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The settlers made their money. From
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one drug in particular. An
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opioid painkiller could. oxycontin.
2:52
Oxycontin unleashed an opioid
2:54
crisis. That continues to
2:56
kill tens of thousands. Of Americans
2:58
as a year. Many
3:01
people blame. For cyclists on
3:03
a serious crisis, but there's hardly
3:05
been held accountable. Site.
3:08
Last year the Us Supreme Court heard
3:10
arguments about one of the highest. Price
3:13
are bankruptcies As a. Dot
3:15
As Thirty Sauna, The Sacks
3:17
and Company that created Oxycontin.
3:20
The. Nine justices have a huge decision
3:23
to make. Well. The
3:25
Sat close settlements and. If
3:28
it does, the Sat close and thirty
3:30
salma will pay out as a six
3:32
billion dollars. And for the
3:34
first time during the opioid crisis, hundreds
3:36
of millions of dollars will actually go
3:38
to victims. But it will
3:41
mean that the Sat Close will be
3:43
shielded from any future civil litigation. No.
3:46
One will ever. Be able to see
3:48
them. And if the settlement
3:50
collapses. Well. Then. The
3:52
Sat Close won't have that immunity that
3:54
a chance of compensation down to the
3:57
victims. becomes much more difficult
4:01
My colleagues David Taylor, Phoebe Davis
4:03
and Xavier Greenwood have spent weeks
4:06
talking to people involved in the case,
4:08
and many of those directly affected by
4:10
the opioid crisis. I'll
4:12
hand over to David now. If
4:17
you've watched Dopesick or read
4:19
Patrick Raddinkief's bestseller, Empire of
4:21
Pain, you know the beginning
4:23
and the middle of this story. In
4:26
opioid epidemic, hundreds of thousands of
4:29
deaths are family blamed for the
4:31
way they fueled the crisis, but
4:33
no criminal charges against a single
4:36
SACLA. It's the
4:38
ending of the story that's elusive. What
4:41
happened to the SACLAs? So
4:44
I'm going to bring you right up
4:46
to date, starting not under the Corinthian
4:48
columns of the Supreme Court, but in
4:50
some country gardens outside of London. So
4:52
we're just walking around the side of
4:54
the house past the lions
4:56
on their pedestals, and coming
4:58
up to a fountain in the
5:00
middle of a lovely former garden, and on
5:03
the side of the house there's just an amazing
5:06
show of yellow honey ...
5:08
Thanks to the National Garden Scheme, we've got
5:10
a ticket to go behind the walls and
5:12
gates of a private garden at Rook's
5:15
Nest. Strictly speaking,
5:17
the estate seems to officially belong
5:19
to a long list of offshore
5:21
trusts in Bermuda and Jersey, but
5:23
it's where generations of SACLAs have
5:25
come over the years to celebrate
5:28
family moments and enjoy their riches.
5:31
It's a place that's usually shielded from the
5:33
world, still home to Dame Theresa
5:36
Sackler, one of the key figures in
5:38
the Opioid Empire, who was on the
5:40
board of Purdue Farmer for 25 years.
5:45
It's pretty extraordinary. The
5:47
high gates are 10 acres of
5:50
gardens around a mansion in the
5:52
Berkshire countryside. There's a chapel which
5:54
has been turned into an indoor pool, a
5:56
hot tub where the altar would have been,
5:59
there's a giant S set
6:01
into the terrace. You can't get in
6:03
through the front door without realising
6:06
that this is the sanctuary of
6:08
the sacros. It's part
6:10
of the real estate empire built up
6:12
by the sacre family, in enclaves from
6:14
the Swiss Alps and the French Riviera
6:16
to the elite zip codes of New
6:18
York, New England and Florida. And
6:22
the thing is, great wealth and high
6:24
walls can make a family feel untouchable.
6:28
But it's an illusion. The
6:30
sacros realised long ago that high
6:33
walls might not keep them safe
6:35
forever. I'm a convinced and taught
6:37
healer I should was hunt for
6:39
the sacros time. It's
6:46
the 17th of May 2007 and a moment
6:48
of maximum jeopardy. The
6:52
sacros are panicking. Purdue
6:55
Pharma has just pled guilty to
6:58
three felony charges. They've
7:00
admitted that they misled
7:02
regulators, doctors and patients
7:04
about the risks of
7:06
Oxycontin. The drug that
7:08
made them rich is killing people.
7:11
And government and law enforcement are
7:14
starting to pay attention. The
7:17
sacros family company is hit with fines
7:19
of 674 million dollars. But
7:23
the pressure doesn't end there. For
7:26
five years, Purdue's books and
7:28
records showing it's billions of
7:30
dollars of assets would be
7:32
open to the federal government.
7:35
They'll be able to check that the company
7:37
has been run with integrity. And
7:40
for the sacros, all of
7:42
this spells trouble. Jonathan
7:44
Sackler, son of one of the
7:46
founders of Purdue, emails his relatives
7:48
with an anecdote. Your
7:50
family is already rich, an investment banker
7:52
once told him, the one thing
7:54
you don't want to do is to become poor.
7:57
David Sackler, his nephew, then still has a
7:59
family. in his twenties shoots back
8:02
the very same day. What
8:04
do you think is going on in all these courtrooms
8:06
right now? We're rich? For
8:08
how long? Until which suits
8:11
get through to the family? David Sackler
8:13
suggests that the family leave her up
8:15
in case more lawsuits come their way.
8:17
We may well need it, even if we have to keep
8:19
it in cash. It's better to have the
8:22
leverage now while we can get it than thinking it will
8:24
be there for us when we get sued. For
8:27
a decade after the launch of
8:29
their lucrative painkiller OxyContin, the Sacklers
8:31
are worried that they might lose
8:33
everything. Less
8:35
than a week after David Sackler sends
8:38
his email, senior family members meet with
8:40
a bankruptcy attorney. And in
8:42
the following months, as the Sacklers
8:44
fret about being personally sued, they
8:46
talk about selling Purdue or pulling
8:48
out cash. They
8:52
choose the cash. It's
9:02
a far cry from the
9:04
1990s when Purdue Pharma and
9:06
the Sacklers are flying high.
9:09
By the time the Sacklers launch OxyContin in 1996,
9:13
Purdue already has a successful opioid
9:16
on the market, a morphine pill
9:18
called MS-Contin that is used to
9:20
manage the pain of cancer patients.
9:24
But OxyContin is a route to an
9:26
even bigger market. Once
9:35
you've found the right doctor and have told
9:38
him or her about your pain, don't
9:40
be afraid to take what they give you. Chronic
9:43
pain relief for routine
9:46
medical emergencies, arthritis, accidents
9:48
at work, even dental
9:50
work, those patients are getting 68
9:54
million prescriptions a year in the
9:56
US. because
10:00
they're perceived as too strong or
10:03
addictive. They're people who are looking for
10:05
something to get them through the day-to-day
10:07
pain. But that is far from actual
10:09
fact. OxyContin
10:12
is a hit. But
10:17
the realities of OxyContin are concealed.
10:19
It's potent and addictive. One and
10:21
a half times more powerful and
10:24
morphine. But that's not how it's
10:26
marketed. It's sold as a
10:28
medicine for long-term use. The
10:30
drug to start with and to stay
10:33
with. And Sackler's sales
10:35
reps use misleading tactics. They rely
10:37
on deeply flawed research to play
10:40
down addiction risks. And they are
10:42
instructed by managers never to use
10:44
language that might scare doctors. We
10:46
can show that we are as
10:48
quote-unquote effective as morphine. But do not
10:51
want to say OxyContin is as quote-unquote
10:53
powerful as morphine. Words
10:56
such as powerful may make some
10:58
people think drug is dangerous. But
11:00
the drug is dangerous. And across
11:03
the US families fall into a
11:05
spiral of despair, dependency and death.
11:08
It's my belief that from that point on
11:10
is when he started to do pills. People
11:13
who prescribe the drug become addicted
11:15
and people who misuse the drug
11:18
soon learn that if it's crushed
11:20
and snorted or injected the drug's
11:22
slow release can be overridden to
11:24
deliver the full impact in one
11:26
hit. Grief is... unless
11:30
you've lost a child you can't really
11:32
even explain it. It's the
11:34
most horrific thing
11:37
that holds onto your heart that
11:39
won't let go. Cheryl
11:42
Joair is a leader in the legal
11:44
fight against the Sackler family. Before that
11:46
she was mothered to three boys. Bobby
11:50
the eldest became a police officer. Sean
11:53
and Corey ended up on a different
11:55
path. I was married to my
11:57
husband who was an alcoholic. I
12:00
was. Brought. Up to believe that
12:02
when you get married you to stay married
12:04
and that's how it's gonna be sick. They
12:06
all had the same dad and that was
12:08
really important to me. But when we. Split
12:10
up. The. Boys
12:12
became idolize. They. Were
12:14
like everything to me. I didn't
12:17
miss or a football game of
12:19
baseball game. A wrestling match. I
12:21
didn't miss anything because I wanted them
12:23
to have as much. Of a
12:25
normal upbringing as possible. The.
12:28
Oldest to were like twins almost because
12:31
they were fourteen months apart. I have
12:33
a picture of Corey learning to walk.
12:35
It was actually on his first birthday
12:38
going from one brother to the other
12:40
Because of a big difference in age
12:42
he they really watched over him. When.
12:45
He was a teenager korea had a
12:47
hernia surgery and was given a pain
12:50
prescription. He. Became addicted
12:52
as you become aware that
12:54
he had moved from. Opioid
12:57
painkillers on. On
13:00
to illegal jokes. On to heroin.
13:02
I had a suspicion. But.
13:06
I wanted to block it out. I didn't want to
13:08
believe that. Although I remember one
13:10
time on the sacking the bathroom door down because
13:12
he wouldn't come out and she was in their
13:14
suit. not. And to side mom just I'll
13:17
be on the men it just. Go.
13:19
Away you know in like what are
13:21
you taking so long for. And
13:24
my heart just melted because I thought the
13:26
see in they're. Doing. Something he
13:29
shouldn't be doing. Today, the United
13:31
States has come in the cost of
13:33
the opioid epidemic. One and
13:35
a half trillion dollars a year.
13:37
And. More than two point seven million
13:40
Americans are addicted to opioids. So
13:42
Korea was living in Boston. She.
13:44
Was having issues with his girlfriend at the
13:46
time and they had of. Four a
13:48
month old daughter. I was living in
13:51
Florida. And. He just
13:53
needs a break and one to call to make sure
13:55
that he had a ride to the airport so that
13:57
in a we. could connect and
13:59
And there was no answer on his
14:01
phone. By dinnertime,
14:03
I started to pace because it wasn't
14:05
like him to not answer the phone.
14:09
And I was leaving him messages. Cory, call me. I need
14:11
to talk to you. I want to make sure you have
14:13
a ride to the airport. I
14:15
just had that gut. It was just a gut
14:17
feeling. And I called
14:19
my oldest son, the police officer
14:21
who was living in Massachusetts, and I said, Bobby, I
14:23
can't get a hold of Cory. He's
14:26
supposed to be on an airplane
14:28
tomorrow morning. And
14:30
so he said, I'll have the Arlington police
14:32
go do a wellness check. And
14:36
so we waited and waited and waited.
14:39
And Bobby called and my
14:41
husband answered the phone. And
14:43
Bobby said, I want to
14:46
talk to mom. And he says, you can tell me.
14:48
He says, no, I need to talk to mom. And
14:51
so when I got the phone call, he said,
14:53
mom, Cory's dead. And
14:57
I just screamed and
15:00
dropped to the floor and just I
15:03
was hysterical, hysterical. And
15:06
as a matter of fact, she's had to go to
15:08
counseling because of that scream because he couldn't get it
15:10
out of his head. I don't
15:12
know where it came from, but that was the scream
15:14
of losing my child. It's
15:17
a tragic story repeated in so
15:19
many families. Since OxyContin
15:21
was brought to market, over 700,000
15:24
Americans have died from opioid-related overdoses.
15:30
Many of those who died had probably never
15:33
heard of the Sackler family, but it was
15:35
the Sacklers who sat on the board of
15:37
Purdue Pharma, the company behind OxyContin. Front
15:40
and center was Richard Sackler. Do you know
15:42
how much the Sackler family has made off
15:45
the sale of OxyContin? I don't know. I'm
15:49
fair to say it's over a billion dollars. It
15:52
would be fair to say that, yes. A
15:54
Brusk intellectual, he led the company,
15:56
sparring with his cousin Kathy and
15:58
grooming his family. son David for
16:00
a leading role. Richard is
16:03
79 now and he lives in a
16:05
mansion on a golf course in Florida.
16:07
He was the key figure in the
16:09
research, launch and marketing of OxyContin. The
16:12
way the sales scheme was set up,
16:14
if they sold more OxyContin, they made
16:16
more money. Yes, same
16:18
as almost every other
16:21
company in the industry. One of the
16:23
advantages of more than 20 years of
16:25
litigation against Purdue Pharma is that a
16:28
lot of internal information is now
16:30
in the public domain. Emails,
16:32
field reports, board presentations.
16:35
It's a paper trail of all
16:38
the kinds that the Sacklers, especially
16:40
Richard, should have said enough. As
16:43
early as 1997 reports
16:45
were coming back from sales reps
16:47
with hundreds of references to terms
16:49
like crush and snort. And
16:52
word was reaching Purdue from its sales force
16:54
that there was a credibility problem. One
16:57
wrote, many physicians now think
16:59
OxyContin is obviously the street
17:01
drug all the drug addicts
17:03
are seeking. But
17:05
Richard Sackler seemed impervious to the
17:07
mounting dangers of OxyContin. In
17:10
a confidential email in 2001 he wrote,
17:12
we have to hammer on the abusers
17:14
in every way possible. They are the
17:17
culprits in the problem. They are reckless
17:19
criminals. And even after
17:21
Purdue pleaded guilty to the felony
17:23
charges in 2007, that moment which
17:26
put the Sacklers in a panic,
17:28
the family were still focused on
17:30
making profits. When the
17:32
market for OxyContin began to shrink,
17:34
after the drug was reformulated to
17:36
make it harder to abuse, the
17:39
Sacklers demanded more aggressive sales tactics.
17:41
We brought in the consultancy giant
17:44
for McKinsey who suggested an approach
17:46
that they called turbocharging the sales
17:48
engine. McKinsey discovered that
17:51
7% of doctors who prescribed
17:53
OxyContin were responsible for writing
17:55
more than half of all
17:58
prescriptions. it
18:00
then and sales go up.
18:03
Richard Sackler sent an email to one of his
18:05
cousins saying that the
18:07
discoveries of McKinsey were astonishing.
18:11
There's a key moment in August 2013
18:13
when McKinsey
18:15
made a presentation to the Purge-U
18:17
board. One
18:19
of the McKinsey partners wrote that
18:22
the room was filled with only
18:24
Sackler family members who were extremely
18:26
supportive of the findings, they gave
18:28
a ringing endorsement of moving forward
18:31
first. This
18:33
is one of those moments where
18:35
the Sacklers could have said enough.
18:40
Everyone in the room knew that
18:42
Oxycontin was a danger to America,
18:44
but the Sackler family kept going.
18:49
We know now in the years after
18:52
Purge-U's guilty pleas and all those panicked
18:54
emails, the Sacklers did take
18:56
billions of dollars out of the company.
18:59
They put it into a complex collection of
19:02
trusts, many of them in offshore locations
19:04
like Bermuda, and in 2018 justice caught
19:08
up with them again. This time
19:10
it was personal. Massachusetts Attorney General
19:13
Maura Healy was the first
19:15
to name specific members of
19:17
the Sackler family in her
19:19
lawsuit, saying eight people
19:21
in a single family made
19:23
the choices that caused much
19:26
of the opioid epidemic. Going
19:28
after the Sacklers individually broke new
19:31
ground. They were in the
19:33
boardroom, they owned the company. One of
19:35
the Sackler family members went so far
19:38
as to want to get in the
19:40
car, with produce sales reps and drive
19:42
around to visit doctor's offices to try
19:45
to sell more Oxy. And
19:47
for Cheryl Duair, who'd already lost
19:49
one son as part of the
19:51
opioid crisis, it was a moment
19:53
of sudden realisation. of
20:00
parents in there that have all lost a child to
20:02
substance use disorder. And it
20:04
wasn't until Maura Healy filed
20:06
that lawsuit that
20:08
I connected the dots. It
20:12
was unbelievable. It was the
20:14
Sacklers and how they marketed their
20:17
drugs that led to all
20:19
these kids dying. And
20:21
so August
20:24
18th, 2018, I believe, was shortly after she
20:26
filed that complaint, I
20:31
organized a march around Purdue Pharmaceuticals.
20:34
And I put it out there in a group and we had 400 parents
20:37
show up. Taking
20:39
the fight to the Sacklers, she wanted to
20:41
take them down. She joined
20:43
thousands of parents protesting the family and
20:46
joined the lawsuit against them. But
20:49
at home, she was reminded why she
20:51
was seeking justice. Now
20:53
her second son, Sean, was struggling with
20:55
opioids. And just
20:57
as the Sacklers came into Cheryl's sights, Sean
21:00
relapsed. He had had a
21:02
bad day and he went into
21:04
his father-in-law's medicine cabinet who
21:06
was dying of cancer. And
21:09
he had a bottle of Oxycontin in there and
21:12
he took one. And that was the beginning of his relapse.
21:17
Purdue Pharma was facing thousands of
21:19
cases brought by states and cities
21:21
and counties across the US. If
21:23
you piled them all up, the claims amounted to
21:25
more than $40 trillion. If
21:29
the cases got to court, the first
21:31
successful lawsuit could wipe them out. So
21:34
in 2019, the Sacklers agreed to
21:36
a new strategy. With
21:38
lots of money safely taken out
21:41
of Purdue, the family company declared
21:43
itself bankrupt. My name
21:45
is Aric Price. I am a bankruptcy
21:47
lawyer at Eakin Gump Strauss, Howard &
21:50
Feld in New York. For
21:52
the last five years, I have
21:54
been involved in the Opioid Chapter
21:56
11 bankruptcies. A
21:58
number of companies, including... Purdue. Arek
22:01
Price has been dealing with the
22:03
impact of the opioid crisis, fielding
22:05
calls from its victims and their
22:07
families for years. These five
22:09
years have been very difficult
22:12
for me, but I always remind myself
22:14
my job is one
22:17
one thousand one one millionth as
22:20
difficult as the job of a parent who
22:22
was buried a child. When
22:25
bankruptcy lawyers get involved, as Arek Price
22:27
puts it, they have a very simple
22:29
ambition. We're trying to get the most money
22:31
we can, the quickest amount of time for the most amount
22:33
of people. It's a simple
22:36
ambition and a very complicated process.
22:38
The ugly messy politics of this
22:40
saga within a saga has never
22:42
really been laid bare. So
22:45
let's start at the end. Right
22:48
now, everyone is waiting for the US
22:50
Supreme Court to make its decision. It
22:53
should come by the end of June this year.
22:56
Here's what's at stake. A bankruptcy
22:58
deal has been reached where the
23:00
Sacklers and their company, Purdue Pharma,
23:02
would pay more than six billion
23:04
dollars in compensation. Most
23:07
of the money would go to
23:09
states, cities and counties across America
23:11
to fund treatment, recovery and prevention
23:13
of opioid addiction. It will
23:15
save countless lives. And
23:18
for the first time, thousands
23:20
of victims of the opioid
23:22
epidemic, grieving families, recovery addicts,
23:24
children whose health has been
23:26
damaged, they would share in
23:28
some of the money $750 million. It
23:33
doesn't sound like much. At most people
23:35
will get $48,000. Lots
23:38
will get less than that and some might not
23:40
get anything at all. Most
23:42
people would put the cost of a life a lot more
23:44
than $48,000. Well,
23:48
it's something and it's never
23:50
happened before. But there are strings attached
23:52
to the deal. The biggest one is
23:54
this. The Sackler family
23:56
members will be shielded from ever
23:58
being sued. Even
24:01
though the Sacklers have not personally
24:03
declared themselves bankrupt, they would be
24:05
protected from future civil lawsuits. The
24:09
deal was approved by a bankruptcy court judge.
24:12
It was sold as a huge
24:14
triumph by President Trump's Department of
24:16
Justice about three weeks
24:18
before the 2020 presidential election against
24:20
Joe Biden. The Department of Justice
24:22
is announcing a global resolution of
24:25
our criminal and civil investigations to
24:28
the opioid manufacturer Purdue Pharma, as
24:31
well as a civil resolution with
24:33
members... But behind the scenes, negotiations
24:35
have been fraught. At
24:38
first, a group of Republican states agreed a
24:40
deal with the Sacklers where the family would
24:42
pay $3 billion over
24:44
seven years in compensation,
24:48
and Purdue would contribute all of its
24:50
value. But none of the
24:52
Democratic states backed the deal. Then
24:54
the 2020 US election happened.
24:56
President Trump loses, Biden wins. And
24:59
for a period of months thereafter,
25:02
I can tell you that the
25:04
relations between the Republican, the
25:06
so-called consenting states, and the
25:09
non-consenting states, the ones
25:11
who were civil war, became pretty icy.
25:13
What was the Democratic state's
25:16
principal objection? Too little
25:18
money. There were some
25:20
Democratic states that wanted
25:22
just more money. Some of them
25:24
were focused on taking the
25:27
Sacklers' name off of buildings. Some
25:30
of them were focused on getting an apology. Through
25:33
negotiations, more Democratic states did get
25:35
on board. The total pot
25:37
grew to $6 billion. Those
25:40
who stood to gain were states
25:42
and cities that had lost out
25:44
on taxes and paid out on
25:47
unnecessary prescriptions, private hospitals that
25:49
lost money, Native American tribes
25:51
hit hard by addiction, and
25:53
of course the victims and their families.
25:56
They Won't all get a share of the payout, but $140,000.
26:00
The part of the case. But.
26:02
The story didn't end there because not
26:04
everyone was happy. The. Deal which
26:06
was first took to the Trump Administration
26:09
was challenge by the Department of Justice
26:11
under the new President Joe Biden. Bidens.
26:14
Department of Justice argued that the Bankruptcy
26:16
court had gone beyond it's powers when
26:18
it agreed to that immunity shield for
26:21
the settlers. It. Looked like
26:23
bad politics for the democrats. Support
26:25
the deal and you help create
26:27
a back for billionaires to escape
26:30
personal responsibility. To the
26:32
D O J appealed the decision to
26:34
let the settlement go forward. By.
26:37
This time several to I was
26:39
part of the bankruptcy process on
26:41
a committee representing thousands of families
26:43
battling for a deal that would
26:45
put billions of dollars in saving
26:47
lives. Put. Everything in the court
26:50
start to drag. And. It
26:52
was too late for her second son.
26:55
My. Oldest son to start. had just
26:57
graduated high school. And. He
26:59
was having a party for her on Saturday.
27:02
And so on Friday I was going to
27:04
pick sign up. After work.
27:08
Bring. Him to my house she was
27:10
can sleep overnight and then go to
27:12
the party the next morning. I
27:15
drove down with my husband to the Cape
27:17
which is about an hour from my house.
27:20
She. Wasn't ready. When.
27:22
We got there. And
27:24
my husband went up to the room,
27:26
knocking on the door and open the
27:29
door. an infant son. He had been.
27:32
Gone. There was nothing that could save them.
27:35
I walked up to the top of
27:38
the stairs, his room was right there
27:40
and he was sitting kitty corner on
27:42
the floor between the bed in the
27:44
wall. So really, All I could see
27:46
was the top of his head because it
27:48
was bent over and his shoulders. So.
27:51
i never saw his face or anything but
27:53
i was able to see my son and
27:56
tell him from much i loved him before
28:00
he left. It's
28:03
been the same story too little
28:05
too late for many more families.
28:08
Purdue has been in bankruptcy since
28:12
September of 2019. That means that
28:15
216,000 people have
28:18
died from opiate overdose since
28:21
the Purdue case began. And
28:24
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28:26
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a potential watershed moment in the
30:28
opioid epidemic, today the Supreme Court
30:30
will review a $6 billion bankruptcy
30:32
settlement between Purdue Pharma, the maker
30:35
of OxyContin, and the victims and
30:37
communities ravaged by the opioid crisis.
30:40
In December 2023, oral arguments were
30:42
heard in the Supreme Court. Lawyers
30:45
for the victims and for Purdue
30:47
Pharma argued passionately for
30:49
the Sackler deal. Let me
30:51
be crystal clear. Without the
30:53
release, the plan will unravel and
30:55
there will be no viable path
30:58
to any victim recovery.
31:01
President Biden's Solicitor General argued against
31:03
it. This court should hold that
31:05
non-consensual third-party releases are not authorized
31:07
by the bankruptcy code. It permits
31:09
the Sacklers to decide how much
31:11
they're going to contribute. It
31:14
grants the Sacklers the functional equivalent of
31:16
a discharge. Some justices
31:18
seemed sympathetic to those who favour the
31:20
deal. Overwhelming the support for
31:22
this deal, and among people who have
31:24
no love for the Sacklers, among people
31:27
who think that the Sacklers are pretty
31:29
much the worst people on earth. But
31:31
others worry that the Sacklers are getting
31:34
too much protection without actually declaring themselves
31:36
bankrupt, that it might set
31:38
an unwelcome precedent. When we look
31:40
at the background structure of the
31:42
bankruptcy code, it has a
31:44
couple of important provisions. One
31:46
is you've got to put everything on the table, as we've
31:49
been discussing. The
31:52
other is that, at least with respect to individuals,
31:54
you don't get off the hook for fraud. Families
31:58
and lawyers are furious. that
32:00
the Department of Justice is willing to blow
32:02
up the deal even though all the groups
32:04
of creditors wanted to go through. In
32:07
fact, the only organisation arguing that
32:09
the deal should be struck down
32:11
is the Department of Justice. It
32:14
invites the question why? There
32:17
is a legal argument that the DOJ
32:19
and the Solicitor General are pursuing, but
32:22
there might be something else going on. I
32:24
believe it was all politically motivated. I
32:27
believe that at the end of the day, the Democratic
32:30
SG's office basically
32:33
was either going to try
32:35
to undo this plan and
32:37
the original Trump settlement, and
32:41
if they couldn't, they could
32:43
at least say, well, we did
32:45
everything we could in the Supreme Court
32:47
ruled against us, as
32:49
opposed to yes, we laid down and we agreed to
32:51
settle. Anne
32:54
Andrews, another lawyer acting for
32:56
families, agrees. Her guess
32:58
is that the Biden administration is
33:00
trying to avoid political blowback. They
33:02
don't want to be blamed in
33:06
places that may affect the outcome
33:08
of elections. We contacted the
33:10
DOJ, but they said they
33:12
don't comment on ongoing litigation. Whatever
33:16
the DOJ's motivations, their record with Perdue
33:18
spanning the Bush, Obama, Trump and Biden
33:20
years is awful. Remember, in 2007, Perdue
33:22
had pleaded guilty, their
33:28
books had been open, and yet no one
33:30
in government acted when the Sacklers started moving
33:33
around Perdue's cash. The Sacklers realized, they're like,
33:36
oh my goodness, oh
33:40
my goodness, eventually they're going
33:42
to come after us. Eventually they're going
33:44
to come after all the money. So
33:46
let's start moving it. They
33:49
effectively moved out of Perdue $11
33:52
billion in that decade. It
33:54
seems like a failure of oversight.
33:56
The DOJ reaches the settlement in
34:00
They take 674 million, they prosecute not one
34:02
Sackler. For
34:08
the next five years they have access
34:11
to the books and records of Purdue,
34:13
and that's when the Sacklers take the
34:15
most money out of Purdue. And
34:18
the only body to have had any
34:20
money from the Sacklers since the settlement
34:23
negotiations began is the Department of Justice.
34:26
That's because in 2020 Trump's DOJ
34:28
settled its civil claim for $225
34:30
million and the Sacklers paid
34:34
up. The money went to
34:37
the US Treasury and none has been used
34:39
to deal with the opioid crisis. The
34:42
million dollar, or maybe the six
34:44
billion dollar question, is this. How
34:47
much money have the Sacklers really got? The
34:51
bankruptcy process has given us a detailed
34:53
but incomplete picture. Here's what
34:55
we do know. We know they took
34:57
$11 billion out of the company
34:59
between 2007 and 2018 and paid $4.5 billion back
35:06
in taxes. And a breakdown
35:08
of the money and holdings of the
35:10
families show that even after this they
35:12
still had net assets of more than
35:14
$11 billion. So
35:17
in spite of paying $4.5 billion in
35:19
taxes, by 2020 they seemed
35:21
to have made that money back. Confidential
35:24
documents put into the public domain
35:26
by a congressional committee reveal a
35:28
network of dozens of trusts linked
35:30
to the Sacklers. The
35:32
trust names are blacked out but
35:34
the cash figures show many multi-million
35:37
dollar funds. Other details
35:39
made public show $950 million
35:41
in cash, international drug companies valued
35:44
at a billion dollars, and a
35:46
global real estate empire valued at
35:48
another billion dollars. All
35:50
of the main family members also benefit
35:52
from a series of joint trusts. And
35:55
individual net assets are listed like
35:57
this. Teresa has a hundred dollars.
36:00
Cathy, $150 million. Richard, $166.5 million. And Richard's son
36:02
David has $1,000. David
36:15
Sackler was on the Perdue Board between 2012 and 2018.
36:17
He had a background in finance, set
36:22
up his own hedge fund and then
36:24
created a family investment company. He lives
36:26
in a Florida mansion bought just before
36:28
Perdue filed for bankruptcy. He
36:30
appears to manage his money in a different
36:33
way to other family members and declared net
36:35
assets of $1,000. So
36:38
as I said, this is an incomplete picture.
36:40
We don't know how much their investments have
36:43
made in the past few years. What
36:45
we do know is that they're still in
36:47
the opioid business. Mundy
36:49
Pharma, an international pharmaceutical company
36:52
controlled and held for the
36:54
benefit of the Sackler family,
36:56
continues to sell painkillers, including
36:58
OxyContin, outside of the US.
37:02
That's not all. Mundy
37:04
Pharma has also been
37:06
working with King's College
37:08
London on the other
37:10
side of the opioid
37:12
market. In 2019, even as other
37:14
universities were distancing themselves from the Sacklers,
37:17
King's accepted over $1.5 million
37:19
from Mundy Pharma for an ongoing study.
37:22
The study is trialing the community use of
37:24
a nasal spray, which can be used
37:26
to stop someone dying of an opioid
37:28
overdose. This is Phoebe Davis, who's been
37:31
reporting this story with me. In
37:33
the past, King's has also received millions
37:35
from the Dr Mortimer and Teresa Sackler
37:37
Foundation to fund the Neurodevelopment Research Centre.
37:40
When we contacted King's, they said they had
37:42
cut ties with the foundation and that no
37:44
new studies with Mundy Pharma will take place.
37:47
Mundy Pharma told us it doesn't profit from the
37:49
nasal spray they developed with King's. farmer
38:00
and its offshoots and put a billion
38:02
and a half dollars from the sale
38:04
into the settlement. So, if
38:07
the bankruptcy deal goes through, the Sacklers
38:09
will definitely take a hit, but they'll
38:11
still be very rich. The
38:14
alternative, the deal collapses at the Supreme
38:16
Court and lawyers for the victims have
38:18
to start all over again with the
38:20
risk that the Sackler fortune is completely
38:22
out of reach. If
38:25
the deal collapses, Republicans will blame
38:27
Biden for killing the deal for
38:29
opioid victims. Biden will say, we
38:32
can't allow immunity for billionaires. If
38:35
it goes ahead, Republicans will claim victory
38:37
and say they were architects of a
38:39
historic deal for victims. Biden will say,
38:41
we tried to hold billionaires to account,
38:43
but the Supreme Court stopped us. Predicting
38:47
the opinions of the Supreme Court
38:49
involves educated guesswork, but the justices
38:51
appear to be split. This
38:54
is the lawyer, Anne Andrews, again. We
38:56
use our connections, colleagues
38:59
in the Supreme Court bar, this inner
39:01
circle of lawyers who can
39:04
divine. They watch,
39:06
they study their
39:09
experience at describing
39:11
how they think the court is going to react.
39:14
It's going to be, in their
39:16
opinion, closely
39:19
divided. They're
39:22
expecting a five to
39:24
four decision and everyone I
39:26
talk to, it's about even
39:28
on as to whether it will be affirmed or
39:30
whether it will be overturned. But
39:33
it's really a cliffhanger. As
39:35
for the Sacklers, where are they now
39:38
as they wait on the justices' decision?
39:42
Dame Theresa lives in that beautiful
39:44
Berkshire Manor house, though she's not
39:46
on the gallery circuit anymore. Kathy
39:50
Sackler seems to split her time
39:52
between Connecticut and New York's Upper
39:54
East Side. Richard
40:01
and his son David, they live just
40:03
down the road from each other in
40:05
Boca Raton, Florida, a wealthy haven of
40:07
golf courses and beaches. The
40:09
family and the board acted legally
40:12
and ethically. Even
40:14
now, none of them have apologised for
40:16
their role in the opioid crisis, and
40:18
it turns out their names are still
40:20
on display. We've
40:33
just arrived in Westminster Abbey, and the way
40:35
we're heading for is the Henry
40:37
VII Lady Chapel, which
40:40
was a burial
40:43
place of 15 kings and queens of
40:45
England, and
40:48
including Elizabeth I.
40:54
We just spotted what we
40:56
came here to look for, the
40:58
stained glass window to
41:01
our right, it
41:03
says M&T Sackler Family
41:05
on the left, it
41:08
says Peace Through
41:10
Education, which is the Sackler
41:13
Family motto. The
41:16
way that many people came across
41:18
the Sackler stories was through protest.
41:20
In galleries, museums and campuses around
41:22
the world, activists fought
41:24
to remove the Sackler name. In
41:27
many cases, it worked. But
41:29
walking around London a few weeks ago, it wasn't
41:31
all gone. In the certain
41:33
time north was a glass plinth giving
41:35
the Dr Mortimer and Teresa Sackler Foundation
41:38
top billing as a principal donor. At
41:40
Tate Modern, the Sacklers are still on
41:43
the benefactor's wall of fame in the
41:45
Turbine Hall. And then
41:47
in Westminster Abbey, a monument to the
41:49
Sacklers in stained glass. It's
41:52
almost like the other pinnacle of the Sackler
41:54
family, if you wanted your
41:56
name to live on, your work to
41:59
live on. It's hard to
42:01
imagine that this
42:04
chapel with its hundreds of years of
42:06
history and a direct line to the
42:08
King and Queen of England could
42:12
act as a more solemn and
42:15
hermered mind to
42:17
the great works of her family. It
42:20
costs £14 million a year
42:22
to maintain Westminster Abbey. The
42:24
Sacklers have donated £600,000 and they got a stained glass window. When
42:30
we asked Westminster Abbey about the
42:32
window they said that the Sackler
42:34
Trust had in the past contributed
42:36
towards restoration work and other major
42:38
projects. They said they
42:41
were no longer in discussion with the
42:43
Sackler Trust about future donations but had
42:45
no plans to remove or alter the
42:47
stained glass windows. They
42:50
say that these policies are kept under review. For
42:52
me, the question they should ask themselves is
42:55
not how much does it cost to replace
42:57
a stained glass window but how
42:59
much does it cost you to keep it? This
43:02
is a fascinating story about one
43:04
of the largest consulting firms in
43:07
the world now facing a criminal
43:09
investigation for allegedly working to boost
43:11
sales of highly addictive prescription painkillers.
43:14
While we were making this episode,
43:16
news broke that the DOJ was
43:18
investigating McKinsey, the consultants who advised
43:21
Purdue Pharma to turbocharge the sales
43:23
engine. If the
43:25
investigation moves forward, it raises
43:28
an obvious question. Is
43:30
a criminal prosecution of the Sacklers coming
43:32
next? There's nothing
43:34
in the settlement deal that stops it.
43:37
The future immunity just applies
43:39
to civil cases and we've
43:41
seen the documents that show
43:44
how enthusiastically the Sackler family
43:46
responded to McKinsey's plans. But
43:48
Aruch Price was sceptical that the Sacklers would
43:50
face a criminal case. not,
44:00
clearly they're not going to do, because if they haven't done
44:02
it by now, I can't imagine they're going to wake up
44:04
tomorrow and do it. So I'm left
44:06
at the end of this wondering, are the Sacklers
44:08
getting away with it? Will they
44:10
compensate the victims? Maybe.
44:13
Have they been erased from
44:15
public life? Largely,
44:17
but not entirely. And
44:19
has their wealth shielded them from
44:22
consequences? Without a doubt. It's
44:25
tough to think that even if the deal
44:27
still goes through, if they end
44:30
up putting billions of dollars of their fortunes
44:32
in their recovery and treatment, they'll
44:34
still be rich for generations
44:36
to come. They'll be shielded
44:38
from any more civil cases, and
44:41
they'll still be short of apologies.
44:46
From Berkshire to Florida, their
44:48
gates and their walls remain
44:50
high. What
44:52
is the point of a morality
44:54
tale if actions don't have consequences?
44:58
But there's another way to look at it, and
45:00
the closer you are to the case, maybe
45:03
the more realistic you are in the
45:05
end. There are some people who say,
45:07
I don't care if it takes 10 years. I
45:10
want the Sacklers to pay every dime. And
45:14
there are some that say, in fact, most of
45:16
the people I've talked to say, I don't care
45:18
if it's the Sacklers or the Schmacklers. I
45:21
just want the money and I want to move on. And
45:24
nope, there's not a right or wrong answer. At
45:27
some point, you have to move on. You
45:30
have to take what you can get, abate
45:32
the crisis, compensate
45:34
victims, and move
45:36
on. In 2022,
45:39
the families wrecked by
45:41
opioids were finally given a voice
45:43
in a legal process that had
45:45
always shut them out. Cheryl
45:47
was one of 26 people chosen
45:50
to directly address the Sacklers.
45:53
Theresa and David Sackler were on
45:56
camera watching and listening as parents
45:58
told their stories. Richard
46:00
Sackler was also present on the Zoom
46:02
call, but off camera. Cheryl
46:05
told the Sacklers about Corey and
46:07
Sean, about how her family had
46:09
been torn apart. I remember asking
46:11
them how much money was
46:13
enough. A year
46:16
later, she wrote a letter that has formed
46:18
part of the Supreme Court case. She
46:20
told the justices how much she'd wanted
46:22
the Sacklers to go to jail. And
46:25
then, she urged them to
46:27
allow the settlement plan to go forward.
46:31
So I asked her, do you think they're getting
46:33
away with it? I don't. They've
46:37
ruined themselves. They
46:39
can't walk on the streets. I'm
46:42
sure they're not even being invited to
46:44
these galas and parties anymore. I
46:47
don't think they can even come out of their homes. I
46:50
think we've won. We've won that way.
46:53
It's more important to me that
46:55
the money's diverted into recovery and
46:57
treatment. I don't want to see another mom
47:00
have to bury her child and have
47:02
the pain that I had felt for so
47:04
long. No,
47:06
it wasn't a perfect plan, but I think
47:08
it was perfect for us. And
47:11
it will save lives. And that's what it's
47:13
all about. That's what it's
47:15
all about. Thanks
47:24
for listening to this episode of The Slow
47:26
Newscast. If you enjoyed this
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episode, please do leave us a rating
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and review. It was
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reported by me, David Taylor and Phoebe
47:34
Davis. It was produced
47:37
by Xavier Greenwood with additional
47:39
production by Imogen Harbor. The
47:41
sound designer was Dominic Delage.
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