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Recap: Were out with the three series last

2:11

night. And. Some bigger picture

2:13

stuff so if you look at last year.

2:16

For. The Playoff run You have fifteen.

2:18

Serious I: Every year we have fifteen

2:20

series. But. We saw a lot

2:22

of upsets if you'd look at the seating

2:25

part of this historically so. What

2:27

first? Round. A

2:29

serious than for. Than.

2:31

Twelve. And. Then the finals.

2:33

That's Fifteen series. Last year. Fifteen

2:35

Series. seven. Times.

2:38

The. Lower seed. Won. The

2:40

series. That. Is.

2:42

Almost double with the averages about

2:45

for. It's. Also the most

2:47

we've had since I think five and Nineteen

2:49

ninety five of the going to college or

2:51

stuff on the Athletics Oregon credit for this.

2:53

But when you go, wait seven like that's

2:56

a lot. Yes, It is. It.

2:58

Is a lot, But it's also kind of baked into

3:00

the Miami Lakers number of last year because my him,

3:02

he's got three of them. Than.

3:04

A Lakers get to show a guy well as

3:07

five and seven. So. That was the start

3:09

and make sense that Golden State the next. I

3:11

want to sevens a lot. And

3:13

this year with it being so muddled

3:15

in the West. And.

3:17

So many the teens after Boston the East for you

3:19

to sweat. Well. I guess

3:21

a lot of stuff could happen. Ah,

3:24

Philadelphia, New York feels like it's probably

3:26

right where it's supposed to be to

3:29

one to one either way, and. Yet.

3:33

When. I look at the and be part of it.

3:36

It's. It's. Fascinating because he's

3:38

clearly hurt in the first two games.

3:40

I thought he looked much better last

3:42

night. But then we find out. That.

3:45

He's dealing with Bell's palsy, which is

3:47

it's own challenge. He drops

3:49

fifty on the next thirteen and

3:51

nineteen five or seven for three.

3:54

And is really starting to feel himself. Yeah,

3:56

just the three point touching them. the close

3:59

outs. and It doesn't really matter like

4:01

he's they've left them open a

4:03

few times, but now it's almost like they were leaving

4:05

them open going cool Go ahead and shoot that even

4:07

though his numbers are better than these other bigs that

4:09

want to take the shot from outside But that almost

4:11

feels like a win because you're not fouling them and

4:14

because Hartenstein ended up with Five

4:17

fouls and then Mitchell Robinson ended up being hurt

4:19

only playing 12 minutes It

4:21

was just a massive challenge against him beat on

4:23

top everything else because precious Achewah who I've always

4:25

really liked part of the rotation for a good

4:27

chunk of the regular season once they acquired him

4:30

You know tips doesn't want to play him tips doesn't want to

4:32

play him in this series And then he

4:34

had to go to him a little bit last night. So

4:36

it was a spicy and bead Dropping

4:38

50 points if New York had gone

4:41

up 3-0. I had

4:43

something else planned for him bead But

4:46

I'm not gonna do that after he gets 50 But

4:49

it was spicy. There was a lot

4:51

of stuff with him last night where I was like, man

4:53

He is pushing the limits of

4:56

what you can get away with in a game

4:58

and the Mitchell Robinson play was flat-out dirty He

5:00

got called for the flagrant Divan gensil

5:02

went up to him and then bead was

5:04

kind of like get away from me I always wonder what

5:07

it's like to be that

5:09

big Not

5:11

always but There are times let's

5:13

rephrase that there are times where I'm like What is

5:15

it like when you're that big and somebody divan gensil

5:17

size comes up to you to be like hey I've

5:19

got a sticker for my teammate like even

5:21

if them bead were bad exciting Even

5:23

if you were just soft like ooh, ouch that

5:25

hurts. I'm not into this It

5:28

still would feel like it'd be impossible for him

5:30

to not crush somebody considering the size advantage that

5:32

he has. Alright, so that aside And

5:35

bead said hey look I was worried about I had

5:38

the comminga flashbacks He

5:40

fell on my leg and that's why I kind of like

5:43

Grab Mitchell's leg and threw him out of the way and

5:45

he also kind of like when he lands on it He

5:47

throws him off of them all over again. I Think

5:50

he was mad. He didn't get a call at the other end then

5:53

he was like fuck it I'm just gonna grab

5:55

this guy's leg That's what I thought

5:57

happened Because indeed was really

5:59

upset about about a bunch of other calls they didn't get

6:02

throughout the entire night. He hit a three on

6:04

Brunson where he was like, oh wait, remember to

6:06

fall down. Oh, this isn't really gonna be, I'm

6:08

not gonna be able to do this. So I'll stand

6:10

up. So he kind of like half goes to

6:12

fall down and then decides nah, and he made

6:14

the shot on top of everything else. So

6:17

if you're the Knicks, and

6:19

you look at this game and go, okay, look, you can't

6:22

fake desperation. That's always my role when two teams are

6:24

somewhat evenly matched and one's up 2-0, and

6:27

the other one isn't. And it's just really hard for

6:29

you to match the intensity and desperation when you're up

6:31

2-0 of the team that's down 0-2 when you think

6:33

that the teams are close. But it

6:35

was a bit of a free throw fest last night

6:37

because Brunson ended up with

6:39

10-12 from

6:43

the free throw line, 39 points overall. I

6:45

think Brunson, by the way, watching specifically after struggling

6:48

so much in the first two games, I

6:50

think he was better at just his attack angles.

6:52

I think he was a little bit more calculated

6:54

in taking his time, going, all right, if this

6:56

is the way they're playing me with all of

6:58

the size, which has been really, really effective. And

7:00

again, credit to Ubre and Batum. They've

7:03

done just a really good job with it, but I felt

7:05

like Brunson was more like, okay, if this is what you're

7:07

gonna do, I may slow things down and

7:10

then think of a better angle of attack. But

7:13

if you're looking at 30 through, what,

7:16

33 free throws for two players, Philly

7:19

probably feels good if they're gonna get that kind

7:22

of game again, officiating-wise. I think if you're New

7:24

York, you're like, all right, Hartenstein

7:27

ended up dealing with foul trouble all night and Mitchell

7:29

Robinson played 12 minutes. So we'll see.

7:32

We'll see what happens, but indeed, health-wise, the best

7:34

he's looked, I think, in the entire series. Hello,

7:37

Orlando. Welcome to the playoffs. Tough

7:40

fun in those first two games. Wasn't

7:43

feeling great. Just like, why did

7:45

you pick them? Cleveland's so

7:48

much better with their four guys than Orlando's

7:50

four guys, who you really like, Ryan. You

7:52

really like them. But not

7:54

a lot of scoring guarantees out of

7:56

that group. I have a working

7:59

theory. It's not.... Perfect can be

8:01

dismantled certainly many nights. But.

8:04

I always feel like you need Three

8:06

guys that you always know can add

8:08

up to sixty points. In

8:10

some ways. Three. Guys scoring

8:13

sixty points is better than two guys scoring

8:15

sixty points. I. Think that makes

8:17

sense. Ah, But.

8:19

Again, it can be a can be destroyed at

8:22

times and when I look at Orlando I'd go

8:24

Where are the sixty. Where. Are

8:26

the sixty? Well, if it's Paolo at twenty five,

8:28

that means I only need. You.

8:30

Know thirty five more points for that.

8:32

Guarantee myself thirty five points from France.

8:35

And sucks. A knowing that

8:38

somebody else is gonna be disappointing. Knowing somebody else

8:40

can be a bit of surprise. But. If

8:42

you're only getting forty from your main three guys,

8:44

they're a fourth guy that makes up a twenty.

8:46

Now you start ask a lot, especially in the

8:48

playoffs. Were. Cleveland.

8:51

May be a sixty point two

8:53

guys team. Without. Really knowing who

8:55

the third guy would be? In.

8:57

Mountain some your illicit has been like a come

8:59

up with a new theory. But. It

9:02

makes sense they think the balance of

9:04

three in a playoff game means you're

9:06

gonna have to guard more consistently. And

9:09

there isn't any one thing the you

9:11

think you can take away from the

9:13

other team as much or it's so

9:15

Orlando scares me a little bit. with

9:17

that the power. Last I thirty one,

9:19

fourteen five and no turnovers. After fifteen

9:21

turnovers and games wanted to. I. Still

9:23

think his job is tough is may

9:25

be any single offensive player in the

9:28

playoffs right now. It's. It's

9:30

really on a guy who's like. Two

9:32

years into, this is first playoff series

9:35

ever. Hey. Save us!

9:37

I. Think he's being asked do more. Than.

9:40

Maybe any single number one

9:42

option. For. Any other team if I

9:44

run through it again in my head pretty quickly. Yeah,

9:46

I think I'm right and come right on that one.

9:48

Okay, This.

9:50

game got off to a start was like oh wow

9:52

i'm just going to eat and possibly wrong and this

9:55

thing cleveland's back what are you think about him for

9:57

the second round which is a zone exercise off the

9:59

other side of What's

10:01

going on with Boston, Miami? I

10:03

don't have anything on that other than I went back

10:05

and watched all the threes. I think it's a combination

10:08

of everything. I think there's some

10:10

bad closeouts, but I also think

10:12

that there is some strategy there where it was double

10:14

hero. And then if hero wants to

10:16

kick it to somebody else, you're giving up something.

10:18

You know, the same way we've watched with Philly

10:20

in New York where it's like, Hey, Josh Hart, you

10:22

can go ahead and shoot those threes. When

10:26

I've watched OKC, it's like, Hey,

10:28

Najee Marshall, if you want to take those

10:30

threes, go ahead. If you hit them, great.

10:32

But like, this is how we're going to play you. I

10:34

think Boston looked at it as going, if we're going

10:36

to trap hero off of this high screen and roll,

10:38

and then we still have to worry about BAM and

10:41

then BAM is going to hit everything. And then when

10:43

they swing it to somebody, the three point line, all

10:45

of those guys are going to hit something. I mean,

10:47

look, if Boston was down six points, if

10:49

Miami had set a record, a franchise record for three point

10:51

makes, I think at that point when it was 22. So.

10:58

I know it's funny because if Boston were brand new this

11:00

year and this good, people are like, Oh,

11:02

that's where they lost game two. And instead, it's like,

11:04

Nope, the fraud alert text on

11:06

your boy's phone after that game. It's

11:09

just hilarious. 10 different people

11:11

going, this team sucks their frauds. Like, suck

11:13

seems a little harsh, but because

11:15

of the history, we understand all the PTSD.

11:17

All right. So back to Orlando

11:19

and Cleveland. As I

11:23

go, Hey, the only thing I have on this is another three minutes.

11:27

I always think it's funny when you bet on a game and

11:30

how dumb we all are in the very beginning

11:32

because this game was 10 three and I'm just sitting here

11:34

going 10, three. Like,

11:36

well, hold on. Kind of another 46

11:39

minutes or so, 45 minutes to go on this one.

11:41

So relax. And. You

11:45

know how would you bet a team? Like, say you bet a team and

11:47

you're getting two and a half points and they're up six nothing

11:50

and you're hanging out with your buddies and it's six nothing. And

11:52

you're like, I'm so smart. I'm

11:57

so good at this gambling thing. Look at me.

12:00

the other side of it. You're laying two and a half of your

12:02

team is down six two and you

12:04

got maybe one of your buddies to get in out with you. He's

12:07

like dude are you serious? I can't believe we're

12:09

gonna lose this. You're like it's six two. It's

12:11

six two. I don't think it's over yet. I think

12:14

there's still more time. However it

12:16

happens whenever you do it it's almost impossible

12:18

to avoid doing it. I've done it way

12:20

too many times and even last night I'm

12:22

like 10-3. 10-3 huh? They're not gonna

12:25

be able to score. Orlando was missing

12:28

everything. The very first few minutes of this

12:30

game and I actually some of those looks were really good. But

12:34

Mitchell and Garland were terrible and they were down 30 with

12:36

nine minutes to go in the third quarter. The

12:38

backcourt for Cleveland finished 8-26. I'm not sure

12:41

that specifically is going to happen

12:44

again despite knowing

12:46

that Orlando's defense is really

12:48

their strength. Something to pay

12:50

attention to here. Jonathan Isaac's minutes

12:52

29 to 20 to 16 minutes.

12:54

16 minutes in game number three.

13:01

What does that mean? Came off the bench as

13:03

well. So it

13:07

felt a little bit like it was a waste to

13:09

use him because defensively it wasn't

13:11

this matchup that you felt like hey

13:13

we've got Jonathan Isaac on Jared Allen

13:15

now. So good luck Cleveland. It

13:18

just doesn't speak to Isaac's strength. A

13:21

longer term thing though. Much

13:23

like kind of Philadelphia and going are you gonna

13:25

get that same kind of game that free throw

13:27

thing on both sides? Because if you're

13:29

Philly you love that. You're like cool please call

13:31

the game like that the rest of the series. It's not gonna happen but

13:33

you get the point. There's a longer term

13:35

thing I think with Orlando when I look at it and

13:37

I go is Franz off

13:39

of Paolo the

13:42

thing I thought it was. I

13:45

don't have an answer I'm just simply asking myself the question

13:47

when I watch them more. And

13:49

that Franz is this big wing who can

13:51

attack who can defend who can switch. There's

13:54

a lot of boxes here that he checks

13:56

that you get really excited about. But

13:58

off of Paolo In

14:02

theory, it's like, hey, that's really

14:04

good. We've got these big multiple

14:06

wings can handle can pass. These

14:08

guys are like OKC dream

14:11

players, right? This

14:14

is the whole blueprint down there with a thunder. But

14:17

a frond can't consistently be a threat

14:19

from the outside. It makes

14:22

that pairing much more challenging moving

14:24

forward. So we know this year is 28% from

14:26

three. Doing

14:28

some Hubie Brown for you. But you

14:30

look at, you know. But he

14:32

was 35, 36% from three the first two seasons. You

14:36

go back to the college stats in Michigan. 31%

14:40

freshman year, sophomore year, 34%. 84%

14:42

from free throws in college. 85%

14:45

from free throw in the NBA. There's

14:47

enough numbers in there to tell you that he's not a

14:49

28% from free guy. But

14:53

if he's not at least 34, 35

14:55

have to respect it or

14:59

hurt you for not respecting it. Long

15:02

term, I worry about

15:05

that pairing if fronds isn't

15:07

a better shooter. May not mean

15:09

anything right now. Don't have

15:11

an answer to it. But that's

15:13

where I'm at. We finished

15:15

in Los Angeles. Denver 11 straight against the

15:18

Lakers. Game two,

15:20

DeAngelo Russell, I'd like to introduce you to

15:22

the real versus Denver, DeAngelo

15:24

Russell. 0 for seven from

15:26

the floor. And

15:29

that's the problem is that, hey

15:31

man, you guys were dogging DeAngelo Russell. And this

15:33

isn't, I don't wanna do like in every 48

15:35

hours told you so battle where we're

15:38

just, anyone that likes him is telling the people, you

15:40

know what I mean? We're just going circles in this

15:42

whole thing. My question would be this,

15:44

like when you have someone

15:46

like this that's capable of having the game that

15:48

he had in two, but also capable of doing

15:51

what he did in three, what do you really

15:53

have? Like what's the sum of

15:56

that player, right? With

15:58

all the other little things. that we've

16:01

talked about with him and

16:03

his lack of intensity, lack of attention

16:05

to detail, just a lack of days

16:07

ago player. This was a

16:09

really, it was like,

16:12

LA was still in this game with a score and it felt

16:14

like they were dead. I

16:16

think this is like emotionally draining for them.

16:19

I think the close of this game, like every time

16:21

I'd look at the score, like, hey, this score is

16:23

not out of reach here. But

16:26

I think it's this really

16:28

frustrating thing of, it's like playing

16:31

a video game and just going, I don't know

16:33

how to beat this guy. Like,

16:35

I don't know how to beat this guy without

16:38

the internet and looking it up. That's

16:41

what I saw from this Lakers group going, we just,

16:43

you know, look, we just can't beat these guys and

16:45

it's really frustrating. So even if we think we're close

16:47

to this whole thing, we just

16:50

kind of know what's going to happen. And last

16:52

night, every time against Denver, it feels inevitable.

16:54

The other problem for LA, their

16:57

hack of free throws plus 14 in

16:59

game one minus four in game two,

17:01

minus five in game three. I

17:04

looked at the LeBron part of this thought he was bad

17:06

last night. I know he scored a bunch of points. Aaron

17:09

Gordon had 15 boards to

17:11

be nice. I'd say a third of those

17:13

were against LeBron, where

17:17

LeBron just wasn't super locked in with it. There's

17:20

one offensive rebound from Gordon where he puts it back

17:22

up and then LeBron has his hands out looking at

17:24

people going like, what the fuck? And you're going, yeah,

17:27

that was, that was your guy. Like what,

17:29

who are you looking at? And I did post

17:32

the video of him last night, dribble the ball off his

17:34

leg. Not because I thought it was funny. It's because he

17:36

turned back around to Prince to get mad about a screen

17:38

that wasn't set where that happens all of the time. And

17:41

it was like, Hey, here we go. And I think

17:43

the sad part for Lakers fans is we're about 30

17:45

hours away. If Denver gets game four

17:48

of isolation, LeBron,

17:52

not on the basketball court. I'm

17:54

talking about off the basketball court where he's going to make sure

17:56

that you know that

17:59

he doesn't approve of this. But he's also

18:01

not associated with this which I think is always

18:03

a really really bad look. I'm capable doing both

18:05

things Praising one of my favorite

18:07

players I've ever seen play this game Praising

18:09

him after game to love it. That's one of my

18:11

favorite LeBron games ever in game, too But

18:14

the part of him that I I don't like

18:16

I just don't understand why rich Paul or maverick

18:19

wouldn't go like hey This is a really bad

18:21

look. So make sure you don't go out of your

18:23

way To prove some kind

18:25

of point about being upset about the rest of

18:27

the roster maybe the Lakers would have

18:29

gotten somebody else in the first round, but

18:31

they're just not better than this team and Look,

18:34

maybe he doesn't have to isolate himself because the

18:36

Angela Russell already did it for him Was

18:38

he checking his phone during the huddle?

18:41

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21:32

The first round of the 2024 NFL Draft

21:34

is in the books. It's the Ryan Russello

21:36

Show podcast and joining me as you

21:38

would expect to recap the entire first

21:40

round look ahead to what else is

21:43

going on and a man who actually was really on

21:45

it and I don't say that as if I'm surprised

21:47

with Todd McShay but the information for the months leading

21:49

up to the draft. We talked about

21:51

Minnesota hey that means they're gonna likely

21:53

go in this direction. The New England rumors

21:55

that were backed by the biggest insiders in

21:58

the industry. He talked up neighbors

22:00

who then all of a sudden I've got some

22:02

good stuff on other people thinking neighbors is actually

22:04

better than Marvin Harrison jr And

22:06

then finally he told us this week

22:08

that Xavier worthy to the Chiefs was

22:11

the least kept secret in

22:13

the NFL in the lead-up So great stuff from you man. And

22:15

thanks as always for joining us. Thanks bud There's

22:18

a lot to talk to or a lot

22:20

to talk about for a first round. It felt

22:22

like the teams just decided Hey, let's not mess

22:24

around. Let's not get cute Let's

22:26

just go off our board couple surprises certainly

22:28

that we'll get to but that felt like

22:30

the message overall last night Yeah

22:33

this I think it speaks to the fact that this is

22:35

a damn good Graph class and there

22:37

were a lot of really good impact players

22:39

that they expect to come in as rookies

22:42

and and and for several Years to become

22:44

you know top-tier players

22:47

and that's what we saw I mean we we

22:49

knew one and two that was a lock new

22:51

Caleb Williams is going one to Chicago. We knew

22:53

it We knew

22:55

that the number two pick Washington was going to

22:57

go with Jaden Daniels But after that there was

22:59

a lot of speculation, you know It was New

23:01

England going to try to get cute and move

23:03

out of that number three spot today like JJ

23:05

McCarthy more than Drake May the Giants have been

23:07

making a lot of calls to try to move

23:09

up We knew Minnesota was in the market after

23:11

getting that trade, but New England stands pat They

23:14

go with the plan that they kind of had

23:16

all along Let's sign sign a veteran for about

23:19

eight million dollars and let's go draft our guy

23:21

in the future and burst Jacobi Bursett is there

23:24

and and they that gives them a Bridge

23:26

the gap quarterback for Drake May who

23:28

has a chance to be a standout

23:30

like top tier You know top ten

23:33

type quarterback in the league But he's not ready

23:35

to start right away And so while

23:37

it's a great night of celebration in New

23:39

England where I live and and everyone's talking

23:41

about the quarterback future like be patient Be

23:44

patient and that was this name for the rest of

23:46

the for most of the rest of the top ten

23:48

be patient Like hold hold,

23:51

you know, everyone wanted to make trades and I talked

23:53

to Four different GM's

23:56

that were like there's a lot of calls this year a

23:58

lot of calls, you know teams moving up moving

24:00

back, getting things in place. But

24:03

the way the board started coming off, every

24:05

team is like, wait a second, the

24:08

guy we really want is there. So

24:10

why are we going to get cute and move

24:12

back, try to pick up additional picks and maybe

24:14

get the second best receiver, the second best tackle,

24:17

when the guy that we really think can come

24:19

in and make the biggest impact for us right

24:21

now is the guy that's sitting on our board,

24:23

atop our board, and we can take them. And

24:26

that rang true throughout. Arizona

24:28

sits there, there was talking about maybe they

24:30

would move down a couple spots, let the

24:32

Giants move up, and they can still take

24:34

Marvin Harrison Jr. But then you're risking that

24:36

someone moves into five to take Marvin Harrison

24:38

Jr. I have thought Malik

24:40

Nabors is the most dynamic, explosive playmaker

24:43

in this year's draft class. But

24:46

MHJ is the most NFL ready receiver

24:48

I've seen in a decade. And

24:50

I think he's going to come in, he's going to be

24:52

a great player. So they take Marvin Harrison Jr. for Chargers

24:54

sit there, there's a lot of talk about JC Latham. They

24:57

love JC Latham. But that was if they

24:59

move back, you know, now

25:01

they're sitting there and they wind up, you know,

25:04

taking their offensive tackle, the Giants, what they did

25:06

want to move up for May, but Drake May

25:08

was going number three to New England. So let's

25:10

stand and give the Giants some credit. Every

25:12

year I make some notes, Ryan, right? What

25:15

was the information that was coming out just before

25:17

that? Yeah, just before the draft. And this is

25:19

like two or two years in a row now,

25:22

misinformation gets out there. Every GM I talked

25:24

to was like, you know, I'm hearing that

25:26

the Giants are going to take Romo Dunes

25:28

day at number six,

25:30

if they stick there and can't get the

25:32

quarterback because they don't want another OBJ. They

25:34

don't want another Cadares Tony situation because neighbors

25:36

does come with a little, he can be

25:39

a little bit tough to manage. He's got that

25:41

excitement of young wide receivers. And so there was

25:43

a lot of talk of that all along. It

25:45

was neighbors. If they didn't go quarterback at that

25:48

spot and they get the most dynamic playmaker in

25:50

the draft, Tennessee sits there or seven. They don't

25:52

trade out, get an offensive tackle Atlanta. We'll get

25:54

to the shock of it, but it got interesting

25:56

because Atlanta and Chicago, every GM I

25:58

talked to from pick. In down to

26:01

twenty. Were. Saying goes of

26:03

the spots are we can move up. Whether

26:05

it's offered to tackle one of those wide

26:07

receivers like a Doomsday who was still sitting

26:09

there at nine quarterback, those are the spots

26:11

It we think a team could move up.

26:14

To. Eight and Nine. Because those guys want to

26:16

move back get additional picks. Atlanta could still

26:18

get the same defensive player. That's what everyone

26:20

thought if they move back Three, four, five

26:22

spots. Did the Bears only have four picks

26:24

in the draft? They're going to move on

26:27

of that nine spot. so everyone was kind

26:29

of targeting that. Those spots, Eight, nine, They.

26:31

Just stayed home. take the players that want

26:33

inch and that's how it. It's a boring

26:35

Tv draft. But. The teams got

26:38

the best players on their boards when

26:40

they were picking and guys really filled

26:42

needs. I want to say with the

26:44

neighbors thing so I don't forget it because i i thought

26:46

this is really interesting Brazil man who was of on the

26:48

pod. Yeah. He had a

26:50

bunch of Nfl people saying

26:53

hey, look neighbors is. The.

26:55

First guy and you brought that up earlier in

26:57

the process. worlds collide. Wait, how many other people

26:59

are saying this? Because we all thought it was

27:02

Martin Harris Jr. based on the will. We had

27:04

seen the mocks forever. So here's once or saying

27:06

he's as fast as the person chasing him. he's

27:08

gonna run away from whoever. if the and was

27:11

chasing me go for to one or whatever he's

27:13

the best wine that even prospects and chase and

27:15

I'll tape and I to get even more impressive.

27:17

This dude is different. However, I thought this was

27:20

interesting. I'm. He

27:22

gives it's neighbors and then there's a gap. Said.

27:25

An offensive beneficial assistant, he's the best wide

27:27

receiver in the draft a couple years is

27:29

Tyree Kill combined with both of those San

27:31

Francisco guys is so explosive. The has a

27:34

second gear. He. Goes, he'll be the

27:36

guy those who say something new the coordinates coming

27:38

off the field he's got that adds doom where

27:40

he doesn't know when to let up. So you're

27:42

lucky. Everybody likes it. When it's working out,

27:44

you know it's it's competitiveness. When you're winning into

27:47

putting a big numbers, it's a distraction with a

27:49

team is is five and eight. Ah but still.

27:51

you may have a there. Was.

27:53

That. Don't go five and eight. Yeah.

27:56

right? right? And who knows what's gonna happen with a

27:58

chance for thing that. Was and. playhouses last year. So

28:01

if you look at Chicago at the top, you have

28:03

to feel great about I mean, there's

28:05

this isn't hey Wow, you guys

28:07

are so good at this. You think that

28:10

getting Caleb and Rome are good things But

28:12

considering the lack of weapons and the bad

28:14

luck that they've had. I mean since 2017 This

28:17

is the third quarterback They've drafted this

28:19

high going back to Mitch Fields and

28:21

then Caleb and then it's really

28:23

interesting too because you go Did

28:26

fields I was thinking about this did fields

28:28

them giving fields one more chance and trading

28:30

out of the pick last year That ends

28:32

up being Bryce young to Carolina and

28:35

then landing them Caleb this year Like

28:38

if Caleb ends up being as good as I think he can

28:40

be It'll be pretty

28:42

incredible that the origin story of it all

28:44

is being patient with fields one more year

28:47

Instead of taking a Bryce or a CJ

28:49

Stroud who you know At least on paper

28:51

right now you would regret because of what

28:53

we've seen already from him at the NFL

28:56

level But to do it with Caleb to

28:58

get him that way I thought was an interesting

29:00

part of it and then just not screwing around

29:02

by adding more picks and going He's

29:05

Rome is my favorite wide receiver in this

29:07

class and I thought it was

29:09

interesting I talked to a general manager. We were just

29:11

talking about who are the safest for players in this

29:13

draft and It was Marvin

29:15

Harrison jr. Joe all the

29:18

deep offensive tackle from From

29:20

Notre Dame Brock Bowers from Georgia

29:22

and Roma dunes a the

29:25

wide receiver that Chicago

29:27

winds up getting best route runners in

29:30

this class at Marvin Harrison jr. Oh

29:32

dunes a and Ricky Pearsall from Florida

29:34

so like you're getting a guy who

29:36

has an Outstanding maturity level

29:38

coming into the league whose NFL

29:40

ready who put up good workout

29:43

numbers But way more importantly that production

29:45

was there. He's a refined route

29:47

runner He can step in and make a

29:49

big impact and we talked about this last

29:52

week I think we've talked about it a couple times like

29:55

The vast majority of number one overall picks

29:57

that come into a situation. It's trash It's

30:00

a nightmare ownership problems

30:03

coaching problems No

30:05

weapons no protection that we've

30:08

seen it all and variations of it depending

30:10

You know going back to the previous year's

30:12

Bryce young obviously Carolina To the Lawrence his

30:14

first year with Jacksonville We talked about all

30:16

this leading up and now you've got we

30:18

talked about the Chicago situation

30:20

how really like how strong it was with

30:22

like a general manager who's done a really

30:25

good job the last couple years a coaching

30:27

staff that like is finally settled in a

30:31

They brought in a new offensive coordinator that they believe

30:33

in and most importantly you now have DJ

30:35

Moore It's part of that trade by the

30:37

way think about what they fleeced Out

30:40

of Caroline to get Bryce like when

30:42

Schefter put up that tweet yesterday I

30:44

don't know like hey haven't updated fully

30:46

because it's not completely done yet, but

30:48

so far Here's what Chicago's got DJ

30:50

Moore last year's picks, you know, Caleb

30:52

Williams and whatever is coming next you

30:54

add all those All of what

30:56

they got up and Ryan polls deserves

30:59

a lot of credit for the decision He

31:01

made and you don't know you're gonna be

31:03

picking, you know What where you're gonna be

31:05

picking with that? Carolina pick but you know,

31:07

it's gonna be early and you knew that

31:09

there's gonna be some great quarterbacks in this

31:11

class So there was some patience there But

31:13

again DJ Moore Keenan Allen now you add

31:16

O'Doon's day as your number three Presumably and

31:18

playing a lot of three receiver sets you've

31:20

got Cole commettatite end So like look at

31:22

all these weapons that he comes into and

31:25

DeAndre Swift and a lot of depth at

31:27

running back Like this is a good situation

31:29

for Caleb. I get truly Good

31:31

foundation ownership leadership and weapons like that.

31:33

You don't get that opportunity very often

31:36

I mean almost never as the number

31:38

one overall pick. Yeah, so it's

31:40

DJ Moore. It's Rome it's

31:46

Excuse me, it's the number nine pick last year and

31:50

Then it's it's the number one overall pick this year and then a

31:52

second round or they still have a second round are coming in 2025

31:55

so Yeah,

31:59

and the Rome's their own pick so it's not part of

32:01

the trade there. Alright let's talk about the thing everybody wants

32:03

to talk about. Six quarterbacks to the first 12, highest

32:06

or quickest we've ever gotten to six quarterbacks.

32:09

We spent so much time to talk about the

32:11

guys at the top but Atlanta going with Pennick's

32:13

at number eight. He's 24 in May, Cousins

32:16

just signed a four-year deal that's you could

32:18

say could be a two-year deal, maybe

32:20

a three-year deal and then

32:22

immediately we found out

32:25

that Cousins was at best dismayed through

32:27

his agent through Pete Thammell. Yeah that

32:29

was interesting. That was interesting. Can I

32:31

just start there? Can I start there?

32:34

Yeah. I

32:36

get it. There's a lot to get in. Right. I think this is

32:43

alarming for a couple reasons.

32:46

When Cousins was in DC with

32:49

Colt he wasn't cool about it.

32:53

Colt was just cooler

32:56

and as a huge Colt McCoy fan I'm

32:58

not surprised by that. I

33:00

think Colt just had a way that resonated better

33:02

with his teammates and yet it's Kirk's team. It

33:05

was a better quarterback. And how did Kirk

33:07

come in the league too? Right and

33:09

Kirk comes in as the second pick

33:11

in the same draft after RG3. Correct.

33:14

So there's just some odd dynamics

33:16

there. It's like

33:19

this shit's happening again. Right. But

33:21

here's where I'm a little frustrated. I've

33:24

not been the biggest Kirk fan over the years but

33:26

I give him credit last year. I thought

33:29

he played really well before he got hurt. I thought he

33:31

was tough as nails and I completely understand. That

33:33

was the best season I've ever seen him play. We're

33:35

on the same page there because I'm incredibly frustrated

33:37

with his approach of playing the game in the

33:39

past despite the numbers looking really good. But

33:42

I was fine with Atlanta going hey you know what like

33:44

we've got all these weapons we just need somebody who we

33:46

can trust here because there's no point in kicking it off

33:48

week one unless we have somebody we can trust. So

33:52

fine with the contract even though it's certainly very

33:54

risky and he's not he's not always been my

33:56

favorite guy. But the fact that we knew Kirk

33:58

was upset within minutes of the heck is

34:00

the most alarming part. Okay. That's it.

34:03

That's the part where I'm like, so, you

34:06

know, Hey, his camp is really upset. Well,

34:08

what's the camp? The camp's two people. It's

34:10

the agent who already did the deal. And then it's

34:12

Kirk. And then they weren't basically like the Atlanta part

34:14

of it. I can talk to anyone unless he's talked

34:16

to the player first. Right. And they,

34:19

they called him while they were on the clock saying,

34:21

Hey, we're doing the PennX thing. And then when I

34:23

was reading the Atlanta stuff this morning, they were like,

34:25

well, we're not going to get too much into Kirk.

34:27

So he must have gone off. And,

34:32

you know, it reminds me a bit of the

34:34

Belichick Brady stuff in that, you know how many

34:36

times Brady was furious about some of the roster

34:38

and personnel decisions that they've made. And

34:41

just Brady wasn't ever going to go there. And Kirk

34:43

hasn't even played a snap for this team yet. He

34:45

got the contract and he's already

34:47

mad about PennX. And we found out

34:49

immediately, you know, look, I

34:53

don't, I don't love that. I don't love

34:55

that we knew immediately, even if it's entertaining.

34:57

And then there's the entire decision to take

34:59

PennX this side on top of everything else.

35:01

So go wherever you want. Well, it's

35:04

not hard if you're Kirk and you've been in this

35:06

league and you know the business as long as he

35:08

has. And you would think the

35:10

maturity level that it is, you know,

35:12

instilled in you, like he is as

35:15

seasoned as it gets in

35:17

terms of understanding the media, understanding

35:20

the dynamics, understanding what every word that comes

35:22

out of his mouth, how that's going to

35:24

resonate, where it's going to go, all of

35:27

it. So for him, with all

35:29

that experience and knowledge to do what he did and

35:32

to talk to his agent and show the frustration that

35:34

he had, like it's, I don't

35:36

care if you MF everyone in the organization

35:38

up and down in that private phone call,

35:40

like that's fine. Will

35:43

it mean anything in the long run? Who knows?

35:45

I mean, Eric Rogers was treated like a, like

35:47

a stepchild for, you know, for the first what,

35:49

four years of his career by, by Brett and

35:51

it turned out fine. You know, like they

35:54

don't have to have a great relationship. Let's not

35:56

get that mixed up, but it sends the wrong

35:58

message, especially the first year. Here's the thing,

36:00

but now let's get into the analysis of the

36:03

pick and the decision and what they did. Atlanta,

36:07

I'm not saying they had to do it, but

36:11

I like absolutely

36:13

applaud their organization for making this

36:16

decision. I do. Like,

36:18

if you want to be good

36:20

and have an organization that sustains success over

36:22

time, and you're bringing in an aging quarterback

36:25

who is coming off an Achilles injury, and

36:27

there's some short-term concern, right? Like, how is

36:29

he going to be? Is he going to

36:31

be himself? Where is he

36:33

in the process of recovery?

36:35

But this is much more like

36:37

long-term. A Kirk came in, and

36:40

his ego is bruised because

36:42

he views this as, I've got two, three years

36:44

left. Let's go make a run. So

36:46

go get me an edge rusher so the defense is better, right?

36:48

Or whatever it is. I know you've

36:50

spent first round picks on tight end wide receiver running

36:52

back the last few years. Go get an edge rusher.

36:54

Get me the ball back. And

36:57

now all of a sudden his ego is bruised. He's like, wait

36:59

a second. They're

37:01

thinking beyond me? Well, yeah,

37:03

they're thinking beyond you. I'm a general manager.

37:06

I'm trying to make this thing run for four

37:08

or five years. So I keep my job, and

37:10

I can build a legacy. And my coaching said,

37:12

you know, like, but

37:14

so Atlanta made the right decision because you've

37:16

got to look at it with Kirk Cousins

37:18

and those young weapons and Bijon

37:21

Robinson running back. Like, they have a team that's not

37:23

going to be picking in the top eight anytime

37:25

soon. That's my belief. I just don't see that.

37:27

So now next year you're picking at 22, 23.

37:31

Like, there's no quarterback opportunity

37:33

there, realistically. So

37:35

let's get this guy now because this is about the organization for

37:37

the next five years and beyond. And so they did the right

37:39

thing. Now, it

37:42

can two things can be true here. They

37:45

made the right organizational decision. But

37:48

did they do it with the right guy? That's

37:50

the interesting part. JJ McCarthy to

37:52

me based off my board, my evaluation and everything else,

37:55

is the guy that was rated higher. But

37:58

I'll say this. Understand

38:00

why Atlanta went with Pennix in this

38:02

regard. This is not a team

38:04

that's gonna line up in 12 personnel, one

38:07

running back, two tight ends, pound it, and

38:09

run the offense that Jim Harbaugh ran with

38:11

JJ McCarthy in college. This is an organization

38:13

that has gone all in, right? With weapons,

38:16

drafting the top eight picks, right?

38:18

The last three years, tight end

38:20

pits. Drake London and wide

38:22

receiver, Bijon Robinson are running back. They wanna

38:24

spread you out. Bijon's a receiver out of

38:26

the backfield. They wanna spread you out and

38:28

attack. Who's the best peer pastor in this

38:30

class? Michael Pent The

38:57

age thing, whatever, not that big of a deal. I'm

38:59

kinda with you. Like, I kinda like the pick, just

39:01

because it was such a strong philosophical

39:03

approach to the whole thing, but

39:06

I also understand Cousin's part of it, but then that

39:08

sometimes I'm like, it kinda reminds me a bit of

39:10

the Garoppolo deal where they took a second rounder, cause

39:12

Brady was 37. He didn't know Brady

39:14

was gonna turn into Captain America, but

39:16

at that point, if you're Brady, imagine how pissed

39:18

Brady must've been when they took Garoppolo in the

39:21

second round. He's like, can we

39:23

actually get another receiver here that maybe is good?

39:25

That's what broke up the dynasty. Right,

39:28

right. So you like to pick

39:31

from a philosophical standpoint. I like to pick

39:33

from a philosophical standpoint. I'm not sure

39:35

if you're gonna upset the apple cart.

39:39

You better believe in panics than they do. I

39:42

would have gone JJ McCarthy there. You had an

39:44

opportunity to take a quarterback that I had rated

39:46

higher. But again, like, I

39:49

always try to put myself, so they didn't

39:51

wake up and say, one morning, say, how are we

39:53

gonna screw this up? But they don't want to really

39:55

screw this thing up. Let's get everyone all fired up.

39:58

You know, turn the media, get like. So

40:00

what was their thing? I think that's much

40:02

more rational like reasonable productive approach to all

40:05

this analysis What was their reasoning and I

40:07

just gave it to you. We

40:09

want to spread people out We want to attack

40:12

in the air and the best Downfield passer in

40:14

this class the best pure pocket passer in this

40:16

class is Michael Pennick's junior and he

40:18

can throw it down the field We can get

40:20

home runs with home run hitters, right? Like

40:23

we've been missing that we've been so worried

40:25

about protecting the quarterback position How about we

40:27

actually pair these weapons with the guy who

40:29

can who can attack you and

40:31

can be a problem down the field? But

40:34

I'll say this You

40:36

better be able to protect because now

40:38

you got a you got an aging

40:41

Achilles tear Quarterback is your

40:43

is your bridge and you got a quarterback

40:45

who not only has the two new knee

40:47

injuries and the shoulder injuries

40:49

But in big games against Oregon regular

40:51

season last year in the national championship

40:54

against, Michigan Struggled to stay healthy in

40:56

the fourth quarter the wear and

40:58

tear that his body takes Because if he doesn't

41:00

get the ball out on time and the defense

41:02

is throwing some confusing looks He's

41:05

he he doesn't have the mobility to protect

41:07

himself Okay So they better have their offensive

41:09

line situation figured out for the next few

41:11

years and that better be the number one

41:13

priority even though they you know,

41:15

they need defense and all these other things like

41:17

they better be able to protect because they've got

41:19

two guys that they've now invested a Boatload

41:23

of money in okay. So let's

41:25

go to the Vikings then and the JJ

41:27

decision you I love this All

41:30

right, go for it then. I mean think

41:32

about it. We talked about them moving up to number

41:34

three to get Drake May, okay, I Don't

41:37

even know that they like Drake May over JJ McCarthy Let's

41:39

say they did slightly but they were it was kind of

41:41

close like you know, obviously the history They have the quarterback

41:43

coach in Minnesota with with Drake May and going back to

41:45

high school. I get all that stuff. I'm account yeah,

41:48

yeah, so if So

41:51

if it was close I'm looking at it

41:53

and saying all right, what's it gonna cost

41:55

me to move up? I've from from 11

41:58

to number three to go get Drake May which

42:00

was, I don't know that there was enough,

42:02

you know, tea in China to get to

42:05

the end of the deal done with New England. I think at the end

42:07

of the day, they wanted to stick there and take May, but

42:10

let's say that they were able to move up there.

42:12

Like the trade chart says from 11 to three, it's

42:15

about a thousand points, okay? But

42:17

when you're talking about a team who needs a quarterback

42:19

moving off that spot for another team that's coming to

42:21

get into the quarterback, we're talking like 13 to 1500

42:23

points, right? So

42:25

what did Minnesota do? They sat back, they were

42:28

patient, they understood the situation. And I told you

42:30

this last week, they're doing a

42:32

cost analysis on what it's gonna take

42:34

to go get a guy versus what

42:36

we can get sitting back

42:39

at 11. And I think it came down

42:41

to two like JJ or PennX at 11.

42:44

Because by doing that, they move up from 11 to 10

42:47

in a small deal, they gave up

42:49

a fourth and a fifth round

42:51

pick to move up, which is the equivalent of about a

42:53

hundred points. And then the second

42:56

time they moved up in the first

42:58

round to go get Dallas Turner, they

43:00

gave up about 800 points to

43:02

move up, it was a second this year and

43:04

a second next year. So now we're talking

43:06

900 points they've given up. And

43:09

then they had the- I love the

43:11

point talk. Yeah, I

43:13

know, but the fifth this year- A round, slightly a round.

43:15

The third next year, the fourth next year was about 250,

43:17

300 points. So add it

43:19

all up, the three moves they made to get Houston's pick

43:21

at 23, to

43:23

move up from 11 to 10 to get their quarterback and

43:26

JJ McCarthy, and to move up from 23 to

43:28

go get the best edge rusher in this class

43:30

in Dallas Turner. They gave

43:32

up 1250 points equivalent, which

43:36

is less than what it would have taken to go

43:38

up and get Drake May at number three. Now we'll

43:40

see how it plays out, but now you get the

43:42

best edge rusher in the class and a quarterback that

43:44

you're really comfortable with, I think they made

43:46

the right decision. I have

43:48

a Dallas Turner observation. Turner,

43:52

one of the guys that was the biggest fallers based on

43:54

where the Mocs had him, say eight, nine, 10, end up

43:56

at 17. He's not gonna be thrilled.

43:58

That's not fun if you're- young dude, it's a fun

44:01

deal looking at your bank account going, Hey, I thought I

44:03

was going to be getting this. Cause that's

44:05

kind of where, where he was projected to go. Like

44:07

that's kind of like the last cutoff of some of the money.

44:09

If you look at, you know, historically some

44:11

of the scale of like, okay, where does it

44:14

feel like it falls off here a little bit?

44:16

But you're also about a million dollars per pic.

44:18

Yeah. Not, not ideal,

44:20

not ideal. If you have aspirations

44:22

for guaranteed money over a, over

44:24

a rookie contract is where it

44:26

drops off. So yeah. I

44:28

think, you know, I'm going to have to

44:30

get a place in Beaver Creek and not Aspen.

44:33

Like that's what you're thinking if you're him. So I

44:36

have these moments when I watched the

44:38

draft where there's small observations and they're

44:40

like almost that, that blink test. Okay.

44:43

Where you just see how a dude's handling himself.

44:45

When Beanie Wells fell asleep with food on his

44:48

leg, I was like, I don't know. I

44:50

don't like this footage. Like there's

44:52

better. That's not good film. When

44:55

Jamarcus Russell was drafted, number one, and

44:57

I didn't understand one fucking word

44:59

he said, except for I think young jock

45:02

seven times. I was

45:04

like, Oh, okay.

45:07

When Dallas Turner ate Doritos. What

45:09

about CD lamb? When he took

45:11

the phone, that big rookie extension,

45:13

huge extension office contract. When I

45:16

saw that decision by CD lamb,

45:18

I'm like, I want to know

45:20

this guy gets it. Yeah.

45:24

And Russell Wilson at like a beginning, I

45:26

was like, Oh no, bad decision maker. But

45:29

then he had moved on from her

45:31

and upgraded. And

45:33

so then I was like, okay, you know, this makes sense.

45:35

We didn't know that this was, I didn't know. I wasn't

45:37

familiar with your game. So when

45:40

Dallas Turner ate Doritos, I couldn't

45:42

stop wondering whether or not he

45:45

washed his hands before he started dapping up

45:47

every single person. I hope a local media

45:49

member in Minnesota is brave enough to ask

45:51

the question. Now defensive and

45:53

edge guy, you may not want him

45:55

to have washed his hands quarterback. I

45:57

would have wanted him to wash his

45:59

hands. edge guy maybe,

46:03

maybe you don't worry about it. What

46:06

are you with this theory? I mean,

46:08

outside of like Cheetos, I don't

46:10

think there's anything worse from a

46:12

stain, like immediate stain perspective than

46:14

Doritos. So you gotta do like one of

46:16

these, right? That's not gonna work

46:18

though, because you're dapping up these guys. And you're also, when

46:21

he was hugging everybody in the suits, like,

46:23

Carian's suit, I thought was one of

46:25

the nicest suits. Oh, that was so

46:27

clean. That pink suit. It

46:30

was aggressive, but it also, to your point,

46:32

was clean work. He looked great in it.

46:34

And then when he hugged him, I

46:36

was like, is he getting Doritos on the back of

46:38

this jacket? Yeah, I mean, it's, we

46:41

may never know, but it's- I don't know

46:44

forever. I don't know, Todd. Do you wanna

46:46

move on? I don't think I care that he, yeah,

46:48

I definitely wanna move on, but I don't think I

46:50

care. And I kinda respect the fact that he

46:53

doesn't care if he just like, and

46:55

honestly, the move is, dab

46:57

him up and like give him down. Cause like

46:59

Doritos, you do this and you get like the

47:01

outer crust, but there's always that like layer on

47:03

your finger, that orange layer. So that like, maybe

47:05

just a swipe on the back, like now it's

47:07

yours. That good pay dirt, right? Yeah, you wanna

47:10

be a dog if you're an edge. I

47:13

didn't really love, I didn't love the video footage of him

47:15

though. I would, I think I could, I

47:17

think I would have just as good of a hit

47:19

rate watching guys in the green room. Like,

47:21

yep, no, yep, no, no, yep, yep, yep.

47:24

So, or not green room, but like the whole thing.

47:27

Yeah, still

47:29

a working theory, still a working theory, still going with it. All right,

47:31

so let's talk, let's talk Denver

47:33

and Bo Nix, where you

47:35

could argue that what Sean Payton has done is

47:37

drafted Drew Brees at the end of Drew Brees

47:39

career. Because I think

47:42

that's the issue with Nix. I think that

47:44

it's a limited throw palette. If I wanna

47:46

try to make something simple, sound

47:48

more complicated, which we all seem to love to

47:50

do in sports. Right as

47:52

he was drafting Nix, Adam Schefter

47:55

had the incredible anecdote that Sean

47:57

Payton just knew Mahomes was gonna be the guy. was

48:00

going to draft him, was going to put

48:02

the name in, and somehow he wasn't

48:04

able to do it because Kansas City ended

48:06

up grabbing the guy where I'm like, well, if you thought he was

48:08

going to be this good, then you should have gotten in front of

48:11

somebody else. Right. Okay. So

48:13

like that. And I

48:15

just think if you're not buying it, yeah, if you're

48:17

going to take Nick's lower

48:20

the comp a little bit, lower

48:23

the comp a little bit. Like it was just

48:25

a weird combination of, Hey, he

48:27

loves Nick's. He got his guy thinks he could

48:29

be awesome. He wanted my homes and you were

48:31

like, what the hell? Like what's going on? Everything

48:34

I keep hearing is, you know, sees

48:37

a lot of the same type. Obviously they're not

48:39

exactly the same buildup, but sees a lot of

48:41

the same things in Nick's that he saw in

48:43

Drew Brees, second round pick, you

48:46

know, and, and if you, if you're buying

48:48

what's being sold, he made Drew Brees, Drew

48:50

Brees, right? Guy with the

48:53

unbelievable accuracy, quick release

48:56

fastest, you know, some of the fastest size of the

48:58

quarterback position we've seen in the last couple of decades,

49:00

like accurate, but

49:02

like not, not a guy who's going to challenge

49:04

you vertically, not, you know, not getting standing in

49:06

the pocket and driving the ball 30, 40 yards

49:09

down the field consistently, all that stuff. And

49:12

that's what Nick's could be. I mean, you, a lot of a

49:15

lot of, like, I liked his processing. I thought

49:17

when I studied, he said, I like this processing.

49:20

I'm good with him in the pocket, the toughness

49:22

hanging in there, going from read, read one, two,

49:25

three. Like I'm good with all that. I'm better

49:27

than good. I'm like, I'm not great, but I'm

49:29

like check plus not check plus plus,

49:31

if you will. Okay. Check plus

49:33

accurate. And then he's, he's really adept

49:35

and like the short intermediate stuff. I

49:38

think he didn't have to throw a ton of

49:40

anticipation throws in the, in that offense. There was

49:42

a lot of screens, short yard, you know, RPOs,

49:44

those things. And then a lot of rail

49:47

routes like verticals down the sideline. Okay. But

49:50

he sees in him and, you know, the

49:52

story came out, I think it's, you know,

49:55

I love the, the backstories about they gave

49:57

him a playbook with an install the

49:59

night before. that they worked him out. I think it was

50:01

like after his pro day, but

50:04

the night before they were going to do the private

50:06

workout with him and he and he like knew it

50:08

like he'd been playing in it for years. Right. So

50:11

Sean at that point decided he was his

50:13

guy. What I

50:15

want to say to this big picture is, like,

50:18

I love stories like this. I promise

50:21

you I've talked to, let's

50:23

call it a dozen, maybe maybe a

50:25

little more, maybe a couple less, but

50:27

at least at least 10 guys in

50:30

the league who are at high ranking

50:32

evaluators and decision makers in their organization.

50:34

Nobody else had a first round grade on him. I

50:38

view him as a backup. I

50:40

love the dude. I love the story.

50:42

I love his competitiveness. I think he's

50:44

smart football guy. He's going to give

50:47

you every ounce of him. Like, I

50:49

just love him. But if

50:51

I'm running an organization here, I think

50:53

he's probably a backup. And

50:56

I can live with that. But now

50:58

he's in Sean Payton system and Sean loves him

51:00

and they're going to work together. And

51:03

so if he was going to be just a backup,

51:05

we now know that someone has found something that

51:07

he loves and can vision what his future is.

51:09

So I do think that he's going to wind

51:11

up being better in Denver than he would have

51:14

been just about anywhere else in the league as

51:16

a second round pick. Okay. But

51:19

my goodness, this is an arrogant pick. This

51:22

is an arrogant pick. And

51:24

Sean Payton does it like he doesn't need a pat on

51:26

the back. He doesn't need to prove

51:29

anything at this point. But if

51:31

he coaches Bo Nix into a pro

51:34

bowl type of player and they go make

51:36

deep playoff runs with this guy, it's better

51:38

than any coaching job he did with through

51:40

breeze. I'm just going to say right now,

51:42

like this will be his Holland's Opus, if

51:45

you will, like this will be his thing.

51:47

Mr. Because what he did with Bruce, breeze

51:49

was great. They want a Superbowl, like, you

51:51

know, but like breeze was much more NFL,

51:53

like his skillset translated my opinion more than

51:55

Bo Nix. So this is, Hey, I

51:58

know I can coach this individual. I

52:00

know I can bring out his greatness and

52:02

but it's all dependent on Sean

52:04

Payton in his work with bow next So

52:07

it's the all-time like The

52:09

long after you're like, hey, you

52:11

guys don't think he's a starter. You're gonna take him the

52:13

second round I'm taking him at 12 and we're gonna go

52:15

chase the Super Bowl. So I love it

52:17

in that regard But

52:20

it's hard to buy it based off of what

52:22

I've seen on tape This is gonna be faster

52:24

like I'm gonna love watching Denver now I'm

52:26

gonna love watching, you know, Sean Payton what he

52:28

does with bow next because this this

52:31

is the all-time I'm better at

52:33

coaching quarterbacks than y'all I Got

52:36

this the Schefter tweet just

52:38

to give it more clarification what we're

52:40

talking about because it actually reads back

52:42

even worse Than

52:44

I remembered from last night with all the different things

52:47

flying around So Schefter's tweet is this

52:49

quote Sean Payton wanted an intended to draft the

52:51

homes in 2017 where he

52:53

held the 11th overall pick he was ready to turn

52:55

in the car before he could The Chiefs traded up

52:57

to the bill spot a 10 and took the homes

52:59

one spot before Peyton got him leaving the Saints to

53:01

draft Ohio State cornerback Marshawn Lattimore. All

53:04

right, so maybe okay, maybe but

53:06

this world and Know

53:08

that was true. I know that was true And

53:11

I know yeah, I'm talking to people in that organization

53:13

Like I knew that they wanted my homes and he

53:15

was he wasn't getting past that spot. It was 12,

53:17

right? They were picking a 12 that year. I believe

53:20

Wherever 11 whatever it was. Yeah, so

53:22

he was 11 The last line is

53:24

the part where you're like Peyton

53:27

feels as strongly about Bo Nix as he did

53:29

miles And that's where you're like, whoa Yeah,

53:33

I mean I Well, maybe to

53:35

talk to Sean and be like you so you

53:37

think he's gonna be as good as I think

53:40

he's like He feels like his conviction for what

53:42

he can get out of him It's probably as

53:44

strong as what he thought he could get out

53:46

of my home Remember my homes wasn't forever moms

53:49

mechanics were a mess. He didn't play within the

53:51

system It was a lot of the same things

53:53

were hearing about Caleb Williams But we've seen my

53:55

homes develop into my homes and people are a

53:57

lot more comfortable as the game has changed and

53:59

unique quarterbacks with more mobility who can

54:01

create, create outside of the system and what

54:04

the system is asking him. Like the game

54:06

has changed. So that's more allowed. And Mahomes

54:08

has proven I'm the best in the world

54:10

at this. So like, now

54:12

teams are like, yeah, I want that guy

54:14

versus, I'm not sure he doesn't fit what

54:17

the NFL is looking for in

54:19

terms of mechanics, footwork, pocket presence,

54:21

like, that's what not what Mahomes was.

54:23

So it was a gamble. There's a reason why he

54:25

was sitting there at 10. And if the

54:27

Chiefs loved him as much the nation have created even more to

54:29

go up and get him at one or two or three, you

54:31

know what I mean? So like, he

54:34

was a gamble and Bo Nix is a bigger gamble.

54:37

The upside was always greater with Mahomes

54:39

with Nix there. There's some upside. But

54:42

I again, Denver sees

54:44

something in him that nobody else in the

54:46

league truly sees at that same level. So

54:48

this is all Sean Payton's deal. Yeah,

54:51

look, looking

54:53

back at that draft. So the

54:55

Saints ended up with 11. So

54:58

it was right one pick right before

55:00

him. It's the Miles Garrett, Chobiskey Solomon

55:02

Thomas went third in that draft for

55:05

net. So that was the

55:07

running back that bucked the trends. But I

55:09

still wondered, okay, is that going to be

55:11

worth it? Corey Davis, who's kind of like

55:14

my NFL Jeff Green, just can't ever give

55:16

up on him. Jamal Adams, who looked like,

55:18

like, Jamal Adams was this Swiss Army knife that

55:21

fixed everything. And then he found out he might

55:23

be the single most annoying guy in the NFL.

55:26

And I

55:28

mean, he just turned into like, I don't even want to

55:30

hear from this guy anymore. Then

55:32

Mike Williams, McCaffrey, John Ross, combine

55:34

legend going nine, which is

55:36

usually always a mistake. And

55:39

then there's Mahomes right around Lattimore

55:41

and then Watson following.

55:44

So look, all right, fine. The

55:46

story's true. But man, that

55:48

is an aggressive, aggressive comp for him.

55:50

Okay, let's talk the

55:52

rest of the way here for another 10 minutes or

55:54

so on just the other stuff that you really liked

55:56

from the first round. Jacksonville, I

55:59

like that pick. I

56:01

like Jacksonville moving up, you

56:03

know, Brian Thomas, or

56:05

moving back, sorry, moving back, getting additional picks

56:08

and getting Brian Thomas, you know, they

56:10

had to fill the void, Calvin Ridley

56:12

leaving. You've got a quarterback who's at

56:15

that like, you know, fork in

56:17

the road, you know, is he going to take that

56:19

next step or are we just going to kind of keep going at

56:21

this level and how are we going to take

56:23

the next step as an organization? I think

56:25

Brian Thomas gives them that

56:27

like an outside someone who can

56:30

be a vertical threat, take advantage of Trevor Lawrence's

56:32

arm and ability to drive the ball down the

56:34

field. I like that a lot. I

56:37

love Arizona's draft. They

56:40

could like we saw Monte Austin for last year

56:42

in his first year pulling the, pulling the strings

56:44

and a lot of movement. I

56:46

think he traded or moved more than any other

56:48

GM in the league last year. And

56:51

this year he comes in and we think, all right, he's

56:53

got a bunch of picks. Could he move around? Is he

56:55

gonna get cute, move back a little bit, let the team

56:57

come up and take the quarterback. He just stayed pat. And

56:59

I don't know like the dynamics behind it. I don't know

57:01

if the calls weren't as serious as is

57:03

maybe the perception was leading up, but

57:06

I think to stay home and say, you know what? Let's

57:09

not screw this up. Let's take Marvin Harrison

57:11

Jr. We know what he's going to be. We

57:13

got to get Kyla a legitimate weapon and

57:16

that's what they did. And then, you know,

57:19

and then sitting there and getting toward

57:21

27, which was acquired from their 2023

57:24

draft trade with

57:26

the Texans landing a

57:28

disruptive defensive line. Like I don't think a lot

57:30

of people know Darius Robinson. He was an interior

57:32

defensive lineman in that 280, 283 pound range who

57:34

was a

57:38

really good player as an interior guy. Then they

57:40

moved him out to edge this past year. And

57:44

his pressure percentage double

57:47

went from 6% to 13% as an edge. So you're seeing like what

57:51

he can be as a guy, you can play in

57:53

the edge, you can kick him inside at times. But

57:56

I think getting Robinson where they did at 27, not

57:58

moving up and giving a dish, getting picks.

58:00

I've liked what they've been able to do in

58:02

a two-year span in the draft. Now we've got

58:04

to see if it's going to turn

58:06

into something on the field. And

58:09

then the receiver part was fascinating

58:11

to me too. At the end

58:13

of the first round, we had

58:15

this great receiver class, but we talked about this.

58:17

Teams want to get their offensive tackle, want to

58:19

get their quarterback, and want to get their edge

58:22

early on in the strap because they know in

58:24

the second round, it just runs

58:26

out. And so the receivers are going to fall.

58:28

And I wondered, we talked about this a lot in the

58:30

last couple podcasts, our

58:34

team's going to wait until the second round. Well,

58:36

clearly teams were like, eh, first of

58:38

all, and this is the other thing that you brought up,

58:40

which is a great point, Ryan. These

58:42

receivers are getting paid so much damn money.

58:46

Let's get into the first round, let's move

58:50

back in. Or if we're picking late in the

58:52

first, now we've waited long

58:54

enough, let's let this receiver run start. And we

58:56

saw that because we want to get that fifth

58:58

year option on them. We don't want to be

59:00

dealing with this in three years, talking about renegotiating

59:02

all that. We want to wait and get that

59:04

fifth year option. So you saw Xavier Worthy, who

59:07

makes all the sense in the world. I mean, he's

59:11

MBS, a little smaller,

59:13

faster version of MBS, but he can actually

59:15

catch the ball. Xavier Worthy, he

59:17

has some drops here and there, but he's 5.4% drop rate,

59:19

which is in the same column.

59:24

Marvin Harrison Jr. Was 6.9. Lad

59:27

McConkie was 6.3. Xavier Worthy, 5.4. So this guy can catch the

59:31

football, a lot more reliable down the field.

59:34

So they take Xavier Worthy, they move up

59:36

a few spots and get Xavier Worthy. Now

59:38

we've got locked him in for five years.

59:40

You've got Ricky Pearsall, who I think is

59:42

going to be like, everyone talked about Lad

59:44

McConkie coming out. I've always thought that Pearsall

59:47

was going to be a better pro and

59:49

at least the 49ers agreed with

59:51

that. And now it's going to be interesting to

59:53

see what Brandon Ayuk and Deebo Samuel moving forward,

59:55

like, does this signal anything? But they needed a

59:57

route runner and they got that in Pearsall. And

1:00:00

then Xavier Xavier Laguette the wide

1:00:02

receiver big vertical threat contested catches

1:00:04

down the field guy Laguette

1:00:07

comes off the board Carolina trades into 32 to

1:00:09

get him So

1:00:11

the run started with receivers there towards

1:00:13

in the last four picks of the

1:00:15

first round And I think it's

1:00:17

going to continue quickly I think it's going

1:00:19

to be a D Mitchell who has some

1:00:21

durability issues coming out of Texas But that's

1:00:23

why he's still on the board lad mcconnk

1:00:25

away mcconnky who I mentioned out of Georgia

1:00:27

Key on Coleman out of Florida State Those

1:00:30

are the guys that are come off quickly and I'm

1:00:32

interested to see if the Jets Who

1:00:35

were picking a 10 move down to 11

1:00:37

got a couple additional picks if they're gonna

1:00:39

try to package picks to move up because

1:00:41

they Really wanted a weapon but knew the

1:00:43

right decision was to take an offensive tackle

1:00:45

a left tackle an ole fushanu They

1:00:48

did the right thing. They got protection 233

1:00:51

year old offensive tackles with an aging quarterback and

1:00:53

Aaron Rodgers But now they need a weapon

1:00:55

to go with them And I think the just would

1:00:58

be a team to watch out for trading up to

1:01:00

try to get one of these second walk with second

1:01:02

round receivers Yeah, the receiver run at

1:01:04

the end was not shocking because I think it was

1:01:06

just the teams that had a need there We're going

1:01:08

we don't want to screw around with this like let's

1:01:11

just make sure we've got let's let's add

1:01:13

to this That's where the bills getting out of

1:01:15

there though. Maybe is a little surprising considering

1:01:18

how the depth chart looks at the position

1:01:20

but I had heard that only because

1:01:23

They know they need two of them, right?

1:01:26

So this like so I had been told like

1:01:28

look for them to move back and then in

1:01:30

the second and third round Take take two receivers.

1:01:33

We'll see. Okay, I'm

1:01:35

with you unworthy though Cuz I sensed the

1:01:37

hesitation from you that I have that you're

1:01:39

like, okay so Like

1:01:42

I just don't like him as much as look yet

1:01:44

But then I have to complete

1:01:46

like if worthy with a different team is

1:01:48

a different evaluation Because now with

1:01:50

my homes and going hey, do we have

1:01:52

this piece that we feel like challenges the

1:01:54

top because even though rice Was

1:01:56

was pretty good this year. I wouldn't say it was

1:01:58

like off the charts of making But pretty

1:02:01

good. It might just be an element where

1:02:03

my home's like hey, I know no

1:02:05

one's Tyreek But can we can we add something

1:02:07

that? Well, we're she rises

1:02:09

where she rises within five yards of the line

1:02:11

of scrimmage That's his game quick out quick quick,

1:02:13

you know quick select the quick game. He's got

1:02:15

screens Really

1:02:17

effective really but with that you better have someone

1:02:20

on the other side or on his side They

1:02:22

can get vertical and can take some attention away

1:02:24

from that and I guarantee you

1:02:26

this Xavier worthy Is it gonna be a

1:02:28

different receiver? With Patrick

1:02:30

Mahomes and of course when with Quinn

1:02:32

Ewers, you know, right? So I did

1:02:35

I was kind of hoping if San Francisco was gonna

1:02:37

go receiver They'd go look at because I just would

1:02:39

love to see if I you

1:02:41

could still there Deebo I you can look at all

1:02:44

lined up. I had so here's what it signals to

1:02:46

me and I kind of alluded to it Yeah, I

1:02:48

mean, yes, I got you but it

1:02:50

signals to me like who are they trying to

1:02:52

replace here? Debo is

1:02:54

not a route runner Deebo's not like the guy who's

1:02:56

gonna go down and separate with his great precision as

1:02:58

routes and all That's of Deebo's a reverse

1:03:00

putting them backfield screen game all that stuff,

1:03:02

right? We know that The

1:03:05

route runner like the consistent guy short

1:03:08

intermediate, you know a little bit beyond

1:03:10

vertical is Iuke. He's the reliable guy

1:03:13

Pearsall while he ran at four four one and had a

1:03:15

42 inch vertical and is it's more

1:03:17

much more explosive than people want to give Him

1:03:19

credit for He is I would

1:03:22

say Let's just lump them

1:03:24

together Marvin Harrison jr. O'Dunes

1:03:26

day and pier solid but three best

1:03:29

route runners in this class So

1:03:32

if you want to read into it, it looks like

1:03:34

they're trying to replace that guy now I don't know

1:03:36

when that's gonna happen But in worst

1:03:38

case is a great case you get all three

1:03:40

of these guys and you got a second really

1:03:42

good route runner But it's I don't know with

1:03:45

all the smoke pre-draft Drafting a

1:03:47

great route runner. It just seems

1:03:49

to me like something's gonna happen with ie with

1:03:51

I you I you I'm

1:03:54

talking too much. Yeah. All right,

1:03:56

let's close on this. Let's talk. Yep best

1:03:59

available. It is a really exciting group. This

1:04:01

is because I was looking

1:04:04

at the Niner's depth chart again here. It's like, you

1:04:06

know, maybe they just like, hey, do we want the

1:04:08

third receiver at least for this year until the next

1:04:10

contract decision is made where we feel like the third

1:04:12

guy because he's just been like, I've liked Jennings. I

1:04:14

liked Bell in college a lot. And I think he's

1:04:16

had little glimpses with San Francisco where you were like,

1:04:18

okay, but let's talk best available

1:04:21

as far as day two getting started.

1:04:24

Yeah. So I think with just keep

1:04:26

in mind with, um, and

1:04:28

I, I'll transfer portal

1:04:31

only 54 underclassmen coming out this year

1:04:33

where you're going to see the drop off is like

1:04:35

laid it in the third round and then fourth, fifth,

1:04:38

six, seven. It's just not as much, but no one

1:04:40

cares about that because everyone's focused on the first round

1:04:42

guys and early second round guys and all that. So

1:04:44

you're going to see a drop off, but

1:04:46

I say all that say by saying, there's

1:04:49

still a ton of talent in the second round.

1:04:51

Like you're getting big time starters, more talent in

1:04:53

the second round this year than I think in

1:04:55

some other years. Let's put it that way. Top

1:04:59

of my list, Eugene Cooper Cooper Eugene, sorry,

1:05:01

from, um, from Iowa. I thought he'd be

1:05:03

a first round pick coming off the

1:05:05

injury. A lot of teams

1:05:07

want to play him at safety or, or like

1:05:09

that star nickel position. Don't know if he's going

1:05:11

to be an outside corner bottom

1:05:13

line. Like a lot of guys I trust in the

1:05:15

league really like him as a football player and he

1:05:17

can be a punt returner as well. So little

1:05:20

surprise with the gene still on the board, but he

1:05:22

won't, it won't take long to come off the board.

1:05:24

One of your favorite players in the draft. And to

1:05:26

be honest, one of my favorite players in the draft,

1:05:29

Johnny Newton, Illinois defensive tackle,

1:05:32

Zurn, Johnny Newton. I'm

1:05:34

surprised he's a three technique. Um,

1:05:36

I think, I think Grady Jarrett, I've said all along,

1:05:38

he is Grady Jarrett. So if three team looking for

1:05:40

a three technique penetrate, get up the field, Johnny Newton

1:05:43

is going to come off the board quickly. Kool-Aid, McKinstry.

1:05:45

It's interesting listening to Nick Saban. I don't know if

1:05:47

you heard him last night. He

1:05:49

loves Terry on honor. Miss Terry,

1:05:51

his wife loves Terry on

1:05:53

Arnold character. I did the, and

1:05:56

he loves the fact that he, he didn't transfer when

1:05:58

things were down. Nick was, was. on him

1:06:00

hard. He was kind of a bust based off

1:06:02

of where he was recruited and what he was

1:06:05

supposed to be for the first couple of years.

1:06:07

But then this past year he grinded through it,

1:06:09

didn't transfer and became the player that he was.

1:06:11

But McKinstry, if you really listened to Nick last

1:06:14

night, he's like, I

1:06:16

get it. Terry has got all the measurables

1:06:18

and the upside may be higher, but like

1:06:20

Kool-Aid's the guy. Like he, the instincts that

1:06:23

he's natural corners played there his whole life.

1:06:25

Like Arnold was safety. Anyway, Kool-Aid to me

1:06:27

was the guy that Nick was kind of

1:06:29

pushing. If you want a guy who can

1:06:31

come in and play right now and be

1:06:33

better, it's Kool-Aid. So I don't think he

1:06:35

lasts long at the cornerback position. Then after

1:06:37

that, AD Mitchell, wide receiver

1:06:39

Texas, we talked about why he's still

1:06:42

available, but he's explosive at 6-2, 2-0,

1:06:44

5, ran a 4-3, 4-0. At

1:06:48

the Lad McConkie, the other wide receiver

1:06:50

we mentioned from Georgia, Keon Coleman, another

1:06:52

receiver we mentioned from Florida State, big

1:06:54

guy, doesn't have great speed, 4-6-1, but

1:06:56

he's physical and can make contested catches.

1:06:58

Then a few other guys, not at

1:07:00

receiver. Braden Fisk, I

1:07:02

told you, I love this guy. He is,

1:07:04

he's just a spark plug defensive tackle. Ennis

1:07:07

Reikestra, the cornerback from Missouri, another cornerback,

1:07:10

Max Melton from Rutgers, Chris Jenkins, a

1:07:12

player I really like. There's just a

1:07:14

lot of talent. There's a lot of

1:07:16

talent. I

1:07:18

think there will be a lot of teams trying to move up to

1:07:20

get one in like the top 15, 17

1:07:23

picks of the second round because they know that

1:07:25

there are guys who are pretty much as good

1:07:27

as like picks 23, 24, 25 in the first

1:07:30

round. You were awesome throughout

1:07:32

the season and certainly a lot of

1:07:35

stuff in and this has been a

1:07:37

terrific week. So thanks and

1:07:39

I know it's probably weird for you sitting at

1:07:41

home for the first time in what, 20 years?

1:07:44

Yeah, I'm gonna hold

1:07:46

off on say

1:07:48

it. I'm trying to

1:07:50

be a good boy. It was

1:07:52

interesting watching the draft last night on all

1:07:54

the different broadcasts. It

1:07:57

seemed maybe it was because it was chalk, but it was,

1:07:59

it was. Not as like the

1:08:01

urgency and like, you know from here to there

1:08:04

Maybe the trades is what creates that it

1:08:06

felt like in my career sitting on the desk

1:08:08

I guess with the energy of the crowd. It

1:08:10

was a lot more exciting than what I experienced

1:08:13

last night. I'll leave it there That's

1:08:15

gonna be weird. It's gonna be weird Weirdly

1:08:19

at peace with it like good

1:08:21

sabbatical year. I know where I don't know exactly

1:08:24

where I'm gonna be, but I know We're

1:08:27

heading there for next year. I'm excited

1:08:29

about what's coming up Had

1:08:32

a lot of a lot of time with the kids

1:08:34

this year a lot of good stuff So I'm I'm

1:08:36

weirdly cool with it I've been a lot of people

1:08:38

text me yesterday, but but it's time to go. Here

1:08:40

we go 2025. I'm ready We'll

1:08:44

be we'll be watching. Thanks as always thought appreciate

1:08:46

it. All right, brother. I'll talk to you soon You

1:08:53

Want details fine, I

1:08:55

drive a Ferrari 355 Cabriolet What's

1:08:58

up? I? Have

1:09:00

a ridiculous house in the South Fork. I

1:09:02

have every toy you can possibly imagine and

1:09:05

best of all kids. I am liquid

1:09:08

So now you know what's possible. Let

1:09:11

me tell you what's required. Okay, we're

1:09:13

doing this live here on YouTube with

1:09:15

Kyle and Steve Life advice the email

1:09:17

addresses life advice are [email protected] I'm

1:09:21

ready to go. I don't know how How

1:09:23

much we need to check in with everybody here? Were

1:09:26

you guys that was reviews? Have

1:09:29

you ever left the review? Not

1:09:31

motivated by like a coupon code or something.

1:09:33

Have you gone? You know what? I had

1:09:35

this experience I'm now going to leave a

1:09:38

review eBay who on a

1:09:40

seller. So yeah, so me a broken Xbox I

1:09:43

think I bought a women's watch by accident, but

1:09:45

it wasn't advertised So that one when

1:09:47

I first got to college of like the freedom thing kind of

1:09:49

hit me hard And I was like I could buy whatever I

1:09:51

want and I kind of depleted all my savings like You

1:09:54

know by like secondhand polo like button-ups

1:09:56

and like just lots of stuff that

1:09:58

like I thought I could never have but

1:10:00

then I was just kind of running wild. So I think

1:10:03

I got like a kitschy stuff too. I had

1:10:05

like a golf ball grinder, which people were like, why didn't

1:10:07

you just get a regular one? So it's

1:10:09

just like I was buying everything on eBay. And sometimes,

1:10:11

at least back then, they weren't

1:10:14

always betting everything that went through. So I left

1:10:16

a couple of reviews there, but other than that,

1:10:18

no. I've left a couple on Amazon just because,

1:10:20

yeah, mostly if it's like you're just trying to

1:10:22

help out your fellow man, if something's not that

1:10:24

seems, that's really it. Like if you

1:10:27

got screwed and there's like clearly somebody pulling one over

1:10:29

on somebody else, like let your fellow man

1:10:31

know what's going down. But no, I love going

1:10:33

on Yelp though. And some guys like give

1:10:35

us like a restaurant, like a one star review because, you

1:10:38

know, like the water didn't have ice in it. You're like,

1:10:40

come on, come on guy. You

1:10:43

got my drink order. One friend

1:10:45

from the international dining.

1:10:47

They hate ice over there. So, you

1:10:49

know, what are you gonna do? I saw some stand up

1:10:51

the other day where the guy was like, the effort it

1:10:53

takes to leave the three star review. You

1:10:56

know, not bad. Yeah,

1:10:59

it was really good. Well,

1:11:01

executed. Like I need to let the world

1:11:03

know the steak was fine. Because

1:11:07

you're more of a burger. I bet we're burgers.

1:11:09

You're always more motivated to complain about something than

1:11:11

you are to praise it. But if the level

1:11:13

of effort into complain,

1:11:16

praise and

1:11:18

then just tell people everything's

1:11:20

like, yeah, it's all right. But

1:11:22

let me make sure I share this with

1:11:24

the world. That's real dedication is the third

1:11:26

option. And some of those sites, you can

1:11:28

see the person's like, you know, spooty

1:11:31

717, 97 reviews. You're

1:11:34

like, wow, this is a way of life for you. And I imagine

1:11:36

you're not getting paid either. So that's just like a real extreme

1:11:39

hobby. Okay, well that leads

1:11:41

to this six foot 185 player comp

1:11:43

Thabo Sepulosia Scribey Defender, limited

1:11:46

offensive game. Again, Thabo wore the Air Max, the 1990 Air

1:11:48

Maxes in

1:11:51

basketball games. And I know

1:11:53

people said it's because of the injury that

1:11:57

happened when he got in the altercation with the police that

1:11:59

seems to be. pretty aggressive, but still I

1:12:01

can't imagine playing basketball on the shows. No

1:12:03

traditional gym stats, but I could squat clean

1:12:05

225, which leads me into my

1:12:07

dilemma. I've been going to a small privately owned gym

1:12:10

for less than a year now, small facility, but never

1:12:12

crowded and has all the equipment you need. The one

1:12:14

problem is the owner is kind of a dick. Well,

1:12:17

there've been a few odd moments, two over

1:12:19

the last month resulted in a minor verbal

1:12:21

altercation between us this week. The

1:12:23

first was directly after I finished a tough workout,

1:12:25

was sitting on a bench to catch my breath,

1:12:27

some staff at the gym, which is currently minor

1:12:29

renovations, removing a lot of equipment and materials out

1:12:32

of a second side room so it could be clean when the owner

1:12:34

looks at me and yells, is you really going to sit there and

1:12:36

stare at us and not get over here and help me try to

1:12:38

make the gym nice for you? What's

1:12:42

the like, hey, I'm here doing a workout.

1:12:45

I just finished shoulders. Yeah,

1:12:47

well, like this is like your

1:12:49

dad yelling at you. You

1:12:51

just going to sit there, play video games all day? Hey,

1:12:53

Chip and Nick, could you just go over there playing with

1:12:55

your thumbs? I love Chip and Nick, yeah, it's never going to

1:12:57

get old. Chip and Nick is great,

1:12:59

great repost. Do you love Chip and Nick? Yeah,

1:13:03

while a little put off by the comment, as I

1:13:05

am not employed by the gym, we're put off on

1:13:07

your behalf. I proceeded to be a good

1:13:09

guy and helped them finish up moving things for 10

1:13:11

minutes to which I received no thank you or acknowledgement.

1:13:14

The second incident was after another gym goer just

1:13:16

finished squatting 305 and a rack

1:13:18

the entire side of weights first, so three plates

1:13:20

proceeded, well, maybe not three,

1:13:24

proceeded to fall off the bar onto my

1:13:26

foot as I was grabbing water in between

1:13:28

sets. That's not great. He was extremely apologetic

1:13:30

and thankfully, I was not seriously injured, but

1:13:32

the gym owner was standing about 10 yards

1:13:34

away, did not even acknowledge anything happened. Fast

1:13:36

forward to the end of my workout, which

1:13:38

I was doing some Olympic lifting and could

1:13:40

use and use chalk. I recognize using chalk

1:13:42

is generally a bad guy move, but typically

1:13:44

extremely conscious about wiping everything down after the

1:13:46

use. I accidentally forgot to clean up

1:13:48

some that was on the ground leaving the gym

1:13:50

and entering my car. The gym owner comes out

1:13:52

berating me to get back in there and clean

1:13:54

the chalk and says the only reason he isn't hotter,

1:13:57

quote, he isn't hotter is because I had weights.

1:14:00

dropped my foot that day, I quickly respond seriously.

1:14:02

I'm sorry, I forgot to clean

1:14:04

the shock one time and walk back in and wiped

1:14:06

it up. I have no problem with the substance of

1:14:08

why he was mad. I should clean up the chalk

1:14:10

but the tone and weight drop comment pissed me off

1:14:12

and no it but respecting he was working with a

1:14:15

client something clearly he didn't care about. I left and

1:14:17

sent an email saying I would be happy to chat

1:14:19

in person reference to two incidents and said I want

1:14:21

to be treated with more respect as a paying customer.

1:14:23

He responds still like not acknowledging any of his crazy

1:14:25

behavior towards a customer. Yes, let's chat in person. I

1:14:28

want to bring some things to your attention to honor

1:14:30

my word. I went back in the next day to

1:14:32

chat. However, he wasn't there. So I sent an email

1:14:34

saying he could call me if he wanted to talk

1:14:36

which I did not hear from him. I

1:14:38

have already decided to cancel my membership and go

1:14:41

elsewhere but is leaving a bad Google review and

1:14:43

a small business going too far. I've never left

1:14:45

a bad Google review in my life and know

1:14:47

the impact they can have. But one,

1:14:49

fuck this guy to I feel like the

1:14:51

potential gym goer should be aware of how

1:14:53

he treats customers. Sorry for the long

1:14:55

email. Love the pot. Lock

1:14:58

on up. Steve. I have no issue

1:15:00

with it. I'm typically I've talked about this

1:15:02

in previous things like I don't send food back. I

1:15:04

really don't like to be confrontational. This guy just sounds

1:15:06

like he doesn't like you. So I

1:15:09

think fuck this guy. And I'd leave the review ordinarily

1:15:13

I would not it was like a minor thing or you know,

1:15:15

you don't like certain things about the gym or even if they're

1:15:17

like the guy who owns it is a hardo you just don't

1:15:19

like him but he's he's like personally attacking you and then now

1:15:21

avoiding you. I don't

1:15:23

I say I don't know that I'd personally do it but I wouldn't have

1:15:26

an issue if you did it. I think

1:15:28

I would give pause of the small business thing

1:15:30

like if this was the you know, the Hollywood

1:15:32

LA fitness, no doubt. But I mean, there's a

1:15:34

there's a swa any anything like that, like a

1:15:36

big business. There's already enough bad reviews that you

1:15:38

probably don't even need to throw one more on

1:15:41

the pile. It seems like this guy is like

1:15:43

was treating that gym like average Joe's from

1:15:45

dodgeball like this is a collective we're all pulling

1:15:47

our weight here but he's not really a good

1:15:49

communicator at all. Like, like he was trying to

1:15:51

like get you involved like he's gonna sit over

1:15:54

there while we're while we're improving the gym like

1:15:56

yeah, sorry, this isn't average Joe's and like I don't

1:15:58

have a stake in this company here. I

1:16:01

think leaving would have been just what I did. I don't think I would

1:16:04

do the small business killer thing, but I don't

1:16:07

know. It seems like the guy is more unaware than he is evil. But

1:16:11

I don't know. Do you? Is there any chance

1:16:13

the emailer is a pain in the ass? No,

1:16:16

because I think he – oh, all right.

1:16:18

Well, what do you got? Well, there's

1:16:21

no evidence in this email, but why else would

1:16:23

this guy who owns this place be such a

1:16:25

hardo to use specifically about this? You're

1:16:27

not asking anybody else to do it.

1:16:30

So clearly, he has isolated you as

1:16:32

a problem or somebody that needs to

1:16:35

carry their weight despite the fact that

1:16:37

you're a paying customer. So it's not out of the realm of possibility

1:16:39

for me. Who knows? You have to

1:16:41

be self-aware. We don't have a lot of evidence. The chalk

1:16:44

thing does kind of suck. He tapped his chest on that,

1:16:46

though. He didn't – he wasn't like – I was on

1:16:48

my way to do it. He could have totally lied and

1:16:50

been like, I went to the water fountain and I was

1:16:52

coming back. Like, he told the real story, it sounds like.

1:16:55

He was in the car, right. So I think the

1:16:57

only thing that was a little alarming is that when

1:16:59

he wasn't thanked, he told us that he wasn't thanked

1:17:01

for moving any of the stuff. Now,

1:17:03

it sounds like it's a small

1:17:05

gym. It's not a corporate gym. It's not

1:17:07

a franchise gym. So this is this guy's

1:17:10

life's work, okay? This is this

1:17:12

guy's life's work. And if the owner was

1:17:14

comfortable enough to tell you to help him

1:17:16

move shit for free for 10 minutes, and

1:17:19

while saying – The

1:17:21

reason I'm actually probably more on the emailer side, although

1:17:23

I was playing devil's advocate, is for

1:17:26

you to go to a client and be like, I'm

1:17:28

doing this for you. Be like, hey,

1:17:30

dude, I'm not your kid and this isn't an

1:17:32

addition that you're building where I have to,

1:17:34

like, haul garbage out, right? Here's

1:17:36

the mulch bag, dude. They're spreading it out.

1:17:39

I'll never forget one girlfriend where

1:17:42

they were asking us to babysit their kids.

1:17:44

So it was like a brother-in-law sister type

1:17:46

of thing. So I,

1:17:48

you know, obviously wasn't married, but it was

1:17:50

a fairly serious relationship. And I was

1:17:52

kind of like, I don't want to get stuck watching kids

1:17:54

for, like, the whole weekend, you know? I'm going to get

1:17:56

out and about. And then I think

1:17:59

the guy drives away. like, hey, you know, we're doing this

1:18:01

for you. And you being part of

1:18:03

the family, I was like, holy shit, what a terrible projection.

1:18:05

I was like, that's probably not gonna happen. I

1:18:08

have to watch the kids because you're doing something

1:18:11

that down the road that I'll be benefiting from

1:18:13

when I marry into the family. And like all

1:18:15

these things are gonna happen. I was like, what

1:18:17

an aggressive overstatement of the current situation. Is

1:18:20

that what gaslighting is? I've been trying

1:18:22

to understand it for three years now. Is that what gaslighting is.

1:18:24

I gotta be honest with you. I love that

1:18:27

Kyle just said that. Because

1:18:29

there's been a few times

1:18:31

where I've been told like, oh,

1:18:34

you're just gaslighting. And I've heard it

1:18:36

said so many times. And I don't think

1:18:38

I knew what it meant for like two years myself. I

1:18:40

think I even looked it up once finally. I was like,

1:18:42

we did this on the pod. What's

1:18:44

that? We did this on the pod. It didn't land with

1:18:47

me. It still hasn't landed with me. I don't know. So

1:18:50

can I get a quick yes or no? We don't have

1:18:52

to go on any further. Gaslighting? No, I

1:18:54

don't think so. No, the search

1:18:56

continues. Okay. You're

1:18:58

never gonna know. Gaslighting

1:19:05

right now. Yeah. Why

1:19:07

is it that you think it's so important to

1:19:09

know what it actually means? Did I just gaslight

1:19:11

it now? I might've got it. You might've just

1:19:14

hammered it home. Why are you used to be

1:19:16

so weird about it? Like seriously, maybe you should

1:19:18

spend some time and ask yourself some real questions

1:19:20

about like what you need to know and not

1:19:22

know. Maybe that's more important. Message

1:19:25

received. Thank you. Yeah. Okay. Can

1:19:27

I just say really quickly? I think that

1:19:29

did work. I just want to say just so everybody doesn't think I'm a huge

1:19:31

dick. Maybe this guy was having a bad

1:19:33

day too. Like if this is a one off thing, like

1:19:36

don't send the Yelp review, but like it

1:19:39

does seem a little personal. I don't know.

1:19:41

There's something off. It does feel a little personal.

1:19:43

And like, because he was like, hey, he didn't

1:19:46

thank me. I thought, wait, is there any chance

1:19:48

in the chalk thing? Like, all right. If you're

1:19:50

always that guy, then maybe there's a problem. And

1:19:52

then when he said, yeah, let's chat person. I

1:19:54

want to bring some things to your attention. If

1:19:56

you seriously haven't done anything wrong, other than like

1:20:00

It's like I'm trying to think okay of all the things

1:20:02

you could share with me did wrong But the only thing

1:20:04

you've actually ever done wrong was the chalk thing I would

1:20:06

be so excited to go to this thing I would

1:20:08

have been like I can't wait to talk

1:20:10

to this guy to hear about the other

1:20:12

things that need to be brought to My

1:20:14

attention while I tell him very directly to

1:20:17

go fuck himself unless he's an absolute beast

1:20:19

of a guy on every sort of injectable

1:20:21

That I would probably refrain from like really

1:20:23

getting into it with him. But you

1:20:25

know, I just When

1:20:28

it's a small business here Isn't

1:20:30

this can't you be selfish? Can't this

1:20:32

be a moment where it's not pro

1:20:34

community? Can't it just be like

1:20:36

hey my Transaction was this maybe there was some

1:20:38

issue here with me Like I

1:20:40

still don't even know if I'd root against them But

1:20:43

knowing how hard it is to run your own business

1:20:45

and what kind of accomplishment that would feel like the

1:20:47

years the guy is Probably like I

1:20:49

probably still wouldn't have it in me based

1:20:51

on these interactions to then want to leave

1:20:53

a bad review That's just me though. Yeah,

1:20:55

I know I agree We

1:20:58

all agree in addition to watching a lot of Judge

1:21:00

Judy, I also watch a lot of Bar

1:21:03

rescue and even even kitchen

1:21:05

nightmares. The new season is pretty good. Actually,

1:21:07

I heard I think I

1:21:10

think a lot of being a dick doesn't make you a

1:21:12

bad person And I think a lot of times like you

1:21:14

don't understand What these people are

1:21:16

going through and like if you if you could

1:21:19

actually do some real damage like I think it's

1:21:21

better to Not I think that's just part of

1:21:23

like being a good person. There's there's a good

1:21:25

chance. He's avoiding you Was two

1:21:27

reasons either he realized

1:21:30

that he screwed up and he's just like,

1:21:32

alright, I'm just gonna let this calm down I'm just gonna avoid it.

1:21:34

I screwed up. Hopefully this guy just lets this go or He

1:21:37

like really doesn't like you and doesn't want to confront you about it But

1:21:40

doesn't also doesn't have any evidence for you to like other than

1:21:42

the one thing that he got pissed off about so That's

1:21:45

why I kind of don't think that this guy's like

1:21:47

the emailer is secretly a

1:21:50

dick or like screwing stuff up because Otherwise

1:21:52

if I was the gym owner I would have been or

1:21:54

I would have been early to that meeting being like here's

1:21:56

a list Of all the shit that you do here that

1:21:58

pisses me off, you know, three-inch George, your balls

1:22:00

are always touching stuff. It's been brought

1:22:02

up to other people. You asked how

1:22:04

my wife, we

1:22:07

saw you steal three protein bars. Yeah,

1:22:10

I mean, there's potentially like a lot of stuff, but

1:22:12

it doesn't sound like, now why would

1:22:14

the emailer admit the chalk thing but then nothing else? And I

1:22:16

think you also brought up another good point. He either didn't show

1:22:18

up to the meeting because he's a small business owner and he's

1:22:20

super, super busy. Or he like

1:22:24

is peak aggressive in

1:22:26

the moment. And then like a lot of people

1:22:28

a little bit later on, he's like, all right,

1:22:30

I actually don't wanna go to the meeting

1:22:33

because I'm wrong. And now that I'm away

1:22:35

from the altercation, I even have some self-awareness

1:22:37

on it. Okay, would this be scamming my

1:22:39

company? We'll do another one here and then

1:22:42

we'll ask the married guys another one. All

1:22:44

right, 36 years old, 5'10", 190 bench, 185

1:22:47

for 20 reps, run a six mile, six

1:22:50

minute mile. Let's suck at basketball. So my

1:22:52

pickup comp is the night

1:22:54

Tony Snell, the 28 minutes of cardio put up

1:22:56

zero stats. Been listening since 2010, tails from the

1:22:58

couch and have a dilemma for you guys. The

1:23:00

large evil company I work for asks for

1:23:04

us to come to the office three days

1:23:06

per week and offers a thousand dollar reimbursement

1:23:08

stipend for home office equipment. My

1:23:11

guess is that the company's not actually big

1:23:13

and evil, maybe. I have all

1:23:15

the stuff I could possibly need at home, but it feels

1:23:17

like I should take advantage of this. Nobody would ever know

1:23:20

if I bought a thousand dollars worth of stuff, got reimbursed,

1:23:22

then returned it all and kept the cash related. I feel

1:23:24

generally underpaid for my position and looking for the exit anyway.

1:23:27

Also related, the stuff this company does

1:23:29

is pure evil and

1:23:31

humanity would be better off without us and most of

1:23:33

our clients. All right, so it does sound like he

1:23:35

does feel like it's evil because that's twice and then

1:23:38

humanity. You thought about looking for other jobs. You

1:23:41

can make an argument. Logan Roy is worse

1:23:43

than Hitler. All right. The

1:23:47

futures of several continents depend on his

1:23:49

health. Yeah.

1:23:54

I don't truly need the money, but I don't want to just leave

1:23:56

it on the table and I could put it towards

1:23:58

my wedding this fall or a nice vacation. Should I hesitate? on

1:24:00

this or just let it rip. I am

1:24:02

always very anti ripping people

1:24:04

off because I think eventually you get

1:24:06

exposed for it. I think

1:24:08

there was somebody that got into it with Van

1:24:10

Pelt who didn't want to hire Van Pelt at

1:24:13

ESPN and was like, he's golf and he's local

1:24:15

TV. He's not national. He's not network. Yeah.

1:24:19

And then I think the guy got busted for like rounding

1:24:21

up on some travel reports or something. I

1:24:23

don't know. So Van Pelt

1:24:26

never hesitated to kind of feel like

1:24:28

there was a little cosmic thing

1:24:30

at play. But even every now

1:24:33

and then, look, I'm just telling you every now

1:24:35

and then you'd be like, what happened to that

1:24:37

guy? And be like, dude, he was submitting fake

1:24:39

taxi trip receipts. You're like, wow.

1:24:41

So his career here is over for maybe

1:24:43

like 800 bucks, you know,

1:24:45

depending on how long he was submitting the

1:24:48

fake taxi transactions here. This

1:24:50

seems, dare

1:24:53

I say, Kyle, a little

1:24:55

easier to pull off and

1:24:57

maybe justifiable if he is

1:25:00

working for cruises. Nice.

1:25:04

We're back to succession. I love it. I

1:25:07

think like if you want to do some shit that

1:25:09

your pastor wouldn't like, and you want to like chalk

1:25:11

it up to like sticking it to the

1:25:13

man, this is because you want free shit or free

1:25:15

or like, you know, found money. This isn't just like

1:25:17

say what it is. Like, I think I could pull

1:25:19

this like little mini heist off and it feels good

1:25:22

to think about. Not like, oh, we're, we're sticking it

1:25:24

to Philip Morris or something. Like that's not what it

1:25:26

is. Right. You working for them or whatever. Like you

1:25:28

clearly don't have that many, like, just keep the morality

1:25:30

out of it because you already know, like, you're just

1:25:32

trying to justify, you know, chalking

1:25:35

up a win when it, you know, there's

1:25:37

some tampering involved. So I would just say

1:25:39

be honest with yourself. I don't

1:25:42

have, I'm trying to think. I

1:25:45

don't have a huge issue with it. I

1:25:48

think because you already don't like this company and

1:25:50

you probably don't care. It doesn't, you

1:25:52

said you don't need the money. So it doesn't sound like you

1:25:54

really care if you get fired or not and you want to

1:25:56

make a couple extra thousand bucks to fund your wedding and you

1:25:58

can probably I would just find a

1:26:00

job if you get fired anyway. I'm used to having

1:26:02

a very confident, so I'm just assuming that. I

1:26:05

think this is, I would not do it normally, but I think

1:26:07

this is one of the rare instances where I'm like, yeah, whatever,

1:26:09

let it ride. Like you don't like this company clearly. Not

1:26:12

that you don't like them, you should have hate them.

1:26:14

Like the wording of this email, it's like, you know,

1:26:16

what are they doing? Like I'm nervous now for you.

1:26:18

Like, could you look for another job? But in the

1:26:20

meantime, I don't, if you think that you're like getting

1:26:22

one over on some shitty company, ordinarily

1:26:26

I would say no, but I'm a yes here. I

1:26:28

just don't think you're doing anything good. Like

1:26:30

I wasn't, you know, swiping t-shirts from Modell's and

1:26:32

protest of Nike sweatshops. I wanted some fucking t-shirts.

1:26:34

Like I think that's just what we got to

1:26:36

say here, right? Allegedly.

1:26:39

Well, it puts everybody in a tough spot. It's

1:26:41

like three guys are going, rip

1:26:43

the man off and rip him off

1:26:46

at every turn. And

1:26:48

it's like, what's

1:26:51

going on with those guys? Let's do

1:26:53

a full audit of the

1:26:55

latest nephew Kyle expense submission, right?

1:26:58

So, got

1:27:00

to see him because he does that. Yeah.

1:27:03

Kyle's not doing that. He's

1:27:05

got too much integrity. Yeah, I buy

1:27:07

my beers on the road. You guys

1:27:09

don't buy my beers. He

1:27:14

seems like he's okay with it. He seems like, I think

1:27:16

you're going to do it. I think you're going to be

1:27:18

fine. I got to be honest with you. Maybe it's worth

1:27:21

a thousand bucks to order all the stuff, have it be

1:27:23

delivered, then actually

1:27:25

submit the receipts, get the

1:27:27

check and then go in the car. Like I think

1:27:29

I'd pay you a thousand bucks just to move stuff

1:27:31

around that much. Anyway,

1:27:34

so I don't want to say what the company

1:27:36

is in that email and all right. I'm not, we won't say it, but

1:27:38

I just want, I want to know maybe afterwards, like, cause I just, I

1:27:40

need to know, I don't know. What is it? What is

1:27:42

it? What does he do? Also,

1:27:44

I have the stuff this company does is pure evil

1:27:46

and humanity would be better off without us and most

1:27:48

of our clients. Mine

1:27:50

too. On top of everything

1:27:52

else. God, is it one of

1:27:54

those credit score repair companies

1:27:57

that tell you like, and then we're

1:27:59

just. After letter

1:28:01

and they have 30 days and

1:28:03

if they don't respond and it's like oh,

1:28:05

okay Yeah, it's like one of those companies

1:28:07

that scam to old people on the phone Yeah, I don't know

1:28:09

or young people with that credit Kyle no Kyle. Kyle and I

1:28:11

are looking at each other Like

1:28:15

alright, yeah, no, no things are looking up. I'm

1:28:17

gonna start fixing my credit score Like I'm talking

1:28:19

to this this outfit out of Utah all

1:28:21

over it and then you're like,

1:28:23

oh wait This doesn't work and I'm said if

1:28:25

I call this plan. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah,

1:28:28

here's the plan. It's so good They're like we're

1:28:30

gonna hit it with so many letters We're gonna

1:28:32

call them all the time and if they don't

1:28:34

respond within this amount of time they have to

1:28:36

remove it from your report and

1:28:38

you're like or None

1:28:40

of that happens Anyway,

1:28:43

all right One more maybe

1:28:46

two more female woman Nice

1:28:50

a looking in otherwise known as yep. Yep

1:28:52

saying you guys should have me on don't

1:28:55

know you would never do it. Well

1:28:59

What why don't you want to come on? She

1:29:01

said we need a female woman perspective. Oh Which

1:29:04

we have planned Joy Taylor is gonna

1:29:06

join us, but I just don't understand

1:29:09

why anybody'd be like, hey, but you think we

1:29:11

don't know any female women Oh, I'd

1:29:13

like to love that. Hey, we

1:29:15

had Nikki Klaser on last year

1:29:19

I Love

1:29:22

this so glad this is life Position

1:29:25

is hey Nikki

1:29:28

Glaser episode 17 months ago.

1:29:30

Hey, she's great. I remember

1:29:32

that one back off Okay,

1:29:39

okay asking my

1:29:41

future father-in-law for his daughter's hand

1:29:43

in marriage gang gang

1:29:45

gang 6

1:29:49

4 2 20. Did you ever say gang gang ever or

1:29:51

on God Kyle? Oh, Gosh, not

1:29:54

the latter but the former yes Use

1:29:56

it in a sentence. Nope won't do it You

1:30:00

can't make me. You can't make me.

1:30:04

When and how often did you... I didn't

1:30:06

even think this was a yes and now that it is,

1:30:08

I don't know that I can do anything else. When? The

1:30:12

main gang of the ring. 2010 to

1:30:14

2013 range, maybe, I'm guessing. I

1:30:18

think it was definitely a Poughkeepsie. I can promise

1:30:20

you, it was definitely a Poughkeepsie. Did

1:30:23

you ever yell G unit at the top of

1:30:26

your lungs in a parking lot? Probably within

1:30:28

the last two months. I mean, I'm gonna get

1:30:30

to that. I'm still checking

1:30:32

eBay to see if they got any more

1:30:34

heavyweight tees out. I've seen all the ones

1:30:36

they're offering. Free AO,

1:30:39

dude. A lot

1:30:41

of them were in tough shape. NBA

1:30:43

comp Chase Buddinger. Good

1:30:46

volleyball player. What's that? Good

1:30:48

volleyball player. Yeah, he's down the street. You

1:30:51

hear about him all the time. Is he really? Yeah,

1:30:53

guys are like, hey, we've won this tournament

1:30:55

with Chase. At

1:30:58

what point, like, good

1:31:01

for Chase. But I think it's really

1:31:03

cool invite, but also kind of a funny invite. Like,

1:31:05

what are you doing tonight? Well, I

1:31:07

don't know Chase Buddinger at all, but I'm gonna go

1:31:09

see him. And

1:31:12

his mutual friend invited me because they

1:31:14

had a really good beach volleyball tournament

1:31:16

result. And I'm pretty excited.

1:31:19

Pretty excited. Maybe that's not good. Maybe not at all.

1:31:21

Maybe he's really being nice to me and offering me

1:31:23

a cool invite knowing that he has a basketball background.

1:31:25

And I too share a passion about basketball. Anytime

1:31:29

you're putting yourself out there and meeting new

1:31:31

people, I'm all for it, man. So. Yeah.

1:31:34

Actually, you know what? You know what, Ceruti, next time I do

1:31:36

get invited to a Chase Buddinger themed event, I

1:31:38

go now because you're probably an interesting crowd. Yeah,

1:31:41

probably. There's some female women there. They

1:31:45

love volleyball, the female women. Yeah.

1:31:47

I'm planning on proposing to my girlfriend,

1:31:49

speaking of, five years in

1:31:52

the coming months. She is awesome. We have

1:31:54

a great relationship and excited about our future

1:31:56

together. The problem of her father is an

1:31:58

absolute... See you next

1:32:00

Tuesday. Our

1:32:03

guy's 31 though, all right? Our guy's 31 and he's 6'4

1:32:05

and he's 220. So,

1:32:08

you know, nice. For

1:32:11

context, he's a relatively successful guy. He owns

1:32:13

a small to medium sized business and is

1:32:16

a high functioning alcoholic. Ooh, okay.

1:32:19

His typical day consists of working from eight to

1:32:22

midday before drinking 10 to 15 drinks with his

1:32:24

buddies for the next six hours, betting on horse

1:32:26

racing and smoking a pack of cigarettes. Kyle,

1:32:29

do you want us to connect you to this guy? While

1:32:32

he has no doubt had an out of body

1:32:34

experience, whilst,

1:32:38

great use of the word, while he has no

1:32:40

doubt been a strong financial support to his family,

1:32:42

he's been a completely absent

1:32:46

father for most of

1:32:48

his children's lives. The relationship is particularly strained

1:32:50

with my girlfriend, the oldest, the byproduct of

1:32:52

the multiple interventions she's attempted to hold with

1:32:54

him. We've lived abroad for over two years

1:32:57

and they haven't spoken once during this time.

1:32:59

My relationship is very limited. See

1:33:01

him maybe twice a year. However, he's relatively polite,

1:33:03

friendly. My issue, do I need to go down

1:33:06

the old fashioned path of still asking his permission

1:33:08

for his daughter's hand in marriage? Is relatively conservative.

1:33:10

He's relatively conservative in the type of man who

1:33:12

would expect this. I know not asking

1:33:15

would create even more friction in the family. However, I

1:33:17

really don't want to give him the satisfaction of thinking

1:33:19

he has any type of ownership of my girlfriend's life.

1:33:21

Do I one, suck it up, ask him, avoid any

1:33:23

further attention in the family. Despite all the above, he

1:33:25

actually likes me. So I know he'd say yes. Two,

1:33:28

ask only my girlfriend's mom who have a

1:33:30

relatively good relationship. I'm mindful of this, but may

1:33:33

put her in a precarious situation. Three, alpha

1:33:35

him and propose without speaking to either parent

1:33:37

in the process, showing my hand of how

1:33:39

I really feel about him. Would love to

1:33:41

hear what Kyle, Sir Roods and O2 Resilla

1:33:43

did prior to popping the question. I asked

1:33:45

no one. I forgot. I

1:33:48

meant to, I forgot. You

1:33:50

forgot. I forgot, it was on the list of things to

1:33:52

do and I forgot to ask. Well, I asked her obviously,

1:33:54

but I just, I didn't ask her that. I

1:33:57

meant to, I really meant to. And then it was just like, you know,

1:33:59

shit got in the way. And then it was like

1:34:01

oh today's the day so I mean it's a little too

1:34:03

late I forgot I didn't have a phone call

1:34:06

I think I asked him later. I was like I asked you

1:34:08

right and he was like no I was like oh wow I

1:34:10

definitely meant it. It's not the end of the world I think

1:34:12

I don't think You're I think you're

1:34:14

definitely overthinking it as you will everything that you're

1:34:16

gonna Like do in the next lead up

1:34:19

to the wedding or you know engagement or

1:34:21

whatever I think it's fine But if you say like

1:34:23

if you think he's gonna say yes like just send

1:34:25

him a text It's totally fine if to get it

1:34:27

off your chest like Especially

1:34:29

especially as like his word doesn't mean that much

1:34:31

to his daughter It sounds like so really like

1:34:33

you're definitely playing with house money, but again. I

1:34:35

forgot and everything was fine and I Think

1:34:39

I think whichever way you do this it'll be it'll be cool

1:34:41

And if you're gonna do it just send the text don't even

1:34:43

worry about it. Don't overthink it I would

1:34:45

have loved to just picture Kyle like in the car You

1:34:48

know 90 minutes out before he's about to ask

1:34:50

the question. He's like tech. Oh sure dad Like

1:34:53

hey, I forgot but it's a big day

1:34:55

you got a second so wait

1:34:57

you send him a text on the way to

1:34:59

no No, I didn't know I didn't that would

1:35:01

be funny if Kyle I would I don't

1:35:03

know if that'd be worse or better How

1:35:05

did it come up like what was the resolution

1:35:08

once you talked about it? I

1:35:10

think I just said it was like I asked you right

1:35:12

and he was like no I think I think this was

1:35:14

like way after actually I mean it can't be way after

1:35:16

we Like yeah,

1:35:18

you know yeah, he was just like no. I don't

1:35:20

remember you asking me I was like oh, okay, but

1:35:22

you know that's traditional wedding stuff is you

1:35:24

know fall by the wayside anyway I'm gonna

1:35:27

say I got that I You know

1:35:29

got a daughter You know changed

1:35:31

man these days as a father I I

1:35:34

think I would like whoever it is to ask

1:35:36

you know if you like to be asked It's

1:35:38

not a deal breaker. It's not a deal breaker, but

1:35:40

I would like to be asked so yeah Like I

1:35:42

don't even think I'm that old school, but you know

1:35:44

it's just a nice thing and hopefully I'm on board

1:35:47

as well I mean I think most of the times

1:35:49

you're asking not because you don't know the answer the

1:35:51

question You're just doing it because it's respectful. I I

1:35:55

asked my Father

1:35:57

and mother-in-law now together because I just kind of

1:35:59

do that the mom would want to be involved and they

1:36:01

were home together. It's also kind of weird too because like, I

1:36:04

don't know that I'd actually like hang out with my father. My father was

1:36:06

a great guy, but like we don't really hang out like, you

1:36:09

know, just the two of us on the side. So for me

1:36:11

to be like, Hey, do you want to do something today would

1:36:13

be a little bit weird. So I just went over their house

1:36:15

afterwards, after work one day and just, I

1:36:17

think I brought flowers over something for the mom and just kind of

1:36:19

asked the question. They also kind of knew what's coming. So

1:36:22

to swing it back to the to the email or though, I think

1:36:25

the safe bet is just to ask the mom what she

1:36:27

thinks your future wife would

1:36:29

want because that's really all that

1:36:31

matters. It doesn't sound like the dad, like you, you

1:36:33

know, if you, if you piss the dad off, it doesn't sound like that many people

1:36:35

are going to be mad on his behalf. So I think

1:36:38

that's the easiest way you would ask the mom if she says,

1:36:40

no, don't worry about it. I would

1:36:42

ask her first and then say, I'm also thinking about asking the

1:36:44

father for permission. What do you think? And if

1:36:46

she says, no, don't worry about it, then I think you're fine. I

1:36:49

think that's the best, most level-headed course of action. I

1:36:51

think that's great, buddy. Did anyone cry? No,

1:36:54

no, we know what's coming. I mean, it's kind of

1:36:56

a button up group. A

1:36:59

couple of things. I think you already answered

1:37:02

your deal if you think about

1:37:04

this because you could not

1:37:06

ask him as some kind of screw

1:37:08

you because of the family history and

1:37:10

the dynamic and all that stuff. But

1:37:12

is that really a win that you want

1:37:15

knowing that it may create a tension that

1:37:17

was super solvable by making a part of

1:37:19

this? Now, if you want to talk

1:37:21

about the parent side of it

1:37:23

with them, realizing like, hey, man, the

1:37:25

mom is far more like

1:37:27

deserving of some act of respect. Can

1:37:30

you go to her and say, look,

1:37:32

I know the dynamic and everything. I'm asking

1:37:34

you first, but I will ask him so

1:37:36

that he knows that he's involved. But I

1:37:39

want you to realize that I'm prioritizing you

1:37:41

here because I think that's important.

1:37:43

So it's a win with her, even more

1:37:45

so. She probably loves you

1:37:47

already. You've been together five years. Everybody knows the plan.

1:37:50

This is fine. I just don't understand the move,

1:37:52

the value of creating future

1:37:56

tension by being

1:37:58

disrespectful the way he... would

1:38:00

perceive it him being this disrespected, even

1:38:02

though you may be justified in doing it

1:38:04

that way. Like you're just going, hey, there's

1:38:06

no existing problem right now. And you

1:38:09

could be creating one by

1:38:11

avoiding doing something that really isn't that hard to

1:38:14

do. You know, this is this is all like

1:38:16

a perception thing. Now you said he drinks a

1:38:18

lot, you could if you wanted to be like,

1:38:20

I asked you dude. Oh

1:38:22

man. Like

1:38:25

what? Like, that was a Wednesday,

1:38:27

brother. And if he drinks that much, you'll probably

1:38:29

be like, oh yeah, yeah, actually, I remember. Yeah,

1:38:31

right. He might be like, oh yeah, yeah, I've

1:38:34

been real busy. I'm sorry. Yeah, that was a

1:38:36

good time. I appreciated you doing that. And you're

1:38:38

like, Oh my God. So I

1:38:40

know that wasn't really nice, but we had to do the

1:38:43

full scope of it all here. I don't

1:38:46

don't create extra problems out of

1:38:48

nothing. Right out of nothing. And

1:38:51

it doesn't seem like even though you don't really love

1:38:55

the full package of this guy. I just

1:38:59

I don't think it's I don't think the payoff

1:39:01

of this the act itself, like there's no real

1:39:03

benefit from it other than you are out. You're

1:39:05

six four, you're 220, you're 31. You've already out