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Alright folks on this episode of the smoking

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2:40

show. Zach and I have a little correction

2:43

to make regarding our Lotus Amira. We

2:45

went to the Long Beach Grand

2:47

Prix, the IndyCar race that happens

2:50

in our hometown. I talk about

2:52

a very special new watch. An

2:55

automaker is instituting social

2:57

credits for press car access and

3:00

I

3:01

went to Rancho Santa Fe's Cars

3:03

and Coffee and saw an Aptera.

3:05

All this and a bunch of

3:08

great questions from the Patreon on

3:10

today's cruise show. It's the Smoking

3:12

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3:12

Podcast.

3:13

Hello Smoking Tire Podcast

3:16

week of April 17th, 2023. Dear

3:20

of our Lord. It's a very intense week

3:22

for me because

3:23

I got anniversary Thursday,

3:26

wife's birthday Sunday. Now,

3:29

are you able to

3:31

lump the things together? Is

3:33

it less convenient? No, it's got to be two gifts.

3:36

Can't do the one gift.

3:38

I think you can match together

3:40

like Valentine's and birthday. I don't

3:43

know. I mean, look, as someone

3:45

who was born on December 1st,

3:48

it's not, you know, the Jews,

3:51

Hanukkah very frequently overlapped

3:54

her birthday and I would not want

3:56

to be a hypocrite and I would demand

3:59

separate.

3:59

separate but equal, as it were. Yeah.

4:02

Yeah, Hanukkah moves around like a witness protection.

4:05

It's like, this month. Yeah, separate but equal gifts

4:07

for Hanukkah and birthday. And

4:11

so I have to live by, you

4:13

know, reap what I sow and provide

4:16

the wife separate things

4:18

for the birthday and the anniversary.

4:21

Although the anniversary is not a

4:23

gift so much. We're going to Catalina, which

4:26

I haven't been in 10 years. She's never been.

4:29

For those of you

4:29

who know what Catalina is, and I'm

4:32

not talking about the movie Step Brothers, because

4:34

the Catalina wine mixer was

4:37

filmed in Palos Verdes. It's definitely not

4:39

filmed. There's nowhere on Catalina

4:42

that looks like the Catalina wine mixer from

4:44

Step Brothers, unfortunately. They

4:47

could have fucking filmed it on Catalina. I

4:49

do not remember that movie at all.

4:51

You don't remember like the climax of the

4:53

movie? I was smoking a lot of marijuana

4:56

at the time. Well, you can't watch Step Brothers

4:58

sober. Yeah, but I couldn't wait for it either.

5:01

Catalina Island, for those of you who don't know, is

5:04

an island

5:05

about 25 miles from Los

5:07

Angeles. And it is

5:10

mostly uninhabited, but there is a little

5:12

town there called Avalon. And there's

5:14

another even littler town called Two Harbors.

5:17

And Avalon

5:18

is on the southeast corner. And

5:21

it's set up sort of like a

5:24

Italian Riviera town. But

5:27

like it's kind of,

5:28

the word shanty

5:31

isn't quite accurate. It's not

5:33

shanty. It's charming, it's cute.

5:36

And it's like a little seaside

5:39

town in this kind of cove.

5:41

And people go there by boat. And there's a little ferry

5:43

that goes in. There's not no cars. There's

5:46

only a couple of cars. Are they all electric or?

5:49

No, but I think you need a commercial

5:52

purpose for a car. Like if

5:54

you're a business owner that needs, if you're

5:57

a contractor or something, you're allowed to.

5:59

a truck, but residents

6:02

drive golf carts. There's some,

6:04

there's like Airbnb's and there's some you

6:07

know hotels and there's some restaurants

6:09

and whatever. There's some hiking, there's some this

6:11

and that, some sea activities.

6:14

So we're going to Catalina. Cool.

6:17

And they've clearly tried to do

6:19

an Italian Riviera

6:21

thing like Positano. They

6:24

didn't quite get there, but it's still,

6:26

it's a solid one or two nighter.

6:29

There's probably not enough to do there for

6:31

three or four nights unless like

6:33

really sitting on a beach and doing nothing is

6:36

your thing,

6:36

which you don't, you don't need to go to Catalina to do that.

6:40

But yeah, it's cute. So that's

6:42

the anniversary thing. We're

6:44

staying at what is apparently the nicest

6:47

hotel on the island, which is, there

6:50

aren't any like amazing hotels, but I'm

6:52

not going to say which one we're staying at, but it's not in

6:55

the town. It's slightly, slightly

6:58

outside of the town, overlooking. There's

7:00

buffalo running around, right? That's like one of the weird

7:02

stories. Yeah. So they

7:04

used to shoot some movies there back

7:07

in the day. And for one of the movies, they brought

7:09

fucking buffaloes over there and

7:12

then they left them and then they bred

7:15

and now there's fucking buffalo

7:17

there. They're like, yeah, it's just, it's going to take a

7:19

lot of work to catch them

7:20

all. So forget it. We'll just leave them there. There's

7:22

grass. Yeah. I don't think they're like,

7:24

I don't think they're totally wild, but

7:26

I think they're kind of wild. That's funny.

7:28

I would, I hope to see one.

7:30

Catch one. I don't know.

7:32

Bring it home. But it's, if you have a boat, it's

7:34

like 25 miles from LA. So if you have a

7:36

boat, it's

7:37

probably like, you know, a five

7:40

or six hour sail from

7:43

LA. But like I

7:45

have some, I have friends who have boats that

7:47

can go 30 or 40 miles an hour. And

7:49

it's like, you go there for lunch pretty much.

7:51

It's like a good destination for

7:53

a day trip if you've got a boat. It's a motor boat place

7:56

to go. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That,

7:58

when I drove that.

7:59

Billy Joel's ex Billy Joel yacht

8:02

that did like 75 miles an hour They

8:04

were like they're like yeah, we go to Catalina for

8:07

lunch like it's like nothing well Or you can fly there

8:09

like Tanner or yeah there's a little

8:11

airport and you can fly there and it's apparently

8:13

kind of a dope airport because it's like on top

8:15

of a

8:16

Zoom out. I thought it's no no it's out

8:19

zoom out It's

8:21

halfway between there you go. Yeah, it's

8:24

up on top of a mountain

8:26

And Apparently like you

8:28

know you quote land at

8:31

a thousand feet, okay? You know like the

8:33

it's it's pretty high up on the mountain It's one of those airports

8:35

you kind of drive off the cliff like James Bond

8:37

style. There's that restaurant

8:39

there

8:40

At the bottom that little white

8:42

building there. That's called something in the sky

8:44

we're zoom in cantina in the sky

8:47

or so airport in the sky restaurant and and

8:50

Tanner like to call that the most

8:53

expensive hamburger cuz you know you got to fly

8:55

you fly there Yeah, apparently a great burger from

8:57

what I gather

8:58

So yeah, if you've got a little prop plane,

9:01

and you need something to do for the day fly Oh,

9:03

it's like I mean. I think it's probably 15 minutes to fly

9:05

there. Yeah, all right. That'd be a fun trip

9:08

So we're taking the ferry like the fucking

9:11

peasants, but it's like an hour. It's an hour It's for

9:13

an hour and $40 so whatever thing

9:16

to do have a nice view and you're on a boat Yeah, I think that's

9:18

worse things when being on a boat for an hour for sure

9:22

Nice to have you back anyway. I don't know why we spent

9:24

so much time talking about Catalina there But Zach

9:26

and I went to the Indy car race this weekend

9:30

Long Beach Grand Prix I also on Friday

9:32

Saturday excuse me went to the Rancho Santa Fe

9:34

cars and coffee Which is most of the way down to San Diego?

9:37

I went to a grand sake Oh dinner talking

9:40

about their new products and got

9:42

some very cool news About

9:45

Grand Seiko, but first wanted

9:47

to update you guys that was not a grand Seiko

9:49

that was an autodrome. Oh There

9:54

there is an error in the Lotus video

9:57

it is definitely not our fault

10:00

100% but

10:03

When discussing the suspension

10:06

in the Lotus I say that there is two

10:08

suspensions the sport and touring

10:11

and The only difference

10:13

is the tires and the alignment

10:16

that is not correct The spring

10:18

rates are slightly different and

10:20

the shock valving is slightly different

10:23

There's about a 5% difference in spring

10:25

rate and the shocks are tuned

10:27

sportier as well. They're both The

10:30

same hardware just adjusted

10:32

slightly differently The reason I was wrong

10:35

is because I asked the Lotus PR

10:37

person Directly what

10:40

the difference is and they told

10:42

me exactly What I

10:44

said They then once they

10:47

saw the video said oh,

10:49

that's wrong Can you change it

10:51

and I sent them a screenshot

10:54

of the text message in which they told

10:56

me the wrong thing?

10:57

So I'm sorry. I don't want to get facts

10:59

wrong in a video. I want to get facts right in a video That's

11:02

why I asked Why

11:04

we checked and there were quite

11:06

a few angry commenters that said Harry

11:09

Metcalf in his video Said

11:12

it right well Harry went on the goddamn

11:14

launch Harry went to the factory and

11:16

before we review cars We

11:19

don't watch other journalists reviews

11:21

of the car. Yeah, I

11:22

Like it's very

11:25

risky because it can skew our opinion Yeah It

11:27

plants things in your brain as to how it how

11:29

you know This Harry may think it feels a certain

11:31

way and then we might drive it and go

11:34

I guess he's right or we go It

11:36

can impact your opinion. It absolutely

11:38

does. It's it's a I like Harry

11:40

Metcalf. I like his content He's

11:43

entertaining when he does his crazy road trip

11:45

shit, or he goes and hangs out with Ian Tiro I

11:47

watch that stuff, but I don't watch his

11:49

reviews of cars nor do I watch

11:52

anyone else's

11:52

reviews of cars unless it's

11:55

a car I have no chance of driving But

11:58

I can I'm glad you guys

11:59

Watch it and I understand if someone

12:02

else got it right and we got it wrong, but it's not

12:04

because we didn't do our homework We were literally

12:07

told the wrong thing by someone who should

12:09

have known better Throwing you under the bus

12:11

there if

12:12

you're listening, but you play and deserve

12:14

it, but you deserve it I'm

12:17

not dropping your name, but you you fucked

12:19

up homie and you made us fuck up, too

12:22

Then asked us to change the video Nah,

12:25

put a comment. We put we pinned a comment I

12:28

said where else did I say it? I tweeted

12:30

it that it was a tweeted a correction We

12:32

pinned a comment and I said it on Instagram

12:35

somewhere. It's in the description It's in the comment, and

12:37

I think that's that's the best

12:39

a creator can do once the video is up You

12:41

know yeah, otherwise you can't re-upload with YouTube

12:43

it gets rid of all these different things it messes things up Yeah,

12:46

changing the video taking the video down changing

12:48

it and re-uploading it is that's

12:50

not an option Mm-hmm is we

12:53

you you effectively would forego

12:57

A ton of money a ton of money

13:00

by doing that we also lose this momentum You know

13:02

of engagement and whatnot anyone

13:04

kind enough to share that video while

13:06

it was up that link would then be dead True create

13:09

ruining the sharing effect and

13:11

all of our Instagram posts those links would be dead. Yeah Yeah,

13:14

it's just it's the best we

13:16

can do is issue a correction the way that we did it the

13:18

way that we're doing it now We're sorry

13:21

You know it is what it is And

13:25

I went to the rancho Santa Fe cars and coffee which

13:27

was very very good event really enjoyed

13:29

it not Formally

13:31

organized, but it's on the streets.

13:34

I did I did do an Instagram post I didn't take

13:36

very many pictures while I was down there There's

13:39

my car. I oh the only I was

13:42

a couple pictures that weren't but I liked that it was

13:46

Not a parking lot.

13:47

It was like all right people were parallel

13:49

parking throughout the town square.

13:52

Oh wow Kind of all over the

13:54

place, so it gave a nice interesting

13:57

Look at that photo go back my

13:59

drive

13:59

I love the Los

14:02

Angeles highway system at 530 in the

14:04

morning that there is not a single

14:06

car in that photo. It's true It's very rare. I'm driving

14:08

south. I'm cruising. I've

14:11

got my coffee. I've got the top

14:13

down It's a nice day. I

14:15

think it was I think it was a

14:17

high 50s low 60s Maybe

14:19

heat seat heater on you can see

14:22

in my center console. The heat is cranked

14:25

both both gauges are all the way

14:27

up. I'm having a coffee and Not

14:30

a single car in sight. I'm

14:33

not even doing like 90. You can see the things at 78 like

14:35

I'm just enjoying that

14:38

and

14:39

That McLaren 765 LT.

14:42

That's the best color I've ever seen one of those in it's

14:44

like a mint green It's parked in high

14:46

downforce mode. Yeah, and and I'm happy

14:48

that it was

14:50

It's important to have downforce while you're parked

14:52

So the way you never know if a windstorm comes

14:54

in you want to make sure your car stays on the ground doesn't blow away

14:56

You know a tornado hits but that

14:58

spec in that car almost perfect

15:01

The only place where it wasn't perfect is

15:04

on the top side of that wing which I did not

15:06

photograph and intentionally hid behind

15:08

it

15:09

It says MSO for

15:12

McLaren special operations in Ghosted

15:16

carbon meaning the top of the wing is painted

15:18

except for a bare carbon MSO

15:20

that was like three feet across. Oh,

15:22

okay,

15:23

and it's like The equivalent

15:25

would be if you had a Porsche

15:29

turbo wing with some exclusive

15:31

options and on it and it said Exclusive.

15:34

Yeah, it was the mega

15:37

ist douchey thing But but

15:39

so but I made sure to not show it in that photo

15:41

because the metallic mint green was Fucking

15:45

spectacular and there was an apera

15:47

in the wild first apera I've

15:50

ever talked about this strange three-wheeled electric

15:52

vehicle for years now. Yeah,

15:54

I

15:55

never thought I would actually see one

15:57

being driven somewhere fair It's on an M

15:59

plate. Okay Of course, and you'll notice

16:01

that the plate is a motorcycle plate

16:04

because vehicles with less than four wheels are motorcycles

16:07

I

16:08

Didn't spend too much time looking

16:11

around it it looked Cheap

16:15

now still pretty I'm guessing a pre-production

16:18

prototype of some kind Sub

16:23

the interior resembled a

16:26

model 3 Kind

16:29

of aesthetic the sort of minimalist Center

16:33

screen, you know not a whole

16:35

lot going on there

16:38

the seats were

16:40

It's all pretty minimalist

16:43

frankly And then the the roof

16:45

and the top of the nose have

16:48

solar panels because one of the things they Advertise

16:51

is that the car will charge itself sitting

16:53

in the Sun right like you park it very slowly Yes,

16:58

and if you look at it, I mean not hard to

17:00

understand why it is very aerodynamically efficient

17:03

Yeah, it's like a teardrop. It's a teardrop not

17:05

only is it a teardrop all of its sub elements

17:08

are also teardrops That's very true. It's a

17:10

teardrop. That's made

17:10

of teardrops basically on the bottom next

17:12

to the right there, right? But

17:15

it exists. How about that? Okay? I mean,

17:17

you know, will they actually get to the sales portion

17:20

of this? I'm not sure because this is a

17:22

car for people that don't know like it's been

17:25

Advertise, it's been about to come out for about a decade

17:28

years years and years and years and years and it's been

17:30

like the future of transportation for a long time

17:32

and they Seem to continue

17:34

to get investors like every couple years. They've

17:37

practically defined vaporware So

17:39

I mean, it's nice to see one out in the wild.

17:42

It is one and it was driven there I

17:44

mean, apparently

17:46

I saw it leave it. Okay. So it well it did

17:48

move under its own power I mean, I think you

17:50

know if the it's not hard to construct

17:52

an EV with electric motor and a battery What

17:54

seems to be difficult with this is the

17:57

solar charging ability from what we know about

17:59

solar panel density

17:59

and how much power they can put out, like

18:02

can you charge your vehicle in a reasonable

18:04

amount of time? Yeah, well remember I went to that thing downtown

18:07

where I saw that company that was out of Germany

18:09

that was building this sort of very basic

18:12

vehicle that was 25,000 bucks

18:15

and it was covered in solar panels.

18:17

Fucking nose to tail. And it looked

18:20

weird, it was not attractive, but

18:23

they had, you know, they were able to sort of curve

18:26

the panels around a little bit and

18:29

the panels

18:29

don't, they don't look very good.

18:32

Something about whatever the

18:34

coating is on them, it doesn't look uniform

18:38

and polished, they're a little kind of lumpy.

18:41

Oh, okay. It's like you can still see that they're individual

18:43

panels. Yeah, they're small, like, you know,

18:45

six by six or four by four

18:48

individual panels sort of like waffled

18:50

together. It's not like, it's

18:53

not a great looking piece.

18:55

I understand. And

18:58

I think the more you have to curve them, the

19:00

more

19:01

weird they look. If you

19:03

put them on a flat surface, it's like the

19:05

roof of a truck or the roof of an RV, it

19:08

looks fine, but when you bend them

19:10

around, they look a little weird. So, but,

19:12

and you need a lot of them, like this

19:14

vehicle, I forget what it's called, they

19:17

ultimately announced they were not gonna build

19:19

it.

19:20

I'm blanking on what it is right

19:22

now. Someone's screaming at something, but.

19:27

But the technology is interesting, and they

19:29

said if you left it parked outside

19:32

somewhere like Phoenix or Southern California,

19:35

it could add

19:37

something like 100 miles a week of EV power.

19:42

It's not a ton, but it's something.

19:45

Is this the light year? No. Okay,

19:47

that's a different one, trying to do this something similar? Yeah,

19:49

I don't know. Okay. But the Aptera has

19:51

about a

19:52

quarter of the surface

19:55

covered in panels that this other

19:57

car did. Yeah. This other car had

19:59

a long flat roof. roof, a traditional hood,

20:02

and the side doors were also covered

20:04

in panels. Whereas this just has that

20:06

small little roof segment and the small

20:09

little nose segment. It's not a lot of panels. Yeah,

20:11

their goal is to have a car that can go 400 miles

20:14

on a single charge, 0-64 seconds top

20:17

speed of 100 miles per hour.

20:20

But if you want to charge it outside in the

20:22

sun, if you were in a place with high

20:24

sun exposure like SoCal,

20:26

it could charge 20,

20:30

oh wait, sorry, that's their

20:34

estimated range for the day is 29 miles. I

20:37

don't know, it depends on a lot of things. Yeah, I don't

20:40

know. It was nice to see that it exists. But

20:43

to go back to the corrections, someone at

20:46

this Cars and Coffee came up to me and

20:49

were like, you know, I like your show, but

20:51

you really need to do more homework. And

20:54

I was like, well, you know, I'm

20:56

not always perfect. And

20:59

a lot of times I'm trying to regurgitate facts

21:01

while driving pretty quickly. But

21:04

what do you mean? And they took issue with

21:06

our Cayman T review, which

21:09

apparently I didn't make

21:11

a big enough distinction between

21:13

the T and the S, or I made some

21:16

kind of incorrect distinction about

21:18

what you get with the S motor versus

21:21

the T motor.

21:21

The

21:24

biggest thing is variable geometry turbocharger

21:27

and also the displacement. I mean, the S is a 2.5 and the base motor

21:29

is a 2.0. So

21:33

those two things combined is like a massive difference

21:35

in power. And

21:37

I was like, okay, you know, I hear you. And he

21:39

goes, you know, I should have known that

21:42

this guy

21:43

ultimately was going to say that he owns

21:46

this car. And he know, of course,

21:48

he knows everything about it because he owns it. And I was

21:50

like, well, you know, the point of the video

21:52

really ultimately is should you or should you not

21:54

buy the car? And ultimately I came

21:57

to the conclusion that you should definitely not buy the car

21:59

and to just get an S.

21:59

He's like, well, I have one and I was

22:02

like, okay, as long as you're happy

22:04

man, you know, whatever and he was

22:06

like You know a lot of people quote

22:08

you on this kind of stuff and he's not

22:10

they're not wrong You know and and and

22:13

you know, and if they quote you and something is wrong

22:15

like, you know, it's bad for everybody I go you're right.

22:18

That's true I don't ever intentionally

22:21

try to like not do homework or not

22:23

fuck things up as it but there's a lot of a lot

22:25

of cars out There and I'm trying to regurgitate stuff

22:28

and and I'm not defending being wrong if

22:30

I'm wrong, then I'm wrong, but

22:31

You know, there's a human

22:34

on the other side of this. It's and There's

22:37

no there's not a fact-checking team I'm not

22:39

sitting down and writing this and going

22:42

back and checking it again Like you

22:44

get one shot at doing the video kind of and

22:46

so, you know, I think ultimately

22:49

what really matters is

22:51

Guy who's driven everything should you buy this thing

22:53

or not? Is it special or not? Is it this

22:55

and and I was like and the s is like a much

22:57

much better car. He's like well I bought

22:59

the tea and go of course that's why you know

23:02

everything about it and you're upset that I wasn't

23:04

exactly right Yeah, it's hard I mean there's

23:07

we're juggling a lot of information and sometimes we read

23:09

the wrong thing Or the people

23:11

that were very very annoyed

23:13

about the Lotus were like people

23:16

with usernames like Lotus Amira owner

23:18

425, you know

23:21

I mean in essence we literally

23:23

got the wrong information We try to do our homework

23:25

and that does not happen often it but we

23:28

we have two examples where the PR people this

23:30

and Audi have incorrect with

23:32

their facts and we

23:34

Believe the PR people because it's literally

23:37

their job to get all the facts and give them to

23:39

us like that is their job and

23:42

You know, we're not gonna get a press release

23:44

and then go. All right, I'm gonna email your engineer just a fact-check

23:47

your information Yeah, kind of asshole would do that

23:49

Jason Fenske

23:50

He I think he probably goes directly to

23:52

the engine. He has he has

23:55

a long history of finding incorrect

23:57

stuff in Impress really

23:59

I did not know that, okay. Yeah,

24:02

he does. So now he goes to the engineer. Yeah,

24:04

he does. This is I think

24:06

the second time we've had PR give

24:09

us the wrong information. Yeah. Speaking

24:12

of PR, there's

24:15

a car brand,

24:16

and I'm not gonna say what it is, when

24:19

you'll find out why, whose PR team

24:22

is installing a social credits

24:25

system. Literally wanted

24:29

us to sign up for a tracking software

24:34

that links to our

24:36

social media, and

24:38

tracks when we

24:41

post about their brand using

24:43

their hashtags, and

24:46

what the analytics are of those

24:48

posts. And that information

24:50

will be used to determine

24:53

worthiness in getting press

24:55

cars. So the people with

24:57

the most posts and the most

25:00

reach will get the

25:02

most access to the cars, which

25:05

I didn't love. I

25:07

know some OEMs do that, but they do it on the backend.

25:10

Like

25:10

I think it's weird to ask you to do the legwork. I

25:13

mean, the same way we do. There's not much

25:15

legwork. They really just was make a basic

25:17

account with this thing and connect your social media.

25:19

Yeah. I'd prefer that

25:22

we just make the content we make and not worry

25:24

about gaming the engagement side,

25:27

because I know a large OEM that uses

25:29

whatever software they use and they analyze the value

25:32

of journalists,

25:34

like how much engagement

25:36

they get and all that stuff. And I understand

25:39

why they do that, because they spend money to

25:41

bring us to places or to give us cars

25:43

or whatever. But I think it's weird when they say,

25:46

you opt in, you use these hashtags, because

25:48

now we're conscious of that gamesmanship.

25:51

Yeah. And it's published lots of things. And it incentivizes

25:55

behavior that isn't

25:57

necessarily that

26:01

isn't necessarily like critical

26:04

of the company, that it clearly

26:06

marks a shift from journalism to

26:13

influencers. Because

26:15

the more like an influencer

26:17

you are, the more likely you are to get

26:20

into that system and use those

26:22

hashtags and post more

26:24

content from a press

26:27

event or anything. Yeah, that's

26:30

weird. It made me feel dirty.

26:33

Yeah, I get it. I mean, most press launches we go

26:35

on, they say, and by the way, please use this

26:37

hashtag when you post about this thing. Like every

26:39

OM does this across the board because

26:42

they want to keep track of the assets coming out of that

26:45

specific launch and not get it muddled with

26:48

general 9-11 content. So I kind of

26:50

understand that, but this seems a little different of like, you're

26:53

adding an app and adding an account and all these other things.

26:56

Yeah, and it just, it was, it's

26:58

more,

27:00

it's more on

27:02

the nose than I've seen before

27:05

in terms of like, they straight

27:07

up, they said it in a friendly way.

27:10

They're like, in order to get you more

27:12

access to our cars and more access

27:15

to our events,

27:17

by using these hashtags

27:19

and these posts, we will be able to

27:21

better track it. And it

27:24

wasn't

27:24

run, the setup

27:27

wasn't done through the OEM.

27:29

It was done through the press fleet company.

27:32

Oh, interesting. Yeah. Okay, it wasn't up.

27:34

Which, clearly

27:37

on behalf of the OEM, but like, because

27:40

the tags, the hashtags suggested

27:42

were from a specific auto maker. It wasn't hashtag page

27:44

one. Yeah, no. Yeah,

27:47

please tag your local fleet management company.

27:49

But it was just, it

27:51

just really rubbed me the wrong way.

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30:02

it's funny that you said that was the perfect car Yeah,

30:04

not only have they discontinued it for not

30:06

not selling it turns out to be highly

30:09

imperfect I mean it doesn't exist

30:11

and I didn't know which is kind of embarrassing but also

30:13

it didn't deliver the dream Yeah,

30:15

which was kind of funny that is

30:18

trying to find Corolla, but Challenge

30:21

I thought there was a Corolla hybrid. They're rolling out

30:23

a bunch of models of hybrid Yes, yeah, but

30:25

I can't find the word range in any of their press release.

30:28

Okay press releases, which is all right Don't worry

30:30

about it

30:32

The The

30:35

the grand Seiko dinner I went to they have

30:37

these they have these events like once a year usually

30:40

after watches and wonders I took no photos that

30:42

got but Where they

30:44

they bring out their newest shit and they talk about their newest

30:47

cool technology and that's all Excellent

30:49

and they have some grand Seiko does some amazing

30:51

stuff like so quietly It's like one

30:54

of those companies where if you just saw

30:56

a grand Seiko, you'd be like, oh, that's that's very pretty

30:58

But then if you heard them talk about how they

31:00

got to that finished product, you're like,

31:02

okay Why isn't there a hundred

31:04

documentaries about you guys because you're

31:06

out of your fucking mind but

31:09

the coolest thing is is

31:12

actually that there is going to be

31:14

a extremely

31:16

limited edition watch

31:19

in honor of Carl there

31:21

will be a Ruizing grand Seiko

31:24

it will be No, I don't

31:26

it's I don't think there's no public announcement yet.

31:29

Got it. There's gonna be 30 of them.

31:31

Wow

31:32

I have

31:35

I'm getting number seven. I've already

31:37

I've already gotten

31:39

gotten in the game and It's

31:42

gonna be a diver it's going to

31:44

be a JDM model

31:47

that is not normally available in America.

31:50

It is going to have actually a quartz

31:52

movement It's going to be the grand Seiko

31:55

GS 9 quartz movement, which is one

31:57

of the most accurate movements

31:59

ever put into a watch and it's actually

32:02

a very highly decorated

32:04

and rather fancy quartz movement

32:06

at that. And it's going

32:08

to have a blue dial and it's going to look cool

32:10

as fuck and it's going to have a tribute to Carl

32:13

on the back of it and it's

32:15

made by the factory. So it's actually extremely

32:18

cool. It's amazing that such a big company

32:20

is celebrating this individual. Yeah. It's

32:23

really cool. Yeah. I

32:26

don't know what his actual

32:28

title is but his name is Joe Kirk

32:30

and he is like

32:32

the head

32:33

of branding

32:35

or like brand enthusiasm or something

32:38

in America. He's pretty high up and

32:40

he does all the events and Carl

32:43

when I first got into Grand Seiko and

32:50

really into watches and Carl taught me about Seiko

32:52

and Grand Seiko, he goes, when you go to Miami,

32:55

you got to go to the Seiko boutique and see

32:57

my man Joe and it was this guy who was working

33:00

in the Seiko boutique

33:02

and now he's

33:03

like in charge of shit. Was

33:05

Carl like an evangelist for Seiko

33:07

before a lot of other people? Yeah, he loved Seiko.

33:10

Yeah. And he got me. He

33:12

got you into it? Yeah. Because

33:14

Seiko is like, it's affordable and it's super

33:16

durable but they also make

33:19

all their own movements and components

33:21

in house. They don't buy movements

33:24

from other places and they're very

33:26

true to their own identity without

33:28

being like super snobby about it

33:31

and there's a lot of other companies

33:33

that are built on sort of an image

33:35

and they design the case and the

33:37

dial but they buy their movement from

33:39

someone else and they buy their strap from

33:41

this person and Seiko just makes

33:44

all their own shit. And then on top

33:46

of that, there's this whole aftermarket community. I

33:48

mean, a Seiko diver is like the

33:50

Mustang or Camaro of

33:52

watches where you can change almost anything

33:55

about it and come up with something like very

33:58

unique and custom and I went to this

33:59

Grand Seiko event wearing my Tahitian

34:04

black pearl dial thing and

34:06

there's there were literally people there who were wearing watches

34:08

there were $200,000 and like where did you

34:11

get this this thing? You know the Seiko

34:13

people are not Not like

34:16

you know, protect people or whatever and

34:18

Grand Seiko They're

34:20

just fucking nuts I mean they the stuff

34:22

they make is wild and and

34:25

it's wild in a way that Doesn't

34:27

make sense until people explain

34:29

it to you It's what Karl would call

34:31

a lecturer's watch and he said,

34:34

you know if because you have to explain why it's $10,000 And

34:37

says Seiko on it, right? and

34:39

like he would Carl

34:41

would say that When like

34:44

if you went to Patek or AP and

34:46

they messed up a watch You know if

34:48

you go to Rolex and they mess up a watch in the construction

34:51

They take off the broken part and put on

34:53

a new part and then they send it down the line and

34:55

goes out and you Never know but it's that's

34:58

what they do at Patek if they

35:00

mess up a part They take it all apart and

35:02

they start all over and put it back together Whoa

35:05

at Grand Seiko if they mess up a part they

35:07

kill themselves for the katana That

35:12

was what Carl always said about grit they're like they're

35:14

like you can't fuck up or you have to commit

35:16

suicide And

35:18

so yeah, he was

35:20

he taught me about that so there'll be a

35:22

special Karl Ruiz watch That's awesome.

35:25

Good and good for good for Carl and good for you.

35:27

Mm-hmm and

35:28

Shout out

35:30

to all of those involved in the Carl watch with

35:33

Joe and got chef Guy Fieri

35:35

and Gloria who was Carl's assistant

35:38

when he was alive Did

35:41

you see this but today?

35:44

MG cyber steer

35:46

cyber stir Cyberster

35:48

so the name Evie beats

35:51

Tesla Roadster to punch with Shanghai

35:53

debut That's funny,

35:56

right? It's hilarious that it's called

35:58

cyber stir. Yeah

35:59

It was, it feels like it was named in one

36:02

of those. Cyberster. Like just word generator

36:04

for like a barbershop things, you know, it's like oil

36:06

and iron or something like that. This is just. Oil

36:09

and iron. Someone on Twitter said it sounds like a VPN

36:11

company. Yeah. That's great. It

36:13

does. I can't beat that one. Yeah, but why, when did

36:16

the word cyber become cool again?

36:18

That word was cool in like the 90s. With

36:20

hack, hacker or whatever it was. Yeah, and

36:22

then it, and then once it became cyber

36:25

sex, then it was like, let's not

36:27

use this word anymore. True. And

36:29

then,

36:29

and now it's like, why aren't we trying

36:32

to make that word cool again? I think with the return of VR

36:34

interests, like every seven years

36:37

they say now VR is ready. But here's

36:39

the problem with this car. The reason I brought it up is because the

36:41

weight is 4,400 pounds. Sure.

36:44

Two seat convertible. Well, it's, but it's

36:47

got batteries and motors. This is

36:49

how this is going to go. Exactly. That's what

36:51

people were surprised with. Like, well, we get this question a lot. Like,

36:53

what's the future of EV sports cars? And

36:55

I think for now, until they figure

36:58

out the battery tech and they can lighten things

37:00

up a bit, 4,400 pound,

37:02

two seat Roadster. Heavy as fuck.

37:04

That is crazy. Even that new, you know, Porsche's

37:07

going to have the EV Boxster coming out.

37:09

I bet you it's over 4,000 pounds. That,

37:12

that'll be the benchmark. Yeah. That'll

37:14

kind of tell us what it's, what things are going to be for the next 20 years.

37:16

I mean, don't get me wrong. Like if you, if you

37:18

built me a short wheelbase Taycan

37:21

with the roof cut off, which is, I

37:23

think what this is,

37:25

that would be fun in its own way.

37:28

But it's not what I ultimately want from

37:30

a sports car. I wouldn't seek that out.

37:32

I think the thing we've gotten lately from

37:34

sports cars, especially sedans and big

37:37

coops is yes, it's heavy, but they

37:39

put a lot of tire in it, a lot of spring. And

37:41

it's, the cars are surprisingly agile

37:44

for their weight. And that's what this will probably, probably

37:46

be the same, but it will not have that

37:49

same feeling of agility that like the, the

37:51

Amira has, the Spyder has. Yeah.

37:54

We're going to lose that. Yeah, no, that

37:55

everyone should buy analog sports cars

37:57

while you still can. Yeah, 4,400 pounds. You

38:00

know, especially from MG. It's just a sign

38:03

of the time. It's like it's not a Did you know MG was

38:05

still building cars? No But

38:08

I figured but everything returns, you know, everything

38:10

returns from the earth It's

38:12

or that it's like in China like MG is

38:14

in China. Let's see what got bought by

38:17

Yeah, I wouldn't be it's got to be owned by

38:20

yeah Do

38:22

they buy up MG?

38:26

Mg cars is now owned by MG motor

38:29

UK, which is owned by SAIC

38:31

motor, which is based in China Uh-huh. So

38:33

there we go. Yeah, I mean I I

38:35

kind of I'm half joking when I went to Scotland last

38:38

year I did see some modern MG's

38:40

like I knew they were building something but

38:44

Yeah Let's see cyber

38:46

stir dude They've been a lot

38:48

of companies or cyber stir. Where do you put the accent?

38:50

Ooh, that's a good question

38:53

What does Britain do with the the vowel? So

38:56

I basically like garage and we say garage.

38:59

It's a hard on the Y cybers to

39:01

cyber stir. Yeah Yeah,

39:03

and like the the last five letters are

39:05

pretty much like one letter right? So

39:07

I'm sorry. Sorry. Yeah, I'm Sybster

39:12

to both say in the in the rule of Worcestershire.

39:14

It's it should just be

39:16

Simster sister Then

39:19

you should still this could very quickly

39:21

get racist be careful. Oh, no, I'm

39:23

going Clark's it. I'm not going Oh you went Clark's. Yeah,

39:25

your Clark's in right there was not much

39:28

different from

39:33

Impression of a

39:35

Chinese person from the 1980s what it

39:37

was just just right there when you said that one word just

39:40

that one word The MG cyber super

39:42

good one. So no that no,

39:44

I've done Clark's in twice and they both happened right

39:46

now It's gonna be some

39:48

stumbles. Yeah. Okay. Anyway,

39:51

that's not terrible looking Give me I mean

39:53

the the doors it doesn't it doesn't

39:55

need those res Vani doors You think

39:57

those will be in the production model?

39:59

Yeah, okay Okay. Because

40:02

it's a cheap bit of flash. That's

40:04

true. But I'll, so go to that side

40:06

profile. Side profile, I see

40:10

halfway between an ND Miata

40:12

and an F-Type.

40:13

Yep. I think there's a bit of Vantage in the

40:16

back. Well, Vantage there too, yeah. Vantage

40:18

F-Type, yeah. That's a good looking profile.

40:21

Yeah, it looks like you asked chat GPT

40:23

to make you convertible? Or

40:26

what's the visual one? Not chat

40:28

GPT? Oh, whatever. Dolly, what's

40:30

it called? Yeah, yeah, yeah, Dolly, yeah. It does look

40:33

like that. But, okay, it's not ugly. No,

40:35

it's not. No. The doors

40:39

though, I would not be shocked if they make

40:41

it to the production. The

40:43

wheels

40:43

do look like you bought the

40:46

kind of design where they would go on a cheap

40:49

truck. You know when people put those wheels

40:51

that are like the black with also the white

40:53

or chrome accents? It's the trashiest

40:56

fucking wheels. I hate those. It's a weird way

40:58

to make thick spokes try to look thin,

41:01

but I don't think it looks very good. Yeah.

41:04

Yeah, I'm with you. But like some rams could really

41:06

be a thing on this particular MG. I mean,

41:08

it's not a bad looking car. It's China only.

41:10

It's a Chinese vehicle. Market. It's

41:13

got a Chinese license plate on it, so.

41:16

I don't know. Go

41:18

up to the top? It will go on sale in the UK

41:20

and Europe. Oh, the UK and Europe? Oh,

41:22

okay. Along the MG's current SUV in

41:25

the summer of 2024. I have to

41:27

go to England and fucking drive home. Hey, that'd

41:29

be cool. We'd go to that launch.

41:31

Yeah. MG, hit us up,

41:33

baby. Let's do it. Right.

41:36

So we went to the Grand Prix, the

41:38

Long Beach Grand Prix. On

41:42

the way back, Zach and I were both

41:45

in agreement like,

41:46

why do we keep teaching ourselves that racing is

41:48

better on television? It's such a hard... Like,

41:52

it hurts my heart a bit to accept that.

41:56

And, you know, IndyCar was

41:58

very nice to invite us down there and give us passes. and

42:00

stuff and we hung out in the Acura booth too. Yeah, shout

42:02

out to the Acura folks for giving

42:05

us just a bit more access. We

42:08

had to pretend we owned Acura's. We

42:10

did. But my fiance owns a Honda Fit.

42:12

Someone even asked me, that guy sat

42:14

next to a thing? It was even like,

42:16

so,

42:17

you an owner? And I was like, I'd literally,

42:21

right quick, aren't we all broke? I

42:23

feel like I own the team, yeah. The

42:27

racing was good. There was like passing

42:29

and crashing and all kinds of stuff. What a hard course to

42:31

run. But,

42:33

you know, if you're sitting in the grandstands, you

42:35

see one turn. And you gotta

42:37

keep up with the announcer, which wasn't quite loud enough, I

42:39

would say. Not remotely. Yeah, it

42:41

was hard to hear what was going on. You end up watching

42:43

most of the race on TV, on

42:45

the big screen, even if just

42:48

with the sound effect of cars going

42:50

right by you on the front straight. Yes, 100% true.

42:53

And

42:54

it's nobody's fault. It's just

42:56

like, that's what going to a race at

43:00

a road course is. Yeah.

43:02

It's one of the less appreciated

43:05

things about the NASCAR at the Coliseum.

43:07

You can see the whole fucking track right there. Like,

43:10

I realize they're not going very fast by NASCAR

43:12

standards. And it's a little bit of

43:14

a nerdy thing to watch little

43:16

moves being made here and there with

43:19

that race. But like, you can at least see the whole thing.

43:21

Sorry, I mean, even at Daytona, which

43:24

is a huge oval, you can

43:26

see from any seat in the house half the track.

43:28

And Coliseum, you can see the entire

43:30

thing. So like, no problem. But road course is, you can

43:33

see, I don't know, like a 10th of it, 20th of it.

43:36

So that's the bummer. You are pulled

43:38

out of the action because so much was happening.

43:41

You know, we were watching on the screen. Crashes happened

43:43

everywhere, but on the front straight. I'm

43:45

not wishing for crashes. I'm just saying there were things happening

43:49

The number of crashes that resulted in no

43:51

injuries or even any real damage. Like

43:53

cars would hit the wall and they'd be able

43:56

to limp back to the pit and be

43:58

racing again. Yeah, get a new wheel.

43:59

a few times. Yeah. That's

44:02

a hard track. People were missing corners and blowing

44:04

off into the overrun areas all over the place.

44:07

There's probably five or six times as

44:09

much passing in this race as you'd

44:11

see in a Formula One race. Very true. Objectively,

44:14

a good race. Yeah. And

44:16

Long Beach is a good track, too. Yeah.

44:19

But I've driven it. It's really fun. But

44:22

it just doesn't help to be there.

44:24

Yeah. It's hard. It's

44:27

good to watch the racing, but attending,

44:30

you know, I don't know. It's not the best way to consume it. Dude, how many

44:32

steps did you do that day? Do you have your phone?

44:35

Like 6,000. So we look at Sarah's phone.

44:37

Oh, is that all? I think so. Oh, I

44:39

did way more than that. Maybe I did

44:41

more walking. We were with each other

44:43

the whole time. I know, but I did more in the morning, I

44:45

guess. I don't know. Oh. I

44:48

could also be remembering it wrong, which is highly likely for me. Maybe a little

44:50

more like 16,000. We walked far.

44:53

Where's

44:54

Sunday? That

44:56

was, yeah, Sunday. We did a lot

44:58

of walking. Oh, we did 11,860. Yeah, that sounds

45:00

more right. All right. And

45:02

we did all of that within about three hours.

45:05

That's true. That's not a whole day. That's

45:07

like half a day. I mean, the pro of going to the races, we

45:09

walked through the whole paddock. You can get close to the cars.

45:11

We saw the Hoonigan, Ridgeline. You

45:15

know, you can see all that stuff, which does not translate

45:18

on TV at all. Correct. So

45:20

that is a pro. Yeah. And if

45:22

you have like really good hospitality access

45:25

and you're

45:25

getting the quality food and beverage and

45:27

maybe you're hobnobbing with some drivers

45:30

and some all that, then it's a pretty cool experience.

45:32

But man, if you want to watch

45:34

the race, if you want to watch the race, it's better to

45:37

watch it on the screen because you get to see all the cameras

45:39

are so good now. Yeah.

45:41

Like those, the cameras that were

45:43

where someone, someone spun

45:45

out next to someone and like the camera

45:47

can spin 360 degrees so it can catch

45:50

like the accident

45:52

from the perspective of someone who was in

45:55

it. Yeah. Pretty cool shit.

45:57

It is pretty rad. That one.

45:59

Shields around it too. So at one point an

46:02

onboard camera got a massive bug splat

46:04

and you just see it go Amazing

46:07

the camera can move 360 the screen can

46:10

move 360. Yeah, it's pretty anti

46:12

bug splat technology We did miss I think

46:14

it was the day before we missed stadium super trucks

46:16

I know which is that's a really

46:18

fun thing to watch. Yeah, that's fun Yeah, the

46:21

and and I I don't believe that

46:23

the cars this is the only time I've seen

46:25

these particular indie cars race in person

46:28

But they put like mufflers

46:29

on them. Oh, yeah, they put

46:32

these they put these mufflers that looked like old-school

46:35

motorcycle silencers On

46:38

the exhausts and I don't think they

46:40

do that in other places. These cars work very

46:43

quiet Yeah, you for we wear earplugs,

46:45

but you didn't really need them. Most people

46:47

weren't wearing your it was like they it was like a pot With the

46:49

lid on it. That's kind of the exact vintage

46:52

f1 race, which I think Pat

46:54

Long won Before right

46:56

before the race and those old f1 cars

46:58

were way louder. Yeah, they were cars.

47:00

Yeah I mean the Indy cars have

47:02

turbo charters on them, I think so But

47:08

It seemed like good racing I might have to watch

47:11

more Indy road courses on on

47:13

TV But it

47:16

has when the Indy cars are running road courses

47:18

It does have a little

47:20

bit of a budget formula 1 vibe

47:23

as opposed to the ovals where it's like This

47:25

is a different thing. What makes you feel that

47:27

way? Just

47:30

like the way that the race ran,

47:32

I mean it it felt like we

47:35

Were watching a race that like wanted

47:37

to be a formula 1 race, but wasn't hmm

47:40

I maybe it's cuz of it lacks like

47:42

the nationalism of formula 1 races

47:45

where it's Italy versus France versus

47:47

England Maybe it's because the

47:50

cars don't look as cool

47:53

Cars look smaller

47:56

they are stay look smaller and they're a hundred pounds

47:58

lighter. I looked this up. Yeah The formula

48:00

of cars are fucking heavy. Modern F1

48:03

cars are 1750 and these are 1650, but

48:06

these don't have the hybrid system. Yeah. So

48:08

that's the weight. The intercooler had a great

48:10

article about the weight of F1 cars and how it

48:13

has

48:14

very sneakily grown by

48:16

hundreds of kilograms over the last 15, 20 years.

48:19

And it changed the racing a lot. But you

48:21

don't really think about how heavy they've gotten until you see

48:23

the numbers laid out. Yeah. I mean, intercoolers

48:26

and all the fluids that, you know, because they're almost

48:28

certainly air to water intercoolers. Oh, yeah. And

48:32

the hybrid systems and, I mean, they have,

48:35

they're small batteries, but they're batteries and

48:37

electric motors and shit that shit weighs. Plus

48:40

the bigger wheels now. I think a little bit heavier. Yeah.

48:43

I really enjoyed, I think.

48:44

And the cars are bigger. The F1 car is long.

48:46

They're huge. Imagine racing those at Long Beach. I bet there'd

48:48

be a lot less passing. Because Long Beach

48:50

is a hard place to pass anyway. Thinking

48:53

if one car could make the hairpin?

48:55

No.

48:56

The hairpin. I don't think it could. I think the hairpin

48:58

is tighter than the Monaco hairpin. Definitely. For

49:00

sure. The hairpin is almost a U-turn. Yeah. It's

49:03

the same hairpin they run for Formula Drift. And,

49:05

I mean, it is,

49:07

what, like a, I don't

49:09

know, it's like a foot wide. Yeah. The Barricade

49:11

there is a foot wide. It's very, very narrow. Yeah. I

49:13

don't know. And even these Indy cars

49:15

were kind of, they go real slow through that. Yeah.

49:20

But shout out to Kyle Kirkwood, who won,

49:23

and Roman Grosjean, who didn't crash. He

49:26

was running third for most of the race. I think

49:28

he. Did he finish? I don't know. I don't know. And

49:33

the move might be, really, is to

49:36

find a way to Airbnb one of those apartments

49:39

with a balcony over the track, and

49:41

then have the race on TV in the apartment

49:43

so you can really get kind of

49:45

both of those two worlds going. Roman

49:48

Grosjean got second. Oh, good

49:50

for him. Honda dominated. They're the top five. Good

49:52

for him. Yeah.

49:54

Colton Herder got fourth. That kid's going to

49:56

be coming up. Integra

50:00

Type S in person and is a very

50:03

good looking car. Yeah, it is nice Nice

50:06

looking car

50:07

the exhaust looks cool on the back the fender

50:09

flares are classy. It's a classy

50:11

ride mm-hmm Design team

50:14

is doing a good job Yeah I mean if you take the

50:16

and it has it has a power driver seat

50:18

with lumbar and heating So

50:21

they they may have fixed what that

50:23

and and the ride is supposedly going

50:25

to be a little bit softer For that then

50:27

the Civic Type R. I think that

50:29

that could be one of the perfect cars Yeah,

50:32

that's the right mix of daily

50:34

with sports Yeah, Civic Type R was just

50:36

a you know over a little bit on the sport track

50:39

record side, which makes sense Yeah,

50:41

this that could be like almost

50:43

a perfect vehicle Yeah, if they sell it for

50:45

the right price, which I think they probably

50:48

will because they're

50:49

not greedy over there at Acura I

50:51

think that could be yeah right right

50:53

at the top of the The sports

50:55

sedan pyramids there All

50:58

right, well I also well I'll

51:01

talk about this I have about 30 pages

51:03

left in Fordlandia So I'll

51:05

wait until next cruise show to give a

51:07

review of Fordlandia But it is very

51:10

good and Henry Ford was a fucking

51:12

lunatic That's the funniest

51:14

thing about Fordlandia, and I will I'll talk

51:16

about the whole book later, but when

51:19

someone is super famous When

51:22

enough time period enough time goes by

51:25

You their whole life is like

51:27

boiled down into like two things You

51:30

know and they could be a complete

51:33

fucking lunatic

51:35

Outside of that those two things Henry

51:38

Ford like Model T assembly

51:40

line production

51:42

like this guy was

51:44

out of his goddamn mind on Every

51:47

almost every other thing he touched that

51:50

wasn't the assembly line and

51:52

the Model T like everything else He

51:54

did was fucking batshit and

51:57

yeah, and there's a it's like there's a contest

51:59

for what you're

51:59

legacy will be right and if you did

52:02

you know more good than bad over

52:04

a hundred years then the good will probably outshine

52:06

the bad yeah and

52:09

he wasn't exactly right about

52:11

the Jews let's just say that he

52:13

had some thoughts about the Jews and

52:16

he had a lot of thoughts about that he seemed to

52:18

pretty much only think about Jews he

52:21

was donating a lot of money to the

52:23

whatever US Nazi Party before

52:25

they before everything really got out of control

52:27

they went oh yeah what their game plan is yeah

52:30

and then if he lived long enough he probably

52:32

would have when did he die what year I

52:35

want to say it was like

52:38

he had he hasn't died yet in the book and

52:40

I I assume at the end of the book he dies

52:43

he's not as of like the middle 30s

52:46

he's still alive so I'm not exactly sure

52:48

what year he died but I don't think he made it through

52:50

World War two made in 1947 oh he did oh well fucking

52:54

spoiler alert maybe at

52:56

the end of the world war he was like well I'm done

53:01

all right we are do you have anything else

53:04

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53:06

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53:08

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53:51

oh okay Zach pull

53:53

her up um

53:56

John Power says my 18 year old

53:58

stepson is torn between

53:59

a Fiesta ST and a Focus ST,

54:02

aside from the obvious size differences,

54:05

what are the other differences in terms of

54:07

overall driving dynamics?

54:09

I mean, weight, really.

54:13

With the size comes the weight.

54:14

They're

54:17

clearly siblings, familial.

54:20

The inputs are similar in both. Things

54:23

like the shifter feel and the steering feel

54:25

are similar in both. To me, the Fiesta's

54:27

sharper and more flickable. Agree, yeah.

54:30

If you don't need the back seat very

54:32

often, just get the Fiesta. Yeah,

54:35

do you want him to be the friend that

54:37

drives all his friends around all the time? Right.

54:40

Or do you want them to be a little uncomfortable so they don't always

54:42

choose his car?

54:43

Yeah. I had a Focus RS,

54:46

but we also had a Fiesta ST. And

54:49

even given the choice between the Focus

54:52

RS and the Fiesta ST, the Fiesta ST

54:54

was better. Yeah, totally. Like if you're going to

54:56

be driving around with four people a lot, the

54:59

back seat is a little tight. Yeah. But

55:01

other than that, I prefer Fiesta ST for everything. Sarong

55:05

Singh, how spacious was the Amira

55:07

cabin compared to a Cayman? Any

55:09

preference on which car you would take for a

55:11

long road trip?

55:14

Splitting hairs, honestly,

55:17

the cabin. In

55:20

terms of legroom and headroom, similar.

55:23

As close as makes no

55:26

difference to me. I

55:28

fit well in both. The Amira is nice because it has

55:30

that back parcel shelf thing so you can put things

55:32

behind you. Right. But

55:35

the Cayman has a frunk. The Cayman has a frunk, so it's like, do you need to have

55:37

access to things on that road trip while driving or

55:40

are you okay with stopping to get them? Because

55:42

otherwise, the Cayman, it's like, you got a drink, small

55:44

snacks, it's kind of it. Yeah.

55:47

The frunk in the Amira is not super

55:50

well insulated from the engine,

55:52

whereas the rear trunk in the Cayman is

55:54

a little better insulated in

55:56

terms of warmth

55:57

from engine. the

56:00

Cayman vents the heat out better

56:03

to somewhere else besides the engine.

56:06

But I would happily do,

56:09

I've done road trips in Caymans and

56:11

Boxsters before, they are great, we're gonna

56:13

do another one next week in mine,

56:16

and I've done road trips in, not

56:18

Amiras but Evoras, and super

56:21

comfortable also. Really

56:25

splitting hairs. If you fit in

56:27

one, you'll fit in the other.

56:29

Driving

56:31

Cook is looking for a third

56:34

car. I have a Focus

56:36

ST and a Mustang GT PP2.

56:40

I'm looking for something outside of

56:42

a Ford with four doors and

56:44

spicy, $65,000. Doesn't

56:49

need to be manual. I

56:51

do road trips regularly and I'm in

56:53

Atlanta.

56:56

CT4 Blackwing, F80

56:58

M3. What's

57:01

this, you use Chevy SS?

57:02

Oh, I mean, not 65 grand. Yeah,

57:06

that's a red car. You get the

57:08

nicest one in the world for 65 grand. I

57:11

would also say you could

57:13

be getting a C63 Mercedes, or

57:18

four doors, a GLS 63, excuse me,

57:23

GLC 63, slightly used. That's

57:26

a nice looking SUV. I really like the design

57:28

of that car. Yeah, they're very cool

57:31

and spicy. You get a brand, no,

57:32

you get a one year old RS3 maybe,

57:35

for 65, or a brand new S3. New

57:38

S3 would be good. I don't know if I'd call an

57:40

S3 spicy, but it's a good time. You

57:46

could get a Lexus IS 500,

57:49

which would be a great daily driver

57:52

road trip type car. Yeah, that's true. Although

57:54

not as fun as a CT4 Blackwing. CT4

57:56

Blackwing would be more fun. We talked about

57:59

that on a previous show.

57:59

But yeah, the CT4 is a better car.

58:02

Yeah. Like

58:06

I would rather get a CT4 Blackwing than an F80

58:08

M3. And I'm surprising

58:10

myself to see that. But it drives better. Oh

58:13

yeah, I agree. I agree. The

58:15

auto's not bad in the Blackwing, but the

58:18

fact that it's available in a manual, you should try

58:20

to get the manual. The manual's good. Yeah. Yeah.

58:23

A lot of options at that price. Anything, I mean, you

58:25

could get an M2.

58:27

The last gen M2.

58:29

Oh, four doors. Four doors. No,

58:31

sorry, never mind. Yeah. And you could get like

58:33

an M, man, that's not spicy. 340's not

58:35

spicy. You could get a great

58:37

E92 M3 sedan. That

58:41

would be quite delightful. You can get the

58:43

best one. The best, you get a great one

58:46

that's low mileage with good history

58:48

and it would not depreciate.

58:50

You can get a medium one and supercharge

58:53

it. The one I drove was excellent.

58:56

Excellent, so that would feel fast.

58:59

Or if you wanted something collectible,

59:02

you could spend 50K on a 2007 to 2009 Audi

59:04

RS4, which

59:08

is delightful, and then put the rest aside

59:11

for maintenance. Yeah. That would be, those are

59:13

very fun. 60K might

59:15

get you into a Panamera Turbo.

59:17

Like a used one? Yeah, like a

59:19

used Panamera Turbo or possibly even a Turbo

59:21

S. But you need to have maintenance money. They're

59:24

pretty reliable, but they are expensive to maintain.

59:27

Right. You want to get it for 55,

59:29

save 10. Yeah, for sure.

59:33

Lucas says, is this real?

59:36

Lucas says, my current daily is a 1951 Hudson Hornet, but

59:40

I recently rode in a friend's car with seat

59:43

belts and began to think I need something

59:45

more modern. That sounds like a troll question.

59:47

I think it's a joke question, but that's why I left it

59:49

in because I love it.

59:50

Oh, oh. Oh, the

59:52

second half of it gives it away as a joke. That's

59:54

why I'm pre-screening. Help me decide between a 1963 Borgward

59:57

Isabella.

59:59

and a 1991 Porsche 962, any great radio. Which

1:00:04

one's a better road trip car?

1:00:06

Yeah, I should have read that

1:00:08

all the way through before I got ahead of

1:00:10

myself and read the first half, more than the second

1:00:12

half. If you're actually daily in car from the

1:00:14

50s, God bless you, you don't need seat

1:00:16

belts, you'll drive carefully.

1:00:19

Okay, hang on. Kurt

1:00:22

Bergstet,

1:00:24

have you seen the current values of

1:00:26

Shelby GT500s with carbon fiber

1:00:28

track packs? Is there a better DCT

1:00:31

track street car for under 100K? I'm

1:00:35

seeing cars with 2,000 miles for 97,000, I

1:00:39

think that's an incredible value. Not

1:00:42

wrong, I think it is an incredible value.

1:00:45

The carbon cars, they're

1:00:48

very fun to drive, they're very fast, and

1:00:50

GT500s are very collectible

1:00:53

in general,

1:00:54

they've always held their value really

1:00:56

well, and they're very collectible. Now,

1:01:00

is there a better DCT track

1:01:03

street car for under 100K? Yes,

1:01:07

there are. Camin GT4, or sorry, GTS.

1:01:10

A Camin

1:01:12

GTs, a Corvette C8 with

1:01:15

3LTZ51, yeah,

1:01:19

it's better on a track, yeah. That's true. Especially

1:01:21

because- And it's a better road trip car. Remember what happened

1:01:24

on Proving Grounds with the carbon GT500? With

1:01:27

the wheel? Where the wheel exploded. The wheel

1:01:29

broke, but it wasn't Ford's fault, I'll say

1:01:31

that. Well, but why did it break?

1:01:34

Because it got isolated to

1:01:36

a curve. Right, but would that have

1:01:38

happened- The end of the track, rather. But would that have happened

1:01:40

if the wheel was made of metal and not carbon? No.

1:01:43

So the problem with carbon wheels on

1:01:45

a car is that they're fucking

1:01:47

great, they look great, they're light,

1:01:49

they make the car super responsive, all

1:01:52

those good things, but they are fragile,

1:01:54

and you can't let anyone tell you otherwise.

1:01:56

And you can't curve them? Yeah. It's

1:01:59

not worth it. So if he's talking about actually

1:02:02

tracking the car, like even if you had

1:02:04

a GT500 with carbon

1:02:06

wheels, my first thing to tell

1:02:08

you would be, get a set of HRE

1:02:11

R101 lightweights for your

1:02:13

track wheels so you don't fuck up your

1:02:15

carbon wheels. Yeah, I would just

1:02:18

box the carbon ones, like literally just keep you

1:02:20

somewhere. I'd feel okay driving with them on the

1:02:22

street. I wouldn't. Yeah, you wouldn't?

1:02:24

No, because if you tap a curb, you'd tap the wrong pothole. I

1:02:27

think they're cool and they're light. No, I get it, and

1:02:29

that's the hard

1:02:29

thing, is they're good for track use, but

1:02:32

they're also, you have to be careful with curbing.

1:02:34

Yeah. On track or off track. Yeah.

1:02:37

But I think there are, if I really wanted

1:02:40

to, in terms of like pure driving joy,

1:02:43

forget the investment, forget that

1:02:46

kind of stuff, the fact that it's a good value

1:02:48

or that it's got a giant motor and goes fast

1:02:50

as fuck. I would rather buy

1:02:53

a Cayman or a Corvette for

1:02:55

a fun car

1:02:56

than a GT500. I think they have different

1:02:58

attitudes. Yeah. Like the GT500 impressed

1:03:01

me because it has so much attitude and

1:03:03

so much punch in the face, but it actually

1:03:06

handles great, breaks great. Like it does far

1:03:08

better than it should given its layout on the way to the

1:03:10

front. And the DCT does make it feel

1:03:13

like something that's more than just a Mustang.

1:03:15

Totally. Like even the Shelby 350, which

1:03:18

is super, that Voodoo motor's incredible,

1:03:21

it's not not a Mustang anymore. It's the best

1:03:24

Mustang, but it's still, once

1:03:26

you are paddle

1:03:26

shifting with the DCT, it

1:03:29

does start to feel substantially

1:03:31

more exotic than, like

1:03:33

I'd love to see someone put a DCT in

1:03:36

a Shelby 350 with the revs.

1:03:38

I think they should have offered both with both. They

1:03:41

had a 350 and 500 with manual or DCT. I

1:03:45

know why they didn't, but it would be fucking

1:03:47

cool. Maybe if you just found two people

1:03:49

who wanted to trade.

1:03:51

And someone to program them,

1:03:53

meld them together. Yeah, that would be awesome.

1:03:56

They're great cars. We're not trying to talk you out of

1:03:58

a Shelby GD500.

1:03:59

If I see one on the street and

1:04:02

I'm always happy to see it because you don't see them

1:04:05

a lot on the street And they hold their value

1:04:07

really really well. Yeah, but

1:04:10

If I wanted to go on track, I'd probably

1:04:13

rather have something a little lighter

1:04:14

Miguel

1:04:17

is looking for a jdm sedan

1:04:19

with 300 horsepower for 30,000 bucks well wait

1:04:25

uh All I can think of

1:04:27

is a WRX or GSF sport

1:04:29

both of which are not I

1:04:31

think Miguel might Accidentally be miss

1:04:34

using the term JDM. I

1:04:36

think what right what he's looking for is a Japanese

1:04:39

sedan Yeah, yeah, cuz JDM

1:04:41

is for 30k like I'd be like

1:04:43

importing like a skyline Gtsd

1:04:46

yeah, and you have a great one. Yeah, that would

1:04:48

be fun. It means Japanese domestic market We're

1:04:50

only in Japan yeah for anybody who? Yes

1:04:54

What else

1:04:55

what other Japanese sedans

1:04:57

would you buy for $30,000? Use

1:05:03

is 350

1:05:05

That's work, maybe Yeah,

1:05:08

those make 305 horsepower. Yeah

1:05:10

the visa the v6 It's not

1:05:12

like an amazing engine, but it gets the

1:05:15

it gets the power going yeah,

1:05:17

can you get a could you get a? 2006 Subaru

1:05:20

legacy GT For

1:05:25

Jerry, I'm sure yeah, but you could be the nicest

1:05:27

one in the world Yeah, you could get like

1:05:29

a G35 sedan or the 37 sedan

1:05:32

the manual. I mean the WRX does Doesn't

1:05:35

come with 300 horsepower at least not on paper. I

1:05:38

mean you get it stage two Yes, 30 grand

1:05:40

will get you some kind of STI though. Yeah, good

1:05:43

you use STI. Yeah, certainly there's

1:05:45

of course the Evos

1:05:47

You know Evo Evo 10 Evo 9

1:05:50

30 grand will get you into one I'll get you a pretty

1:05:52

good Evo for that money as long as it hasn't been crashed

1:05:57

Yeah, there's no Toyota to Honda Accord

1:06:00

Is there a sporty Honda Accord V6? Maybe,

1:06:05

but they've never ever been that fun

1:06:08

or sporty to me. Yeah. Like they're good. Yeah. And

1:06:10

the ones that are good like the Accord Coupe

1:06:12

manual, like this is a great overall GT

1:06:14

car. Sure. But for something like

1:06:17

sporty and exciting, I would stop. It's not really there.

1:06:19

I don't think so. Not personally. Andrew

1:06:22

said the...

1:06:26

Okay.

1:06:27

All right. I'm going to... I decided to read the

1:06:29

whole question first, so I didn't get fucking thrown

1:06:32

off. That's informative. Yeah. Andrew

1:06:34

N says the enthusiast community can often

1:06:36

get a Mandela effect on certain topics.

1:06:38

For example, a recent patron's

1:06:40

question was about how BMW used to

1:06:42

make great manuals. And

1:06:45

Andrew says BMW has never made exceptional

1:06:48

manuals. What are some other commonly

1:06:50

misremembered judgments about cars that

1:06:52

you hear frequently? Good question,

1:06:54

but I think whether BMW makes great

1:06:56

manuals or not is

1:06:57

entirely subjective. You might

1:06:59

not like them, but I think there

1:07:02

are certainly manual BMW

1:07:04

cars that I've driven that were nice.

1:07:07

I mean, they've never excelled at shift

1:07:09

or feel specifically, but they've

1:07:12

made lots of cars that were great.

1:07:14

I mean... They've made good cars that had manual

1:07:16

transmissions. I don't think they've made a manual

1:07:18

transmission that I think of like that's the one

1:07:21

that shifts. That's the one that feels great to operate.

1:07:23

Sure.

1:07:24

Like Tremec, the T6060 feels better. Honda's

1:07:29

feel better, but that's very subjective.

1:07:31

Other commonly misremembered

1:07:33

judgments about cars.

1:07:36

They don't make them like they used

1:07:38

to anymore, is a complete

1:07:40

horseshit statement. They make them

1:07:42

way fucking better. Yeah, for the most

1:07:45

part, cars have gotten better. I mean, they've gotten safer

1:07:47

and faster and more comfortable. Yeah.

1:07:49

So, which is how most people judge a car. Yeah.

1:07:53

I think there's probably quite a few examples

1:07:56

of cars that are fondly

1:07:58

remembered that have aged well.

1:07:59

And you people

1:08:02

wonder why they're so rare and it's

1:08:04

because they totally tanked when they were new.

1:08:06

That's a good point

1:08:08

And now they they become very valuable

1:08:10

because they're so rare because

1:08:13

they didn't sell well

1:08:17

There's a there's other there's other ones that are the

1:08:19

press's fault for

1:08:21

instance people thought that the

1:08:24

GMC cyclone was

1:08:26

like actually fast the turbocharged

1:08:28

truck because it It beat

1:08:30

the Ferrari 348 to 60

1:08:34

when the the cyclone

1:08:37

was an all-wheel drive an automatic

1:08:40

turbocharged

1:08:42

Vehicle so you could brake boost

1:08:44

it and brake stand it and launch it

1:08:46

whereas the Ferrari was a long-legged

1:08:50

dog leg first to second gear

1:08:53

with a soft clutch and what

1:08:55

no one ever mentions is that Even

1:08:58

though the the truck beat the

1:09:00

Ferrari 348 to 60 by like a couple of tenths

1:09:03

This 360 or the 360 the 348 beat it down the quarter mile by like almost

1:09:05

a second Oh,

1:09:09

yeah, like after 60. It's like completely

1:09:12

fucking gone and but they just

1:09:14

remember that cover of the cyclone

1:09:16

It's like yeah, you chose you chose

1:09:18

this one specific thing that

1:09:21

means something to some people But is definitely

1:09:23

not defined fast for everybody.

1:09:25

I watched This versus that say

1:09:27

and it's Rob Dom's car versus the world right now and

1:09:31

he was racing this pickup truck and the guy the

1:09:33

truck owner lost the first race and he negotiated

1:09:35

for a 500-foot race to shorten it and

1:09:38

Similar to what you said about the cyclone. I'm like a

1:09:41

shorter race only benefits the all-wheel

1:09:43

drive vehicle Sure trucklets rear-wheel drive versus

1:09:45

an all-wheel drive RX7 like unless

1:09:47

that RX7 explodes this game over

1:09:50

and it was I See

1:09:55

other things I think I remember growing

1:09:57

up and it was like

1:09:58

the adages were jap

1:09:59

Japanese cars will run forever, American

1:10:02

cars are also more reliable, German cars are kind of in

1:10:04

the middle. And I think

1:10:05

the Japanese cars have mainly held up that end of the

1:10:08

bargain, but

1:10:09

none of that is as tried

1:10:12

and true as it's been purported to be. Like there

1:10:14

have been Japanese cars like Subaru stuff

1:10:16

with the open deck designs, like they don't do great.

1:10:19

A lot of American cars have had plenty of recalls

1:10:21

that we've seen. I think the lesson

1:10:23

is just it's more complicated to make cars than we

1:10:26

thought. Yeah, also

1:10:28

it is,

1:10:30

I think, I don't know if the word is

1:10:32

misremembered or if it's just

1:10:35

inaccurate at this point. Both

1:10:38

Corvettes and NSXs

1:10:41

are supposed to be like the reliable,

1:10:43

durable, affordable sports cars.

1:10:46

And that is true when it comes

1:10:49

to like the core components.

1:10:51

Like the NSX shares engine

1:10:53

architecture and gearbox architecture

1:10:56

with like the Acura TL,

1:10:59

right? But, and some other Honda

1:11:01

products. And the Corvette has like the

1:11:04

engine that gets shared across

1:11:06

other stuff and a Tremec gearbox

1:11:09

and like that. But

1:11:10

both the Acura NSX and the Corvette

1:11:13

of all generations, a

1:11:15

lot of other things are not shared with

1:11:17

other cars in that family. And consequently,

1:11:20

they can be very, very expensive

1:11:22

to maintain in certain select

1:11:25

ways. They are durable

1:11:27

to run compared to contemporaries.

1:11:30

You know, an NSX isn't expensive to fix

1:11:33

compared to a Ferrari 355, but

1:11:36

compared to

1:11:38

another Acura, it's like crazy

1:11:41

expensive. Like I had to fix shit

1:11:43

on my Corvette, which is a C5. It's not even

1:11:45

like some super exotic

1:11:47

car. It was a production level car. And

1:11:49

I was regularly shocked by

1:11:52

the price of fairly basic things

1:11:54

for that car. And I'm like, how is

1:11:56

this dumb piece of shit like this expensive?

1:11:58

And they're like, well, this car is expensive.

1:11:59

The car only has parts that are on Corvettes.

1:12:02

It's not shared with... The engine is shared.

1:12:04

If you went to AutoZone, you'd get engine parts for no

1:12:07

dollars because it's shared across all of these other

1:12:09

cars. But your door handle

1:12:12

or whatever, that's Corvette specific,

1:12:14

they only made enough for Corvette. And that kind of shit went wrong.

1:12:17

Corvette is like, over time,

1:12:20

as rubber bits and electronic bits

1:12:23

and these cars are 30 years

1:12:25

old now. Over time, those

1:12:28

things start to go bad and they need replacing.

1:12:29

And they're just as expensive

1:12:32

as a Ferrari or a Porsche in

1:12:34

a lot of cases. An early 90s

1:12:36

NSX and an early 90s Porsche

1:12:39

have remarkably similar maintenance

1:12:41

costs.

1:12:43

I think one just gets the maintenance costs

1:12:45

go into the engine and one it goes into the interior.

1:12:48

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I

1:12:50

mean, Porsches don't... Their interiors hold up really well. Right.

1:12:53

But they need a top end rebuild every whatever miles and that's very

1:12:55

expensive. Yeah,

1:12:57

definitely. Okay.

1:13:03

Watch question from Chad. Wants

1:13:06

to know about Gruen Watches. My

1:13:08

parents are giving me one that belonged to my great,

1:13:10

great grandfather. He would have purchased it in

1:13:13

Germany before the second world war.

1:13:16

I'm told it's been serviced and runs great. Are

1:13:19

there any resources out there to find out

1:13:21

more about it once I have it? Sure.

1:13:24

Yeah. You could just

1:13:26

do something as simple as Googling

1:13:30

Gruen Watch from 1940s and you'll probably

1:13:35

find a variety of

1:13:37

images of watches. They

1:13:40

couldn't have made that many different watches at

1:13:42

that time. This is a pretty small company

1:13:45

and

1:13:47

they probably had a limited... I

1:13:49

would be surprised if Gruen,

1:13:52

the official website for the manufacturer,

1:13:55

doesn't have their entire company's history

1:13:57

on the website.

1:13:59

After that, a lot of watches, I don't

1:14:02

know about German watches from that period, but most

1:14:04

watches have serial numbers on them

1:14:07

somewhere,

1:14:08

on the movement or on the case back

1:14:10

or in between the lugs. They're

1:14:14

neat watches and they're definitely cool

1:14:18

vintage vibes. There's

1:14:20

styling ethos from all

1:14:22

kinds of other places. Some look

1:14:24

like Seiko, some look like Movado,

1:14:27

some look kind of like a higher

1:14:29

end model. They

1:14:33

do some interesting stuff and they've been

1:14:35

around for a long time. You

1:14:37

could also post in the

1:14:40

reviews, Reddit, our watches

1:14:43

in Reddit has some good resources.

1:14:46

I don't know a ton about

1:14:48

them. I've heard of them. It's legit.

1:14:51

It's your great, great grandfathers and it works. Very,

1:14:54

very cool. I would just start Google

1:14:56

imaging

1:14:57

searches and you'll find something that's similar

1:15:00

and that photo will lead you to ... That's

1:15:02

the start of the video.

1:15:07

Tom Rosenbaum says, do you think

1:15:09

BMW's current design missteps

1:15:11

will be limited to this current generation

1:15:14

of BMWs or will there be a

1:15:16

correction once this batch

1:15:18

has run its course?

1:15:20

Well,

1:15:22

his either or are the same thing.

1:15:25

Will there be a correction and is this design limited

1:15:28

to this generation? I

1:15:30

think it's really hard to

1:15:32

predict what a company's going to do because

1:15:34

the companies have a board and they have design teams

1:15:37

and they have a design leader. They

1:15:39

have hard points to design around.

1:15:42

I know the new 7 Series has very controversial

1:15:44

styling but if you look at it, you go Rolls

1:15:47

Royce underneath. You can see that

1:15:49

almost like you could take the body panels off the 7 Series

1:15:51

and put Rolls panels on it. The profile

1:15:53

looks really similar. I think there's just too many variables

1:15:57

for us to successfully predict what they're

1:15:59

going to do.

1:15:59

because we don't like some of their current designs.

1:16:02

Depends if people buy them.

1:16:04

Right, true. If their sales go in the toilet,

1:16:07

then they'll probably change it quick. If

1:16:09

their sales stay good,

1:16:11

if there's enough people that don't care

1:16:13

what it looks like or like it, and

1:16:16

buy it, then this is it. But

1:16:19

they change every seven or eight years

1:16:21

no matter what. Yeah. That's

1:16:25

proven all the way back to the beginning

1:16:28

of that company. There's a massive design

1:16:30

overhaul.

1:16:31

They'll usually re-engineer

1:16:34

something significant every like eight years. And

1:16:37

facelifts happen every couple years. Yeah. Lucas

1:16:41

Pariano wants to know my golf

1:16:43

handicap. I don't know.

1:16:45

I don't typically keep scoring golf. And

1:16:48

when I do, I certainly don't register it

1:16:50

with the golf handicapping computer.

1:16:53

I would say if

1:16:54

I had to guess on a really good

1:16:57

day, I would shoot high

1:17:02

80s or low 90s. That's

1:17:05

a pretty decent day for me. I don't play

1:17:07

that much. I don't practice that much. I don't

1:17:09

care that much. I enjoy golf.

1:17:11

That's how you have fun out there. Yeah. It's

1:17:13

not here. I'm glad I don't have to care too much.

1:17:17

All right, Wade.

1:17:19

The meaty one. Okay. The

1:17:21

highlighted portion, I assume, is the important part, right?

1:17:24

What advice, Tapio says, what advice

1:17:26

do you have when you can financially afford

1:17:29

the car but it's not consistent

1:17:31

with the rest of your lifestyle? If

1:17:33

you're a Miata guy but have 992 money, should

1:17:37

you worry about how you're perceived

1:17:39

for what you drive, the message

1:17:41

your car choice gives off? What

1:17:44

about non-financial

1:17:46

ownership factors like the vehicle is incongruous

1:17:49

with the area you live

1:17:51

and the places you go? You're a mid-level

1:17:54

exec driving the CEO's car.

1:17:56

That's a lot of macro questions in here, which

1:17:58

is why I liked it more than that. the top half. So sorry,

1:18:01

Tapio, you asked two questions. All right, so let's

1:18:04

take him one at a time. If

1:18:07

you're really a Miata guy but have 992 money,

1:18:11

you should never feel pressured.

1:18:15

People feel pressured based on social media

1:18:17

and whatever. But if you're into a Miata,

1:18:21

how great? How great that you're a cheap

1:18:23

car date? It's way better than the other

1:18:26

way. If you have 992 money, buy

1:18:28

a Miata for cash and fucking

1:18:30

drive the wheels off it. Yeah, and you have the money to

1:18:32

track it and go to track days

1:18:34

with it and do all the consumables. You can

1:18:37

afford to have more fun and more adventure

1:18:39

with that car than someone who's stretched

1:18:41

to just own a 992. For 992 money, you

1:18:43

could race Miatas

1:18:45

several times a year and

1:18:47

buy one for cash to drive yourself to

1:18:49

the track. Yeah, that's true. You could

1:18:51

run Spec Miata, right? Like

1:18:54

our friend Jack Baruth,

1:18:57

car writer, went

1:18:59

racing for a whole season, semi-professional

1:19:02

racing for an entire season. And he said at the

1:19:04

end of it, he could have bought a Lamborghini Huracan for

1:19:06

cash.

1:19:07

And instead, he did like 11 Grand

1:19:10

Am races. Whoa.

1:19:12

Yeah, like racing racing, not

1:19:14

like bullshit club racing. And that would, I'm sure, he's

1:19:17

a great driver and that just leveled him up even more.

1:19:19

Sure. And you can take all that experience forward

1:19:21

with you, whereas if you just

1:19:23

bought the Huracan, you have those memories too, but

1:19:25

it's a different kind of memory. But like if you

1:19:27

have a bunch of money, but not expensive

1:19:30

tastes in cars, I mean, how fortunate for you.

1:19:32

Yeah. You are one of the lucky ones. Yeah. Take

1:19:34

advantage. Put the rest of the money into retirement. Like

1:19:36

do something smart with it. Yeah. Instead of trying to keep up with

1:19:38

the Joneses for sure. Yeah, for sure. Second

1:19:40

part of the question, should you worry about how you're perceived

1:19:43

for what you drive, the message your

1:19:45

car choice gives off?

1:19:47

My immediate instinct is no, you

1:19:50

should drive exactly the thing that makes you happy.

1:19:52

However, I don't work at

1:19:54

a corporate environment where I go into a corporate

1:19:57

office parking lot every day and someone else.

1:19:59

might see your car and

1:20:02

start asking questions or getting jealous

1:20:04

or whatever. If

1:20:06

that's part of your life, then I would

1:20:09

probably not drive something that

1:20:11

makes people think you earn way more money

1:20:13

than you have. Right.

1:20:15

And I've heard, we've had

1:20:17

commenters that they're like realtors or something

1:20:19

and they need to show clients stuff. If

1:20:21

you need to drive other people around, you might need

1:20:23

to

1:20:24

own something a little larger or nicer than

1:20:26

what you would if you didn't have that responsibility.

1:20:29

But I'd say the

1:20:30

worry is don't use that as an excuse

1:20:33

to overextend yourself. And then you're

1:20:35

buying the CEO's car and you're making those payments

1:20:37

just because you're like, well, I need to show my clients.

1:20:40

Like, no, no, you just justified your extension.

1:20:42

I've worked with a variety of

1:20:44

real estate agents, commercial, residential,

1:20:47

et cetera.

1:20:49

They've all had decent cars,

1:20:52

but at least, and the

1:20:54

guy who sold my house, Josh

1:20:56

Altman who sold my house in Venice, drives a fucking

1:20:59

Rolls Royce Dawn, but that's a different story. But

1:21:01

that's not why I had him sell the house. But

1:21:03

like, if

1:21:06

he, very successful realtor, drove

1:21:09

a

1:21:10

Mercedes GLE 350,

1:21:13

which is far below what he could afford,

1:21:16

I would not judge him his success

1:21:19

by that car. Right. Yeah.

1:21:22

And then last part of this question, what

1:21:24

about non-financial ownership factors if

1:21:26

the vehicle is incongruous with the area

1:21:28

you live and the places you go? That

1:21:31

sounds like the perfect opportunity for a two-car

1:21:33

household.

1:21:34

If you want to have a sports car,

1:21:36

but you live in an urban area

1:21:39

and go to an office every day

1:21:42

and park the car in a place that may not be safe all the

1:21:45

time or whatever, that sounds like a good

1:21:47

opportunity to have a daily driver and

1:21:49

then a fun car that the people at

1:21:51

work don't see and that you don't have to

1:21:53

park in the crappy place and drive in traffic

1:21:55

and whatever. Our friend Dave did that the

1:21:58

best. He had the RAV4.

1:21:59

Yeah, and then he had a small

1:22:02

car collection in his garage that was

1:22:04

full of awesome stuff Yeah He

1:22:06

would he owned restaurants multiple restaurants

1:22:08

and he would drive to there's five or six of them

1:22:11

and he would drive to all Five or six in one

1:22:13

day and he did not want the

1:22:15

people who worked in those restaurants to see him driving

1:22:18

flashy shit and he had like

1:22:21

a six year old Honda CRV and He

1:22:24

would he would roll around in his CRV.

1:22:26

He kept it clean It wasn't

1:22:29

like a filthy shitbox But

1:22:31

it was a Honda CRV and it was comfortable

1:22:33

for him to sit in traffic and do this

1:22:36

70 mile daily loop to his restaurants

1:22:39

and this dude had probably three

1:22:41

four million bucks of cars at home real

1:22:44

nice house underground garage and Yeah,

1:22:47

perfect opportunity for the low-key

1:22:50

daily and then the make it seem

1:22:52

like the profits aren't that high. Yeah For

1:22:55

sure definitely sandbag your salary

1:22:57

in the office for sure

1:23:01

Ivan Capote says what is your take

1:23:03

on buying higher mileage cars to avoid

1:23:06

some maintenance costs? I

1:23:11

I'm not really sure what that means be

1:23:14

I purchased and sold two German

1:23:16

sedans with relatively high mileage

1:23:19

that had common Problems already taken

1:23:21

care of and there wasn't really a premium

1:23:23

However, my current daily is going through

1:23:25

the hundred-k service and I've spent way

1:23:28

more than I would if this was done properly

1:23:31

Well, I mean when I bought my car I stupidly

1:23:33

was looking for something with under a hundred thousand miles

1:23:36

because I thought that meant

1:23:38

that it had less wear on it But then I bought

1:23:40

it and I had to do the evap tank I had

1:23:42

to do these hundred thousand miles service things

1:23:45

which cost me whatever a couple thousand dollars and

1:23:48

I'm very happy with the car I bought but I

1:23:50

remember I had buyers remorse afterwards going I

1:23:53

should have just bought a car with 110 or 120 Yeah,

1:23:56

it had all these things addressed. So in

1:23:58

my opinion if you're gonna

1:23:59

drive it a lot, the difference between 80,

1:24:02

and if you know you're gonna keep it long enough, the difference

1:24:04

between 80 and 120, who gives a shit? Like

1:24:08

find the best one that

1:24:09

maybe has had those things addressed, that way you don't have to pay

1:24:11

for it. Right, we see

1:24:13

this all the time with

1:24:16

air cooled Porsches.

1:24:18

All the time. The number of cars

1:24:20

that I see people buy that

1:24:23

have 80 to 95,000 miles on them is a ton. And

1:24:28

these cars have a $18,000 top end rebuild

1:24:31

due at 100.

1:24:35

$18,000, engine out, engine apart, valve train apart. And

1:24:43

sometimes, and this

1:24:45

happened to me, my car

1:24:47

that became the Safari car,

1:24:50

I bought it with like 86,000 miles on it

1:24:52

I think. And

1:24:55

normally this service is at 100, but

1:24:58

it can be in the Carrera models particularly,

1:25:01

the valve guides would go bad and

1:25:03

you would get blow by, and you'd start getting smoke

1:25:06

out of the back. And within 1,000

1:25:09

miles of being converted to

1:25:11

a Safari, mine started smoking and

1:25:14

had to do a full top end, and

1:25:16

I did the bottom end also, because while you're

1:25:18

in there, spend the extra 600

1:25:20

bucks and do the bottom end too.

1:25:23

And yeah,

1:25:25

I mean if you buy the car with

1:25:28

that service already done, you're

1:25:30

good for 100,000 more miles. So

1:25:32

if you're really gonna drive it, buy the

1:25:34

one with the higher number with that service

1:25:37

done and documented, because

1:25:39

it happens so

1:25:41

often where people buy cars that are right

1:25:43

before major service intervals,

1:25:47

not entirely understanding what they're

1:25:49

about to get into.

1:25:50

And if the average American drives 12,000 miles per

1:25:52

year, if you buy a

1:25:54

car that has any mileage in the 80s, and

1:25:57

you're like, oh that service is a long way off,

1:25:59

it's a year.

1:25:59

off. So if we're going to keep it for more than six

1:26:02

months, just

1:26:03

buy over a hundred. I agree. Okay.

1:26:08

Philip LaFranco,

1:26:11

watch question, has a

1:26:13

Seiko 5 Sports, ready to step

1:26:16

up for something a little nicer.

1:26:19

The issue I have currently

1:26:21

is that the Seiko tends to lose more time

1:26:24

than I'd expect, three to five minutes

1:26:26

per day.

1:26:29

That's probably within

1:26:31

spec.

1:26:33

Might be a little off.

1:26:36

Three to five minutes a week is about

1:26:38

right. What are the best

1:26:40

practices with winding and crucially

1:26:43

when do I stop turning? Fair question.

1:26:46

When I wind a watch, I

1:26:49

set the time and then I wind it 30 to 40

1:26:52

times. That

1:26:54

usually gets me going

1:26:56

and pretty good. I'm a bad ... I'm

1:26:58

going to sound like a shithead and I apologize

1:27:01

in advance because I have many watches.

1:27:03

I very rarely wear any one

1:27:05

watch for more than three or four days at a time unless

1:27:07

I'm traveling. That's what happens with a collection. If

1:27:10

you leave one of the 48 watches you

1:27:12

have on the lower floor of the castle and you're upstairs

1:27:14

like, I don't want to go get it. That kind of thing where watches lose

1:27:17

a couple minutes

1:27:25

a week or gain a couple of minutes

1:27:26

a week, I

1:27:28

don't have as much actual experience because

1:27:30

I don't wear watches that one

1:27:32

watch that long. I think you

1:27:35

can go to a watchmaker,

1:27:37

a watch repair place, a good one

1:27:39

in your area, and you can have

1:27:41

your watch adjusted a little bit. They

1:27:44

can adjust the escapement that goes

1:27:47

tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick,

1:27:49

tick, has actual, sometimes has weights

1:27:51

on it that can be adjusted a little

1:27:53

bit. Now, Seiko 5 Sports, pretty

1:27:56

entry level watch, may or may not have

1:27:58

that. A lot of times they can

1:27:59

regulate the movement for better performance.

1:28:04

But I do not

1:28:06

pull the crown out when I go to bed. I

1:28:09

do not do, I don't keep them

1:28:11

on winders, I don't do anything special. I wind

1:28:13

them up and then I wear them and then, you

1:28:16

know, they never get far

1:28:18

enough off before I move on to another one. But three

1:28:20

to five minutes a day does sound a little high.

1:28:25

Okay, Christian Pelfrey wrote

1:28:27

way

1:28:28

too many words. It's

1:28:30

kind of an interesting story. Like

1:28:33

I'll try to sum it up. I read it. His friend has

1:28:35

a brand new Subaru. His friend is worried

1:28:37

about that RTV pickup machine. The RTV thing, yeah.

1:28:40

If he takes it to a private mechanic to check it,

1:28:42

then

1:28:42

he voids his warranty.

1:28:44

They won't look at it, they won't preemptively

1:28:46

check it at the dealership. Under

1:28:49

warranty. Right. But he's willing

1:28:51

to pay a private shop. So the

1:28:53

solution is pay the dealer. That's what

1:28:55

I thought too. If you pay the dealer

1:28:57

to check, to just take, you'd be like, I

1:28:59

want a new oil pan gasket. And then they

1:29:01

will look at your RTV pickup. Yeah, I

1:29:03

mean, they'll,

1:29:07

yeah, it's weird that your friend

1:29:09

is willing to pay an independent shop, but

1:29:11

not willing to pay the dealer

1:29:14

to do the same thing. I understand mentally

1:29:17

why you might not want to pay the dealer when

1:29:19

certain items are covered under warranty, but

1:29:21

I

1:29:22

cannot

1:29:24

imagine a scenario in which your warranty is voided

1:29:27

by having your dealer remove

1:29:29

the oil pan for money to inspect

1:29:32

this thing. Yeah, because his friend wants to track the

1:29:34

car, but he doesn't want to do that if he has this oil pickup

1:29:36

issue. Well, that's a good proactive

1:29:38

thought, but I don't know why it's not put

1:29:41

together to just pay the dealer to do this. I mean, I can

1:29:43

understand you go, well, shouldn't they do these things under warranty?

1:29:45

Maybe he's worried they'll say no, but I think

1:29:48

you should just ask them, like, I want to pay you

1:29:50

to look at this. Well, if there's a recall, they

1:29:52

will do it under

1:29:52

warranty. Of course, they have, yeah. But that

1:29:55

doesn't mean that if you don't have concerns right

1:29:57

now, yeah, okay, it'll cost

1:29:59

you a little bit. of money. Maybe it'll cost

1:30:01

you a couple hundred dollars to check that. But

1:30:04

like, it would've cost you a couple hundred dollars to go

1:30:06

to the independent shop. Yeah. Keep the paperwork at the

1:30:08

dealership. What's the problem? Yeah. Yeah, I

1:30:10

would just do that. Light

1:30:13

Bias

1:30:14

says that

1:30:17

I have preferred the

1:30:19

Panamera GTS. Oh,

1:30:22

wait. It says 911

1:30:25

and Panamera. What? Why

1:30:27

does it say Panamera? I don't know.

1:30:30

I think he means 911 GTS

1:30:33

and not Panamera GTS. You

1:30:35

made comments preferring the GTS. Is

1:30:38

it because the GTS can be had rear wheel

1:30:40

drive and manual? Which would

1:30:42

you choose? Rear wheel drive and PDK or all

1:30:44

wheel drive and manual? Well,

1:30:46

you don't have to make that choice. There's-

1:30:49

You got it under your head though. That is a

1:30:51

false choice. You do not need.

1:30:54

One does not beget the other. You can

1:30:56

buy either with either.

1:30:58

So I don't- If that's

1:31:01

a hypothetical, it's a non-existent hypothetical.

1:31:06

I prefer the GTS to the turbo because

1:31:08

the performance difference of the current

1:31:10

turbo is not functionally

1:31:12

usable most of the time. The

1:31:16

turbocharged engines, they both

1:31:18

come with turbocharged engines. They

1:31:20

both have that turbo surge feeling.

1:31:23

They're both very, very fast. One

1:31:26

is admittedly faster, but

1:31:29

where does that difference come into play? Over 100

1:31:31

miles an hour, basically.

1:31:35

And yes, it does come in rear wheel drive. It

1:31:37

does come in manual. It is lighter.

1:31:41

The handling of both

1:31:43

is comparable. The turbo

1:31:46

might be a little better than the GTS if

1:31:48

you have a track and a stopwatch, but

1:31:50

on the street, it's the same. It just doesn't

1:31:53

make any difference really. So

1:31:55

I would get a rear wheel drive GTS manual.

1:31:58

It's a lovely fucking car.

1:32:01

I don't think you should buy all-wheel drive Porsches

1:32:04

unless you really really need them They're

1:32:06

so good in the snow in rear wheel

1:32:08

drive like good tires on it Yeah, if

1:32:11

you live on a top of a mountain in Colorado

1:32:13

and you want to drive it all winter all-wheel drive

1:32:15

great Get it, but it is unnecessary

1:32:18

for performance reasons

1:32:20

so And but no shame

1:32:22

if that's what you want if that's what you want go go get it But

1:32:24

I don't I don't need the extra weight I

1:32:26

don't I don't need the extra traction

1:32:28

like a rear-wheel drive cars We don't have the separation

1:32:31

it used to be the regular cars were NA

1:32:34

and then turbo was the turbo

1:32:36

and now they're all turbo So it's

1:32:39

just like just less separate the extra power doesn't

1:32:41

get you very much in in terms

1:32:43

of real-world

1:32:44

use. Yeah

1:32:47

Someone got into an argument with me not a like

1:32:49

a fight but like at the grand seiko thing I

1:32:52

said that a version of that and they're like

1:32:54

but the turbos faster I go When

1:32:56

does that matter?

1:32:58

Just the he goes well when I'm

1:33:00

on the highway and I hit the gas so it goes faster

1:33:02

and I go okay But like how much

1:33:05

faster is it really than this other one

1:33:07

and how often do you accelerate

1:33:09

for long enough to feel that? Yes, superior speed

1:33:11

and I was talking to a guy who was wearing a watch that costs

1:33:14

more than a Porsche turbo So it's not like this

1:33:16

guy gave a fuck about money. He just wanted the fastest

1:33:19

one You're like, okay. Yeah fine get

1:33:21

the fastest one But like he could not

1:33:24

explain in a really functional rational

1:33:26

way other than he wanted to make

1:33:28

a pass Faster on the highway,

1:33:30

but you could still drive But I think he's the right customer

1:33:33

because his because his watch is worth

1:33:34

more than the car He wants to know that

1:33:36

he has the fastest sure and I totally you know,

1:33:38

I get it. Yeah, totally fine

1:33:41

But but it you know, it's it's

1:33:43

not any more fun. Just

1:33:45

cuz it goes faster

1:33:49

So person recommends

1:33:52

fountain pen friendly paper

1:33:55

if I want to use fountain

1:33:58

pens Rodea paper Does

1:34:01

well if wrote a paper if they make a moleskin

1:34:03

like notebook that would be great except I

1:34:05

bought 40 of these

1:34:07

you bought 40

1:34:09

WCCS

1:34:11

so I've given them to the managers and stuff

1:34:14

and VIPs who liked them so That's

1:34:17

a great suggestion, but I'm sitting on a few

1:34:20

And it won a notebook every two

1:34:22

years. I think it might take me a while

1:34:24

to get okay for your 94th birthday I

1:34:29

have probably 50

1:34:31

press launch Swag

1:34:33

moleskin and moleskin like notebooks at home

1:34:36

you need to give my can away You

1:34:39

know I just collect that's 90 notebooks I

1:34:41

collect weird shit like I it

1:34:43

makes sense why I would buy a box of 40

1:34:45

and I do give some of these away I probably have

1:34:48

I bought 40 I probably have 15 left

1:34:52

I should take three or four for myself

1:34:54

and make sure the rest go away, but

1:34:56

like

1:34:57

It's something about notebooks is very

1:34:59

satisfying to collect and it's just one little

1:35:01

shelf in my office and like I mean It's one

1:35:03

way to remember if someone go if someone

1:35:05

really wants one

1:35:07

Like Hanatope will take one and use it for

1:35:09

work and like people have been like hey

1:35:11

those that one's cool Can I and I will

1:35:13

give someone one? That's like a Jaguar one

1:35:15

or something if they're all embossed with the OEM

1:35:18

They are good like cut the cover off and

1:35:20

lay them out together and frame it because then it's like

1:35:22

here's 40 different press Like a

1:35:24

man, I wonder if I could do it as a shadow box

1:35:26

without actually cutting cutting the books

1:35:29

up It

1:35:29

would be a bummer to ruin the books That's

1:35:32

an interesting idea. I'm trying to think of a way

1:35:34

to make art. You know what interesting Oh, is

1:35:36

there just sitting there like yeah Otherwise

1:35:39

they're just sitting there and some of them are not good

1:35:41

for writing on

1:35:42

Summer too small some are too small some

1:35:44

are too which I like actually shoving those in the back pocket

1:35:47

sometimes But some the covers are like

1:35:49

kind of foamy like they're not like this

1:35:51

hard ish moleskin cover They're like foamy and

1:35:53

so you can't really open them the right way and

1:35:56

some it's like I could tell that they're cheaper

1:35:59

And if I start one

1:35:59

and I'll use it for like a month, it'll fall

1:36:02

apart. Like shout out to Moleskin, like

1:36:04

they make a durable ass notebook. I like

1:36:06

the Ferrari one's funny because it's got the binding at the top,

1:36:09

but it's long. So it won't fit in your pocket, but you feel like

1:36:11

a beat reporter, you're like, you know. Oh,

1:36:14

it's a flip pad? Yeah, it's like a detective, it's a flip pad.

1:36:16

Yeah, yeah. Okay,

1:36:19

a few, Derek Yagan has a few Amira

1:36:22

related questions. One,

1:36:24

do we have plans to test any of the other

1:36:26

powertrains? Yes, when

1:36:29

they come to Los

1:36:29

Angeles.

1:36:32

And do you think they'll significantly affect

1:36:34

the overall driving experience? Yes. I'm

1:36:37

sure the four cylinder turbo will. I drove, I

1:36:39

briefly drove the automatic with the V6 and

1:36:42

I thought it was a lot better than I expected it

1:36:44

to be. Whatever they've done

1:36:46

to the gearbox, it's not

1:36:48

a DCT, but it does bang

1:36:50

down shifts pretty decently. Like a ZF? Yeah,

1:36:54

it wasn't bad. I wouldn't buy it, but

1:36:56

it wasn't. I wouldn't buy it, but I

1:36:58

stopped making fun of it. There you go. And

1:37:02

the price point makes the Boxster

1:37:05

came in an easy comparison. Is

1:37:07

the Amira worth considering versus

1:37:09

something like an MC20? There's

1:37:12

not like twice as much. For a investor grade status in 10

1:37:14

or 20 years when ICE powered cars

1:37:17

see a resurgence like manual

1:37:19

cars are on the used market.

1:37:22

I don't, I mean,

1:37:25

oh, because he's saying because does

1:37:28

a manual car have a higher

1:37:31

potential for

1:37:33

a return on your investment

1:37:35

in 10 or 20 years? I mean,

1:37:37

versus an MC20? I

1:37:41

don't feel comfortable telling this person how to spend their $100,000 and

1:37:44

hope that they make the money back or make more, I

1:37:46

mean. Lotus's have

1:37:48

a floor.

1:37:49

Lotus manual transmission

1:37:52

lotuses are never worth less than

1:37:54

a certain price point.

1:37:57

And I think there will always

1:37:59

be a... market for analog,

1:38:02

lightweight, reliable,

1:38:05

simple, good looking, good sounding

1:38:07

cars. So I think you could buy

1:38:09

in a mirror and it will,

1:38:12

at first it will depreciate like a new

1:38:15

car will and then it will settle

1:38:18

and it will find a floor. A Vora's,

1:38:21

Elise's, even a Spree's

1:38:24

all have a floor

1:38:26

and that's because there is always a core

1:38:28

base of people who want a lightweight,

1:38:31

fun to drive manual transmission sports

1:38:33

car.

1:38:36

MC 20, I mean,

1:38:38

MC 20 is a $200,000 Maserati that's a carbon

1:38:41

tub car and is very nice

1:38:43

to drive. I mean,

1:38:45

I think that car will probably hold its value quite well

1:38:48

actually by Maserati standards. Yeah,

1:38:50

and the MSRP of the one that car driver tested

1:38:52

was $260. They're expensive. They

1:38:54

are expensive. Yeah. And my brain,

1:38:56

and granted this is all speculation, is that the

1:38:59

price of that car is near Huracan. It's

1:39:01

well near a 488 price or a used 488 price rather.

1:39:05

Like does it have the draw of

1:39:08

those cars, of those exotic cars? I don't know. Whereas

1:39:10

a Lotus is more individual. It's very special. Chappie

1:39:15

says Ferrari used to famously juice

1:39:17

their press cars. Have either of you driven a

1:39:19

press car that at the time or

1:39:21

after driving a regular version you thought

1:39:24

was non-standard? I have not. I

1:39:26

mean, I've told the story a million times, but

1:39:28

the only car I can remember that I think was an ex-Ferrari

1:39:31

press car was the Gotham

1:39:31

Dream Cars 360, which

1:39:34

was fucking juiced to high heaven. It

1:39:36

was ridiculously fast.

1:39:39

And I've

1:39:43

never had the opportunity to drive a

1:39:45

modern Ferrari provided by Ferrari

1:39:48

or any other car close enough

1:39:50

back to back with a privately owned one

1:39:53

where I ... That kind of

1:39:55

thing just doesn't come up. I'm

1:39:58

not ... There

1:40:01

might be people who get to do that, but I've

1:40:03

never been driven, gone from the press car

1:40:05

to a regular one, and certainly not

1:40:07

on an area where you could

1:40:10

really tell.

1:40:11

So I don't know, no. But that 360 was,

1:40:14

I could almost guarantee you that was a press car, because

1:40:17

it was fucking insanely fast. Sounded

1:40:19

like a race motor in it.

1:40:20

It was so cool. I loved that car so much.

1:40:23

Alternatively, there's a chance it wasn't.

1:40:26

That car had 120,000 miles on it. At

1:40:28

the time, it could have been that that

1:40:31

car run in service

1:40:33

properly and had the shit kicked

1:40:35

out of it every day of its life, made

1:40:37

it the best driving 360 of all time.

1:40:40

I mean, that's also possible. And

1:40:43

I know people that have really high mileage Ferraris,

1:40:45

and all of them say they drive amazing.

1:40:48

They run better than they do in their

1:40:50

little miles. The cars that have high

1:40:52

miles and are beat on constantly

1:40:55

run better,

1:40:56

if you do the maintenance properly. So we gotta do a lot

1:40:58

of miles in your Countach and beat the shit

1:41:00

out of it. I run the Ferrari pretty good. Totally

1:41:04

don't give a fuck about miles.

1:41:07

People who say that, people say that about Countachas

1:41:09

too.

1:41:09

The Countachas that are run really hard run

1:41:11

good. It's like wine. It'll get better as it gets older. Yeah.

1:41:16

Kevin McCann looking for a four seater manual

1:41:18

coupe to Canyon Carve and do some track

1:41:20

work. Have a Boxster S already.

1:41:23

Need back seats for the kids. Budget 35,000. M235i

1:41:27

or new BRZ86, which would be better

1:41:29

for the task.

1:41:34

The back seat is much more usable

1:41:36

than the M235i. It's

1:41:39

a bigger car. And

1:41:41

yeah, I mean, I don't know how old your kids, depends on how old your

1:41:43

kids are and how quickly they're gonna grow. Yeah.

1:41:46

I feel like kids from two to

1:41:47

five are about the same size and then they go, whoop,

1:41:50

and all of a sudden legroom matters. I mean, there's also

1:41:52

other alternatives. You've got Mustang

1:41:54

and Camaro, both of which offer variants

1:41:58

that handle incredibly.

1:41:59

well and are ready for the track 1LE's,

1:42:02

Fitz Camaro's, or Performance

1:42:05

Pack 2 cars if they're Mustangs. Yeah,

1:42:12

either any of those

1:42:14

would be just fine. $35,000 is a

1:42:16

decent amount of money for something like

1:42:18

that.

1:42:19

Yeah. I think I would also get which

1:42:21

one has the most legroom, and I'd

1:42:24

go with that. You could also get an E92 M3 for $35,000. It'll

1:42:26

be a used one, but it's doable. Definitely

1:42:30

doable.

1:42:34

R Bobby, if budget

1:42:37

for all of your cars was $100,000 combined,

1:42:39

how many would you own and what would you own?

1:42:42

I would

1:42:43

probably, for $100,000 limited, I'd probably have two cars.

1:42:49

I'd probably try to have a

1:42:50

Boxster S and

1:42:54