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wasn't that it? That sounds like

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one of the marketing things that was a lot and

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it was flipping it now. Now it's just together

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alone. Mm hmm. We're

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in our pods. Just just

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like what was your your amazing line

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for the Bentley GT video that went up

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this morning. It helps to have

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everything if you want it all. Having

4:36

everything is a big part of having it all.

4:38

Yeah, that's fucking great. That's

4:41

like that is such a Christopher

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Guest line. Like that move that line

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should be in like Best in Show

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or something. Yeah, that was a

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proud moment in that video. Go

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go watch our Bentley GT video.

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It's it's up right now. I guess we

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never actually

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really talked about it on the podcast, did we? Because

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we usually like to wait until the video goes up.

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Correct. And we shot it a month ago

5:06

or so. I think it was more.

5:08

I think it was I was looking back in my photos

5:10

for the Instagram post. And I

5:12

think it was in May we shot it was

5:15

a long time ago. Yeah, I actually

5:17

I had a call with Bentley and I had to be

5:19

like, I'm sorry. I swear

5:21

we like we made a video, like I promise.

5:24

And the dude was like was cool about it. But

5:26

it wasn't it wasn't a brand new car

5:29

when we got it. Right. So no,

5:31

no, no, of course. Yeah, we had

5:33

like that engine is going out of

5:35

production this year. And you definitely

5:38

want to air the video while it's still making

5:40

car. That's a good point. Yeah, we

5:42

have to put it at the end of the end. Like

5:44

there used to be available.

5:46

The dude, I mean,

5:48

for the most part, we air videos in

5:50

the order we make them, like for the most

5:53

part, give or take. But like, you

5:56

know, what happens in especially in

5:58

the summer,

5:59

especially mid to late summer is

6:02

you get all these new cars for the

6:04

next model year

6:06

coming out and so you know we filmed

6:08

the Bentley and

6:11

then after that there was like five

6:13

or six cars that were

6:15

under there were embargoes and

6:17

so you want to hit those embargo dates

6:20

and because the Bentley among a

6:22

couple of other cars were just like regular

6:24

production car press loans they

6:28

get bumped for

6:31

the you know the embargoes and

6:33

so the guy understood I mean he's in

6:35

the industry he understands and

6:38

he wasn't upset or anything not like we make

6:40

videos in order to please the PR people

6:42

but if someone gives you a loan of a

6:45

car and then they don't

6:45

see a video for a couple months you

6:47

definitely want to make sure they know that video

6:50

does exist and is coming

6:53

it's one thing if you criticize the car

6:55

it's another to you shouldn't get loans

6:57

and then not create content correct

7:00

but

7:01

hot damn what a car god I

7:03

fucking love that thing and I had stopped

7:05

thinking about it for a little while because we were thinking

7:08

about other videos and other cars

7:10

but just watching the

7:12

you know the cuts as you were

7:14

putting them together I was like oh yeah that

7:17

actually is the best car ever made yeah

7:20

oh that is the best way to get around

7:23

unless you need to go off-roading I mean that it

7:25

would you know that I it is rare

7:28

that I kind of gush about a car to friends because

7:30

I tend to be you know almost

7:32

feel like it's safer to be cynical and rather

7:34

than be too excited and and

7:36

then be wrong later but with that car I

7:39

like it was really hard to

7:41

find flaws it was really really tough

7:44

yeah I mean I I would say

7:46

there were there are

7:48

no flaws from a there

7:53

were no intentional flaws like

7:56

there was there was nothing about that car where

7:58

they made a decision And I

8:00

said, I believe that decision

8:02

to be wrong. Like there were there

8:04

were a couple of things that

8:07

we criticized in the

8:09

video, for instance, like the car play

8:11

froze once for me and if Phantom

8:13

break once because of an over-sensitive

8:16

ADAS system. But like,

8:18

those are errors that

8:21

can happen. You know, they're

8:23

not, it's not like they

8:26

did this, they made this choice and

8:28

that choice made the car worse.

8:30

You

8:31

know, there was none of those. Right.

8:35

I think we've had ADAS problems

8:37

in other cars, a varying price.

8:39

And yeah,

8:41

it's, you know, it's an annoying thing.

8:44

And we always mention it. But it doesn't take

8:46

away from like the dynamics of the car and what

8:48

the cars intention is and does the car do the job

8:50

it was intended to do as well as

8:52

it possibly can.

8:54

Right. And the thing about the Bentley

8:56

GT is it's not, I

8:58

mean, yes, there's the V8 version, which is

9:00

a little cheaper and less powerful and the

9:02

W12 version, which this speed

9:05

was.

9:06

But other than the engine, that's

9:08

the it's the same car, right? It's not like it's

9:10

a, it's not like it's like like it

9:13

there's RSQ8 Audi, you know, you've got

9:16

your A8 or your your

9:18

Q8, excuse me, and then your SQ8 and

9:21

then your your RSQ8. So

9:23

the top one builds on the lower one,

9:26

right? With more performance and better materials

9:28

and more features, right? But with the Bentley,

9:31

there's no like base model.

9:33

Like, you know, like you can even,

9:35

even like the Bentley Altima.

9:38

Right. Like it's not an upgraded

9:40

and granted it's on Panamera architecture.

9:44

So you're already starting at a pretty high price point

9:46

and almost nothing about it feels

9:49

like Panamera other than if you had driven

9:51

the first gen car, which was Volkswagen architecture,

9:54

you could kind of feel that front

9:56

heaviness. And now that's gone.

10:00

But it's everything about

10:02

the car can be enjoyed

10:05

at low speed, high

10:08

speed, stopped. Like someone

10:10

in the Instagram comments this morning said,

10:13

well, shouldn't I just get a 911 Turbo S and

10:15

save $100,000?

10:18

I mean, maybe if what you want is like a nine

10:20

second dragster, you know, that handles

10:24

and is also made very well and has

10:26

great materials and stands on its

10:29

own four wheels. Totally.

10:32

But a 911 Turbo S versus

10:35

a Carrera S

10:37

is the same car, 95% of

10:39

the time. When

10:41

you're sitting in a light area will feel

10:44

basically the same. Like you can change the leather colors

10:46

a little bit. Yeah, you could get some, you

10:48

know, exclusive manufacturer things here and there,

10:51

but you could do that in the career as well. But yeah,

10:53

if you just look around,

10:55

it's going to feel like the person sitting next to you with the light

10:57

that's in the career. Yeah. If

11:00

you're using the difference in power,

11:02

if you drag race a Carrera, you

11:05

can see where your extra money's gone. If

11:07

you, but in a Bentley, if you're

11:10

stopped, if you're in traffic, if

11:12

you're cruising on the highway,

11:14

you can appreciate that car

11:16

every, even if you're not in it, if you're just

11:18

standing in the driveway looking at it with a fucking

11:21

beer in your hand, you can appreciate

11:23

where your money has gone in that car.

11:26

And we're talking about rarefied air. We're talking

11:29

about $350,000 cars. So I get it better be fucking awesome.

11:31

But the fact

11:34

is I've driven other cars that are that

11:36

expensive that disappoint in one way or another.

11:39

Well, I think this, this is a good example

11:42

of something that's been brought up a lot in the last couple of weeks

11:44

is the separate, how interiors separate

11:46

the experience of a car. People have asked us with

11:49

screens going into so many cars, is

11:51

that not going to take away from their individuality.

11:54

And

11:55

the Bentley feels

11:57

like nothing else. When you touch the buttons, when

11:59

you sit in it, it, when you look around, I mean, there's

12:01

so many shiny things, but then there's

12:03

nice leather and there's nice metal. And

12:06

you know, Porsche, even if you get the

12:09

highest quality fabric they offer,

12:11

there is a limit to the parts that they will

12:13

supply and how much they'll weigh and what

12:15

they'll be made out of. And the Bentley just goes,

12:17

we don't care what it weighs. These things

12:19

will be metal. These things will turn

12:22

all the leather in the world and you can feel

12:24

and see the difference.

12:26

Yeah, like Porsche charges extra

12:28

money to

12:30

make things thinner. The

12:33

glass, the carpets, the

12:35

door cards, the body panels. You

12:38

can pay extra to get those things thinner.

12:42

With a Bentley, you can pay extra to get them

12:44

thicker. Yeah, the double

12:46

carpet, the double format. Double carpet,

12:48

double glazed windows.

12:50

Extra thick, sumptuous

12:53

leather. Extra stitching.

12:58

Extra piping on

13:00

the leather. Extra quilting on

13:02

the roof.

13:03

It's opposite

13:05

of a ... And I'm not shitting on Porsche. There's

13:08

a reason that Porsche charges for less and

13:10

Bentley charges for more. It's design philosophy.

13:12

But I'm just saying that

13:14

with Bentley's methodology as

13:17

an everyday car, or

13:19

even as a weekend's tourer, you

13:22

can appreciate what that car

13:24

has and does

13:26

every second you're in it or

13:28

around it. You don't need to be going

13:31

fast to appreciate

13:33

it.

13:34

Yeah, and I think- And that's what makes it so great. The

13:36

question of, well, shouldn't I just get this cheaper thing?

13:39

That's a question that gets asked across the scale

13:41

from $20,000 cars all the way up to $2 million

13:44

cars. Because it's like, well, if it's just

13:46

fast transportation and all

13:48

wheel drive and turbos, then isn't this the same thing? It's

13:50

like, well, then is a GTR the same

13:53

thing as a 911 Turbo? The GTR's

13:55

price has climbed, I think, somewhat unfairly,

13:57

where they're more neighbors.

13:59

the GTR was the cheaper option and

14:02

it looked cheaper inside and it

14:04

felt cheaper in several different ways.

14:07

But ultimately, all-wheel-drive twin-turbo

14:09

six-cylinder car, they feel different.

14:12

The experience is definitely different.

14:14

It's

14:17

just so fucking good, man.

14:19

It's just so good. I don't know what

14:22

it's like to have enough money to blow 350 grand on a car

14:24

like that. I have some

14:26

expensive

14:33

cars that are collectively worth more than

14:35

that, but that's not the same as buying a brand

14:38

new car

14:39

for that type of money. But the people

14:42

that I know who do have that money, looking

14:44

at you, Serio and fucking Brotman.

14:49

Serio particularly, because he's got

14:51

money and he's a hardcore enthusiast

14:54

and he is a car dealer.

14:57

So he drives the volume

14:59

of cars that you and I drive. He

15:01

also gets to drive. And he

15:04

was the first person to comment on the Instagram post

15:06

and he was like,

15:07

you're right. That is the best car

15:09

in the world. And once you've had one,

15:11

you can't imagine anything

15:13

being better.

15:17

And, you know, it'd be a fun

15:19

test that probably won't happen. But if someone out there

15:21

in the magazine world can make it happen, S63

15:24

AMG e-performance

15:27

versus Bentley GT

15:30

speed, because they weigh the same

15:33

power difference is significant.

15:35

But I'm very curious to it'd be

15:37

so funny if the Bentley was like

15:40

either even or only a few seconds

15:42

behind on the track when the Mercedes

15:44

has this, you know,

15:45

uncomfortable ride and all this extra

15:48

torque.

15:49

Well, we could try it were I with

15:51

that conversation I had with Bentley yesterday,

15:54

we're going to get a flying spur speed in

15:56

September.

15:58

So that's the four door. So that's That would

16:00

actually be the appropriate comparison.

16:03

Maybe we could see if Mercedes wants

16:05

to play. Let's do that. Let's try to do that.

16:07

If they want to get us the S63, I

16:09

think that could be a

16:10

very interesting comparison.

16:15

Also, they're sending

16:18

us a GTC. So

16:21

I got to give Zach a little crap because he mistakenly

16:24

called the Bentley Continental

16:26

GT in the video twice, the

16:29

GTC. Instead of the CGT,

16:32

the GTC got a little dyslexic up in

16:34

that bitch. But it's okay. It's

16:37

a casual acronym error.

16:39

But the GTC

16:42

is actually just the convertible. So

16:45

there's no point to making the whole other video

16:48

with the convertible. It's the same car, top

16:50

goes down. And the audience, I think, wants

16:53

the most sporting version, which

16:55

is still the coupe. But I

16:57

wanted to drive the convertible.

17:00

You like converted it. I asked for one and they

17:02

said they would send us one. So we'll

17:04

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17:07

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19:25

I wonder if you feel the torsional rigidity, the difference?

19:28

You know I did with the old car.

19:30

I don't know about the, I haven't driven

19:33

the convertible of this generation

19:35

but with the old car, the 03 to 15 or

19:37

whatever, first gen Continental

19:41

GT, you absolutely could

19:43

feel when you did the triangle

19:46

test, that's where you put your elbow

19:48

on the door sill and your hand at the top

19:50

of the corner of the windshield when you go over

19:52

some bumps. If you can feel some jiggliness there

19:55

and

19:57

there were some very expensive cars

19:59

that I have driven that have done shockingly poorly

20:02

at that test. First-gen BMW 6

20:05

Series, even the M6, convertible,

20:08

horrible,

20:09

horrible rigidity in that department.

20:13

The first-gen Bentley GT, not

20:15

horrible, better than the BMW, but

20:18

only just. I

20:20

think chassis engineering has come a long way in 20

20:23

years because the differences used to be

20:25

very obvious. And now, you

20:28

might be able to tell a little bit, but they've done such a

20:30

good job with designing the

20:32

car as a convertible from the beginning, and there's enough bracing

20:34

and all these other things, or strengthening hard points

20:36

that the difference is

20:38

fairly negligible. And if you enjoy driving

20:41

with the top down, for

20:43

one, you don't really care about the torsional rigidity anyway,

20:45

but also, you're not actually sacrificing that

20:47

much these days.

20:48

You don't care about the torsional

20:51

rigidity, but I'll tell you what, if you spent

20:53

that much money, and you

20:55

felt the jiggle over the bumps, if

20:59

you were in tune with your car,

21:01

you'd be annoyed.

21:03

Oh, you mean like in 2003,

21:05

if you had a Bentley drop top? Yeah,

21:08

if you bought a brand new Bentley drop top in

21:10

that year, in 2004 or whatever,

21:13

if it was me, and I had that kind of money, and

21:15

I was a car person, I would

21:17

notice. You would? I

21:20

bet if there were Bentley owners that also do track

21:22

days or have sporty cars, then they

21:24

probably noticed. But if someone just wants

21:27

the nicest, most expensive thing to cruise

21:29

in, then they're just like, those

21:31

people are like, oh, wow, the

21:33

screen flips around. That's great. They noticed that

21:35

thing first. Sure. That is the coolest.

21:38

And the car as a four

21:40

seat

21:41

GT convertible at

21:44

the high end, because it's got a really thick

21:46

five layer top. So when you put the

21:48

top up,

21:49

it's still very quiet and

21:52

refined. And so if

21:54

you're going to buy a convertible,

21:56

the more expensive the car, the nicer

21:59

it'll be with the top up, you know, a Miata

22:02

with the top up is loud

22:05

and not great. Yes,

22:07

a Bentley or a 911 with the top up

22:09

is is going to be much, much better.

22:13

So, you

22:15

know, anyway, I

22:17

look forward to trying the the new GTC

22:20

speed and the flying spur speed, I think

22:22

they're both going to be pretty, pretty

22:25

rad. So, yeah, back

22:27

to our

22:30

buddy who I just shouted out because

22:32

he owns a Bentley GT, he actually has the convertible.

22:36

And that's

22:39

our buddy Pete Brotman, who

22:42

is selling an unbelievable

22:45

collection of race cars

22:48

on bring a trailer through Rob

22:51

Deets, Wob cars.

22:53

And we

22:55

went to go check them out when they were filming them at

22:58

Willow Springs getting the B roll. And

23:00

he's got LeMall winners, Sebring

23:02

winners, you know, IMSA

23:05

winners. There's

23:06

a 935. There's a 934. There's

23:10

RSRs. There's this

23:12

SC. Zach's got up

23:15

on the screen right now that is just nasty

23:17

looking, sort of like a tarmac prepped

23:20

rally car. It has 10 headlights. 10.

23:22

Wow. Looks awesome.

23:26

Yeah. Fucking

23:30

dope. This 935 the Coke car. And then there's

23:35

and there's videos on each of these.

23:37

You

23:39

know, these are high dollar cars, motorsport

23:41

history. They all have a very interesting

23:44

history. And they were out

23:46

at at

23:47

Willow Springs capturing

23:50

video content with the cars

23:53

and and with our buddy Pat

23:55

Long and and our buddy

23:58

Jeff Zwart.

23:59

And so So we were out

24:02

there checking it out and it was very

24:05

exciting to hear them run and it's

24:08

really really cool. We're proud of them and

24:10

if you go to bring a trailer premium you

24:12

can see the videos of Pat

24:14

Long lapping Willow Springs

24:16

in these cars. And this guy is such a fucking

24:19

boss. You know Pat can

24:21

just hop in a

24:22

dozen different vintage race

24:24

cars and take one

24:27

warm up lap and then just send

24:29

it and that's amazing. So

24:32

if anyone wants to buy some Porsche this 934 you've

24:34

got 76 934 that you've got up on the

24:39

screen is incredibly cool

24:41

and it sounds awesome. We saw Pat

24:44

driving this one. And the livery is one

24:46

of the coolest. It's like

24:48

a chalk drawing of a driver's body.

24:50

Like you're looking at an x-ray through the door and

24:53

then of course the helmet is above the door

24:55

sill. So what

24:55

a fun idea. Ooh

24:58

current bid $500,000. Yeah

25:01

I mean most of these cars should be like

25:03

over $500,000. Some

25:05

of them should be well over. This one the

25:08

class winning 934 should

25:10

be probably in the twos I'm

25:12

guessing. Because

25:15

that is a very 934 is an incredibly

25:17

rare car to begin with but a class a Le Mans

25:20

class winner is a whole other. Whole other

25:22

jam.

25:25

So yeah shout out to him go check

25:27

those out on Bring A Trailer. The photos and

25:29

the videos are amazing

25:32

even if you don't got the scratch to take one home.

25:36

Other things I wanted to talk about

25:40

real quick. We teased

25:42

last show that I was driving a Fisker

25:45

Ocean without

25:49

saying too much. I

25:51

will say this. I gave

25:53

it back. It

25:56

was a early month. marketing

26:00

car That

26:03

in my opinion was not ready

26:06

for scrutiny

26:10

from someone like myself and The

26:15

Fisker people and I agreed

26:18

that we would be better off when

26:20

they had a Customer

26:23

level production car to

26:25

send us and they would send us

26:27

another one. I had a few problems

26:29

with the car and

26:31

if We

26:34

agreed that it was not

26:36

really in anyone's benefit to

26:39

make a video with it at this time So

26:41

we'll circle back with the Fisker ocean When

26:44

they have a car Do you know if

26:46

your car was the same spec or one of the cars that

26:48

were on their launch? Cuz I think their launch was like a

26:51

week ago in Austria. Yeah, I don't know.

26:53

Okay in Austria No, yeah,

26:55

not it was not an Austin. No, these are

26:58

these are US marketing cars

27:00

I and I don't know I

27:03

don't know when it was Built

27:06

and I don't know. Well, they're

27:08

they're built in Austria. They're built

27:10

at Magnus Dyer So that might be

27:12

why the launch was in Austria but

27:16

yeah, the car the car had some

27:18

some glitchiness but but

27:20

I

27:22

Wanted to give them as a brand new company

27:25

I think they were trying to get us a

27:27

car at the same time as the reviews

27:30

were coming out from that launch But the fact

27:32

is the cars were not the cars that

27:34

were in America were not ready

27:36

for Review

27:39

and so benefit of the doubt on

27:41

that one and we'll come back to the Fisker ocean

27:46

Quick announcement I'm partnering with

27:48

Brekkie Car Club Which

27:50

you may have seen on Instagram. They're

27:52

a organization owned by some young guys Really

27:55

nice guys who put

27:57

on events in Southern, California not

28:01

hoity-toity, all income brackets,

28:04

hondas to Ferraris, multicultural,

28:08

young,

28:09

enthusiastic, cross-cultural

28:12

stuff. And we are having

28:15

an event at Westside Collector Car

28:18

Storage South Bay

28:19

on Saturday, September 30th. You

28:23

can register cars to enter

28:26

through Brecky Car Club's

28:28

Instagram. They will be

28:30

handling all the registration, and

28:33

I am just providing the facility, but

28:35

you will be able to come and see our new

28:38

shop in Los Angeles,

28:40

in the South Bay at WCCS

28:42

Cardina. They're going to have food. They're going

28:44

to have some cool sponsors and vendors.

28:47

And yeah,

28:48

if you want to come do that. Okay. What

28:52

else do we have? We got some news. Porsche

28:54

dropped the new 911ST. Nissan

28:58

dropped the new Nismo Z. Then

29:00

there's also the new Land Cruiser. Where

29:03

do you want to start, Zach? Let's start

29:05

with the Z. Nismo

29:08

Z. I am

29:11

going on the launch for this actually

29:13

at Sonoma in

29:15

September. So I will actually get to drive

29:18

this thing. It's got a little more

29:20

power. It's like about 20 more horsepower.

29:23

It's got suspension upgrades, brake

29:25

upgrades. That's good. The brakes got real

29:27

soft on the standard Z when I was tracking

29:30

it.

29:32

Unfortunately, I do

29:34

not understand why they are

29:36

going automatic only. Do

29:38

you understand why, Zach?

29:40

I don't get it. And I saw

29:42

their PR response to

29:45

the internet's ire and anger. And

29:47

that's being reported on Road and Track

29:49

and other places. And basically they

29:51

were like, well,

29:52

the crowd that buys the Nismo version

29:55

is focused on lap times and paddle shifting

29:57

is faster on the track. So we're going to start with

29:59

the Nismo

29:59

Z. to sell that one first and then

30:02

maybe if there's a giant call for a manual,

30:04

you know, we could always change it because we have a manual

30:07

transmission, you know, on

30:09

the shelf because it already works. But

30:12

you know, I don't know, like, I don't know if the take rate

30:14

on these modes is so small that it's not

30:18

worth it to them to offer both or

30:21

is the take rate on manual

30:24

transmissions

30:25

on the regular Z so small that they're

30:27

like, fuck it, like, what's the point of even offering this

30:29

if only 10 people buy the car and they

30:31

can't say that.

30:33

It's tough. See, that's

30:35

weird because I think it's convenient

30:38

for Nissan to say that the people who

30:40

are buying this car are focused on

30:42

lap times.

30:43

Whereas I believe and

30:46

totally without evidence, mind you, but I believe

30:48

that the people who are going to buy a Nismo Z are

30:51

focused on dynamics,

30:53

sporty dynamics. And

30:55

lap times would be a

30:57

extension of sporty

30:59

dynamics, but not

31:03

if you want to if you're focused on lap times,

31:07

you're not going to buy a brand new sports car

31:09

for sixty thousand dollars. I mean,

31:11

some people do, not many, but some people do. But

31:14

if you're really focused on lap times

31:16

instead of overall

31:18

dynamics and having a new car,

31:22

I just feel like you're going to buy a fucking Z06

31:25

and be done with C6, C06 and Hoosiers

31:29

and you're walking this thing. No, but we've

31:31

been to track days and we've seen that year,

31:33

new M4, new M3, like there are

31:37

people that lease a high performance

31:39

car and track it. I mean, there's all these GR86

31:41

stories. I don't think it's as

31:44

uncommon as we think. I remember

31:46

we went to Buttonwillow once and

31:48

as we arrived, we saw

31:51

a like baby blue

31:53

F82M3

31:55

coming off

31:57

on a record because someone had flipped it. They rolled it on

31:59

the record.

31:59

the front straight. Oh yeah, I remember that.

32:02

And it was like, that was a brand new car back then. And then dynamically,

32:04

I

32:05

agree that a lot of

32:07

people drawn to the needs of them are drawn to the dynamics, but to

32:09

me, that's about steering feel,

32:11

suspension setup, suspension tuning, alignment,

32:14

stuff like that. The engagement

32:16

and joy of shifting isn't a component

32:19

of dynamic driving, but it is not all

32:21

of it.

32:22

Well,

32:29

my guess is within a few months, you'll

32:31

be able to buy almost all the parts

32:34

that come on the Nismo

32:37

from the dealer and put them on

32:39

your manual car yourself. The

32:43

exhaust, the brakes, the suspension,

32:46

the wheels, all

32:48

of that stuff, I think you'll be able to buy

32:50

as Nismo performance

32:52

parts at the dealer. So

32:55

you could probably build your own manual car

32:58

for only a little more money than it would cost

33:00

you to buy one

33:02

with an automatic from the factory. True.

33:05

I think another problem is that the

33:08

Nismo gets 20 more horsepower and 34

33:11

more pound feet of torque over

33:13

the base, but it's 150 pounds heavier. So

33:17

if you bought a manual transmission Nismo

33:20

and then went to a track day,

33:22

it's very possible that someone with a normal

33:25

Z

33:28

with good tires on it might be

33:30

faster than you because 150 pounds, I

33:32

mean, that's more

33:34

weight added than the new ST has

33:36

removed. And we'll get to that car in a moment. That's

33:39

pretty significant. So they might have realized this. Where

33:42

does 150 pounds come from? That's a lot.

33:45

That's a lot of weight put into a car. It is a lot.

33:47

Someone said the transmission is significantly heavier.

33:51

About 150 pounds?

33:55

I'll try to find it while you wax poetic.

33:58

I mean, that's a lot. I just... Yeah,

34:02

I it's surprising that

34:04

that's that's a lot. I bet I wouldn't be surprised

34:06

if they didn't break it down and Look

34:10

at my drive awesome. I mean

34:12

it it the man the

34:14

gearbox Automatic has

34:16

supposedly been reprogrammed to shift up

34:19

to 50% faster. That

34:21

would be nice. Hopefully They're

34:24

not just talking about upshifts. Hopefully they're also talking

34:26

about downshifts because right now upshift

34:29

for show Downshift for dough

34:31

is how she works there but

34:35

But and I'm and I'm gonna drive

34:37

it. I'm gonna drive it on the street. I'm gonna drive it on the track I'm

34:39

gonna make a video. I'm gonna have a written piece for

34:42

a road track So there will be lots of

34:44

Nismo Z coverage and I

34:46

committed to it

34:48

and Then one

34:50

day later Portia

34:52

sent out the invites to go to

34:54

Italy to drive the 911 st.

34:56

They did they sure did

35:02

And I was already booked it

35:04

so but if there's two things you

35:06

don't like it's Italy and a

35:09

new high-performance I

35:11

will take the L for you Two

35:18

things I hate I hate Italian

35:21

roads and

35:22

culture three things I hate and

35:24

I hate GT 3RS Is with manual

35:26

transmissions, right?

35:34

You

35:36

know what I have too many frequent flyer miles

35:39

anyway, you do I mean you went

35:41

to Europe like three times in a month So

35:43

I'm gonna back up some more Delta stuff. Yeah

35:46

But yeah, but yeah 9 11 st.

35:49

I knew about it

35:51

About a week before the press

35:53

release came out. We were discussing it in

35:55

Germany And

35:59

it's It's what it sounds like. It's

36:01

a GT3 RS touring,

36:05

or it's more like the 911R for the 992 generation. It's

36:11

got all this weight reduction

36:13

carbon panels. It's

36:15

got the side vents

36:18

from the GT3 RS, but

36:20

it's got the front nose from the regular

36:22

GT3. So you have a frunk, it's

36:25

got no wing, and

36:28

it's got this super lightweight flywheel,

36:31

which actually might make it kind of tricky

36:33

to drive, unless it's got some kind of anti-stall

36:36

technology, because when I drove the GT3 touring

36:38

with a stick, that was actually kind of tricky

36:40

to drive. And this has an even lighter flywheel

36:43

than that.

36:44

So this thing is gonna rev like a fucking leader

36:46

bike. Yeah, it's like a touring RS.

36:49

Yeah. But

36:52

we're having a good week. Which is pretty rad.

36:55

There's no reason to even have a press launch.

36:57

They're all sold out already.

37:00

It's what, 1600 and something? How

37:02

many? Because

37:05

that was my uncle. Yeah, so the first year of the 911. Yeah.

37:09

Yeah. So it'll be awesome. I don't like

37:11

the meatball on the side. I don't like

37:14

the optional heritage graphics. I think

37:16

the way to get... But that's awesome. The

37:18

idea of getting a touring variant

37:20

of a car, but with graphics all over

37:23

it is kind of dumb to me. But,

37:26

you know, all right, it's optional, whatever. This

37:28

one they have in the photo with the

37:30

black, with just the lettering, that's pretty cool.

37:32

That is very stuff.

37:34

You know, it's gonna be 300 grand, and then people

37:36

are gonna option them up to probably 400 grand. They're

37:39

gonna get the crazy leather. They're gonna get all the dope

37:42

colors. Someone please get one

37:44

in frozen berry metallic. Carbon fiber

37:46

rampage. I wanna look up the weight. That's

37:48

gonna be Europe only. They're not gonna homologate

37:50

that. Which is for the best. I

37:53

drove the GT3 RS with the carbon fiber roll cage,

37:55

and it looked awesome, but it completely

37:58

eliminated the usefulness of the...

37:59

behind the seats. Yeah. You couldn't

38:02

put anything back there. You know, you want to be

38:04

able to grow up more at a time. Yeah.

38:07

Yeah. You want to be able to throw some soft

38:09

luggage back there. It's a useful it's

38:12

a useful storage base if you're touring. Um

38:16

but you're going to have a good **** time. I'm

38:18

going to have a great time. I'll I'll I'll try to

38:20

paint it as a terrible picture for you so that you

38:22

don't get jealous but you know, it's

38:25

a maybe that could be should that be

38:27

the um the premise of the video

38:30

that

38:30

you that II

38:33

gave II. I kicked it over

38:35

to you in order to go drive an automatic

38:37

Nissan in San Francisco

38:39

and therefore you have to convince

38:42

me that it's not good. We can

38:44

totally write the skit where like you you put the

38:46

phone down and you're like

38:48

Nissan just invited me to go to Sonoma to drive

38:50

the new Nismo on the track and stuff and I'm like, oh

38:52

cool and you're like they only they can only bring one person.

38:54

I'm like, oh okay. You're like sorry man and then

38:56

like go back to writing 24 hours

38:59

and it's like hey uh we

39:01

have the ST thing and you're like I'm I'm

39:04

booked but Zach is that

39:06

do you want to want to do that? Do you

39:08

they only have room for one in Italy right?

39:12

And

39:14

the reason they chose it they told me why they

39:16

chose Italy Andre uh Andy Preutinger.

39:19

He was like why why Italy

39:21

and he was basically

39:23

said because there's no laws there. Oh

39:26

yeah. No. It's like he's like there's no laws.

39:28

He's like you could do you could do anything

39:30

you want on the roads. Nobody gives a ****

39:33

It's like it's great. Yeah. So this

39:36

car is almost 100 pounds lighter than the GT3

39:38

Touring

39:39

and some of that powertrain

39:41

and the clutch uh but

39:44

the body panels too. GT3 Touring has

39:46

metal body panels. Yes. Carbon. Carbon is carbon

39:48

that um yeah

39:51

and thinner glass and all that stuff but it's so weird

39:53

that this is like yeah this is

39:55

going you know this is getting lighter. It's going in the correct

39:57

direction and the Nismo somehow gains.

39:59

Yeah, that's not 50%

40:02

more of this. I don't know. Sorry, what were you

40:04

gonna say? But this is like, well, you know, last

40:07

week we talked about the historical cars that

40:09

I drove and that

40:10

the specialness of that 80s

40:13

club sport, which had weight

40:16

pulled out of all kinds of places that only

40:18

a factory could really do. And this

40:20

is this is that this is them

40:23

doing that where it doesn't have

40:26

more power, but somehow it

40:28

will be

40:29

noticeably faster. It

40:32

will it will when the engine feels

40:34

unburdened, you know, it's the same

40:37

engine, but with less to move around, less

40:39

weight and less aero drag. Yep.

40:42

You know, in a straight line, and no rear steer,

40:46

which

40:46

is weird to save weight.

40:48

Yeah, which is actually interesting because every

40:50

Porsche press car 992 I've

40:52

driven is had rear steer,

40:54

they put in all the press cars because they want you

40:56

to feel it. I should ask Frank for

40:58

for any 911 without rear

41:00

steer, if

41:03

they have one just because so many people,

41:05

it's probably the most

41:07

and not the most it's one of the most

41:09

common Porsche questions I

41:11

get.

41:12

Do I need to get rear steer?

41:14

And I have the same unhelpful

41:17

answer, which is that I've never driven one without

41:20

it. So

41:20

yeah, so I think

41:22

it's fairly invisible, but I am curious

41:24

to see what this feels like. I mean, you turns

41:26

will take a little bit more room. But honestly, like how

41:29

can I feel the difference in dynamic driving?

41:33

Like because my brain goes, if I'm going to have

41:35

a really aggressive car, I'd rather have a steering rear

41:38

steering that's just fixed. So it's not another

41:40

system I have to think about or worry about or learn

41:43

to work with. But I've never driven

41:45

any of the new 992 is hard enough to, you

41:47

know, like slid them or anything to where that's become

41:50

an issue. So yeah, well,

41:52

here's the rant. Another random thing. If

41:54

you get rear steer,

41:56

you have to get lithium battery. Don't

41:58

know why. But The rear steer

42:00

also needs lithium battery, which

42:04

just means you need a special battery tender

42:06

if you're not gonna be using the car at least

42:09

once a week.

42:10

Yeah, we get to drive it pretty

42:12

regularly, right? Yeah, pay the

42:14

cost to be the boss, but it's something to

42:16

consider.

42:19

You wanna play, here's a fun one. The

42:23

Land Cruiser we can talk about later. I don't really

42:25

give a shit about the Land Cruiser. It's

42:27

not really our crowd, but it looks nice,

42:30

good for them. Vinny

42:32

got me this 1966 issue of Road and Track, January 1966.

42:38

And I think

42:41

anyone who's ever read car magazines

42:43

and has some old ones laying around, it's

42:46

always a fun game to go back

42:48

and see what

42:50

people thought about cars. For instance,

42:53

here's a report on the

42:55

US Grand Prix

42:57

of that year, which Jim Clark

42:59

won. Wow, that's

43:01

winner Jim Clark.

43:05

Sorry, excuse me. Jim Clark

43:07

did not win. Jim Clark started

43:10

on pole, but he

43:12

did not win. He

43:17

had the fastest lap before retiring, Graham

43:19

Hill won. But still, we're talking

43:21

about some OG shit. But

43:23

the most fun thing to talk about in these

43:26

old magazines

43:27

is the classifieds. So

43:31

back in the day, the

43:34

marketplace section of

43:37

Road and Track or Car and Driver is where

43:40

one would go to buy

43:42

an enthusiast car or sell an enthusiast

43:44

car. And because

43:47

inflation is a thing, I've got an inflation

43:49

calculator handy so that

43:51

we can do today's money for some

43:53

of these cars. Because in a recent

43:57

show, we talked about, courtesy

44:00

of one of our fans who made us a handy chart.

44:03

It's in the show with Throttle House. What

44:06

a bad idea it is to buy a

44:09

car that is intended to be limited

44:12

production like a special edition

44:14

Corvette Camaro or something

44:16

like that

44:17

and then not drive it. What

44:19

a terrible investment that is compared

44:22

to inflation and compared to the stock

44:24

market. Well I haven't done the math compared

44:26

to the stock market but just

44:29

by judging what some of these cars are worth

44:31

today compared to

44:32

what they would have sold for and inflation

44:36

we can find out that the opposite is true.

44:39

Some of the cars, if you had bought

44:41

them in the mid

44:44

to late 60s, would

44:46

and by the way not and not

44:49

preserve them. Okay. And

44:51

driven them and used them

44:53

for 40 or 50 years.

44:56

How you'd be up.

45:00

And this is fucking unbelievable. Some of

45:02

these are truly unbelievable. This

45:05

is one of the most amazing classes. If

45:07

this road and track marketplace,

45:11

the list of cars on here reads

45:14

like a Gooding Pebble Beach catalog

45:16

right now. Okay. So

45:18

here's some highlights. 1965

45:20

Ferrari 250 LM. Brand new, never

45:28

raced. $17,500. So $17,500

45:31

in 1966 for this car. Now let's

45:34

just also mention that when

45:45

a Ferrari 250 LM comes to

45:47

market today, mileage

45:49

is not only does it not matter, it's never

45:52

even mentioned. It

45:54

doesn't matter. This car is so

45:56

rare and important that mileage

45:58

doesn't matter.

45:59

at all. In fact, the harder

46:02

and the more miles it has on it, it's probably

46:04

better for history, right?

46:06

So that is $165,000 in today's money. This car

46:09

is probably worth $10 million. So you

46:17

would have smoked,

46:19

smoked inflation, and

46:23

probably possibly smoked the stock

46:25

market as well. I pulled

46:27

up a pretty rudimentary investment calculator,

46:29

but basically I punched in 58 years,

46:32

which is about how long it's been, $17,500. Return rate, 5%, which is very conservative

46:38

for annual return on the stock market, but I'm

46:40

just making my own index basically. Compound

46:44

annually, no additional contribution. It would

46:46

have gone from $17,500 to $296,000. So a strong

46:49

return,

46:53

but you would have gotten destroyed by the Ferrari.

46:56

Right below

46:58

that is a pair of

47:00

short wheelbase California spiders. Two. $6,000

47:03

for a California

47:11

spider, $9,500

47:14

for the other one, because the

47:16

other one has a Barrani

47:20

wheels, aluminum body, limited

47:23

slip diff. One of three made $9,500.

47:25

So $9,500

47:26

in-

47:28

Well,

47:31

quick correction. I forgot about inflation.

47:33

So inflation, $17,500 from 1965 would now be

47:37

worth 170 grand. So

47:39

if you made 296, then you would have made 120

47:41

grand. So how much is

47:44

this? $9,500?

47:45

Yeah. And same year, $65,000, right?

47:51

Yeah. So inflation is $90,000. That car today,

47:53

in today's money, is $90,000.

48:00

A Ferrari aluminum-bodied

48:03

short wheelbase Ferrari California is

48:06

probably $15 million. Yeah,

48:08

and the stock market, the 5% return in

48:10

that time would have only given you $160,000. Right.

48:15

So...

48:16

How about this one? 1958 Ferrari 250

48:18

GT short wheelbase.

48:22

What?

48:31

Forced to sell, it says in the ad.

48:34

For reference, adjusted for inflation,

48:36

that is someone selling that car today for

48:38

only $26,000, which is like

48:41

new Altima money. Yeah.

48:44

Holy crap.

48:45

Yeah. This is before

48:48

these cars were collectible.

48:51

When this car was not, you

48:53

know, the idea

48:56

of investing in cars

48:58

as collectors items had not

49:01

happened yet. So

49:04

yeah, that would be $23,000 today. Cars

49:07

probably worth $2

49:09

to $3 million, maybe more.

49:11

Right. Let's keep it going.

49:14

Here's a good one. One, two, three,

49:16

four, five, six, seven,

49:19

eight.

49:20

Eight. Okay.

49:23

Can you see this? It's very green. My

49:25

black light. Okay. It's greeny, but just

49:27

trust me, they're here. Eight.

49:29

In a row, Mercedes

49:32

gull wings. Eight of them in

49:34

one page of a fucking classified

49:37

ad. Jeez. I haven't

49:39

seen eight gull wings for sale in one

49:42

place ever. We'll go

49:44

with... Here's the prices.

49:54

Call

49:58

to ask. Let's see what's the best

50:01

one. This one has rudge

50:03

wheels, rudge

50:05

magnesium wheels, high performance

50:07

cam. Okay, that's the

50:09

one. in 1966.

50:17

This is a car that would sell for $1.1 to $1.4 million today.

50:23

Well, that's $50,000 in today's money, so

50:25

it's obviously being sold for a huge

50:27

bargain.

50:28

Yeah.

50:29

But that means back then that was asking

50:31

a lot of money for something that was an old race

50:34

car. And

50:37

let's see, $50,200. That's... Wow,

50:39

it's so cheap. It's

50:43

crazy cheap, right?

50:45

Yeah. I mean, well, and it's so small. If

50:47

you invested that, again, for any

50:49

accounting nerds like listening, I know this is not

50:51

that accurate, but the investment calculator, that

50:54

only returns you $80,000 or $82,000 profit.

50:56

Right. Then,

51:01

I mean, so, you know, and that's, you

51:03

know, they're all kind of all these gull wings are kind of in the

51:05

same range. The most expensive

51:07

one

51:08

is $59.50. It's

51:12

a roadster with a hardtop. So

51:15

whatever. Then you've got a whole

51:17

bunch of Porsches, lots

51:20

of speedsters, lots of 356s. The

51:23

highlight of the Porsches is a 904 coupe.

51:27

Latest specifications, dual

51:29

Le Mans exhaust, Le Mans

51:31

cams, American mag wheels, Le

51:34

Mans disc brakes. Won first

51:37

overall, Bridgehampton 500. Won

51:40

first two liter GT Watkins Glen.

51:42

That's

51:47

pretty, pretty

51:49

amazing. So $6,200 in today's money is $58,000. So

51:57

that'll get you a BMW 240i. X

52:00

Drive. Geez, that's crazy.

52:02

In today's buddy for a class

52:05

winner Porsche 904 easily

52:08

worth three million bucks right

52:10

now with a racing history.

52:13

Mileage irrelevant. Condition

52:17

irrelevant. Isn't that incredible?

52:20

And I think what we learned on the throttle house show

52:22

is

52:23

sadly there were a lot of cars that people thought

52:26

were going to be worth a ton of money. A

52:28

lot of them were American cars like you

52:30

know whatever, Indy, Edition, Corvette

52:32

things like that that just never hit the

52:35

big worldwide collector market

52:37

and so that's why the great sadness

52:40

of them not driving these cars is you didn't get to enjoy

52:42

it because you always thought it was gonna be your lottery

52:44

ticket retirement fund and then very sadly

52:47

it's not at all. So unless you

52:50

are one of the and even now like you

52:53

could buy a rare Ferrari today but

52:55

it's weird because there's so many like you

52:57

know rare special edition supercars and hypercars

53:00

that we don't know which ones will actually still

53:03

be special in 50 years.

53:05

Right. I mean there's

53:08

no I don't know if there's consumer advice

53:11

for today with this other

53:13

than

53:14

miles are cheap

53:16

if the car is great you

53:18

know if you if you buy a great car

53:22

then it's it's not worth it it's

53:25

more worth it to buy a great

53:27

car and put miles on it and get enjoyment

53:29

out of it and over

53:31

the long term you'll get that value back

53:34

versus buying something that

53:37

is a special edition version of

53:39

an otherwise common car and

53:41

then preserving it for something.

53:44

Right. Right. Only two more in here.

53:46

Yeah. Do you know what Doug page for his

53:50

four GT? Like

53:53

do you recall ballpark?

53:56

I do but I don't want to say. Okay.

54:00

I brought that up because it has a lot of miles on it and he's putting

54:02

miles on it. Right. Yeah. So

54:04

you know who he bought that car from is Carl Brower. Okay.

54:07

That was Carl's car. And Carl's, he writes about

54:09

cars. He's an automotive journalist

54:12

who bought that car new

54:14

and proceeded to put a ton of miles, put 28,000 miles

54:16

on it in 10 years. And

54:21

by the way, still

54:25

sold it to Doug for more than the MSRP

54:27

of the car. Exactly. That's the point.

54:30

Yeah, yeah. I don't want to say exactly what it was. That's

54:32

fine. But the MSRP of that car

54:34

was 149 grand and Doug definitely paid

54:37

more than 149 grand for that

54:39

car. Yeah. If the car is good

54:41

enough, as you said, the miles don't matter. That's an example of that.

54:44

Yeah. Two more on the list.

54:47

Oh, wait.

54:50

Oh, wow. Holy shit. Did

54:52

I miss one? Okay. Well,

54:54

I have two very affordable ones and

54:56

then one on the next page that

54:59

I missed. Okay. That is worth

55:01

circling back on. 1953 Siata.

55:04

Do

55:06

you know what a Siata is? S-I-A-T-A?

55:08

No. It's a very

55:11

beautiful car. The only one

55:13

I've ever seen was at the Peterson Museum.

55:15

Oh, it looks like an AC Cobra. Looks

55:18

a lot like an AC Cobra. But 10

55:20

years before an AC Cobra.

55:23

Right. They should sue AC

55:25

possibly. Right. Yeah.

55:32

And this one's got a hard top on it. Very

55:35

beautiful car. And 1150,

55:39

which is $10,829 in today's money.

55:44

This car is probably worth $300,000 to $400,000.

55:49

So even though it's not

55:51

a Ferrari or a Porsche or, you

55:53

know,

55:54

it's a car that was rare and beautiful

55:58

and as such. Extremely

56:00

collectible even though it was undervalued

56:03

at the time And

56:05

then we go even how about older?

56:07

1930 Talbo

56:11

with coachwork by dorok 3 liter

56:14

engine pre selector gearbox Talbo

56:20

is probably worth three to four hundred

56:22

thousand dollars and would be a pebble Beach

56:24

contender these days

56:27

And then and then the one

56:29

I missed There's

56:34

actually two I've missed But

56:39

the one that's really worth discussing 1964 Ferrari

56:44

GTO One

56:50

The 24 hours of Daytona driven

56:52

by Phil Hill mint condition

56:55

Mechanically perfect what? registered

56:59

in California

57:00

chrome wheels Want its

57:02

class at the Hillsborough Concours?

57:06

weighs 2,250 pounds.

57:09

Whoa, put the weight in there five

57:11

speed synchro box

57:14

Twelve thousand five

57:16

hundred dollars financing available.

57:20

So so twelve five

57:26

Twelve five for the

57:28

GTO is a hundred and seventeen

57:31

thousand dollars in today's money Yeah,

57:33

I'm just gonna put this as a screen share

57:35

up and you'll just laugh Have 45

57:41

million dollar valuation

57:43

today's money Yeah

57:46

Mileage

57:53

Not fucking relevant and now for

57:55

people looking at the screen like this is a 62 by sky

57:58

gliad. It's like a little different

57:59

But I'm sure that the one

58:02

you just mentioned which one a famous race

58:04

driven by a famous person is probably

58:06

still worth 30 million dollars

58:09

I mean any Ferrari GTO

58:12

is worth what is any Ferrari

58:14

GTO is worth? 30 to 50 plus

58:17

possibly more more and one is

58:19

the one that Phil Hill won a

58:21

endurance race in

58:23

Is gonna be right at the top of that heap. I

58:26

don't have a VIN number um

58:29

But you could probably get a picture of it Phil Hill

58:32

and Pedro Rodriguez I'll

58:34

have it in

58:37

1964 wait, it's gotta be still around. I think

58:39

I actually was every show was that

58:41

it every GTO still

58:43

around Oh, yeah, this one was at

58:45

it ex Phil Hill Ferrari. I told you Sworn

58:49

for 48 million bucks. There you

58:51

go He probably drove

58:53

more than one car, but let's just say that's it

58:56

does it say Daytona on there 1964 having

59:03

one at Daytona and Sebring. Yeah,

59:05

there you go Or

59:08

we don't know this is a different car they were saying like they

59:10

had okay, they wanted Daytona, but this is a

59:12

different car Okay, well either

59:14

way that's I mean if it's 42

59:17

or 47 or 50 or you know either way

59:21

Any one of the cars in this magazine

59:23

you would have not only smoked

59:26

inflation, but you would have smoked

59:28

the stock market

59:29

Even if you drove the car

59:32

regularly for 40 years.

59:34

Yeah, I mean these are you know the rare

59:36

blue chip

59:38

Race cars and yeah, but

59:40

dude there's eight go wings for

59:42

sale in this magazine. It probably didn't

59:44

seem rare No, I know it didn't

59:47

and I mean honestly to go back

59:49

to the Pete Brotman thing like Right

59:51

it'll be interesting interesting to see which

59:54

race cars 50 years from now

59:57

If any like get this kind of a claim

59:59

in this kind of

59:59

value because we don't know. Right.

1:00:02

Right. Yeah. That's

1:00:05

crazy, right? Yeah. Switching

1:00:08

games before we- All right, let's do a few questions. Well, before

1:00:10

we do, there's something happening in Australia that you

1:00:12

might like,

1:00:14

but then is not

1:00:16

exactly as you've wanted it to

1:00:18

happen. So

1:00:19

Australia is going to require a special

1:00:22

license for ultra high powered vehicles

1:00:25

starting in 2024. Okay. And

1:00:28

they define a high powered vehicle as

1:00:30

any car that has a power

1:00:33

to weight ratio of at

1:00:36

least 276 kilowatts

1:00:38

per ton. So for example, a

1:00:41

Lamborghini Huracan has 292 kilowatts per

1:00:43

ton, whereas an M3 has just 222. So anything a little

1:00:45

bit faster than

1:00:51

a new M3 would fall under this, what

1:00:53

they're calling a U license.

1:00:56

And additionally, so if you own

1:00:58

one of these cars now,

1:01:00

or you want to buy one in 2024 when the law goes into

1:01:02

effect, you're

1:01:05

going to have to take this course,

1:01:08

even if you already have the car. And then if

1:01:11

it's discovered that you have ever disabled,

1:01:13

not ever, if you get pulled over or

1:01:15

get in trouble and they discover that you turned off

1:01:18

traction control, ABS or anything like that, you

1:01:20

can get fined up to five grand,

1:01:23

which all of this is interesting.

1:01:25

The downside is right now the training they

1:01:28

say is just an online course. It's

1:01:30

not driver training, which is what we've

1:01:32

talked about as a special license that allows us to drive

1:01:34

faster. And you know, and

1:01:37

also teach people to handle these cars. This is the opposite

1:01:39

of that. This is the opposite of that. Yeah.

1:01:42

What we discussed was taking

1:01:44

extra training on the ground in

1:01:47

order to get a special license that would allow

1:01:49

you to drive faster. Right.

1:01:52

What this is, is a

1:01:54

special restriction preventing

1:01:58

you from driving faster. despite

1:02:00

your car's ability to

1:02:03

safely do so, yeah,

1:02:06

this is the opposite. Right, the only,

1:02:08

like, I would, when this course comes

1:02:11

out, if anyone in Australia, well,

1:02:13

there'll be articles, like, I wanna see what

1:02:15

the course is,

1:02:17

Yeah. and see how thorough it is or

1:02:19

what it's about, or if it's just like, you

1:02:21

know, it takes five minutes, you click through some things and then

1:02:23

you give them money, I mean, that would be a waste of

1:02:25

this. Like, I'm trying to be

1:02:28

optimistic, like, how much can you teach someone

1:02:30

about a very powerful car and how to deal

1:02:32

with it, you know, through writing?

1:02:35

And we've read books like Speed Secrets and

1:02:37

other driving books, like, you can learn something,

1:02:40

but I don't know how thorough this is going to be,

1:02:42

or, you know, will it actually make people safer or

1:02:45

is it just a box to tick and the government gets to

1:02:47

charge you money?

1:02:49

I

1:02:53

mean, it's gotta be related to Australia's, like, anti-hooning

1:02:56

thing, right? You know, they're trying

1:02:58

to restrict driving dangerously, which,

1:03:06

okay, I understand that, but

1:03:12

this seems like the wrong

1:03:14

way to do it, and it also seems

1:03:16

really full of holes. Like,

1:03:19

for instance, one

1:03:22

might argue, in fact, I could

1:03:24

make a pretty strong argument that driving

1:03:27

quickly in a Huracan is safer than driving

1:03:29

quickly in an M3. Furthermore,

1:03:32

I could make an argument that driving, that

1:03:35

while you might need a special license

1:03:38

to buy a Huracan and you wouldn't need an M3, and

1:03:41

we're just using

1:03:42

those examples from this article,

1:03:46

well, what if you fucking tune your M3

1:03:49

to make 1,000 horsepower? Right. Are

1:03:52

they gonna follow up on that? And

1:03:55

then it's like,

1:03:57

do they need, how do they prove?

1:04:01

If you get pulled over and you

1:04:03

turn traction control on before the car comes

1:04:06

to the cop comes and looks in your window, how

1:04:08

do they prove it was off in a way

1:04:11

that is legally sound?

1:04:13

Now, I'm not entirely sure what type of rights

1:04:16

you have as a citizen in Australia.

1:04:19

Maybe you don't have a right to not

1:04:22

have a cop scan your car on the side of the road.

1:04:24

I don't know. Right. You're

1:04:26

not thinking it's plugged into your OBD2 or something like that.

1:04:28

It also might only

1:04:31

be the kind of thing that's enforced if you get into an accident.

1:04:35

If you turn off traction control and

1:04:37

you have an accident and you damage

1:04:40

something and now

1:04:42

it's like a punitive thing.

1:04:44

Yeah, Mustang cars and coffee type situation.

1:04:48

Sure. Or if you get caught doing a burnout,

1:04:50

they can go, oh, did you turn off traction control?

1:04:52

And you say no. Yeah. You can scan something.

1:04:55

It says that this law was

1:04:57

introduced after a 15 year

1:04:59

old girl was hit and killed

1:05:01

by a Lamborghini Huracan. That

1:05:04

was in 2019. So

1:05:06

that was what I was saying was the impetus.

1:05:09

Seems like arbitrarily punitive against

1:05:11

the Lamborghini Huracan, which

1:05:13

is a fast car, but

1:05:16

very stable

1:05:19

and controllable. And

1:05:22

in that particular case, I might put

1:05:24

a little more blame on the driver than the car.

1:05:27

Just saying. Well, I mean, like,

1:05:30

I don't know what conversations came

1:05:32

out of that. So maybe if the driver, total

1:05:35

hypothetical, but if the driver was like, oh, I

1:05:37

thought I could stop in time or I didn't realize

1:05:39

that I was not going to make it around that corner or

1:05:41

something like that, they go, OK, so the driver didn't know

1:05:44

how to handle their high performance vehicle.

1:05:47

Then more people are buying these cars and

1:05:49

cars are getting faster to a degree that we've

1:05:51

all talked about as alarming than

1:05:54

the OK, well, maybe we need some additional

1:05:56

instruction

1:05:57

or education to deal with

1:05:59

these superheavies. performance cars. Sure.

1:06:04

I'm pro-training. I'm

1:06:06

pro-trained. That's why I applaud when

1:06:09

car companies it's probably built in your price but

1:06:11

when you buy some cars they go you get a free

1:06:13

or two free days at our driving

1:06:16

school. That's a great idea and if your car

1:06:18

comes with it you should absolutely do it.

1:06:20

But you shouldn't need the

1:06:22

additional training to drive

1:06:24

the car within the speed limits. You

1:06:28

know what I mean? Like what they're basically

1:06:30

doing is admitting that people

1:06:34

are not obeying their speed limits and

1:06:39

I mean what is additional training in terms of an

1:06:42

online course due for you? Yeah,

1:06:44

like if you don't have if the special

1:06:47

license

1:06:48

only restricts you based

1:06:51

on horsepower or power to weight

1:06:55

but power to weight shouldn't matter

1:06:57

if you're staying within the limits

1:07:00

the speed limits. So are

1:07:02

they just giving up on speed

1:07:04

limits then? I mean what you know

1:07:07

like. I don't know. I don't know. If I was part

1:07:10

of this group who made this up

1:07:12

I would say that you are going about this very

1:07:14

very wrong. It'll be

1:07:17

funny to see how this affects the average

1:07:19

Cortina burnout contest

1:07:21

owner who's got 3,000 horsepower in a car

1:07:23

that came with 62. And

1:07:26

they're just like, nah, I don't need the license

1:07:28

for this. This thing's just a little

1:07:30

full pot. Yeah.

1:07:33

Okay. Alright. Well, I thought it was an interesting

1:07:35

thing. Yeah, I think that's probably

1:07:41

yeah. So let's go

1:07:44

to the Patreon. Of course we've got some

1:07:46

questions from the people. You

1:07:48

can do about 30 minutes of those. And yeah.

1:07:54

Alright.

1:07:59

with insanely high rates and

1:08:02

monthly payments over long terms for dealers

1:08:04

and OEMs. I

1:08:10

mean, were you there in 2008? Because

1:08:12

I was. Like...

1:08:18

I think the

1:08:21

difference is people might could lose their

1:08:23

car without losing their home. Right.

1:08:26

You know, like if you lose your car

1:08:29

it's bad, but like

1:08:32

you might be able to buy like a cheap shit

1:08:34

box and your life

1:08:37

won't get better, but you're not like homeless,

1:08:41

you know, and it's not you don't you

1:08:43

probably don't have your entire like net worth

1:08:46

tied up in a car like so

1:08:48

many people did in their homes. Mm-hmm And

1:08:51

I don't think the car I think people are making bad

1:08:53

decisions in terms of rolling over

1:08:55

equity into newer cars and getting

1:08:57

themselves into debt, but it's not like

1:09:01

people like like it's not like they're

1:09:03

giving out loans

1:09:05

that are worth hundreds of thousands of dollars

1:09:07

or millions of dollars to

1:09:10

people that shouldn't have had them

1:09:12

in the first place.

1:09:14

Right. Right. And they can repossess your

1:09:16

car and but you

1:09:18

know,

1:09:19

it's it's bad but it's not as large

1:09:21

a consequence as if your house gets repossessed so

1:09:23

people will always give up their car

1:09:25

instead of their home if they're

1:09:27

forced to have that option, but I think yeah,

1:09:30

I think it's it's it's a really risky weird

1:09:33

time for a lot of folks that are overextending

1:09:35

themselves in a number of different

1:09:37

ways and

1:09:39

you know, I don't know I don't know if there's a way for the dealers

1:09:41

and OEMs to always win because if they repost a

1:09:43

car they can resell it, you know, but if there's enough

1:09:45

there's a huge economic recession or collapse

1:09:48

then who do you sell that repossessed car to

1:09:50

if there's no one to buy it and then you then then

1:09:53

you would have problems on the dealer side.

1:09:56

I think

1:09:59

that there I think There will be some kind

1:10:01

of a crash, but the landing will

1:10:03

be a little softer than all

1:10:05

of a sudden finding a whole bunch

1:10:08

of people without homes. Yes, I

1:10:10

agree. Cruising

1:10:13

USA says, what is our favorite Dylan

1:10:15

Optics model? I

1:10:21

appreciate the question. I don't really

1:10:23

have a favorite. I don't

1:10:25

really have a favorite. It depends on like what I'm wearing

1:10:28

and what I'm doing. I've got these,

1:10:30

which I think are called the Eloy. And there's some

1:10:32

good like aviator style

1:10:35

joints that I like cause they're good for people who

1:10:37

have a bigger head. And then I've got

1:10:39

my sort of casual Wayfarer

1:10:42

style. I don't remember what the name

1:10:44

of them are. I wear the read a lot, which

1:10:47

I like kind of a blockier shape

1:10:49

but not full square like I had back

1:10:51

in 2003. I'm

1:10:54

fortunate enough that as a sponsor, I've got like 10 pairs

1:10:56

of them. So I can change what I'm

1:10:59

wearing based on the occasion. I don't need

1:11:01

to have a favorite. If I was gonna

1:11:03

just have one though,

1:11:05

I think one of the Wayfarer styles, I

1:11:08

don't remember what this one's called. It looks

1:11:10

like the read, but it has the thinner

1:11:12

side pieces than the read. Either

1:11:15

these in the black with

1:11:17

a blue or silver lens is

1:11:20

probably the most

1:11:21

versatile. It's a good one. Zask.

1:11:26

Okay.

1:11:29

What is the bad gardener?

1:11:31

What is the arrangement that allows you to blast

1:11:34

through the canyons? Cops just don't patrol

1:11:36

early mornings. And then side question,

1:11:38

have I heard correctly that England has a lot of

1:11:41

de-restricted side roads?

1:11:45

There's

1:11:47

no arrangement. They

1:11:49

catch us, they catch us. It's

1:11:52

just wherever you are in

1:11:54

the country or the world, if

1:11:56

you wanna go have fun on a good road, it's

1:11:59

important. It's important to choose

1:12:02

your time and place wisely. Learn

1:12:05

the area and go

1:12:07

drive in a place

1:12:09

where people aren't, at

1:12:12

a time when people aren't there, and

1:12:15

in a manner where if somebody saw

1:12:17

you, their reaction won't

1:12:20

be, fuck this guy I'm

1:12:22

calling the cops. Be

1:12:24

invisible. Be polite. Obey

1:12:27

the rules. And

1:12:30

drive in a manner that even if someone

1:12:32

saw a video of you driving, and

1:12:35

you were going technically over the

1:12:37

speed limit, that you were not

1:12:39

driving in such an egregious manner, that

1:12:42

someone goes, fuck this guy, he's putting

1:12:44

people at risk. That's

1:12:47

really all there is to it.

1:12:51

And then the England thing, I don't

1:12:53

believe that's true. We drove a lot

1:12:55

of B roads and A roads in England, and

1:12:57

there were places where we would see a sign

1:13:00

that we had to look up online, but it basically

1:13:02

means national speed limit here. So

1:13:04

on a road that the speed that might

1:13:06

go down to 25 miles per hour in a town, and then as

1:13:08

you leave the town, the sign pops up,

1:13:10

it's a circle with like a black slash through it,

1:13:13

and it's just saying national speed limit. So

1:13:15

similar to here where if you're on a two-lane road in America,

1:13:18

and there's not an otherwise indicated

1:13:20

speed limit, speed limit is usually 55, if

1:13:22

it's like a rural highway. So

1:13:25

I don't think there's any, no.

1:13:27

I don't think there's anything official.

1:13:30

If there's not a restricted area, then people would stop going to the Autobahn to test cars, and

1:13:32

they would go to England. Yeah, I mean

1:13:34

there's definitely rural areas where people

1:13:37

aren't around, just like in

1:13:40

all kinds of states in America and other

1:13:42

countries. If you just go

1:13:44

somewhere where there's no people,

1:13:46

then no one really gives a shit what you do. Just don't

1:13:48

put people at risk. Don't

1:13:51

drive in a way where locals or neighbors

1:13:53

or anyone goes, fuck this dude,

1:13:55

I'm calling the cops.

1:13:57

Be invisible. Ivan

1:14:00

Capote, hey guys, I'm wondering about

1:14:03

all these insane regulations that the car industry

1:14:06

goes through. Do car manufacturers

1:14:09

have little power in Congress?

1:14:11

We have seen other corporations in different industries

1:14:13

getting away with insane things and violations

1:14:16

that would be a crime elsewhere. Why

1:14:18

is the car industry oppressed so

1:14:20

much?

1:14:22

I disagree with the premise of the question. The

1:14:25

car industry has massive lobbying power

1:14:28

and regularly gets away with all kinds

1:14:30

of fucking terrible things and

1:14:33

are not subject to arbitrary

1:14:36

regulations most of the time. I

1:14:40

disagree with the premise of the question. What

1:14:45

insane regulation have car

1:14:47

companies been make your cars safer,

1:14:49

make your cars more

1:14:53

fuel efficient, make

1:14:56

your cars fit in a parking space that

1:14:58

is a standard size? I don't

1:15:00

see anything unreasonable

1:15:02

about stuff like that.

1:15:04

My guess

1:15:06

is that Ivan is just seeing cylinder

1:15:09

counts shrinking and MPG going up

1:15:11

and whatever and feeling like

1:15:13

the car companies are losing.

1:15:16

Turbo

1:15:19

charging has led to the fastest fucking

1:15:21

cars being sold that have ever been sold.

1:15:24

I know, direct injection, same thing.

1:15:28

Yeah, direct injection, same thing. Huge power gain, huge

1:15:30

efficiency gain. For

1:15:32

the last 20 years

1:15:34

it's been really visible.

1:15:38

The pressure put upon car companies

1:15:41

has made the performance of cars accelerate,

1:15:44

no pun intended, like increase a huge

1:15:46

amount. They had to find ways to

1:15:49

get more miles per gallon of gasoline which led to direct

1:15:52

injection which all of a sudden went, oh wow, we can

1:15:54

crank compression and make way more power,

1:15:57

especially with turbochargers. That's

1:15:59

been really beneficial.

1:15:59

Also, like, go read unsafe

1:16:02

at any speed. Like, the shit that American

1:16:04

car companies got away with for so

1:16:07

long in terms of like,

1:16:09

actively subverting environmental

1:16:13

and safety regulations, which

1:16:16

led to a lot of people dying

1:16:19

or being injured. Like, they

1:16:21

should have been, they should have been

1:16:23

subject to more restrictions long

1:16:26

before they were. So

1:16:29

yeah, I fundamentally disagree

1:16:31

with the premise of the question. All

1:16:34

right. We

1:16:38

kind of covered the Nissan Z.

1:16:42

Oops, sorry. All right,

1:16:44

Aidan Squires asks, assuming that

1:16:47

one day Mercedes will stop producing V12s and

1:16:49

transition to hybrid V8s and the like, where

1:16:51

will Pagani get their engines? Old

1:16:54

cars. Switch to small cars, small

1:16:56

engines, or just keep a V12s from someone else?

1:16:59

So Pagani doesn't

1:17:02

get their engines from

1:17:04

Mercedes' current V12. Like,

1:17:08

well, that's actually maybe not true. I don't

1:17:10

know where, they may be sourcing engines

1:17:12

directly from Mercedes

1:17:14

for their newest car. When

1:17:16

they, you know how they keep building Zondas? It's

1:17:19

always the last one, and then they build like

1:17:22

two more a year. They are literally

1:17:24

scavenging older

1:17:26

V12s to take them apart and build

1:17:28

those. Wow.

1:17:31

Yeah, because it's based on the older V12 architecture. Right.

1:17:35

My guess is Pagani

1:17:38

will have plenty of heads up for

1:17:40

when Mercedes is ending production of that

1:17:42

engine, and Mercedes

1:17:44

will sell Pagani five

1:17:47

or 10 years worth of engines, which

1:17:49

is something they'll be prepared for, and

1:17:52

that'll be that. Yeah, that's

1:17:54

a good guess. And if there's

1:17:56

a small manufacturer

1:17:58

clause in the E.

1:17:59

laws and Pagani would most

1:18:02

certainly,

1:18:04

you know, pass that scrutiny because I don't think

1:18:06

they sell them any cost per year so they could hopefully

1:18:08

keep making V12 powered things for a long time.

1:18:12

Crandy says, should 991.1 GT3s

1:18:15

be considered a value considering how much cheaper they

1:18:17

are than .2s?

1:18:22

I mean, yeah, they're a good value.

1:18:25

They're still very fast. They still are

1:18:28

fun to drive. I think

1:18:30

they have a blemish on their record because

1:18:32

there was that engine recall where they had to replace

1:18:35

all the engines in them.

1:18:37

But they're still pretty nice cars. So

1:18:41

yeah, I mean, if you want something

1:18:43

to drive and not necessarily to collect,

1:18:46

then yeah, great driver's car.

1:18:50

Alejandro is taking a trip

1:18:52

from San Francisco to Big Cern back

1:18:54

on how he wants to know what the best convertible

1:18:57

to rent from Turo or

1:18:59

the other company would be not

1:19:01

looking for speed performance. From

1:19:04

where in back? Taking the high one from SF

1:19:06

to Big Cern back up.

1:19:09

Oh. You know, the Monterey trip

1:19:11

as it were. Yeah. I mean, you could rent a

1:19:13

Bentley Continental. Yeah.

1:19:16

You could do that. That's pretty nice.

1:19:19

I

1:19:19

mean, the main question is, do you need two seats

1:19:21

or four? Right. Do you need

1:19:23

four seats that will inform your decision?

1:19:26

And how much luggage do you need? Because if it's like

1:19:28

a hardtop convertible, a lot of those, you

1:19:30

know, they encroach on the trunk space a lot.

1:19:33

So pretty limited. Yeah. Like,

1:19:35

you know, Ferrari California is cool until you put the

1:19:37

top down and you can only fit a backpack in there.

1:19:40

Yeah. I mean, anything

1:19:43

that handles well,

1:19:45

that's a windy road, right? So you

1:19:48

don't need a ton of power, but you want good

1:19:50

handling. So an

1:19:53

M4 would be great. A 911

1:19:56

convertible would be great. If

1:20:00

you only need you know the two seats

1:20:02

because you still got two two trunks there Lexus

1:20:07

LC 500 convertible if such a thing

1:20:10

exists on Turo That'd

1:20:12

be a nice one. That'd be a good one,

1:20:14

wouldn't it? Yeah yeah,

1:20:17

I mean anything anything that that

1:20:21

That that has good handling good

1:20:24

braking and You

1:20:26

know is comfortable and holds your shit I

1:20:30

wouldn't go for a Mustang or Camaro convertible

1:20:33

is what I'm saying. I would go for something with Handling

1:20:35

is a little more of a priority. I agree. Well like

1:20:37

base like 911 Carreras on

1:20:40

Turo are like shockingly

1:20:43

cheap. They're like, you know 150 to 200 a day

1:20:45

for for a Less

1:20:50

than three or four years old 911 Carrera,

1:20:52

which I think would be great. Yeah Luke

1:20:56

Talion says Matt. What's your take on steel

1:20:58

and gold watches? I'm close to purchasing Tudor's

1:21:00

Black Bay heritage root beer GMT

1:21:02

and Wondering how the gold capped

1:21:04

parts would age over time as

1:21:07

a high wear everyday watch. I

1:21:09

Don't fuck with two-tone Two

1:21:12

tones kind of like trashy to me How

1:21:15

will it wear not as well as the

1:21:17

steel? I mean gold one

1:21:19

of the things about gold watches that's like a downside

1:21:22

It's like when people buy a gold version

1:21:24

of a quote tool watch It

1:21:27

takes it out of that tool watch territory

1:21:29

because gold scratches

1:21:31

Much easier than steel. So

1:21:33

if you're gonna knock it into stuff, it's

1:21:35

gonna show a lot more wear

1:21:38

But I don't I don't love two-tone

1:21:40

watches So especially I don't

1:21:42

like I don't like precious metals on

1:21:44

watches that are not

1:21:47

Like the pinnacle of watchmaking

1:21:49

like I wouldn't buy you know, I was

1:21:52

like I like it's like

1:21:54

buying like a super optioned up

1:21:56

version of like a lower like like

1:22:00

Like imagine buying a mccon

1:22:02

t with a two liter

1:22:05

engine and like $30,000 in

1:22:08

pts and exclusive options. That's

1:22:11

what that is You're

1:22:13

not going to get the value

1:22:16

versus buying The higher

1:22:18

end car with like less flair

1:22:21

on it. Get what you want. Don't let me talk you out of it

1:22:23

But that's why I don't fuck with that's why I don't fuck

1:22:25

with two-tone and that's why I don't fuck with um

1:22:28

The lower I mean, I like

1:22:30

tutor don't get me wrong But like most

1:22:32

people go from a tutor to a rolex when they

1:22:35

can afford it Like i'd rather get the steel

1:22:37

rolex than the tutor two-tone or

1:22:39

gold

1:22:41

Just me all right thomas wilks.

1:22:44

Uh, anything you recommend I do to a 2012

1:22:46

grand sport corvette I just bought besides

1:22:49

driving it. It's a manual 3lt

1:22:51

has uh, 32,000 miles needs a wheel

1:22:53

bearing and tires, but otherwise it's fine

1:22:56

Well, I would do those things That

1:22:59

car grand sport handles great.

1:23:02

Yeah, they're nice. They're really nice, you

1:23:04

know, unless

1:23:06

I don't know unless you want to spend money and do a Coilover

1:23:09

conversion and get the adjustability that

1:23:11

you can get with that which is what we did with ours But

1:23:14

I mean the grand sport is a really fun

1:23:17

fun car out of the box Yeah,

1:23:20

I mean 2012 It's

1:23:22

not that you need to upgrade but

1:23:24

like I would do a full Service

1:23:27

like i'd make sure your bushings are really

1:23:29

good I'd make sure your shocks

1:23:31

are in really good shape that car will have mag

1:23:33

ride. So I'd make sure that

1:23:35

I would I would have like the major-ist

1:23:38

of services done Because

1:23:40

even with 32,000 miles, there's just

1:23:43

some stuff that'll be A little more

1:23:45

tired. So I would just make

1:23:47

that car You

1:23:48

know great brake pads, maybe some

1:23:51

stainless steel brake lines You

1:23:53

know great tires. Don't just get whatever

1:23:56

tires get really good tires and

1:23:58

Make sure it's in

1:23:59

as good of a shape

1:24:02

as it can be, because those cars from

1:24:04

the factory were excellent. Didn't

1:24:07

need anything.

1:24:10

All right.

1:24:12

Oh yeah, Levi Betz, he heard us talking about

1:24:14

the AMC gremlin

1:24:16

with the Levi's interior. Apparently, AMC also

1:24:19

made a Gucci edition Hornet. Mm.

1:24:22

Mm.

1:24:25

That's awesome. If

1:24:27

there's one thing, two things that I think go together,

1:24:30

it's AMC and Gucci. Gucci

1:24:34

reimagined Hornet. There

1:24:37

we go. Gucci reimagined?

1:24:39

Oh God. Yeah,

1:24:41

that says Gucci all over it. What

1:24:44

a fucking sad looking car that is. That's

1:24:47

terrible. Look at the badging. Oh my God.

1:24:49

Badging's weird. Oh, the seats

1:24:52

are kind of awesome though. I mean,

1:24:54

the seats themselves are garbage. The

1:24:56

color combo is awesome.

1:24:58

The color combo reminds me of, you remember

1:25:00

in grade school,

1:25:03

there'd be candy canes at Christmas time, and there

1:25:05

were the good ones, which are normal, and then there'd be

1:25:07

the ones that were green and red that

1:25:09

I thought were normal, and they had a weird

1:25:11

flavor. That's what this looks like. Yeah,

1:25:14

yeah, yeah, there was the white and red, and then the green

1:25:16

and red. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1:25:19

Yeah. Yeah. That's

1:25:21

really funny. Andy in Colorado says,

1:25:24

based on your recent trips, do you know anything

1:25:26

about what's up with the EV Macan

1:25:28

delay? Is there something

1:25:29

else going on beyond software glitches

1:25:32

that have been reported in the news? Do

1:25:35

you have any insight? I saw EV

1:25:37

Macan's testing when I was in Germany,

1:25:42

and I asked if

1:25:44

one would be ready to purchase

1:25:46

by April or May of next

1:25:48

year when it comes time to replace the Ford, and

1:25:51

they said it would not. Mm-hmm. So

1:25:54

I didn't ask why

1:25:56

that was. I just assumed it's still in

1:25:59

development. But I think that

1:26:01

seven seater EV is coming first.

1:26:05

There's been renderings of it that were released and-

1:26:08

From the foreshot? Yeah. It

1:26:10

didn't really interest me. All

1:26:14

right. 404 user not found asks,

1:26:17

what would we consider to be a quote,

1:26:19

fast car nowadays? When

1:26:21

I was younger, 500 horsepower was

1:26:23

the end of the world. Because

1:26:26

there's multiple thousand horsepower family sedans

1:26:28

that can do zero to 60 in high

1:26:30

twos, low threes. Yeah.

1:26:35

I mean, I think there's a difference between what,

1:26:39

as we just talked about earlier, with

1:26:42

turbo charging and all these technologies, not

1:26:44

to mention EV technology,

1:26:47

the increase in performance that's

1:26:49

accessible from otherwise pretty

1:26:51

regular cars is insane.

1:26:55

So like to me,

1:26:57

you don't need a huge

1:27:00

amount of power to have a fast car if

1:27:02

that power is delivered pretty

1:27:05

quickly. If

1:27:11

you've got a relatively light car

1:27:14

with 350 horsepower, it could feel very fast. I

1:27:17

mean, we drove that BMW M240

1:27:19

I'd mentioned earlier. That's a fucking

1:27:21

fast car. You drive

1:27:24

a, I mean, my Ford

1:27:26

Mach-E, which has the regular

1:27:29

rear wheel drive non-special powertrain

1:27:32

is 360 horsepower and I think 420 torque or something,

1:27:34

and it weighs 4800 pounds

1:27:37

or

1:27:40

something like that. It feels like a fast car.

1:27:43

You put your foot in the floor, like that thing's fucking going.

1:27:46

So anything that'll do zero to 60 in

1:27:49

under five seconds,

1:27:51

that feels like a fast car. To

1:27:54

me, there's only so fast I ever

1:27:56

need to go. these

1:28:00

really fast cars and yeah it's

1:28:02

cool to brag that your car can do this and that

1:28:04

but as I said in the

1:28:06

Bentley GT video which I hope you guys will

1:28:08

go watch

1:28:10

the Bentley GT W12 versus

1:28:12

the Bentley GT V8

1:28:15

the 12 makes more horsepower and

1:28:17

more torque and accelerates to 60 a

1:28:20

half a second faster on

1:28:22

the floorboard well how often

1:28:25

are you using floorboard

1:28:27

levels of power in a car that makes

1:28:30

five to six hundred and fifty horsepower

1:28:32

like so rarely are

1:28:34

you using that much power so

1:28:39

so many cars are really fast now

1:28:42

and and a lot of them are like totally normal

1:28:45

model three you know I also think

1:28:47

there's a difference between experiencing

1:28:49

the fast car and reading about the fast car like

1:28:52

for most people unless you have a job like

1:28:54

ours or you own a really really you know 700

1:28:57

800 horsepower car if you put a normal

1:28:59

person in a 500 horsepower car and

1:29:01

you floor it from a stop they're going

1:29:03

to go whoa this is fast and you will

1:29:05

be traveling at a high rate of speed it's only

1:29:08

when you spend your life you know

1:29:10

looking at car news and then your brain

1:29:12

just starts doing the comparison of oh this makes a thousand

1:29:15

or the Lucid makes thirteen hundred or this

1:29:18

you know Hoonigan project car makes two thousand

1:29:20

horsepower that you start going oh 500 is

1:29:22

not fast because I saw this other thing

1:29:24

on the internet that had a larger number

1:29:27

but it doesn't mean you're experiencing it so I think to

1:29:29

me a 500 horsepower car is still

1:29:32

a fast car and above that

1:29:34

things start to just get ridiculous

1:29:38

yes totally agreed um

1:29:41

nate m

1:29:43

says uh caveat this might be

1:29:45

out of our wheelhouse he says but

1:29:47

I need to cars no it's cars

1:29:50

but he says he needs a mid to full-size SUV

1:29:53

with legitimate four by four capabilities

1:29:55

that fits two car seats max budget 35

1:29:57

grand is there anything

1:29:59

considering besides a Lexus GX

1:30:02

or a high mileage Land Cruiser. Forerunner

1:30:05

prices seem ridiculous considering

1:30:07

their terrible interior in the engine, which

1:30:09

I totally agree with. Jeep

1:30:11

Grand Cherokee, man. They make so

1:30:14

many trim levels of different

1:30:16

niceness, 4x4 capability. They're

1:30:18

really nice to drive. They look nice inside of

1:30:20

it, in my opinion. And

1:30:23

they don't have the Toyota

1:30:25

tax that the Forerunner has.

1:30:27

They're different, like the Forerunner is

1:30:29

the Forerunner,

1:30:29

but a good Jeep

1:30:32

will go a lot of places. Yeah,

1:30:35

I think Jeep Grand Cherokee is a great answer.

1:30:39

I also think if

1:30:42

you're a little bolder, Land Rover LR4,

1:30:44

the LR4 is a really

1:30:46

nice product. Obviously,

1:30:49

it'll be more expensive to maintain probably

1:30:51

than a Jeep, but it

1:30:54

is a very nice product.

1:30:56

Yeah,

1:30:59

otherwise Land Cruisers and Lexus

1:31:01

GXs are nice as well.

1:31:04

And you could probably get a decent

1:31:07

version of either for that kind of money. But

1:31:11

yeah, Jeep Grand Cherokee is an excellent

1:31:13

call.

1:31:14

I think, who did we talk to recently? They

1:31:16

had an LR3 or 4

1:31:18

that had been pretty worry free, which surprised

1:31:20

everybody. Scotto has

1:31:23

one, and Matt Crook has one also.

1:31:25

Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I think Crook said his has not

1:31:27

actually had many problems. Yeah.

1:31:32

Okay, we talked about that. DWBF11,

1:31:37

what a beautiful name. How

1:31:39

do you guys handle long international trips

1:31:42

followed immediately by car related activities

1:31:44

like drives or press launches? Is it just lots

1:31:46

of caffeine? Drugs. Or some

1:31:48

other magic? Drugs. It's

1:31:52

rarely followed immediately by. Especially

1:31:55

if I'm going to Europe,

1:31:57

I leave in... the

1:32:01

evening from Los Angeles, arrive

1:32:05

mid-morning the next day, and

1:32:08

then have like a, you know, a transit or

1:32:10

whatever to the hotel, which is usually nowhere

1:32:12

near the airport. So I arrive

1:32:15

to the hotel sometime after lunch.

1:32:19

We then have some downtime, and

1:32:21

then there's a dinner, you sleep,

1:32:23

and then you drive the following day.

1:32:25

That's why those trips are so long, because

1:32:27

it's effectively two full days

1:32:30

to get there, one day of driving,

1:32:33

and then two days to get home, but because

1:32:35

of the time change, it's only one day.

1:32:38

Yeah. There's always like, because

1:32:40

they know you're going to land and you need to rest and

1:32:42

try to reset a bit before you drive the

1:32:44

next day. Otherwise it'd be really challenging.

1:32:47

And even with those sleep, like

1:32:48

sleeping pills help to kind of knock you

1:32:50

out so that you put your body to

1:32:53

sleep at night, even if your brain is

1:32:55

still on West coast time. Right.

1:32:57

But even so, I found like the Lotus trip was

1:32:59

two days of driving, and the first day my

1:33:02

brain was a lot fuzzier

1:33:04

and just not as sharp as it was the

1:33:07

second day, because I was just like,

1:33:08

you know, jet lagged and waking up at three o'clock in the morning

1:33:11

and all that stuff. So caffeine helps.

1:33:13

Well, I told the story about my caffeine

1:33:15

panic attack on the last podcast that

1:33:17

happened at Portia, so it's not

1:33:20

a perfect system for sure. No,

1:33:22

because you can drink too much caffeine where your

1:33:24

body knows you're drinking more caffeine, but your

1:33:26

brain like stops registering its effects.

1:33:28

So all of a sudden you have heart palpitations, but your

1:33:30

brain's not working any faster. And then you're just having

1:33:32

a bad day. Well, and it happens later. I mean, I had, I

1:33:35

had a caffeine panic attack

1:33:37

five hours after my last cup of

1:33:39

coffee, not,

1:33:40

not right after, you know, so

1:33:42

yeah. Um,

1:33:45

trying to sleep on that flight

1:33:48

and the gym, like it's, it makes a huge

1:33:50

difference when I get to

1:33:52

that first day, get to the hotel,

1:33:55

drop my shit straight to

1:33:58

the gym. That, that. is

1:34:00

a great reset for

1:34:02

both waking

1:34:04

up for the remainder of

1:34:06

that day and also like burning

1:34:09

off caffeine and extra energy.

1:34:11

So it really helps if wherever

1:34:13

they've got us going has a gym in the hotel. True.

1:34:17

But it beats the shit out of you. Long story short, it

1:34:19

beats the shit out of you. It's hard. And it's

1:34:21

not great. It's very rare that

1:34:24

I nail it perfectly. I'm like, oh, I didn't feel tired

1:34:26

at this end or this end. Yeah. Rich

1:34:29

B says he hasn't worn a watch in 20 years, but he's getting

1:34:31

the itch. Wants to spend 600

1:34:34

to a thousand dollars

1:34:36

on something mechanical. What do you suggest?

1:34:40

Seiko.

1:34:41

Seiko

1:34:43

Diver. That's the way to start. That's

1:34:45

where, that's the gateway

1:34:47

drug of watches. Start with a

1:34:49

Seiko Diver.

1:34:51

Augie Panino says,

1:34:53

what are our asks? What are our thoughts? Actually,

1:34:56

if that person's a patron, they

1:34:58

should just buy my limited release

1:35:00

notice watch when it comes out

1:35:02

this week. Oh, someone in Australia

1:35:04

asked, is there a specific time you're going

1:35:07

to announce the sale goes up? Because like,

1:35:09

do they need to stay up all night? No,

1:35:12

you don't need to stay up all night. It's not gonna

1:35:14

sell out in five minutes, but it will sell

1:35:16

out on the first day probably. So I

1:35:20

don't know yet. I'm meeting with those guys

1:35:22

next week

1:35:23

to discuss the exact details

1:35:25

of the launch. I will give a heads

1:35:29

up. We'll probably, what we'll probably do is

1:35:31

we'll do a post on

1:35:34

Patreon saying

1:35:36

when the time will be. And

1:35:38

then we'll do another post with the actual

1:35:40

link. But I hadn't thought about

1:35:42

that until right now, but we'll

1:35:44

do it for you. Perfect.

1:35:48

Delete that question. Augie

1:35:51

Panino has a 2023 XC60 and

1:35:54

wants to know what our thoughts are on

1:35:56

summer tires. It came with

1:35:59

P zeros.

1:35:59

lives in Santa Cruz which is fine

1:36:02

but he wants to do some winter trips to the Sierras

1:36:04

so should he a swap

1:36:07

out the high-performance summers for an all season

1:36:10

or be by a set of winter

1:36:12

tires and then keep the OEM wheels

1:36:14

and just swap back and forth as needed.

1:36:19

Depends how often

1:36:22

you're gonna go to the Sierras you

1:36:25

know I've driven to Mammoth a few times

1:36:28

and sometimes it's been really

1:36:31

snowy and having snow tires on the

1:36:33

car I was driving made a really big difference.

1:36:36

So if you're if you've got space

1:36:38

for an extra set of wheels and tires and you can

1:36:40

swap them out every six months

1:36:42

or

1:36:43

and or if you are for a trip

1:36:45

if you've got the hour to swap them out like

1:36:48

that's great I mean summers and winters is

1:36:51

certainly better than all seasons

1:36:53

on the other hands if you're talking about an XC 60

1:36:55

and

1:36:56

it's just to run the family around town

1:36:58

and go on road trips and you're

1:37:01

not pushing the limits of handling

1:37:03

or really care that much about dynamics

1:37:07

a good set of all seasons for the once

1:37:09

or twice you drive to the mountains in the winter

1:37:11

will probably be fine. Yeah

1:37:13

I think especially if you supplement with chains.

1:37:16

Like

1:37:16

I would look up on tire rack

1:37:18

what you know what the decibel rating is of the

1:37:21

tires you have and then make sure whatever all

1:37:23

seasons you get are not louder than

1:37:25

that that's that's the only way I could see that going wrong

1:37:27

because to me having P zeros

1:37:29

on an XC 60 is like it's

1:37:32

kind of unnecessary and

1:37:34

my dad my dad had a Volvo

1:37:36

V70 you know for seven years

1:37:40

and he's driven it to Tahoe usually four times

1:37:42

to five times a year he has all seasons but what

1:37:44

he does he has chains so if there's a ton

1:37:46

of snow he'll just put chains on

1:37:49

the all-wheel drive car that has all seasons but for the

1:37:51

most part you know he's a good snow driver

1:37:53

and I know I know for people that are saying like winter

1:37:55

tires are much better they stop and

1:37:57

turn better than all seasons but if you

1:38:00

you need something that is kind of a down the middle

1:38:02

tire, do an all season and then keep

1:38:04

chains in the car in case it's like, you know, really

1:38:07

severe.

1:38:08

Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. California

1:38:11

is not upstate New York. You

1:38:13

know, if in Santa Cruz, it's

1:38:15

not like in the winter, it's

1:38:18

not snowing, but it's below 40 degrees,

1:38:20

right? If it was cold a lot

1:38:23

and wet, but not snowing, then

1:38:26

having winter tires, you really get usefulness

1:38:28

out of. But if you're driving in a very mild climate

1:38:31

most of the time, and you're driving

1:38:34

to the mountains to go skiing once

1:38:36

or twice a year, and the roads

1:38:38

might be clear or they might be snowy,

1:38:41

you're probably fine with all seasons and chains

1:38:43

as a backup. Jack

1:38:46

Riley asks, if we were to do a top

1:38:48

gear style road trip adventure film, where

1:38:51

would each of our dream destinations be

1:38:53

and what would we drive? Ooh.

1:39:01

Uh, hmm.

1:39:05

I mean, the trips they've done in Africa,

1:39:08

in numerous countries, like I've never been

1:39:10

there, that would be, I think,

1:39:13

a great,

1:39:15

unfamiliar place for me to go to, because I've done

1:39:17

a lot of driving in Europe and it all basically

1:39:19

feels, it's, you know, they're all,

1:39:22

the countries are similar, just different languages. Yeah.

1:39:25

But I think doing something like their Botswana

1:39:27

trip or any of the things they've done down there where

1:39:29

you just see a completely different landscape, totally different cultures, different

1:39:33

challenges, like

1:39:34

something like that. And what car I would

1:39:36

bring would depend on what the goal of

1:39:38

the road trip is, but

1:39:41

yeah, I have no idea. Like, do you want to make

1:39:43

the trip easy or hard? That's the question that they

1:39:45

always make for themselves. You know, do you want to bring a

1:39:47

Ferrari and lift it or do you want to just bring a Land

1:39:50

Cruiser?

1:39:51

Yeah, I think I'd like to do something

1:39:54

African in

1:39:56

a diesel Mercedes, you

1:39:58

know, like a 300. a 300D because

1:40:02

that's where those cars ended up. They

1:40:05

were sold new to fairly

1:40:08

well off people in Germany

1:40:11

and France and Western Europe.

1:40:14

Then they became taxicabs in those countries.

1:40:17

And then they became taxicabs in the

1:40:19

Balkans. And then they became taxicabs

1:40:23

in sub-Saharan Africa. And

1:40:25

so I think I'd like to drive something like

1:40:27

that.

1:40:28

I mean, I could do the lifted Crown Vic thing again, but

1:40:30

it might be nice to branch out to someplace. Yeah,

1:40:32

it's been done.

1:40:34

One or two more. We

1:40:37

have... Ah, yeah, we have four more. If such

1:40:39

a thing... Okay, we'll do four more. What

1:40:43

do we think would make for a better off-road daily

1:40:45

around town? A ZJ Grand Cherokee or a 90s

1:40:47

4Runner? ZJs can be

1:40:49

found for about half the price.

1:40:51

Which one is ZJ? I'm looking

1:40:53

that up.

1:40:56

Oh, this... Have you been

1:40:59

in Musto's white Jeep? Oh, yeah.

1:41:01

The 90s, 93, 95. Yeah, yeah. The

1:41:03

rounded one. The rounded one. Yeah, yeah. That

1:41:07

car drives so much

1:41:09

better than any 4Runner I've been in, including

1:41:12

new 4Runners. It rides quieter, it drives great.

1:41:15

Yeah, those things are hidden gems.

1:41:18

And they're also really good off-road and pretty

1:41:20

stout if the transmission's been repaired.

1:41:23

The materials on the interior

1:41:25

aren't great, but otherwise, especially if you get one

1:41:27

with cloth, it'll be all right. Yeah,

1:41:30

those drive all right on the road. Yeah, they're cool.

1:41:32

Let's see. AJ

1:41:34

adopted his first cat in December.

1:41:37

Oh, congratulations.

1:41:39

Things are great, but the last couple of months, she's gotten

1:41:41

to eating stuff around the house. She ate six

1:41:44

shirts, four pairs of shorts, a blanket, and other

1:41:46

fabric. She's nine months old. Vette

1:41:48

says it's normal and will last six more months. Do

1:41:50

you have any experience with this? And if so, any tips

1:41:52

to stop her eating things at the house? She has plenty

1:41:55

of toys. That's pretty

1:41:57

funny.

1:41:59

Well... That's weird.

1:42:01

They have some sprays that you can

1:42:03

spray on stuff. I wouldn't spray it on

1:42:05

your clothes, but

1:42:07

this never really happened with any

1:42:09

of my cats. I never had cats that chewed

1:42:12

on stuff. I've had cats that scratch things,

1:42:14

like scratch furniture. They

1:42:17

would use furniture

1:42:18

as a scratching pad. My

1:42:22

solution for that was to get a lot

1:42:24

more scratching posts. My house

1:42:26

has

1:42:28

multiple scratching posts in every single

1:42:30

room of the house. It's

1:42:33

still not a perfect system, but

1:42:35

that did help. I don't know about chewing on

1:42:38

stuff. There's definitely coatings

1:42:41

you can put on furniture and

1:42:44

cords and things like that that taste

1:42:47

really gross that might train them to not... to

1:42:51

stop eating things that aren't food. I

1:42:55

don't really have a solution to that one. I would ask

1:42:57

Jackson Galaxy. Jackson Galaxy

1:43:01

probably has an FAQ

1:43:03

somewhere about your cats chewing on

1:43:05

and eating stuff that isn't food.

1:43:08

But I've never seen that one. I hope your cats

1:43:10

happy though.

1:43:45

Well, I'll do the second part

1:43:47

first. As time moves

1:43:50

on, Polestar will look less

1:43:52

and less like Volvo.

1:43:54

The first Polestar cars were

1:43:56

clearly Volvo-based cars, but

1:43:59

we saw... a couple of the concepts

1:44:01

for the new cars at Goodwood, they're

1:44:05

their own cars, they're not Volvo's

1:44:07

anymore. They might share some switch

1:44:09

gear and shit with Volvo, but it's

1:44:11

gonna be a separate brand.

1:44:13

I mean, that's sort

1:44:15

of like saying, you know, GM

1:44:17

has Cadillac, why would they have GMC? But

1:44:21

they still do.

1:44:24

I mean, will Volvo lose some of its Volvo-ness

1:44:27

without wagons? Sure, but

1:44:29

like, were you

1:44:31

buying every wagon they make? If

1:44:36

people were buying Volvo wagons

1:44:38

off the fucking hook,

1:44:40

that

1:44:42

wouldn't be a thing. We

1:44:45

saw a lot of wagons in England.

1:44:47

I was shocked when we looked at, you know,

1:44:49

the parking lot in our hotel was fairly full. And

1:44:52

also at the Lotus

1:44:54

factory,

1:44:55

majority of five-door things,

1:44:57

like by, it seemed like 80% of them

1:45:00

were wagons,

1:45:02

not crossovers. But it seems like

1:45:05

outside of those communities, maybe there are a lot more

1:45:07

crossover selling. But, you know, look, we're

1:45:09

watching the evolution of the

1:45:11

car industry in real time, as anyone

1:45:13

has before us, and things are

1:45:15

just going to change, and that's how

1:45:17

it is. So like how we identify

1:45:20

one car company, it may lose

1:45:22

that particular identity in

1:45:24

our eyes, but their business is to sell

1:45:26

cars.

1:45:28

I mean, that's what it's always been. It's

1:45:30

just for a while, wagons sold. And

1:45:33

last one, Flannel Bob. I like

1:45:35

a wagon, but like, and we had a Volvo

1:45:37

wagon. Like Hannah loved her Volvo V70

1:45:40

R-Design wagon.

1:45:42

And like, we're seriously looking at

1:45:44

another Volvo

1:45:45

to replace our Mach-E, but

1:45:47

we're not looking at a wagon. We're looking

1:45:50

at a crossover. An XC60.

1:45:54

XC60? No, is it? Is it?

1:45:57

Yeah, that's the one you like. What is it? XC60. pre-charge,

1:46:00

yeah. And like, we're

1:46:03

probably looking at that car for the same reason

1:46:05

a

1:46:06

lot of other people are,

1:46:08

which is if they live in certain areas, like

1:46:10

the air suspension and the ride

1:46:13

quality is better than the Volvo, than

1:46:15

the wagon was.

1:46:18

I like the load height with

1:46:20

the tailgate better. I like the height of

1:46:22

getting in and out of it better. I don't have to

1:46:24

get as low.

1:46:25

And the handling

1:46:28

is still more than

1:46:30

sufficient for the needs

1:46:33

of us who really drive around urban

1:46:36

areas and on freeways and

1:46:38

the incremental improvement in dynamics

1:46:40

doesn't

1:46:41

make a difference. Yeah.

1:46:44

Yeah. Flannel

1:46:46

Bob asks, how would we put into words

1:46:49

the difference between, quote, motoring

1:46:51

and driving? And

1:46:54

if you had a two car garage based

1:46:56

upon these differences, which cars would you

1:46:58

choose?

1:47:03

You want to go first? I

1:47:08

mean, motoring to me is a fun car

1:47:11

on a fun journey. Driving

1:47:14