take a little bit of time to day to talk

40:16

a little politics, and it is with my

40:18

next guest. Okay, and the reason

40:20

we're talking politics today stems from reports

40:22

or polls that appear to show former

40:25

President Donald Trump actually gaining

40:27

even more support amongst black

40:29

voters. And it seems the polling numbers are

40:31

not lost on the White House, where President Biden will

40:33

spend this week looking to reverse

40:36

an erosion of.

40:36

Support amongst black voters.

40:39

Biden plans to give a speech this Sunday

40:42

at Morehouse College in Atlanta, Georgia

40:44

that will aim to increase support among black men,

40:46

a voting block where the President's support

40:48

has clearly declined. Joining

40:50

me right now is renowned

40:53

author, best selling author, professor,

40:56

historian, the brilliant, the

40:58

one and only Doc Michael Eric

41:00

Dyson. My brother, what's going on?

41:02

My man?

41:02

How you doing? How's everything?

41:04

Always great to see you, my friend, You the king

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of media, and it's always good to see you in

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one of your venues and to share this spot like with

41:11

you.

41:12

Well, listen, I needed your guidance and your

41:15

expertise and your brilliance on this subject

41:17

because I need you to help me figure a few things out

41:19

here. There's several polls that definitely

41:21

showed declining support among

41:24

black voters, going from Joe

41:26

Biden to Donald Trump.

41:29

And listen, this is where they are right

41:31

now. Why do you believe that that's the case?

41:33

First of all, do you believe it's true? And secondly,

41:36

why would you believe that's the case.

41:38

Well, you know the math and math, and as

41:40

they say, there is some manipulation statistically

41:43

with some of these poll numbers. However, the

41:45

bottom line is there. He is

41:48

I think disgruntlement among many

41:50

African American people about Joe Biden,

41:53

and there seems to be a corollary

41:56

attraction and to Donald

41:58

Trump, he has an appeal of what is that

42:00

appeal based on? Maybe you know, some young

42:02

people say he's got swag. They think

42:04

he's the kind of person who will go out here and

42:07

will say what's on his mind without having it

42:09

filtered through politically correct

42:11

language. That's one number two. You

42:14

listen to some of the rappers who say

42:16

that they're attracted to Donald Trump, one

42:18

of whom says, look, he gave out

42:21

checks during COVID and

42:23

the like, not understanding that those monies

42:25

were released by an Act of Congress,

42:27

not the president. But nonetheless they associate

42:29

that with him, and then they think he's got

42:32

this kind of swagger, he's got this kind of charisma

42:34

because he's able to, you

42:36

know, be the kind of person that many

42:39

of them ideally and fantasize

42:41

about being, tell you what's on their mind,

42:43

tell you when to leave and when to come, and

42:46

keep stepping. More substantively,

42:48

I think some people are distraught

42:50

with, you know, President Biden

42:53

over a couple issues. The Israel and

42:56

you know Palestinian situation, the

42:59

war in Gaza. Some

43:01

of them are quite upset about what they perceive

43:03

to be President Biden's

43:05

total capitulation to

43:08

Israel and not standing enough up

43:11

enough for Palestinians. Although one

43:13

must quickly add hasten to add,

43:16

what do you think will happen with Donald Trump,

43:18

who has been completely in favor

43:20

of every action that Israel has taken,

43:23

versus the Joe Biden who has tried

43:25

to, you know, apply

43:28

restraints or at least get Israel

43:30

to apply restraint when dealing

43:32

with Palestine right now?

43:35

And then I think some people, in regards

43:37

to their conservative values and beliefs,

43:41

they you know, there's a group of

43:43

African American people who are not only

43:46

culturally conservative, some of them are growingly

43:48

politically conservative, and they

43:50

find some of the issues that

43:53

Donald Trump addresses around say, sexuality,

43:56

around gender far more appealing

43:58

to them than they would perceive liberal

44:01

cultural values to do. So, I think when you put

44:03

all that stuff together, there is,

44:05

regardless of the degree

44:08

of mathematical distance between

44:10

the polling and the actual voting

44:12

of African American people, there

44:15

is some erosion of support among

44:17

Democrats, and there certainly is an uptick

44:19

of support for Donald Trump and the Republicans.

44:22

When you allude to mathematical deviation,

44:24

educate the viewers out there, Educate

44:26

the listeners out there as to why

44:29

we should take that seriously, because a.

44:31

Lot of times so much is relying upon the

44:33

polls.

44:33

We look at the polls leading up to elections,

44:36

and it gives us an indication. It's not to

44:38

say it's always right, but it certainly

44:40

is not always wrong. And in this particular

44:43

instance, no one would think

44:45

that Donald Trump, for indictments,

44:48

you know, ninety one different counts civil law

44:50

suits and one hundreds of millions of dollars,

44:52

wouldn't even be in a position to run

44:54

for reelection, let alone win it. But

44:56

clearly that appears to be the case right

44:59

now. So when due to those mathematical

45:01

differences, tell me why folks

45:04

shouldn't dismiss that and say, wait a minute,

45:06

look at what's happening here, Look at the momentum.

45:09

We've got two eyes.

45:10

We see the momentum shifting to some degree,

45:13

particularly after what you've just articulated

45:15

about this current administration. Why

45:18

shouldn't folks take that with the seriousness

45:20

they appear to be taking that with.

45:22

Now, yeah, no, that's a great

45:24

point. Well, even mathematically and statistically,

45:27

you know, they ain't calling like a

45:29

million black people, y'all. They're not

45:31

calling a million people period. When they do these polls,

45:34

it might be two or three hundred people. And

45:37

then the statistical difference

45:39

could be an uptick of six or seven

45:41

people in either direction will give

45:43

you a significant change in

45:46

the polling numbers. So if you're talking,

45:48

you know, and our brother Michael

45:50

Harriott who kind of explained this on Twitter,

45:53

talking about six voters made

45:55

a difference in terms of registering,

45:58

a difference in terms of the uptick

46:00

for Republicans. Now, I understand

46:03

that, and I appreciate that that's real. But

46:06

at the same time, speaking enough

46:08

to so many other black people and

46:10

hearing from them, I think it's undeniable

46:13

that there's great frustration with the Democrats

46:15

and there is some appeal to

46:18

Donald Trump. And as you've already indicated, here's a guy

46:20

with four cases probably got more

46:22

he got. He got more cases than

46:24

Pep Pep's blu ribbon, as they

46:27

used to say, what I was a kid. He's

46:29

a guy who's facing enormous consequence

46:31

potentially for some misjudgments

46:34

or criminal activities, and yet

46:37

black people are certain amounts

46:40

of black people, certain segments of black people,

46:42

certain slices of the voter. It feels

46:45

that he is the appealing candidate. They

46:47

think that Joe Biden ain't on TV enough, he ain't

46:49

talking enough, he's not representing his viewpoint

46:51

enough. Even the people who support

46:54

Joe Biden, like Plies.

46:56

The rapper right did an interesting

46:59

video the other day is saying where are you at? You

47:02

know, we see Donald Trump every day. He's

47:04

on TV every day. He's being talked about because

47:06

he's got yet another court case or some

47:08

judge, you know, imposing

47:11

a fine on him or warning him

47:13

against speaking. In other words, he's sucking up

47:15

all of the media oxygen in the room,

47:18

and the good things that Joe Biden is doing, he's

47:20

tweeting about or sending in a

47:23

way that doesn't get out to the broader audience.

47:26

So not only are we talking about a shift

47:28

in sensibility and perception amongst

47:30

certain African American voters being

47:32

frustrated with Joe Biden for a number of reasons,

47:35

there is also the fact that the messaging

47:39

of Donald Trump for

47:41

free if you will, but also because

47:43

of the enormous concentration

47:46

of media attention upon his various

47:48

flaws. Is keeping his name in

47:51

the print. Now that old thing that used to

47:53

be, Hey, ain't no bad publicity.

47:55

We know there is bad publicity. But when it comes

47:57

to presidential sweetstakes and this man and

48:00

is still in the running, that calculates

48:03

that that converts, I should say, in

48:05

a way that does have a net positive

48:08

for him. So we have to ask African

48:10

American voters, you've got to be a bit more

48:12

sophisticated about this. I

48:14

think many of us are. And then some

48:17

have indicated, Look, black people don't come

48:19

out to rallies, they don't do certain kinds

48:21

of exhibitionist political

48:24

if you will, consent or partisanship.

48:27

What they do is just vote. In

48:29

some instances, that's true. But at the

48:32

same time, even among the folk that

48:34

I travel this country talking to, and

48:36

you do as well, there is a noticeable

48:39

uptick in support for

48:41

Donald Trump that we have to grapple

48:44

with and take seriously.

48:46

Well, listen, this is always good and it's always

48:48

beautiful to talk to you, my big bro, especially

48:52

on intellectual items, because

48:54

obviously you'll wanted to high end intellectuals

48:57

in this nation. This make no mistake about

48:59

that. We both have talked about it,

49:01

and we know that recently. You know, I

49:03

got so much heat, but I know a lot my team

49:06

and other people don't want me to bring it up. You know, I don't

49:08

give a damn. I'm gonna be who I am. And

49:10

one of the things that I've religiously stated,

49:12

you know, I don't support Donald Trump. He's not getting

49:14

my vote. But one of the things that I wanted to highlight

49:17

was that you know.

49:18

What we're where. You know you're in trouble.

49:20

If you're a Biden support, if you're somebody that's planning

49:23

on voting for Biden, if you're somebody that wants Biden

49:25

re elected, you cannot just turn

49:27

the blind eye and a deaf ear

49:30

to what is transpiring before

49:32

our very eyes.

49:33

There are black folks.

49:35

In America who have turned

49:38

to supporting Donald Trump.

49:40

That is just the fact and what I

49:42

wonder, and I say it, it's not

49:45

just because of that that's a reason to be

49:47

worried about him getting returning to the White

49:49

House.

49:50

It's also the fact that the level of support.

49:52

That Barack Obama gone

49:54

to not just once but twice in terms

49:56

of the inordinate amount of people emanating

49:59

from my CA community willing to go.

50:01

To the polls.

50:02

That wasn't necessarily the case with Hillary Rodham

50:04

Clinton, and I certainly have no reason

50:06

to believe it's going to be the case with Joe

50:08

Biden in twenty twenty four. I think

50:10

that there's going to be a lack of participation,

50:13

meaning voter is showing up to the polls

50:16

to vote for him. You're gonna see

50:18

some that just don't show up. That's

50:20

a concern I have. Is that concern

50:22

legitimate in your eyes?

50:24

Absolutely? And first of all, let me speak

50:26

to that. You know, you

50:28

are a man of tremendous integrity

50:31

and huge authenticity,

50:34

and you call it like you see it. And the

50:36

truth is that there is a there

50:39

is a troubling phenomenon and trend.

50:42

There is a problem here, or

50:44

at least there is a trend that is noticeable that

50:46

we have to be honest about. We can't stick our heads

50:49

in the sand and pretend that it's not

50:51

the case. That's not an endorsement, that's

50:53

in an analysis. I happen

50:55

to be Joe Biden supporter, but that

50:58

doesn't mean I can't see what's going on doesn't

51:00

mean I close my eyes, And you're absolutely

51:03

right. We have to take this extremely

51:05

seriously because, as you've so

51:07

intelligently pointed out, Barack

51:09

Obama had a kind of inborn

51:12

and inbred charisma. He had a

51:14

natural advantage. He had

51:16

house money that he was playing with in a way that

51:19

neither Hillary Clinton nor Joe Biden

51:21

possess, and that is the radical

51:24

and immediate identification of African

51:27

masses of black people with a candidate

51:29

like Barack Obama. Now, arguably

51:32

Joe Biden has done more specifically

51:35

for African American people in terms of the effect

51:37

of the policies, the the rate

51:40

of unemployment is significantly

51:43

lower, the fact that you've

51:45

got a black Vice president in office

51:48

and a black woman on the Supreme

51:50

Court, not only symbolically but substantively

51:52

in terms of what he's done with housing and

51:55

economic inequality, and also

51:58

for those people who have received the refunds

52:01

not refunds, who have been forgiven

52:03

of their student loans. So when we look

52:05

across the board, Joe Biden has arguably done

52:08

even more, and yet the messaging

52:11

behind that is not equally as

52:13

powerful. First because he doesn't have the inbuilt

52:15

advantage of a Barack Obama. And

52:18

secondly, because sometimes Democrats

52:20

are loathed to get out there and brag about what they're doing.

52:22

You've got to get out there and brag and tell

52:25

the people what you're doing. You've

52:27

got to announce it from your bully

52:29

pulpit as he Chris crosses this nation

52:31

on his campaign stops to talk about

52:33

what's going on, and to figure out new media,

52:36

to figure out social media, to figure out the old

52:38

school stuff, and make sure that you're

52:40

involving the black media in your

52:43

plans, which has often been a

52:45

criticism levied by people within

52:47

the media. So when we put all that stuff together,

52:49

it is necessary at this point

52:52

to warn folk. Not after it's over. Well,

52:54

I tell you I did see this, but I didn't

52:56

say anything. Say it now. This

52:59

is the time for to make acute analysis

53:01

and serious scrutiny about

53:03

what's happening. So with the purpose

53:06

of arming black

53:08

people with knowledge that will allow

53:10

them to vote the right way.

53:13

Before I move on to my next question,

53:15

I want you to take a look at this post from

53:17

Fox News analyst Josh

53:20

Kraushard, that's his name. I want

53:22

you to take a look at this because I want you to see it, and

53:24

I want to put it up on the screen here. Mister Trump

53:27

and mister Biden are essentially tied among eighteen

53:29

to twenty nine year olds and His and Hispanic

53:31

voters, even though each group gave mister Biden

53:33

more than sixty percent of their vote in twenty twenty.

53:36

Mister Trump also wins more than twenty percent of Black

53:38

voters.

53:39

It tally that would be the highest level of Black support

53:41

for any Republican presidential candidate since

53:43

the enactment of the Civil Rights Act in nineteen

53:46

sixty four.

53:47

One of the things that I'm going to make it a priority

53:49

to do on this show at least

53:51

a couple.

53:51

Of times a month, if not more, as

53:54

the election approaches, doctor Dyson,

53:56

is I want to focus on the black

53:59

vote. I want to focus on the black

54:01

community, what we used to do compared

54:04

to what we've done, what we're

54:07

doing, what we're doing, what we.

54:09

Intend to do.

54:10

And I want you to highlight, being a historian,

54:13

that you are the obvious

54:15

answer to why the Democrats have had

54:17

our stranglehold on the black vote

54:19

since nineteen sixty four. It's obviously

54:21

because the civil rights legislation that was written in

54:23

the law in nineteen sixty four by

54:26

President Lyndon B. Johnson, even though people

54:29

from both parties brought it to his desk. But

54:31

ever since that time, according

54:33

to reports about Linda B. Johnson, we

54:35

do this and we'll have the negroes voting for us

54:38

for the next two hundred years.

54:39

And at a time it certainly appeared to be that

54:41

way, and because of that, people

54:44

have held on.

54:45

To it and used it as a form of cynicism

54:47

to say the Democratic Party has

54:50

taken the black vote for granted.

54:51

So as a result, we ain't going for the okie

54:53

doke anymore. We're gonna change this up.

54:55

That's what some of the black folks, that's what some of the

54:57

black folks who clearly are Trump

55:00

supporters are now articulating.

55:03

I want to know, in your estimation, is

55:05

dear truth to.

55:06

That level of thinking, that level

55:08

of verbiage being thrown out there by

55:10

those Trump supporters, black

55:12

and otherwise, and how valid

55:15

it is in your mind of an argument

55:17

for them to make against the Democratic Party.

55:20

Yeah. Look, if you're suffering

55:22

in a certain way in African American people across the

55:24

board, are as the brothers

55:26

in the streets say irregardless of your

55:29

party, whether you're a Democratic

55:31

Republican, there's no question about that. However,

55:34

if you say under the Democrats you are frustrated

55:36

and flustered because certain issues are not being

55:38

taken seriously, or you don't think you're being

55:41

heard, or you think you're being taken for granted,

55:43

you know, it's a kind of Bobby Woolmeck approach

55:46

to this whole thing. If you think you're

55:48

lonely, now wait until

55:51

tonight girl. Okay. So

55:54

the thing is is that if you think you're frustrated

55:56

and flustered under the Democrats, the reason

55:59

the republic have not garnered more

56:01

of the African American vote. And I'll tell you

56:04

it's easy. It would be easy for them to

56:06

do so because there is agreement

56:09

outside of what I believe. I happen to be a progressive

56:12

liberal thinker within African

56:14

American culture, the masses of black people

56:16

would disagree with me on certain issues

56:18

in terms of lgbtqa QI

56:22

of transgender and the like and so on. I understand

56:24

that I don't lie to myself about that. However,

56:27

what I say is the masses

56:30

of black people who have to be conservative would find

56:32

it more easy to vote Republican

56:35

if the Republicans weren't so repugnant

56:38

and repulsive in some of

56:40

their explicit racist manipulations

56:44

or their implicitly racist policies

56:47

or outlooks. So, in other words, if

56:49

they weren't so focused on

56:52

retaliating against the fragile

56:55

gains of African American people and could find

56:57

a way to make concessions in

56:59

their own ideological tip, a lot

57:02

more Black people would be gathered under there. Just

57:04

because you're hurting in your left

57:06

pinky doesn't mean that

57:08

I'm going to go to somebody who's going to

57:11

hurt the other three fingers. You want

57:13

to hurt less, not more, And

57:15

under Republican ideology

57:17

and practices, look at the je remandering

57:19

going on in state legislators.

57:22

Look at the drawing of voting maps

57:24

that are dissipating the concentrated

57:27

effect of black voting districts.

57:29

The Supreme Court just rued a couple of days

57:31

ago saying, I think it was in Louisiana

57:34

somewhere that the attempt of

57:36

the state legislatures and the courts

57:38

to je remander against African

57:41

American people and to draw maps that would

57:43

disfavor them is constitutionally

57:46

invalid. So this is the

57:48

effect of the Republicans. They want

57:50

to gain every advantage possible legally

57:53

or not, constitutionally or not. And

57:55

I think that all of this discourse among

57:58

Republicans about steal the voting, look

58:00

at what happened. The truth is that

58:02

there's very little of stealing the vote among

58:05

Democrats. There's a little

58:08

voting in regularity. What we can point

58:10

to is the sheer manipulation of

58:13

ideologues within the right wing or

58:16

the Republican Party. Having

58:18

said that, I think there

58:20

is frustration among African American people

58:22

wing gonna be on no plantation? Well what plantation

58:25

you think you're leaving and going to? If

58:27

you're on a Democratic plantation, if that's what you

58:29

conceive it to be, which I don't, what

58:31

plantation will you now go to? You think you'll be

58:34

independent, you think voting for Donald Trump

58:36

or the right wing is something that will

58:38

serve your interests. There is no evidence

58:40

of this. So while there may be frustration.

58:43

Look, look, I would like the Lakers

58:46

to be in the finals every year because I'm

58:48

a Lakers stand since I was a kid. But they

58:50

ain't in the finals. It's gonna be

58:52

maybe Minnesota, and it's gonna

58:55

be maybe the Boston Celtics. Who

58:57

knows the point is your team that

59:00

you desire to be there ain't there. So the choices

59:02

you have are who's there,

59:05

not this fantasy land. I wish it

59:07

was this case, and I think we have to suggest

59:09

the African American people. Yes, we've

59:11

got to sometimes bite the bullet. Yes we've got

59:13

to sometimes look the bully in the face

59:16

and say this is true and not true. But we don't

59:18

gain when we capitulate to interests

59:21

that have evidently undermined

59:23

our community and not shown much

59:25

interests otherwise. Yes, it's hard,

59:28

perhaps for some people to

59:30

vote Democratic and to be in that group, but

59:32

it is far more difficult and far

59:35

more paralyzing to make the choice

59:37

to swing in the other direction.

59:38

Well, one of the things that I think, and I've articulated

59:41

that on this show as well, that you know, people

59:43

have had an attitude with me about I said, I think you

59:46

applaud the Democratic Party. The greatest thing that the Democratic

59:48

Party, or one of the greatest things that the Democratic

59:50

Party has done for the African

59:53

American community in this nation is that they were

59:55

the ones who gave us access to capital, because

59:57

when you talk about generational wealth, when you talk

59:59

about economic empowerment and

1:00:01

what have you, they were the ones that played

1:00:03

a significant role in facilitating that. And I

1:00:05

don't hear the Democrats spewing about that enough.

1:00:08

That's number one. That's one of the things that I

1:00:10

said. And the other thing that I've pointed

1:00:12

out doctor Dyson is this, and I took

1:00:14

a lot of heat for this, but again, I don't give a damn

1:00:16

my stand on it. When I think about Trump

1:00:19

and the law fear that has been engaged

1:00:22

against him, what I'm saying

1:00:24

is, I'm not trying to act as if the

1:00:26

man is guilty or innocent of anything. The

1:00:29

courts will determine that and we'll go with it

1:00:31

from there. What I'm saying is, it's

1:00:33

not stopping him from being away from the camera. It's

1:00:36

not stopping him from playing

1:00:38

the role of victim. It's not stopping him

1:00:40

from generating campaign.

1:00:42

Dollars, and on top of it all,

1:00:44

it hasn't stopped.

1:00:45

Him from being the GOP nominee

1:00:47

and the man in line to return

1:00:50

to the presidency unless Biden

1:00:53

is able to beat him. My

1:00:56

point is, I don't think that they've

1:00:58

taken that into another consideration,

1:01:01

and you're looking for the courts to come to the

1:01:03

rescue instead of you finding

1:01:06

a way to beat him yourself.

1:01:09

I don't know how much clearer I can

1:01:12

be in stating that. Help me

1:01:14

out here, help me out with that

1:01:16

message.

1:01:17

You're absolutely right. And then I was thinking when

1:01:19

you were talking, you know, playing

1:01:21

a little acronym game here. You

1:01:23

know, he is a G to many of these people,

1:01:26

right, not the GOP, just the G just

1:01:28

in terms of street discourse and OP. You're

1:01:31

down with OP. Right, So there

1:01:33

is some grudging recognition among certain

1:01:35

African American people like Damn, I don't care what you

1:01:37

say about Donald Trump. I don't

1:01:40

dagam. I ain't trying to vote him, But dog, you've got

1:01:42

to admit, he just don't care. He

1:01:44

gonna say what he believes, he gonna tell you how

1:01:46

he thinks it oughn to be, and he's gonna move

1:01:48

forward. There is something too many people

1:01:51

that's refreshing about the departure

1:01:53

from a political discourse that is so riddled

1:01:56

with duplicity, with people not telling

1:01:58

the truth, with people not coming out in saying what

1:02:01

they believe. Now, so let's

1:02:03

be honest about that having said that, you're

1:02:05

absolutely right too that people, you

1:02:07

know, at the end of the day, regardless

1:02:10

of the charges he's confronting,

1:02:12

regardless of the cases he's got, he

1:02:15

is out there every day on

1:02:19

truth, social and whatever other platform

1:02:22

he has in the press, when the judges

1:02:24

are not trying to censor him correctly

1:02:28

in terms of putting a gag order on him, when

1:02:30

he keeps on in talking and offending.

1:02:33

Now, it's reprehensible in terms

1:02:35

of the political substance and the moral substance

1:02:37

of what he's doing. But at the same time

1:02:40

he gains eyeballs and ear loves

1:02:43

people hear what he's talking about, and

1:02:45

they are forced to assess the veracity

1:02:47

or not, the legitimacy or not, the authenticity

1:02:50

or not. And so at the end of the day, that

1:02:52

is a kind of bullheaded determination

1:02:55

to be heard at all costs that

1:02:57

is attractive to certain voters who say,

1:03:00

I'm tired of the bs I get coming out of these

1:03:02

politicians' mouths. The lion left

1:03:04

and right, right and left. But

1:03:07

here's the guy who's gonna tell it like

1:03:09

it is. I happen to believe that

1:03:11

that is destructive for the country. I

1:03:14

happen to believe that he has shredded any

1:03:16

ounce of consideration for the

1:03:18

other side and any ounce

1:03:20

of political convention that suggests we

1:03:22

have decorum and civility

1:03:25

in a way. However, in these

1:03:27

trench battles, it

1:03:29

is. It is very vicious out here,

1:03:32

and Donald Trump is throwing mud in the face,

1:03:34

sand in the face, using

1:03:36

every advantage he has, name calling

1:03:38

him the like. And we'll see what happens when this upcoming

1:03:41

debate in June where

1:03:43

Donald Trump faces off squarely against

1:03:46

President Biden, and see

1:03:48

what the consequences will be. But we cannot

1:03:51

underestimate the various

1:03:53

forces of appeal out here

1:03:56

that mitigate, that militate against

1:03:59

the entry of African American people that

1:04:02

they may be voting for. And we can't

1:04:04

pretend that just because we think it's silly

1:04:06

or crazy or dumb or unintelligent

1:04:09

or counterproductive or destructive,

1:04:11

there are interests that it's not happening.

1:04:13

We have to open our eyes and then try

1:04:16

to strategize as a result of that.

1:04:18

When we talk about poles, you have some people

1:04:20

out there who talk about it, especially somebody

1:04:22

like my buddy Roland Martin, who would

1:04:24

say, you know what they are black poles.

1:04:26

There are white poles and they are black poles.

1:04:29

Do you draw a.

1:04:29

Distinction with that? Do

1:04:32

you agree with him on that that these poles be could

1:04:34

you alluded to its potential inaccuracies

1:04:37

and they haven't talked to every black person?

1:04:39

And then indeed is a difference between

1:04:42

white poles and black poles that actually

1:04:44

exist out there where there's a palpable

1:04:47

evidence to show that dichotomy

1:04:50

that exists. Do you agree with Roland Martin on that?

1:04:53

Oh? Absolutely, I agree with nearly everything Roland

1:04:55

Martin says. But it is Stephen

1:05:00

A. Smith. I mean, you know, smart black

1:05:02

people, smart people, period, but smart

1:05:04

black people. I take him seriously,

1:05:07

so you and he certainly I take seriously. But yes,

1:05:10

I mean, and look, you know, Martin Luther King Junior

1:05:12

used to joke about this. It was common in the black community.

1:05:15

You know, when when the census

1:05:17

came, a census taker came. The reason

1:05:19

we didn't get an accurate count of black people, Doctor

1:05:21

King said, because they thought it was the bill collector. So

1:05:24

because they thought it was the bill collector, they'd answered

1:05:26

the door and we don't get our census counted.

1:05:28

That's still a problem in many instances. But the

1:05:31

point is, even if half

1:05:33

the poll is right, we in trouble. Even

1:05:35

if you cut down fifty percent of it, we

1:05:38

in trouble. And we should take it as a warning

1:05:40

sign, a volley, if

1:05:43

you will, across the bow, politically speaking,

1:05:45

that we got to do something. We got to get on our p's and

1:05:47

q's. I know, Roland, I know you, and I

1:05:49

know the most intelligent observers

1:05:52

of our community after you know, are often

1:05:54

you know, sounding the alarm. I don't care

1:05:56

what them poles are saying. Even if we say half

1:05:58

of it is right, half of is wrong, or it's off

1:06:01

by so many percentage points, and it therefore

1:06:03

doesn't truly represent Ain't

1:06:05

no problem, ain't no harm in overdoing

1:06:08

it. At halftime or was

1:06:10

it last night Anthony Edwards

1:06:13

was saying to his teammates, do not let

1:06:15

your foot off the gas.

1:06:18

So they end up winning by what forty five points?

1:06:21

So the point is that we cannot

1:06:23

let our foot off the gas. We

1:06:26

have to assume we have a formidable opponent.

1:06:28

Because we do, we have to assume that

1:06:30

there is a bleeding off, a leakage of

1:06:33

support formally accumulated

1:06:35

within African American culture and there is. And

1:06:38

so therefore, despite the fact

1:06:40

that those poles I think are off and

1:06:42

that there's a differential accorded to

1:06:45

any objective person dealing

1:06:47

with evidence and empirical verification

1:06:49

of fact, that there's

1:06:51

a difference between white poles and black poles, that's true,

1:06:54

But we got to act like we

1:06:57

are in trouble and the house

1:06:59

is on fire and what is we gonna

1:07:01

do? That's where we are, and we have

1:07:04

to be motivated to address that issue.

1:07:06

How disappointed I'm gonna use the word disappointment,

1:07:09

if not flat out fearful, even though I would almost

1:07:11

never associated that associate that last

1:07:13

word with you. How fearful

1:07:15

are you about the Democratic

1:07:18

Party not having a bullpen, not

1:07:20

having anybody lined up? Knowing

1:07:22

this man has been in this picture, on this scene,

1:07:25

this political scene, for at least

1:07:27

eight years in counting, and we

1:07:30

find ourselves relying on

1:07:32

an assumed to be eighty two year

1:07:34

old encumbered to give us four more

1:07:36

years. What does that say to you about

1:07:39

the party that you pride yourself and

1:07:42

being a part of in this Dand.

1:07:44

Yes, sir, well, first of all, I'm praying for his health as

1:07:47

number one, as a Baptist preacher. Jesus

1:07:50

please help me out. So that's number one,

1:07:53

but number two more seriously, you're

1:07:55

right, we do have to develop a bench. We

1:07:57

have to generate. And here's the thing. Here's

1:08:00

That's what I know about history, though, is

1:08:03

that there's always a ram in the bush somewhere, that

1:08:06

there's always somebody ready to step up

1:08:08

that we don't even know their name. We didn't know Anthony

1:08:10

Edwards was gonna be the beast. He was drawing

1:08:12

these comparisons to Michael Jordan

1:08:15

two years ago. Heck not even a year

1:08:17

ago. We saw him coming. We knew he was great, but we

1:08:19

didn't know. Is there a corollary

1:08:21

in the political world. Maybe not, but

1:08:24

there are, But then maybe so. There

1:08:26

are very articulate, insightful,

1:08:28

conscientious political figures. Some

1:08:30

would say a Haiking Jeffrey, some would say a Jasmine

1:08:33

Crockett. Some would say you know, younger

1:08:37

people you know out of

1:08:39

Congress of Jamal Bowman and the like, who

1:08:41

are seriously committed to making

1:08:44

a difference. There are white and black and Latino

1:08:46

politicians who are quite

1:08:49

comfortable in trying to forge

1:08:51

connections with people across the aisle, but then keeping

1:08:53

their eyes on the prize, so

1:08:56

that there are people who will certainly emerge,

1:08:58

because necessity is the mother of invention.

1:09:00

However, it is true

1:09:03

that we must be deeply and profoundly

1:09:05

committed and invested in the

1:09:08

process of developing

1:09:10

a visibly ready bench

1:09:13

of figures to step up into not

1:09:15

only the spotlight, more importantly, onto

1:09:19

the stage, to do the work that

1:09:21

is necessary to encourage

1:09:25

political progress for African

1:09:28

Americans and Latinos, and poor white folks

1:09:30

and Asian brothers and sisters and so on, who

1:09:32

are able to articulate the ideals

1:09:35

of the American democracy in

1:09:37

ways that are appealing and refreshing,

1:09:40

willing to fight for the quote the small guy

1:09:42

and woman, willing to stand up for

1:09:44

those who are poor and who

1:09:47

are middle class and do so. And there

1:09:49

are many politicians who are able to do that, So

1:09:51

we can't give into cynicism. There was a

1:09:54

quote from a black preacher

1:09:57

and professor who was

1:10:00

the mentor of Martin Luther King Junior,

1:10:02

Howard Thurman, and Howard Thurman said, never

1:10:04

reduce your dreams to the

1:10:06

event you are confronting right now. This

1:10:09

event will not exhaust the

1:10:11

infinite possibilities of your life.

1:10:14

Or your political destiny. So

1:10:17

even though it looks dreary now, we can't

1:10:20

reduce our dreams to the dreariness.

1:10:22

We've got to elevate ourselves. And remember

1:10:25

this, if you think it's bad now,

1:10:27

what was it like when Martin Luther King Junior

1:10:29

was alive, or Ralph Abernathy or Ella Baker

1:10:32

or Joanne Robinson or Rosa Parks. These

1:10:35

people had less and did more. So

1:10:38

what we can't forget is that we

1:10:40

possessed within us the ability

1:10:43

and the resource to pull a rabbit

1:10:45

out of the hat, to insist that there

1:10:48

will be a ram in the bush, and to

1:10:50

make certain not by just praying

1:10:53

and wishing and hoping, but by working

1:10:56

as hard as we can, we can help shape

1:10:59

the very destiny about which we have

1:11:01

fear or about which we have concern.

1:11:05

We are the answers we are looking for, and

1:11:07

we've got to do the work necessary to change

1:11:09

the future.

1:11:11

My very last question to you, doctor Dyson,

1:11:13

a wonderful doctor Michael Erick Dyson, right here with your

1:11:15

ise, truly, Stephen Smith and Stephen Ay Smith. You're on YouTube

1:11:18

as we sit here and we talk about race, and we talk about

1:11:20

the black vote, particularly as This presidential

1:11:22

election continues to unfold, with Donald Trump

1:11:25

and President Biden both agreeing to a debate

1:11:27

at least this June next month, and of

1:11:29

course in September, although Trump said

1:11:31

he wanted June, July, August in

1:11:34

September. But that's a different subject

1:11:36

for another day. But as we sit here and talk

1:11:38

about race, my last question to you would

1:11:40

be a race relations of a different

1:11:42

milk, and that is alluding to

1:11:45

a beautiful article that you wrote in

1:11:47

The Philadelphia Citizen that I have

1:11:49

right in front of me. If you're looking for go to the Philadelphia

1:11:51

the Philadelphia Citizen dot org

1:11:54

to find this article entitled

1:11:56

why Kendrick Versus Drake

1:11:58

as in Kendrick Lamar versus the One and

1:12:01

Only Drake is a proxy war.

1:12:03

The rap battle everyone is talking about is

1:12:05

really about race, identity, Black

1:12:08

slash Jewish relations. In this American

1:12:10

moment, a Citizen exclusive from

1:12:12

a best selling author, an elite

1:12:15

public intellectual. That man would

1:12:17

be the one I'm talking to right now, doctor

1:12:19

Michael Eric Dyson.

1:12:20

What incited you to write this article that.

1:12:23

Was published May fifteenth and you could catch it now

1:12:26

and what message did you want

1:12:28

to get out theater and disseminate to the masses.

1:12:31

See, I'm glad I'm talking to the Great

1:12:33

Stephen A Smith because in other fora

1:12:36

you know, I've had to hold my powder and be

1:12:39

more balanced. And so I'm

1:12:41

pissed that Drake gets dismissed

1:12:45

off the scene when he's been Drake

1:12:47

for fifteen years and you act like

1:12:49

you didn't know that. Now he's not really black?

1:12:51

Oh he was black? When he's recorded more

1:12:54

songs with jay Z than most of these rappers last

1:12:56

time I checked. Jay Z is real, he ain't fake.

1:12:59

Challenge his racial identity, saying

1:13:02

he's a culture vulture when he's an act,

1:13:04

when he's a black man, he's from Canada, he ain't

1:13:06

real. Idris Elba is from the UK.

1:13:09

People still love him on the wire. So

1:13:11

why is it that being outside of our geography,

1:13:13

outside of our nationality raises

1:13:16

suspicions about Drake? Now you can judge

1:13:18

that you can debate the war

1:13:22

between Kendrick and Drake

1:13:24

in terms of you know the quintuple,

1:13:27

you know entendras that Kendrick

1:13:30

Lamar unleashes. Kendrick Lamar is a brilliant

1:13:32

rapper and a formidable folk,

1:13:35

but so is Drake and what he's done

1:13:37

to expand the horizon of

1:13:39

hip hop is underestimated,

1:13:42

even artistically. I'm saying people, while

1:13:44

he goes into one style and he does that,

1:13:46

and he goes over to UK drill and he does that. He goes

1:13:48

over to balance music, he does that, he does with the Caribbean.

1:13:50

He does this. Why are you looking

1:13:53

at a positive as a negative? Senko

1:13:56

DeMaio just passed. They had a special

1:13:58

Senko demaiyo a

1:14:01

celebration for jay Z in Sinko DeMaio

1:14:03

because jay Z has been attracted to Latino

1:14:05

culture, speaking Spanish all through

1:14:08

his music, and they had an entire

1:14:10

program celebrating jay Z.

1:14:12

Was jay Z a coach.

1:14:13

Don't forget Oji Wan, I mean

1:14:15

forget now. His brother is right in

1:14:18

now, I mean, come on, come

1:14:21

on now, we all know Wan.

1:14:22

And Desiree Perez his wife,

1:14:25

that's right, that is o j Wan O j

1:14:27

Wan and the woman who runs

1:14:30

his you know, rock Nation. So the point is that

1:14:33

is that that is jay Z a

1:14:35

culture voture. No, we have to stop

1:14:37

this narrow, punishing, pernicious

1:14:40

limited viewpoint about blackness. Yes,

1:14:42

have a debate about who's the greatest. Have a debate

1:14:44

about rhetorical skills. But but, but

1:14:47

let me tell you what. As Lupe Fiasco, no

1:14:50

slouch as a rhetorician and one of the

1:14:52

greatest lyricists ever, said that he

1:14:54

would put Drake slightly

1:14:57

above Kendrick Lamar. That's

1:15:00

a minor minority position, but

1:15:02

it's a very powerful one. He's saying that Drake

1:15:05

got bars. So we missed Drake because

1:15:07

of this other madness, the distorting impact

1:15:10

of the metrics that we evoke his being

1:15:13

Jewish and white and not so

1:15:15

called black. So was Barack Obama a

1:15:18

mixed race person? And my dear brother,

1:15:21

I heard you know that

1:15:24

he's a friend of both of ours when we go in the

1:15:26

breakfast club all the time. Charlemagne to

1:15:28

God called it. He said this half negro.

1:15:31

And I want to say, Charlemagne, there's a lot

1:15:33

of half negroes out here who have done tremendous

1:15:35

work for African American culture. So

1:15:38

that the name calling,

1:15:40

the kind of ad hominem remarks

1:15:42

as opposed to a full

1:15:44

on embrace of the rhetorical

1:15:47

diversity and splendor that is

1:15:49

Drake, to me, that would be a

1:15:52

fairer fight. Then we could make an estimation

1:15:54

of what's going on, and then that piece. Of course, I also

1:15:56

talk about this being a proxy war for

1:15:59

other issues that are out there, and we can talk

1:16:01

about those another time. But dealing with the

1:16:03

war in Gaza, dealing with DEEI,

1:16:05

dealing with black excellence, dealing with rhetorical

1:16:08

power, dealing with education, dealing

1:16:11

with the colorism we see in our own

1:16:13

communities, because there's no question that

1:16:15

light bright, almost white was a

1:16:17

thing, is a thing, and we have to pay

1:16:19

attention to that. At the same time, we

1:16:22

know that Clarence Thomas is a dark

1:16:24

skin black man. We know that Candace

1:16:27

Owns is a brown skin black woman, and they

1:16:29

are legitimately black. I don't contest their

1:16:31

blackness. It's the moral content of their

1:16:33

identities and their public policies

1:16:35

that I would have a difference with. So I'm arguing,

1:16:38

gotcha in this sense for us to understand

1:16:41

the power and the prolific character of

1:16:43

a genius like Aubrey Drake

1:16:45

Graham.

1:16:46

We'll get more into that subject in the

1:16:48

future, because we got to go right now. You know

1:16:50

what that is.

1:16:51

That's a fall back position. Anytime black folks

1:16:53

got a problem with with other black folks, somebody

1:16:55

sold out in somebody's eyes, that's the ultimate argument.

1:16:58

And I think that Kendrick Lamar heard himself

1:17:00

with that one point that you just articulated

1:17:02

so brilliantly. I got to get on out of here. But

1:17:04

I appreciate your time. You're brilliant, your excellence,

1:17:07

your insight, your historical

1:17:09

facts that you're through out there as well. Appreciate

1:17:12

you, Love you, and thank you for taking so much time out of your

1:17:14

busy schedule. And by the way, I know that

1:17:16

we gonna catch you soon because you're doing an interview

1:17:18

with my man Bill mau for Club Random.

1:17:20

I know that's gonna be off the chain as well

1:17:23

with his crazy self.

1:17:24

Love you, Love you, bro. I appreciate you. Doctor.

1:17:27

Thank you so much for this Appartake it easy, ladies

1:17:30

and gentlemen. That's it for today's show.

1:17:31

I wanted to thank again one and only, doctor Michael

1:17:33

Ewick dice If for coming on the show, blessing

1:17:35

us with his presence, his knowledge, and.

1:17:38

His historical perspectives. No

1:17:40

question, it is needed in this day and age.

1:17:42

I just felt compelled to tackle that subject because

1:17:44

once again I'm reiterating a point

1:17:46

that I was making all along.

1:17:49

I'm not one of them, But there are black

1:17:52

folks out there.

1:17:54

That are veering away and are

1:17:56

looking to support not

1:17:59

Joe Biden, but Donald Trump.

1:18:01

It cannot be ignored. It should

1:18:04

not be ignored. Networks

1:18:06

are not ignoring it, the people

1:18:08

are.

1:18:08

Not ignoring it. I'll be damned

1:18:10

if I'm going to I'm not going to do

1:18:12

that. But I appreciate

1:18:15

doctor Michael Erck Dyson's voice. I can't wait to get

1:18:17

my man Roland Martin back on here. And

1:18:19

by the way, conservatives, black

1:18:22

conservatives of a different opinion whose

1:18:24

voice resonates, who have people

1:18:26

who want to listen to and hear what they have to

1:18:28

say, You're welcomed on the

1:18:30

show too.

1:18:31

I'm not leaving anybody out. I

1:18:34

take them all, liberals and conservatives,

1:18:37

black, white Latinos. It doesn't matter

1:18:39

to me.

1:18:39

As long as the conversation is respectful, substantive,

1:18:43

and fear and edifying.

1:18:46

Those are my requirements. I hope

1:18:48

you can respect that. Gotta get on out

1:18:50

of here for the day.

1:18:51

Got a knixed Pacers game six Eastern

1:18:55

Conference semifinal series to cover, so

1:18:57

I gotta get on out of here. I hope

1:18:59

y'all all have a wonderful wonderful weekend and

1:19:02

I will see you on Monday. Until

1:19:04

then, peace, love everybody.

1:19:07

I'm out.