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I like the term counterbalance because

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I feel like , depending on what season of life

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you're in , something is going to take priority

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more than others , and

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I firmly believe that you can

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only focus on three major

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things at a time . So imagine you're juggling

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, you can have three balls , but as soon as you add , like another

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major one in the mix , like all the

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balls are going to fall to the ground .

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Welcome to the Speech Source Podcast

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. My name is Mary Brzeek and

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I'm Kim Dillon .

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We are two pediatric speech-language

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pathologists with a combined 25

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years of experience .

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We are your source for speech , language

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feeding , play and much more in

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between . This season

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, on the Speech Source Podcast , we are going

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to be interviewing 12 incredible

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SLP entrepreneurs who

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have all built their own businesses

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. Some of these women are app

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designers , content and digital

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course creators . Some are podcast

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hosts , speakers , coaches

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, business owners , so much

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more . These women are going to

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give us all the inside scoop on how

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it's done as a speech pathologist

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, going off and building

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your own business . So join

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us each week as we hear their journey

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and how they built their SLP

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business hear

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their journey and how they built their SLP business .

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Welcome to today's episode . We have a guest today . It is Vanita Litvak , and

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she is a speech therapist who owns her own business

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. She is also a podcaster

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and we are excited to hear

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everything that she has to share with us today

1:40

. So welcome , vanita .

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Thank you , mary , thank you , kim . I'm super

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excited to be here today .

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Would you start off by telling us how

1:49

you got into the field of speech

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therapy ?

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I was just counting the other day

1:54

that it's been like 10 years since I've been

1:56

in the field . I think that's so wild

1:58

. It feels like yesterday . But

2:01

I'll take you all the way back

2:03

to 2012

2:05

. I was actually an undergraduate

2:09

in psychology and

2:11

I had done an internship for a local

2:13

psychologist and hated

2:15

it like absolutely hated it . And I

2:17

was like , oh no , what have I done ? I

2:20

spent the last four years getting my degree

2:22

in psychology . What am I going

2:24

to do now ? And it was

2:26

just a terrible feeling . I remember talking

2:28

with my sister-in-law , who's a physical therapist

2:31

, and explaining how I felt and

2:33

how horrible the mentorship was . And

2:36

she was like , have you ever considered speech-language

2:38

pathology ? You'll always have a job . There's

2:41

such a need for speech-language pathologists

2:43

, especially in the schools . And I was like , no

2:46

, so we didn't have a

2:48

undergraduate program for that at my

2:50

university , so that's probably why it never

2:52

came up on my radar . I've always

2:54

been interested in early

2:56

education , the pediatric

2:59

population . At the time

3:01

when I was in my undergraduate program , I was actually

3:03

working for a local behavior company under a BCBA . And at the time when I was in my undergraduate program , I was actually working for a local behavior

3:05

company under a BCBA and at the time

3:07

it was called an ABA line therapist

3:10

. I think they have a different title now . But

3:12

I really just like working with

3:14

autistic individuals and I was already starting to work

3:16

with AAC back then , and

3:19

so there's no undergraduate program

3:21

, but let me take a linguistics class and see

3:23

what it's like , and I loved it . I fell in love

3:25

and so I applied to both

3:27

psychology because I already had spent

3:29

so much money and time on that degree

3:32

and I applied to speech language pathology

3:34

programs and thankfully

3:36

I got into UCF

3:38

, which is here in Florida

3:40

. My mom still lives in Orlando , so I

3:42

got to spend a lot more time with her and

3:45

my grandma before she passed . I feel like it

3:47

was totally meant to be

3:49

the fact that I got into UCF

3:51

and got to spend so much time with my family while I was

3:53

there , because grad school is stressful I'm

3:55

sure you guys can relate to that . So

3:58

I left grad school , moved

4:00

back down to South Florida with my husband

4:02

and started working

4:05

at a school for

4:07

autism , and there

4:09

I already started

4:12

niching down into AAC

4:14

. We didn't have anybody

4:16

from our district who was supporting

4:18

the school in providing AAC

4:21

devices . I'll remind you , the school was primarily

4:24

for autistic children , and there was

4:26

no AAC use at

4:28

all in the school . When I was there , like

4:30

some low tech , they were doing picture exchange

4:33

but they had closets of mid-tech

4:35

devices and some

4:37

iPads with apps but no one

4:39

was using AAC because there was nobody to come

4:42

and support them . The assistive

4:44

technology specialist for our school district

4:47

came and met with me and she was

4:49

like hey , we're technically not supposed to support your

4:51

school , but if you would like to

4:53

take on AAC lead for your

4:55

school , you can totally do that and I'll talk

4:57

with you and answer any questions that you have about the

4:59

evaluation process . So

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I got to do that for a little bit . That

5:03

was my CF year and I was like I've

5:06

done a lot with AAC , but what about all of

5:08

these other areas of the field

5:10

like stuttering and feeding and

5:12

dyslexia and all of the other areas

5:14

? So I left there and went to work

5:16

for a private practice and

5:19

it was a great experience because

5:21

you really do get thrown into

5:24

it and you get to experience all

5:26

different varieties of communication

5:28

disorders and I found out that

5:30

I still really love AAC after trying

5:32

everything else . So I left there

5:35

and became an AAC

5:37

consultant for PRC Saltillo

5:39

and that was an amazing

5:41

position because not only

5:43

is it AAC but you're learning a lot

5:46

about assistive technology and alternative access

5:48

so eye gaze , switch scanning

5:50

, head pointing and

5:52

then how to get devices funded

5:54

and not denied . I probably assisted

5:57

hundreds of SLPs in writing

5:59

AAC evaluation reports and

6:02

getting them approved through insurance , so

6:04

I felt like that whole experience

6:07

was super valuable . But

6:09

it involved a lot of driving . As a

6:11

consultant I had to drive

6:13

the entire South of

6:16

Florida so I would go to the West coast

6:18

, which could be like four hours away in my furthest

6:20

location , and my husband

6:22

and I were wanting to start a family , so I didn't

6:24

see that as like a long term solution

6:27

. I found out there was a position

6:30

opening up in our local school district

6:32

for an assistive technology specialist , and

6:34

those don't come around very often . If

6:36

anybody listened to this is in the

6:38

AAC , they know that those positions don't come

6:40

around very often , and so

6:42

then I left that position to go

6:45

work in the schools as an assistive

6:47

technology specialist and I got to support

6:49

over 52 middle school SLPs

6:51

in using

6:54

AAC doing AAC evaluations

6:56

, and that was a great

6:58

like position as well . But as everybody who

7:00

has worked in the schools or works in the school knows there's

7:02

so much red tape and

7:05

I just don't do very well

7:07

with boundaries and red

7:09

tape . I like people who say yes right

7:11

away . I like to find solutions

7:13

to things right away , and I think that's what led me

7:16

to be the entrepreneur that I

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am today . I know there's a lot of

7:20

layers to unpack here

7:22

, but while I was working at that school

7:24

for autism , I co-authored a book series

7:27

with my CM mentor

7:29

actually at the time , and it got published

7:31

by Boys Town Press . So while

7:33

I was doing all of those positions

7:36

, I was also trying to

7:38

market the book series . And that's how Speechy

7:40

Side Up came about and we started the podcast

7:43

to basically share about the book

7:45

and interview other authors and other speech language

7:47

pathologists and kind of found

7:50

that it wasn't parents that were listening to

7:52

the podcast or hanging out on Instagram , but it was

7:54

FLPs , and so that's

7:56

how Speechy Side Up has evolved

7:58

into what it is today and how I

8:01

decided to branch out and become an entrepreneur

8:04

.

8:04

That was fast right ? That's

8:07

amazing Just a decade's worth of work

8:09

in a few minutes , no problem

8:11

, exactly

8:13

Okay . So let's start

8:16

with Lou Knows what To Do

8:18

, which is your book series . I

8:20

was really intrigued by the whole concept

8:23

that this was the story of a young boy

8:25

who doesn't

8:27

have the coping skills

8:29

to be able to go in a situation

8:31

. Maybe they're anxious or nervous

8:34

or neurodivergent . What

8:37

led you to think there was a need

8:39

for books like that on

8:41

the market , more than just a social story

8:43

, but actually a book , a published

8:45

book about Lou ?

8:47

Yeah , so at that time , so like

8:49

10 years ago , social

8:51

stories were used

8:53

quite a bit and they were like

8:56

evidence-based . But now

8:58

we know better that , learning from autistic

9:00

individuals , that social stories might not be

9:02

the best way to go about things . It

9:04

should be more about accepting their

9:07

differences . So I don't

9:09

promote the books as much nowadays just

9:12

because they would have to be rewritten and

9:14

republished , but at the time

9:16

, because social stories were evidence-based

9:19

and were used quite a bit , I was

9:21

talking with my CF mentor and I was like hey

9:23

, I would love to talk to my class about going

9:26

to a birthday party and what to expect

9:28

, or going to a grocery store and what to expect

9:30

, but I don't see anything

9:32

on the market that is written in a way

9:34

that like social stories should be written , and there were

9:36

some criteria for social stories at the

9:38

time . So that's basically why

9:41

we created who knows what to do back then

9:43

.

9:43

So with your CF it sounds

9:46

like one you just had a

9:48

really great mentor from the very beginning

9:51

, and starting out you did allow yourself

9:53

to go see what else was out there , and then

9:55

you came back . Do you feel like you can

9:57

say this is where you

9:59

were meant to be and what you wanted to do , because

10:02

you experienced some of those

10:04

other areas ?

10:05

Yeah , 100% . So I work with a business

10:07

coach too , so I will save you guys a lot of

10:09

money on what I've learned with

10:11

my business coach . But one of the biggest

10:14

takeaways that I've learned from her is

10:16

, when you're feeling stuck , just

10:18

try anything . Try anything that

10:20

has been on your heart or that you've been thinking about

10:22

, and then that'll guide you in

10:24

the right direction . So , for instance , last

10:26

year I was feeling really stuck

10:28

in a job and I

10:31

had my continuing ed company

10:33

tasks , like a podcast going . But

10:35

I had also been thinking about

10:37

running mommy and me classes or caregiver

10:39

and me classes , and I had gotten a certification

10:42

through learn with left , but I had done nothing with

10:44

it for an entire year . So she

10:46

was like , just go and start . But I don't know

10:48

if you're like this or maybe somebody that's listening

10:50

. Whenever I do something , I feel like I have to do a very

10:52

big , I can't do small

10:54

. So we've been working on that together to

10:57

just try things , but in

10:59

a small way . So what

11:01

that looked like instead of me offering an eight

11:03

series class for caregivers and their

11:05

children , just doing one class and

11:07

doing it for free with my friends and seeing

11:10

what that felt like , what the energy

11:12

was like what I can learn from it and

11:14

I actually really enjoyed it at the time . My daughter was

11:16

a lot younger . There was nothing like that

11:18

in the area at the time because

11:20

we were coming off of COVID , but

11:22

it was something that families really needed

11:24

and so I loved

11:27

it . And then I learned something from that experience

11:29

and then I think for nine months , I started offering

11:31

caregiver and me classes in the area and

11:34

what that led to was referrals for my private practice

11:36

. So I no longer do the caregiver

11:38

and me classes , but it led to referral

11:40

. So I feel like , even if you try

11:43

something and that's not what

11:45

you end up doing , it'll lead to something

11:47

else . That experience also

11:49

led me to realize

11:52

that hassle and my continuing

11:54

ed company was my passion . Doing

11:56

podcasting for a living and

11:59

getting to just communicate with people

12:01

and then providing value to other

12:03

SLP that is my passion . I

12:05

get so excited when I wake up on

12:07

an event day , so we do conferences Whenever

12:09

it's like a conference day , it's like the best day of the

12:11

year . So I know that's what I'm meant

12:14

to do , because I think if you wake up and you don't

12:16

feel good about what you're doing , then that's a huge

12:18

red flag that that's probably not

12:20

your calling or your purpose .

12:24

So how did you go about finding a

12:26

business coach ? Was this someone that

12:28

you were connected to along the way

12:30

as you were interviewing , or at what point

12:32

in your career and your podcasting

12:35

did you feel like you know what ? This is someone

12:37

that I could use .

12:38

So I actually found her on Yelp . Believe

12:41

it or not . She had a lot of good reviews

12:43

Other places that I've looked for my

12:45

virtual assistant . I found her on LinkedIn

12:47

. I think sometimes in our field

12:50

good recommendations can come at a very

12:52

high cost because they've

12:54

already maybe worked with someone who's more successful

12:56

in the field . And I am

12:58

very big on budgeting . So

13:00

my coach is not cheap , but

13:03

I feel like she's very reasonable versus someone that

13:05

might be like 300 400 an hour

13:07

. We've been working together for over

13:09

a year now , maybe a year and a half . We've changed

13:11

the cadence every time . In the beginning it was every week

13:14

and then we went to every month . Now we're back to

13:16

every two weeks . So I feel like it's

13:18

reasonable that's

13:21

really neat .

13:22

That really reminds me a little

13:24

bit of a therapy schedule from

13:26

your psychology background makes sense

13:28

, but someone who is going to invest

13:31

in you , but then more so

13:33

than what a therapist could do . This

13:35

person can specifically develop

13:37

you as your entrepreneur self

13:40

and then help you execute . So

13:43

one of the episodes that I've listened

13:45

to of yours I've done a deep dive as well

13:47

and absolutely love it was I

13:49

just listened to your vision board

13:52

episode and

13:54

you shared this personality test

13:56

that you took . I took the same

13:58

. I think we have a few things in common . It's

14:00

really hard to execute when you're a perfectionist

14:03

and when you seek excellence and

14:05

beauty in what you do , there's always

14:07

something that can be designed better or

14:09

thought through better or add on

14:11

something more . How do you fight

14:14

through perfectionism

14:16

and execution ?

14:18

I feel like that took a long time . I

14:22

am also a type three Enneagram . Do

14:24

you know what your Enneagrams are ? I'm

14:26

a one , one , okay , and

14:28

then you can . I'm two , all

14:30

right . So we're one , two and three . But

14:33

I'd be curious to take it now , because

14:36

the person that I was when I took it before

14:38

is very different . Now , especially after

14:40

becoming a mom , I feel like I had to

14:42

let a lot of that perfectionism go

14:45

. You just don't have enough time in the day . I

14:47

think that in the beginning I

14:49

wanted everything to be perfect , but now I

14:51

know this is cheesy , but done is better than perfect

14:54

. I just get it out there and then I get feedback

14:56

from people and then I revise it

14:58

. So that's basically

15:00

my motto Now .

15:01

I would say get it done and then you

15:03

can always change it as you have

15:06

that dynamic feedback that you're getting

15:08

Exactly .

15:10

Yeah , I have a question back

15:12

on . Once you started podcasting

15:14

, when did Tassel come

15:16

into effect or how did that line up ? How

15:18

long had you been podcasting ? How

15:20

did that vision come about and what was the

15:22

process of creating that

15:24

?

15:25

How did that vision come about and what was the process of creating

15:28

that ? So

15:32

I think it happened maybe a year and a half after I started the podcast

15:34

and there were a lot of signs to pursue Tassel , like to become

15:36

a CEU provider . My dad

15:38

, I think , had mentioned it first , because my dad's

15:41

a hearing specialist so he like knows all about

15:43

ASHA , so I think he mentioned it

15:45

first . I think we had several

15:47

listeners who were like okay , it's

15:49

so great to listen to the podcast and it's

15:52

such valuable information , but I just wish we could

15:54

earn ASHA CEUs for this as

15:56

well . And then

15:58

I think several people kept mentioning

16:00

it and I was like okay , I hear you

16:03

and this is what you want . So I'll

16:05

definitely try to get

16:07

it become an ASHA CE provider so that while you're

16:09

listening , you can also earn credits . And

16:12

it took a lot longer than I expected

16:14

. I know it doesn't take this long for other people , but

16:16

I had other things going on a full time job

16:18

so it took us two years to become

16:21

a CE provider . I think other people

16:23

can do it in a much shorter time , but

16:25

I think it happened that way for a reason

16:27

too . So in order

16:29

to become a CE provider , you have to have

16:31

three courses

16:34

that are in the same format that you would do as a CE

16:36

provider and remember I had

16:38

mentioned earlier I don't do things very small

16:40

, so of course I didn't offer three courses

16:42

by themselves . I decided to do a full

16:44

conference with eight courses

16:46

. For the first time you have to partner

16:49

with someone who's already a provider who

16:51

agrees to do it . So , like my

16:53

company , we don't offer that , but

16:55

UCF did , which was my alma

16:57

mater . So I thought that that was really cool

17:00

in full circle , that I got to

17:02

collaborate with them in

17:06

full circle , that I got to collaborate with them offer this conference . The

17:08

conference was very successful and that kind of led to where

17:10

we are now and that's what we continue

17:12

to do is offer these conferences . But

17:14

after that , maybe four months after

17:16

we became a provider .

17:19

I was curious on how you got the information

17:21

out about your conference and how you marketed

17:23

that .

17:24

You're really racking my memory today

17:26

, let me think back , because that was like probably

17:29

three years ago , and then there were a lot of sleepless

17:31

nights after that with my newborn , now

17:33

toddler . But at the time

17:35

I want to say we probably marketed primarily

17:38

on Instagram because that's where

17:40

we were hanging out a lot . I'm sure we marketed

17:42

maybe on the podcast too . My newsletter

17:45

list wasn't that big back then and

17:47

I think we maybe offered it for

17:49

free , if I recall correctly

17:51

. So the conference was for free

17:53

, but if they wanted to earn like ashes , there

17:55

might've been an upcharge for that . We

17:58

also had Michelle Garcia winner as our keynote

18:00

speaker , so I think that helped a lot in

18:02

getting the word out .

18:04

When you start something like

18:06

a podcast , so much of starting

18:08

something new is this passion project

18:10

, and then at some

18:12

point your passion

18:15

project you realize

18:17

hold on . This is actually a business

18:19

and we have listeners and people

18:21

are wanting more , and to be

18:23

able to put out a podcast consistently

18:26

and every week takes a lot of time

18:28

, a lot of planning , a lot of editing

18:30

, so many hours . So can

18:33

you tell us a little bit about the way

18:35

that your podcast

18:37

went from being a project to

18:39

really being a profit

18:41

for your business ?

18:44

Honestly , I feel like

18:46

, from the beginning , the podcast

18:48

did very well . It always

18:50

had a lot of interest

18:53

from the beginning . That's how I knew this is what

18:55

I was meant to be doing , because when you start

18:57

things and it's really difficult and

18:59

you always feel like it's this uphill battle , all

19:02

the stars aligned with the podcast , like

19:04

it's this uphill battle , all the stars aligned with the podcast , and this

19:06

was also something that , like multiple people had said to start , and

19:08

I kept procrastinating , kept putting it off

19:10

, kept putting it off , and when I finally started , it

19:12

just went so well . So

19:15

I think that this is what I'm

19:17

actually meant to be doing and

19:19

I'm also so passionate about it too , and that

19:21

passion continues to stay there . As

19:23

you guys have heard , I have switched job

19:26

settings quite a bit because I can tell

19:28

very quickly when something is not a good fit

19:30

. And look , I've been doing the podcast now

19:32

since 2018 . That says a

19:34

lot about me personally . I'm

19:37

very good at checking in with my intuition

19:39

and if it's not something that's

19:41

aligning with that and I don't see myself doing it in five

19:43

years I try to find an exit strategy very

19:45

quickly with it . So thankfully

19:47

, I have not had to do that with the podcast

19:49

at all and , as you mentioned

19:52

, podcasting is very time consuming

19:54

. It's very expensive . I

19:57

have been doing this since 2018 and did not

19:59

make a profit until last year , so

20:01

you have to be in it for the long game

20:03

and this isn't something I would recommend

20:05

. Like quitting your full-time job and then going

20:07

to do and even being an ASHA

20:10

CEU provider is not our

20:13

focus . I'm not like hey , like you're

20:15

listening to the podcast , to get ASHA CEUs

20:17

. That's not our mission . Our mission is

20:19

bigger than that . We want

20:22

to make it a community-based

20:24

learning experience . We want to make learning a community-based learning experience . We want to make learning

20:26

a lifestyle and not something that you have

20:28

to quickly catch up on before your

20:30

interval is due at the end of the year . So

20:32

it's hey , you're listening anyways , you're

20:34

enjoying the content anyways . Why not

20:36

get rewarded for that as well ? Or

20:39

, if you don't even care about ASHA's CEUs

20:41

, come and join our community

20:44

, our group masterminds or conferences

20:47

, because that experience , that

20:49

live experience , is so

20:51

special . There's nothing like it , honestly

20:53

, besides the Asha convention . If you go to any other

20:56

type of convention , like , there's something really

20:58

special about getting a group of people

21:00

together and talking about something you really love

21:03

. So if you take ASHA

21:05

out of the equation like , we still have

21:07

all of that as part of our business model

21:09

and our mission .

21:11

And when you can be around like-minded people like that

21:13

, it's encouraging . It's a reminder

21:15

of why you're doing what you're

21:17

doing . You enjoy

21:19

presenting and teaching . Is

21:21

that something that you knew

21:24

, or even before

21:26

going into the field that you wanted to teach

21:28

or present ? Or is that something that just came

21:31

as you started working

21:34

?

21:35

It must've come as I started working

21:37

more , because I used to be like terrified

21:40

of presenting , terrified Like

21:43

I would get panic attacks

21:45

. I would get so nervous before . So

21:48

, as I mentioned before , I think that

21:50

every job experience , everything

21:52

that you try , you learn something

21:54

from that . So when I was

21:56

a PRC consultant

21:59

, I had to do a lot of presentations

22:01

. They were an ASHA CEU provider , so

22:03

I was presenting ASHA

22:05

accredited courses for

22:08

SLPs in my area and

22:10

, no kidding , I would practice

22:13

the one or three hour presentations

22:15

at least three times before I presented at

22:17

home to my husband who would fall

22:19

asleep as I was practicing

22:22

it in bed . But thankfully that's

22:24

not the case anymore . You

22:26

have to practice it a lot to feel better at

22:28

it . I think it's with anything you've probably

22:30

heard the stats like with sports

22:33

you have to do it for what ? 20,000

22:35

hours or something that to get like

22:37

really good at it . I obviously didn't

22:39

do that many , but I definitely have practiced

22:42

a lot of presentations

22:44

. So I feel a lot more comfortable now .

22:47

Another thing that you do really well is interview

22:49

. You have so many guests on

22:52

your show and there

22:54

is definitely an art to

22:56

interviewing . I know , kim and I feel like we're

22:58

still learning it as you were developing

23:02

your interviewing skills , was there

23:04

anything that you turned to to research

23:06

how to interview someone

23:08

, or maybe someone that

23:11

you thought was a very good interviewer

23:13

that you were trying to model yourself after ?

23:17

If you go back and listen to our initial episodes

23:20

, you will see where I started , where

23:22

Kim started . It's very different

23:24

than it is now . Again , I've

23:26

had hundreds of episodes to

23:29

practice on right In the beginning

23:31

I would say so much and it drove me crazy

23:33

. I had to edit out every single like . Had

23:35

to do a lot of editing in the beginning . Now

23:37

I don't think we do edit , but there's no need

23:39

to edit . We really should stop . Thankfully

23:42

, we were able to get over a

23:44

lot of those interjections

23:46

, but I don't think there's anybody

23:48

that I turned to

23:50

or learned from Maybe

23:53

Jenna Kutcher . I listened to her

23:56

episodes a lot . One thing that

23:58

I noticed with Jenna Kutcher is when

24:00

she talks , you can tell her hands are

24:02

up . You can tell she has a lot of energy in it . You can tell she's

24:04

smiling . That is the biggest thing for me . I

24:06

don't know what it is , but I can tell when I'm listening

24:08

to somebody if they're smiling , they're

24:11

speaking or not . So

24:13

I may have looked up , like online

24:15

, some tips , but no , I never had any

24:17

formal training or never really turned to

24:19

anybody to say , oh , that's a really great interviewer

24:22

. I'd like to learn from them One

24:24

of the things I used to do to and maybe

24:26

I'm doing it today , I don't know but I used to

24:28

think that I had to fill the silence

24:31

with small talk . So

24:33

that's something that I had to get over and just

24:35

say , okay , I can stop . Now I don't need to keep

24:37

talking or filling in this void or comment

24:39

on every single thing that a guest says

24:41

. It's not really about my story , it's

24:43

about their story and getting more clarity

24:46

on what they're trying to say and putting

24:48

, like , the listener's perspective into

24:50

play and thinking about okay , based on

24:52

what that guest just said , what

24:54

is the listener thinking and what kind of follow-up

24:56

questions do they have ? So that's

24:59

something I think I've just learned over time . That's

25:01

really great advice .

25:03

Okay , All of the things that we're hearing

25:06

. You have a private practice

25:08

, you have a wonderful

25:10

podcast , you're doing conferences , you've

25:12

published in the past and

25:14

you have a family . So let's talk a

25:16

little bit about that phrase

25:19

work-life balance and

25:22

, more so , how you juggle , or

25:24

how you manage and allot your time . I know you're

25:26

really big on budgeting , so I

25:28

think of budgeting as an allocation of

25:30

your time , your finances

25:33

, your energy . How do you

25:35

budget or allocate to be able

25:37

to accomplish all the things that you do ?

25:41

Yeah , I feel like that's a

25:43

constant struggle

25:45

for anybody , and I like the term

25:47

counterbalance because I

25:49

feel like , depending on what season of life you're

25:51

in , something is going to take priority

25:54

more than others . And

25:56

I firmly believe that you can

25:58

only focus on three major

26:00

things at a time . So imagine you're juggling

26:02

, you can have three balls , but as soon as you add like another

26:05

major one in the mix , like all the

26:07

balls are going to fall to the ground . So

26:09

right now , in

26:11

this stage of life , I feel

26:14

like my big three things are

26:16

my daughter , my my daughter

26:18

and my husband I will say family

26:20

, we'll lump them together my health

26:22

so like playing

26:25

sports , working with a trainer

26:27

and then my businesses

26:30

. But the business

26:32

piece is helped because I

26:34

have a virtual assistant who's

26:36

been with me now for wow

26:39

, four years . Oh my gosh , I love her

26:41

so much . So she's been

26:43

a tremendous help . And now we have

26:45

Kim coming back on . So Kim

26:47

started the podcast with me . She coauthored

26:49

the book series with me . Kim has taken

26:52

so many turns in her life . She actually

26:54

left the field for a little bit , but now she's back

26:56

in it and so just recently

26:58

, in the last month , she's come on board

27:00

to help us out . And then I have a podcast editor who

27:02

I found through Upwork , because any

27:05

of those monotonous tasks

27:07

like the things that have to be done but aren't

27:09

that exciting , I try

27:12

to have somebody else take those

27:14

as quickly as possible . So

27:16

those are the things that I've given to

27:18

other people to do so that I could focus on

27:20

the other things and the bigger things and then growing

27:22

the company as well .

27:25

That was one of my questions for you is

27:27

what you outsource , and

27:29

you answered that . But my follow-up

27:31

question to that is outsourcing

27:35

. Sometimes for me it

27:37

makes me think of loss of control in some

27:39

of those areas , and so with

27:41

something like editing , was that

27:43

hard for you to give that over , just

27:45

knowing that you were losing a little bit of

27:47

that control , or did you go through that process

27:49

and it happened and then you saw the

27:51

benefit from it ?

27:54

Yeah , I think because I

27:56

had a couple of employees

27:58

prior to my virtual assistant

28:01

I think I started to

28:03

and then hiring nannies as a whole other

28:05

thing . But I think you start to

28:07

learn what you value in a person

28:09

and who is going to make a really good employee

28:11

. So my virtual assistant has

28:14

done basically every role in

28:16

the company . She's not only the

28:18

continuing education administrator , so she does

28:20

all the filing for ASHA , but

28:23

she's done Pinterest and social media

28:25

and newsletter writing . She's very

28:27

flexible and she's willing to learn . So

28:30

that , I think , is something

28:33

that not a lot of people have . She's

28:35

super dynamic and that's been

28:37

amazing and she's very passionate

28:40

about this too . She's very invested in the business

28:42

and , in terms of the podcast

28:44

editor , she is

28:46

just consistent and

28:49

inexpensive . Because I'm on a budget

28:51

and , yeah , she's

28:53

also a mom , so I think she gets it

28:55

a little bit as well and she enjoys

28:58

listening to the episodes . But Zapier

29:01

, so if you're not ready to hire out

29:03

, like maybe you're still in the beginning

29:05

and you're still like trying to budget , zapier

29:08

is is amazing . Do you guys use that at all ? No

29:11

, tell us about it . Oh my gosh , you're

29:13

going to have to leave this interview and go look Zapier

29:16

. So I book

29:18

all of everybody who

29:20

schedules an interview through

29:23

Calendly . From that contact

29:26

all the way to the podcast episode

29:28

being posted is run on automations

29:31

. So once somebody schedules an

29:33

interview it goes into an

29:35

Excel sheet and then it

29:37

creates an outline and

29:39

it creates a zoom link and

29:42

it sends a email

29:44

to that person to remind them

29:46

of their interview and to ask them to send

29:48

a headshot . It sends

29:50

the information to the podcast

29:52

editor . So everything is automated

29:55

. It took me a good week to set it up

29:57

on Zapier so it wasn't easy

29:59

initially . Basically , this is systems and

30:01

processes , right Like . Creating good systems

30:04

and processes will help

30:06

take your business so much further because

30:08

you don't have to be in

30:10

it all of the time .

30:13

And then you can use that time

30:15

for your actual interviews , which is

30:17

where your skills are really best

30:19

utilized .

30:20

I did see that you put out

30:22

a topic for the podcast and

30:24

you have people submit , and so at

30:26

what point did you start doing that and how did that

30:28

come about ? Because I thought that was really neat when I

30:30

saw that you were talking about that on your Instagram

30:33

page .

30:35

Yeah . So that actually came out of a conversation

30:37

that I had with Melanie from Pediatrics

30:39

Speech Sister , because

30:41

, as we know , our field is , like , predominantly

30:44

white , and

30:46

I was like I want

30:48

more people of color on the podcast

30:50

and we were trying to brainstorm like how

30:53

can we make that happen ? Originally

30:55

, when I was inviting people to come on the podcast , I was

30:57

going on Instagram seeing who kind of

30:59

had the spotlight on them at the moment

31:01

and had not been on the podcast before , and

31:04

a lot of them tended to be white , and

31:06

so I was like , hey , like I have a really

31:08

big email list , I've already had

31:10

so many people on the podcast . I need to find

31:12

another way to get people

31:14

on . So I actually tried this last

31:16

August and the response

31:18

was overwhelming . And I

31:21

love it , because these are people that don't

31:23

have Instagram pages , are not influencers

31:26

, but they have so much to share

31:28

, they have so much valuable information . So part

31:31

of that interview process is having

31:33

people identify

31:36

if they want to share what their cultural

31:38

background is and then how our

31:40

field can do better at cultural

31:43

sensitivity and cultural bias

31:46

. So there's a lot of good that

31:48

comes out of those submissions . It gets us

31:50

thinking about how we can do better

31:52

it gets and make sure that our

31:54

podcast episodes are represented

31:56

better . So we're still working on it . I

31:59

would say we're not perfect and

32:01

it is like still predominantly white

32:03

, but at least we're getting people who

32:05

represent the diverse

32:07

populations of our clients .

32:08

Really , how

32:15

is that getting to everybody if they're not on Instagram or if they're not

32:17

on social media or a big presence

32:19

in that world , how is that getting

32:21

to them ? Just my email

32:24

list .

32:24

So you had over a hundred

32:26

submissions this last

32:28

round that you opened it up to interview

32:30

everyone . When you are looking

32:33

through that , I know you said that

32:35

really some cultural diversity is extremely

32:37

important as you're looking through to see a reflective

32:40

speech pathologist that represents

32:43

your values . What are some of the

32:45

other things that you're looking for that

32:47

you think your listeners

32:49

particularly would really love to hear from

32:52

?

32:53

So this is not well

32:55

known but I'll share it here . Like we're

32:57

going to try to get all of those people on the podcast

33:00

, every single one . I mentioned

33:02

to these women at the beginning that

33:04

not only are we going to have the Speechy Side Up podcast

33:06

this year , but we have the Speechy Side Hustle podcast

33:09

coming out this month and we have an

33:11

AAC and literacy one coming out

33:13

and possibly one or two

33:15

more . So if the interview

33:17

isn't going to be solely with me , I'm

33:20

going to try to see if we can get them with somebody

33:22

that's on the network , because I know a lot of

33:24

people put a lot of time into these submissions

33:27

. Some people have submitted twice , like last

33:29

year was the first time that I tried this and I

33:31

had to turn a lot of people away . We had 80

33:33

submissions last year and I think I only took 30

33:36

. So this

33:38

year I want to try to get everybody on

33:40

. But some of the things that I consider are

33:42

the topic . So because we

33:44

do our conferences , I try to align the topics

33:46

with the conferences that we're doing . Speaking

33:49

experience is important to me

33:52

because I think sometimes

33:54

when I'm interviewing somebody who's very new

33:56

to the process , like I had mentioned earlier . I'm

33:58

not at the stage right now where we're trying to edit

34:00

the episodes as much . So if someone doesn't

34:02

have any speaking experience and we do

34:05

the interview and a lot has to be edited

34:07

or there's a lot of errors , that

34:09

cost more with the editor . But

34:12

even when I'm speaking

34:14

to people that are newer

34:17

to interviewing maybe

34:19

they've never done it before I feel like I've

34:21

developed this interview style that hopefully

34:24

makes them feel very comfortable and we can pause and stop . That's a lot easier than if somebody

34:26

gets tripped on their words and we have to go back and take that out . Someone just pauses and stops

34:28

and we can pause and stop . That's a lot easier than if somebody gets

34:30

tripped on their words and we have to go back and take that

34:32

out . Someone just pauses and stops

34:34

. Then that's much easier to edit , as you guys

34:36

know . So , yeah , I think

34:39

I've also changed a lot so that I

34:41

can hopefully make the guests feel comfortable

34:43

and excited about what they're talking

34:45

about , and that's another thing too

34:47

. Whenever somebody submits , I go

34:49

with what they want to talk about , what topic they

34:51

want to talk about , what questions they want me to ask

34:53

them . I always ask clarifying questions

34:55

, so it's not going to be exactly like what they submitted

34:58

, but they're going to feel very well prepared

35:00

for that interview .

35:02

This is a new thing for you . You didn't start

35:04

off that way but , like you said

35:06

, the way you started off was fast

35:09

and furious . You had Nancy Kaufman

35:11

, melanie Potok really big

35:13

people in the SLP

35:16

world For our listeners who

35:18

might be thinking of starting their own

35:20

podcast . How do you go about

35:22

and ask for someone like

35:24

that who , frankly , is probably

35:26

not the one answering their own emails ? So

35:28

how do you get through their VA

35:31

to be able to create

35:33

a good ask that looks attractive

35:35

to them ?

35:36

Build a relationship first , honestly

35:40

, I would say , not a fake

35:42

relationship . Don't like their posts and comment

35:44

on them and then ask them to be

35:46

on your podcast two weeks later , follow

35:49

their stuff and show a real interest

35:51

in what they're doing . Most of the people

35:53

that I've invited on the podcast , we've had conversations

35:56

for a year or two years and

35:59

I've just really admired them . Or if I

36:01

didn't know them , but somebody referred them , I'll

36:03

share that too . I'll say , hey , so-and-so

36:06

referred you and I do really like

36:08

your stuff . I'd like to get to know you more . We'd

36:10

be interested in coming on the podcast . So

36:12

sometimes people will refer

36:15

other speakers and that's

36:17

how I'll get some of our guests as

36:19

well .

36:19

I'm very interested in the network

36:21

and how that came

36:23

about , but how are you

36:26

managing with ? You

36:28

talked earlier about batching the

36:30

recordings . Are you trying

36:33

to manage all of that across the

36:35

different podcasts or

36:37

how are you managing all of that with

36:40

the different ?

36:41

podcasts . So I want to give

36:43

people as much autonomy as possible

36:45

. We're really just there to support them

36:47

and I

36:49

think as Tassel grows , people

36:52

are going to want to hear from more than just myself

36:54

interviewing guests . So that's

36:56

why we decided to have other podcasts

36:59

added to the network , because we want

37:01

different voices , different

37:03

perspectives . So they

37:05

really have autonomy and if they decide to leave

37:07

the network at some point , it's still their podcast

37:10

. So that's the idea of it . We're

37:14

still in the very early stages . We've had another podcast on the network

37:16

maybe like a year and a half ago , but I was also

37:18

very thick into motherhood

37:20

and being a mom

37:22

to a newborn , so I didn't get to

37:24

promote that one as much as I would have liked , and

37:27

the speaker of that podcast

37:29

was also like going through some life changes

37:31

. But it was a good experience

37:34

and then learned from that . So now we can

37:36

hopefully make it even better this time

37:38

around .

37:39

Looking at your podcast as well

37:41

, you do have some big categories

37:43

, so that makes sense that the

37:46

need for a network would

37:48

be there to separate . Because that's

37:50

one of my frustrations about podcasts in

37:52

general is , once

37:55

an episode makes it

37:57

to that second page , it

38:00

really is hard to find . And those first

38:02

episodes for you I

38:04

was listening to the creative lab

38:06

, claudia Doan one of your first

38:09

episodes , one of the 20s . Yes

38:12

, you have to really get back

38:14

quite a ways , but there's

38:16

still such great quality at

38:18

the beginning of someone's podcast

38:21

. What do you think about podcast organization

38:23

and how that could maybe be done better ?

38:26

I think that's an Apple thing

38:28

. Honestly , it is pretty bad

38:30

and it is a shame because there's so

38:33

many good episodes Like

38:35

you mentioned , nancy Kaufman like people probably

38:37

don't even know who are just like coming on

38:39

now . What I've done in the past

38:41

and would recommend this to anybody is always highlighting

38:44

your top episodes of all time

38:46

. Maybe focus on specific topics

38:48

of a roundup . Actually , as

38:50

I'm talking about it , I should probably do that , so we're

38:52

going to start adding roundups to the newsletters

38:55

and then I brought things out of I'll

38:57

call it like the vault . So if

38:59

we bring back like an old episode maybe I didn't have time

39:02

to record one we would bring back one

39:04

from before . But

39:06

yeah , those are just some thoughts

39:08

like running through my head , but I think Apple needs to

39:11

do a better job honestly .

39:14

That leads me to my next question . We

39:17

have so many of these , but what

39:19

were the most challenging obstacles

39:21

for you and your business , job that's

39:23

?

39:23

one of the more recent , I would say , challenges

39:26

, so it's like fresh on my mind . I left

39:29

Wow

39:41

, actually , it isn't even that recent Now that I think about it

39:43

. It was back in November of 2022

39:46

. So last year was my full first

39:48

full year of being an entrepreneur

39:50

, having my private practice and having tassel

39:53

running and doing the conferences throughout

39:55

the year . So the coach

39:57

really helped me with that and it wasn't like an overnight

39:59

thing . It was something that took nine months

40:01

. We started talking back in May

40:04

2022 and had this exit

40:06

strategy for November

40:08

of 2022 when I finally left

40:11

. And then I would say the second

40:13

obstacle is making a profit

40:15

and keeping the cost down , especially

40:18

with podcasting in such a niche area

40:20

. Like there are people who podcast

40:22

and make a lot of money from it , but

40:24

they're speaking to the general

40:26

population , whether it be

40:28

parents or women

40:31

or men or anybody but

40:33

speech language pathology . So I had dabbled

40:36

in podcast sponsorship

40:38

in the beginning but also

40:41

found that it doesn't convert well if it's

40:43

not something that you're using

40:46

or you're passionate about , and also

40:48

the podcast sponsors are pulling

40:50

stats from , like Jenna Kutcher's

40:52

podcast , like these big podcasts , and

40:54

it's not the same . So what

40:57

I've moved into is affiliate

40:59

marketing of things that I love , so

41:01

I'm an affiliate for

41:03

meaningful speech . I've taken the

41:05

course and become an NLA trained

41:07

clinician , so I love sharing

41:09

about it . I also use simple practice

41:11

for my practice , so I share about simple practice

41:14

as well . But

41:16

for anybody that's just

41:18

starting out with a business , if I

41:21

could go back I would say read the profit first

41:23

book . I only read that book

41:25

like a year ago and it changed everything

41:27

for me , spending so much of my business

41:30

because I had a full-time

41:32

job that was funding it . So

41:34

it was like fake money , right . Like it

41:36

was nice because I had all of this influx

41:39

of cash to invest

41:41

in the business , like I wanted to hire people

41:43

like I wanted . But when I took the leap of going

41:45

full-time into my business without

41:48

having that influx of cash , I

41:50

had to be much more cautious about what

41:52

I did with our profits . And

41:54

I actually went on a little tangent about this

41:56

recently on Instagram , because

41:59

I feel like a lot of accounts

42:01

, like business related accounts , will talk

42:04

about oh , I made six figures or

42:06

I made a million last year and it's

42:08

okay . How much did you actually net ? And

42:11

we come to find out it's like closer to 15%

42:14

. Well , 300,000 on a million seems

42:16

very different than I made a million

42:18

last year . There's a lot of misinformation

42:21

out there , but the profit first book was

42:23

super helpful just to give you a basic overview

42:25

like how our grandmother or your grandmother

42:28

might have saved money . They would put the money in envelopes

42:30

and everything was already allocated

42:33

to certain things , and so

42:35

he's a big proponent on . When

42:37

you get money in , you

42:40

already allocate some of that to your profit , to

42:42

your taxes and to your expenses

42:44

, and then you also pay yourself too , and

42:47

then if you're spending over 30%

42:49

of your profits on

42:51

your expenses , then you need to figure out how to get those

42:53

expenses down . And as a business owner

42:55

, especially an online business

42:58

owner , getting into like subscriptions is

43:00

like dangerous territory , because one

43:02

subscription here and there and there adds

43:04

up and before you know it , you're you have $500

43:06

to a thousand dollars in subscriptions every

43:09

month that make your business easier

43:11

, make your life easier , but you really don't have

43:13

the budget for that , especially like in the beginning stages

43:15

of owning a business . Having

43:18

a service-based

43:20

business , like private practice , I

43:22

feel is very different than

43:24

having a product-based business

43:27

or like a startup

43:29

type of company . So Tassel is like a startup

43:31

with a product it's ed tech really

43:34

Whereas if I were to acquire a client

43:36

for therapy , I know I'm going to get paid directly

43:38

for seeing that client , whereas

43:40

an online business , like you , have to

43:42

find your audience , market to your

43:44

audience , nurture your audience . They're

43:47

not going to buy right away . They have to get to know

43:49

you , like you , trust you and then they'll

43:51

buy from you . So they're just very different

43:53

business models models

44:03

.

44:03

That's true , and I think in healthcare it's . We've just been trained to understand that . You clearly

44:05

provide therapy and then they pay you directly . But

44:07

when it is this indirect

44:09

thing , or even a podcast

44:11

where the service , what exactly are you getting

44:14

for that ? And how does

44:16

a podcast become profitable ? Or

44:18

a book series for all

44:21

of the hours that you put in ? It

44:23

is quite a different road

44:25

. And you're right , man . Those subscriptions add

44:27

up . They really do . They're wonderful , but

44:29

you can't do them all .

44:31

We had a couple of fine questions . I was going to ask

44:33

what your favorite

44:35

subscription is that you just

44:38

cannot live without . It has

44:40

made your life easier . Your

44:42

go-to Okay ? Pick three .

44:44

Yes you can , okay , okay

44:47

, asana , zapier

44:51

and Calendly those three would be my

44:53

favorite , for sure .

44:54

Okay . Can't live

44:56

without them . Do you feel

44:58

like it was a big jump or did it just naturally

45:00

happen for you going into business

45:02

?

45:02

It definitely wasn't easy and there were

45:04

learning curves like every step of the way , like

45:06

I had to learn to become a podcaster

45:09

, I had to learn to edit , I had to learn to do social media

45:11

, how to do newsletter marketing

45:13

, all of the things Pinterest

45:16

but I think that helps me

45:18

be a better business owner because I understand

45:20

everything that's going on in the business . So when I

45:22

hire somebody in , I know what they're talking

45:25

about and if they happen to leave

45:27

or it doesn't work out , then I can pick that up until we

45:29

find the next person . But

45:31

I think that the entrepreneurial spirit

45:33

has always been there , so that

45:36

was never a question . I love

45:38

that freedom as being

45:40

a business owner , that I can try new things

45:42

without having to get permission from anybody

45:44

, and my dad's an entrepreneur

45:47

, my husband's an entrepreneur , his parents were entrepreneurs

45:49

, so I feel like I had a lot of good models

45:52

for that .

45:53

Now that you've transitioned

45:56

into motherhood , plus you're running

45:58

a business , is there anything specific

46:00

that you go to for self-care ?

46:02

Lately it's been tennis . I've been

46:04

loving tennis . I actually just did a tennis lesson

46:07

today . This is only like three weeks , you guys

46:09

, so let's see when this

46:11

episode airs if I'm still doing it . But I got

46:13

a racket and shoes . I

46:15

think I'm really enjoying it . I've

46:21

always wanted to do tennis and be more serious about it rather than just going out and playing

46:23

with friends , and I liked the long-term challenge

46:25

of tennis . I had tried pickleball with my husband and it

46:27

was fun , but it's something you can pick up very

46:30

easily , whereas with tennis

46:32

there's all these levels and

46:34

you have to build your skill up

46:36

. So I feel like it's a good challenge now

46:39

. Do either of you play tennis Married

46:42

? I do , you do , I do yeah

46:44

.

46:44

You guys have all the clay courts . I'm jealous

46:47

. It's a great lifetime sport .

46:50

Yeah , that was something that they had mentioned because

46:52

I was trying to figure out like what I would have my daughter

46:55

pick up . She does everything . Right now she's

46:57

trying it all in ballet . I want to keep her

46:59

very busy and I think tennis might

47:01

be a good option , because with a lot of sports

47:03

they don't do it in college

47:05

or professionally . What's the point

47:08

? But at least with tennis she'll

47:13

be able to play it forever . So I like that you brought that up .

47:14

We'll have to play together if you

47:17

ever come down here by then maybe I'll be

47:19

better . I know we should . Oh , that would be so fun and it's

47:21

so much easier than lugging golf clubs around or something to

47:23

play on vacation . So it's , it

47:25

is a very easy sport to just pick up

47:27

and enjoy .

47:29

Yeah , and the outfits are cute

47:31

, like I was made to play tennis .

47:32

I'm here for it .

47:33

Yes .

47:36

What about dinner ? Do you have an

47:38

easy , when it's

47:40

been a long day , a go-to , quick dinner

47:42

?

47:43

I'm not the person to ask about cooking , but

47:46

I will say that I've been trying to cook more lately

47:48

, and so something easy is just like

47:50

rice beans , chicken guacamole .

47:53

I love it . And if you were not a speech

47:55

therapist , do you have a dream job

47:58

?

47:58

Yeah , probably an orthostatic . I

48:00

still think about that all the time . I was the first

48:02

person in my family to go

48:04

to college and graduate and have an undergraduate

48:06

degree , so it

48:09

was a lot about what's the financial expense

48:11

of going to college , staying close to home

48:13

. So I always think about

48:15

what life would have been like

48:18

if I had gone that route instead

48:20

. But it's funny because I do things with the

48:22

mouth anyways and I probably don't want

48:24

my fingers bitten , so probably

48:26

better that I became a speech language pathologist .

48:28

I see that for you . So much , though , because

48:30

I have a sister who's a dentist

48:33

and my best friend's a dentist . Anyways

48:35

, I did not realize how

48:37

creative and artistic dentists

48:39

are . You've got healthcare and we work

48:41

in the mouth , but then it's also this aesthetically

48:44

pleasing kind of molding

48:46

and creating . I see those go hand in

48:48

hand .

48:49

And most of them are entrepreneurs . Most of them are

48:52

business owners , right , so it probably would have

48:54

been a very good fit , and who knows

48:56

, maybe my daughter goes to school more full-time , maybe I'll

48:58

go back to school , we'll see . There

49:00

you go .

49:01

Long road , yeah , okay

49:03

. So last fun question is

49:06

being a podcaster yourself . You

49:08

probably have some podcasts that you

49:10

enjoy listening to in your

49:12

downtime . What is your favorite podcast

49:15

?

49:17

So I'll admit that

49:19

a lot of podcasters say this

49:21

like once you start doing podcasting , it

49:24

becomes your life , so it becomes very difficult

49:26

to listen to other podcasts

49:28

and I feel bad because I want to listen to so

49:30

many other podcasts and support

49:33

other podcasters . But if

49:35

I do listen to podcasts nowadays , which

49:38

is minimal I also don't drive as much as I used to

49:40

when I was a PRC consultant . I was listening

49:42

to everything under the moon because I

49:44

was driving for four hours to that place and four

49:46

hours back . But nowadays

49:48

if I do listen to podcasts , it's Jenna Kutcher's

49:51

the Gold Digger podcast , rachel

49:53

Hollis's podcast , and

49:56

that's it . Honestly , if

49:58

there's an episode that's recommended

50:00

to me by somebody , I'll try to listen

50:02

to that as well . But audio books are

50:04

another area that I try to do

50:06

when I'm like driving around .

50:08

Thank you so much for being with us

50:11

today . We really appreciate you

50:13

coming on . We know your time is valuable and

50:15

thank you so much for sharing a

50:17

little bit about how you built your

50:19

business .

50:21

Thank you so much for having me on . You both were

50:23

awesome interviewers . I

50:25

can't wait to see where

50:28

this podcast goes . I know it's going to help a lot

50:30

of SLPs who maybe are feeling stuck

50:32

in what they're doing right now

50:34

, and it'll just give them some inspiration

50:37

and motivation . Thank you for the opportunity

50:39

.

50:40

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50:45

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50:47

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